it was never mentioned whether saber is a boy or a girl, however if you play in Japanese you will notice that saber is treated as a girl
you can blame western shitranslation that your dream got crushed
Yeah IMO the jury is still out. People mention pronouns in the bio and the wife, but that's part and parcel for Fate. Raikou's FGO profile explicitly states that "this person was historically a male", like they're breaking the fourth wall, but when we meet her in Heian-kyo she's female. Then you have Artoria who also had a wife and kids despite very clearly being a girl.
I think the writers just enjoy teasing us. It doesn't really matter, Saber in this game seems more like friendship material than anything else.
Raikou was always a girl and there's a very contrived reason why Saber had a kid in Fate (Merlin gave her a dick and then Morgan stole her sperm) but it's a reason nonetheless. Takeru is a man, the game direcly confirms it.
Anon, did you read what I wrote? Yes, Raikou was always a girl, but her profile states that "this character was a male in real life". This means that we cannot necessarily take profiles at face value and just assume everything written is in-universe. And I know OG Seiba's circumstances perfectly well, the point is that having a wife as a woman is not unheard of in the Nasuverse.
For the record, I do agree that it seems entirely reasonable that Takeru is a dude. I just don't think it's 100% confirmed yet.
Raikou got an equally moronic backstory about why she was a woman and it was kept a secret. There's no servant where we didn't know the gender of by the end of the story and there isn't a single yuri couple in the entire Fate franchise. it's a dude.
8 months ago
Anonymous
There's a first time for everything, but all I'm saying is that it's not confirmed yet.
game would have been better with kiyohime
Yeah, some of the servants were a bit of a letdown. As much as I enjoy them, did we really need Cu, Gil and Arjuna in yet another game? At least Raikou got in, we never see her otherwise.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Gil I kinda get, homie's iconic and funny (his fight is absolute bullshit tho) and his secret ending is great
but agree with you on Cu and Arjuna
8 months ago
Anonymous
Don't get me wrong, I like all of them. I just think it would be nice to see some of the hundreds of other servants they've introduced by now. Spread the love a bit, you know?
Arjuna's VA is part of the FGO shill club
That makes sense. I thought he was just one of Nasu's favorites or something.
I wanna see Kagetora and Ryouma ngl
Yeah and perhaps even a semi-serious Nobu. They don't all have to be japanese though.
8 months ago
Anonymous
It's confirmed since the fricking game says it's a dude lol
8 months ago
Anonymous
Arjuna's VA is part of the FGO shill club
8 months ago
Anonymous
You mean Dantes va
8 months ago
Anonymous
I wanna see Kagetora and Ryouma ngl
8 months ago
Anonymous
Nasu said that GudaGuda servants aren't allowed because they're not serious enough
8 months ago
Anonymous
Bruh, is he even aware of type Redline?
8 months ago
Anonymous
yeah really weird that they missed the opportunity to just do gudaguda cast of all jap servants woulda been neat
also what the heck is the deal with the "enemy servants" being given playable movesets but you only get to use them like... once or twice, like that one sequence you play with the chinese archer guy, or maybe two sequences you play as jalter
also why is jalter a lancer and her personality completely different
game was fine overall, but I really wish it had been more like extella where you can really experiment with, familiarize, and level/gear up assorted characters and play with them a lot. Iori's movset and tree is far more complex than any individual in extella, and that's nice and all, but the servant gameplay really felt vestigial and obligatory and an overall afterthought since you only get to play them for like 30 seconds here and there, and are really stingy with saving that filled bar like a consumable in a dark souls game in early game; but in mid-endgame your iori is so fricking OP and you're already muscle memory'd his combos and parries that you don't even want to play as servants because he's better
8 months ago
Anonymous
>also why is jalter a lancer and her personality completely different
I don't play FGO so I don't know the story behind her being, well, whatever she is but the NG+ digression makes it seem like it's just regular Jeanne who became that way due to Chiemon's seething at the time of her summoning
8 months ago
Anonymous
>what the heck is the deal with the "enemy servants" being given playable movesets but you only get to use them like... once or twice
I assume it's for DLC, like an area or abyss or something. >you only get to play them for like 30 seconds here and there
I think the idea was to make them seem more special to avoid the feeling them being just another dude. I don't think it worked that well, but I can appreciate what they were trying to do.
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Definitely seems to be the case. She's just OG Jeanne except sad.
For reference, Jeanne Alter is a huge chuuni tsundere who is really aggressive and loud. Basically the opposite of Jeanne's personality.
It's not Jalter it's regular Jeanne. NG+ has digressions where you play as the enemies PoV and you play them more.
NG+ has more digressions for the enemy teams
ahhhhhh ok fair enough, I haven't done NG+ stuff yet I only beat the game once
8 months ago
Anonymous
NG+ has more digressions for the enemy teams
8 months ago
Anonymous
>what the heck is the deal with the "enemy servants" being given playable movesets but you only get to use them like... once or twice
I assume it's for DLC, like an area or abyss or something. >you only get to play them for like 30 seconds here and there
I think the idea was to make them seem more special to avoid the feeling them being just another dude. I don't think it worked that well, but I can appreciate what they were trying to do.
>also why is jalter a lancer and her personality completely different
I don't play FGO so I don't know the story behind her being, well, whatever she is but the NG+ digression makes it seem like it's just regular Jeanne who became that way due to Chiemon's seething at the time of her summoning
Definitely seems to be the case. She's just OG Jeanne except sad.
For reference, Jeanne Alter is a huge chuuni tsundere who is really aggressive and loud. Basically the opposite of Jeanne's personality.
8 months ago
Anonymous
It's not Jalter it's regular Jeanne. NG+ has digressions where you play as the enemies PoV and you play them more.
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I don't know anything about Fate other than it has top tier girls. Can you please tell me if this is a guy or a girl? I'm seeing mixed responses here.
he is a man with a wife and children
It's a guy https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Yamato_Takeru
He is trap because >In one famous tale, Takeru dressed as a woman to infiltrate a party before killing everyone there
You see, this is why I can't get into fate. It's not just all the gender bending, but also the homosexual and fujo pandering is off the sharts, and the rest of the community actually accepts it.
At least grow some balls and ostrasize the sodomite enablers like every other gacha does
>the homosexual and fujo pandering is off the sharts
Are you moronic? Fate has almost zero fujo pandering compared to similar franchises. It's almost entirely male-gaze.
I have decided to inhale as much copium as humanly fricking possible. Even though Saber's wife shows up in the game, I'm going to go full schizo and delude myself into believing the two have separated considering their current circumstances. So, even though the two were married in their previous life, Saber can now be considered single. Thus I can continue to imagine Iori deep dicking Saber on a nightly basis without anything to interfere with my headcanon.
It's a guy https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Yamato_Takeru
He is trap because >In one famous tale, Takeru dressed as a woman to infiltrate a party before killing everyone there
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Damn it. Why did they design him to look like a cute petite girl?
It's a guy https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Yamato_Takeru
He is trap because >In one famous tale, Takeru dressed as a woman to infiltrate a party before killing everyone there
No idea. The game literally has oni in the game with the translation even calling them onis. For some reason they decided to call her an ogre the entire time.
No idea. The game literally has oni in the game with the translation even calling them onis. For some reason they decided to call her an ogre the entire time.
Translating Oni into Ogre is a pretty common thing. Its not the first time I've seen it happen.
The stupid thing is that the word oni literally gets mentioned multiple times throughout the game.
The game calls the small oni = oni
The game calls the giant red and blue oni - oni
But for some reason Ushi Gozen gets called ogre even though the japanese words are just oni again just like all the other times.
Its Oni in every other case in this game and its Oni in FGO
and an Oni is more of a demon than an ogre, they aren't dumb and they use magic and they can shapeshift
Ogres being stupid is a trait that was grandfathered into public conscience by DnD. The problem with SR is that using Ogre is inconsistent considering that its Oni in literally every other instance except for when he's referring to Ushi.
lol, how new? The first Onimusha game also translated oni to ogre. It's a common convention so as to separate them from demons.
I know you're probably thinking of ogres like in D&D, Warcraft or Shrek, but the fact of the matter is that ogre in western mythology and oni in japanese mythologies are very similar. Oni are traditionally fat giants who eat people and smash thing with clubs. They're essentially like a troll. A lot of anime obviously portray them as super-slick ninja warriors, but there's nothing that says we couldn't do the same with western ogres.
NTA but it really makes no sense how they did it in this game, there are oni enemies that they kept as oni (red oni and blue oni) and other japanese monsters with their own names as well. They only localized Raikou as ogre when they didn't do it for anything else.
>red oni and blue oni
Yeah, that's a fair point. It's inconsistent. Part of me thinks Nasu should have gone with yokai as the general term instead of oni for so many different creatures, but the lines also get blurry between oni, gods and spirits anyway. (Like with Ibuki and Shuten.)
All that being said, I don't mind the ogre translation in a vacuum. They just need to be consistent about it.
3 endings.
You have NG+ which lets you start at chapter 2 and you got the option to skip all previously read scenes. So that run takes only a fraction of the time.
/alter/ are dumbshits who don't even read their FGO servant info.
We know for a fact that Nasu, Higashide and Sakurai only supported the writing process that was being led by KOEIs writing team.
Nasu came up with the general premise and he wrote the character background for Iori. Sakurai worked on the background for Saber and a bunch of other characters - same with Higashide. And the entire rest is all on KOEI with the Typemoon people just making sure its all more or less in line with their worldbuilding.
This game has silly little things like foreshadowing. Sakurai can't foreshadow shit even if her life depended on it. Anyone who played her VNs or the chapters she wrote for FGO should know that there is no way this games story was written by her.
She's listed as co-writer on her usual characters. Sure, the Koei writers did a lot of it, but she's ultimately the one who signed off of it.
Of course, Nasu and Higashide was also involved in the same way.
Honestly FSR is a good formula for a FSN game. Playing as Shirou would be way better than Iori since Shirou can project a shitload of different weapons with different playstyles so being restricted to 1 character wouldn't be such a big deal.
>Playing as Shirou would be way better than Iori since Shirou can project a shitload of different weapons with different playstyles
... and he's only good at one (ONE).
He literally possesses himself with the original wielders abilities. Tracing caliburn would have you fight like Saber. He just holds weapons and lets them fight for him most times except for Kanshou and Bakuya which is all him.
>Shirou can project a shitload of different weapons
He can barely project one in Fate, he masters projection at the very end of UBW, and he literally kills himself just to be able to project twice while using unironic cheats
His father also calls him his son, has a loving wife, and he never corrects anyone on his gender which is marked ? in the guide.
On the other hand I refuse to believe they would make a male Saberface (Arthur doesn't count).
wtf? why does the little sister keep calling him a she and implying he's your girlfriend and he's just okay with that?
Saber is a smug little shit that enjoys fricking with people.
I doubt the hacks that wrote the game actually have good answer for it, but it could be handwaved as him knowing that it'd be easier to take advantage of others if they think he's a girl.
Dude has crosdressed once in the past so they just rolled with it and made him pretty androgynous. Which is also kinda how I figured out his identity, I just looked up the one famous nip sword I could think of, remembered the name from Persona 4 - Naoto's persona to be precise, which was the first strike - looked him up in the MegaTen wiki and saw how his SMTIV (?) version literally just had a skill named Crossdress, kek
One of Takeru's legends is that he dressed up as a maiden to sneak into a bandit camp to kill all the bandits, starting with their leader and taking advantage of the chaos. In one of their flashbacks, you hear that as it happened. Due to their legend involving looking like a woman, they are summoned as a trap, impossible to discern gender is one of their lesser NPs, like how Mordred's helmet makes you unable to discern their identity thanks to an enchantment, Saber's dick is impossible to see unless you already know it's there
Shiro and Artoria aren't there, also Artoria only had a dick that one time, it's not part of their legend so they can't do it again. Only Merlin can create Futanari and he sees them as a mistake
I just finished the prologue and I unlocked my first dissection or whatever its called to go to the big green haired guy and fight him. AM I suppose to do that is it like sidequests or is it a bad thing like will I mess up the story if I do them?
I don't know how long you can delay that one, but there's definitely a break point where you lose it and berserker as an ally. Doing it right as you unlock it is the hardest fight in the game, which isn't saying much since you can cheese it and everything else with enough healing.
The story will often warn you when going further kills digression opportunities. I think their text turns red in the digression menu at that point
You can come back to that first rogue berserker a bit later since that's what I did, but I don't know the exact cutoff point.
my only real issue is that shell gauges are a b***h to break
Wind stance is SHIT. When you aren't able to play as servants, you're much better off buffing your MAT(the stat that actually hurts shells more) and then riposting, valor striking, using certain gem abilities, and using affinity abilities all put enemies in vulnerable states where they take much more shell damage briefly, similar to how they take more damage while glowing green after attacks.
>"this spell makes you better against shells" does shit
Yeah, it and the crit rate up gem abilities I used often doing the first route, but I couldn't really notice a worthwhile difference. It may be a similar placebo, but breaking shells felt a lot better after making an effort to grab all the MAT nodes on the skill tree and upgrading my MAT mounting instead of just focusing on the ATK mounting.
I still don't know what TEC is for. And I'm already at chapter 5. Also, does this game have an ingame material drop list? I wanna farm some late game materials, not really sure which mob drops it. Trying to find the materials for mount upgrades
Probably crit, I don't know either.
You will get some extra hard fights in NG+, they probably drop upgrade materials you don't have yet. You will need to play it to get the true ending, apparently. Fortunately side quest progress gets carried over, you get to start from chapter 2 and the game will tell you when a scene you are trying to skip is new, so it shouldn't be that bad.
I'm looking for Trick Core. I have em, needed like 20 of them still, but I forgot to jot down which monster dropped them.
>Battle > Basic Parameters & Spirit Font Conflicts > Spirit Fonts and Telluric Energy >ATK: The power to crush an enemy's defenses with a weapon. Increases the damage of physical attacks. >DEF: The ability to withstand enemy attacks. Decreases damage taken from opponents. >MAT: The power to crush an enemy's defenses with magecraft. Inceases the damage of spells and elemental attacks. / As MAT increases, the amount of damage dealt to monsters, Servants, and the Shell Gauges of powerful enemies will also increase. >TEC: The ability to act nimbly in battle. Increases the critical hit rate of attacks and the success rate of perfect evasions. It also affects the activation rate of certain skills. A critical hit greatly increases the damage an attack deals.
Under Akasaka's Edo Commission, the reward for slaying a certain monster tells you what material they drop. The description of the monster material itself also hints at it.
I don't think you can find Fox Spirits/Izunas anywhere, but monsters are tied to certain spawn locations, under the "Monster" tab here.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FxIccPMmtRdOmrQmKo2AmQ4tTPE7G1dNyQ1KIHWdPXg/edit?usp=sharing
Oh. So the reward from the bounty is the monster drops. Neato, thanks for the monster list too. Yeah, I think Izunas only spawns during specific story points when there's onmyoujis are involved. Which sucks because I need those Doll Talismans.
Ah, in Chapter 5 (at least for Rat Route) Kanda and Yanagiwara Enbankment will have Mechanical Dolls for Trick Cores.
beat the game, never managed to figure out what the unlock requirements (still say acquisition reqs ???) for water and earth stance final skills, was able to max out fire/wind/void tho
I thought I did everything? the only think I know I didn't do was how early on they were saying there was a rogue berserker digression, but whenever I tried to go to that district there was a popup that was like are you 100% sure you want to do this, they told you to not come back here until doing other quests; is that what those stance full trees was locked behind?
Water Stance needs 11 skills from Rogue Saber. He's only recruited in Rat Route / Fight Tsuchimikado Yasuhiro, and his digression is tied to the Todoroki choice in Ch. 3, so you need to make both those choices in one playthrough.
Earth Stance needs 11 skills from Rogue Berserker. He had 4 Digressions, did you not do them? The first one is beating him very early at Yoshiwara despite how overtuned he is, so he drops a Wakizashi and ties into the next Digressions.
8 months ago
Anonymous
ohhhhhhhhhh ok, didn't see this before I posted;
idk
outside of that one rogue berserker digression which I apparently missed because they game kept telling me to not go there, I did every single digression at first opportunity
at the end had rogue servants; tamamo -functionally my favorite her buff + fire stance claps cheeks
cu
shuwen
circe
arjuna
and unlocked all their related skills (the new spells as well as the get x/y of [name's skills] to unlock assorted nodes needed to max out fire, void, wind trees )
makes sense I guess, I picked to chase assassin versus him and he died offscreen, and yeah I missed rogue berserker because the game kept telling me to not go back there
8 months ago
Anonymous
>The first one is beating him very early at Yoshiwara
This fight is bullshit on Hard. Literally no margins for error, if he grabs you, you're basically dead while literally chipping his shell. Had to drop to normal to maintain my sanity.
8 months ago
Anonymous
You don't have to do it right away though. Digressions only disappear if they're in red text on the map and you progress the main mission. You can level quite a bit beforehand.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I thought that fight was excellent on hard and I'm upset the rest of the game didn't play like that. Game was around a 10/10 for me after beating him, doing quick hit and run attacks after dodging his moves.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>souls veteran when playing any other game
8 months ago
Anonymous
That's my inner Niohgay actually, the fight is basically Shibata Katsuie from Nioh 2, complete with the bullshit OHKO grab and charges. The game legitimately felt like Nioh for that fight, then later on it was more like BotW with dodging into moves to trigger the deflect and then spamming food items. The novelty of the shell mechanic had wore off for me by late game too but during the first fight with Berserker I still liked it.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Let's be fair, Nioh 2 is at a completely different level mechanically. FSR is worthwhile for people into Fate, but otherwise it's just a musou spinoff. That fight in Nioh 2 is not solely about dodging, unlike this game.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, that's true. It was just for that one early fight that it felt like Nioh to me because prenerf Katsuie was the same level of bullshit. I still remember seeing streamers taking 6 hours or more to beat him.
>Battle > Basic Parameters & Spirit Font Conflicts > Spirit Fonts and Telluric Energy >ATK: The power to crush an enemy's defenses with a weapon. Increases the damage of physical attacks. >DEF: The ability to withstand enemy attacks. Decreases damage taken from opponents. >MAT: The power to crush an enemy's defenses with magecraft. Inceases the damage of spells and elemental attacks. / As MAT increases, the amount of damage dealt to monsters, Servants, and the Shell Gauges of powerful enemies will also increase. >TEC: The ability to act nimbly in battle. Increases the critical hit rate of attacks and the success rate of perfect evasions. It also affects the activation rate of certain skills. A critical hit greatly increases the damage an attack deals.
Under Akasaka's Edo Commission, the reward for slaying a certain monster tells you what material they drop. The description of the monster material itself also hints at it.
I don't think you can find Fox Spirits/Izunas anywhere, but monsters are tied to certain spawn locations, under the "Monster" tab here.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FxIccPMmtRdOmrQmKo2AmQ4tTPE7G1dNyQ1KIHWdPXg/edit?usp=sharing
It's hilarious how blatant they are about it. I think she has like 4 different lines in this game that's solely about lusting for little boys and girls.
I think it just adds the amount on top of your stats+mounting stats. So, you have a base 100 ATK, +50 ATK scabbard, with a +22 Strong attack
So you strong or triangle Total damage output is 100+50+22. But your normal or square attack total damage output is 100+50. They really didn't specify whether it is percentage or not.
I didn't feel that way at all. Iori is actually one of the least annoying TM protagonists I've seen. He's got a minimum of teenage angst and is really just a pretty reasonable guy, but also has his special flavor of sword autism that is explored in the final ending.
He doesn't have a savior complex and he's not evil for it's own sake. He's more like a real person with a strong desire.
beat the game, never managed to figure out what the unlock requirements (still say acquisition reqs ???) for water and earth stance final skills, was able to max out fire/wind/void tho
I thought I did everything? the only think I know I didn't do was how early on they were saying there was a rogue berserker digression, but whenever I tried to go to that district there was a popup that was like are you 100% sure you want to do this, they told you to not come back here until doing other quests; is that what those stance full trees was locked behind?
You need to do the other routes and complete all the digressions to unlock the entire skill tree. Some digressions are only available in NG+.
beat the game, never managed to figure out what the unlock requirements (still say acquisition reqs ???) for water and earth stance final skills, was able to max out fire/wind/void tho
I thought I did everything? the only think I know I didn't do was how early on they were saying there was a rogue berserker digression, but whenever I tried to go to that district there was a popup that was like are you 100% sure you want to do this, they told you to not come back here until doing other quests; is that what those stance full trees was locked behind?
Depends on which ones those are, you should at least be able to see the requirements after an entire run. Did you somehow end up not getting some rogue servants or something?
outside of that one rogue berserker digression which I apparently missed because they game kept telling me to not go there, I did every single digression at first opportunity
at the end had rogue servants; tamamo -functionally my favorite her buff + fire stance claps cheeks
cu
shuwen
circe
arjuna
and unlocked all their related skills (the new spells as well as the get x/y of [name's skills] to unlock assorted nodes needed to max out fire, void, wind trees )
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3045193988
You have to mash R3 (press right analog stick in) to find them. Akasaka's also has limited availability, I was screwed until NG+'s.
I just realized, Samson is not in my roster. Frick. It's the only thing that stops me from mastering Earth on my first playthrough. Frick, my OCD is flaring right now.
Those are probably Wind Stance KOs.
If you need KOs, I used the 11~12 gem spells you unlock from Servants to rout the human encounter of 25 enemies in Rakugo Ohashi in the northwest, since they vacuum up everybody. I don't think you can find greater enemy density than that specific spot.
I really liked the fact that later stances is much more violent and strong. Noticed this with Fire Stance. Iori's sword swings sounded so much louder and "harder", Void is just him going full bananas and h-hayai!. I love when games incorporate story elements into gameplay.
Yeah, I really liked how you feel incredibly weak against monsters and servants at the beginning of the game, but then slowly get powerful enough to compete. Humans are fodder for Iori at the start, but this really establishes the difference in ability between heroic spirits and normal people.
I know some people hate that he's able to actually kill servants, but that's just standard Fate all the way from FSN. Nasu hypes people up and then knocks them down. It's the way of things.
I have no idea how they handle this at a quantitative level (combat level? atk level?) but one neat thing along those lines is how with that "rapidly mash X or Y" duel function, how in the beginning you basically instantly lose any of those vs servants, but towards the end you can consistently win em
I have no idea how they handle this at a quantitative level (combat level? atk level?) but one neat thing along those lines is how with that "rapidly mash X or Y" duel function, how in the beginning you basically instantly lose any of those vs servants, but towards the end you can consistently win em
I'm not just saying in terms of strength and him being able to go toe to toe with a servant. I see it as, as Iori strives to get better at swordmanship, the more his true "born in the wrong timeline" nature is revealed. I can't remember which interaction, but I remembered someone pointing out Iori's calm composure is hiding something within and he is not who he is projecting.
why do they say tamamo is not usable in combat but then literally give her character model a sword, cut due to time constraints or something? just very weird
I love this little moron. Also, she's so strong. Why bother bringing a second servant when you can just buff yourself and kill everything single-handedly.
It's so funny when Saber is like LOL IORI SO WEAK in NG+ and she hasn't killed a single enemy because of 20-year old Dynasty Warriors AI.
>drake
her ship >annbonny
(you) >martha
Taresque >medb
everyone but (you) >ozy
his pyramid >quetz
fair >ivan
sure he had a carriage or something >sakamoto
his wife >red hare
well, he is a horse
>Pirates
all ride ships >Medb
rides wieners. Also her NP and Extra attack have her chariot >Quetz
rides that bird thing in Extra attack >Ivan/Red Hare
are the horse
>rider who doesn't ride anything
Name 1 besides Ushiwaka.
Rider often covers Conquerors/Emperors in their class, which is why I always kind of justified Assassins being their weakness
some of those have an explanation as meme-y as they are >drake, anee/mary
Pirate Ship >Martha
Tarrasque >Medb
men lol (not joking) >Ivan, Red Hare
they are their own ride >Sakamoto
his wife
>Boudicca
Chariot in her NP >Marie Antoinette
Horse in her NP >Quetz
Quetzal Bird in Extra attack >Ozymandias
Rides a pyramid into Camelot/Rhongomyniad >Sima Yi
Rides the mercury thing >Habetrot
rides her weird little jet thing >Cinderelliz
Chariot in Extra attack, rides elves too >Bakin
Rides a dog in her NP >Summer Suzuka
Motorcycle
Her senshi bankou shinpen kidoku left a pretty big impression on me when I first read it. I forgot it was in 2 parts, here's someone else's stitch. I wonder what it'd look like colored? The way the characters are written are pretty fun, too.
>For I am... Miyamoto Musashi Shinmen Takezō, Miyamoto Bennosuke Niten Dōraku Shinmen Musashi-no-Kami Fujiwara-no-Harunobu >THE FLOWER AT THE APEX OF HEAVEN
She is so fricking annoying seriously, I hated this character in part 1.5 in FGO (then after that I liked her more as she was less present).
But, oh god, STFU MUSASHIT!
That felt so good to fricking kick her ass though. Very sweet.
You know when something is so extreme in its weebhood that its mere existence just makes normal people recoil in embarrassment? Like they wouldn't want to be associated with that shit even if they were paid to do it because the cringe is just too much?
Just from hearing people talk about her I didn't get it either. But from the time she appears in FGO until where she kills the primodial greek god with one hit, she really wears out her welcome. So while people do appear to overreact, there is a reason for disliking her.
I never played FGO so I had no reason to seethe over her and her inclusion didn't overstay her welcome ,plus the final showdown was fun,tho I wish she said something extra in NG+ about Ioris nature in/before/after the duel
Yeah, while there are people that hated her when she appeared just like any other character, it's the stuff that built up over years that makes it stick around.
She's from a pruned world (Shimousa) but she's also the only Musashi who reached zero or whatever and the CF needed her alive because it knew we would need her to defeat Chaos in Olympus. The reason she goes data lost after Olympus is because she goes back to being pruned after she dies and her purpose is fulfilled.
She's actually not from Shimousa. She's from an undisclosed pruned timeline where she drank from a holy grail giving her the ability to escape her timeline and travel to several paralel realities. Shimousa is where she died for real and became a servant and she keept travelling until her final death.
Which fights did you guys find the hardest? My vote is the fist Rogue Berserker digression and the Shousetsu+Rider fight. The former because it's early game and you're weak as shit, and the latter because they're two people and both are pretty dangerous. (Rider has a lot of strange delayed attacks and her pauldrons act as turrets sometimes. I got off-screen killed a few times.)
the 'double fights' (where you're vs another master and servant) seemed a little tricky at first glance since they also do the combo moves, but if you just focus down the master asap which is easy to do because they don't have the shell gauge then you don't have to worry about that at all and can just parry spam to rapidly break the servant shell gauge, and while the master will revive sometimes if you take a long time? it doesn't happen that often (if it is scripted or if it is due to being too slow in downing the paired servant I am not entirely sure) and fairly inconsequential because you can focus them down fast again
Gil had a lot of HP, but all his attacks are clearly telegraphed and easily avoided. I haven't died a single time against him, but I still agree that he's one of the harder fights.
I didn't have an issue with any other master+servant fight, but Rider can essentially oneshot you if you're not careful while you're trying to burn down Shousetsu, which is what happened to me a couple of times.
fair enough I guess, he's actually the ONLY time I died in my entire playthrough (during his recollection fight because I got too greedy) I just don't like "endurance" battles in games in general, really prefer quicker fights
I'm on the last chapter playing in hardest difficulty. So far, I struggle mainly on fights where you don't play Iori or Saber. Like most of the fights you play as Rogue Saber.
You have limite consummable, you don't really know the movesets of the character you play with (and you are learning the boss' moveset), no NP.. Fricking great.
And Gil's fight was not that hard (the attack patterns can be easily distinguishable), but it's just take very long since he would 2/3 shots me. At least, there was a checkpoint at 50%.
So what's the best stance?
Just to add to what other anons said, I found Earth's parry doing a good chunk of damage on fights. And you can freely switch after that.
The early Berserker fight. Gil I had not that much issue with other than the random chains coming up from the floor, his Gate of Babylons is pretty easy to avoid.. For some reason I died more when I fought against Saber in the Battle recollections than I did against Gil. .
Yeah, the archers are kind of awkward to fight, especially Arjuna since he's just ignoring your attacks and zipping around like a mecha. At least Zhou Yu has the sense to stand still for a bit while attacking.
archers were handled in such a weird way where they were the most annoying to fight because of the ranged stagger, and also not very fun to play as because lock-on just didn't really seem to work, and their ranged stuff did scratch damage vs shields
I don't see the point of using anything but void once you get it. Honestly the stances are kinda underwhelming all around and really not that fun to play, nor different from each other.
They all have their uses, but Void is obviously the best one as long as you don't get hit or have enough food. I think a lot of people dismiss the earlier stances later on without trying them though. Wind is pretty decent for breaking shields late-game. (Of course, you can just perfect dodge or use affinity abilities, but still.)
fire is the best imo, especially if you can get tammamo buff up at the same time
water is best generalist because of how fast the moves are so you can play very reflexively to transition to heavy attack to counter any red glowy enemies and transition to dodge to trigger parries
void is... good for screenclearing trash mobs I guess
I did not like earth or wind much at all
only problem with fire is that it is really tricky to maintain 'low hp' once you take a hit or two, since you really want to be around 30% hp or something, but you don't want to be at a red sliver where you will die in one hit, and most of the foods will overheal you back into 60%+
Why are the endings all so inconclusive?
Even the NG+ ending feels like it's just a setup for a future DLC,doesn't help that it ends the fastest out of all the others
That doesn't answer my question,that's the NG+ ending and it just ends abruptly like the rest ,ffs the shitpost ending where they become Gil's retainers feels less rushed.
It's so funny though. When you fight against the huge oni and he turns into someone twice their size and just awkwardly slaps and stunlocks them into a corner for 30 seconds.
I can appreciate that they didn't just make it into another blast NP.
He was the worst character to play as unless I was doing something wrong. He felt so weak. Saber and Archer felt the best to play as, Archer did some fricking ridiculous damage. Some of the rogues like Circe were surprisingly good to play as too.
I found it funny that early on getting to play as Musashi felt like playing a good version of Iori but by the end of the game, she felt like a shit version of Iori instead.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>I found it funny that early on getting to play as Musashi felt like playing a good version of Iori but by the end of the game, she felt like a shit version of Iori instead.
I had the exact same reaction, tho I hate how the other stances become irrelevant once you unlock Fire and Void stance
I'm kinda expecting that if the DLC adds a new ending or expands on Iori it will maybe have him be able to fight his violent nature, like in chpater 3 where he cut off what he saw as ''excess'
I was expecting her to be the one to teach him new stances, since in the story his master died early and thus didn't impart the knowledge on them to Iori
Despite liking young men, Musashi died a virgin ( in both deaths ) and only ever truly felt love for the FGO protagonist.
Whether you believe it or not this is what's canon to her character.
When approached about her comments she'd go >Huh?! I didn't mean it seriously!
While if she goes for the FGO protagonist, technically a young man I guess:
>iori is a deeply, deeply disturbed man
I mean
in chapter 3 he literally cuts away a piece of his mind/personality he sees as a problem
Dude has a legit mental/personality disorder
>How do you get the True Ending?
NG+,just play the game normally,you can skip cut scenes but some are different which play a role in build up the true ending when you get those cut scenes it will notify you if you try skipping
8 months ago
Anonymous
How different is the True Ending compared to the other ending(s?)
8 months ago
Anonymous
>How different is the True Ending compared to the other ending(s?)
Depressing...
8 months ago
Anonymous
Very
8 months ago
Anonymous
It's kino. It's less flashy but much more personal to the characters involved. I liked all the endings, but this one wraps everything up nicely.
There's only 1 game changing decision in chapter 4 that determines the route you take. There are only 2 endings with one joke ending, and a bad ending you get get on New Game +.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>bad ending
Thats the true ending, only one where Iori is true to himself.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I should've put quotation marks on that. It is quite the kino ending.
8 months ago
Anonymous
It honestly feels more like he let his intrusive thoughts win and went full schizo
Might be misremembering,but doesn't his Bio specifically say it's a mental/personality disorder?
Like the dude legit cut off part of his mind in chapter 3
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Like the dude legit cut off part of his mind in chapter 3
That's just a pretty normal bullshido trope in anime, and part of Musashi's teachings. You try to avoid thinking about irrelevant shit in the middle of combat because it could get you killed. Obviously in Fate it's more mystical, but it's hardly unique to Iori. Munenori in FGO has the same deal.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah but even Saber notices the change instantly when it happens , so I think it was him literally destroying a part of him that kept him from going full sword schizo
8 months ago
Anonymous
Sure, but that's par for the course in Fate. Shioru also has these extreme character developments happen in the span of a few minutes and then suddenly people can "sense" something different about him. Classic anime/manga trope.
But you're right of course, it IS him destroying his own kindness. It's just not that uncommon.
8 months ago
Anonymous
From his flashbacks and what was said in them and his actions in the game before NG+ I think his nature is both kind AND sword schizo, and it's these contrasting desires that both kept him in check along with fricking up his mentality , it's why in chapter 3 in NG+ when he explained that he wasn't kind it didn't really make sense to me as his prior actions wouldn't benefit him in that sense.
Poor dude was born broken and let the intrusive thoughts win
8 months ago
Anonymous
>his prior actions wouldn't benefit him in that sense
I think they mostly would. Being kind to people means they're kind to you. And it usually costs almost nothing. Being kind can sometimes be vital for success.
But yeah, I otherwise agree. He's got multiple sides for sure. In the "true" ending one side takes command, but those are just one part of him.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah he is a schizo and dying fighting against someone like Saber is his best ending, he's either gonna be boring as hell his whole life and die unfulfilled or break and go full murderhobo until he gets put down.
I'm not even sure if i would call Samurai Remnant canon.
It is canon, Nasu said it happens between Shimousa and LB5. Thats why Musashi introduces herselt as Iori in the Las Vegas event.
Yeah, the hat is fun too but she looks great without it. Wish she had a bigger role or that we could see more of her in another game. But she's probably one and done.
i need a route where iori summons rider and shousetsu summons saber
That would be interesting. I think Ushi Gozen would have been fine with Iori's sword saint autism as long as the end result is the true ending. (Unending conflict.) Don't think Shousetsu and Saber would get along immediately, but they're both good people at heart. Hard to say who would win. (Well, whoever is protagonist I guess.)
8 months ago
Anonymous
rogue saber being after iori all game would be interesting too. there's a lot of potential for interesting scenarios with the cast, iori going full murder hobo and allying with chiemon could have been interesting. or iori with caster and caster makes the enemies weak so iori can kill them until he reaches saber at the end who breaks the spell and iori has to battle full strength saber.. plus if iori had caster then all that dumb mind control shit wouldn't have happened and that drastically changes the story.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>iori with caster and caster makes the enemies weak so iori can kill them
Dude, that's actually a great idea.
8 months ago
Anonymous
might actually be the best pair, if the dlc doesn't give us a route like that, i'm gonna be sad. caster can record iori's victories and then immortalize him if they win. it'd actually be a way to canonically get iori into fgo because records of iori's feats would exist and he'd probably have a real bullshit powerlevel because of it so they can continue their iori wank.
8 months ago
Anonymous
The only way to get Iori to F/GO would be to make him a Slider like Musashi or Proto Saber, his timeline got pruned completely and may have even been fictional since Kojiro is part of it.
I am aware that Kojiro appears in F/SN but he is entirely a fake there and only appears due to Medea's blatant rape of every rule she encounters.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Considering he can go toe to toe and even beat servants as a human he would be complete bullshit as a servant
8 months ago
Anonymous
As a huge point of contention, he reached sword saint status by the time he gets Void stance so cutting a spiritcore isn't out of the question.
But Iori has no real wins against any of them without assistance from outside forces. You can do it in gameplay but the story still makes Iori seem pretty average to a point.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>But Iori has no real wins against any of them without assistance from outside forces. You can do it in gameplay but the story still makes Iori seem pretty average to a point.
don't you 1v1 musashi and win? or is the implication that she jobs?
8 months ago
Anonymous
He does but people miss that Musashi's master just burned all her command seals and Musashi was then on borrowed time anyway.
Don't get it wrong, Iori does win that fight legitimately but being a Berserker drains mana fast and Musashi goes all out from the start just shy of using her Noble Phantasm (which Iori has no real defence against).
You can make a lot of arguments about this specific case, it'll cause a great amount of seethe. I don't doubt that Iori can harm Servants but its a stretch to say he can win against one entirely without assistance or another contributing factor.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Musashi's master just burned all her command seals
On Musashi. Also, it's not like Musashi needs the energy, judging by her performance in Olympus before Guda shows up.
I don't get why you guys are so anal about humans destroying servants, it happens all the time in Fate. I know Nasu tends to point out how difficult it is, but that's just the usual bait and switch tactic to hype things up.
Shirou by himself kills like 4 different servants in FSN.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Solid point but if she didn't need the energy why no NP? Holding back is an argument but that's still then a contributing factor to Iori's win.
Its powerlevelgayging I admit and gets nobody anywhere, but sometimes its important to point shit out at times rather than let people overinflate it and cause headswell.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>let people overinflate it
I bet Nasu would enjoy inflating it.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>why no NP?
That's a gameplay thing, enemies are literally incapable of using their NPs in combat unless it's part of the narrative, like with assassin.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>sometimes its important to point shit out at times
We should just accept that the power levels make no difference and that the narrative alone decides who wins and who loses.
Being a rules lawyer when the head honcho throws out the rules in every single thing he writes and makes a thematic point of it in most of his works just makes you a dope.
lol, that's literally my point. Who cares about any of that nonsense? Anyone can beat anyone. Never take anything Nasu says about "rules" seriously. They're there to be broken. Can Shiki kill servants? Of course she can.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I was agreeing.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Sorry then, I misunderstood.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>You can do it in gameplay but the story still makes Iori seem pretty average to a point.
Didn't he solo Musashi? And even before that he reached Void stance so he was almost if not already a sword saint,I don't understand why Saber keeps referring to him as average or weak when everything seems to be pointing towards the opposite gameplay wise and even history/feat wise
8 months ago
Anonymous
See
He does but people miss that Musashi's master just burned all her command seals and Musashi was then on borrowed time anyway.
Don't get it wrong, Iori does win that fight legitimately but being a Berserker drains mana fast and Musashi goes all out from the start just shy of using her Noble Phantasm (which Iori has no real defence against).
You can make a lot of arguments about this specific case, it'll cause a great amount of seethe. I don't doubt that Iori can harm Servants but its a stretch to say he can win against one entirely without assistance or another contributing factor.
I agree that by that point he was a sword saint and could legitimately damage a Servant but damaging is not winning and the only Servant he outright beats in a fight is Musashi.
Who had an external factor already limiting her. Its still a win and an impressive one but not really all that,
I consider most of the game to be a case of gameplay/story segregation. Either Iori is moronicly strong because most players aren't dogshit at games or this botched ritual summed vastly weaker Servants.
But this is a hot debate right now.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>this botched ritual summed vastly weaker Servants
Honestly would be a pretty good excuse why Iori can keep up and even win against servants even as a human , as it's been stated many times how the ritual is just a weak imitation and maybe even whhen the Rogue servants were summoned it diluted the overall servants strength
8 months ago
Anonymous
>teenage ginger schoolboy with crap magic circuits can beat Herc, Gil, Saber Alter and his future superhero self within a couple of weeks of training >swordmaster with magical aptitude who trained under both Musashi and Kojiri in the 1600s couldn't possibly do it without them being nerfed
8 months ago
Anonymous
shirou as a character is fanfic tier of bad writing
8 months ago
Anonymous
Which one has more sword autism?
Shirou or Iori?
8 months ago
Anonymous
Iori, Shirou could feel emotions and love.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Iori, Shirou could feel emotions and love.
Pretty sure Iori also feels those,it's just they are secondary to his sword autism
8 months ago
Anonymous
This is a tough one. Iori is a samurai who lives by the sword, Shirou is literally a sword and dreams about swords nightly
8 months ago
Anonymous
ginger schoolboy with crap magic circuits can beat Herc, Gil, Saber Alter and his future superhero self within a couple of weeks of training
He doesn't beat any of them you lying sack of shit.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>I don't understand why Saber keeps referring to him as average or weak
Saber is just a moron with an OP magical sword. He's strong because he's ancient and his NP is busted, not because she's all that good at swordfighting.
8 months ago
Anonymous
That's not really that out of the ordinary. The servant container sometimes downgrades characters. The real Herc for example would probably be more BS than his servant counterpart. Same with most of the god servants you have in FGO.
Can you change the difficulty? I'm getting filtered on Hard.
I wouldn't bother with the higher difficulties. Nothing is locked behind it and it's literally just raises HP and attack on enemies.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>I wouldn't bother with the higher difficulties. Nothing is locked behind it and it's literally just raises HP and attack on enemies.
Yeah there's no point in playing anything above normal ,you don't get anything and it's just a lazy HP and Damage increase , maybe if the riposte had a bigger window to trigger it would be more fun ,but in group fights you always get side smacked by something
8 months ago
Anonymous
oh this timeline got pruned? rip. i still wanna see the caster/iori team up though. i think that has some high potential to be entertaining regardless.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Since its a pruned timeline you can honestly do whatever you want with it.
Nothing that happens in this timeline has any bearing on any other, it is less than a singulariy and everything within will just continue on unless an outside force intervines.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Pruned Timeline
Lost Belt was a fricking mistake, watch them prune fricking Redline too.
8 months ago
Anonymous
It's just a meme. Outside of Extella and FGO it doesn't really matter. It's more like alternative universes/different routes. Nobody thinks of UBW as a "pruned" timeline just because it's not Heaven's Feel.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Dude, you clearly haven't played enough FGO if you think something that trivial would stop them from including him. If Shiki can get in, Iori can easily too. Fate is 90% rule of cool, any rule can be broken if the writers want it enough.
yeah but he could have 2 riders. seeing raikou and tardmamo fight over him would be cute.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Whenever I hear the Rider class I can't help but imagine the character just giving their summoner a piggyback ride everywhere
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Iskander does while riding a his chariot. >Astolfo tries to but can't lift you. >Bouddicca won't give you a piggyback but instead gives you a lap pillow while fighting Roman Servants.
Bliss.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Astolfo tries to but can't lift you.
Monstrous Strength C- btw
I'm still not sure whether she's completely convinced that she's actually helping out here or if she's just mocking her. This is the kind of Madness Enhancement I can get behind.
How fujobait-y is the game actually? I heard some Fategays complain about how gay the game is, but looking through this thread, it seems like the designated fujobait character actually has a wife. I’m a fujo myself so I’m hoping the wife doesn’t get in the way of my shipping.
There is no shipping and the game isn't very fujo at all, unless you've fused with the goggles anyhow.
Saber is a man but looks like a trap. His wife is a Caster Servant that posesses the MC's little sister. This is entirely irrelevant in two routes.
MC has zero interest in women and is completely obsessed with becoming a master swordsman despite the age for such a thing having long since passed.
The most anyone gets from him is that he calles Saber beautiful at one point but at this moment he is fighting Saber and has gone full tilt sword autsim.
After this he acknowledges Saber as his truest friend and the game ends.
Thank you for the answers. I think for most fujos like me, a close bromance where the MC doesn't show attraction to any women is good enough reason to ship them.
There's a lot of male characters compared to FGO. Saber has a canonical wife, so it's hard to ship him with anyone else, but otherwise it seems fujo-friendly enough. Also, Saber DOES get a bit jealous when the MC heaves attention onto other characters, so I wouldn't call it impossible to ship. Just a reach.
>fujo-friendly enough
All I needed to hear to get me to buy the game. Thank you.
There is no shipping and the game isn't very fujo at all, unless you've fused with the goggles anyhow.
Saber is a man but looks like a trap. His wife is a Caster Servant that posesses the MC's little sister. This is entirely irrelevant in two routes.
MC has zero interest in women and is completely obsessed with becoming a master swordsman despite the age for such a thing having long since passed.
The most anyone gets from him is that he calles Saber beautiful at one point but at this moment he is fighting Saber and has gone full tilt sword autsim.
After this he acknowledges Saber as his truest friend and the game ends.
>His wife is a Caster Servant that posesses the MC's little sister.
I still don't get why this was a thing, you could take it out and nothing would change , her only contribution was healing Iori once and being kidnapped twice
There's a lot of male characters compared to FGO. Saber has a canonical wife, so it's hard to ship him with anyone else, but otherwise it seems fujo-friendly enough. Also, Saber DOES get a bit jealous when the MC heaves attention onto other characters, so I wouldn't call it impossible to ship. Just a reach.
Not very good, it feels like the devs wanted to have a tighter combat system with a much larger focus on reaction and abilities.
But the devs churn out musous and don't really know how to properly make a combat system that isn't a musou.
The result being that the fights are tiny and you have a maybe one enemy that's actually a threat.
Fights against Servants are annoying too, depending on the difficulty. There is some tuning that needs doing here.
But it is perfectly serviceable.
"Advanced" musou-like. (So still pretty simplistic, but satisfying enough.)
Don't buy it for the gameplay though, it's a fanservice game. If you're not into Fate, I doubt you'll enjoy it much.
Its never "confirmed" but in the flashback in Saber's mind his father calls him a dude. Saber's wife shows up and explicitly calls him a dude too.
After that the books continues to call him a "he" so most are inclined to say Saber is a man.
But other people constantly call Saber a girl and he never bothers to correct them, either not caring or being a troll.
>Its never "confirmed" but in the flashback in Saber's mind his father calls him a dude
I assumed that flashback was of his legend/myth and not actually this Saber as a character,because when they show the flashback it's originally some dude but then Sabers likeness gets imposed unto it
>The fight is literally inside Takeru's mind, its not just a flashback but his outright memories. If that isn't hard confirmation that I donno what is.
But during the walk to Saber in the fields one of the dialogue refers to Saber as ''miss' ,but in the next one the father refers to em as ''son''
I don't remember the exact dialogue in his mind. I think it included those bandit shenanigans. Which is part of the character's myth, he infiltrates a bandit camp by crossdressing.
8 months ago
Anonymous
You could easily argue that both ways though. Perhaps he was just a crossdressing girl for his entire career, just like OG Seiba.
Saber is considered a male in terms of the actual history but is indifferent to all the times he gets called a beautiful woman or the occasional jabs where folks think he's Iori's GF. In other words, it's best to think like Saber and just not give a damn, cute is cute.
>Tsukihime is pretty good. >Plus Disc is good for what it is. >Kagetsu Tohya has problems but was overall worthwhile. >Hollow Ataraxia has too many scenes, but is otherwise good. >Witch on the Holy Night is good. >Tsukihime remake is good. >Even some of the Melty Blood original stuff is good.
>has too many scenes, but is otherwise good.
Bazzet and Avenger's story is good, and a bunch of the Fuyuki scenes build on the ideas presented in it. A bunch of characters who got the shaft in Stay Night also get focus here, and their stuff is mostly good as well.
>Stay Night is ass.
sparks liner high is the most kino thing nasu has written and simply elevates FSN into pure godly literature by virtue of having it in there
nta but re:extella(s)
plot is incoherent but gameplay is quite fun, you actually get to use a lot of different servants with varying movesets and playstyles (none as deep as iori) for a lot of standard musou battles
Extella plot is cool IMO, but the gameplay is rather dull. It's just musou except with robots instead of actual people.
Basically the opposite of this guy's opinion lol
nta but re:extella(s)
plot is incoherent but gameplay is quite fun, you actually get to use a lot of different servants with varying movesets and playstyles (none as deep as iori) for a lot of standard musou battles
idk maybe because I just didn't play CCC or read whatever VN that gives any background, I just found the setting/premise with the weird moon-matrix or whatever to be incredibly confusing. But it leaned into the musou bit; I just really considered it more of a fate-flavored senran kagura game, and I'm a weirdo who actually likes those for gameplay versus plot (not to be confused with PLOT in the sk games which I do quite enjoy)
8 months ago
Anonymous
Extella built around a real world instead of the moon matrix shit would have been so cool.
The difference is that the author is so insistent about the rules in the Nasuverse, even though they ALWAYS end up losing to exceptions within exceptions. >You dodged my undodgeable strike!
Being a rules lawyer when the head honcho throws out the rules in every single thing he writes and makes a thematic point of it in most of his works just makes you a dope.
mainline canonically speaking has anyone ever "won" a grail war or is it every time the thing needs to get destroyed for the greater good or whatever by t3h protagonist
you know what I mean; in any official fate franchise media property, where there's a grail war involved, like say fsn, fz, fapoc, this
seems like there's always some asspull reason nobody ever wins and gets their reality altering wish; which is reasonable for a vertical slice of fiction in a media franchise; but then you wonder why "in-universe" people even want to have these if apparently the implications of someone winning one and getting what they want is so world shattering that it always needs to be stopped, why do these people in-universe even know about this or think it'll work when they're not all living under immortal overlord from 5000 years ago who won one etc...
>fsn, fz, fapoc, this
Most of those are in different timelines or the facts are obscured so people don't really know what happened. And the idea is getting a wish granted is too enticing for people to pass up, no matter how much of a bad idea it seems like.
>then you wonder why "in-universe" people even want to have these if apparently the implications of someone winning one and getting what they want is so world shattering that it always needs to be stopped, why do these people in-universe even know about this or think it'll work when they're not all living under immortal overlord from 5000 years ago who won one etc...
Because they are a sham designed to bring in morons as masters that summon a servant which will be sacrificed to have enough energy so the guys who started the HGW can reclaim the Third Magic
The wish was always a scam and never real, the grail ends up destroyed because the MCs find out the truth.
Not really the case in this game though. Iori has no idea what's going to happen, he's just "frick the grail, shit's evil" with no real evidence aside from monsters spawning. Well, except for one ending.
Iori is just autistic and doesn't want to cheat on his way to being lord of the sword. The ritual already gave him his wish, same with Saber, so they had no use for it. Might as well just get rid of it then. Even in that one ending, his use is to just leave it as it is so people come fight him for it.
Yeah, it's pretty much always shenanigans that prevent it from being won the "normal" way. Apocrypha is probably the closest you get to normal, but even that ends the same way.
I think the moral of the story is supposed to be "black magic evil, just bee urself :^)" FGO has almost no actual grail wars, but the protagonist gets to nab all the grails.
yeah I kinda wanted to do kiyolancer too but she's at 100 b11 np2, and I'd need like 100 more servantcoin which is going to take literal years to hit bond15 or wait for some other rateup
the coin bottleneck is really the most annoying thing, the QP and embers aren't that bad esp with the 5* embers and just waiting for 2/+ succ periods
Yeah, the coins are very annoying. Same situation with Lancer Raikou now that I think about it. (And I also need more coins for Raikou Prime if I want to get the append skill to loop with her in 2 years time.)
idk maybe because I just didn't play CCC or read whatever VN that gives any background, I just found the setting/premise with the weird moon-matrix or whatever to be incredibly confusing. But it leaned into the musou bit; I just really considered it more of a fate-flavored senran kagura game, and I'm a weirdo who actually likes those for gameplay versus plot (not to be confused with PLOT in the sk games which I do quite enjoy)
Oh yeah, it's a very strange setting for sure. I don't really like the world-building per se, but the whole thing with Velber and the characters are good IMO. (I liked Altera.)
Total respect for your taste btw, I thought the gameplay was serviceable too. I just would have liked more variety.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah the plot itself was a fun little story with some cute character interactions and reasonably memorable (the same I cannot say for extella 2, I dont remember what the frick that game was about), extella actually motivated me to buy sq to pull for tamamo and she was the first 5* on my acct back in 2017
he's just poorly written >goes out of his way to tell Takeru to hold back so people won't be killed or affected by the WMR >inner thoughts are all about keeping the peace >game hints that he actually really wants to keep fighting stronger people to perfect his blade which is fine >cue entreat the darkness >outright says the nice guy attitude is just an act (please forget his inner thoughts up until this point) and the only thing he cares for is his sword autism >says he only lives a normal life because he wants to know how to kill normal people (???) and that will somehow make his blade stronger >character is now a complete mess, his sword autism at odds with wanting to kill normal civilians since doing that won't make him stronger
If they wrote out the parts where he tells Saber to be mindful of damage and didn't show his inner thoughts the way they did, he would be a better murderhobo, as he is now he's just a ball of contradictions
that and him learning to do Tsubame Gaeshi (with two swords at that) in a couple of years because please clap
>as he is now he's just a ball of contradictions
Yeah that's the point, his nature is both kind and a sword schizo,think his bio even mentions it's a personality disorder
I don't think he's poorly written,it's just that it's poorly executed and paced , if we saw more snippets of is descent into sword schizo and the degradation of hid kindness due to the constant fighting he was punt into it would be a lot better,but instead we get everything at once along with a shitty explanation of never being kind at all
>his nature is both kind and a sword schiz
no, he literally says that his kindness is an act
either give him a conflict in entreat the darkness if the kindness is the real thing or write him as pragmatically as possible without giving the game away
>he literally says that his kindness is an act
and he says that after literally cutting away a part of his mind he sees as ''excess'' to fulfilling his sword autism
8 months ago
Anonymous
that's worse, they're just rushing to get the ending they want
8 months ago
Anonymous
wait when did that happen
8 months ago
Anonymous
NG+ chapter 3 after he fights his mental self, in NG it's where you get the wind stance I think
8 months ago
Anonymous
But then this line makes no sense
Hell, the whole manifesto makes no sense
8 months ago
Anonymous
That anon is wrong, it's Saber who thinks he was kind and Iori corrects him right after.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>nonsensical character if he was truly kind >nonsensical character if it was just an act
Quite impressive how they botched it honestly
8 months ago
Anonymous
How is he nonsensical
8 months ago
Anonymous
It's already been explained >if the kindness is real he shows no conflict and this line
But then this line makes no sense
Hell, the whole manifesto makes no sense ensures that it couldn't have been real >if the kindness isn't real then his actions and inner thoughts through the game betray the narrative presented by Entreat the Darkness
8 months ago
Anonymous
And this is literally after fighting his mind in order to cut away anything he dubbed as ''excess'',is it really that hard to understand that his kindness was what was keeping him from going full sword schizo and only after cutting it away he doesn't have anything holding him back anymore
8 months ago
Anonymous
Because the convo literally goes >you shouldn't cut your kindness away >actually I was never kind
8 months ago
Anonymous
>you shouldn't cut your kindness away >actually I was never kind
He says after cutting it away
8 months ago
Anonymous
That's already contradictory, unless you mean to tell me "actually he killed his own kindness and then his brain automatically rewired all of his actions and justified them with complete nonsense" which is still shit writing
8 months ago
Anonymous
>rewired all of his actions and justified them
That's literally it ,the idea itself isn't the problem it's the pacing of it ,we get hit with all of it at once in chapter 3 NG+ instead do it being spread around and his gradual descent into full sword autism and throwing away his kindness
People seem to forget we're dealing a dude with mental issues who's nature and desires are at odds with each others , even old Musashi in the flashback when Iori was still just a kid mentions how he was kind but was born in the wrong age , and call me crazy,but i think Musashi would be able to tell if some kid was bullshitting him and putting on a mask
8 months ago
Anonymous
And that's shit writing and still contradicts his actions, inner thoughts and even gameplay
Hell he still gets healed by petting cats and dogs for frick's sake
And to top it all off those three lines are still complete nonsense, "living with people to understand how to kill them", fricking really?
You're a swordsman, you know how, you've known how since you picked up a blade, there's simply no way
It's paced like shit, executed like shit and doesn't hold up when analyzed so it's also written like shit
8 months ago
Anonymous
>"living with people to understand how to kill them", fricking really?
You must be new to japanese fiction. You know how they always go on about "killing intent" and whatnot? That's part of the same thing, using your empathy or mystical senses to anticipate attacks before they happen and counter-react. It's obviously a bunch of nonsense, but it's a very common trope.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Oh yeah because helping Takeda find an item is gonna help him detect killing intent
8 months ago
Anonymous
>and call me crazy,but i think Musashi would be able to tell if some kid was bullshitting him and putting on a mask
I mean everyone else did, including his alternate version, we're just piling on the faults of the writing at this point
Honestly I think you're trying to write for the game here and your effort is commendable but that's not what we got
8 months ago
Anonymous
But they hint at it all the fricking time? The fricking opening dialogue literally says that Iori was born in the wrong era. Did you skip all the fricking dialogue
8 months ago
Anonymous
>"he wants to fight to perfect his blade" is what we hinted through the game so obviously this means "Iori wants to kill civilians who won't put up a fight"
8 months ago
Anonymous
He wants conflict, it's shown in-game that he enjoys fighting strong opponents but if there are none he'd probably start killing random people. Living on a time of peace is the worst for him.
8 months ago
Anonymous
He literally turns down an offer to join a war from the chinese guy.
8 months ago
Anonymous
to be fair, he wants to kill people.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Heh I get it because chinks aren't humans
8 months ago
Anonymous
>but if there are none he'd probably start killing random people
No, he outright says he only lives with them to know "how to best cut them down"
But then this line makes no sense
Hell, the whole manifesto makes no sense
So it's something that he actually thinks will perfect his blade
And if he only enjoys the conflict, then there is zero reason to care about them living or dying during the WMR which is not what happens
8 months ago
Anonymous
Are you for real? Why do you think both male Musashi and fem Musashi keep saying he was born in the wrong era? And they keep hinting that something is wrong with him all the time even on the first playthrough.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>"he wants to fight to perfect his blade" is what we hinted through the game so obviously this means "Iori wants to kill civilians who won't put up a fight"
8 months ago
Anonymous
Dude, people are not perfectly introspective. If someone cuts away their inner kindness, they would rationalize that they were never kind. Do you have some form of legit autism? This is pretty basic human psychology here.
I understand that you would call this "shit writing", but to me it's the exact opposite. People are not 100% rational and aware of themselves. That's the entire point of that sequence, and why Saber is visibly disturbed. Iori is losing himself.
Also, this sort of thinking was always part of Iori. That's the point of his backstory, being traumatized by having his entire family killed and then witnessing Musashi come in and slice everyone down. He's obsessed with getting to that level, at any cost. But then he learned some kindness along the way, mostly through his sister. And that's the part he decides to leave behind. So when he says that "he was never kind", he's referring to how it was always his goal to become a sword saint. Kindness was a distraction to that, hence why he cut it out.
Anyway, your take is just kind of small-brained, I'm sorry. Fate is not peak writing and I have no issue admitting that the story is far from perfect, but this little thing I see no problem with.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>That's the entire point of that sequence, and why Saber is visibly disturbed.
Iori literally says "you don't seem surprised" in the ending
8 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, in the ending. The moment we're talking about is exactly after he cut out his kindness, which is much earlier. The whole scene is rather chilling with tense music playing. Saber looks visibly disturbed. And that's why she knows what his plan is in the final ending, because she saw signs of it much earlier.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Then there is no point in his manifesto because Saber already knows or even getting the option to not destroy the grail
If anything Saber should have raised his sword the moment they got close to the grail
8 months ago
Anonymous
>If someone cuts away their inner kindness, they would rationalize that they were never kind
In that case just "cut down the civilians" like you said you wanted to
You are no longer kind, why keep wearing the mask from that point on
Why deny Zheng's proposals
Why act the way you did after that, what is the point
8 months ago
Anonymous
>In that case just "cut down the civilians" like you said you wanted to
There's no purpose in cutting down civilians. He doesn't want to do that because it would do nothing but bring the law down on his head. He wouldn't learn anything from it. He literally just wants to get as strong as possible, how is this so difficult to understand? >Why deny Zheng's proposals
Because he doesn't believe fighting in a war would be the best way to learn? Unrealistic perhaps, but Iori and Musashi are primarily duelists, not soldiers.
8 months ago
Anonymous
And that's what people are complaining about , it doesn't make sense because we see the whole game from Ioris POV and even hear his thoughts
From Iori's point of view, fighting in the war would be to help Zheng win it and reestablish the Ming dynasty. But Iori doesn't care about any of that, he just wants to become the best there ever was at sword-swinging and care for his half-sister. War isn't really that conducive to dueling.
At least, that's my take on it. Musashi did take part in the Sengoku Jidai, but that was when he was young. His dueling tenure came in the unstable immediate aftermath. Things were calming down around Iori's time.
Speaking of stances
Is it just me ,or are the other stances kinda pointless after you get fire and void stances?
hell they even compliment each other due to the high and low HP requirements for each
The problem seems to be that iori is far more emotionally disturbed than even shirou, but ironically shirou's inner thoughts were more disturbing most of the time. Shirou's character and mental illness was set up properly basically from the very start.
Tbh how does the gameplay even work? Lol. I've been abusing Saber's KAMEHAMEHA and void stance but I legit don't understand WHEN I get afterglow and when to switch stances. (wind seems hella useless to me tbh and fire and void are too contradictory so I just swap between void and water)
Fate has conditioned me to not care about endings ever since CCC told me that Extra didn't matter, so I will get the good ending and then not care anymore
>Earth Stance
Something you use before getting Wind Stance >Water Stance
The other thing you use before getting Wind Stance >Wind Stance
The thing you use before getting the Fire Stance >Fire Stance
The thing you use before getting Void stance - And the thing that you use when your HP gets low and you SOMEHOW run out of food heals >Void stance
The thing you will use for 70+% of the game
Special Attacks? Just pick the one that clean up the trash quickly like Sabers water wave or those that can quickly decimate the shield bars.
Gems? Exclusively used for those big potent fire attacks that stagger everyone. Later also a good way to break the shield bars.
The moves Iori learns from the Rogue Servants? Good for trash cleanup - That's about it.
Damn. I think Extella got better gameplay and that was kinda trash. Idk how I feel about the game so far. Gameplay just feels unsatisfying until now because almost all the enemies have superarmor.
So when the hell do you use afterglow? How do you even know you have it? The particle effects that you can barely fricking see? Who the frick designed this game?
I swear people here lack reading comprehension, because obviously Iori being inted at wanting to perfect is swordsmanship means he wants to go full murder hobo and kill civilians because that somehow will improve it , let's ignore the fact he refused Zhengs offer to leave with him to China where a literal war was going on and would give him what he wants
He doesn't wanna murder civilians. Murdering people who pose no threat to him is a waste of time. He wants to keep the fake grail around in order to attract powerful opponents who will attempt to steal it from him.
That's also the reason why he isn't going to China. He wants to remain part of the war there after being impressed by the power of servants. His goal is perfecting his swordsmanship and that is only possible if he fights the strongest opponents possible again and again. Something a war or slaughtering random civis could never do.
This would only make sense if he had the wish to keep the ritual war going before he was even asked to join Zheng in China, which if i remember he was asked in chapter 2 but his wish to keep the war going forever was in chapter 4
At that point he still didn't get rid of his "emotions".
But when Zheng later asks him again he refuses again and at that point he already had questioned himself multiple times. We can't say for sure when exactly he started playing with the idea of just keeping the grail war going forever.
>At that point he still didn't get rid of his "emotions".
Ahh right that's NG+ chapter 3, in NG it still made sense for him to refuse as he didn't want to be part of that bloodshed along with wanting the ritual to stop as he deemed it evil , but looking back on it now I feel like he called it evil because it was tempting him and he succumbed to it in NG+
>He doesn't wanna murder civilians. Murdering people who pose no threat to him is a waste of time. >"I've lived a righteous life in order to understand the people of this tranquil world." >"That I might understand how they feel, how they think..." >"...and through that understanding, how to best cut them down."
Totally doesn't want to kill civilians, no.
The time spent trying to understand them? Also not a waste of time.
You assume people means literally everyone. But it is true that he spends time with people to know them because he needs the feel to be able to murder them at any given moment if needed.
>You assume people means literally everyone
I don't see him spending time with Soldiers
Ruffians
Thieves
Law enforcement
All he ever does is menial odd jobs for the commonfolk and pet cats and dogs, AKA "people of this tranquil world"
>He doesn't wanna murder civilians
Then how does this make any sense? Most of the time he would only be interacting with civilians for prolonged periods of time and the only time he would have to use his sword to fight would be on random ronin or troublemakers with his part time job with the constable ,people he doesn't learn anything since he;'s already cutting them up
If Iori was some spy behind enemy lines with unknown people in unknown territory then i can understand this mindset ,but he's not
Are you illiterate? He wants to understand people so he knows how to defeat them. (In general.) There's nothing about wanting to massacre civilians. That's just something you inferred.
>character drawn like a girl, people reference her as a girl, it's actually a boy >character drawn like a girl, people reference her as a boy, it's actually a girl >character drawn like a girl, people reference her as a boy, it's actually a boy
Wtf
tfw i get to enjoy his bussy
(i'm literally iori)
it was never mentioned whether saber is a boy or a girl, however if you play in Japanese you will notice that saber is treated as a girl
you can blame western shitranslation that your dream got crushed
You don't speak japanese
Yeah IMO the jury is still out. People mention pronouns in the bio and the wife, but that's part and parcel for Fate. Raikou's FGO profile explicitly states that "this person was historically a male", like they're breaking the fourth wall, but when we meet her in Heian-kyo she's female. Then you have Artoria who also had a wife and kids despite very clearly being a girl.
I think the writers just enjoy teasing us. It doesn't really matter, Saber in this game seems more like friendship material than anything else.
Raikou was always a girl and there's a very contrived reason why Saber had a kid in Fate (Merlin gave her a dick and then Morgan stole her sperm) but it's a reason nonetheless. Takeru is a man, the game direcly confirms it.
Anon, did you read what I wrote? Yes, Raikou was always a girl, but her profile states that "this character was a male in real life". This means that we cannot necessarily take profiles at face value and just assume everything written is in-universe. And I know OG Seiba's circumstances perfectly well, the point is that having a wife as a woman is not unheard of in the Nasuverse.
For the record, I do agree that it seems entirely reasonable that Takeru is a dude. I just don't think it's 100% confirmed yet.
Raikou got an equally moronic backstory about why she was a woman and it was kept a secret. There's no servant where we didn't know the gender of by the end of the story and there isn't a single yuri couple in the entire Fate franchise. it's a dude.
There's a first time for everything, but all I'm saying is that it's not confirmed yet.
Yeah, some of the servants were a bit of a letdown. As much as I enjoy them, did we really need Cu, Gil and Arjuna in yet another game? At least Raikou got in, we never see her otherwise.
Gil I kinda get, homie's iconic and funny (his fight is absolute bullshit tho) and his secret ending is great
but agree with you on Cu and Arjuna
Don't get me wrong, I like all of them. I just think it would be nice to see some of the hundreds of other servants they've introduced by now. Spread the love a bit, you know?
That makes sense. I thought he was just one of Nasu's favorites or something.
Yeah and perhaps even a semi-serious Nobu. They don't all have to be japanese though.
It's confirmed since the fricking game says it's a dude lol
Arjuna's VA is part of the FGO shill club
You mean Dantes va
I wanna see Kagetora and Ryouma ngl
Nasu said that GudaGuda servants aren't allowed because they're not serious enough
Bruh, is he even aware of type Redline?
yeah really weird that they missed the opportunity to just do gudaguda cast of all jap servants woulda been neat
also what the heck is the deal with the "enemy servants" being given playable movesets but you only get to use them like... once or twice, like that one sequence you play with the chinese archer guy, or maybe two sequences you play as jalter
also why is jalter a lancer and her personality completely different
game was fine overall, but I really wish it had been more like extella where you can really experiment with, familiarize, and level/gear up assorted characters and play with them a lot. Iori's movset and tree is far more complex than any individual in extella, and that's nice and all, but the servant gameplay really felt vestigial and obligatory and an overall afterthought since you only get to play them for like 30 seconds here and there, and are really stingy with saving that filled bar like a consumable in a dark souls game in early game; but in mid-endgame your iori is so fricking OP and you're already muscle memory'd his combos and parries that you don't even want to play as servants because he's better
>also why is jalter a lancer and her personality completely different
I don't play FGO so I don't know the story behind her being, well, whatever she is but the NG+ digression makes it seem like it's just regular Jeanne who became that way due to Chiemon's seething at the time of her summoning
ahhhhhh ok fair enough, I haven't done NG+ stuff yet I only beat the game once
NG+ has more digressions for the enemy teams
>what the heck is the deal with the "enemy servants" being given playable movesets but you only get to use them like... once or twice
I assume it's for DLC, like an area or abyss or something.
>you only get to play them for like 30 seconds here and there
I think the idea was to make them seem more special to avoid the feeling them being just another dude. I don't think it worked that well, but I can appreciate what they were trying to do.
Definitely seems to be the case. She's just OG Jeanne except sad.
For reference, Jeanne Alter is a huge chuuni tsundere who is really aggressive and loud. Basically the opposite of Jeanne's personality.
It's not Jalter it's regular Jeanne. NG+ has digressions where you play as the enemies PoV and you play them more.
You wouldn't be able to handle it.
You see, this is why I can't get into fate. It's not just all the gender bending, but also the homosexual and fujo pandering is off the sharts, and the rest of the community actually accepts it.
At least grow some balls and ostrasize the sodomite enablers like every other gacha does
kys moron
>the homosexual and fujo pandering is off the sharts
Are you moronic? Fate has almost zero fujo pandering compared to similar franchises. It's almost entirely male-gaze.
that is SHE, my WIFE
Built for prone bone
You mean mating press
You can't mate with a butt anon.
Obviously you're not trying hard enough
I have decided to inhale as much copium as humanly fricking possible. Even though Saber's wife shows up in the game, I'm going to go full schizo and delude myself into believing the two have separated considering their current circumstances. So, even though the two were married in their previous life, Saber can now be considered single. Thus I can continue to imagine Iori deep dicking Saber on a nightly basis without anything to interfere with my headcanon.
This must be how it feels to have a tulpa.
This like Artoria having a child called Mordred. Don't worry.
I don't know anything about Fate other than it has top tier girls. Can you please tell me if this is a guy or a girl? I'm seeing mixed responses here.
he is a man with a wife and children
Damn it. Why did they design him to look like a cute petite girl?
Because its funny
That's obviously a girl. She looks just like Artoria but black hair lol.
Even Ilya has more chest
>draws it a girl, calls it a boy
A tale as old as time
Sorry that you are gay anon
It's a guy https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Yamato_Takeru
He is trap because
>In one famous tale, Takeru dressed as a woman to infiltrate a party before killing everyone there
saber with black hair is cuter than the blonde sabers
Iori is born in the wrong age. Truly a Samurai Remnant
Seems good but I am not paying
>£55
for it, looking forward to the inevitable 3 month sale.
Just KOEI pricing for you. Shits stupid.
But atleast the game is also fairly long with around 50 hours.
So is Yui a real female woman or very feminine looking man?
Yui is female
yui is best boygirl.
is there a fate game where you can frick the servants
Anon there are infinite doujin for that
Anon why do you think the original 2 VNs are 18+
vns are not games
stupid
It's called Fate/Stay Night.
visual novels arent vidya you moron
You're objectively wrong.
fate hollow ataraxia
you get bone rider
fate stay night
you get to bone rider
frotting with yui
Nasu said that the original FSN is a boy meets girl story and that he wanted SR to be about Saber and Iori being best buddies.
No sexo here.
>localizing oni as ogre
why
it's ogre
No idea. The game literally has oni in the game with the translation even calling them onis. For some reason they decided to call her an ogre the entire time.
how can i turn her into my loving mum?
She is literally the evil schizo demon side of Raikou. No mommy there.
But Raikou is already a schizo???
Translating Oni into Ogre is a pretty common thing. Its not the first time I've seen it happen.
The stupid thing is that the word oni literally gets mentioned multiple times throughout the game.
The game calls the small oni = oni
The game calls the giant red and blue oni - oni
But for some reason Ushi Gozen gets called ogre even though the japanese words are just oni again just like all the other times.
Its Oni in every other case in this game and its Oni in FGO
and an Oni is more of a demon than an ogre, they aren't dumb and they use magic and they can shapeshift
Ogres being stupid is a trait that was grandfathered into public conscience by DnD. The problem with SR is that using Ogre is inconsistent considering that its Oni in literally every other instance except for when he's referring to Ushi.
It's a pretty common MISTAKE
lol, how new? The first Onimusha game also translated oni to ogre. It's a common convention so as to separate them from demons.
I know you're probably thinking of ogres like in D&D, Warcraft or Shrek, but the fact of the matter is that ogre in western mythology and oni in japanese mythologies are very similar. Oni are traditionally fat giants who eat people and smash thing with clubs. They're essentially like a troll. A lot of anime obviously portray them as super-slick ninja warriors, but there's nothing that says we couldn't do the same with western ogres.
Onimusha was the first thing on my mind too when the morons were complaining about ogres.
NTA but it really makes no sense how they did it in this game, there are oni enemies that they kept as oni (red oni and blue oni) and other japanese monsters with their own names as well. They only localized Raikou as ogre when they didn't do it for anything else.
>red oni and blue oni
Yeah, that's a fair point. It's inconsistent. Part of me thinks Nasu should have gone with yokai as the general term instead of oni for so many different creatures, but the lines also get blurry between oni, gods and spirits anyway. (Like with Ibuki and Shuten.)
All that being said, I don't mind the ogre translation in a vacuum. They just need to be consistent about it.
If we're being fair, it's because in ye olden days Ogre/Goblin/Orc/Troll seemed to basically be used at random to describe vaguely magical and evil.
They're not actually real, so it makes sense that descriptions and definitions are all over the place.
My go-to coomer servants are Lancer Artoria, MHXX and BB.
Well yeah, just saying that our modern understanding of what those are somewhat muddled.
How long is samurai remnant? not completionism. It needs to be atleast 25 hours if im gonn abuy.
40-50 hours or so depending on how hard you go on the side content
The first ending should take around 30/35 hours.
First ending? how many total endings are there and do I have to replay each time or what?
Two endings on first playthrough, one ending you can only get in NG+. NG+ ending mogs the other two pretty hard though.
3 endings.
You have NG+ which lets you start at chapter 2 and you got the option to skip all previously read scenes. So that run takes only a fraction of the time.
I spent 60 hours to clear all the endings. (Skipped all the repeat dialogue.) Got all but 3 achievements in the process.
Staynights 20th anniversary is in 3 months, I'm exciting for the staynight remake RPG in 3d they will announce.
The only good post in this sakurai shit game thread.
Sakurai didn't write this game though
Yes he did, thats what /alter/ told me.
/alter/ are dumbshits who don't even read their FGO servant info.
We know for a fact that Nasu, Higashide and Sakurai only supported the writing process that was being led by KOEIs writing team.
Nasu came up with the general premise and he wrote the character background for Iori. Sakurai worked on the background for Saber and a bunch of other characters - same with Higashide. And the entire rest is all on KOEI with the Typemoon people just making sure its all more or less in line with their worldbuilding.
This game has silly little things like foreshadowing. Sakurai can't foreshadow shit even if her life depended on it. Anyone who played her VNs or the chapters she wrote for FGO should know that there is no way this games story was written by her.
She's listed as co-writer on her usual characters. Sure, the Koei writers did a lot of it, but she's ultimately the one who signed off of it.
Of course, Nasu and Higashide was also involved in the same way.
Sakurai is a woman.
Maybe they'll remake the VN like Tsukihime, kinda weird its the only one that hasn't been ported to the west even though it's the most popular one.
>kinda weird its the only one that hasn't been ported to the west even though it's the most popular one
they're definitely saving it for the anni that's about to come up. Alberts furiously typing up the translation as we speak.
They'll just port it with some updates like Mahoyo.
Honestly FSR is a good formula for a FSN game. Playing as Shirou would be way better than Iori since Shirou can project a shitload of different weapons with different playstyles so being restricted to 1 character wouldn't be such a big deal.
>Playing as Shirou would be way better than Iori since Shirou can project a shitload of different weapons with different playstyles
... and he's only good at one (ONE).
He literally possesses himself with the original wielders abilities. Tracing caliburn would have you fight like Saber. He just holds weapons and lets them fight for him most times except for Kanshou and Bakuya which is all him.
>Shirou can project a shitload of different weapons
He can barely project one in Fate, he masters projection at the very end of UBW, and he literally kills himself just to be able to project twice while using unironic cheats
>and he literally kills himself just to be able to project twice while using unironic cheats
in Heaven's Feel*
What's his problem?
Born in the wrong age. He is a samurai brain stuck in the age of peace and prosperity.
All Nasu protagonists have some form of sword autism.
I cannot tell whether Saber (Japan) is a boy or a girl.
I mean she's called a girl multiple times. Did you play the game?
His father also calls him his son, has a loving wife, and he never corrects anyone on his gender which is marked ? in the guide.
On the other hand I refuse to believe they would make a male Saberface (Arthur doesn't count).
Saber is a smug little shit that enjoys fricking with people.
Literally a married man.
wtf? why does the little sister keep calling him a she and implying he's your girlfriend and he's just okay with that?
He's just trolling
I doubt the hacks that wrote the game actually have good answer for it, but it could be handwaved as him knowing that it'd be easier to take advantage of others if they think he's a girl.
Dude has crosdressed once in the past so they just rolled with it and made him pretty androgynous. Which is also kinda how I figured out his identity, I just looked up the one famous nip sword I could think of, remembered the name from Persona 4 - Naoto's persona to be precise, which was the first strike - looked him up in the MegaTen wiki and saw how his SMTIV (?) version literally just had a skill named Crossdress, kek
One of Takeru's legends is that he dressed up as a maiden to sneak into a bandit camp to kill all the bandits, starting with their leader and taking advantage of the chaos. In one of their flashbacks, you hear that as it happened. Due to their legend involving looking like a woman, they are summoned as a trap, impossible to discern gender is one of their lesser NPs, like how Mordred's helmet makes you unable to discern their identity thanks to an enchantment, Saber's dick is impossible to see unless you already know it's there
So Shiro banged Artoria with dicks and all? That's kinda gay.
Shiro and Artoria aren't there, also Artoria only had a dick that one time, it's not part of their legend so they can't do it again. Only Merlin can create Futanari and he sees them as a mistake
I don't understand why you use nonspecific pronouns when the game refers to him as he is.
>Use japanese king Arthur
>Doesn't gender swap him
>Have his wife show up
>Make him a little shit that call his master weak
Based
Dick Rider
Pray safe for my long journey, for I am to venture between tardmamo's eyes
>the only e-girl Tamamo
>canonically the biggest bawd
Really makes you think
I just finished the prologue and I unlocked my first dissection or whatever its called to go to the big green haired guy and fight him. AM I suppose to do that is it like sidequests or is it a bad thing like will I mess up the story if I do them?
I don't know how long you can delay that one, but there's definitely a break point where you lose it and berserker as an ally. Doing it right as you unlock it is the hardest fight in the game, which isn't saying much since you can cheese it and everything else with enough healing.
You should do them when you get them since they go away after some points in the main story.
The story will often warn you when going further kills digression opportunities. I think their text turns red in the digression menu at that point
You can come back to that first rogue berserker a bit later since that's what I did, but I don't know the exact cutoff point.
Wind stance is SHIT. When you aren't able to play as servants, you're much better off buffing your MAT(the stat that actually hurts shells more) and then riposting, valor striking, using certain gem abilities, and using affinity abilities all put enemies in vulnerable states where they take much more shell damage briefly, similar to how they take more damage while glowing green after attacks.
>you're much better off buffing your MAT
the one stat I rarely touch since i hoard gems for that 50% healing move. Especially since the "this spell makes you better against shells" does shit
>"this spell makes you better against shells" does shit
Yeah, it and the crit rate up gem abilities I used often doing the first route, but I couldn't really notice a worthwhile difference. It may be a similar placebo, but breaking shells felt a lot better after making an effort to grab all the MAT nodes on the skill tree and upgrading my MAT mounting instead of just focusing on the ATK mounting.
I still don't know what TEC is for. And I'm already at chapter 5. Also, does this game have an ingame material drop list? I wanna farm some late game materials, not really sure which mob drops it. Trying to find the materials for mount upgrades
Probably crit, I don't know either.
You will get some extra hard fights in NG+, they probably drop upgrade materials you don't have yet. You will need to play it to get the true ending, apparently. Fortunately side quest progress gets carried over, you get to start from chapter 2 and the game will tell you when a scene you are trying to skip is new, so it shouldn't be that bad.
I'm looking for Trick Core. I have em, needed like 20 of them still, but I forgot to jot down which monster dropped them.
Oh. So the reward from the bounty is the monster drops. Neato, thanks for the monster list too. Yeah, I think Izunas only spawns during specific story points when there's onmyoujis are involved. Which sucks because I need those Doll Talismans.
Ah, in Chapter 5 (at least for Rat Route) Kanda and Yanagiwara Enbankment will have Mechanical Dolls for Trick Cores.
Water Stance needs 11 skills from Rogue Saber. He's only recruited in Rat Route / Fight Tsuchimikado Yasuhiro, and his digression is tied to the Todoroki choice in Ch. 3, so you need to make both those choices in one playthrough.
Earth Stance needs 11 skills from Rogue Berserker. He had 4 Digressions, did you not do them? The first one is beating him very early at Yoshiwara despite how overtuned he is, so he drops a Wakizashi and ties into the next Digressions.
ohhhhhhhhhh ok, didn't see this before I posted;
makes sense I guess, I picked to chase assassin versus him and he died offscreen, and yeah I missed rogue berserker because the game kept telling me to not go back there
>The first one is beating him very early at Yoshiwara
This fight is bullshit on Hard. Literally no margins for error, if he grabs you, you're basically dead while literally chipping his shell. Had to drop to normal to maintain my sanity.
You don't have to do it right away though. Digressions only disappear if they're in red text on the map and you progress the main mission. You can level quite a bit beforehand.
I thought that fight was excellent on hard and I'm upset the rest of the game didn't play like that. Game was around a 10/10 for me after beating him, doing quick hit and run attacks after dodging his moves.
>souls veteran when playing any other game
That's my inner Niohgay actually, the fight is basically Shibata Katsuie from Nioh 2, complete with the bullshit OHKO grab and charges. The game legitimately felt like Nioh for that fight, then later on it was more like BotW with dodging into moves to trigger the deflect and then spamming food items. The novelty of the shell mechanic had wore off for me by late game too but during the first fight with Berserker I still liked it.
Let's be fair, Nioh 2 is at a completely different level mechanically. FSR is worthwhile for people into Fate, but otherwise it's just a musou spinoff. That fight in Nioh 2 is not solely about dodging, unlike this game.
Yeah, that's true. It was just for that one early fight that it felt like Nioh to me because prenerf Katsuie was the same level of bullshit. I still remember seeing streamers taking 6 hours or more to beat him.
Get dodge filtered
>Battle > Basic Parameters & Spirit Font Conflicts > Spirit Fonts and Telluric Energy
>ATK: The power to crush an enemy's defenses with a weapon. Increases the damage of physical attacks.
>DEF: The ability to withstand enemy attacks. Decreases damage taken from opponents.
>MAT: The power to crush an enemy's defenses with magecraft. Inceases the damage of spells and elemental attacks. / As MAT increases, the amount of damage dealt to monsters, Servants, and the Shell Gauges of powerful enemies will also increase.
>TEC: The ability to act nimbly in battle. Increases the critical hit rate of attacks and the success rate of perfect evasions. It also affects the activation rate of certain skills. A critical hit greatly increases the damage an attack deals.
Under Akasaka's Edo Commission, the reward for slaying a certain monster tells you what material they drop. The description of the monster material itself also hints at it.
I don't think you can find Fox Spirits/Izunas anywhere, but monsters are tied to certain spawn locations, under the "Monster" tab here.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FxIccPMmtRdOmrQmKo2AmQ4tTPE7G1dNyQ1KIHWdPXg/edit?usp=sharing
what the frick was her problem?
She is the reason Raikou is schizo. And schizo herself.
>game has a canonical pedophile
Based!
Reminder that she was only pretending to be part of this fake grail war
It's hilarious how blatant they are about it. I think she has like 4 different lines in this game that's solely about lusting for little boys and girls.
my only real issue is that shell gauges are a b***h to break
Does anyone have a webm of Saber jumping and waving at you? It's cute af.
anyone got the steam review chart by country saved?
Is this the first instance where a servant is actually associated with one of participants "IRL"?
Um what? Your redman?
Oh yeah. Totally forgot about Archer.
>get a katana part
>+22 Strong Attack
+22 what? % damage deal?
I think it just adds the amount on top of your stats+mounting stats. So, you have a base 100 ATK, +50 ATK scabbard, with a +22 Strong attack
So you strong or triangle Total damage output is 100+50+22. But your normal or square attack total damage output is 100+50. They really didn't specify whether it is percentage or not.
>Play NG
>Iori feels like a Shirou clone
>Play NG+
>turns out he is actually Kotomine
Kinda kino ngl
I didn't feel that way at all. Iori is actually one of the least annoying TM protagonists I've seen. He's got a minimum of teenage angst and is really just a pretty reasonable guy, but also has his special flavor of sword autism that is explored in the final ending.
He doesn't have a savior complex and he's not evil for it's own sake. He's more like a real person with a strong desire.
You need to do the other routes and complete all the digressions to unlock the entire skill tree. Some digressions are only available in NG+.
beat the game, never managed to figure out what the unlock requirements (still say acquisition reqs ???) for water and earth stance final skills, was able to max out fire/wind/void tho
I thought I did everything? the only think I know I didn't do was how early on they were saying there was a rogue berserker digression, but whenever I tried to go to that district there was a popup that was like are you 100% sure you want to do this, they told you to not come back here until doing other quests; is that what those stance full trees was locked behind?
Depends on which ones those are, you should at least be able to see the requirements after an entire run. Did you somehow end up not getting some rogue servants or something?
idk
outside of that one rogue berserker digression which I apparently missed because they game kept telling me to not go there, I did every single digression at first opportunity
at the end had rogue servants;
tamamo -functionally my favorite her buff + fire stance claps cheeks
cu
shuwen
circe
arjuna
and unlocked all their related skills (the new spells as well as the get x/y of [name's skills] to unlock assorted nodes needed to max out fire, void, wind trees )
It seems like you didn't get bahsaka and seibah, yeah. Missing saber seems to be common, I saw people complaining about that on the Steam forums.
You only get Rogue Saber in the Rat route. In Snake he's just absent. I can only assume that he got destroyed since we weren't there to help.
Yeah, I miss that series.
I'm stuck on Earth. It says I need to Gain Power from Asakusa.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3045193988
You have to mash R3 (press right analog stick in) to find them. Akasaka's also has limited availability, I was screwed until NG+'s.
It's the special/religious places? I thought it has something to do with the Leylines missions. Frick sakes. Where is it at Asakusa?
iirc the big lantern thats somewhere there
I just realized, Samson is not in my roster. Frick. It's the only thing that stops me from mastering Earth on my first playthrough. Frick, my OCD is flaring right now.
Does using Wind stance's spammable fireball counts as kills using magic? Fricking Sukenoshin asking for 100 magic kills.
Those are probably Wind Stance KOs.
If you need KOs, I used the 11~12 gem spells you unlock from Servants to rout the human encounter of 25 enemies in Rakugo Ohashi in the northwest, since they vacuum up everybody. I don't think you can find greater enemy density than that specific spot.
>*swordcucks you from beyond the grave and across dimensions*
How will MusashiKEKS ever recover?
The seethe is pretty hilarious. Then again, I feel like Iori sort of cucked Kojiro too since he manages to do the swallow reversal with TWO swords.
I really liked the fact that later stances is much more violent and strong. Noticed this with Fire Stance. Iori's sword swings sounded so much louder and "harder", Void is just him going full bananas and h-hayai!. I love when games incorporate story elements into gameplay.
Yeah, I really liked how you feel incredibly weak against monsters and servants at the beginning of the game, but then slowly get powerful enough to compete. Humans are fodder for Iori at the start, but this really establishes the difference in ability between heroic spirits and normal people.
I know some people hate that he's able to actually kill servants, but that's just standard Fate all the way from FSN. Nasu hypes people up and then knocks them down. It's the way of things.
I have no idea how they handle this at a quantitative level (combat level? atk level?) but one neat thing along those lines is how with that "rapidly mash X or Y" duel function, how in the beginning you basically instantly lose any of those vs servants, but towards the end you can consistently win em
I'm not just saying in terms of strength and him being able to go toe to toe with a servant. I see it as, as Iori strives to get better at swordmanship, the more his true "born in the wrong timeline" nature is revealed. I can't remember which interaction, but I remembered someone pointing out Iori's calm composure is hiding something within and he is not who he is projecting.
why do they say tamamo is not usable in combat but then literally give her character model a sword, cut due to time constraints or something? just very weird
>rerolling mounting abilities counts against the total upgrade count
I love this little moron. Also, she's so strong. Why bother bringing a second servant when you can just buff yourself and kill everything single-handedly.
It's so funny when Saber is like LOL IORI SO WEAK in NG+ and she hasn't killed a single enemy because of 20-year old Dynasty Warriors AI.
>Saber
>She
Eh, force of habit.
Post mountings.
game would have been better with kiyohime
>first playthrough
>get to the final stretch
>"is this going to be another fricking rider who doesn't ride anything?"
>mfw
A-Are you playing on a keyboard?
I tend to take screenshots with a keyboard, yes
>try playing on keyboard at first
>backspace to back out of menus
Tardmamo herself designed this.
I can fix her
Sex
Needs correction
>rider who doesn't ride anything
Name 1 besides Ushiwaka.
Well, it was mostly about Tamamo in this game.
Yes, yes, I know, wieners.
drake
annbonny
martha
mebbd
ozy
quetz
ivan
sakamoto
red hare
etc...
need I go on
>drake
her ship
>annbonny
(you)
>martha
Taresque
>medb
everyone but (you)
>ozy
his pyramid
>quetz
fair
>ivan
sure he had a carriage or something
>sakamoto
his wife
>red hare
well, he is a horse
>Pirates
all ride ships
>Medb
rides wieners. Also her NP and Extra attack have her chariot
>Quetz
rides that bird thing in Extra attack
>Ivan/Red Hare
are the horse
Rider often covers Conquerors/Emperors in their class, which is why I always kind of justified Assassins being their weakness
>quetz
some of those have an explanation as meme-y as they are
>drake, anee/mary
Pirate Ship
>Martha
Tarrasque
>Medb
men lol (not joking)
>Ivan, Red Hare
they are their own ride
>Sakamoto
his wife
boat
boat
dragon
chariot
pyramid
dinousaur
mammoth
dragon
horse
chariot
crystal horse
dinosaur
pyramid
mercury
spin thing
carriage
dogs
motorcycle
Ozymandias
Boudica
Marie Antoinette
Quetzacoatl
Ozymandias
Sima Yi
Habetrot
Cinderelliz
Bakin
Summer Suzuka
>Boudicca
Chariot in her NP
>Marie Antoinette
Horse in her NP
>Quetz
Quetzal Bird in Extra attack
>Ozymandias
Rides a pyramid into Camelot/Rhongomyniad
>Sima Yi
Rides the mercury thing
>Habetrot
rides her weird little jet thing
>Cinderelliz
Chariot in Extra attack, rides elves too
>Bakin
Rides a dog in her NP
>Summer Suzuka
Motorcycle
The artist for this game is so good, I think he's my favorite from any TM thing.
Now that the game is out I hope he goes back to the FGO Shimousa manga. His art actually makes that story enjoyable to read.
Damn, does he always draw Shuten? She's even more delicious here.
Shuten and Raikou's character artist is Raita, but a different guy draws the manga. He just uses Raita's reference material.
Her senshi bankou shinpen kidoku left a pretty big impression on me when I first read it. I forgot it was in 2 parts, here's someone else's stitch. I wonder what it'd look like colored? The way the characters are written are pretty fun, too.
>For I am... Miyamoto Musashi Shinmen Takezō, Miyamoto Bennosuke Niten Dōraku Shinmen Musashi-no-Kami Fujiwara-no-Harunobu
>THE FLOWER AT THE APEX OF HEAVEN
She is so fricking annoying seriously, I hated this character in part 1.5 in FGO (then after that I liked her more as she was less present).
But, oh god, STFU MUSASHIT!
That felt so good to fricking kick her ass though. Very sweet.
She's definitely the writer's pet, but we already knew that. Can't wait for her to return in FGO again despite being literally deleted from existence.
ENTER
You know when something is so extreme in its weebhood that its mere existence just makes normal people recoil in embarrassment? Like they wouldn't want to be associated with that shit even if they were paid to do it because the cringe is just too much?
This is that kind of game.
Is there any actual explanation for her being able to hop between timelines?
See
>definitely the writer's pet
Sakurais mary sue.
Why does she make people seethe so much?
She's a pedophile (based).
>ran away
What the frick, he missed his opportunity.
>She's a pedophile (based).
She's very fond of youths
Just from hearing people talk about her I didn't get it either. But from the time she appears in FGO until where she kills the primodial greek god with one hit, she really wears out her welcome. So while people do appear to overreact, there is a reason for disliking her.
I never played FGO so I had no reason to seethe over her and her inclusion didn't overstay her welcome ,plus the final showdown was fun,tho I wish she said something extra in NG+ about Ioris nature in/before/after the duel
Yeah, while there are people that hated her when she appeared just like any other character, it's the stuff that built up over years that makes it stick around.
Holy hell. I think I just became a shotaconcon for Musashi
She's from a pruned world (Shimousa) but she's also the only Musashi who reached zero or whatever and the CF needed her alive because it knew we would need her to defeat Chaos in Olympus. The reason she goes data lost after Olympus is because she goes back to being pruned after she dies and her purpose is fulfilled.
She's actually not from Shimousa. She's from an undisclosed pruned timeline where she drank from a holy grail giving her the ability to escape her timeline and travel to several paralel realities. Shimousa is where she died for real and became a servant and she keept travelling until her final death.
Which fights did you guys find the hardest? My vote is the fist Rogue Berserker digression and the Shousetsu+Rider fight. The former because it's early game and you're weak as shit, and the latter because they're two people and both are pretty dangerous. (Rider has a lot of strange delayed attacks and her pauldrons act as turrets sometimes. I got off-screen killed a few times.)
gil and no other fight came even remotely close
the 'double fights' (where you're vs another master and servant) seemed a little tricky at first glance since they also do the combo moves, but if you just focus down the master asap which is easy to do because they don't have the shell gauge then you don't have to worry about that at all and can just parry spam to rapidly break the servant shell gauge, and while the master will revive sometimes if you take a long time? it doesn't happen that often (if it is scripted or if it is due to being too slow in downing the paired servant I am not entirely sure) and fairly inconsequential because you can focus them down fast again
Gil had a lot of HP, but all his attacks are clearly telegraphed and easily avoided. I haven't died a single time against him, but I still agree that he's one of the harder fights.
I didn't have an issue with any other master+servant fight, but Rider can essentially oneshot you if you're not careful while you're trying to burn down Shousetsu, which is what happened to me a couple of times.
fair enough I guess, he's actually the ONLY time I died in my entire playthrough (during his recollection fight because I got too greedy) I just don't like "endurance" battles in games in general, really prefer quicker fights
I'm on the last chapter playing in hardest difficulty. So far, I struggle mainly on fights where you don't play Iori or Saber. Like most of the fights you play as Rogue Saber.
You have limite consummable, you don't really know the movesets of the character you play with (and you are learning the boss' moveset), no NP.. Fricking great.
And Gil's fight was not that hard (the attack patterns can be easily distinguishable), but it's just take very long since he would 2/3 shots me. At least, there was a checkpoint at 50%.
Just to add to what other anons said, I found Earth's parry doing a good chunk of damage on fights. And you can freely switch after that.
The early Berserker fight. Gil I had not that much issue with other than the random chains coming up from the floor, his Gate of Babylons is pretty easy to avoid.. For some reason I died more when I fought against Saber in the Battle recollections than I did against Gil. .
Arjuna, frick him
Yeah, the archers are kind of awkward to fight, especially Arjuna since he's just ignoring your attacks and zipping around like a mecha. At least Zhou Yu has the sense to stand still for a bit while attacking.
In normal group fights it's fine,but using archer for boss fights is a real pain,especially against Berserk as Zhou Yu
archers were handled in such a weird way where they were the most annoying to fight because of the ranged stagger, and also not very fun to play as because lock-on just didn't really seem to work, and their ranged stuff did scratch damage vs shields
So what's the best stance?
I don't see the point of using anything but void once you get it. Honestly the stances are kinda underwhelming all around and really not that fun to play, nor different from each other.
They all have their uses, but Void is obviously the best one as long as you don't get hit or have enough food. I think a lot of people dismiss the earlier stances later on without trying them though. Wind is pretty decent for breaking shields late-game. (Of course, you can just perfect dodge or use affinity abilities, but still.)
fire is the best imo, especially if you can get tammamo buff up at the same time
water is best generalist because of how fast the moves are so you can play very reflexively to transition to heavy attack to counter any red glowy enemies and transition to dodge to trigger parries
void is... good for screenclearing trash mobs I guess
I did not like earth or wind much at all
only problem with fire is that it is really tricky to maintain 'low hp' once you take a hit or two, since you really want to be around 30% hp or something, but you don't want to be at a red sliver where you will die in one hit, and most of the foods will overheal you back into 60%+
Why are the endings all so inconclusive?
Even the NG+ ending feels like it's just a setup for a future DLC,doesn't help that it ends the fastest out of all the others
Because the true ending is the one where Iori dies
Thats the NG+ ending
That doesn't answer my question,that's the NG+ ending and it just ends abruptly like the rest ,ffs the shitpost ending where they become Gil's retainers feels less rushed.
Because they are since some characters aren’t playable. Rider, Rogue Rider, and Boss for example.
I'm so disappointed that Rider wasn't playable. Even the snake guy is playable with his giga-snake form. Frick sakes.
Snake is playable cause he is literally the character designers favorite character
Well, still lame. IMO Rider has the coolest design in the game with her armor (Rogue Saber comes second), so it was a letdown.
God I hated playing him,all his combos are ass and even his NP is the worst in the game even Lancer is better
It's so funny though. When you fight against the huge oni and he turns into someone twice their size and just awkwardly slaps and stunlocks them into a corner for 30 seconds.
I can appreciate that they didn't just make it into another blast NP.
He was the worst character to play as unless I was doing something wrong. He felt so weak. Saber and Archer felt the best to play as, Archer did some fricking ridiculous damage. Some of the rogues like Circe were surprisingly good to play as too.
I found it funny that early on getting to play as Musashi felt like playing a good version of Iori but by the end of the game, she felt like a shit version of Iori instead.
>I found it funny that early on getting to play as Musashi felt like playing a good version of Iori but by the end of the game, she felt like a shit version of Iori instead.
I had the exact same reaction, tho I hate how the other stances become irrelevant once you unlock Fire and Void stance
Wait till April since thats the first dlc which is also close to golden week if they intend to import the characters from FSR to FGO
Raikou always gets screwed over, Sakurai hates her. I'm not holding my breath. If anything it's going to be Kintoki again.
The DLC seems like it is going to be substantial so it will probably add a new ending, but I would say the NG+ ending is at least conclusive for Iori.
I'm kinda expecting that if the DLC adds a new ending or expands on Iori it will maybe have him be able to fight his violent nature, like in chpater 3 where he cut off what he saw as ''excess'
What's the last Servant that made you cum?
Kama
Shinmen Moosashi Milky Looper At The Apex Of Heaven
I usually go for Kama or Senpai
alter bros.........................................................................................
>Musashi is Iori's mentor
>the game never does anything with it
Iori's mentor is someone else, actually.
He basically gang bangs her six dimensional
I was expecting her to be the one to teach him new stances, since in the story his master died early and thus didn't impart the knowledge on them to Iori
Despite liking young men, Musashi died a virgin ( in both deaths ) and only ever truly felt love for the FGO protagonist.
Whether you believe it or not this is what's canon to her character.
When approached about her comments she'd go
>Huh?! I didn't mean it seriously!
While if she goes for the FGO protagonist, technically a young man I guess:
However she'd dead and buried so RIP I guess.
i want to have gaysex with many male servants
Sorry only feeding dates
bros i want to run a samurai school with shousetsu so badly ......
you just want to frick her
There's nothing wrong with that desire.
At best I can offer you some wholesome hand holding
I was hoping that Dorothea could teach me merchantile logistics.
>tfw the cutscene that plays when you do the true ending after this
iori is a deeply, deeply disturbed man
>iori is a deeply, deeply disturbed man
I mean
in chapter 3 he literally cuts away a piece of his mind/personality he sees as a problem
Dude has a legit mental/personality disorder
How do you get the True Ending? Preferably without spoilers but if the way to do it is spoilers itself then I guess I'll have to deal with it
>How do you get the True Ending?
NG+,just play the game normally,you can skip cut scenes but some are different which play a role in build up the true ending when you get those cut scenes it will notify you if you try skipping
How different is the True Ending compared to the other ending(s?)
>How different is the True Ending compared to the other ending(s?)
Depressing...
Very
It's kino. It's less flashy but much more personal to the characters involved. I liked all the endings, but this one wraps everything up nicely.
There's only 1 game changing decision in chapter 4 that determines the route you take. There are only 2 endings with one joke ending, and a bad ending you get get on New Game +.
>bad ending
Thats the true ending, only one where Iori is true to himself.
I should've put quotation marks on that. It is quite the kino ending.
It honestly feels more like he let his intrusive thoughts win and went full schizo
Might be misremembering,but doesn't his Bio specifically say it's a mental/personality disorder?
Like the dude legit cut off part of his mind in chapter 3
>Like the dude legit cut off part of his mind in chapter 3
That's just a pretty normal bullshido trope in anime, and part of Musashi's teachings. You try to avoid thinking about irrelevant shit in the middle of combat because it could get you killed. Obviously in Fate it's more mystical, but it's hardly unique to Iori. Munenori in FGO has the same deal.
Yeah but even Saber notices the change instantly when it happens , so I think it was him literally destroying a part of him that kept him from going full sword schizo
Sure, but that's par for the course in Fate. Shioru also has these extreme character developments happen in the span of a few minutes and then suddenly people can "sense" something different about him. Classic anime/manga trope.
But you're right of course, it IS him destroying his own kindness. It's just not that uncommon.
From his flashbacks and what was said in them and his actions in the game before NG+ I think his nature is both kind AND sword schizo, and it's these contrasting desires that both kept him in check along with fricking up his mentality , it's why in chapter 3 in NG+ when he explained that he wasn't kind it didn't really make sense to me as his prior actions wouldn't benefit him in that sense.
Poor dude was born broken and let the intrusive thoughts win
>his prior actions wouldn't benefit him in that sense
I think they mostly would. Being kind to people means they're kind to you. And it usually costs almost nothing. Being kind can sometimes be vital for success.
But yeah, I otherwise agree. He's got multiple sides for sure. In the "true" ending one side takes command, but those are just one part of him.
Yeah he is a schizo and dying fighting against someone like Saber is his best ending, he's either gonna be boring as hell his whole life and die unfulfilled or break and go full murderhobo until he gets put down.
It is canon, Nasu said it happens between Shimousa and LB5. Thats why Musashi introduces herselt as Iori in the Las Vegas event.
Cutest female character in the game.
I liked Dorothea too though, especially the scene where she's blushing.
>I liked Dorothea too though, especially the scene where she's blushing.
The frizz is godly tho
>chicken looking ass hairstyle
what were they thinking?
Yeah, the hat is fun too but she looks great without it. Wish she had a bigger role or that we could see more of her in another game. But she's probably one and done.
That would be interesting. I think Ushi Gozen would have been fine with Iori's sword saint autism as long as the end result is the true ending. (Unending conflict.) Don't think Shousetsu and Saber would get along immediately, but they're both good people at heart. Hard to say who would win. (Well, whoever is protagonist I guess.)
rogue saber being after iori all game would be interesting too. there's a lot of potential for interesting scenarios with the cast, iori going full murder hobo and allying with chiemon could have been interesting. or iori with caster and caster makes the enemies weak so iori can kill them until he reaches saber at the end who breaks the spell and iori has to battle full strength saber.. plus if iori had caster then all that dumb mind control shit wouldn't have happened and that drastically changes the story.
>iori with caster and caster makes the enemies weak so iori can kill them
Dude, that's actually a great idea.
might actually be the best pair, if the dlc doesn't give us a route like that, i'm gonna be sad. caster can record iori's victories and then immortalize him if they win. it'd actually be a way to canonically get iori into fgo because records of iori's feats would exist and he'd probably have a real bullshit powerlevel because of it so they can continue their iori wank.
The only way to get Iori to F/GO would be to make him a Slider like Musashi or Proto Saber, his timeline got pruned completely and may have even been fictional since Kojiro is part of it.
I am aware that Kojiro appears in F/SN but he is entirely a fake there and only appears due to Medea's blatant rape of every rule she encounters.
Considering he can go toe to toe and even beat servants as a human he would be complete bullshit as a servant
As a huge point of contention, he reached sword saint status by the time he gets Void stance so cutting a spiritcore isn't out of the question.
But Iori has no real wins against any of them without assistance from outside forces. You can do it in gameplay but the story still makes Iori seem pretty average to a point.
>But Iori has no real wins against any of them without assistance from outside forces. You can do it in gameplay but the story still makes Iori seem pretty average to a point.
don't you 1v1 musashi and win? or is the implication that she jobs?
He does but people miss that Musashi's master just burned all her command seals and Musashi was then on borrowed time anyway.
Don't get it wrong, Iori does win that fight legitimately but being a Berserker drains mana fast and Musashi goes all out from the start just shy of using her Noble Phantasm (which Iori has no real defence against).
You can make a lot of arguments about this specific case, it'll cause a great amount of seethe. I don't doubt that Iori can harm Servants but its a stretch to say he can win against one entirely without assistance or another contributing factor.
>Musashi's master just burned all her command seals
On Musashi. Also, it's not like Musashi needs the energy, judging by her performance in Olympus before Guda shows up.
I don't get why you guys are so anal about humans destroying servants, it happens all the time in Fate. I know Nasu tends to point out how difficult it is, but that's just the usual bait and switch tactic to hype things up.
Shirou by himself kills like 4 different servants in FSN.
Solid point but if she didn't need the energy why no NP? Holding back is an argument but that's still then a contributing factor to Iori's win.
Its powerlevelgayging I admit and gets nobody anywhere, but sometimes its important to point shit out at times rather than let people overinflate it and cause headswell.
>let people overinflate it
I bet Nasu would enjoy inflating it.
>why no NP?
That's a gameplay thing, enemies are literally incapable of using their NPs in combat unless it's part of the narrative, like with assassin.
>sometimes its important to point shit out at times
We should just accept that the power levels make no difference and that the narrative alone decides who wins and who loses.
lol, that's literally my point. Who cares about any of that nonsense? Anyone can beat anyone. Never take anything Nasu says about "rules" seriously. They're there to be broken. Can Shiki kill servants? Of course she can.
I was agreeing.
Sorry then, I misunderstood.
>You can do it in gameplay but the story still makes Iori seem pretty average to a point.
Didn't he solo Musashi? And even before that he reached Void stance so he was almost if not already a sword saint,I don't understand why Saber keeps referring to him as average or weak when everything seems to be pointing towards the opposite gameplay wise and even history/feat wise
See
I agree that by that point he was a sword saint and could legitimately damage a Servant but damaging is not winning and the only Servant he outright beats in a fight is Musashi.
Who had an external factor already limiting her. Its still a win and an impressive one but not really all that,
I consider most of the game to be a case of gameplay/story segregation. Either Iori is moronicly strong because most players aren't dogshit at games or this botched ritual summed vastly weaker Servants.
But this is a hot debate right now.
>this botched ritual summed vastly weaker Servants
Honestly would be a pretty good excuse why Iori can keep up and even win against servants even as a human , as it's been stated many times how the ritual is just a weak imitation and maybe even whhen the Rogue servants were summoned it diluted the overall servants strength
>teenage ginger schoolboy with crap magic circuits can beat Herc, Gil, Saber Alter and his future superhero self within a couple of weeks of training
>swordmaster with magical aptitude who trained under both Musashi and Kojiri in the 1600s couldn't possibly do it without them being nerfed
shirou as a character is fanfic tier of bad writing
Which one has more sword autism?
Shirou or Iori?
Iori, Shirou could feel emotions and love.
>Iori, Shirou could feel emotions and love.
Pretty sure Iori also feels those,it's just they are secondary to his sword autism
This is a tough one. Iori is a samurai who lives by the sword, Shirou is literally a sword and dreams about swords nightly
ginger schoolboy with crap magic circuits can beat Herc, Gil, Saber Alter and his future superhero self within a couple of weeks of training
He doesn't beat any of them you lying sack of shit.
>I don't understand why Saber keeps referring to him as average or weak
Saber is just a moron with an OP magical sword. He's strong because he's ancient and his NP is busted, not because she's all that good at swordfighting.
That's not really that out of the ordinary. The servant container sometimes downgrades characters. The real Herc for example would probably be more BS than his servant counterpart. Same with most of the god servants you have in FGO.
I wouldn't bother with the higher difficulties. Nothing is locked behind it and it's literally just raises HP and attack on enemies.
>I wouldn't bother with the higher difficulties. Nothing is locked behind it and it's literally just raises HP and attack on enemies.
Yeah there's no point in playing anything above normal ,you don't get anything and it's just a lazy HP and Damage increase , maybe if the riposte had a bigger window to trigger it would be more fun ,but in group fights you always get side smacked by something
oh this timeline got pruned? rip. i still wanna see the caster/iori team up though. i think that has some high potential to be entertaining regardless.
Since its a pruned timeline you can honestly do whatever you want with it.
Nothing that happens in this timeline has any bearing on any other, it is less than a singulariy and everything within will just continue on unless an outside force intervines.
>Pruned Timeline
Lost Belt was a fricking mistake, watch them prune fricking Redline too.
It's just a meme. Outside of Extella and FGO it doesn't really matter. It's more like alternative universes/different routes. Nobody thinks of UBW as a "pruned" timeline just because it's not Heaven's Feel.
Dude, you clearly haven't played enough FGO if you think something that trivial would stop them from including him. If Shiki can get in, Iori can easily too. Fate is 90% rule of cool, any rule can be broken if the writers want it enough.
You can have that, but first you gotta get rid of the other masters if you want that homunculus pussy.
I like that Rider is so very straight-forward. If Shousetsu hadn't been such a moralgay Raikou would have swept everyone else easily.
i need a route where iori summons rider and shousetsu summons saber
He already has a Rider
yeah but he could have 2 riders. seeing raikou and tardmamo fight over him would be cute.
Whenever I hear the Rider class I can't help but imagine the character just giving their summoner a piggyback ride everywhere
>Iskander does while riding a his chariot.
>Astolfo tries to but can't lift you.
>Bouddicca won't give you a piggyback but instead gives you a lap pillow while fighting Roman Servants.
Bliss.
>Astolfo tries to but can't lift you.
Monstrous Strength C- btw
I wanna kiss her directly on the eyeballs.
I can fix her
I'm still not sure whether she's completely convinced that she's actually helping out here or if she's just mocking her. This is the kind of Madness Enhancement I can get behind.
>type-moon work with a mentally disturbed mc
That's how you know you're gunna have fun.
>type-moon work with a mentally disturbed mc
We though we were playing a Shirou,but we were actually a Kirei
post tamamo
how insane is that moron pussy of hers?
Considering she’s pretending to be moronic probably high
Yes
she can ride me any day of the week
I don't care what anyone says, I liked Tamamo in Extella. She was this good balance between possessive/evil and nice.
Mama
is there actual NTR in this? i saw a post last week about it and i wasn't exactly sure how true it was
Nah
The closest thing to NTR here would be if someone took the MC's swords away
Technically there is then, at one point Saber takes Iori's practice swords to train with one night.
Nope. The post was probably related to Saber having a wife, but there's no actual romance between Saber and Iori.
How fujobait-y is the game actually? I heard some Fategays complain about how gay the game is, but looking through this thread, it seems like the designated fujobait character actually has a wife. I’m a fujo myself so I’m hoping the wife doesn’t get in the way of my shipping.
Its a giant bromance that develops well
Thank you for the answers. I think for most fujos like me, a close bromance where the MC doesn't show attraction to any women is good enough reason to ship them.
>fujo-friendly enough
All I needed to hear to get me to buy the game. Thank you.
>fujobait character
Jokes on them , I see this Saber as just a flat female
Saber is 0% gay and really cares for his wife
There is no shipping and the game isn't very fujo at all, unless you've fused with the goggles anyhow.
Saber is a man but looks like a trap. His wife is a Caster Servant that posesses the MC's little sister. This is entirely irrelevant in two routes.
MC has zero interest in women and is completely obsessed with becoming a master swordsman despite the age for such a thing having long since passed.
The most anyone gets from him is that he calles Saber beautiful at one point but at this moment he is fighting Saber and has gone full tilt sword autsim.
After this he acknowledges Saber as his truest friend and the game ends.
> the game isn't very fujo at all
not true, archer and his master is at least mildly gay
>His wife is a Caster Servant that posesses the MC's little sister.
I still don't get why this was a thing, you could take it out and nothing would change , her only contribution was healing Iori once and being kidnapped twice
There's a lot of male characters compared to FGO. Saber has a canonical wife, so it's hard to ship him with anyone else, but otherwise it seems fujo-friendly enough.
Also, Saber DOES get a bit jealous when the MC heaves attention onto other characters, so I wouldn't call it impossible to ship. Just a reach.
How's the gameplay?
pretty good actually, a mix of musou and nioh
it's yakuza with a fate skin.
it feels like lvl 1 darksouls but you shoot a crystal spear with iframes sometimes and you have infinite healing and you can pause the game to heal
Not very good, it feels like the devs wanted to have a tighter combat system with a much larger focus on reaction and abilities.
But the devs churn out musous and don't really know how to properly make a combat system that isn't a musou.
The result being that the fights are tiny and you have a maybe one enemy that's actually a threat.
Fights against Servants are annoying too, depending on the difficulty. There is some tuning that needs doing here.
But it is perfectly serviceable.
"Advanced" musou-like. (So still pretty simplistic, but satisfying enough.)
Don't buy it for the gameplay though, it's a fanservice game. If you're not into Fate, I doubt you'll enjoy it much.
Is Saber here actually male or just flat?
Sure Saber's myth here was of a male character,but it's not like we haven't had male myth Sabers be female
As far as I'm concerned Iori is mating pressing this Saber in the Gilgamesh ending
Read the thread. Some posters are entirely convinced it's a dude, but it's technically not confirmed. Personally I'm only like 65% sure it's a guy.
Its never "confirmed" but in the flashback in Saber's mind his father calls him a dude. Saber's wife shows up and explicitly calls him a dude too.
After that the books continues to call him a "he" so most are inclined to say Saber is a man.
But other people constantly call Saber a girl and he never bothers to correct them, either not caring or being a troll.
>Its never "confirmed" but in the flashback in Saber's mind his father calls him a dude
I assumed that flashback was of his legend/myth and not actually this Saber as a character,because when they show the flashback it's originally some dude but then Sabers likeness gets imposed unto it
The fight is literally inside Takeru's mind, its not just a flashback but his outright memories. If that isn't hard confirmation that I donno what is.
>The fight is literally inside Takeru's mind, its not just a flashback but his outright memories. If that isn't hard confirmation that I donno what is.
But during the walk to Saber in the fields one of the dialogue refers to Saber as ''miss' ,but in the next one the father refers to em as ''son''
I don't remember the exact dialogue in his mind. I think it included those bandit shenanigans. Which is part of the character's myth, he infiltrates a bandit camp by crossdressing.
You could easily argue that both ways though. Perhaps he was just a crossdressing girl for his entire career, just like OG Seiba.
Some sources refer to tem as a female, some as a male.
>Iori is mating pressing this Saber
Because lori has good taste in cute boys.
Saber is considered a male in terms of the actual history but is indifferent to all the times he gets called a beautiful woman or the occasional jabs where folks think he's Iori's GF. In other words, it's best to think like Saber and just not give a damn, cute is cute.
I don't care if saber is a man or a woman, would still bang saber in the ass so it doesn't matter
(I reserve veganal baby-making sex for tardmamo)
Can you change the difficulty? I'm getting filtered on Hard.
You can change it at any time, yeah.
>Tsukihime is pretty good.
>Plus Disc is good for what it is.
>Kagetsu Tohya has problems but was overall worthwhile.
>Hollow Ataraxia has too many scenes, but is otherwise good.
>Witch on the Holy Night is good.
>Tsukihime remake is good.
>Even some of the Melty Blood original stuff is good.
>Stay Night is ass.
>It's the one everyone likes.
Am I just moronic?
>I liked hollow ataraxia, the game mostly focused on comedy with the original cast
>has too many scenes, but is otherwise good.
Bazzet and Avenger's story is good, and a bunch of the Fuyuki scenes build on the ideas presented in it. A bunch of characters who got the shaft in Stay Night also get focus here, and their stuff is mostly good as well.
People like what Stay Night has to say and the cool stuff in it more than its quality as a VN.
speak for yourself, its widely regarded as a great vn
By people who have never read another VN, yeah.
>Stay Night is ass.
sparks liner high is the most kino thing nasu has written and simply elevates FSN into pure godly literature by virtue of having it in there
Sure the pacing is a bit fricked at times but how can you think it's ass when it has stuff like pic related in it?
If I wanted action I would read a good comic or watch a good anime/movie.
>Shirou vs Redman
>action
Did we read the same scene?
It's 100% introspective character writing with Shirou flailing like a moron in the background
>Meanwhile i seem to be the only one who likes Extra
I like Extra and CCC, frick Extella though.
CCC snobs are the worst.
Is Extella that bad? Haven't played it yet. Decade old laptop.
I guess. But if it's a sexual ritual, i'm walking.
nta but re:extella(s)
plot is incoherent but gameplay is quite fun, you actually get to use a lot of different servants with varying movesets and playstyles (none as deep as iori) for a lot of standard musou battles
Extella plot is cool IMO, but the gameplay is rather dull. It's just musou except with robots instead of actual people.
Basically the opposite of this guy's opinion lol
idk maybe because I just didn't play CCC or read whatever VN that gives any background, I just found the setting/premise with the weird moon-matrix or whatever to be incredibly confusing. But it leaned into the musou bit; I just really considered it more of a fate-flavored senran kagura game, and I'm a weirdo who actually likes those for gameplay versus plot (not to be confused with PLOT in the sk games which I do quite enjoy)
Extella built around a real world instead of the moon matrix shit would have been so cool.
I like Extra. Wanna join me in a ritual to bring Record into existence?
>KOEI game
>GotY
>musou
>goty
i don't think this is exclusively a fate thing, anytime the whole fluff vs crunch powerlevel arguments come out all parties involved lose braincells
The difference is that the author is so insistent about the rules in the Nasuverse, even though they ALWAYS end up losing to exceptions within exceptions.
>You dodged my undodgeable strike!
Being a rules lawyer when the head honcho throws out the rules in every single thing he writes and makes a thematic point of it in most of his works just makes you a dope.
mainline canonically speaking has anyone ever "won" a grail war or is it every time the thing needs to get destroyed for the greater good or whatever by t3h protagonist
I'm not even sure if i would call Samurai Remnant canon.
you know what I mean; in any official fate franchise media property, where there's a grail war involved, like say fsn, fz, fapoc, this
seems like there's always some asspull reason nobody ever wins and gets their reality altering wish; which is reasonable for a vertical slice of fiction in a media franchise; but then you wonder why "in-universe" people even want to have these if apparently the implications of someone winning one and getting what they want is so world shattering that it always needs to be stopped, why do these people in-universe even know about this or think it'll work when they're not all living under immortal overlord from 5000 years ago who won one etc...
>fsn, fz, fapoc, this
Most of those are in different timelines or the facts are obscured so people don't really know what happened. And the idea is getting a wish granted is too enticing for people to pass up, no matter how much of a bad idea it seems like.
>then you wonder why "in-universe" people even want to have these if apparently the implications of someone winning one and getting what they want is so world shattering that it always needs to be stopped, why do these people in-universe even know about this or think it'll work when they're not all living under immortal overlord from 5000 years ago who won one etc...
Because they are a sham designed to bring in morons as masters that summon a servant which will be sacrificed to have enough energy so the guys who started the HGW can reclaim the Third Magic
The wish was always a scam and never real, the grail ends up destroyed because the MCs find out the truth.
Not really the case in this game though. Iori has no idea what's going to happen, he's just "frick the grail, shit's evil" with no real evidence aside from monsters spawning. Well, except for one ending.
Iori is just autistic and doesn't want to cheat on his way to being lord of the sword. The ritual already gave him his wish, same with Saber, so they had no use for it. Might as well just get rid of it then. Even in that one ending, his use is to just leave it as it is so people come fight him for it.
Shirou wins in Prisma and sends Miyu to another timeline, it's the only clear win I can think of.
Of course it's canon. Are you one of those gays who thinks only one route can be canon?
Yeah, it's pretty much always shenanigans that prevent it from being won the "normal" way. Apocrypha is probably the closest you get to normal, but even that ends the same way.
I think the moral of the story is supposed to be "black magic evil, just bee urself :^)"
FGO has almost no actual grail wars, but the protagonist gets to nab all the grails.
I use all my grails to wish kiyohime incarnates and becomes my gf
Nice. I brought Raikou to 120. Would go higher, but I suppose I should put the rest of them into Summer Raikou.
yeah I kinda wanted to do kiyolancer too but she's at 100 b11 np2, and I'd need like 100 more servantcoin which is going to take literal years to hit bond15 or wait for some other rateup
the coin bottleneck is really the most annoying thing, the QP and embers aren't that bad esp with the 5* embers and just waiting for 2/+ succ periods
Yeah, the coins are very annoying. Same situation with Lancer Raikou now that I think about it. (And I also need more coins for Raikou Prime if I want to get the append skill to loop with her in 2 years time.)
Oh yeah, it's a very strange setting for sure. I don't really like the world-building per se, but the whole thing with Velber and the characters are good IMO. (I liked Altera.)
Total respect for your taste btw, I thought the gameplay was serviceable too. I just would have liked more variety.
Yeah the plot itself was a fun little story with some cute character interactions and reasonably memorable (the same I cannot say for extella 2, I dont remember what the frick that game was about), extella actually motivated me to buy sq to pull for tamamo and she was the first 5* on my acct back in 2017
still waiting on dark liz
As far as FGO goes though, some people do have the Grail legitimately and not because Solomon threw it at them like Gilgamesh and Drake
Moneybills in FGO legit did
Won the war, got his wish, no strings attached
man I like murderhobos and all but Iori fricking sucks
Why? I kinda like how normal he is aside from the autism. There's no angst or annoying drama with him. He's just a reasonable guy most of the time.
he's just poorly written
>goes out of his way to tell Takeru to hold back so people won't be killed or affected by the WMR
>inner thoughts are all about keeping the peace
>game hints that he actually really wants to keep fighting stronger people to perfect his blade which is fine
>cue entreat the darkness
>outright says the nice guy attitude is just an act (please forget his inner thoughts up until this point) and the only thing he cares for is his sword autism
>says he only lives a normal life because he wants to know how to kill normal people (???) and that will somehow make his blade stronger
>character is now a complete mess, his sword autism at odds with wanting to kill normal civilians since doing that won't make him stronger
If they wrote out the parts where he tells Saber to be mindful of damage and didn't show his inner thoughts the way they did, he would be a better murderhobo, as he is now he's just a ball of contradictions
that and him learning to do Tsubame Gaeshi (with two swords at that) in a couple of years because please clap
>as he is now he's just a ball of contradictions
Yeah that's the point, his nature is both kind and a sword schizo,think his bio even mentions it's a personality disorder
I don't think he's poorly written,it's just that it's poorly executed and paced , if we saw more snippets of is descent into sword schizo and the degradation of hid kindness due to the constant fighting he was punt into it would be a lot better,but instead we get everything at once along with a shitty explanation of never being kind at all
>his nature is both kind and a sword schiz
no, he literally says that his kindness is an act
either give him a conflict in entreat the darkness if the kindness is the real thing or write him as pragmatically as possible without giving the game away
>he literally says that his kindness is an act
and he says that after literally cutting away a part of his mind he sees as ''excess'' to fulfilling his sword autism
that's worse, they're just rushing to get the ending they want
wait when did that happen
NG+ chapter 3 after he fights his mental self, in NG it's where you get the wind stance I think
But then this line makes no sense
Hell, the whole manifesto makes no sense
That anon is wrong, it's Saber who thinks he was kind and Iori corrects him right after.
>nonsensical character if he was truly kind
>nonsensical character if it was just an act
Quite impressive how they botched it honestly
How is he nonsensical
It's already been explained
>if the kindness is real he shows no conflict and this line
But then this line makes no sense
Hell, the whole manifesto makes no sense ensures that it couldn't have been real
>if the kindness isn't real then his actions and inner thoughts through the game betray the narrative presented by Entreat the Darkness
And this is literally after fighting his mind in order to cut away anything he dubbed as ''excess'',is it really that hard to understand that his kindness was what was keeping him from going full sword schizo and only after cutting it away he doesn't have anything holding him back anymore
Because the convo literally goes
>you shouldn't cut your kindness away
>actually I was never kind
>you shouldn't cut your kindness away
>actually I was never kind
He says after cutting it away
That's already contradictory, unless you mean to tell me "actually he killed his own kindness and then his brain automatically rewired all of his actions and justified them with complete nonsense" which is still shit writing
>rewired all of his actions and justified them
That's literally it ,the idea itself isn't the problem it's the pacing of it ,we get hit with all of it at once in chapter 3 NG+ instead do it being spread around and his gradual descent into full sword autism and throwing away his kindness
People seem to forget we're dealing a dude with mental issues who's nature and desires are at odds with each others , even old Musashi in the flashback when Iori was still just a kid mentions how he was kind but was born in the wrong age , and call me crazy,but i think Musashi would be able to tell if some kid was bullshitting him and putting on a mask
And that's shit writing and still contradicts his actions, inner thoughts and even gameplay
Hell he still gets healed by petting cats and dogs for frick's sake
And to top it all off those three lines are still complete nonsense, "living with people to understand how to kill them", fricking really?
You're a swordsman, you know how, you've known how since you picked up a blade, there's simply no way
It's paced like shit, executed like shit and doesn't hold up when analyzed so it's also written like shit
>"living with people to understand how to kill them", fricking really?
You must be new to japanese fiction. You know how they always go on about "killing intent" and whatnot? That's part of the same thing, using your empathy or mystical senses to anticipate attacks before they happen and counter-react. It's obviously a bunch of nonsense, but it's a very common trope.
Oh yeah because helping Takeda find an item is gonna help him detect killing intent
>and call me crazy,but i think Musashi would be able to tell if some kid was bullshitting him and putting on a mask
I mean everyone else did, including his alternate version, we're just piling on the faults of the writing at this point
Honestly I think you're trying to write for the game here and your effort is commendable but that's not what we got
But they hint at it all the fricking time? The fricking opening dialogue literally says that Iori was born in the wrong era. Did you skip all the fricking dialogue
>"he wants to fight to perfect his blade" is what we hinted through the game so obviously this means "Iori wants to kill civilians who won't put up a fight"
He wants conflict, it's shown in-game that he enjoys fighting strong opponents but if there are none he'd probably start killing random people. Living on a time of peace is the worst for him.
He literally turns down an offer to join a war from the chinese guy.
to be fair, he wants to kill people.
Heh I get it because chinks aren't humans
>but if there are none he'd probably start killing random people
No, he outright says he only lives with them to know "how to best cut them down"
So it's something that he actually thinks will perfect his blade
And if he only enjoys the conflict, then there is zero reason to care about them living or dying during the WMR which is not what happens
Are you for real? Why do you think both male Musashi and fem Musashi keep saying he was born in the wrong era? And they keep hinting that something is wrong with him all the time even on the first playthrough.
Dude, people are not perfectly introspective. If someone cuts away their inner kindness, they would rationalize that they were never kind. Do you have some form of legit autism? This is pretty basic human psychology here.
I understand that you would call this "shit writing", but to me it's the exact opposite. People are not 100% rational and aware of themselves. That's the entire point of that sequence, and why Saber is visibly disturbed. Iori is losing himself.
Also, this sort of thinking was always part of Iori. That's the point of his backstory, being traumatized by having his entire family killed and then witnessing Musashi come in and slice everyone down. He's obsessed with getting to that level, at any cost. But then he learned some kindness along the way, mostly through his sister. And that's the part he decides to leave behind. So when he says that "he was never kind", he's referring to how it was always his goal to become a sword saint. Kindness was a distraction to that, hence why he cut it out.
Anyway, your take is just kind of small-brained, I'm sorry. Fate is not peak writing and I have no issue admitting that the story is far from perfect, but this little thing I see no problem with.
>That's the entire point of that sequence, and why Saber is visibly disturbed.
Iori literally says "you don't seem surprised" in the ending
Yes, in the ending. The moment we're talking about is exactly after he cut out his kindness, which is much earlier. The whole scene is rather chilling with tense music playing. Saber looks visibly disturbed. And that's why she knows what his plan is in the final ending, because she saw signs of it much earlier.
Then there is no point in his manifesto because Saber already knows or even getting the option to not destroy the grail
If anything Saber should have raised his sword the moment they got close to the grail
>If someone cuts away their inner kindness, they would rationalize that they were never kind
In that case just "cut down the civilians" like you said you wanted to
You are no longer kind, why keep wearing the mask from that point on
Why deny Zheng's proposals
Why act the way you did after that, what is the point
>In that case just "cut down the civilians" like you said you wanted to
There's no purpose in cutting down civilians. He doesn't want to do that because it would do nothing but bring the law down on his head. He wouldn't learn anything from it. He literally just wants to get as strong as possible, how is this so difficult to understand?
>Why deny Zheng's proposals
Because he doesn't believe fighting in a war would be the best way to learn? Unrealistic perhaps, but Iori and Musashi are primarily duelists, not soldiers.
And that's what people are complaining about , it doesn't make sense because we see the whole game from Ioris POV and even hear his thoughts
If Iori was such a sword schizo then why didn't he accept Zheng's offer to return with him? Isn't there a war in China rn ?
From Iori's point of view, fighting in the war would be to help Zheng win it and reestablish the Ming dynasty. But Iori doesn't care about any of that, he just wants to become the best there ever was at sword-swinging and care for his half-sister. War isn't really that conducive to dueling.
At least, that's my take on it. Musashi did take part in the Sengoku Jidai, but that was when he was young. His dueling tenure came in the unstable immediate aftermath. Things were calming down around Iori's time.
Rider = NP is a vehicle of some kind
>NG+ isn't an entire route of Iori going full Nanaya until the point enemy masters team up against him because he must be stopped
Speaking of stances
Is it just me ,or are the other stances kinda pointless after you get fire and void stances?
hell they even compliment each other due to the high and low HP requirements for each
Wind is pretty good to break armor and earth is alright to do the counterattack and then switch. But yeah fire and void are just way better.
The problem seems to be that iori is far more emotionally disturbed than even shirou, but ironically shirou's inner thoughts were more disturbing most of the time. Shirou's character and mental illness was set up properly basically from the very start.
The writer for FSR was making a shitload of parallels to FSN too.
>tfw the joke ending is the only ending that isn't incomplete or rushed
And also the happiest ending
True ending > Gil ending > other two
Nah, the true ending sucks
It's just as rushed as the others except you don't get the extra "muh blade isn't sated" line
Feels even more rushed than the other 2 and feels more like bait for a DLC continuation/branching off
Imagine putting Gil in second place
Absolute mongrel , my loyal retainers, smack is nuts
I'm nearing the end of the first route.
Tbh how does the gameplay even work? Lol. I've been abusing Saber's KAMEHAMEHA and void stance but I legit don't understand WHEN I get afterglow and when to switch stances. (wind seems hella useless to me tbh and fire and void are too contradictory so I just swap between void and water)
Use void, and when your HP falls too low, use fire
That's really it, you might use wind to break stances
Like damn this gameplay kinda ass. Just eat food saber and keep blasting!!! What's the point of the secret techniques too?
I only use Earth for the riposte.
Fate has conditioned me to not care about endings ever since CCC told me that Extra didn't matter, so I will get the good ending and then not care anymore
>Earth Stance
Something you use before getting Wind Stance
>Water Stance
The other thing you use before getting Wind Stance
>Wind Stance
The thing you use before getting the Fire Stance
>Fire Stance
The thing you use before getting Void stance - And the thing that you use when your HP gets low and you SOMEHOW run out of food heals
>Void stance
The thing you will use for 70+% of the game
Special Attacks? Just pick the one that clean up the trash quickly like Sabers water wave or those that can quickly decimate the shield bars.
Gems? Exclusively used for those big potent fire attacks that stagger everyone. Later also a good way to break the shield bars.
The moves Iori learns from the Rogue Servants? Good for trash cleanup - That's about it.
Damn. I think Extella got better gameplay and that was kinda trash. Idk how I feel about the game so far. Gameplay just feels unsatisfying until now because almost all the enemies have superarmor.
earth stance is good for 1v1 bosses, the parry window timing is greatly extended in it. depletes shield bars easily.
BOTY
>FOOD
>FOOD
>WATER BLAST
>FOOD
>FOOD
>WATER BLAST
>FOOD
>VALOR ATTACK
>switch to saber
>BLAHDBFLSH HAKI!!!!
Which boss fight am I talking about?
>boss fight
Trick question.
So when the hell do you use afterglow? How do you even know you have it? The particle effects that you can barely fricking see? Who the frick designed this game?
I swear people here lack reading comprehension, because obviously Iori being inted at wanting to perfect is swordsmanship means he wants to go full murder hobo and kill civilians because that somehow will improve it , let's ignore the fact he refused Zhengs offer to leave with him to China where a literal war was going on and would give him what he wants
He doesn't wanna murder civilians. Murdering people who pose no threat to him is a waste of time. He wants to keep the fake grail around in order to attract powerful opponents who will attempt to steal it from him.
That's also the reason why he isn't going to China. He wants to remain part of the war there after being impressed by the power of servants. His goal is perfecting his swordsmanship and that is only possible if he fights the strongest opponents possible again and again. Something a war or slaughtering random civis could never do.
This would only make sense if he had the wish to keep the ritual war going before he was even asked to join Zheng in China, which if i remember he was asked in chapter 2 but his wish to keep the war going forever was in chapter 4
I mean why would he leave the fight with servants to go to a war with normal humans
At that point he still didn't get rid of his "emotions".
But when Zheng later asks him again he refuses again and at that point he already had questioned himself multiple times. We can't say for sure when exactly he started playing with the idea of just keeping the grail war going forever.
>At that point he still didn't get rid of his "emotions".
Ahh right that's NG+ chapter 3, in NG it still made sense for him to refuse as he didn't want to be part of that bloodshed along with wanting the ritual to stop as he deemed it evil , but looking back on it now I feel like he called it evil because it was tempting him and he succumbed to it in NG+
>He doesn't wanna murder civilians. Murdering people who pose no threat to him is a waste of time.
>"I've lived a righteous life in order to understand the people of this tranquil world."
>"That I might understand how they feel, how they think..."
>"...and through that understanding, how to best cut them down."
Totally doesn't want to kill civilians, no.
The time spent trying to understand them? Also not a waste of time.
You assume people means literally everyone. But it is true that he spends time with people to know them because he needs the feel to be able to murder them at any given moment if needed.
>You assume people means literally everyone
I don't see him spending time with Soldiers
Ruffians
Thieves
Law enforcement
All he ever does is menial odd jobs for the commonfolk and pet cats and dogs, AKA "people of this tranquil world"
I mean his job before the war starts is literally "the dude they send to kill bandits"
>He doesn't wanna murder civilians
Then how does this make any sense? Most of the time he would only be interacting with civilians for prolonged periods of time and the only time he would have to use his sword to fight would be on random ronin or troublemakers with his part time job with the constable ,people he doesn't learn anything since he;'s already cutting them up
If Iori was some spy behind enemy lines with unknown people in unknown territory then i can understand this mindset ,but he's not
Are you illiterate? He wants to understand people so he knows how to defeat them. (In general.) There's nothing about wanting to massacre civilians. That's just something you inferred.
>character drawn like a girl, people reference her as a girl, it's actually a boy
>character drawn like a girl, people reference her as a boy, it's actually a girl
>character drawn like a girl, people reference her as a boy, it's actually a boy
Wtf