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It's over
Don't worry about it, you have no stake in it homosexual.
Yoshida LITERALLY told me to spend 600+ dollars to support the game
You're fricking moron. When this huge homosexual told me "buy a ps5", I told him "I'll cancel my PC subscription for FF14".
[Sad News]
They bled XIV dry for that so they probably don't care that much on that regard.
Hopefully this teaches them that straying too far from their roots is stupid. Next FF needs to go back to the basics.
Open world, turn based, grind fest, materia, and finally and most importantly KNIGHTS OF THE ROUND
This but unironically
Your faith in SE is commendable.
Ah yes... FF1 vancian magic
Yeah looks at how much money being a PS5 timed exclusive helped them
>Approximately 35 hours to clear, half of the game is "watching" the story
Thanks, I hate it.
FF14 had no relic grind because of a god damn movie game?
Someone posted that it had a longer total cutscene runtime than MGS4, was that true?
A lot of modern JRPGs have a longer cutscene runtime to MGS4. The "all FF16 cutscene" videos also pad them out hard with the in-engine stuff where you're doing quests for people when you get to a new town.
>210 million in a week
>he thinks devs get all the $70 out of a sale
That isn't how sales work in any industry.
From Google Translate:
>Approximately 35 hours to clear, half of the game is "watching" the story
>It can be inferred that a huge amount of development costs have been invested.
>Recently, games with a high degree of freedom have become hits, such as the "Legend of Zelda" series and "ELDEN RING", which professed to be influenced by the Zelda series. Compared to them, FF16 is the opposite game.
lol
Next FF confirmed for open world ubisoft tower shitfest
Open-world FF is best FF
current year open world is a totally different thing but i could see them taking inspiration from this
They already kind of did with Octopath Traveler.
Octopath is legit the best final fantasy in over 20 years.
I'm talking about making an actual 3D AAA mainline open world FF game, free roaming with airships included
I think it would be possible to gate progress to an extent through vehicles; first thing which comes to mind:
>Start in Continent 1
>Get Ship which allows you to sail to Continent 2
>Get Airship which allows you to fly to Continent 3
Octopath is the worst game I've played and doesn't even comes close to be as good as the worst Final Fantasy
Oh, someone actually speaking truth, Octopath is terrible game, yet some jrpg shills still are not ashamed of calling it at least good, if not great.
I think people who like Octopath has some really good parts and some really bad ones, so whether you like it or not depends more on what you focus on.
KEEP
FF has never been open world. There was more freedom to explore and backtrack but you could never just go wherever you wanted whenever you wanted until you beat the games.
moronic post to write while replying to a picture of the World of Ruins
Every FF, with the exception of 2 and 12, are linear until the last part of the game where the world actually opens up. Generally limited by what vehicles you have and the continent.
6 opened up late as well, but earlier than most FFs.
sadly this is exactly what SE will do instead of making the classic formula that everyone wants
that's closer to the classic games than final corridor button masher edition
Why bother making a shitty, half finished game?
Thiley already did that with 15
Yeah but how can they be that incompetent twice?
>ITT shitters who have never played the game just parroting what other shitters say
People were shitting on FF15 because of its empty bare bones open world map from the start and now they're shitting on FF16 for the completely opposite reason??
What the frick wrong with nips!?
Making a bad linear game is not the solution to making a bad open world game.
Both of them are shitty action games in a series that was turn-based for 20 years.
The opposite of a bare bones open world map isn’t a bare bones linear map.
15 haters were a vocal minority 16 haters are the silent majority. Simple as
15 haters were largely mmo-gays with an axe to grind against the new FF.
No it was notably bad and unfinished at launch.
FF14 players were some of its primary buyers, same with FF16. My whole ass FC is playing it.
>15 haters were largely mmo-gays with an axe to grind against the new FF.
Oh this is an interesting and brand new FF conspiracy theory. Where in the world did you get it in your head that apparently it was MMO players that hated 15? The MMO players are largely siloed off from the normal single-player FF players. It was largely the classic FF fans that hated 15.
Most of the MMO players couldn't be bothered to get off their damn MMO. The only reason some of them are paying attention to a SP FF now is because this last one was headed by the MMO guy.
absolute fiction. MMOBlack folk were seething at XV because they didn't want to be "overtaken" by a new FF. They seethed at 7R the same way
what?
what fantasy world do you live in? this is weird.
>mmoBlack folk trying to revise history now
kek
everyone who was there knows
I'm an XIVgay. While I don't particularly like XV, I like it better than XII, XIII, and XVI.
again, what? I don't play MMOs, I've only played the single player FFs. Again, what are you even on about?
the amount of random shit you morons are trying to start with other fanbases is getting unhinged lmao
For everyone who is confused, this here is Barry (or possibly someone imitating his mannerisms for trolling purposes). He turns everything into being about the MMO, even if it makes absolutely zero sense.
Ignore it, it's as dumb as it sounds.
i don't think he even plays any video games any more he just spends all day doing this, he didn't even play forspoken
>he didn't even play forspoken
No one did
also true
>he didn't even play forspoken
After all the shilling he did for it, that's be hilarious.
LMFAO good yoke anon here's the (You)
Everyone hated 15, not just the exwowgays
>16 haters are the silent majority.
Damn imagine living in such a bubble
If only there was something between an empty open world and corridors, sadly these are the only map designs that exist
>implying there's no enormous Grand Canyon sized middle-ground between the two
They're shitting on it because it isn't fun. Open world and linear games are both fun if the actual content is fun.
My question is did they hire market analysts from netflix and disney? You can't spend nine figures on development and release trash without the trash being some woke crap that blackrock is paying the difference for.
>People were shitting on FF15 because of its empty bare bones open world map from the start and now they're shitting on FF16 for the completely opposite reason??
No they're shitting on the FF16 map because there's fricking nothing in it.
>FF15 because of its empty bare bones open >world map from the start and now they're shitting on FF16 for the completely opposite reason?
becasue now is an empty linear game
just make a good world full with nice content.
it isnt that hard elden ring and zelda did it.
I love that tons of elden ring fans would tell you that the game was amazing despite the mediocre open world but you have game journos literally saying that elden ring's open world is the best thing ever made, revolutionary even
Shit is moronic
can't they go back to vii and viii?
exploring was amazing?
like hell, even DQXI has better world to explore than xvi
Zelda won
>Inferred
So there are no real numbers and this is all baseless speculation?
yup
it's a jappo clickbait article
Terrifying, isn't it? The cursed destiny of Ganker.
Weird, because an actual google translation of it, which I posted here
says none of what you just posted except the bit about the cost of development.
so 350m sale + sony exclusive fee are not enough.
>350m sale
?
>350m sale
The ENTIRETY of America has bought this game chud.
He's a moron who believed that "3 million units ˢʰiᵖᵖᵉᵈ and sold" cope release that Square did.
Would have made more without the exclusivity.
I hope that ESG check was worth it.
>ESG
?
>not releasing on pc
Why are sonybros so stupid they know they do beyond well on pc
Sony is the LGBTQ platform, so they wanted to test the waters in a safe space
Sony paíd a shitload of money for the timed exclusivity. The game doing it's development costs back is the least of their worries
>get 100mil from sony
>lose 200mil in sales
bravo..
That's Japanese devs for you haha...
And do not forget that the majority of power who like Yoshi are huh PC gamers. They shot themselves in the foot with that deal.
>100m guaranteed from Snoy
>lose 200m
there is not a single chance this game cost 300m to develop, has any game ever cost that much?
>he doesn't know
kek
that aside, anon is talking about 200 million in lost sales
Sony accidentally revealed that TLOU2 and Horizon Forbidden West costed $200mil each.
So yeah, definitely.
Wasn't that BEFORE marketing?
Yes. IT was about 220 mil each without marketing costs.
>delusions of grandeur
Either way, your shitty devs have signed their own death warrant with this flop
>delusions of grandeur
Because SE has all those other great revenue creators like FFXV, SoP, Forspoken, and Marvel!
Western slop game != JRPG, sorry bud.
I doubt XVI cost anywhere near as much. Those games had full motion capture and animations and hired expensive voice actors, FFXVI doesn't seem to use any mo-cap and all the VA is from unknowns for the most part.
That said, I can see it being well over 100 million to develop, but definitely not anywhere near 200mil, that would be shocking.
Holy fricking shit the need for another TORtanic has turned this board into a cult
The funniest thing is the fact that game is still alive and making money.
I don't give a single shit about TORtanic.
I will just never agree with them turning Final Fantasy of all things, into fricking action games.
And so I'll shit on it.
Funny how the Yoshida wienersuckers act like literal cultists here.
wow a new IP address latched onto a post mentioning cultists to in turn call him a cultist, never seen that before; not suspicious at all moron
Surely more people will buy PS5 to play our shitty movie that comes to PC next year.
so they think people will buy more PS5 in the future for xvi?
if people were hyping this game like they hyped elden ring or zelda i could see it but right now tons of fans are calling it a good game, not amazing enough to invest 600$
>so they think people will buy more PS5 in the future for xvi?
in japan, that was the plan. They obviously know the lack of PS5 sales, and thought their game was a system seller
could've made for a better game if they weren't so shy about squeezing more out of ff14.
add shinryu, transformed emet, hydaelyn's dumb dog, and athena's wings as store mounts and just try again
you get the dog in msq moronchama
I would have bought a copy, but I'm on Xbox. Sorry, dudes.
At least post the google translated article next time, AI spam bot.
I bet she was more zit than girl after that.
>Release it as exclusive
>For a console people still barely got hold on due to scalping
>Get surprised it doesn't make costs back
Oh no no no no
>But according to Square Enix's prediction, having spend an enormous amount on development costs, even if sales increase at 2023's end-of-year shopping season, it's thought that they still won't have made a profit.
Oof.
>made a bit over $200mil
>still wouldn't have made a profit after 6 months
So... I wonder what those operating are like then. TLOU2 and Horizon apparently took $200mil each, if this shit costed more than that, then...
Well, I think some suits are gonna be real fricking pissed lmao
Least obvious Barry bait thread
What do you think is going on inside his head right now after the reception and eventual poor sales of FFXVI?
He is usually very open about negative reception with FFXIV but this was his huge ego game. Do you think he will be hush hush? Pretend it was a massive success? Or will he admit that it was a dissapointment
Doesn't matter, he's going to resign with an apology. Or get fired. His choice really.
Will resign within the next few years after he gets zero big projects to work on. WIll move on to gacha shit and fall out of relevance.
He was literally addressing every criticism the trailers, previews, and demo got. Why wouldn't he address the full games criticisms? And the game is not a flop so I don't know why he'd be upset about anything
Preparing for his standing ovation at Fan Fest later this month.
>Say the price, Square.
I hope Squeenix learns from this lmao yeah right
Never take Sony's money
Give us the option, Square.
No one cares about dq
I care
I care. Im playing it right now
>I'm having more fun with DQ 8 than FF16.
lol
Should i play the og or remake? I got filtered by dq7 as my intro to the series
3DS version has more equipment, 2 more characters, but the graphics are bad and they censored some stuff, like the warrior girl and the new girl that can join your team.
>We never got a proper HD release on Switch/PS4
the frick?
Dragon Quest doesn't sell very well outside Japan.
They've tried a number of times, but there's something about the game's base design that most Westerners just don't give a shit about, unfortunately.
They fricked it up by not selling those during the Dragon Ball era in the states.
You shouldn't play either because DQ8 sucks but if you have to play 3DS so you don't have to torture yourself with random encounters.
>DQ8 sucks
Okay you're cut off, never offer your shitty videogame opinions again.
shit combat
shit story
shit characters
shit pacing
shit inventory management
Just because it was the first JRPG you played as a child doesn't mean it's good.
It is not the first, not even close.
It's a fantastic game and everything you listed is objectively false.
trying too hard.
>dq7 as my intro to the series
YIKES
why would you do that? Do you hate yourself?
If you didn't know better, I'm sorry.
I'm a little surprised they haven't ported the DQ stuff to xbox too just to increase the franchise playerbase.
FF is like 10x the DQ playerbase despite DQ STARTING it all. The early FF games are objectively better, then the DQ games get objectively better in the mid series.
Just port DQ fricking everywhere to increase it's popularity already. It's some fun stuff. Generic, but fun regardless.
But it is on Xbox. It has been there for two years. It was on Gamepass for over a year.
I shit on both 15 and 16 and have never played either. I haven't touched a single FF after 13.
Yeah man, I'm sure all the Final Fantasy I fans were eager to play Final Fantasy XV, it's obvious the game appealed to them.
FFXV, whatever else you can say about it, had a 10/10 trailer. I was hyped for it.
Meanwhile, I knew XVI would be bad because every trailer for it was bad.
>Xbox trannies making shit up to cope as usual
What FF game was the last good one?
12, but it's still a controversial one.
XIV, unarguably.
15
i dont care tbh.
Tactics Advance 2
Now play it.
I FRICKING KNEEL LIGHTNING CHADS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIEEEEEEEEE
Lightning chads keep wining, doesnt look like Clive is getting anymore games
XIII and it’s sequels are unironically great.
Eh.
for all its faults they tried something new. People complain about having to read data logs for lore but at least it wasnt like 15 and made the lore in things besides the game. And it wasnt as derivative as 16 being, "hey you know game of thrones? what if we did that and sweared a lot"
I still can't believe square let that moron get a fricking trilogy.
>14 is burning cash at a rapid speed
>tell Toriyama to spin up a trilogy of asset flips
>he does it and generates a ton of cash to "save" the mmo
Lightning is better than Final Fantasy 15. But Noctis have Tekken7.
Is this one of those cases where Ganker hates a game but everyone else loves it?
Rare case where everyone hates it.
>everyone hates it
anon, need to get out of the Ganker bubble
Influencers are not real people anon. Also at least on Reddit 16 gays get incredibly upset if you say anything negative at all.
The fanbase being annoying is partially why they this game has bombed.
Go back
Seethe.
>Influencers
what in the world are you on about? nobody was talking about influencers
What reddit is ok with negativity?
Usually you can at least say something before they get triggered but try saying you don't the world's and see how quickly they go feral.
Them and journos have been the only ones sucking it off since it was announced.
That's why people are saying you need to get out of the Ganker bubble, becaues that's blatantly false and easily seen
the main ff sub is 50/50 on xvi
That's probably good for the main FF sub.
Yea, playing with AI sucked. But then other players could be plain bad. Still fun though especially with the warm healing.
A lower budget FF game with less emphasis on graphics might be a good idea...but then World of Final Fantasy and Strangers of Paradise didn't exactly set sales records.
Hey not the first post from this IP and no. Yoshida has bigger ambitions than just FFXIV. Go spend your 1500 tomes on the relic quest.
Kind of. Sony's $100M marketing budget didn't hurt.
Eh, not really. They've clearly pulled people from XIV in recent years. Almost all of 16's senior staff are former XIV and not just Taki and Maehiro. There are also other names in the credits that were there as recently as Endwalker. But 16 also pulled in from LP and CBU1 and Platinum and KH, so it's not like XIV was alone to bear the burden. Besides, it turns out 16 was delayed for EW to be done right.
>13 comes out
>everyone but Ganker praises it
>history vindicated/ v/ as the games was shit
>15 comes out
>everyone but Ganker praises it
>history vindicated Ganker as the game was shit
>16 comes out
>everybody but Ganker praises it
HMMMM.
Okay now include all the ToRtanics Ganker has called which succeeded.
None of them, we're always right.
It has a 8.3 on metacritic. Look, I don't care about this game but the only place where I've seen so much hate towards it is here.
There's no way you can believe what you're saying. It's getting hate on every single website it's discussed on, even dedicated sites like the ffxvi subreddit. Before you quote its metacritic average, why don't you actually read the user reviews: the negative ones are pointing out the flaws, whereas the positive ones are just trying to get the average up.
I actually checked their subreddit and the transition from optimism and expectation to disappointment and coping in some cases is hilarious
Litteraly ignore him. He's been shitting up these threads for so long that he got lost in his own sauce
>remove all the negative reviews
>s-see everyone loves it
You need to understand that if FFXV wasn't released broken on launch, with several DLCs that contain the story which pissed people off, it would have gotten a 90. Game sold extremely well regardless of the negativity on release too. The entire reason it's score is an 81 is because none of the DLCs are included and all of the DLCs, anime even movie are integral to a story. It's why they're anti-dlc now they realized it turned out really bad.
Literally, no. The game is a massive bomb, and user scores have been abysmal.
>Barry cope
It's not universally praised outside of Ganker, but the general consensus was it's a good game but it has flaws. I saw some anons say that reddit hates it, but when I bit the bullet and looked to see what reddit shitting on a game looks like, the worst I saw was it's worse than the demo but still good. So to answer your question, Ganker is over hating the game like usual.
Useless post because reddit and other normalgay websites always love the overmarketed AAA games.
Square Enix needs to cut ties with sony, they're a fricking cancer that is trying to to destroy them and frankly the whole industry.
Sony is just as bad as Activision, EA and Ubisoft.
Who's worse with criticism?
>TotKgays
>FF16gays
I wonder how much of a toxic ripple will roll through the industry for Sony when the Actiblizz merger passes and they get hurt by it (e.g.losing privileges and incentives for Playstation to be the go-to CoD platform, getting far less easy money from CoD sales and microtransactions, etc).
Good, now they can finally put the game on PC after the massive PS5 flop.
Maybe if they added… even more gays?
All and all Final Fantasy 13 is the best game at this point of Square Enix.
Sovl?
13-2s soundtrack is extremely underrated
For me, it’s paradigm shift.
WORLD'S COLLIDE AND PEOPLE FADE
SEEKING GATES AND TIMELINES WE HAVE PRAYED
LET'S FIX THE PAST TRADE IT NOW TO SEE SMILING FACES
THIS HOPE THIS HEART OF CHAOS
CANNOT TAKE
PARADOXES MUST BREAK THIS IS THE PATH I MUST TAKE
MY DESTINY MAY CHANGE YOUR FATE
THE PAIN MY HEART FEELS
IS
MY
STRENGTH
…that’s not paradigm shift but ok.
>FF16 to not make its development cost back
Good thing all of squareenix's gacha games cover costs
Make PC port and put on steam, simple as
You mean make a PC port and put on Epic as epic exclusive
>Epig
Not a Nomura game.
16 wasn't made in Unreal Engine, though. There's a real strong possibility it wouldn't be Epic exclusive.
I'm absolutely disgusted that one motherfricker is trying to make some weird console war fight between two games on different console. Whoever you are, you fricking b***h, stop with the fake Xeno3 fan shit. These are two different games release, in different years and have nothing to do with one another. You are not a real fan, just some fricker trying to cause some weird war for your vendetta.
>PS timed exclusive instead of selling this on PC
It's their fricking fault for being moronic
Nintendo does fine without PC.
Ok. What reddits allow that?
Stupidpol I guess.
Cope the game would be selling if anyone wanted it. If it's not doing well that's because it's not.
>cope
?
We're talking about people liking/hating it, not people who bought/didn't buy.
Word of mouth dictates sales more than anything else.
naw. hype > word of mouth
for the majority of games the most sales they get is in the launch window
The Witcher 3 didn't get to 20 million sales from launch or hype, anon.
yeah there are exceptions that prove the rule. the only final fantasy that followed that trajectory was 14 at it was a shit show at launch that needed years of polishing before it turned a profit
I am a neet. I got my copy 2 days late and just finished today. Your average gamer is not finishing XVI any time soon unless they rush through the main story and do nothing else. Word of mouth takes time.
Bold of you to believe that normies finish games.
Frick, you got me there. It's probably too long and too autistic for most of them so word of mouth wouldn't even be good unless their favorite e-celebs suck it off.
And word of mouth would say "wtf this game is boring" and stop playing at Mid's fetch quest. Watch the rest on YouTube and trade in the game.
What the frick were they thinking with that mid quest shit? This is probably where many players gave up on the game.
Don't know but it's horribly places. Should have been done over time to make it feel organic.
I’m enjoying it enough. I understand it’s flawed but people gotta stop shitting on it like it’s the worst game ever.
There’s a time and a place to hate on a game. And this is not it.
This is the first FF game with explicit homosexuality in it and you can’t make me not mad. I just wanted to play video games
I don't see how my criticism's impact your enjoyment. If you're having fun - good for you.
>There’s a time and a place to hate on a game. And this is not it.
No, I think directly after public release is the exact time people should voice their praise and criticisms.
Nintendo also makes good games unlike SE. If you have a mediocre game like FF16, more platforms is an ok solution.
Good.
Frick linear "games".
Frick "cinematic experiences"
Frick Square enix
Frick snoy
Pro open world games like Hogwarts Legacy and Genshin Impact?
Breath of the Wild launched on the Switch with no install base.
One reddit down. Only a million to go.
Absolutely. Your gif easily shits in any modern sony "game".
>What is FFXII
moron. Also by linear I mean a fricking corridor like FF 13, FF7R and FF16, those are so bad it's offensive.
In older games at least you had the option to ignore the main questline and go look for cool gear and hidden bosses.
Modern FF is shit for moronic gorilla Black folk such as yourself.
I honestly cannot say that I hate nintendo, but the fanbase is absolutely insufferable, yes, and Nu zeldas are absolutely overrated. Their franchises aren't for me, but at least they move the industry forwaed with shit like the switch.
Sony, on the other hand, it's 100% cancer. I can't think of a single "game" other than Tsushima that's not a low-effort, ESG-approved, pseudo-intellectual "cinematic experience" piece of shit.
>Also by linear I mean a fricking corridor
I know what you meant. Come up with a new term to describe that.
Every Final Fantasy game is linear, you mouth-breathing moron.
>B-BUT NON-LINEAR IS WHEN OVERWORLD
No it fricking isn't. Non-linear has one and only one meaning: a game in which you can finish required objectives out of sequence. There are no games in the Final Fantasy series that are non-linear.
Not one.
Not one single entry is non-linear.
The first Final Fantasy game is non-linear once you get the nitro powder (which is after the second boss)
6 is nonlinear for fully half of the game, or if you wanna be technical you can say that you can finish it once you have 3 characters and the falcon and the rest of it is side quests, but it definitely doesn't feel like side content when you're playing through for the first time
I gave enough of a shit about the cast that I wanted to see all of their side stories. They even made side dungeons that didn't have anything to do with characters interesting,like the ancient castle with Odin becoming Raiden via the queen's tears in cutscenes
Frick Nintendo.
They spent north of 200$ million on it and released it on a console with the smallest install base out there. This is as stupid as when Sega released Shenmue on the Dreamcast only (they managed to release the 2nd game on Xbox, which was even worse).
I can only hope that Square Enix will likewise fold up and get bought by some stupid pachinko company.
The people who think this game will sell well on PC are idiots. Game has too many unskippable cutscenes to replay, most optional content is boring and pointless gear system is terrible.
To top it off STARFIELD is releasing in September. If anybody wants to mod a game it will be that. Lastly, Baldur's Gate 3, if it has no grievous issues, will make everyone forget this "action rpg" exists.
7 rebirth too in winter. New marketing cycle for this will lead to people "forgetting" XVI
if it did release day 1 on pc it would have sold more. maybe double. now that they hype has died down and everyone has seen the cutscenes releasing on pc won't save it. it might be able to do an extra million if they discount it
Bullshit.
Pc homosexuals would pirate the game or find an excuse to not play it like every other game ever.
Skyrim fallout Witcher total war xcom and a shit ton of other games do well in it.
Yeah. Nerd games do well on pc. FFXVI isn’t nerd core. It’s super action packed and intense.
If it sold day 1, it'd be getting massive refunds on Steam. Its actually lucky for not being on PC, why? Because people would have massively sent out negative reviews. PC gamers unironically have the highest standards. They would've felt scammed.
PCgays are stupid. What's new?
Here's what the chuds on 5ch have to say about this news.
>Even if you tell me to experience it because they won't make money off of it...
>Squeenix who understands that games only sell at release and at the end of the year.
>Movie Yoshida who says that it will continue to sell across the year.
>Why can the internals of the company agree with each other?
>Sold 3 million and still in the red, how much did they spend on development costs www
>Still in the red despite help from Sony?
>I don't understand where they spent the money. The outward advertising was handled by Sony, did the spend it on shills? But, that's what Squeenix always does.
>It's already been said they spend a lot on development, but hearing straight out that they're in the red has impact.
>Half-a-year timed exclusivity hurts bad. They should at least release PC port by the time Thanksgiving hits.
>Even though sales won't even pick up w
>Is them being the red including the money they got from Sony?
>It's not much different from Bayonetta 3, so did they really spend that much money?
>Give up on FF16 and make it back up with FF14.
>Even if sales pick up at the end-of-year shopping season, by then it will be in the bargain bin for 1000 yen. The price is already dropping now right after release.
>They should just put the Final Fantasy name on a low-cost RPG like Neptunia.
>Yoshida: "I plan for it sell long-term over the year."
>The road to profit is a long one.
>It's not like kids games, a boomer isn't going go "it's Christmas, time to go buy a game~" if he wants it he'll just buy it right away
>If they made FF16 thinking it would sell then they're delusional. If they made it thinking it wouldn't sell then they're insane.
>Them still being the red might just be speculative news, but even a monkey could see that it didn't sell as well as they hoped.
>If they can sell 3 million and still be in the red then the project was fricked from the start.
>Yoshida is moronic so I can see him saying "We're in the red so please buy it" Hype to see it.
>Forspoken already bombed before FF16 so they're still feeling that.
>^ From the way it's written the talk is just about FF16, so Po-kun is unrelated.
>All their new games like Babylon, Forspo-kun, and Balan are bombs that put them in them in the red, so they have to fall back on DQ and FF to profit and put things in order. But now even FF bombs and it's come the time they have to profit off of mobile games and online games.
>If this is their super title then stop making games. Even indies making games that hit the mark better.
>They focused so much on Garbage 16 that 14 hasn't had an expansion in a year. The playerbase is drying up because of the trickle of shit content, the fever is already over and it's all downhill. Yoshida can just frick off already.
>Why did they think a moviegame would sell?
>They looking towards the shopping season when the game will already be fermenting in the bargon bin...?
>Has there ever been a PS game that picked up in the end-of-year shopping season after sales already fell?
>終わったな
>Why did they think a moviegame would sell?
So even Japan is aware of the moviegame concept...
Moviegames don't do well over there, they're aware of it being kusoge.
Mobile is king in Japan. Gambling is what wins over Nips.
People are stupid. They also probably think Rebirth is coming to PS4 as well.
The samurai can detect the israelite
is 5ch full of tendies?
No, that is just Barry posting on vpn
t. Barry
>BARRY BARRY BARRY BARRY BARRY
Criticizing XVI makes you Barry
Your a fricking schizo sucking Yoshit piss daily, seek help.
have you ever seen the famitsu threads?
No, give me a rundown
nintendo has 90% market share in japan
Yea, which shouldn't be surprising. Nintendo dominates console in Japan.
I'm pretty sure 5ch just doing its usually hate thread. When a group of users hate something, they make multiple threads hating it. Some can even go up to 100. That's right a 100 threads hating on one thing.
Shit's fricked if it's gotten to the point where people are suggesting to do an Compile Heart tier budget game.
>FF[15/16/7R] are just hated because Ganker wants another Tortanic!
>FF[15/16/7R] are just hated because of MMOgays!
>FF[15/16/7R] is just hated by FF[7R/16/15] fans!
All cope.
They're hated by classic FF fans for not being turn-based games.
>But FF was always about innovation!
Another cope. FF was a turn-based franchise for 20 years and all innovation was within this turn-based paradigm. Turning FF into an action-RPG franchise isn't innovation; there are dozens of other action-RPGs out there.
>Even if sales pick up at the end-of-year shopping season, by then it will be in the bargain bin for 1000 yen. The price is already dropping now right after release.
This game is truly dead.
You gays are so tiresome at this point.
You must be new here, because this has been the way of Ganker for a long, long time now. Also, this is a shitpost sales thread.
Don't worry anon armored core is next you won't have to worry about us soon the shitposters will vacate once that game starts ramping up the marketing a bit.
I’m ok with FF being open world. As long as nomura is involved.
See: final fantasy VII rebirth.
Dog shit.
>He thinks Rebirth is open world
Oh man, that trailer really baited people.
Wait how linear can it be?
Is it FFX level of linear, or FFXIII?
13
Fricking stop it. That's not what the term linear means. Linear has nothing to do with level design. You can have a game take place entirely in a hallway, and that has nothing to do with whether or not it's linear. Linear refers to objectives, not levels.
Yes and previous FF have had non-linear objectives and you're a disingenuous homosexual to pretend it didn't happen.
>FF have had non-linear objectives
No, they didn't. You could explore the world map, but you always had to do the main story in order.
>Midgar > Kalm > Junon > Cargo Ship
Now compare that to a game like, say, Dark Souls, where you can literally play levels in any order you want, provided you're skilled enough.
>No, they didn't. You could explore the world map, but you always had to do the main story in order.
Optional characters like Yuffie and Vincent that you can get at different times, tons of places like gongaga, wutai, fort condor etc that you can choose when to go to
nobody wants it to be a breadcrumb game like skyrim either, just a little freedom to mix things up
I'm not disputing that the hallway design of X, XIII, and XVI are terrible. I'm just taking issue with you guys diluting the term linear.
there's a wide range between linear hallways and breadcrumbs in an open world
You're the only moron arguing semantic over this shit, everyone else understand what it means.
And everyone else is wrong. Words have specific meanings.
VI had some non-linear elements, particularly in the World of Ruin. But that doesn't transfer over to IV, V, VII, VIII, and IX.
>Words have specific meanings.
The word "linearity" is hundreds of years old and has nothing to do with video games. If someone says the LEVEL DESIGN is linear, they are applying the word's definition to the LEVEL DESIGN.
>If someone says the LEVEL DESIGN is linear
No one has ever said that, because the term has only ever been used one way in the context of video games. It's literally only in discussions about
>MODERN FF VS CLASSIC FF
that you idiots start misusing the term linear. Stop it already. Just stop it.
The overwhelming majority of JRPGs have linear objectives, people have been using linear to describe JRPG level designs for decades. FFX was called linear compared to older games and that game is 20 years old. Don't bother replying, I'm done arguing with you, disingenuous homosexual. Picture is my proof.
No, they haven't. Linear only has one meaning and one meaning only. Level design is not a part of it and never will be. The classic Final Fantasy games are linear, and if you describe them otherwise, you're a zoomer who needs to stop using words he doesn't understand.
FF1 is completely non-linear once you get the canoe, which is the halfway point of the game. Your objective is to defeat the four elemental fiends and only the Earth fiend is required to be beaten first. After that you can get the canoe which lets you either go beat the Fire Fiend or go get the airship. You can skip the Fire Fiend and get the airship first and once you have the airship, you have multiple tasks required to do to be able to go fight the Wind and Water fiends, and those can be done in any order. The game doesn't get linear again until the very last dungeon.
More linear than both really. It has open areas but there’s nothing to do in them. Pulse has way more things to do than the entirety of XVI
LINEAR DOES NOT REFER TO LEVEL DESIGN YOU STUPID FRICKING homosexual
The world linear is not unique to gaming (its earliest recorded uses date to the 17th century) and its definition can absolutely be applied to level design.
>progressing from one stage to another in a single series of steps
Exactly. That describes all Final Fantasy games and most JRPGs in general. They are linear, because you proceed from one stage to the next in sequence. A non-linear game allows you to choose the order you complete each stage.
Suck a dick homosexual
Kinda hard to point to a single game, but it's most like 12 in terms of the area itself, but it's NOT open like 12 where you can go anywhere as long as you can get past mobs. There are blatantly blocked off paths until later, and other areas not unlocking until certain points in the story.
It's nothing like 13. 16 actually has towns and interacting with NPCs.
Nothing has come close to 13 in terms of linearity. YET.
So it's a mildly open world with interconnected levels/maps? Doesn't sound very bad.
I've been playing it for 2 days having never played a FF game before or gotten a new game since ER and it's fun. It's a movie where you get to do the fights and look around. It doesn't pretend to be anything other than that.
as if not more linear than FF13
Both 10 and 13 are more linear
Can fricking mods start nuking Final Fantasy threads already? Theres 2 FFXIV and 10 FFXVI threads at all times
Holy frick this astroturfing Yoshit Piss cultist threads are getting annoying
Yes we need even more Zelda threads yipee
> STOP TALKING ABOUT A NEW VIDEO GAME IT'S DISTRACTING FROM MY TWITTER THREAD
Anon, the games literally been out for 3 weeks and theres multiple threads about the game.
Frick off already to /vg/
>3 weeks
are you a time traveler?
Frick off you homosexual, go suck some more Yoshit wiener to feel good about only 3 mil sales
Enjoy the last Final Fantasy you frick
And thus does Bazzy reveal himself because he can't contain his spergery for more than a few posts.
It's sad you disregard every argument to just Barry, it's no wonder this shit game sold only 3m and was the 2nd lowest sale in japan
Anon, you're responding in a chain where that other anon absolutely sperged out because someone asked if they were a time traveler because he said it released 3 weeks ago. It released a week and a half ago.
A normal person doesn't sperg out like that over a super lame joke.
weird reaction to me pointing out that you saying 3 weeks was funny, since it release a week and a half ago.
calm down anon, there is absolutely zero reason to be so serious about an FF discussion. Especially fricking FF16 of all fricking things, jesus
>Enjoy the last Final Fantasy you frick
Isn't that what we've all been hoping for?
SE also loves timed exclusives with Nintendo.
That might be okay for now assuming production rolls straight into the next game and not something like Forspoken.
Yes, yes.
FF15 was the most ambitious.
They got an MMO that's doing fine. Making MMOs is hard and while SE has a good track record (3 out of 4), the one that failed really hurt the company. They don't mind licensing out their IP to other companies though like the Chinese developer that was gonna make a FFXV mobile MMORPG.
Yea, SE is in a pickle. It's done fairly well with mobile games and MMOs. The rest has been pretty uneven, but they're still dumping a lot of resources into traditional, stand alone games.
I don't want another fricking Yoshit Piss gay sex bullshit hbo if he makes FF17, his ass should have been fired the moment the pre orders were shit
The most soulless Final Fantasy to date.
>the moment the pre orders were shit
...in Japan
They were worried about the preorders in Japan.
what did he mean by this
Call the Mods.
You should go play it again.
It's not a gif. It's a webm and if it did shit on a Sony game, you would be playing it instead of posting in this thread.
Gamers want a lot of things from SE. Mostly things SE can no longer deliver. I don't think any of them who are upset at incomplete traditional games are looking for live service games and FFXIV has yet to peak with another decade of full service planned. There's not gonna be a new MMO anytime soon. New mobile games, sure. SE loves to shit out those.
Take it to SE HQ. I believe in you, anon!
Maybe square Enix should make a mobile action mmo then with a switch port perhaps.
It seems like square Enix don’t really know what they’re doing right now. All I want is a co op kingdom hearts action game where you make your own character and team up with friends to defeat heartless and whatevers. Instead they’re giving us fan service nobody really cares about.
So who's the Squeenix rep that actually says "we're worried this game won't be profitable this year" because I ain't heard shit
>needs a suit to announce public failure
>metrics etc. are ignored
kek
Yes Black person I need a specific face and name to pin on this statement instead of trusting a website's say-so
I'm not interested in your circlejerk about the sales-figures and metrics and other number-crunching fricking autism, I want a source on this specific thing
I really doubt Yoshida would have been publicly praised if the game was a bomb.
FRICK OFF
WHERE IS SOURCE
WHO SAID THIS THING
WHO SAID THIS VERY SPECIFIC THING
I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR homosexual SHITPOST WAR
Anon this is a shitpost thread why are you trying so hard to find a source? You think this thread was made for literally any other reason? It's like the fifth "FFXVI is totally massive commerical failure!" thread today alone.
listen dude 70$ X 3M = 210M$ at least if your ignore deluxe edition sales, now Sony takes 30% of that so that leaves 147M revenue for SE, i assume this game didn't cost anywhere near 100M but let's say it did, that's 47M profit in a week!
but never mind kids keep shitposting and fapping until you kill your libido and troon out.
And that's for digital, physical means they need to have a lower price for retailers and transportation fees, etc.
Dude ever since covid hit and even before every VG company in the world knew that physical media is dying and the people who care to still buy it are very few, I'm talking 10% and less, see sales graphs of VG from various companies balance sheets including SE, so of course you bet your ass the Japanese who are very israeli about costs would know to keep your physical copies to a bare minimum, see the biggest israelites in the VG space Nintendo and what they do with their physical copies like that emulated 3 Mario games that has very few physical copies and those "classic" emu boxes.
My calculations are not far off take off a couple of mills for the 500k or so copies they've did.
Didn't retailers take like 50% or some shit? I remember it was a pretty fricking high cut.
Nah they take around 25% on average. But other costs like packaging and distribution are huge as well, easily eating another 20% if not more.
>what is PR
How many of you actually have a fricking twitter account? I didn't realize Ganker had so many of you, I gave the benefit of the doubt that most of the tweet shitposts were people just seaching out the tweets and not actually following stuff
Yes and no. SE has an interest in making sure Yoshida looks good because he's also the face of FFXIV which is still doing the best its ever been. That said, I don't think XVI has done poorly so far, but if it dies off as fast as FF7R did, that's worrying.
No.
Check the PS5 trophy percentages for the story progress. It's okay. No big drop offs. Well, I don't think so.
Mediocre games don't sell well on more platforms. Didn't help Saints Row or Forspoken or Gotham Knights. You're dumb.
It seems like gamers want square Enix to do a live service game that isn’t shit considering that their more complete one and done games aren’t doing as well.
How would you feel if they made an action mmo? Would you play it?
Le anonymous source came to website and gave them this news...
Any official bad news will make its earliest appearance at the next quarterly financial report in a few weeks.
What is she? A zombie?
Maybe, maybe not. I'm sure the XIV crowd will be pretty welcoming, but there has also been some discontent. I don't think it'll be an issue if the fanfest delivers.
I really don’t care about the sales of a game that isn’t getting a direct sequel
>Source: trust me dude.
>B-but these slant eyed ching chongs said so! They speak Niponese!
Yawn fanboys and mentally ill people who can't move on and resist change with all their might also exist on the islands that follow the teaching of a spoiled rich brat who never wanted for nothing and decided that being miserable is the truth of life! Go fricking figure.
My God you people are miserable and you'll continue to be so, finished the game 2 hours ago and started NG+, good game that kept me interested for almost 2 weeks, final play time was 73 hours maybe around 3 of those it was idle as took a shit or answered my phone/messages, gonna play some Mario Galaxy 2 when i wake up.
I don't know why i still visit this shithole filled with kids young enough to be my children! and some old literal virgins who cry about the past non-stop.
It's not about change that's not the complaint, FF fans are used to the series changing in some way with every single incarnation, But it's because it's shit, not different.
>It's not about change that's not the complaint, FF fans are used to the series changing in some way with every single incarnation, But it's because it's shit, not different.
I'm sure you played it poorgay-kun.
>even thinking about the cost of a game as a barrier to entry
Absolute projection
how can you get pass finall fanstasy 1. there ca n only be one final fanstasy .
Can’t you homosexuals just enjoy a game regardless of sales
No, I dont play games that sell like shit.
What a profoundly sad statement.
A very specific Australian and his weird simps are dedicated to making sure that doesn't happen.
kinda funny how quick they are to throw around the word cultist, exact same behavior as those dudes calling people pedos getting arrested for cp
really noggins the joggin
I think the most jarring thing is that for all his dedication to being the most insufferable queer alive about the personality he's currently downloaded off of the Playstation Store, he doesn't actually care that much about whatever it is he's obsessed with. I remember he turned his socials dark when Gankerirgins found them and privated all his online accounts so nobody would see he's actually not played Forespoken, for example.
he didin't even 100% XV from what I remember lmao
Macca?
No. I want square to die.
Why is that?
The 7 remake is desecrating the memory of the original and I can't have my way no one should.
>can you homosexuals enjoy a bad game
No, they should've just made the movie they wanted to make
IF GAME SELLS IT IS SLOP FOR NORMIES AND SUCKS
IF GAME DOES NOT SELL IT IS SHIT AND SUCKS
IF GAME EXISTS IT IS POZZED
IF GAME DOES NOT EXIST IT IS SCAM
ONLY WINNING MOVE IS NOT TO PLAY
What the absolute frick is this picture? Did some con artist grift Pepsi out of a stack of cash to make a moronic marketing memo?
oh man you are in for a fricking ride
https://www.goldennumber.net/wp-content/uploads/pepsi-arnell-021109.pdf
Essentially the guy that made the Pepsi logo that's still being used right now is a lunatic. They'll be migrating over to this logo after a while which is more or less their very old one from the 60s and 70s.
Everytime I read through that memo I remember that I am poor and the man who wrote that is rich and this causes my great anger and dissatisfaction with the world and the people in it
Well we did just get Oceangate recently.
>equal logo with strong red and blue coloring instead of 2010s App Icon-Approved!™ semi-faded colors
>bold logo font; still fairly plain but definitely more appealing than all-lowercase minimalist san-serif crap
Nice to see some kind of improvement. If there's gonna be corporate bombardment everywhere it may as well at least be somewhat visually pleasant. Although jesus christ what were Pepsi thinking with Starry? What's the actual story there?
It's from a report that pepsi spent millions on to design their new logo. It's full of esoteric nonsense and gibberish.
I would have enjoyed the game a lot more had I not spent $75 on it.
I see a lot of maybes in that sloppily translated article.
Looks more like the author's guesses than hard facts.
They'll sell a ton more when exclusivity ends. You guys don't even know how much snoy paid them for exclusivity, I'm sure SE isn't the one losing.
I think Yoshida is counting on that because he often tried to temper launch expectations and talked about an 18 month plan for selling the game. 18 months is plenty of time to wait out exclusivity and port the game to PC. First collecting Timmy's money then farming Steam buyers and double-dippers.
if money is truly tight they can shove it on game pass after for good measure. kinda disgusting how many ways there are to profit off a game without having to even sell any copies.
So like every FF except XIV.
Gav and Clive have more chemistry and sexual tension than Clive and Jill
I noticed that too.
FFXIII unironically has better facial animation than this game.
I like how most posts went from thinking the game was going to save square before launch to forspoken levels of criticism
most posts ARE made by somebody whose favorite word is "cultist" after all
that and "valid criticism"
Because it currently looks to be right on track with 15, for better or for worse.
15 released to 7% of the console base it was released on.
16 released to 7.5% of the console base it was released on.
This doesn't look like the FF that's going to "save Final Fantasy", it looks like it right on track to be no different than 15.
Kneel
Why is Squeenix insisting so hard on signing exclusivities? It's fricking Final Fantasy.
Timed Sony exclusive, timed Epic Store exclusive, when it finally reaches Steam sixty years later, people have lost interest.
The amount of money companies like Sony and especially Epic are throwing around it's stupid not to sign these deals. You can basically ensure your game is a success before selling a single copy.
This game tanked with deals, but yes signing them gives you some aid if they suck.
Because they get paid guaranteed money up front. It's a sure thing.
Because it's free money, that's it.
Oh well. Clickbaiters will have to wait a long time to shit on the next one.
It was obvious this game was a bomb the moment they dropped a press release that combined shipped units with sold ones.
That is pure fricking transparent fud of the highest order.
The least ambitious Final Fantasy...
Guys. I have an idea.
Full blown final fantasy game. But with like…GATCHA. And optional online co op.
And the combat is REAL TIME, CARD BASED GAMBLING
I think they have that already. Maybe.
Well, you better make sure FF dies faster then. Start bringing down FFXIV. It's what keeps CBU3 afloat.
I enjoyed Comrades a lot. I really felt the XV team should've done something more with it after development on XV DLC ended. It's a real shame LP ended up shitting out Forspoken.
He's crazy, but that's okay. We're welcoming on Ganker.
I would have liked comrades a lot more if I had people to play it with
I really wanted a comrades like mode for XVI.
Just imagine making your own character and doing missions with friends in this world.
Did they shut that Comrades mode down for 15, or is that still running? I never got around to trying it
They released a separate stand alone version that’s still running.
The version within XV itself isn’t available anymore.
If you plan on trying it out let me know. I’d be happy to play it with you. I think it’s like 5 bucks.
Awesome, thanks.
I don't have time to be playing it currently, but I'm hoping I can give it a look in a few months
Action pivot into ff16 was the right move. It’s basically a dragons dogma/dmc/asuras wrath hybrid and it’s great for it. Turn based, rpg stats, and grinding are all a gigantic waste of time. Get fricked jrpg nerds.
Agreed.
If XV had this kinda combat I’d fricking love it.
Fricking hate FF14/FF16 fricking homosexuals who just played Final Fantasy and try to rewrite history
>Final Fantasy was always about cinematics
No it fricking wasn't, 16 is the absolute worst offender in the franchise
>Final Fantasy was always linear
All games start linear then open up, 10 started the trend but still had more options than Shitixteen
I'm a 14 homosexual and I've played nearly every Final Fantasy game. I even played Crystal Chronicles, I bet you didn't do that you absolute sperging homosexual.
>open up
Flying around a static world in an airship isn't opening up.
>a static world
You definitely didnt play the old games you bullshitting c**t
You brought nothing to the fricking table, 16 did absolutely fricking nothing, it has the least amount of rpg elements, nothing in this shit game has an progression and everything is handed to you on the a fricking plate. You might as well just equip easy mode, makes no difference in the fricking game.
Then do something about it. You're being overrun by the horde of 14/16 homosexuals. Fight! Stand your ground and never let up!
>Final Fantasy was always about cinematics
>No it fricking wasn't, 16 is the absolute worst offender in the franchise
Okay, as someone who's been playing since 2(4) on the SNES, just wanting to clarify on your thing right here.
16 isn't that different from the story-based FFs that started to take hold from 4 and on. The difference is that a lot of those scenes are voice acted now and we don't have to press the accept button to progress the dialogue forward. Largely fulfilling the exact same role.
Yes snes had text boxes and that you had to read, but the majority of main story still had less action taken away from you compared to FF16
FF16 literally has you watch cutscenes for over half the game.
youngins dont' know "no action, only reading/cutscenes"-level that is Xenogears
>we don't have to press the accept button to progress the dialogue forward.
You fail to understand that there is a difference between voice acted lines that's were fricking had in other AAA titles for decades, and being unable to skip a Spoils screen after battle, being forced to have a cutscene every time you walk through a door like it's Re4, having a cutscene before every mob, having a cutscene after you kill a trash mob. Oh and don't forget being forced off of your fricking chocobo in ABANDONDED VILLAGES trash zones with nobody in them but enemy mobs. Yet you can't ride your chocobo.
People pretend as if voice acted cutscenes are brand new. Witcher 3 had ALL voiced npc dialogue and so did Elder Scrolls Skyrim, Dragon Age Inquisition. Yet none of those games make it as excessive as this one
>Oh and don't forget being forced off of your fricking chocobo in ABANDONDED VILLAGES trash zones with nobody in them but enemy mobs
nta but this is a literal non-complaint. there are like three abandoned villages in the game and most are them are usually way out of your way and you'll never visit them unless you're doing a sidequest. this is literally just a nitpick complaint to try and make the game sound worse.
>NO CRITISISM ALLOWED
Black person, just say Barry at this point
It happened to me multiple times doing side quests and bounty hunts
Don't forget also that if you start dialogue with an NPC or if you're having Dialogue while running or riding the chocobo THE GAME FORCES YOU TO SLOW DOWN UNTIL ITS FINISHED. You can't quickly run away from NPC dialogue because the game forces you to be grounded and slowed until they shut up or you finally sludge away.
This game forces you to waste your time and play longer for nothing and it's unforgivable.
>I play the game in it's entirety
>um you have no right to complain about content
>avatargay from the last thread
have a nice day
>posting pictures from the game is avatargayging
Are you a fricking idiot? Go back to r/eddit or Twitter wherever the frick you came from.
anon, not comparing to those voice acted scenes. We were talking very specifically about Final Fantasy. Early story-based FFs were always very narrative heavy, but the difference being very long expository text boxes that you pressed accept on rather than watch a voice-acted cutscene without having to press accept.
unless you're the worlds biggest fan of 1 and 3 only they have absolutely been heavier on cinematics starting with 4, you don't even start out being able to move Cecil around
times change Black person, we don't make 8bit games anymore either, gonna cry about it?
Obsessed
>Unironically arguing the definition of linearity so you can pretend there's no difference in linearity between classic and nu FF.
I told you I wasn't going to buy a PS5 for this. You didn't listen.
>Joshua is literally dying with th Ultima inside him
>decides to journey with his brother after not being with each other for 18 years
>the same brother who has been simping for Joshua
>Joshua says he's enjoying traveling with them
>Clive turns into a total A-hole
YEAH ASK GAV IF HE'S CARRYING ULTIMA INSIDE OF HIM TO SAVE YOUR SORRY ASS YOU PRICK
It's little crap like this that throws you off this game I swear.
i'm glad product i don't like from corporation i dont't like failed
only products i like from corporations i like should succeed
corporations are my friends (or enemies)
Hey guys just stopping by to ask that since FF16 is done can we have our developers back for 14? A lot of veterans and leads were siphoned off to work on a pointless single player game and we'd kinda like them back now.
PS: Stop siphoning money from our game to fund flop after flop please.
Thanks!
can we reach an agreement, I never want him to work on anything but 14 again either.
No, your devs will be fired. Your mmo will be cancelled. And finally, the MMO-menace will be purged from FF.
They'll make another one but more predatory.
cope and seethe
>Your mmo will be cancelled
>SE cancelling one of the only things holding the company up
You know I could see them dumpstering 14 and going all in on NFTs because they're that fricking moronic
I think Yoshida would actually start firebombing the company if they tried to kill his game.
Nah, cramming it full of NFT shit. NFT gear or something.
Or just putting it on maintenance mode and announcing Final Fantasy XVII, the new MMORPG from not Yoshi-P.
14 isnt really doing much for them anymore, the idea that it's holding SE up is complete bullshit. Their main money maker is merchandise. People buying $400 Tifa statues and shit
It's another one of FFXVI's big failures, nobody wants the merch now, let alone being something that will sell 20 years from now
FF17 will be MMO
Hope it’s an action mmo.
Autobattler.
>We've determined that buttons proved to be too difficult for the average player and a huge accessibility issue, thus all abilities will activate the moment their cooldown expires and under the correct conditions.
>Furthermore, combos such as 1-2-3 were difficult to remember, so we've simplified them down to a single ability cast.
>Our playtesters also brought up movement and travel, now instead of freely moving around, you instead choose a path for your character to automatically follow!
>We hope to see you all in our new and exciting adventure in Final Fantasy XVII: The Reborn World
I would be shocked if 17 was an MMO. 14 hit its stride in the last expansion in terms of users, and as stupid as Square can be, I can't imagine them self-cannibalizing like that until 14 starts dying off.
I dunno what the hell is running through the heads of people that think "XIV's development staff was parasited off for XVI"
That hasn't applied for like 6 years by this point, they fricked off during/just before Heavensward
Final Fantasy hit it's peak with the ps1 games because it was when technology, ability, and ambition intersected perfectly to showcase new 3d graphics without over indulging and being gay. In that sense it was about cinematics, but the main driving force seemed to be willingness to change, and emphasis on story.
>when a mario rpg remake is going to outsell your mainline FF
It already has more preorders than 16, a game you can literally play right now
Shows how far Final Fantasy has fallen.
Shows how shit gaming has become more like
Yeah a square enix game
It’s literally been a week and a half
It's already over :'(
you only get the spoils screen on quest encounters or boss fights, you don't get them after killing random trash mobs. you shouldn't talk about games you didn't play. and you're able to attack from the your chocobo, you don't get forced off wandering into trash mobs
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lol
I love it when these guys get caught in a lie and just carry on like nothing happened, you love to see it.
GOOD. I hope whoever wrote this game burns in the deepest layer of hell for all eternity. I fast forward through the credits, I skipped the post-credits scene, I didn't even bother creating a clear sava data slot, because FRICK playing this monotonous, overly depressing slog of a video game. I can forgive the spectacle kaiju boss fights. I can forgive the lack of party members. Game wants to be Devil May Cry with pretty boys, FINE. I get it! But Jesus Tapdancing Christ this ending made me want to dropkick an infant!
All of this chad energy from the protagonist, all of that epic orchestral music intermingled with the choir singing in latin had me pumped. Yeah, the gay and Clive's brother bit the bullet. But that just meant Clive was going to save the day and make it all worth it in the end! Right? RIGHT?! NO OF COURSE NOT, BECAUSE FRICK EVERYTHING HAPPY IN THIS POST COVID, POST MODERN, EVERYTHING MUST END LIKE END OF EVANGELION, LET ME SUCK YOUR wiener GEORGE MARTIN DYSTOPIAN HELLSCAPE KNOWN AS 2023 EARTH. What is it with Jap devs falling for this meme trope time and time again? First FF15, and now this? I haven't felt this cucked watching a girl leaning on a railing next to a dog since Dark Knight Ingrid Episode 4! WHAT IS IT WITH THESE ASSPULL SUPER SAD ENDINGS THAT COME OUT OF FRICKING NOWHERE?! WHO IN THE EVERLOVING FRICK HURT YOU SQUARE-ENIX?! The 90s are over, your economic woes shouldn't be that bad anymore, you can stop making edgy shit in anime and video games any time now you soulless bugmen! I swear to frick if the next Final Fantasy doesn't end with the protag and the love interest righting in an RV with the plucky sidekick behind the steering wheel, with Fortunate Son by CCR on fullblast, and the two of them are porking each other hardcore behind a curtain on a foldout couch while the vehicle drives of in the sunset, a third nuke is going to be the least of your worries you unholy sacks of shit!
>game mentions suffering
>escapism addicted gamer triggered
it's time to go outside and defy your destiny, anon
I sincerely hope you and your entire family die in their sleep tonight.
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>I haven't felt this cucked watching a girl leaning on a railing next to a dog since Dark Knight Ingrid Episode 4!
Fricking KEK
console exclusivity kills games now, it's not 2010 anymore. They should have delayed it and released on all platforms, yes even Xbox. Would have cost tens of millions more to port it to pc / xbox but they would have sold millions more copies on release.
I enjoyed FFXVI though, but they shot themselves in the foot with this timed exclusive bullshit.
>console exclusivity kills games now, it's not 2010 anymore.
every switch exclusive did well
more like, console exclusives don't work for AAA budgets.
Switch is a different beast entirely though, Nintendo has always been exclusive for its games and has a massive fanbase, the largest in the video game industry by far. Tens of millions of more switches exist than PS5s. Not to mention because the demographics swing mostly to children / young adults they will sell more from parents buying games as well as adults, whereas a game like FFXVI is targeting adults only and only on one platform.
It's really comparing apples to oranges. Nintendo simply has a much larger market, and as much as FF is a household name, it's no where near as popular as Mario / Zelda / etc. It's more akin to Metroid as a series and probably sells similarly.
Anon, the GameCube and Wii U kind of destroy that argument.
>a game like FFXVI is targeting adults only
It's targeting younger people.
Yes, it's terrible at targeting them, but it's targeting them.
what the frick makes you think "younger players" doesn't still mean "young adults," we're talking about a man in his 50s describing current generations of gamers
Nintendo exclusives do fine.
Honk honk.
True.
I think you want the Persona 5 ending and not Royal.
And it's still console exclusive. It also didn't work for the Wii U, Gamecube or N64. And far more PCs and mobile devices exist than Switches. Which is all to say exclusives are a good thing when they work. A bad thing when they don't.
hardly anyone bought Wii Us man, meanwhile the switch has sold more than like any other console in existence. It's not a fair comparison.
nta, but I was curious so did a quick check.
Holy crap did Wii U do like shit. I knew it was bad, but not this bad.
Wii U: 13.5 consoles sold
For comparison...
NES: 61.9 million
GameBoy: 118.7 million (Holy shit, and this was WAY back)
SNES: 49.1 million
GameBoy Advance: 81.5 million
N64: 32.9 million
Gamecube: 21.7 million
Wii: 101.6 million
DS: 154 million
3DS: 75.9 million
Switch: 130 million
So it's making a LOT of sense why Nintendo moved in the direction they did with Switch. Their handhelds have ALWAYS sold crazy well. Why wouldn't they turn their main console into one that doubles as a handheld?
the switch is a huge success for a reason, they managed to merge the portable and console market into one device and it just works really well at everything it does.
the only thing it doesn't do is satisfy graphics prostitutes that have been clueless about what nintendo "is" since 2006
Sony sisters, why did we fail Square Enix? They're the only company that still supports us after Fatlus, Falcom, Nippon Ichi, Gust and Compile Heart/Idea Factory betrayed us.
>one game will kill this company! it's ogre!
One game's failure doesn't kill a company, multiple failures do.
Tell us what the previous failures would have been, Bazzy boy.
Forspoken
Forspoken
Babylon's Fall
Marvel avengers
SoP
Babylon’s fail could have been my dream game. But they screwed it up so fricking much.
13
13-2
Lighting Returns
more recent than that, stupid
With any ruck, Naoki Yoshida will follow the same career path as Shinji Mikami now. He'll go on to make his 'God Hand' and everyone will hate it but Ganker will love it and he will be redeemed without ever actually being successful again.
They should have done everything exactly the same but had no voice acting, and hipsters wouldn't be able to talk shit about it.
Seethe you moronic newbie
They clearly set up XVI to have a sequel, there are lots of hints but it's a shame it will probably never get one. I know so many people are shitting on this game for various reasons, some legitimate, others pedantic, but I really liked it. The debate seems to stem from more traditional Final Fantasy fans who wanted a return to a more traditional, turn-based party-centric FF, and those who really don't care such as myself.
If it wasn't a final fantasy game people would probably like it more, because it kind of isn't one, but at the same time it is and you can definitely see all the elements of a FF game in it. It's popular to hate things these days too.
Personally, I make up my own mind, don't read or care about reviews and I enjoyed FFXVI. Not a perfect game by any margin but I really liked it, even the story and characters. It has some of the higher production values for any FF game and you can tell. There's some cheese in it, and some simplicity, and way too many cutscenes and some annoying things that slow down the game but I can look past those flaws and still enjoy the game for what it is.
All of the above said, I am playing through NG+ right now and while I'm still enjoying it, the flaws of the combat become more and more apparent the longer you play it. NG+ just doesn't have enough variety since you're not learning the new abilities over the course of the campaign thus giving me no reason to experiment anymore. It's really annoying having every boss fight come down to just doing the same things over and over again with little to no variety since I know which powers are the best to use in every situation. The Eikon fights are honestly the highlight of the game and even if they're not very challenging they're still very fun and full of spectacle.
I guess I just kind of like movie games too, always have and XVI fits the bill for me.
To me the incessant "It's not a real Final Fantasy game!" and comparisons to previous ones are what make it a Final Fantasy game since almost every game in the series since the mid-90s has had that looking-backwards comparison and weird attempt to gatekeep it from its own franchise
With that logic then any game could be Final Fantasy and there's no reason for games to share the name (or not). It's pretty disingenuous, there's a huge difference between "This one is different because the setting/character/customization is different" and "This one is different because it's in a different genre"
16 feels as bit of a final fantasy as any game post 10. Think about the common threads that bind 7 to 12. What makes 16 different?
The lack of Facial hair.
>Think about the common threads that bind 7 to 12
Being able to change my party members
Being able to equip different gear to my party members
Having direct control over all my party members
Being able to go back to previous areas
Having more than 1 female in the party
Choosing what my character does through a menu
Yeah no shit, Final Fantasy has never had a set convention, it's had recurring elements and self-references. Final Fantasy 2 is a prototype for the SaGa series. The change-your-class Job System wasn't added until FF3 and was heavily restricted until FF5. Only FF6 and FF8 have the Esper/GF system. Only FF7 and related games have a Materia system. Only FF9 adopts the weapon and spell learning being tied to weapons from Tactics. FFX outright abandoned ATB and doesn't have level-ups proper, it lets you move places on a skill tree. FF11 and FF14 are MMOs from different eras and of entirely different gameplay molds. FF12 is likened to a single-player MMO in general purpose. FF13 is a hallway. FF15 already tried the action-game thing.
What's disingenuous about FF16 not going for any previous gameplay mold in particular when "doesn't really do what forebears did" is what every single Final Fantasy game does? Even if you want to use turn-based and ATB as a goalpost, that came to a screeching halt with FFX, which came out 22 years ago. 22 years ago this trend started, and more time has passed between then and now as has passed between FF1 and FFX.
homie no one hates the core combat. It's everything else that people hates
That goalpost just sailed off into outer-space somewhere.
Frick you
Huh? FFX is turn-based too
It also has a heavy focus around turn manipulation and doesn't behave even remotely close to any other game in the series, or even really to most other turn-based games.
It's just a rip-off of Grandia II's system.
Who cares? Not the point.
OK... and? "Oh it's turn-based but done differently" is not completely different than the rest of the series and it's still way more similar than a fricking action game.
>"Oh it's turn-based but done differently"
that's selling it a wee bit fricking short don't you think anon
No, I don't think so. It's still the same genre. Octopath Traveler and Bravely Default have way more difference in their battle system but they still appeal to classic FF fans because it's the same type of games.
What IS your argument? "FFX is turn-based BUT it lets you manipulate turn order, therefore, it's okay for FF16 to be an action game"??? Besides, you can already manipulate turn order in previous games with Slow and Haste.
>What IS your argument? "FFX is turn-based BUT it lets you manipulate turn order, therefore, it's okay for FF16 to be an action game"
I didn't write a long post for you to be an absent-minded dolt who can't scroll up and substitutes my opinion with something he read in the past twenty seconds.
I ignored most of your post because I think that what defines Final Fantasy is the turn-based battle system with a command menu, and in your very own post you said
>Even if you want to use turn-based and ATB as a goalpost
Therefore everything you said previous to that can be ignored because I DO want to use turn-based and ATB as a goalpost, so your argument is
> that came to a screeching halt with FFX
Which I disagree because FFX is still using that form of battle system, as did FFXII (I ignore FFXI since it's an MMO) and even XIII to a degree (though with only one character)
When I pointed out that FFX is still turn-based, you replied
>It also has a heavy focus around turn manipulation and doesn't behave even remotely close to any other game in the series, or even really to most other turn-based games.
Which I called bullshit on. Letting you manipulate turn order and a few other differences doesn't make you not even remotely close to any other game in the series. It is, in fact, pretty fricking close to the rest of the series.
>Oh it's turn-based but done differently
Engage with the actual argument or frick off. Not interested.
No it fricking isn't. It because of everything but the combat. Everything else is what's terrible.
The characters are pretty good especially Clive. The setting is pretty cool. Graphics are really great, as is the art direction and design. The world is pretty cool and there's a lot of great lore and world building in general.
What exactly are your issues with the game? Did you actually play it? It's OK if you dislike it but why do people go out of their way to get so offended and angry about shit that doesn't matter?
>The characters are pretty bad especially Clive. The setting is shit. Graphics are really awful, as is the art direction and design. The world is shit and there's almost no lore and world building in general.
FIXED
Everything you just said. I hate clives bersia cosplay, muscles, and his fricking which no it has ever had before. I despise the art direction. I hate the level design and tacked on rpg mechanics. But most of all I hate how fricking long it is.
Facial hair which no ff mc has ever had before.
Not the first post from this IP, tl;dr.
And there are far more PCs and Mobile devices than Switches. If Nintendo ported their games there, they'd make even more money, but they don't. If they ported their games to Playstation and Xbox, there's another market as well. Minecraft and Fortnite are on every platform imaginable and they're doing great.
/v/, lying? How dare you!?
I think Clive is a fricking moronic meathead for most of the game. He seems bright and intelligent at the start and then competent at the end. Kind of. He's still a bad boyfriend to Jill, but Jill's stupid as well, so they go well together. But I did like this scene and how Jill had to say something in case two braincells accidentally rubbed up against each other in Clive's head and he understood what Madam was saying to him.
What’s the deal with Ganker hate for this game? I hate nip bullshit nowadays. This game is fun to play and falls pretty much inline with a lot of the series with cool boss fights. It’s the best final fantasy since 10 to me.
Nintendo board.
1. Mass Effect 3
2. KotOR 2
3. FF16
Square-Enix has finally done it. They made it into the top 3. Congratulations!
You need to watch this cutscene after every mob battle for a quest, hunt, or anything story related and you can't skip it. You need to be forced to see it all play out.
it's not even long enough that i'm annoyed by it tbh
about as long as a victory screen in FF9
When you've seen a screen hundreds of times that says nothing new you skip it. Period. It's an issue if you cannot skip it. That time adds up and most people slam the skip button on these screens.
Did you play any ps1 final fantasy’s plus 10? It’s literally the same shit with victory screens
You can skip them.
The skipping doesn’t go as fast as you remember it does
Well they were bland boring scenes that slow the combat then appear, then spoils maybe a level up screen you can't skip.
Yeah, it was really fast and not as bad as this already forcibly slow game.
>selling almost exactly how much they expected to sell
>shipped physical copies almost sold out
>over 3 million sales reported so far
Yeah, I'm gonna have to say you're full of shit.
Instead of using the jump button X to also function for climbing ladders, walls, sliding in between narrow pathways, they made it all automatic. Jumping is basically useless.
Imagine thinking this is good game design.
Yes you have to press X and R2 to open every "heavy" door
Google Translate photo for those of us who don't read moonspeak.
Barry, you're mentally ill.
When you call your chocobo it comes and then you mount it. When you dismount the chocobo runs away. So instead of just dismounting to open a chest and remounting you need to call the chocobo again
Not as good as Verum Rex
guess they should've added black people
I cant read moon runes
Can't speed up voiced dialogue on NPCs so you might as well not talk to majority of them. Why waste time hearing something unportant.
"voiced dialogue" done wrong, what a joke
Why the frick doesn't this game have Gilgamesh & Enkidu fight Clive & Torgal?
Dlc?
Get some sleep, losers.
it's not night time in a certain funny continent, strange how these threads pick up speed in this time frame
must be the wind