hello non new ip suggesting that other people are doing the thing you're doing, but on opposite day. how can anybody say this shit with a straight face with all the doomposting spam threads is beyond me.
Physical versions in general are only like 25% of game sales now, so the UK charts are pretty irrelevant.
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But also kind of this. I had a friend, casual normie girl who only plays JRPGs, reach out and go "I didn't know this was out!" So, their marketing team are clearly shit (and probably bad at targeted ads in an internet age).
Mainline Final Fantasy has lost so much brand power and visibility it's insane.
Physical versions in general are only like 25% of game sales now, so the UK charts are pretty irrelevant.
I didn't even know it was out.
That's how much I give a shit about ff.
But also kind of this. I had a friend, casual normie girl who only plays JRPGs, reach out and go "I didn't know this was out!" So, their marketing team are clearly shit (and probably bad at targeted ads in an internet age).
>Physical versions in general are only like 25% of game sales now
Only if you count every single game that is sold on the console. New released Triple A with physical releases are still far over 50%. For Nintendo Switch that number iseven 50%, even if you add all the the indies to it, because it sells most of its stock in JP where everythings still physical.
I'm Barry btw.
Switch can store 3 games before maxing out it's storage capacity, along with Nintendo's absurd capacity to nuke an entire consoles online storefront once they're moved on to the next generation.
Did you completely miss the part where Nintendo are horrible for legacy store items on consoles that aren't current gen? There was a whole fiasco over Wii U digital titles not that long ago, and it certainly hasn't been the first time Nintendo pulled that off.
They took themselves way too seriously with the whole "Le Awakening trailer" shit
FFXIV became a success after they put in the money to do silly stuff like this and spam it all over youtube
It's almost like there's other factors at work instead of game quality. Like it's not as if we're in a major recession or anything worldwide and ppl only buy bare necessities instead of expensive frivolities, oh no.
I bet the economic climate of 2016 is completely compatible with the one from 2023. Let's disregard PS4 and Xbox One's combined installed base in 2016 too and just compare that 1:1 to PS5's installed base in 2023. I'm sure this is all a fair comparison.
The cost of living meme makes no sense when Street Fighter, Zelda, Diablo and even kusoge like Wo Long are doing record numbers for their publishers moron.
> kusoge like Wo Long are doing record numbers for their publishers moron
First, Wo Long is not 'kusoge', it's a great action game. Just cuz it's not as autistically complex as Nioh doesnt make it a bad game. It was never meant to be.
Second, no, it did not do 'record numbers'. It got a marketing deal with Microsoft to put it on Game Pass and I think it sold like 1 million copies. Not sure how you would call that 'record numbers'.
That guy is wrong about record numbers but Wo Long was KT's second-fastest game to hit 1m copies sold after Nioh (2 weeks). That's still impressive and speaks to the market's continued upward momentum post-COVID. It's okay that XVI underperforms. XV was a sales juggernaut + was on multiple consoles with higher install bases.
>The cost of living meme makes no sense when Street Fighter, Zelda, Diablo and even kusoge like Wo Long
This, the problem is not that physical games sell less, it's that currently there are less games worth buying in physical.
What's the sales right now? Didn't hear anything anymore after the 1 million announcement.
Is that really 'record breaking' or is that par for the course for one of the top 3 fighting games on the market? Outside of Mortal Kombat and Tekken there isn't any other fighting game that sells (no, Smash isn't a fighting game)
Explain shit like elden ring and fricking hogwarts then. Hell, we dont know the total sales yet, but totk sold 10 fricking mil in just 3 days. This is pure unadulterated cope.
You cannot compare FromSoft/Souls to Final Fantasy.
Back in the '90s FF was one of the heavyweights, today it's FromSoftware/Souls. Armored Core 6 will sell 2 million guaranteed at launch. Their reputation and stature in teh industry is such that they can carry a shitty mecha game to over 2 million at launch.
FF still has better name recognition than either of those though, hell FF is more widely known than Zelda. If Zelda can make 10m in 3 days FF should be making that much
No, it doesn't. The last Final Fantasy game to have universal recognition was X, and we only had 2 legit releases since then, and both were fricking abysmal. Combine the bad pedigree with 16 taking a radical departure (one that is actually really fricking good considering it's the first real attempt at it) that can further alienate what dwindling following the series holds, and it legitimately might take some time for people to catch on.
FromSoft have releases SEVEN Soulslike games (if you count Sekiro) in the span of 14 years vs Final Fantssy releasing 3 true single player games in 23 years. It does not have a wide following.
Bull fricking shit. FF has always been a huge franchise for Sony and the fact that 15 sold as well as did despite being shit proves that. Truth of the matter is, elden ring blew their previous sales out of the water, while FF is shrinking. Why cant we fricking compare them?
Elden Ring had more marketing hype from that first teaser
It's almost like there's other factors at work instead of game quality. Like it's not as if we're in a major recession or anything worldwide and ppl only buy bare necessities instead of expensive frivolities, oh no.
I bet the economic climate of 2016 is completely compatible with the one from 2023. Let's disregard PS4 and Xbox One's combined installed base in 2016 too and just compare that 1:1 to PS5's installed base in 2023. I'm sure this is all a fair comparison.
>Final Fantasy XV - ~120.000 units >Final Fantasy VII Remake - ~60.000 units >Final Fantasy XVI - ~30.000 units
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Bros... Barry might have won...
https://twitter.com/Chris_Dring/status/1672991348734017544
XV was marketed for over a decade and was supposed to be a ps3 game. It sold well, yes, but ruined the series reputation. Forspoken is the final nail in the coffin for everything Versus 13.
goes to show how much 15 destroyed people's trust in Final Fantasy
True for me at least. FF15 is the reason I don't preorder games anymore period. I remember trying to play 1.0 on my PS4, fricking unbearably buggy and incoherent incomplete trash.
I had dogshit NA internet with a 2gb cap back then so I couldn't download the day one patch. Crashed almost every hour (I am not exaggerating this), glitches happening constantly, story made even less sense because there were no cutscenes for some things.
Off the top of my head, the "cutscene" that was just clips of the kingsglaive movie showing Insomnia being nuked and the king being murdered wasn't in the game. You just get the scene with the newspaper that says "EVERYONE'S FRICKING DEAD" and that's it.
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Anonymous
The game also ran like absolute shit on a base PS4. Most FFXV fans are hilariously dishonest and pretend royale editoo was the day one.
>Explain shit like elden ring and fricking hogwarts then.
Not that anon, but it's fairly obvious. Those games were cross gen, multiplatform releases. FF XVI is a current gen only and a timed exclusive. Pretending that they are somehow equivalent is kind of sad.
You and every other poster that makes it your life's work to b***h about games on Ganker and then have the gall to accuse other posters of being dick-riders needs to have their fricking fingers broken
NOOOOOO YOU AREN'T HATING IT BLINDLY LIKE I AM YOU FRICKING BOOTLICKER!!!!!! REEEEEEE
bad-faith criticism and bad-faith praise are two sides of the same coin. you can win out if you simply don’t let the newest product by a mega corporation become your personality
root the homosexualry out at the source, it isn't "criticism" if it's bad-faith, it's whining
11 months ago
Anonymous
but dont get butthurt if someone wlse criticizes the game, its even more embarrassing
11 months ago
Anonymous
if they get upset and squat in the thread for 300 more posts because they were called a homosexual they weren't criticizing it, they were whining about it
11 months ago
Anonymous
You're literally whining right now.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>but what about you though
suck the sweat off of my nuts, anon
hahahah keep coping you fricking homosexual, I'm glad you annoying stupid fricks are getting BTFO after all those months of you not shutting the frick up about this game
>I'm glad you annoying stupid fricks are getting BTFO after all those months of you not shutting the frick up about this game
Now THIS is Shazam-posting at its most delusional
(translator's note: Final Fantasy 16 threads were borderline nonexistent prior to the final trailers + demo)
So which is it anon were there "months of not shutting the frick up" or did threads only pick up any steam after the most recent media stuff
I was in those threads and you are full of shit. The shilling started around the time RE4 was launching. And all you homosexuals did was talk about how old FF games were shit, turn based was shit, etc etc
>The shilling started around the time RE4 was launching. And all you homosexuals did was talk about how old FF games were shit, turn based was shit, etc etc
This didn't happen
Source: arch.b4k.co
shut the frick up about recession you moronic Black person
elden ring and totk sold one billion copies and PS5 and switch are breaking sales records
the reality is that nobody gives a shit about final fantasy 16
It kinda did, people grew weary of new ff titles thanks to XV, hence why they only released mobile crap and remakes after the tabata turd
Flopspoken was straw the broke the camel's back
Don't care, it's a pretty good game and I'm having fun with it. Even if the character action based gameplay is unique only for this title and they go back to heavier RPG elements for the next titles, it was still a nice deviation from the norm. This also doesn't retroactively make FFXV or Forspoken suddenly good, so Barry can shitpost all he wants, but he's a pathetic joke and everyone knows it.
I completely get why people are upset over the lack of RPG elements in an FF game, but saying there's a lack of progression is completely false. You're constantly getting or upgrading new abilities to customize to your playstyle as well as accessories that will make you prioritize certain moves over others. I haven't even gotten to the second Eikon battle and the wealth of different options in combat is great.
>Have the same 3 eikons for hours >only "progression" is adding more points to your sword >finally get Titan >you get 4 new moves >now stuck with that for hours and hours
The other guy is right. You just do the same combos on new enemies who fight exactly the same and who you can't bother to see anyways.
The fact it was middling game is irrelevant here. The point is the UK box sales were shite, and everyone went "It's fricking over!" And then it turned out to be one of the biggest releases of that year. >Anthem enjoyed the second highest launch-month sales in BioWare's history, only behind 2012's Mass Effect 3. It is now 2019's second best-selling game, trailing only Kingdom Hearts III. One caveat to mention with Anthem is that PC digital sales are not included.
Ironically, it still fell short of EA's expectations, which kind of shows how unsustainable the AAA industry is.
i really wanna understand what you guys get out of making a spectacle out of stirring shit, it seems so mind numbing to spend time being the equivalent of an internet mosquito
I fricking bought the CE of 16 and even I have been partaking in it. It’s actually a very good game to boot and much better than the previous four mainline games. But it’s like goading the sales gays into a never ending feedback loop while they act as an authority meanwhile being unpaid game analysts is just too funny not to
i know what trolling is and no one has ever been able to elaborate on what's "funny" about baiting reactions or even what the entertainment value is. is it just a power play thing because you figured out you can annoy people easily? it's one thing to frick with one of your real friends a little bit, but the en masse coordinated efforts to shit up an entire community of strangers for "yucks" is just bananas to me.
This isn't trolling.
It's just low-tier baiting.
Trolling is an art form, luring someone into an argument without them realizing you're taking the piss is trolling.
Why not join the discussion to defend the things that you like , seems like it's a waste of time to be here.
Even Barry found solace in XV
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Even Barry found solace in XV
His brain literally got fried because of that shit, if anything Barry is a cautionary tale to never get to much into a game
11 months ago
Anonymous
On Ganker? It's a waste of time 99% of the time because nobody is interested in an honest discussion or debate.
There's very much a point where somebody is compulsively posting about a topic and they're hissing out "I'M TROLLING YOU, YOU'RE GETTING SO FRICKING TROLLED RIGHT NOW"
I want Ganker to recognize there is in fact a point where the guy you're talking to is breathing heavy and very angry and doubling down on being a moron, whether he says he's funning ya or not
He is most definitely not just funning ya if you can recognize his patterns of speech and which topics he talks about across more than one thread about a given thing
an australian that championed ff15 so hard it made him moronic when it came out unfinished, a lot of shazam posters are adopting his name for their gay little internet fights
Let's be for real here, his "mature" FF would track closer to a seinen manga, or some JP theatrical production.
It'd be more dour than the average FF sure, but that'd be a completely different thing than trying to ape an HBO drama.
If Nomura made the game it would be a cheesy clusterfrick story filled with heartwarming cliche moments and bizzare nonsense.
So obviously it would be better than >DURRR I WATCHED GAME OF THRONES AND GOD OF WAR AND WANT TO COPY THAT
>DURRR I WATCHED GAME OF THRONES AND GOD OF WAR AND WANT TO COPY THAT
I wouldn't mind it as much if they actually watched it without having it fly completely over their heads lmao.
This, it's just different environments. Even if it were multiplat or if the PS5 weren't stuck in scarcity limbo I bet box sales would still be pretty "sad"
>console exclusive sells less than multiplat release >the console in question is only recently becoming more readily available
No way, how could this happen
Who ever made the argument for good level design for cbu3? actual level design in 14 is nonexistent. maybe in pvp maps, but even then they suck, especially that new re design of shatter
People talked how the game would have open zones with things to do. But every zone has nothing, there is almost no reason to have a chocobo in this game. Just random chest
The sidequests/side content in general are an absolute joke, you can tell this was made by MMO homosexuals.
The writing also goes to shit once they stop ripping off Game of Thrones in the intro.
I would say the themes are good, but they have no fricking idea of how to present them
It's like you keep changing tv shows with every chapter, never focuses in anything.
Most of the staff at SE is from Square tho. Enix didn't have any in house development team since they always contracted with outside companies to develop DQ. The new CEO of SE was from Square. The problem was Wada's philosophies instead of Sakaguchi
VII=60% anime
X= 80% anime
vg market = vg
vg+x=80% satisfaction
vg+vii(idiot tv boomer)=40% satisfaction
Can you even understand algebra, moron? only 40% of FF7 fans enjoyed video games which overturned the whole franchise.
Which is a weird statement because the guys who made those games are different than the ones who made X. So it's like complaining about DMC1 because DMC2 has things you dont like.
Like, whatever. I'm sure we hear people talking how ocarina of time or majora's mask as being bad. At the end of the day we know what the majority things.
I'm sure it bothers a lot of ff fans how X reached the same status that VII had in the ps1. If VII was the essential ps1 game, X was the essential PS2 game. The game that even people who would only play other genres would buy.
The FF fanbase is funny because in any other fanbase you would see them happy of seeing these titles thrive, but they get made because it was not their favorite one. "why wasnt 9 or 12? 10 is garbage"
11 months ago
Anonymous
x is a series of corridors sewn together with cutscenes
11 months ago
Anonymous
For sure. They still seethe at X being more successful with the corridor argument
"why my favorite game didnt became acclaimed as much"
When the point is how linear games wont bother people if they are well executed.
It shows how important pacing, character interactions, and a solid story can distract players from the same thing they dislike. Every chapter in XIII is two people whining at each other while they don't accomplish anything. You feel your life wasting away while watching these people just stand around. Thankfully the combat is fun.
People say a thing is bad but then call a different thing good, even though both things have something in common. They're all hypocrites and their opinions are worthless.
X had a better story
X had at least some towns where you got to interact with people
X had at least some okay characters
XIII was dogshit all the way down. People noticed it was a hallway simulator because there was literally nothing else to grab onto.
You started using entire different arguments, can you greentext the part where i said that XVI isnt anime? or that isnt a ff?
I will bet in you not being able to.
How embarrassing for SE. Everyone else is having their series pop off both critically and commercially. Mario, Zelda, Resident Evil, Monster Hunter, etc, etc
The worst part about this game flopping is the blame that the setting/style will receive and not just the bad writing and boring, shallow action combat. I'd like more future FF games to have the Tactics art style and hope we don't just have to be stuck with hyper anime going forward.
The story and combat is actually good, though. The issue is literally the bad name recognition and lack of some franchise features to help ease people into this new style, on top of having an extremely small Beastiary of mostly boss mosters you only fight once, and never see again.
Honestly that says less about XVI and more about how badly XIII and XV damaged the brand. Up until XII you could expect an actual game, now you only get glorified movies with sequel and spinoff baits galore.
At least that was the reason I didn't bother with XVI. But at least it didn't hide part of the story behind a fricking anime.
This is what happens when you release exclusively to the PS5, a system known for people not liking video games.
Nobody bought Demon souls remake either
If you played even half of this (let alone all of it) you are probably exhausted by now. This is assuming you also don't own a PC or Switch and played Diablo 4 or Zelda: ToTK which if you did you want a complete pallette cleanser.
Question: Assuming SE calculated the amount Sony would pay them vs. How much money they would lose being a timed PS exclusive, wouldn't they be okay with selling less than 15? Is it really so dire for FF bros? The game itself seems good
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The platform holders screwed over accurate NPD reporting over a decade ago, now we just get bullshit vague estimates like PS5 has sold the most units this month launched aligned or some horseshit.
oh hey remember how Japan also had to switch over to Famitsu's weekly sales reports because Media Creates' weekly reports became paywalled? didn't that start happening soon after the Switch began kicking the PS4's ass through its hat regularly? haha what weird timing.
damn that's sad. Pikmin isn't even a franchise that sells a ton of copies. I don't think any of them has sold more than 3 million copies. They usually do 1-2.5 million copies
Nintendo is so competent it's hilarious
Most recently they advised Sparks of Hope's devs to hold off until the next console was out for those fat launch-window "there's fricking nothing else" sales, were ignored, and Sparks of Hope promptly sold less than the previous game that released within the Switch's launch window
Sparks of hope sold less because that nasty habit of western publishers especially Ubisoft of slashing the game's price to half just a few months after release, right now I can get that game at $30 and I did, why should I buy it at day one?
say what you want about Nintendo but to them it doesn't matter if you buy a game on launch day or after a yer, you're paying full price.
>FFXVI will potentially sell less than a fricking persona and dragon quest game in its lifetime sales
Honestly sad. Barry had thrblast laugh and so does turnbased chads
It's literally already dying on twitch too. That's why you see all these shills on twitter trying to force constroversy with MUH REVIEW BOMBING to try and garner attention to the game. That's all ff weebs always do.
The big plan of yoship was to fix the mmo and deliver a subpar quality, but enough to be praised by its players accostumed with any mediocre content.
Then fool SE to the point of them giving him the production of a mainline FF game.
One that he would spend insane amounts of money with the intent to kill the franchise.
I have a friend with a PS5 and he literally only uses it to play chivalry 2 with me on pc
When I told him ff16 was out, he was like "oh yeah ?" and didn't even give a shit. The name final fantasy is just completely forgotten
Well, you can only expect consumers to be wary after getting burned twice in a row with 13 and 15. That's usually how it works with series that decline in quality, even if there's a good entry again consumers buy based on prior experience. Perhaps FF17 will have a better reception since 16 has shown that the series won't be dogshit forever.
So who is taking over the franchise now that Yoshida had his chance in the sun and failed?
Is there even anyone in Square left that has the potential to make an actually good FF game
>UK >boxed
boxed sales in general are down 70% from 2021>2022 (and likely even more from 2022>2023), no one buys physical anymore, in case you missed half the new generation of consoles NOT EVEN HAVING FRICKING DISC DRIVES.
OK so I've been reading Malazan for two hours now and so far there's been 3 separate post-battlefield descriptions of crows feasting on human flesh. Is this what fantasy is now? Then what do we call the thing where like moogles ride chocobo to a futuristic city on the moon? Because I don't read fantasy to experience grim severe depression.
can you imagine if an old FF game had the world end and one of the main characters tried to commit suicide fricking, or like, a guy accidentally bombs a village and kills a main characters mom at the start of the game
Meanwhile.......much like he had to do in his movie on some legendary meta shit Miles had to go against several box office releases back to back Flash, Mermaid, Elemental, Transformers and bested all the mother frickers and keeps taking back the #1 spot while they all crumble beneath his feet. Absolute chad of the light.
That movie has made nearly $600 million. Anything that's 5x its own budget is a success. Especially if you're able to wiener block multiple Disney movies back to back.
Just because a mother fricker accidentally went to a different dimension because of his goddamn spider dna being from there doesn't make angst boy right
XVI is the XIV team. Most of what they deal with is pc stuff. But yes other SE ports are usually botched in some way by some basement slaves doing the work.
>Said FFXVI would get under 90 in metascore for months >Said FFXVI would underperform for months >get laughed at and called Barry by the yoshi p squad
feels good for them to taste their own reality
>Dog shit button mash combat >Story straight out of a grade school writing class with notes by a horny teenager who can't stop injecting sexc into everything >Horrendous world design >Absolutely no RPG at all
It's exactly as I came to expect from YoshiP
Nah story is about slavery of mages somehow with each nation having jinchuriki/Titans. Main Villain is transexual Kaguya and it kills the plot and claims credit for everything just like she does.
>story about nations who use people with Kaijus inside them as weapons (and some hate and descriminate against them while others use them as walking WMDs) >main villain turns out to be a pale ayyyylmao who brought magic to the world and wants to combine all the kaijus into a Super Kaiju
society runs on crystal power, which is eating up the earth's supply of magic which causes the land to slowly dry up, wars are fought over dwindling land and resources, there are big powerful guys that eat up tons of magic to turn into monsters and regular guys that eat up magic who are enslaved and used like appliances, all brought on by a greater being. it's pretty standard jrpg faire but shitposters have to go with what sounds the most unappealing and reductive.
Ngl I'm weak minded. I come here and see you fricks shit on a game that's actually good and it makes me sad and not want to play it much. Then I go anywhere else and see almost everyone loves the game and it's story and it makes me feel happy and want to keep playing. So frick you all that influence my mind, that's all I wanted to say
Understand that Ganker has a vested interest in trying to shit on video games, and some posters will actually get very dangerously upset if >the game drops abruptly and they don't have months of time to shazampost about it >the game doesn't really have anything to go on, pre-release, so there aren't even theoretical negatives to shazampost about >the game comes out and it's OK or good, which renders months of shazamposts worthless
Man, if Rebirth start getting pre order numbers similar to what the first game had, this board will become very funny.
Because it will showcase how the problem isnt with the franchise, but with specific games not attracting people.
The problem is the franchise, they feel the need to reinvent themselves with every game which is what leads to this shit. This game looks almost nothing like FF15 which similarly looked almost nothing like FF13. Unless you are just OK consuming any product the brand itself is almost meaningless, other series you have an idea of what you're getting from the outset.
I think the main problem is that Square still thinks/treats FF like a big name, but in reality FF is now a legacy brand that sells mostly on nostalgia.
The smarter thing would be to transition to lower budget games rather than waste all that dev time and budget on experiments.
Bro
You need to be delusional to think this
The pixel remasters sold more than 2m copies
More sales than mainline jrpg franchises from Nintendo
You might not like FF nowadays. But still is big as frick, telling them to abandon it is the most moronic take ever
Anon, pointing out how well the pixel remasters sold is proving his point. How can you deny FF is carried by its legacy appeal while simultaneously using the fact that its retro remasters sell well as your evidence?
3 years ago FF7R sold in 3 days what RE4R is struggling to surpass after months in ALL PLATFORMS
16 not doing well tells more about the game than the franchise.
>3 years ago FF7R sold in 3 days what RE4R is struggling to surpass after months in ALL PLATFORMS >16 not doing well tells more about the game than the franchise.
When it is capcom = success
When it's SE = failure
11 months ago
Anonymous
different games have different budgets and different expectations for sales potential.
This is why SE is failing while Capcom is doing very well. They don't do time/console exclusives. They put their games everywhere day one, that's how you built a fanbase with your games being on all platforms.
FF15 was absolute dogshit and from what I've seen this is just more of it. Might give it a try when it comes to pc after they finish the alpha on consoles just like they did with ff15. This franchise is so tired and completely lost, it doesn't have a clue of what it's supposed to be. It's like they're still going for full visuals because people praised Final Fantasy for its graphics back then and they think they're still hot shit or something. It's like watching a 40 year old hag wearing the same skimpy clothes she used to wear at 20 and thinking she should still get praised for her looks.
>Still managed to get number 1 >UK Boxed only sales >Also managed to outsell Dead Island and Diablo 4 in that department and D4 had the ability to $600 million in about a week.
This statistic semi means nothing when we don't have the full picture of it yet. Heck the objective is to not "outsell" 15 but to make more in terms of dollar sales than it. I'm not surprised that this is the effect $70 has on games now. Sell less copies but make more money in the process.
XVI's biggest problem is that it doesn't know what it wants to be. >starts off with a grounded opening act with clear GoT influences
but >devolves into your classic "muh God-aliens from outer space is responsible for everything" JRPGslop at the end
>wants to abandon its JRPG/turn-based roots for favor of more high action-based combat
but >its action mechanics have a very low skill floor and the depth of a puddle - limited combo variations, cooldown-dependent abilities instead of SKILL-dependent abilities, overtly lenient timing windows >all of which hinders the intrinsic satisfaction of pulling off cuh-ray-zy combos
>promoted all its dominants as major players in the story
but >only Clive, Cid, Joshua and (barely) Dion got proper characterization, Benedikta and Hugo were treated terribly by the writers, while Jill and Barnabas were disappointingly one-dimensional
>game was advertised to be "open" and "explorable"
but >first few hours are essentially hyper-linear DMC-corridor stages, and when the game finally opens up there's only 4 semi-open zones with nothing much to do besides hunts (only good part of the open-world) and sidequests (many of which are hit/miss MMO-style fetchquests).
>put an all-white cast that alienates and angers people on the left
but >made an openly gay man a main character and gave him an intimate scene with his boyfriend which alienated and angered people on the right
The game has no definitive identity, it tries to be everything and ended up being nothing in the end. Which is sad because if we're just going from the demo alone the game unironically had huge potential. But unfortunately it feels like the strongest part of the game was its prologue, the subsequent game did nothing but squandered its own hype and disappointed/angered many.
>grounded opening act >mc gets hit with a rock during a fight between demigods and within a flashback literally turns into a demon and turns his bird-transformed brother into a Kakyoin-flavored donut
It's grounded in terms of the narrative it was placed in:
Dominants and eikons exists in this world and they act as nukes for each kingdom - this makes sense.
God is secretly an alien who created Jesus just so he could resurrect his dead kingdom and turn everyone into zombies in the process - makes zero narrative sense.
>XVI's biggest problem is that it doesn't know what it wants to be.
I've seen this shit copypasted on metacritic do many times it already lost any meaning
>I've seen this shit copypasted on metacritic do many times it already lost any meaning
Maybe because its actually true? Why don't you individually rebut the points you disagree with instead of blanketing my arguments with console-warring review bombers on MC.
Everyone knows the meta for user reviews is '0 if you didn't like it, 10 if you did like it', you might as well replace it with a thumbs up/down rating.
You don't have an argument to any of my points and it shows. And I don't even hate this game btw - these are just my initial impressions after finishing it last night.
Sure >limited combo variations
Besides your abilities, you only have your basic/aerial combo and magic/aerial bursts in terms of variations. If I'm being generous we can also include Charged Shot/Burning Blade in there, but they serve nothing more other than to juggle/launch enemies, and XVI's Stinger/Helmbreaker aren't JCable anyways so I'm not including them since they're just one-note moves.
Meanwhile in DMC you get different combos just for delaying your melee inputs, or changing Ls direction relative to your locked-on target. And every single move is JCable. In XVI only your basic/aerial combos can be JCed.
>cooldown-dependent abilities instead of SKILL-dependent abilities
All of Clive's Eikonic abilities are limited by cooldown, which means after blasting all your skills during staggers you're basically just playing a waiting game while alternating between your basic combos/bursts after that. Meanwhile in other action games we can pull off any ability/combo anytime we like as long as we have the finger dexterity to pull it off (Royal-guard, Judgment Cut, Witch Time etc.)
>overtly lenient timing windows
Self-explanatory. This game is too lenient in terms of its timing-windows. Even parrying is easy as frick if you use Burning Blade. Tablehopping on Nero is harder than parrying in this game. That alone should tell you how mechanically shallow it is.
All you did was prove you have knowledge of Devil May Cry, and are using that game to compare a game that really isn't attempting to be Devil May Cry. You're also staggeringly wrong about cooldown usage, because if you are owing them all on a stagger, you are actively making your non-Stagger state much longer, radically drawing out fights as a result. You should be able to easily weave your cooldowns during both stages, assuming you are good at remembering internal clocks between 6 moves, and adjust on the fly.
>All you did was prove you have knowledge of Devil May Cry, and are using that game to compare a game that really isn't attempting to be Devil May Cry.
All the pre-release talk and shilling certainly made it seem like that's what they were going for.
This leads me back to my initial point doesn't it? Game doesn't know what it wants to be.
Why the frick did they keep advertising the game to be some kind of DMC-lite - every single time I see promo for the game's combat I always hear "oh, it's combat designer did DMC 5", when, at least according to you, it actually "really isn't attempting to be Devil May Cry".
So which is it? Do you want a cooldown management combat system similar to an MMO is or do you want to be a full-on action game the way DMC is.
Because the way it is now, it's not particularly engaging in any of those fronts. The devs desperately needs to pick something and just fricking commit to it 100%.
>Why the frick did they keep advertising the game to be some kind of DMC-lite
Because they didn't
They advertised it as an action game with staff from DMC/Dragon's Dogma
There's an Odin ability called phase step or something that just cancels you out of any animation, with no cooldown if you perform it during a similar timing window to Torgal commands. Not saying DMC isn't more complicated, I just think very few people actually understand the extent of the moveset in FFXVI.
I know about Rift Slip, I didn't bring it up because I find it stupid to have to sacrifice an ability slot (we only have fricking 6) just so I can perform a universal animation-cancel.
Not all eikon abilities have cooldowns, and the ones that are charge up so fast that the only way you're struggling with cool downs is if you blow through all 6 at once. Not to mention there are equips to make cool down times even lower
Your point would make sense if the game didn't lock you to only 2 Eikons for the first 10-15 hours of gameplay. We only get Ramuh after we invade the capital's crystal right before pre-timeskip ends.
Also most of Ramuh's abilities feel incredibly useless (besides the Ult, which has a long CD anyways). And we don't get Titan until another 5 hours more into the game. So that's 20 hours with 2 Eikons and only 5 worthwhile abilities.
The average player is going to start to get tired of combat when playing with such a limited toolkit since, again as I've established, there's not much variation in combos in the first place.
If this is about the average player, the average player isn't going to do 90% of the shit you said you could do in dmc. But if you utilize the 2 sets of eikon you have (phoenix, garuda) really well with the moveset you have outside of it, I guarantee you cool downs won't be an issue
11 months ago
Anonymous
Gamer psychology 101: The average player would rather know that the skill ceiling for a game is incredibly high and that he needs to put in time and practice to be able to perform as well as the best players, rather than the skill ceiling being mediocrely limited.
Because what's the point of finding creative ways to do cuh-ray-zy combos if its too easy and anyone else can do them too?
DMC combo videos even till this day still get hundreds of thousands of views because the creativity you can unleash is endless, meanwhile with XVI it'll only be a matter of time before some guy out there finds an "optimal ability rotation for max DPS" because everything is so limited and simple to use.
>Also most of Ramuh's abilities feel incredibly useless >Unironically thinks Lightning Rod is useless
You are blowing your entire argument over being a mechanics know-it-all with this one statement alone.
>let's put this AoE MMO-esque totem on the ground while I completely hinder my mobility because I need to stick near to the totem just so I can hit it!!
It's shit. Once I leave the totem's AoE (because I'm too busy juggling enemies) it literally becomes completely useless.
>Also most of Ramuh's abilities feel incredibly useless >Unironically thinks Lightning Rod is useless
You are blowing your entire argument over being a mechanics know-it-all with this one statement alone.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Lightning rod into gouge or ignition is pretty frickin' funny.
Sure >limited combo variations
Besides your abilities, you only have your basic/aerial combo and magic/aerial bursts in terms of variations. If I'm being generous we can also include Charged Shot/Burning Blade in there, but they serve nothing more other than to juggle/launch enemies, and XVI's Stinger/Helmbreaker aren't JCable anyways so I'm not including them since they're just one-note moves.
Meanwhile in DMC you get different combos just for delaying your melee inputs, or changing Ls direction relative to your locked-on target. And every single move is JCable. In XVI only your basic/aerial combos can be JCed.
>cooldown-dependent abilities instead of SKILL-dependent abilities
All of Clive's Eikonic abilities are limited by cooldown, which means after blasting all your skills during staggers you're basically just playing a waiting game while alternating between your basic combos/bursts after that. Meanwhile in other action games we can pull off any ability/combo anytime we like as long as we have the finger dexterity to pull it off (Royal-guard, Judgment Cut, Witch Time etc.)
>overtly lenient timing windows
Self-explanatory. This game is too lenient in terms of its timing-windows. Even parrying is easy as frick if you use Burning Blade. Tablehopping on Nero is harder than parrying in this game. That alone should tell you how mechanically shallow it is.
>DMChad who knows what he's talking about single-handedly BTFOs every single FFtroony ITT
This thread should have ended here tbh.
UHHHH STAGE ACTOR BROS WHAT HAPPENED
ITS NOT LIKE PEOPLE STILL DEBATE ABOUT FFXIV'S DUB BEING DOGSHIT SURELY HIRING THE SAME COMPANY COULDN'T HAVE PRODUCED SIMILARLY DIVISIVE RESULTS
IGod this week will be fun I am all excited. >"ff"16 bombing every region >get to see salt romano damage control on gematsu abd ban everyone not deepthroating sony >tuesday the FTC vs MS&ABK hearings continue >final words on thursday and FTC got nothing accomplished the very important fist 2 days
So what actually changes if enough morons parrot eachother that FF16 is somehow denied its spot as a "real" Final Fantasy game, like what happens if everybody somehow all agree that this isn't actually a Final Fantasy game
>MMO quests >MMO dungeons >MMO assets >MMO OST
The only think keeping it from being an offline MMO is the combat system and even some action mmos have more depth and complexity than FFXVI
>>MMO quests >>MMO dungeons >>MMO assets >>MMO OST
How do morons like you remember to breath. All of these were first copied from regular games, MMO's didnt invent any of this shit you dumbass
Is it really that hard to add shit like elemental dmg? like okay we designed an ice enemy so we will simply increase the fire dmg and decrease everything else and maybe add an increased fire visual effect against it, i really don't understand why is that so hard?
Only a moron expected an exclusive from a console with a small install base to outsell a game that was released for multiple platforms with much higher bases.
It's not a sales competition, what matters is the profit (wwhich takes into account however much Square got paid for the exclusivity, and the budgets of each games - which, since it had a much less troubled history, 16 was probably much cheaper to make than the mess of Versus 13-to-15), and, for FF in it's current state, the fan reception.
It's unironically more important for the franchise that this game is good than that it sells, so 17 can get released with higher hype and maybe go back to being the blockbuster the franchise deserves to be. And that is why Barry has lost - because 16 is having to save the franchise's reputation from 15.
>because you've made everyone who doesn't like this game "barry"
No people are pretty clear on who the Australian FFXV fanboy that thinks "yoshit piss" is hilarious is when they talk about Barry
The only advantage of physical anymore is if you re-sell the game after finishing or are an autistic shelf hoarder that needs to have some physical dimension to a collection.
Otherwise, like 90% of people buy digital on release because you can just download and play right away.
>locked on a console that has no exclusives and literally nobody wants aside from third worlders and burgers that want to play sports games and nothing else >not even a real exclusive and will be on pc within the year >sales expectedly suck dick
This shit would have sold more on the fricking shitch but yoshitpiss decided he had to ruin everything by dealing with sony instead of releasing it on the pc from the get go
I have no sympathy for this game bombing >The cult repeatedly lies about how XIV is the only thing keeping SE afloat, when its actually gacha that has been the breadwinner ever since XIV 1.0 bombed >any time you have any comment that wasn't praising XVI, you would be called barry on reflex. >CBU3 itself get an ego and think they're hot shit. >Market the XVI leads as if they're an All Star team of devs when in reality they're just mmo devs and one guy who happened to be a part of the DMC combat team. >They call other FF games childish and add in unneeded swearing and gore to be edgy. >Whine about JRPG as if its a new term that was made up to marginalize Japanese games. >Pick on the low-hanging fruit that is FFXV and then proceed to make some of the same mistakes that game did (Bragging about how the game wouldn't need to have a day 1 patch and then did anyway for example) >Marketers flooded the board after the demo came and insisted that the tide had turned. That XVI was actually going to sell great. But then it turns its universally agreed upon that the demo was the highlight of the game and it gets worse the more you play it.
they deserve it honeslty. Them and the moronic cult they built around themselves.
I have no sympathy for this game bombing >The cult repeatedly lies about how XIV is the only thing keeping SE afloat, when its actually gacha that has been the breadwinner ever since XIV 1.0 bombed >any time you have any comment that wasn't praising XVI, you would be called barry on reflex. >CBU3 itself get an ego and think they're hot shit. >Market the XVI leads as if they're an All Star team of devs when in reality they're just mmo devs and one guy who happened to be a part of the DMC combat team. >They call other FF games childish and add in unneeded swearing and gore to be edgy. >Whine about JRPG as if its a new term that was made up to marginalize Japanese games. >Pick on the low-hanging fruit that is FFXV and then proceed to make some of the same mistakes that game did (Bragging about how the game wouldn't need to have a day 1 patch and then did anyway for example) >Marketers flooded the board after the demo came and insisted that the tide had turned. That XVI was actually going to sell great. But then it turns its universally agreed upon that the demo was the highlight of the game and it gets worse the more you play it.
they deserve it honeslty. Them and the moronic cult they built around themselves.
What does sucking down Bazztek's brown wiener and talking points get you, anon, the attention isn't worth it. You'll never measure up to the loon you're copying
Not sure why anyone would be happy about a company being kept afloat because of gacha
Would be like Konami fans praising the pachinko business when they ended up killing everything for it
People are really underestimating convenience. Most players were waiting on the demo to decide one way or another and right after the demo completed it offered to send you directly to the PS Store.
ye if i have the option between a physical copy and a digital download i'll probably take the download since it'll arrive to me way sooner, even considering fast shipping options or the fact that i don't have a data cap
t. all my internet is over 5G
All I know is that whenever my friends pre-order physical copies of any game nowadays they always end up stressing about it arriving on time, a lot of the times it doesn't.
Digital is way better and that's why everyone is buying their games and such that way.
Nobody is making up any number though other than anti shills using moronic shit like Amazons little black text that supposedly says 5k buyers in the last month and literally making up a number based off that
Those are from gacha games and it's mostly thanks to whales. This isn't to say that Squeenix isn't making most of their money through gacha at the moment.
Their financials show that FFXIV does pull in the most money out of any of their games iirc
Not literally most of their money made through revenue/profit (though it does make a significant portion of it), but FFXIV is a high enough cash flow *entirely on its own* that it eclipses any other single given game
Doesn't matter, it takes a metric frickton of gacha games to equal FFXIV's solo profit. 14.1 billion yen between FFXIV and that Dragon Quest MMO (FFXIV makes up the vast majority of it, FFXI is not worth mentioning in terms of profit) vs. 23.7 billion across a very large number of gacha games which they note are becoming less profitable and aren't being offset by new gachas.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>FFXIV's solo profit.
*one of three mmos in that division.
**only sometimes gets close to gacha numbers when both dq and xiv have an expansion releasing that year
fixed that for you.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I am snapping my fingers in front of your face to get your attention. You aren't getting the point, nobody is saying FFXIV brings in more profit than the entire gacha division. Somebody IS saying >FFXIV makes up the majority of the MMO division's profits. >Of those three MMOs, only DQ and FFXIV are worth mentioning. >FFXIV makes more money than DQ.
Which leads to the point you are dead-set on missing >FFXIV is singlehandedly more profitable than multiple gachas put together. >Gachas are becoming less profitable on Square Enix's end and they can't throw more gachas onto the pile to keep them profitable.
Gachas are not more profitable than their MMOs, pound-for-pound. It takes a very large amount of gacha games being run and maintained to pull in the profit that it does, and that chain link is weakening.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>FFXIV is singlehandedly more profitable
*when an its an expansion year >Gachas are becoming less profitable on Square Enix's >and that chain link is weakening.
By this logic so are the mmos, since all 3 sectors were down this year.
I know you're desperate to defend your precious mmo, but you shouldn't leave out info when making your delusional argument.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>FFXIV is singlehandedly more profitable
*when an its an expansion year
The chart posted was for a fiscal quarter, not an expansion year. Nice try, "desperate to defend your precious mmo."
11 months ago
Anonymous
So there's three MMOs and how fricking many gachas
>includes mobile games, old games and indie games that are not sold physically. If the majority of game sales were really digital then no exclusive game would ever be sold physically, because these suckers cost a shit ton to make/ship and you lose 30% to retailers.
>remove party building >simplify gearing and skill choices >turn it into a linear corridor simulator
this hack actually thought it would fly in a non-mmo
I should have known this game was gonna be shit. all the signs were there, from the inclusion of the journalist accessories to the giant marketing push, and now that I played it for 23 hours so far, it's a fricking joke of a video game and a stain on the Final Fantasy name. I honestly have a worse taste in my mouth than what I had with XV, which is fricking crazy.
It's over... FF is dead
The crazy thing is they're marketing it HARD here.
I don't have a picture but there are literally FF16 buses here in London. XV never got that level of marketing.
Oh here, I found a pic online
Kek. They actually put a giant ad in normieland of a boy wearing a skirt in a windy area.
that's because sony is paying for the marketing
nobody cared about advertising xv
I think Sony is handling the marketing so it has a higher budget
>XV never got that level of marketing.
yes it did lmao
There's even a pic of one of the buses on fire.
McFricking kek and lel.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
SYSTEM OF A DOWN?
That's not quite the same as
hello non new ip suggesting that other people are doing the thing you're doing, but on opposite day. how can anybody say this shit with a straight face with all the doomposting spam threads is beyond me.
Good, always hated that weebshit franchise and the troons spamming ff14 threads on this board
I didn't even know it was out.
That's how much I give a shit about ff.
Mainline Final Fantasy has lost so much brand power and visibility it's insane.
>Mainline Final Fantasy has lost so much brand power and visibility it's insane.
FF was done after 10
>UK
>boxed
Utterly irrelevant
Don't know who Barry is but I'm glad the annoyingly transparent shills are getting they are shit pushed in.
>physical copies on a console that sells a cheaper version with no disk drive
doesn't matter
>Digital cope again
Physical versions in general are only like 25% of game sales now, so the UK charts are pretty irrelevant.
But also kind of this. I had a friend, casual normie girl who only plays JRPGs, reach out and go "I didn't know this was out!" So, their marketing team are clearly shit (and probably bad at targeted ads in an internet age).
>Physical versions in general are only like 25% of game sales now
Only if you count every single game that is sold on the console. New released Triple A with physical releases are still far over 50%. For Nintendo Switch that number iseven 50%, even if you add all the the indies to it, because it sells most of its stock in JP where everythings still physical.
I'm Barry btw.
Switch can store 3 games before maxing out it's storage capacity, along with Nintendo's absurd capacity to nuke an entire consoles online storefront once they're moved on to the next generation.
must suck to be too poor to afford a microsd card
Did you completely miss the part where Nintendo are horrible for legacy store items on consoles that aren't current gen? There was a whole fiasco over Wii U digital titles not that long ago, and it certainly hasn't been the first time Nintendo pulled that off.
They took themselves way too seriously with the whole "Le Awakening trailer" shit
FFXIV became a success after they put in the money to do silly stuff like this and spam it all over youtube
>Final Fantasy XV - ~120.000 units
>Final Fantasy VII Remake - ~60.000 units
>Final Fantasy XVI - ~30.000 units
It's almost like there's other factors at work instead of game quality. Like it's not as if we're in a major recession or anything worldwide and ppl only buy bare necessities instead of expensive frivolities, oh no.
I bet the economic climate of 2016 is completely compatible with the one from 2023. Let's disregard PS4 and Xbox One's combined installed base in 2016 too and just compare that 1:1 to PS5's installed base in 2023. I'm sure this is all a fair comparison.
The cost of living meme makes no sense when Street Fighter, Zelda, Diablo and even kusoge like Wo Long are doing record numbers for their publishers moron.
> kusoge like Wo Long are doing record numbers for their publishers moron
First, Wo Long is not 'kusoge', it's a great action game. Just cuz it's not as autistically complex as Nioh doesnt make it a bad game. It was never meant to be.
Second, no, it did not do 'record numbers'. It got a marketing deal with Microsoft to put it on Game Pass and I think it sold like 1 million copies. Not sure how you would call that 'record numbers'.
That guy is wrong about record numbers but Wo Long was KT's second-fastest game to hit 1m copies sold after Nioh (2 weeks). That's still impressive and speaks to the market's continued upward momentum post-COVID. It's okay that XVI underperforms. XV was a sales juggernaut + was on multiple consoles with higher install bases.
>The cost of living meme makes no sense when Street Fighter, Zelda, Diablo and even kusoge like Wo Long
This, the problem is not that physical games sell less, it's that currently there are less games worth buying in physical.
> Street Fighter
> Record numbers
What's the sales right now? Didn't hear anything anymore after the 1 million announcement.
Is that really 'record breaking' or is that par for the course for one of the top 3 fighting games on the market? Outside of Mortal Kombat and Tekken there isn't any other fighting game that sells (no, Smash isn't a fighting game)
>XVI has its own simp as voluble as Barry
I'm gonna call you Larry
yeah you guys keep trying to make that one stick don't ya
Alright Larry
Can you answer this question Larry?
>be born with face
>REEEE!
come on homie really
Explain shit like elden ring and fricking hogwarts then. Hell, we dont know the total sales yet, but totk sold 10 fricking mil in just 3 days. This is pure unadulterated cope.
You cannot compare FromSoft/Souls to Final Fantasy.
Back in the '90s FF was one of the heavyweights, today it's FromSoftware/Souls. Armored Core 6 will sell 2 million guaranteed at launch. Their reputation and stature in teh industry is such that they can carry a shitty mecha game to over 2 million at launch.
FF still has better name recognition than either of those though, hell FF is more widely known than Zelda. If Zelda can make 10m in 3 days FF should be making that much
You're stuck in the past dude.
FromSoftware/Souls is a bigger name today than Final Fantasy and Square Enix, I'm sorry. But times have changed.
to be fair, ff14 is still popular.
No it isn't. People have left in droves since EW
>troony MMO
Nobody that plays it cares about FF. They are just as moronic as people that play WoW in current year.
No, it doesn't. The last Final Fantasy game to have universal recognition was X, and we only had 2 legit releases since then, and both were fricking abysmal. Combine the bad pedigree with 16 taking a radical departure (one that is actually really fricking good considering it's the first real attempt at it) that can further alienate what dwindling following the series holds, and it legitimately might take some time for people to catch on.
FromSoft have releases SEVEN Soulslike games (if you count Sekiro) in the span of 14 years vs Final Fantssy releasing 3 true single player games in 23 years. It does not have a wide following.
Bull fricking shit. FF has always been a huge franchise for Sony and the fact that 15 sold as well as did despite being shit proves that. Truth of the matter is, elden ring blew their previous sales out of the water, while FF is shrinking. Why cant we fricking compare them?
>15 sold as well as did despite being shit proves that
that why the series is dead today, even a remake of 7 could not salvage this disaster.
Elden Ring had more marketing hype from that first teaser
XV was marketed for over a decade and was supposed to be a ps3 game. It sold well, yes, but ruined the series reputation. Forspoken is the final nail in the coffin for everything Versus 13.
True for me at least. FF15 is the reason I don't preorder games anymore period. I remember trying to play 1.0 on my PS4, fricking unbearably buggy and incoherent incomplete trash.
>1.0 on my PS4
QRD?
I had dogshit NA internet with a 2gb cap back then so I couldn't download the day one patch. Crashed almost every hour (I am not exaggerating this), glitches happening constantly, story made even less sense because there were no cutscenes for some things.
Off the top of my head, the "cutscene" that was just clips of the kingsglaive movie showing Insomnia being nuked and the king being murdered wasn't in the game. You just get the scene with the newspaper that says "EVERYONE'S FRICKING DEAD" and that's it.
The game also ran like absolute shit on a base PS4. Most FFXV fans are hilariously dishonest and pretend royale editoo was the day one.
>Explain shit like elden ring and fricking hogwarts then.
Not that anon, but it's fairly obvious. Those games were cross gen, multiplatform releases. FF XVI is a current gen only and a timed exclusive. Pretending that they are somehow equivalent is kind of sad.
>>XVI is still shit though
hey how does square enix’s dick taste? asking for a friend
You and every other poster that makes it your life's work to b***h about games on Ganker and then have the gall to accuse other posters of being dick-riders needs to have their fricking fingers broken
NOOOOOO YOU AREN'T HATING IT BLINDLY LIKE I AM YOU FRICKING BOOTLICKER!!!!!! REEEEEEE
bad-faith criticism and bad-faith praise are two sides of the same coin. you can win out if you simply don’t let the newest product by a mega corporation become your personality
root the homosexualry out at the source, it isn't "criticism" if it's bad-faith, it's whining
but dont get butthurt if someone wlse criticizes the game, its even more embarrassing
if they get upset and squat in the thread for 300 more posts because they were called a homosexual they weren't criticizing it, they were whining about it
You're literally whining right now.
>but what about you though
suck the sweat off of my nuts, anon
hahahah keep coping you fricking homosexual, I'm glad you annoying stupid fricks are getting BTFO after all those months of you not shutting the frick up about this game
>I'm glad you annoying stupid fricks are getting BTFO after all those months of you not shutting the frick up about this game
Now THIS is Shazam-posting at its most delusional
(translator's note: Final Fantasy 16 threads were borderline nonexistent prior to the final trailers + demo)
>the blatant shilling didn't start until summer games fest was over
wow you dont say
So which is it anon were there "months of not shutting the frick up" or did threads only pick up any steam after the most recent media stuff
I was in those threads and you are full of shit. The shilling started around the time RE4 was launching. And all you homosexuals did was talk about how old FF games were shit, turn based was shit, etc etc
Frick you and your failed westernized shit.
>The shilling started around the time RE4 was launching. And all you homosexuals did was talk about how old FF games were shit, turn based was shit, etc etc
This didn't happen
Source: arch.b4k.co
Barry won after 1 decade of shitposting, we deserve these threads.
You're upset people were excited about a game on the videogames board
shut the frick up about recession you moronic Black person
elden ring and totk sold one billion copies and PS5 and switch are breaking sales records
the reality is that nobody gives a shit about final fantasy 16
goes to show how much 15 destroyed people's trust in Final Fantasy
kind of a weak cope
Cope b***h.
Your garbage game fails and then you go on to blame the better game.
Cope and seethe,
15 is only better than 13
The previous game always affects the sales of the next, has been that way for decades.
man XV really did kill the entire brand
It kinda did, people grew weary of new ff titles thanks to XV, hence why they only released mobile crap and remakes after the tabata turd
Flopspoken was straw the broke the camel's back
He will use greek letters for FF17, WON'T HE?
Not a problem. Sell more mounts to morons playing ff14 and pop out another game
>74% lower
That means it only sold 1/3 of what FF15 sold, flop confirmed.
more like 1/4
oh my!
> This rpg game doesn't need buffs, debuffs, interesting gear, skills, atb, shields, mana, stamina, breakable parts, linked attacks, elemental interactions...
>rpg longtime fans don't buy game
Who would have thought??
>posts troonyneko
That garbage flopped so hard its never getting an anime kek
Rika sex
Xv didn't have those
XV had at least half of those
And i played that game more than 5 years ago.
>And i played that game more than 5 years ago.
Yeah I can see that in your post
Bot post
most people bought 15 thinking it would be amazing, but after 15 they got skeptical of 16 and waited for reviews.
i dont know how anyone thought 15 would be amazing after those demos
the writing was on the wall
Don't care, it's a pretty good game and I'm having fun with it. Even if the character action based gameplay is unique only for this title and they go back to heavier RPG elements for the next titles, it was still a nice deviation from the norm. This also doesn't retroactively make FFXV or Forspoken suddenly good, so Barry can shitpost all he wants, but he's a pathetic joke and everyone knows it.
>it was still a nice deviation from the norm
No blacks, no buy
simple as
I don't think people get it.
The problem isn't that the combat is action-oriented instead of turn based.
The problem is that there's very few RPG elements to the game. Low sense of progression.
I completely get why people are upset over the lack of RPG elements in an FF game, but saying there's a lack of progression is completely false. You're constantly getting or upgrading new abilities to customize to your playstyle as well as accessories that will make you prioritize certain moves over others. I haven't even gotten to the second Eikon battle and the wealth of different options in combat is great.
I don't think you get it.
Its not Final Fantasy, thats it.
It is, it's just needed a couple of features and an extra year to bake.
If you think that you haven't played the game
>Have the same 3 eikons for hours
>only "progression" is adding more points to your sword
>finally get Titan
>you get 4 new moves
>now stuck with that for hours and hours
The other guy is right. You just do the same combos on new enemies who fight exactly the same and who you can't bother to see anyways.
You're supposed to spend your ability points bro
schizo thread
UK boxed has literally never been a good indicator on sales.
It's the second biggest market, how is it not a good indicator?
Thats Japan, those numbers come out this Thursday
You just wait until we find out how low Peru’s boxed sales for FF16 are, then you’ll be sorry
if only those DAMNED ethiopians bought more ps5s
This was proven with Anthem. UK boxed sales were poor. Went on to be one of the biggest sellers of the year.
Because no one really buys physical games in 2023, you moron.
>Anthem
Oh no no no no
The fact it was middling game is irrelevant here. The point is the UK box sales were shite, and everyone went "It's fricking over!" And then it turned out to be one of the biggest releases of that year.
>Anthem enjoyed the second highest launch-month sales in BioWare's history, only behind 2012's Mass Effect 3. It is now 2019's second best-selling game, trailing only Kingdom Hearts III. One caveat to mention with Anthem is that PC digital sales are not included.
Ironically, it still fell short of EA's expectations, which kind of shows how unsustainable the AAA industry is.
>2012's Mass Effect 3
No fricking way it came out 11 years ago. I remember the stock photo Tali controversy like it was 5 years ago.
shh don't ruin the fun
i really wanna understand what you guys get out of making a spectacle out of stirring shit, it seems so mind numbing to spend time being the equivalent of an internet mosquito
It’s called trolling.
I fricking bought the CE of 16 and even I have been partaking in it. It’s actually a very good game to boot and much better than the previous four mainline games. But it’s like goading the sales gays into a never ending feedback loop while they act as an authority meanwhile being unpaid game analysts is just too funny not to
i know what trolling is and no one has ever been able to elaborate on what's "funny" about baiting reactions or even what the entertainment value is. is it just a power play thing because you figured out you can annoy people easily? it's one thing to frick with one of your real friends a little bit, but the en masse coordinated efforts to shit up an entire community of strangers for "yucks" is just bananas to me.
This isn't trolling.
It's just low-tier baiting.
Trolling is an art form, luring someone into an argument without them realizing you're taking the piss is trolling.
A* art form.
Why not join the discussion to defend the things that you like , seems like it's a waste of time to be here.
Even Barry found solace in XV
>Even Barry found solace in XV
His brain literally got fried because of that shit, if anything Barry is a cautionary tale to never get to much into a game
On Ganker? It's a waste of time 99% of the time because nobody is interested in an honest discussion or debate.
Trolling is funny. Autistic screeching and reposts about boogiemen is mental illness.
There's very much a point where somebody is compulsively posting about a topic and they're hissing out "I'M TROLLING YOU, YOU'RE GETTING SO FRICKING TROLLED RIGHT NOW"
I want Ganker to recognize there is in fact a point where the guy you're talking to is breathing heavy and very angry and doubling down on being a moron, whether he says he's funning ya or not
He is most definitely not just funning ya if you can recognize his patterns of speech and which topics he talks about across more than one thread about a given thing
>It’s actually a very good game
ah, is this an example of the aforementioned trolling? I see.
It's over
>Barry actually won
>Barry
seriously, someone explain who the hell barry is and his relevance to the final fantasy fanbase?
He's the rightest man alive. A prophet among fools.
an australian that championed ff15 so hard it made him moronic when it came out unfinished, a lot of shazam posters are adopting his name for their gay little internet fights
shit skinned ff15 schizo that's single handedly mogging these ff14 trannies
or, and I know this is a crazy idea but maybe people don't like ff16
>Release the game on a dead console
>Surprised it flops
Right now, Yoshi-P must be hard at work doing that PC version as fast as possible.
Yoship-chan
You did your best, it's fine.
His Meteor has already struck.
Nomura Full Control soon.
*laughs*
SAVE US NOMURAAAAAAAAAAAA
I like that his eyes look completely black in this pic, makes him look extra demonic
They need this homie back in a mainline game, and not just as designer.
If Nomura made the game it would be a cheesy clusterfrick story filled with heartwarming cliche moments and bizzare nonsense.
So obviously it would be better than
>DURRR I WATCHED GAME OF THRONES AND GOD OF WAR AND WANT TO COPY THAT
Not really, he tried to make a mature FF 20 years ago, but it was just blocked because the idea was impossible for the suits at the time.
Let's be for real here, his "mature" FF would track closer to a seinen manga, or some JP theatrical production.
It'd be more dour than the average FF sure, but that'd be a completely different thing than trying to ape an HBO drama.
>DURRR I WATCHED GAME OF THRONES AND GOD OF WAR AND WANT TO COPY THAT
I wouldn't mind it as much if they actually watched it without having it fly completely over their heads lmao.
It was never going to sell more than FF15, we've known this for years.
FF15 came out on PS4 and Xbox One, both have massively bigger install bases than PS5 does now.
Also retail vs. digital was not yet this lopsided in favor of digital back in 2016. We're 6 years on and nearly everything sales wise is digital now
This, it's just different environments. Even if it were multiplat or if the PS5 weren't stuck in scarcity limbo I bet box sales would still be pretty "sad"
resetera must be doing a victory lap right now
good maybe next time they wont try and pander to them by putting gays in the game
Can we go back to a turn-based system now?
square was already pivoting towards creating CINEMATIC EXPERIENCES with advent children.
we are never going back.
FFXV ruined FF's little reputation it had left
All future FFs now have to suffer the fallout that XV caused
>physical media in 2023
>UK
>boxed sales
come on barry; you’re gonna have to do better
did you really just delete and repost on a vpn
>console exclusive sells less than multiplat release
>the console in question is only recently becoming more readily available
No way, how could this happen
>make game that only caters to white people
>game flops hard
no fricking shit
This game caters to ~~*White*~~ people
more gay and lesbian whites than the other LGBT demographics
lol cope cumskin
>this captcha garbage
jesus christ this place is a shithole
that's correct, white people are the ones pushing the gay agenda
compare the gay tolerance % in Sweden with Uganda or something
Jews aren't white you moronic fricking mongrel.
It's israelites AND White people pushing this shit. Stop being fricking delusional.
this wouldnt have happened if they made so 16 sequels
how many anti-FFXVI schizo threads are up right now
who the frick is barry
It was obvious that the game sold poorly since Square Enix is dead silent about it.
I'm glad it's underperforming since it means we won't have to suffer the demands of MMO trannies and their meme developer ever again
Those mfs talked constantly how those guys are the gods of writing and level design.
Then the game releases and what carries it is the combat...
Who ever made the argument for good level design for cbu3? actual level design in 14 is nonexistent. maybe in pvp maps, but even then they suck, especially that new re design of shatter
People talked how the game would have open zones with things to do. But every zone has nothing, there is almost no reason to have a chocobo in this game. Just random chest
? there is absolutely nothing going on in 14 maps as well, save for the same lame ass static fates.
whoever made that argument made it in bad faith
The sidequests/side content in general are an absolute joke, you can tell this was made by MMO homosexuals.
The writing also goes to shit once they stop ripping off Game of Thrones in the intro.
I would say the themes are good, but they have no fricking idea of how to present them
It's like you keep changing tv shows with every chapter, never focuses in anything.
Final fantasy lost its soul after 10.
so, when they became ENIX?
Most of the staff at SE is from Square tho. Enix didn't have any in house development team since they always contracted with outside companies to develop DQ. The new CEO of SE was from Square. The problem was Wada's philosophies instead of Sakaguchi
ffxv was not only multiplat
but on consoles worth owning
All these morons need to do is lower their budget. Anyone who thought this wouldn't underperform is delusional.
did he died?
Final Fantasy peaked at X, XII, and Tactics Advanced, dominated by anime fanboys since then and spiraled into Dirge, Crisis Core and XIII/XV bullshit.
True VII fans know X was better.
Nah, X is the second best, but 7's still better.
VII=60% anime
X= 80% anime
vg market = vg
vg+x=80% satisfaction
vg+vii(idiot tv boomer)=40% satisfaction
Can you even understand algebra, moron? only 40% of FF7 fans enjoyed video games which overturned the whole franchise.
X recieved 80% satisfaction + 70% fanbase demand. Therefore:
X+80+70
X(8*7)=56
X(56)=560
560% of the fanbase aren't anime cucks. No wonder XVI can't sell, you fricking moron.
Thoughts on IX?
troony satanist game. The moment it all went downhill.
all the worst things about 13, 15 and 16 were already present in 10
Which is a weird statement because the guys who made those games are different than the ones who made X. So it's like complaining about DMC1 because DMC2 has things you dont like.
x does not deserve to be put on a pedestal, because it's just as bad, if not worse, than the later games.
Correct
Like, whatever. I'm sure we hear people talking how ocarina of time or majora's mask as being bad. At the end of the day we know what the majority things.
>the majority
I'm sure it bothers a lot of ff fans how X reached the same status that VII had in the ps1. If VII was the essential ps1 game, X was the essential PS2 game. The game that even people who would only play other genres would buy.
The FF fanbase is funny because in any other fanbase you would see them happy of seeing these titles thrive, but they get made because it was not their favorite one. "why wasnt 9 or 12? 10 is garbage"
x is a series of corridors sewn together with cutscenes
For sure. They still seethe at X being more successful with the corridor argument
"why my favorite game didnt became acclaimed as much"
When the point is how linear games wont bother people if they are well executed.
It’s hilarious people make fun of XIII for being a corridor simulator when that’s all X was
It shows how important pacing, character interactions, and a solid story can distract players from the same thing they dislike. Every chapter in XIII is two people whining at each other while they don't accomplish anything. You feel your life wasting away while watching these people just stand around. Thankfully the combat is fun.
People say a thing is bad but then call a different thing good, even though both things have something in common. They're all hypocrites and their opinions are worthless.
X had a better story
X had at least some towns where you got to interact with people
X had at least some okay characters
XIII was dogshit all the way down. People noticed it was a hallway simulator because there was literally nothing else to grab onto.
complete utter lies. FFXVI is pure FFVII weeb influence. No FFVII fan remembers it for the gameplay
You started using entire different arguments, can you greentext the part where i said that XVI isnt anime? or that isnt a ff?
I will bet in you not being able to.
X is anime as frick what are you talking about
oh baby this week's Famitsu is going to be a FIREWORKS show
it will be funnier next week when it's already gone
How embarrassing for SE. Everyone else is having their series pop off both critically and commercially. Mario, Zelda, Resident Evil, Monster Hunter, etc, etc
Yoshipoopoopeepee sisters? Is it joever?
Also, hard to appeal to western audiences with zero people of color.
> Ganker became one with ResetEra trannies
They’re making a new FF and it’s out?
for squares sake i hope that this game was fast and cheap to develop
Yoshi piss was stupid to remove PS4 version.
Has nothing to do with it journo troony. Flopspoken was biggest flop ever.
people are addicted to convenience, what else is new?
Digital gay and shills BTFO. Only mutts like digital. UK confirmed physical pilled. Mutt golems and their LGBT masters will doom us.
its rover
Chris is fricking full of it here, because we know from publisher financial reports that the split is something like 3:1.
yeah not like sony literally made a digital only console because all physical releases now are just activation codes. dumbass
Now I see people coping saying
>W-Well ofc it sold less, it sold on less platforms
Xbox is a non entity.
The worst part about this game flopping is the blame that the setting/style will receive and not just the bad writing and boring, shallow action combat. I'd like more future FF games to have the Tactics art style and hope we don't just have to be stuck with hyper anime going forward.
The story and combat is actually good, though. The issue is literally the bad name recognition and lack of some franchise features to help ease people into this new style, on top of having an extremely small Beastiary of mostly boss mosters you only fight once, and never see again.
Burn b***h.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say no one cares.
Clearly you're right, judging by the sales.
Oh boy I can't wait for the weekly japan bootlicking thread
>ps5 exclusive
gee i wonder why
wake me up when this shit is on steam
This is probably the only time I'm rooting for Shazam. Frick the FF-fanboys. They were absolutely horrible this past week.
To be honest, FF fanboys dont even know this team that much
It was 3 years of 14 players talking as if this game is the the second coming of Christ.
>constant shazam threads shitting on the game
>THOSE DARN FF gayS DID THIS
what a very sensible conclusion you've drawn
In what world are you in? This game has been tortanic posted and shitpost spammed for MONTHS
hopefully we're going back to Ivalice instead of another edgy GoT Medievaslop next game
> makes a game based on le flavor of the month slob
>after 5 years game comes out
>nobody cares for it anymore
What a moron
Honestly that says less about XVI and more about how badly XIII and XV damaged the brand. Up until XII you could expect an actual game, now you only get glorified movies with sequel and spinoff baits galore.
At least that was the reason I didn't bother with XVI. But at least it didn't hide part of the story behind a fricking anime.
What's the playstation store sales? Because that seems a lot more relevant than the UK physical chart
It’s because there’s gays in it.
This is what happens when you release exclusively to the PS5, a system known for people not liking video games.
Nobody bought Demon souls remake either
>Final Fantasy
>2023
The brand has been dead for a decade. It ditched being an RPG in favor of being a troony dress-up MMO, and shitty movie-games.
Square-enix cannibalized FF16's potential sales with too much western fantasy shit in advance.
>Octopath Traveler 1&2
>Triangle Strategy
>Tactics Ogre Remastered
>Stranger of Paradise
>DioField Chronicles
>Valkyrie Elysum
If you played even half of this (let alone all of it) you are probably exhausted by now. This is assuming you also don't own a PC or Switch and played Diablo 4 or Zelda: ToTK which if you did you want a complete pallette cleanser.
Question: Assuming SE calculated the amount Sony would pay them vs. How much money they would lose being a timed PS exclusive, wouldn't they be okay with selling less than 15? Is it really so dire for FF bros? The game itself seems good
It’s a game made only for white liberals. It doesn’t feel Asian, as it were.
The Alpha of Awe. The Brute of Brawn. The Cultivator of Class. The Duke of Domination. The Emperor of Eloquence. The Fiercest of Fighters. The Greatest of Glory. The Height of Heroism. The Imperator of Intellectualism. The Jarl of Justice. The King of Knights. The Lord of Loquaciousness. The Master of Mortality. The Naysayer of Noobs. The Overlord of Obituaries. The Prince of Passion. The Que-hagen of Quixote. The Ruler of Ruination. The Sultan of Smite. The Taskmaster of Trembles. The Undertaker of Ubiquity. The Vaeyen of Vociferousness. The Warranter of Weaklings. The Xenophobe of Xenogeny. The Yardmaster of Yesteryear. The Zhar of Zoroastrianism.
THE INDOMITUS REX
THE ALPHA OF ALPHAS
THE KING OF KINGS
THE LORD OF LORDS
THE JUSTICIAR OF JUSTICE
CHADARRYTHE GRAY
APEXPREDATORarry the MASCULINE
GRIPrry the CRUSHING
INSURMOUNTABLErry the UNSURPASSABLE
INDOMITABLErry the UNYIELDING
AESTHETICrry the BEAUTIFUL
SWOLEry the RIPPED
TANKry the RESOLUTE
PHYSICALLYIMPOSINGry the INTIMIDATING
GLAREry the DOMINEERING
JUGGERNAUGHTry the UNSTOPPABLE
DISCIPLINEDry the ENLIGHTENED
ZENry the SPIRITUAL
POTENTry the VIRILE
ALMIGHTYry the INVINCIBLE
VALORry the DAUNTLESS
IMPERIOUSry the DOMINATOR
INVICTUSry the ETERNAL
MAELSTROMrrythe TITANIC
QUAKEry the SPACE-TIME SHAKING
COLOSSUSry the LEVIATHAN
BEHEMOTHry the MASTODONIC
MONSTERry the TERRIFYING
LORDry the KING
DEITYry the CHRIST
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ENTER CHADBARRY
ENTER BARRY
should have been on fricking pc
How tf PC gonna affect BOXED sales
Snoys saying "of course it sold less than XV; that was a multiplat" while also saying XV sold 0 copies on Xbox to justify Playstation exclusivity.
PS5 exclusivity was a mistake
I wonder if Sony's payment was enough to cover low sales
I don’t care I got a fun game and that’s what matters
its literally on a console where 1 of the 2 models available doesnt have a disc drive
>UK
>boxed sales
annnnndd it’s nothing. the absolute state of barry.
>japanese sales don't matter
>uk sales don't matter
>the game with British English doesn’t need to do well in Britain
Why don't burgers keep track of this stuff in their country, can't they count?
The platform holders screwed over accurate NPD reporting over a decade ago, now we just get bullshit vague estimates like PS5 has sold the most units this month launched aligned or some horseshit.
oh hey remember how Japan also had to switch over to Famitsu's weekly sales reports because Media Creates' weekly reports became paywalled? didn't that start happening soon after the Switch began kicking the PS4's ass through its hat regularly? haha what weird timing.
>UK
I'm so happy
please let the entire ff franchise die
>Obviously, digital is a much much bigger component of sales today.
at least the guy is honest
lmfao the cope
I won you lost
FFsisters…. this can’t be true
Damn is that game even out yet or is that just for preorders? Preorders are less than launch week sales.
It's out digitally but the physical version won't release until September.
AHAHAHAHAHAHA
damn that's sad. Pikmin isn't even a franchise that sells a ton of copies. I don't think any of them has sold more than 3 million copies. They usually do 1-2.5 million copies
Can pikmin 4 do it in Japan? It would be hilarous.
Isn't the Deluxe Edition higher?
WHAT A FRICKING DISASTER
The absolute state
Good Lord, I thought it was Pikmin 4 preorders at first glance, but it's losing to a frickin' $50 gamecube port.
The absolute state of play.
Pikmin is more of an rpg with the different pikmen having different properties instead of the flavor color that are 16's eikons and its "stats".
Pikmin has more interesting characters. The Pikmin themselves have more personality than most of the XVI characters.
Why aren't more people mentioning that the deluxe edition is literally higher
Deluxe edition doesn’t count because it sold out.
Jesus Christ. What will it take for Nintendo NOT to win these days?
>Biggest debut in Zelda History
>It also launched at 70$
Man, Nintendo needs to chill.
Don't forget
>leaked 2 weeks in advance
>sold 11M on 3 days.
there it goes the "MUH PIRACY" argument
Nintendo is so competent it's hilarious
Most recently they advised Sparks of Hope's devs to hold off until the next console was out for those fat launch-window "there's fricking nothing else" sales, were ignored, and Sparks of Hope promptly sold less than the previous game that released within the Switch's launch window
Sparks of hope sold less because that nasty habit of western publishers especially Ubisoft of slashing the game's price to half just a few months after release, right now I can get that game at $30 and I did, why should I buy it at day one?
say what you want about Nintendo but to them it doesn't matter if you buy a game on launch day or after a yer, you're paying full price.
It's gonna be glorious when Pikmin 4 outsells FF XVI.
>FFXVI will potentially sell less than a fricking persona and dragon quest game in its lifetime sales
Honestly sad. Barry had thrblast laugh and so does turnbased chads
It's literally already dying on twitch too. That's why you see all these shills on twitter trying to force constroversy with MUH REVIEW BOMBING to try and garner attention to the game. That's all ff weebs always do.
Saw that too. Already doing worse than Diablo 4 despite that game being released weeks prior.
The big plan of yoship was to fix the mmo and deliver a subpar quality, but enough to be praised by its players accostumed with any mediocre content.
Then fool SE to the point of them giving him the production of a mainline FF game.
One that he would spend insane amounts of money with the intent to kill the franchise.
He's big brained.
But he forgot there's still one man waiting to make his move.
Let Nomura take over Final Fantasy
I have a friend with a PS5 and he literally only uses it to play chivalry 2 with me on pc
When I told him ff16 was out, he was like "oh yeah ?" and didn't even give a shit. The name final fantasy is just completely forgotten
Get woke go broke
>yfw you didn't buy ffxvi
I shall be pirating it on PC.
Skipped ff16
Shall be buying 7R-2
Barry was right.
Apologize.
what was barry supposed to be right about again
Forspoken sold more than 16
Anyone who saw issues with FFXVI was deemed "Barry", so a lot of things.
That XVI was going to flop.
>3 different answers
yeah though so
he was right about a lot of things.
Barry was wrong.
t. Actually playing it.
The numbers don't lie mate. You lost. Barry won.
Why would I he's still a Black person, lol! Anyone who defends Forspoken is not getting an apology from me.
Well, you can only expect consumers to be wary after getting burned twice in a row with 13 and 15. That's usually how it works with series that decline in quality, even if there's a good entry again consumers buy based on prior experience. Perhaps FF17 will have a better reception since 16 has shown that the series won't be dogshit forever.
Barry won FRICK
Rank
>in the end XVI turns out to be a hit
What would you do Ganker?
Nothing, because it's a good game that has a lot of room for improvement if they choose to make a sequel.
So who is taking over the franchise now that Yoshida had his chance in the sun and failed?
Is there even anyone in Square left that has the potential to make an actually good FF game
We'll see in 6 months.
>UK
>boxed
boxed sales in general are down 70% from 2021>2022 (and likely even more from 2022>2023), no one buys physical anymore, in case you missed half the new generation of consoles NOT EVEN HAVING FRICKING DISC DRIVES.
Based, we Barrychads have been vindicated, Yoshi-Piss BTFO.
OK so I've been reading Malazan for two hours now and so far there's been 3 separate post-battlefield descriptions of crows feasting on human flesh. Is this what fantasy is now? Then what do we call the thing where like moogles ride chocobo to a futuristic city on the moon? Because I don't read fantasy to experience grim severe depression.
can you imagine if an old FF game had the world end and one of the main characters tried to commit suicide fricking, or like, a guy accidentally bombs a village and kills a main characters mom at the start of the game
Meanwhile.......much like he had to do in his movie on some legendary meta shit Miles had to go against several box office releases back to back Flash, Mermaid, Elemental, Transformers and bested all the mother frickers and keeps taking back the #1 spot while they all crumble beneath his feet. Absolute chad of the light.
Spiderverse > FFXVI
that shit isnt selling so well. just ok.
It's now Sony's best animated picture of all time. XVI won't even be Sony's best selling FF of all time.
That movie has made nearly $600 million. Anything that's 5x its own budget is a success. Especially if you're able to wiener block multiple Disney movies back to back.
>Black personVERSE
>FINAL homosexualS
WHICH WAY WESTERN MAN?
homieverse everytime. KINO
The way that leads to my own thing.
the little shit ends up in bizarro world so Miguel was right
Just because a mother fricker accidentally went to a different dimension because of his goddamn spider dna being from there doesn't make angst boy right
Player 2
I really liked the first Spiderverse movie but the trailer for this one left me mum. Is it really that good?
Not really, unless you are a huge spiderman comic book cultist. If you just like Toby Macguires Spiderman then it is kinda meh.
Why won't snoys buy games? Do they only buy crappy releases like Horizon and God of Onions?
Will the pc version be good?
Not unless they redo the combat and story
SE ports tend to be bad at release. They have to patch it up
XVI is the XIV team. Most of what they deal with is pc stuff. But yes other SE ports are usually botched in some way by some basement slaves doing the work.
>Barry will samegay "Umm guys I think this Barry guy was right??" adnauseam for the upcoming months
bros...I'm scared...
cool twitch emote who do u sub to
>Said FFXVI would get under 90 in metascore for months
>Said FFXVI would underperform for months
>get laughed at and called Barry by the yoshi p squad
feels good for them to taste their own reality
Have you seen the fricking game? I'd fricking dogshit, what else did you expect?
>Dog shit button mash combat
>Story straight out of a grade school writing class with notes by a horny teenager who can't stop injecting sexc into everything
>Horrendous world design
>Absolutely no RPG at all
It's exactly as I came to expect from YoshiP
I honestly don’t know what this game is about.
Naruto/Attack on Title with a GoTslop veneer and watered down DmC gameplay.
none of those series have any real correlation to one another
quit throwing shit at a wall to see what sticks
Nah story is about slavery of mages somehow with each nation having jinchuriki/Titans. Main Villain is transexual Kaguya and it kills the plot and claims credit for everything just like she does.
NARUTO
What makes it Naruto of all things?
>story about nations who use people with Kaijus inside them as weapons (and some hate and descriminate against them while others use them as walking WMDs)
>main villain turns out to be a pale ayyyylmao who brought magic to the world and wants to combine all the kaijus into a Super Kaiju
society runs on crystal power, which is eating up the earth's supply of magic which causes the land to slowly dry up, wars are fought over dwindling land and resources, there are big powerful guys that eat up tons of magic to turn into monsters and regular guys that eat up magic who are enslaved and used like appliances, all brought on by a greater being. it's pretty standard jrpg faire but shitposters have to go with what sounds the most unappealing and reductive.
Ngl I'm weak minded. I come here and see you fricks shit on a game that's actually good and it makes me sad and not want to play it much. Then I go anywhere else and see almost everyone loves the game and it's story and it makes me feel happy and want to keep playing. So frick you all that influence my mind, that's all I wanted to say
It's all in the numbers anon. You are free to like it or dislike it, but it's a certified flop.
Understand that Ganker has a vested interest in trying to shit on video games, and some posters will actually get very dangerously upset if
>the game drops abruptly and they don't have months of time to shazampost about it
>the game doesn't really have anything to go on, pre-release, so there aren't even theoretical negatives to shazampost about
>the game comes out and it's OK or good, which renders months of shazamposts worthless
>boxed
>uk
All these qualifiers
Your desperation is showing
UHHHHHH YOSHIT PISS SISTERS?
OUR RESPONSE????
UUUGHHHH THE FRANCHISE IS ALREADY DEAD THERE IS NOTHING HE COULD'VE DONE
Seriously, they are saying this now.
lmao
U-uhhhhh... I-I like t-the game and that's all that m-matters!
If the npd charts are any indication square is going to be very happy with 16
>If the npd charts are any indication
Which we won't get until next month.
>going to be very happy with 16
how would you know this
UK MEANS NOTHING b***h SHOW ME THE US + DIGITAL SALES THEN WE CAN TALK
Square Enix might go bankrupt if they keep doing such a shit job financially.
Man, if Rebirth start getting pre order numbers similar to what the first game had, this board will become very funny.
Because it will showcase how the problem isnt with the franchise, but with specific games not attracting people.
The problem is the franchise, they feel the need to reinvent themselves with every game which is what leads to this shit. This game looks almost nothing like FF15 which similarly looked almost nothing like FF13. Unless you are just OK consuming any product the brand itself is almost meaningless, other series you have an idea of what you're getting from the outset.
I think the main problem is that Square still thinks/treats FF like a big name, but in reality FF is now a legacy brand that sells mostly on nostalgia.
The smarter thing would be to transition to lower budget games rather than waste all that dev time and budget on experiments.
Bro
You need to be delusional to think this
The pixel remasters sold more than 2m copies
More sales than mainline jrpg franchises from Nintendo
You might not like FF nowadays. But still is big as frick, telling them to abandon it is the most moronic take ever
Those games being remastered for the 5th time sold more than Xenoblade 3.
Anon, pointing out how well the pixel remasters sold is proving his point. How can you deny FF is carried by its legacy appeal while simultaneously using the fact that its retro remasters sell well as your evidence?
3 years ago FF7R sold in 3 days what RE4R is struggling to surpass after months in ALL PLATFORMS
16 not doing well tells more about the game than the franchise.
And installbase for ps4 is even bigger than what it was when FF7R released.
>3 years ago FF7R sold in 3 days what RE4R is struggling to surpass after months in ALL PLATFORMS
>16 not doing well tells more about the game than the franchise.
When it is capcom = success
When it's SE = failure
different games have different budgets and different expectations for sales potential.
Using the sales of a remake of the most popular FF game is not exactly convincing me that FF isn't mostly held up by nostalgia these days.
>continues to use nostalgia bait remakes as proof the series has a future
anon...
I'm sure that even if 16 ends up being one of the lowest selling titles. It will still make more money than 99% of jrpgs in this industry. So yeah
Solo release on PS5 was probably a dumb decision.
GoT story is why i didnt get it
GO
BUY
A
PS5
Why bother when a bunch of PS5 games are getting ports on PC through Steam?
Even fricking Ratchet and Clank is getting one on Steam this year.
time to fast track the ports to come out once exclusivity is done yoshi piss
"No"
This is why SE is failing while Capcom is doing very well. They don't do time/console exclusives. They put their games everywhere day one, that's how you built a fanbase with your games being on all platforms.
What cope are the fanboys going to use now?
FF15 was absolute dogshit and from what I've seen this is just more of it. Might give it a try when it comes to pc after they finish the alpha on consoles just like they did with ff15. This franchise is so tired and completely lost, it doesn't have a clue of what it's supposed to be. It's like they're still going for full visuals because people praised Final Fantasy for its graphics back then and they think they're still hot shit or something. It's like watching a 40 year old hag wearing the same skimpy clothes she used to wear at 20 and thinking she should still get praised for her looks.
What's the attach rate per console?
>Still managed to get number 1
>UK Boxed only sales
>Also managed to outsell Dead Island and Diablo 4 in that department and D4 had the ability to $600 million in about a week.
This statistic semi means nothing when we don't have the full picture of it yet. Heck the objective is to not "outsell" 15 but to make more in terms of dollar sales than it. I'm not surprised that this is the effect $70 has on games now. Sell less copies but make more money in the process.
DOOMER SHILLS
IT'S OVER
XVI's biggest problem is that it doesn't know what it wants to be.
>starts off with a grounded opening act with clear GoT influences
but
>devolves into your classic "muh God-aliens from outer space is responsible for everything" JRPGslop at the end
>wants to abandon its JRPG/turn-based roots for favor of more high action-based combat
but
>its action mechanics have a very low skill floor and the depth of a puddle - limited combo variations, cooldown-dependent abilities instead of SKILL-dependent abilities, overtly lenient timing windows
>all of which hinders the intrinsic satisfaction of pulling off cuh-ray-zy combos
>promoted all its dominants as major players in the story
but
>only Clive, Cid, Joshua and (barely) Dion got proper characterization, Benedikta and Hugo were treated terribly by the writers, while Jill and Barnabas were disappointingly one-dimensional
>game was advertised to be "open" and "explorable"
but
>first few hours are essentially hyper-linear DMC-corridor stages, and when the game finally opens up there's only 4 semi-open zones with nothing much to do besides hunts (only good part of the open-world) and sidequests (many of which are hit/miss MMO-style fetchquests).
>put an all-white cast that alienates and angers people on the left
but
>made an openly gay man a main character and gave him an intimate scene with his boyfriend which alienated and angered people on the right
The game has no definitive identity, it tries to be everything and ended up being nothing in the end. Which is sad because if we're just going from the demo alone the game unironically had huge potential. But unfortunately it feels like the strongest part of the game was its prologue, the subsequent game did nothing but squandered its own hype and disappointed/angered many.
This to all whiplash you're spamming about doesn't exist.
esl kun...
Tonal* frick me.
>grounded opening act
>mc gets hit with a rock during a fight between demigods and within a flashback literally turns into a demon and turns his bird-transformed brother into a Kakyoin-flavored donut
It's grounded in terms of the narrative it was placed in:
Dominants and eikons exists in this world and they act as nukes for each kingdom - this makes sense.
God is secretly an alien who created Jesus just so he could resurrect his dead kingdom and turn everyone into zombies in the process - makes zero narrative sense.
>XVI's biggest problem is that it doesn't know what it wants to be.
I've seen this shit copypasted on metacritic do many times it already lost any meaning
Parroting homosexual
"It insists upon itself" tier of complaint tbh
>actually going through the metacritic scores to seethe about negative opinions about FFXVI
kek actually obsessed
>all the negative opinions parrot eachother
>notice this
>"obsessed"
hwat
>notice this
by going out of your way to look it up on metacritic, of course.
Looking at negative reviews is not "going out of your way" what the frick
>I've seen this shit copypasted on metacritic
>But I'm not going out of my way
very intriguing posts
>if you look at negative reviews at all you're obsessed
>ESPECIALLY if you notice their contents are identical
>if you look at negative reviews on metacritic
Yes, that is indeed what you did.
This is really boring
>This is really boring
I'm sure you also saw this comment a lot while browsing XVI's metacritic reviews.
get a new line
>I've seen this shit copypasted on metacritic do many times it already lost any meaning
Maybe because its actually true? Why don't you individually rebut the points you disagree with instead of blanketing my arguments with console-warring review bombers on MC.
>squawk
Yeah, I've read all the legit 0 score user reviews, very organic and natural
Frick off, polly
Everyone knows the meta for user reviews is '0 if you didn't like it, 10 if you did like it', you might as well replace it with a thumbs up/down rating.
You don't have an argument to any of my points and it shows. And I don't even hate this game btw - these are just my initial impressions after finishing it last night.
>limited combo variations, cooldown-dependent abilities instead of SKILL-dependent abilities, overtly lenient timing windows
elaborate
Sure
>limited combo variations
Besides your abilities, you only have your basic/aerial combo and magic/aerial bursts in terms of variations. If I'm being generous we can also include Charged Shot/Burning Blade in there, but they serve nothing more other than to juggle/launch enemies, and XVI's Stinger/Helmbreaker aren't JCable anyways so I'm not including them since they're just one-note moves.
Meanwhile in DMC you get different combos just for delaying your melee inputs, or changing Ls direction relative to your locked-on target. And every single move is JCable. In XVI only your basic/aerial combos can be JCed.
>cooldown-dependent abilities instead of SKILL-dependent abilities
All of Clive's Eikonic abilities are limited by cooldown, which means after blasting all your skills during staggers you're basically just playing a waiting game while alternating between your basic combos/bursts after that. Meanwhile in other action games we can pull off any ability/combo anytime we like as long as we have the finger dexterity to pull it off (Royal-guard, Judgment Cut, Witch Time etc.)
>overtly lenient timing windows
Self-explanatory. This game is too lenient in terms of its timing-windows. Even parrying is easy as frick if you use Burning Blade. Tablehopping on Nero is harder than parrying in this game. That alone should tell you how mechanically shallow it is.
All you did was prove you have knowledge of Devil May Cry, and are using that game to compare a game that really isn't attempting to be Devil May Cry. You're also staggeringly wrong about cooldown usage, because if you are owing them all on a stagger, you are actively making your non-Stagger state much longer, radically drawing out fights as a result. You should be able to easily weave your cooldowns during both stages, assuming you are good at remembering internal clocks between 6 moves, and adjust on the fly.
>All you did was prove you have knowledge of Devil May Cry, and are using that game to compare a game that really isn't attempting to be Devil May Cry.
All the pre-release talk and shilling certainly made it seem like that's what they were going for.
"Plays like Devil May Cry," when comparing how a new Final Fantasy game is more true than it is not.
This leads me back to my initial point doesn't it? Game doesn't know what it wants to be.
Why the frick did they keep advertising the game to be some kind of DMC-lite - every single time I see promo for the game's combat I always hear "oh, it's combat designer did DMC 5", when, at least according to you, it actually "really isn't attempting to be Devil May Cry".
So which is it? Do you want a cooldown management combat system similar to an MMO is or do you want to be a full-on action game the way DMC is.
Because the way it is now, it's not particularly engaging in any of those fronts. The devs desperately needs to pick something and just fricking commit to it 100%.
>Why the frick did they keep advertising the game to be some kind of DMC-lite
Because they didn't
They advertised it as an action game with staff from DMC/Dragon's Dogma
There's an Odin ability called phase step or something that just cancels you out of any animation, with no cooldown if you perform it during a similar timing window to Torgal commands. Not saying DMC isn't more complicated, I just think very few people actually understand the extent of the moveset in FFXVI.
I know about Rift Slip, I didn't bring it up because I find it stupid to have to sacrifice an ability slot (we only have fricking 6) just so I can perform a universal animation-cancel.
Not all eikon abilities have cooldowns, and the ones that are charge up so fast that the only way you're struggling with cool downs is if you blow through all 6 at once. Not to mention there are equips to make cool down times even lower
Your point would make sense if the game didn't lock you to only 2 Eikons for the first 10-15 hours of gameplay. We only get Ramuh after we invade the capital's crystal right before pre-timeskip ends.
Also most of Ramuh's abilities feel incredibly useless (besides the Ult, which has a long CD anyways). And we don't get Titan until another 5 hours more into the game. So that's 20 hours with 2 Eikons and only 5 worthwhile abilities.
The average player is going to start to get tired of combat when playing with such a limited toolkit since, again as I've established, there's not much variation in combos in the first place.
If this is about the average player, the average player isn't going to do 90% of the shit you said you could do in dmc. But if you utilize the 2 sets of eikon you have (phoenix, garuda) really well with the moveset you have outside of it, I guarantee you cool downs won't be an issue
Gamer psychology 101: The average player would rather know that the skill ceiling for a game is incredibly high and that he needs to put in time and practice to be able to perform as well as the best players, rather than the skill ceiling being mediocrely limited.
Because what's the point of finding creative ways to do cuh-ray-zy combos if its too easy and anyone else can do them too?
DMC combo videos even till this day still get hundreds of thousands of views because the creativity you can unleash is endless, meanwhile with XVI it'll only be a matter of time before some guy out there finds an "optimal ability rotation for max DPS" because everything is so limited and simple to use.
>let's put this AoE MMO-esque totem on the ground while I completely hinder my mobility because I need to stick near to the totem just so I can hit it!!
It's shit. Once I leave the totem's AoE (because I'm too busy juggling enemies) it literally becomes completely useless.
>Also most of Ramuh's abilities feel incredibly useless
>Unironically thinks Lightning Rod is useless
You are blowing your entire argument over being a mechanics know-it-all with this one statement alone.
Lightning rod into gouge or ignition is pretty frickin' funny.
>DMChad who knows what he's talking about single-handedly BTFOs every single FFtroony ITT
This thread should have ended here tbh.
>Everyone wondering why this game bombed in Britbong land
DO YOU homieS EVEN REALIZE HOW SHIT THE ENGLISH DUB IS
IT'S LEGIT UNBEARABLE
?????????
what's the matter little fella? can't handle actual stage actors?
I could accept stage actors if they were actually good but Clive and Jill suck ass
UHHHH STAGE ACTOR BROS WHAT HAPPENED
ITS NOT LIKE PEOPLE STILL DEBATE ABOUT FFXIV'S DUB BEING DOGSHIT SURELY HIRING THE SAME COMPANY COULDN'T HAVE PRODUCED SIMILARLY DIVISIVE RESULTS
The shit dub was the animax tier Burger dub during ARR. Of course a doomie wouldn't know that
The script was written with English in mind first. The game doesn't even have Japanese lipsyncing.
Not enough gay kiss scenes.
>Is a bigger franchise than Final Fantasy
I actually can't believe anyone cares for Pikmin. I played the first and was done with it.
IGod this week will be fun I am all excited.
>"ff"16 bombing every region
>get to see salt romano damage control on gematsu abd ban everyone not deepthroating sony
>tuesday the FTC vs MS&ABK hearings continue
>final words on thursday and FTC got nothing accomplished the very important fist 2 days
Clives dies at the end of the game and jill didnt even have a child of him kek
So what actually changes if enough morons parrot eachother that FF16 is somehow denied its spot as a "real" Final Fantasy game, like what happens if everybody somehow all agree that this isn't actually a Final Fantasy game
What changes
MMOtrannies kill themselves out of depression sooner than they would otherwise
FF16 isn't an MMO, nice try
No I won't kill myself nor will I become a troony if magically FF16's card is revoked
>MMO quests
>MMO dungeons
>MMO assets
>MMO OST
The only think keeping it from being an offline MMO is the combat system and even some action mmos have more depth and complexity than FFXVI
>It's an MMO because IT JUST IS, OKAY
Lol
It's literally made by devs they pulled from XIV. Monsters are XIV asset flip. Composer is from XIV who uses remixed XIV tunes
>Monsters are XIV asset flip.
I think you're actually blind
you are genuinely moronic. Like sub 1iq kind of moronic.
It's okay to like an watered down DMC clone made by mmo devs. No need to be embarassed.
it's okay to move on to some other repeated, stupid talking-point when i can't recover from looking like a fricking idiot
>It's okay to like an watered down DMC clone made by mmo devs.
that actually sounds great though as opposed to how modern mmos work
>No need to be embarassed.
projection the post
>it's fine when other companies do it!
go back
>>MMO quests
>>MMO dungeons
>>MMO assets
>>MMO OST
How do morons like you remember to breath. All of these were first copied from regular games, MMO's didnt invent any of this shit you dumbass
kys troony
>make a singleplayer ff14
>surprised nobody cares
kek
>One of the best games of all time, Bloodborne sold only 2mil copies
When will people learn that exclusive deals are cancer
Is it really that hard to add shit like elemental dmg? like okay we designed an ice enemy so we will simply increase the fire dmg and decrease everything else and maybe add an increased fire visual effect against it, i really don't understand why is that so hard?
Enemies barely have any depth to them and there's no scoring system/time trial unlike DMC. Probably never occurred to them to add it.
Just got titan. who should i swap out for him?
Doesn't matter. Ifrit 1 shots trash mobs and the other abilities are cycled for a quit stagger. It literally doesn't fricking matter.
quick stagger *
>boxed
Man you homosexuals are grasping at straws
Hi FFXVI kun
>boxed sales
Only a moron expected an exclusive from a console with a small install base to outsell a game that was released for multiple platforms with much higher bases.
It's not a sales competition, what matters is the profit (wwhich takes into account however much Square got paid for the exclusivity, and the budgets of each games - which, since it had a much less troubled history, 16 was probably much cheaper to make than the mess of Versus 13-to-15), and, for FF in it's current state, the fan reception.
It's unironically more important for the franchise that this game is good than that it sells, so 17 can get released with higher hype and maybe go back to being the blockbuster the franchise deserves to be. And that is why Barry has lost - because 16 is having to save the franchise's reputation from 15.
How can Barry "win" if 15 is still shit? 16 being worse than 15 doesn't make 15 suddenly a "win".
>How can Barry "win"
because you've made everyone who doesn't like this game "barry" so if the game fails "barry" wins
>because you've made everyone who doesn't like this game "barry"
No people are pretty clear on who the Australian FFXV fanboy that thinks "yoshit piss" is hilarious is when they talk about Barry
The only advantage of physical anymore is if you re-sell the game after finishing or are an autistic shelf hoarder that needs to have some physical dimension to a collection.
Otherwise, like 90% of people buy digital on release because you can just download and play right away.
final troony sisters, how are you coping today?
feels like all the dedicated spazzes have exactly one punchline they keep telling over and over tbh
that happens for not selling it on pc and xbox
not everyone has a ps5
>ff15 had a fricking cycle of changes over the years that did not pan out
played like a fiddle
>Boxed
Digital sales make up like 90% of the market, are we trying to pretend those fancy physical editions now are the norm?
You just got explained why thats wrong
......where dumbass, your the one trying to pretend that 10% is more important then the fricking 90%
You include mobile gacha sales and DLC as part of the 90% figure
>locked on a console that has no exclusives and literally nobody wants aside from third worlders and burgers that want to play sports games and nothing else
>not even a real exclusive and will be on pc within the year
>sales expectedly suck dick
This shit would have sold more on the fricking shitch but yoshitpiss decided he had to ruin everything by dealing with sony instead of releasing it on the pc from the get go
>it's ok when bloodborne did it!
ps4 also had no games what's you on about
Its wild how everytime there is a thread talking about any games sales its also before all the number come out. Such a dishonest bunch.
DON'T PUT THE BLAME ON ME
I have no sympathy for this game bombing
>The cult repeatedly lies about how XIV is the only thing keeping SE afloat, when its actually gacha that has been the breadwinner ever since XIV 1.0 bombed
>any time you have any comment that wasn't praising XVI, you would be called barry on reflex.
>CBU3 itself get an ego and think they're hot shit.
>Market the XVI leads as if they're an All Star team of devs when in reality they're just mmo devs and one guy who happened to be a part of the DMC combat team.
>They call other FF games childish and add in unneeded swearing and gore to be edgy.
>Whine about JRPG as if its a new term that was made up to marginalize Japanese games.
>Pick on the low-hanging fruit that is FFXV and then proceed to make some of the same mistakes that game did (Bragging about how the game wouldn't need to have a day 1 patch and then did anyway for example)
>Marketers flooded the board after the demo came and insisted that the tide had turned. That XVI was actually going to sell great. But then it turns its universally agreed upon that the demo was the highlight of the game and it gets worse the more you play it.
they deserve it honeslty. Them and the moronic cult they built around themselves.
>I have no sympathy for this game bombing
>The cult
lol didn't read the rest
and here's a member now
it's not my fault you opened up on a demented aussie's favorite scapegoat
yes, yoshi p has a cult following. The fans have a weird parasocial relationship with him
Lol
What does sucking down Bazztek's brown wiener and talking points get you, anon, the attention isn't worth it. You'll never measure up to the loon you're copying
Not sure why anyone would be happy about a company being kept afloat because of gacha
Would be like Konami fans praising the pachinko business when they ended up killing everything for it
NO PC NO BUY
Here come the cultists with their "most games are sold digital" cope kek. Every time a game underperforms badly they pull out the ol reliable.
and it's funny cause there is no way to track digital shit, they can make up any number they want to look good.
as can physical hold-outs that want to ignore the much more convenient sales method, and the only possible sales method for an entire console SKU
People are really underestimating convenience. Most players were waiting on the demo to decide one way or another and right after the demo completed it offered to send you directly to the PS Store.
ye if i have the option between a physical copy and a digital download i'll probably take the download since it'll arrive to me way sooner, even considering fast shipping options or the fact that i don't have a data cap
t. all my internet is over 5G
All I know is that whenever my friends pre-order physical copies of any game nowadays they always end up stressing about it arriving on time, a lot of the times it doesn't.
Digital is way better and that's why everyone is buying their games and such that way.
Nobody is making up any number though other than anti shills using moronic shit like Amazons little black text that supposedly says 5k buyers in the last month and literally making up a number based off that
Except they are using real sales numbers
Just last year 90% of all game sales were digital. You boomers need to realize the age of physical media is over.
Yeah when you include DLC microtransactions and download only shit
Those are from gacha games and it's mostly thanks to whales. This isn't to say that Squeenix isn't making most of their money through gacha at the moment.
Their financials show that FFXIV does pull in the most money out of any of their games iirc
Not literally most of their money made through revenue/profit (though it does make a significant portion of it), but FFXIV is a high enough cash flow *entirely on its own* that it eclipses any other single given game
Gacha games are much cheaper to develop and maintain and will always have a higher install base thanks to phones.
Doesn't matter, it takes a metric frickton of gacha games to equal FFXIV's solo profit. 14.1 billion yen between FFXIV and that Dragon Quest MMO (FFXIV makes up the vast majority of it, FFXI is not worth mentioning in terms of profit) vs. 23.7 billion across a very large number of gacha games which they note are becoming less profitable and aren't being offset by new gachas.
>FFXIV's solo profit.
*one of three mmos in that division.
**only sometimes gets close to gacha numbers when both dq and xiv have an expansion releasing that year
fixed that for you.
I am snapping my fingers in front of your face to get your attention. You aren't getting the point, nobody is saying FFXIV brings in more profit than the entire gacha division. Somebody IS saying
>FFXIV makes up the majority of the MMO division's profits.
>Of those three MMOs, only DQ and FFXIV are worth mentioning.
>FFXIV makes more money than DQ.
Which leads to the point you are dead-set on missing
>FFXIV is singlehandedly more profitable than multiple gachas put together.
>Gachas are becoming less profitable on Square Enix's end and they can't throw more gachas onto the pile to keep them profitable.
Gachas are not more profitable than their MMOs, pound-for-pound. It takes a very large amount of gacha games being run and maintained to pull in the profit that it does, and that chain link is weakening.
>FFXIV is singlehandedly more profitable
*when an its an expansion year
>Gachas are becoming less profitable on Square Enix's
>and that chain link is weakening.
By this logic so are the mmos, since all 3 sectors were down this year.
I know you're desperate to defend your precious mmo, but you shouldn't leave out info when making your delusional argument.
>FFXIV is singlehandedly more profitable
*when an its an expansion year
The chart posted was for a fiscal quarter, not an expansion year. Nice try, "desperate to defend your precious mmo."
So there's three MMOs and how fricking many gachas
>includes mobile games, old games and indie games that are not sold physically. If the majority of game sales were really digital then no exclusive game would ever be sold physically, because these suckers cost a shit ton to make/ship and you lose 30% to retailers.
>remove party building
>simplify gearing and skill choices
>turn it into a linear corridor simulator
this hack actually thought it would fly in a non-mmo
Turn based and ATB chads are the only winners today, real time combat gays lost
I should have known this game was gonna be shit. all the signs were there, from the inclusion of the journalist accessories to the giant marketing push, and now that I played it for 23 hours so far, it's a fricking joke of a video game and a stain on the Final Fantasy name. I honestly have a worse taste in my mouth than what I had with XV, which is fricking crazy.
>It is all digital sales, it sold gangbusters!!
Is this the new cope?
>haw haw physical sales are low if you accept my extremely specific definition of low, cope morons *dabs*
You tell me, anon.
Ah yes another moron who thinks boxed office sales matter when they only make up 10% of game sales these days
>Don't wan't this to be the future of FF
>Don't buy it
Simple as
>People said FFXV is absolute turd without any FF element
>7R and XVI double down on the turd part of XV
LMAO, SE is fricking moron.
The issue is that the core gameplay of the real time games is bad, meaning that any “improvement” is just putting sprinkles on shit
If this was a brand new IP, people would be praising it as Square Enix's Dragon's Dogma.
Nah they'd call it Devil May Asura's Wrath. And then make jokes about it featuring Kaguya from the Naruto series.
Yeah, because the last time SE made a new IP it went so well.
>UK
it even got advertising too, imagine what all that advertising could have done for a better game