Final Fantasy VII Remake Part 3 to get a happy ending.
Kitase has been pushing for a happy ending since the project started and it looks like hes getting his way. What do you want in your happy ending? Will the plot points from Rebirth get resolved the way they should?
They're finally putting in the Tifa/Scarlet mud wrestling match? Frick yeah.
Zack and Aerith either dead or fricked off to their own world where everyone else in the cast is dead
Sephiroth accepts his death/humanity instead of creating Jenova cancer
With the plot of Remake these are the only two things I care to see
>With the plot of Remake these are the only two things I care to see
If you only a few braincells, sure.
Reminder that Remake Sephiroth and Rebirth Sephiroth are different
Remake Sephiroth uses "ore" in Japanese like before he went crazy showing he's a good guy, Rebirth Sephiroth uses "watashi" same as the usual evil Sephiroth
Can't wait to meet my bro again.
>Reminder that Remake Sephiroth and Rebirth Sephiroth are different
Neither of them are Sephiroth, amigo.
I really want these games to deliver a fully sentient, fully alive, full power Jenova fight on par with something like Lavos mixed with Ultimecia. Make it non canon if they must. You could even redeem sephy via it with him as an ally. If they are doing fanfic shit anyway, its what i want to see the most.
i hope they pull a devil may cry 3
>villain joins good guys to kill the other villain
>then afterwards the villain fights the good guys again
that way you can have the kino gameplay moment of playing as full power sephiroth and still have the canon showdown between cloud and sephiroth afterwards
>i hope they pull a devil may cry 3
You don't even need to go that far. FFXIV did this. I really wish they would just go 100% with the fanfic and do something actually interesting like this though.
jesus christ this would be amazing, I always wanted a LOT more out of jenova synthesis
Wait, Advent Children is Canon?
Yes. Why would it not?
because it sucks
zack comes back, but only because cloud dies instead so he can return to the planet and be with aerith
would you rather Kyrie or Cissnei join the team? or both at the same time?
Why Kyrie? Shes so insignificant to the story and as side character as you can get. Cissnei at least plays a major role between Crisis Core and chapter 9
Full Ultimania translations have dropped
https://www.frontlinejp.net/2024/04/17/final-fantasy-vii-rebirth-post-release-interview-part-1/
>Nojima was against the idea of the game ending there for some time, wanting the game to end with Tifa falling into the mako reactor in Gongaga, saying that he did not like the idea of using Aerith’s fate as a hook, thinking it would be better to use Tifa in such a way instead.
That madman
This should confrim that Aerith absolutely lives then, from the writer himself. If Rebirth ended at the reactor, then part 3 would start with Aerith alive and require all of the dating stuff to be in place, since the GS date didn't happen yet. Then the FC stuff would happen within 10 hours into the story, which seems certain they wouldn't kill Aerith off for good.
>Nojima was against the idea of the game ending there for some time, wanting the game to end with Tifa falling into the mako reactor in Gongaga
imagine the padding
So did he want 4 games? 5?
What the frick is going on with these old farts brain?
Like, what does it take for them to think that all these changes are good or needed? What kind of shit did they inhale?
MaximilianDood's videos
Like for real, Nomura literally told the guy that the dev team watches his videos and he fricking alludes to him in the ultimania interview too
Max pls
Not even kidding
>the true identity of Viceroy Sarruf is also something to be revealed in the third game, but Nomura says that going by streams of the game he has watched, quite a number of people have already figured it out.
kek nomura and his silly twists
remember when everyone and their mother instantly guessed jack was jack garland and thus chaos
Not a single fricking soul that played that game didn’t figure that out. The ending blatantly reveals it. This is your confirmation bias at work.
wait who's sarruf
anon.. its a phonetic anagram
ruffas
Some secretive man who works from the shadows. They say he wears glasses
lmao, was sarruf being rufus actually supposed to be a twist
This is Nomura we're talking about
This is kinda pissing me off. I really hope you're lying.
Kitase played other 1:1 remakes and got bored beyond the initial feeling of nostalgia. So he wanted to do something to make 7’s refreshing.
>anon sees the statue of David for the 10th time and gets bored of looking at it
>he decides to cut off some limbs and head to make it refreshing
DO NOT REDEEM THE SEPHIROTH!!!
They're lying. In Zack's timeline the Avalanche party is all dead.
I don't understand this part. How did Cloud survive then? I get Aerith because of all the wacky shit going on with her but there's nothing special about Cloud in that particular instance. If Cloud can just be in a coma then why not Barret or Tifa?
I don't know how you missed it, but Cloud was never in Midgar. He had been dragged by Zack all the while. The implication is that the Avalanche party was acting on their own and helped Aerith and Red on their own in that timeline and they failed and died.
But Elmyra and Marlene know about Cloud, and everything from Remake. I think its more likely that Cloud was indeed there, he just disappeared from his own world. Also Cloud was merc hired by Avalanche, hes not really a member.
Elmyra didn't know him. Marlene and Biggs do. Cloud is associated with Avalanche and appeared on their wanted posters in beagleverse. And the most obvious one is that Zack had been dragging Cloud for a year from Nibelheim to Midgar before that point. Cloud's still wearing the SOLDIER outfit from when he woke up in Nibelheim.
>Elmyra didn't know Cloud Marlene and Biggs do.
Yes. Was Marlene also transported to Zack's timeline, or is she somehow a gifted entity, that has a connection to the lifestream? The latter was hinted at, because she was clearly able to describe Sephiroth and can also predict future events.
Nothing about Marlene makes any sense. Just turning her into magical psychic child because "little girl = magic." They don't even seem like they're planning to explain it. They're just using her as little miss exposition.
>t. didn't play remake
Aerith, while still in "lifestream connection mode" touched Marlene and gave her glimpses into the lifestream/future in remake during the plate falling, just as she did with red (who has the same shit). The "Aerith" Cloud goes on a date with around sector 5 slums can roughly be considered "lifestream Aerith" or "dream Aerith" or some shit - the one that the main, living Aerith in rebirth was connected to and borrowed memories from. In the lifestream time isn't linear and both lifestream versions of Aerith and Sephiroth clearly have some timefrickery bullshit from post-AC. The Marlenes are connected through Aerith and have vague "glimpses" of the other world through that bullshit. Aerith describes how her memories of the future went away but were never like "full" memories in rebirth.
Play the fricking games.
I did and it makes no fricking sense. Lifestream Aerith has frick all to do with Marlene. Showing up to give her ghost powers is random nonsense.
That's the thing. We all did play the games. But even if that's all true, the way it's conveyed to the player is obtuse and messy as shit. Like trying to tell someone 2+2 =4 but instead of just typing that you go:
>Conjoining one with another and then convalescing with thrice sans a single doth equivocate to a digit amounting that is greater than the trinity but less than the number representing God's grace in the Old Testament.
What if Don Corneo got to rape Tifa in that timeline...
MY HAPPY ENDING IS SQUAREENIX GOING BANKRUPT
FRICK NOMURA
FRICK NOJIMA
FRICK KITASE
FRICK DERANGED SHIPPERS
You stuff your face full of whatever shit as long as it's has muh Tifa and muh Aerith and muh Cloud and muh Sephiroth
SO MORE THAN ALL OF THE ABOVE, FRICK YOU IF YOU LIKE THIS GARBAGE
https://www.frontlinejp.net/2024/04/18/final-fantasy-vii-rebirth-post-release-interview-part-6-devs-discuss-the-climax-and-the-final-game/
>Kitase says that considering his age, the third game will likely be the last time he can be directly involved with a Final Fantasy game. While there is a possibility that the world of FF7 may continue on after it
NOMURA AND NOJIMA PRESENT FINAL FANTASY VII-2, 2030
>FINAL FANTASY VIII-2
ftfy
God I hope so, I've been waiting around 25 years for a sequel (in b4 "ff7 remake is a sequel!" Shut the frick up)
I also hope if they come out with a sequel someone based and redpilled makes a demake out of it in the original psx ff7 style.
They are going to revive aeris/th don't they?
Yes, why else introduce change the fate of ff7
Multiverses. Did you not play the game?
It's all ploy to revive Aerith, at least until the end of part 3.
Then it would be better if they made it clear that Aerith died, and that Cloud knows that she's dead.
>multiverses
Yes, with an obvious purpose. 1 world where the party is dead but Zack and Aerith are alive and 1 where the party is alive and they’re dead. How convenient
It's as if they're in the lifestream or something.
Being in the lifestream is but a minor inconvenience at this point.
Seriously, Aerith's fate at the end of Rebirth is the same fricking thing as Goku hanging out with King Kai.
I have a lot of problems with the way death is handled in FF7. Because the idea is that everyone who dies passes into the Lifestream. Their lives and their memories join the collective and then it's redistributed into new life who will then live and gain new experiences and then add those to the Lifestream. All life is the same, we all return to the earth, because in the end it's the planet that matters not any individual. So why the frick, after years, has Aerith not diffused into the Lifestream yet? Why is she still her own person after being dead? Okay maybe some kind of unexplained Cetra magic keeps her around longer. Pretty sure Ifalna wishes she thought of that but fine. But then why the frick is Zack still around? He's just a guy right? Not a Cetra or an alien? Why does he get a separate universe dedicated to him specifically? What makes Zack so special other than he fricked Aerith? Marketing?
>So why the frick, after years, has Aerith not diffused into the Lifestream yet? Why is she still her own person after being dead?
Lifestream white basically reveals it as almost being optional for cetra. They can decide when they return to the lifestream. She decides not to because of Sephiroth. But remake made everything even more muddy with Zack living in a multiverse and even fricking Wedge being able to communicate to Barret.
Probably because Zack is a hero. When he died he was raised up by Angeal.
>is a hero
That is a non explanation, anon.
He's touched by mako then
So like every other SOLDIER?
Yes, but Zack more
>the interviewer asks what the white feather falling on Zack and Cloud at the beginning of the game means, and Nomura says that maybe it is alluding to something, using a pun for the Japanese word for “allude” to seemingly refer to Angeal who appeared in Crisis Core.
revived by angeal's fricking ghost
Because the writers are shit at their jobs and can't maintain internal consistency. Based on these three anons, death has no permanence and people can come back at anytime like Goku. Abysmal writing. FF7 was a fluke.
>Zack taps that in a white void.
She'll be revived, but as a character named Aeris.
I think shes already saved and is alive in a branching timeline. Part three will involve bringing her back.
>2 has the worst sales in the entire franchise
>3 to receive budget cuts
>Indian outsourcing
What exactly is happy here
The original had a happy ending
He specifically says he wants “the characters” to have a happier ending this time
This is literally all I wanted out of a fricking remake. All they had to do was change this from the OG. And nothing else. They could literally change things up for vets while not butchering everything else at the same time. Everyone is happy, no need for time jannies. The End. Square-Enix earns 10 trillion dollars from Remake, lolomgwtfbbq
Everyone is actually happy. Aerith died smiling in Rebirth, Zack died smiling in CCR.
I meant the ending to FF7. Not the ambiguous trash we got in the OG.
>remake was shit
>rebirth was shit
>reunion will be shit
Reddit Fantasy: 7 Redditbirth
>Aerith silently mouths “yokatta ne” (“I’m glad for you”) to Tifa after she returns after falling into the mako reactor in Gongaga is brought up by the interviewer, who asks about the intentions behind this. Nojima says that he had always wanted to have a character just mouthing words without saying them, and proposed such scenes in many previous games, but they had always ended up subtitled because people might think it is a bug that characters’ mouths are moving even though nothing is being said, and he finally got it to happen for real in Rebirth. Toriyama also adds that there are other scenes with dialogue just being mouthed and not said.
Nomura has the final say, and in the ultimatum, he still wants it to have the somber ending that FF7 had. I don't think they revive Aerith. It will mostly be Zack and Aerith in the light, smiling at Cloud, who goes on to be with Tifa like in Advent Children. If we're going full Nomura that KH2 shit is what will happened just replace them with Zack/Aerith & Cloud/Tifa
Normura seems to have straightened his shit out though. As crazy as Remake's story has been, it doesn't have the same feel as Kingdom Hearts.
>it doesn't have the same feel as Kingdom Hearts.
Honestly KH1 and 2 aren't even that convoluted. The stuff that anon is referencing is one of the better parts and it would be nice if we still kept the bittersweet ending even if they do something else.
Kitase has final say as producer and being the highest positioned man on the whole project within SE.
Kitase's higher and literally says he wants a happy ending
https://www.frontlinejp.net/2024/04/18/final-fantasy-vii-rebirth-post-release-interview-part-6-devs-discuss-the-climax-and-the-final-game/
Nomura already had his somber shit with FFXV and FFXVI. So mother fricking sick of endings like that.
Who was talking to Aerith in her room at Johnny's hotel before Red XIII intervened and they talked about the white materia? I couldn't make out who's voice it was.
It's me. I keep watch for her bathing.
Red
But how?
Have you finished the game yet?
Yes. I don't understand how that conversation was happening. Though maybe I missed something.
Red fakes his voice for the first half of the game. He tries to sound mature and older, when he really has the kid voice that he reveals to everyone later on. The scenes with Aerith set up this reveal, because Red is able to Aerith in private using his real voice.
But doesn't Red himself walk in and ask who she was talking to? From what I remember she's having a conversation in her room, Red walks in and asks who she was with or something like that, and she then pulls out the newly clear white materia and asks what color it is. What was the deal with that mysterious conversation?
There are two scenes.
One in Junon where its Cloud who hears Red/Nanaki's real voice from outside the room, and when he enters he asks who that was. Red and Aerith play it off like they don't know.
The second scene is in CDS when Aerith is showering. We don't see Red speaking at this time because the camera is focused on Aerith showering. When Aerith drys off and gets changed the camera shifts over to Red and he changes his voice back. Aerith and Red don't question the voice.
I see. So I'm just conflating the two in my mind. Thanks.
Laugh at this schizo everyone
I was in SOLDIER, bro. Back the frick off!
Cloudo gets the real massage from madam m?
We need Madam M riding Cloud while Tifa watches in horror
>Nomura says that the story is already done, and they are close to beginning recording voices for it. However, Kitase has recently passed him a request to do something extremely important that was not in the original game, and he personally thinks it will be something very difficult to do. He is currently polishing the idea, and says that if pulled off right will be something that the fans will definitely be happy about, and so he is thinking about how to make it sound convincing.
He’s forcing nomura to do it lmao. I bet they had fights over this.
its playable advent children
What about that is hard to make convincing? That’s literally story they already have and some added fights.
It's obviously the Aerith cloud reunion
Sex minigame like the squats/pull-ups/situps minigame was.
It's sex under the Highwind
The Western VAs will do it but will the Jap VAs?
Especially Tifa/Yuffie/Aeris?
Since there are timelines maybe choice can change the outcomes and get different endings, like one where Aerith lives. But that would be too much work for a game they are planning on releasing in 3 years.
>FFVII suddenly turns into Mass Effect 3 at the end
These maniacs might do that shit.
I mean, they introduced this timelines bullshit and have done absolutely nothing with it. Both Remake and Rebirth are like 90% the same shit as the original game. They have changed almost nothing. Zack is completely irrelevant too... Maybe give him an ending with another Aerith or something.
>a game they are planning on releasing in 3 years.
That was fake news reported by shit news sites based on a lie from a twitter shitter. The full translation already dropped and they never say when the game is coming out.
All they said was
>That same team is now even more experienced and will be continuing on to work on the third game, and the story is already completed, and so he thinks it will take a relatively short time in terms of how big the game will be for it to be completed.
It's definitely not coming any sooner than two years at least. The turnaround can't be any faster than that just because of the realities of game development and publishing.
The twitter bullshit said
>Kitase mentions FF7 Rebirth was actually done within 3 years since about one year was developing the DLC, and he hopes to be able to stick with that schedule for Part 3 too.
Full translation
https://www.frontlinejp.net/2024/04/18/final-fantasy-vii-rebirth-post-release-interview-part-6-devs-discuss-the-climax-and-the-final-game/
>Kitase notes that Remake was released in 2020 and Rebirth in 2024, and that one year was spent on Intergrade meaning that Rebirth actually took three years to develop: Being able to develop such a huge title in just three years was because they had the same team as Remake, with know-how and communication channels fully matured. That same team is now even more experienced and will be continuing on to work on the third game, and the story is already completed, and so he thinks it will take a relatively short time in terms of how big the game will be for it to be completed.
Translation is barely different. 2027 is a safe bet.
come on anon, its so obvious they want to make the anniversary date be the release date, which means 2027 is the year
And where did they say or even suggest that?
What makes its difficult? Almost every big open world game has multiple endings nowadays. Its not like the journey to get the ending changes much.
will the weapons show up in part iii?
already confirmed in ultimania interview they're going to walk around the world map
rebirth is filled with ruby, diamond and emerald weapon easter eggs (posters, tiaras)
they are 100% showing up, though maybe nit optional anymore.
no, wedge ate them
i am telling you, the advent children content is 100% turned into gameplay now
That is the one thing i wanted from these "Remakes" back before we knew the nonsense they were adding. I really hate games that have important story elements in non game medium you are expected to care about. The gameplay would have worked fine for adaptation AC into an actual epilogue end.
What important story does AC have to tell exactly? Because it actively undoes everything achieved in FF7
Geostigmata shit that ties into Dirge of Cerberus and Edge city or whatever its called. Of course you can just ignore everything after the original game, but AC is important if you care about the after event lore.
cloud ends up happy and sephiroth gets purged for good (though seemingly not i guess seeing as he is timetravelling)
As an epilogue AC works well. Cloud has a new moveset with the Fusion Sword and Sephiroth is back. And a Kadaj boss works too I guess.
You know what would be hilarious? If all the Advent Children shit is just Chadley VR missions.
Then what about DoC?
Genesis was sleeping through all of Dirge of Cerberus.
hmmm
Remember what means when a character is sleeping in Rebirth?
>Genesis was sleeping through all of Dirge of Cerberus.
>hmmm
>Remember what means when a character is sleeping in Rebirth?
Genesis is gonna appear in part 3 and give the biggest lore dump on earth about how he was travelling through different worlds.
I mean they already referenced Advent Children in the first part wit the end game trio of mini bosses.
>Final Fantasy VII Remake Part 3 to get a happy ending.
Frick off Anno, I won't be a wagie
This will happen at the end of FF7 100% in some way.
>cloud and cissnei become a couple
Cloud driving fenrir to the sunset.
Cloud becomes a Shinra wagie and is married to Kyrie, who is also a Shinra wagie
>FFVR3 introduces a new female that Cloud gets together with in the end
Frick off. Frick right off.
Still can't get over this garbage fricking ending.
It's more fun if you ignore the story and lore.
I love my husband, Cloud.
Cloud and co will be transported to Paris.
Very interesting how this is an actual plot point now. Theories?
Why pray there is she knows she's going to get killed?
Aerith still will always sacrifice herself if she needs to because that's the character she is, the point is more about how she will always try to escape this fate if she can. And the fact this is a main plot element in this story tells a lot.
So what fate has she defied?
The point is how she wants to, but is always unable because she has other priorities, like the planet and helping cloud. That's why noura said she WANTS TO, and it mixes with the theme introduced in rebirth. Iti s not just a red herring.
Doesn't seem like she wanted to. All she did was follow the script of the OG.
Wrong because the context of her actions is absolutely different in this trilogy. In the og game she didnt even know she was going to die, that's why she even promised to cloud she would return in the sleeping forest scene. Something she doesnt do in remake's version because she knows what will happen.
So she begrudgingly but smilingly followed her fate then
NOOOO IT IS A RED HERRING DEFYING YOUR FATE ISNT A THEME IN THIS TRILOGY
It means she will survive or be brought back in some way at the end of the third game.
>No [Fates] await at Journey's End
>"Fate and Destiny, are no guarantee."
Are you guys really not getting this?
>"Aerith's promise is her fate, the one she wants to escape"
>"There is no fate or promise at the end"
She's definitely going to survive. The issue is what conditions are going to come with that. It's not necessarily a guarantee of a 100% happy ending. In fact, it kind of hints at a bittersweet one that's better but still hurts like a b***h.
Yeah my question is how they will do it. Will they close things with a loop but sephiroth will be gone this time? who knows.
I think Aerith and Zack will be alive but forced to occupy a parallel universe because of some frickery that prevents them from staying in beagle. So there's still going to be a sad goodbye but now they're at least able to have a future. The whole Advent Children linking up angle would work well with this since it would just retcon Aerith's scenes in that movie as being the alternate universe as opposed to the lifestream and still justify Cloud feeling guilty because she's basically in multiverse jail.
No because the whole loveless shit is based on aerith and cloud as hamaguchi said it himself. So the "promise(not a promise)" of reunion revolve around Cloud and Aerith. If the story of loveless in rebirth was based on zack i would agree with you, but the slave who becomes hero is clearly cloud.
Yeah the whole puppet talk. Alphred is Cloud 100%. Which is crazy because i saw someone today say he is Zack. When it makes no sense, only if you project the cc's version of loveless into this one.
But even if you do, Alphred at the start is the prisoner. He goes through a hero's journey.
The complication is that Cloud is still partially under the Zack delusion so it's ambiguous. You could argue either point and there's enough context to defend each one.
Not really because line for line the story is clearly about Cloud. There isnt any overlap with the role Zack had as a hero in CC. The are representing different characters. We are just seeing a follow up of the story after the hero dies from the POV of the prisoner.
That's the mistake people are having when they see this version of loveless. They see the prisoner becoming a hero(just like cloud in og ff7) and think it is about cc's chapters of loveless, which tell a complete different story of the three friends.
Even the nature of these stories are different.
In cc it was a tragic story about the three friends. In Remake it is a love story between the prisoner and rosa.
When i noticed that the hero in this version of loveless was actually the prisoner was when i went WAIT
Yeah people see Zack being the hero in cc, but the point is how he gets cooked, then we follow the story of Cloud(prisoner)'s pov
And then the story in rebirth's loveless is just FF7 in general, a hero's journey.
But it gets interesting closer to the end because it infers some future developments like Aerith summoning a phoenix and the whole final dialogue.
>But it gets interesting closer to the end because it infers some future developments like Aerith summoning a phoenix and the whole final dialogue.
A phoenix huh
This phoenix in the mural is also simbolizing aerith in some say because its trail is leaving flowers, plants and life everywhere.
Not even Phoenix in FF16 can revive someone.
I"m not saying it will be a fricking phoenix that will revive her lol
You need to see these things in a more subjective way. No one knows yet how aerith would return, the final dialogue is the most we have because this loveless shit is teasing a frickton of future events.
Or nothing, since the whole theme of defying fate also resulted in nothing. Or multiverses.
wow anon what a surprise that the second part of a trilogy ends in the darkest way possible and it almost means that all hope is gone. I never saw that happening before.
It's not dark. They defied fate by creating multiverses. The main timeline is still following the original script. If Aerith dying is dark then what about Zack's death? What about Nibelheim?
Because zack dying wasn ever cloud's responsbility or something we were ever striving to change. The guy starts the story dead. No one goes into ff7 saying "i want to save zack"
The main plot point of AC, Cloud is living in guilt for Zack and Aerith's deaths until in the end they told him not to continue living like that and let them go.
Bad ending confirmed by the devs.
Who would imagine that aerith wouldnt be happy by dying. How just seeing her ex boyfriends wouldnt make that super worth it huh
Um, the only timeline where Zack is alive is also where Tifa, Barret, Red and everyone else died. Also in that same timeline Aerith has never met Cloud.
Every Aerith already met Cloud if we consider she starts the story with the white materia intact.
>Every Aerith already met Cloud if we consider she starts the story with the white materia intact.
She will always remember the chocobo regardless of the timeline.
Not the one in the timeline where Zack is alive. Cloud had been dragged by Zack all this time.
So? in which way does it affect Aerith's memories, her memories are connected to her materia, not her present experiences.
She had never met Cloud in that timeline. She had the white materia her whole life and she still dated Zack? When is it that she's supposed to remember that Cloud is somewhere there and why didn't she wait for Cloud in that timeline before escaping Midgar?
>She had never met Cloud in that timeline.
Wrong. The cloud from that timeline just vanished because he went to the edge of creation. But the soldier who fought motorball in zack's timeline is cloud.
Who was Cloud that Zack had been dragging from Nibelheim? Why does Zack have a buster sword?
You can add this in the same pile of questions where the "how the frick zack arrived 2 months later than cloud in midgar?"
Nothing about zack's world makes sense timeline-wise.
It is like Zack and Cloud 2 were just copy pasted at the end of remake. The events had the same flow up until that point.
No there are differences between timelines. Elmyra and Marlene are not around in chihuahuaverse
This does not change the nature of events that lead happened until there. He is still walking around in a proto world that was followed up by events of remake.
It does, because Cloud was with Zack the whole entire time. And it's the same terrierverse as in Remake's ending Zack. Not even the old terrier but the same young terrierverse.
But he was dragging Cloud from Nibelheim and still have his buster sword.
I know it is a shock but it is not like Cloud's version of events were deleted. The different is that zack and cloud 2 were transported to a copy of remake's world but 2 months later.
So where is Cloud 1? We know for sure Zack at the end of Remake is from terrierverse
and he ends up in the same terrierverse.
I get the impression that Zack died and then manifested in the same place alive after Cloud broke fate. So however many days transpired between Zack's death and the end of Remake, that's how long Zack was inactive because he was dead. And maybe to him it feels like the fight with the Shinra guards just took place because he just phased into existence with those memories?
Not this, my take about these worlds is this one
And Cloud is just there besides him wearing his SOLDIER outfit. And there's a bunch of dead Shinra troops. And Tifa and Barret and Red are dead.
Well we don't really know whether the new universes have anything akin to a history. They may just appear at the moment of their creation fully populated. People will have memories they carry from previous universes but it's effectively just a brand new world that pops into place.
Hes simply the Cloud from Zack's world. Zack is functioning like an ieskai protag because he died in the main world, but his mind and body transfer into another world. Somehow Cloud went with him, but I actually have a different theory. I think there can only be one Cloud in each world, so when Zack and Cloud arrived, fugitive Cloud got merged with the Cloud that Zack is carrying. I makes sense when we compared Sephiroth trying to merge dead Aerith with living Aerith.
Cloud wasn't isekai'd. Also in beagleverse Zack is dead in a grave somewhere. His body had been rotting for 2 months by then.
So where's Cloud 1? Why did Cloud 1 lose causing the death of everyone?
Apply the common logic of isekais.
>Protag gets hit by truck
>Protag dies in origin world, and that world goes on without them
>Protag awakens in a different world (aka the direct translation of "isekai"). Sometimes the protags have their own body, sometimes they are reincarnated.
So now apply this to Zack. He actually did die in beagleverse, just like the isekai characters that got hit by the trucks. But Zack lives on in another world as a result. You could say a second duplicate body was created for Zack, but the important detail for isekais is that heroes retain their memories.
Cloud is harder to explain because he didn't die. Mushoku Tensei is the series that orginally coined the "hero gets struck by truck" trope and its LN/WN is considered the grandfather of current Isekais. When the main character of MT got hit and killed, the character that he died protecting actually got isekai'd too, even though she didn't die. This is a very similar case with Cloud because Zack died protecting him. Its possible thats the same idea here
But you're already wrong in the first part. We clearly see that Zack in Remake's ending is from terrierverse and in Rebirth he's still in terrierverse. And they're both the young terrierverse.
Terrier didn't exist until after Fate was stopped. We see Remake's Zack make his last stand right before the Arbiter is fought, meaning he had to be beagle at first. Once the Arbiter is defeated we see the aftermath.
What I'm suggesting happened.
>Beagle Zack is the one who made the last stand. Right before he gots shot in the head a branch is made.
>Beagle Zack did indeed die in the ending of CCR
>Beagle continues throughout the events of Remake and Zack is dead.
>Beagle Zack's consciousness is shifted over to the newly created terrierverse, and to him hes unware of his branching death in beagle.
>Terrier is the old version of beagle that the party left behind when they went to challenge fate. Somehow when Zack shifted, he ended up months in the future to synch up with when terrier wasfirst created.
Wouldn't it make more sense to say instead of Zack shifting, its old beagle that shifted to become terrier?
See
. Zack was 100% in terrierverse.
Thats only after the AoF was defeated. No alt universes existed prior.
In CCR Zack wasn't shot in the head. His fight went on for hours.
People really believed they were talking about Zack there? For me it was kinda obvious how it was Cloud.
These timelines dont work like back to the future.
That's something you'll have to complain to nojima, because even as a kid aerith was painting on her walls her adventures she would have with the party. And starts ff7 knowing everythign about cloud in the remake timelines. CC being the incoherent part of the story again wouldnt be something new in this scenario.
I love how even in Cloud's design he has the bolts in his gear that teases how he is a prisoner.
Nothing about this loveless focuses on the prisoner having an identity crisis, just again and again about how he is a puppet and is being controlled by varvados/the evil side.
Anything involving Cloud is inherently ambiguous though because of the delusion.
Right but here's the thing: the next game will definitely have them reunite in some way during the course of the game. She's not going to be 100% unplayable for the duration. The issue is what happens at the actual end. They can reunite but there's no promises that it's going to be permanent. Zack's "universes split but who's to say they can't come back together again?" is sort of the same deal. It's telegraphing a future reunion but if that happens like...mid-game then it's fulfilled it's narrative obligation with no promise of what comes afterwards.
The reunion that Zack talks about is refering to everyone at this point, he wants to reunite with Cloud and Aerith, it is also why Aerith guided him to Cloud with the yellow flowers.
And i would agree with you, but then we have things like this
where the devs talk how defying your fate/promise is the main objective of aerith. So i think we can assume they do not want to give aerith the bad ending this time.
>So i think we can assume they do not want to give aerith the bad ending this time.
So she gets Zack and Cloud?
Knowing how these devs work you'll get the most ambiguous ending possible and not a single side will win.
So long as the ending has Yuffie getting together with an "Anonymous" male I'll be happy.
I guess it depends on what counts as a "bad end." If her simply being physically alive and having the agency associated with that, shunting her off to a parallel dimension (which, frankly, her scenes in Advent Children already look like, by the way) fulfills that requirement of a "happy" ending. I'm not saying they'll definitely do this, just that context clues are pointing to it as an option. I think people expecting a big happy Disney ending are going to be very disappointed because the game keeps balancing new hopefulness with "but..." Aerith's song is optimistic but wistful. There's an inherent melancholy baked into everything. My instinct is that it means Aerith herself will get a happy ending according to her own standards but it might be pretty sad for everyone else.
I think it can be something really esoteric like we sending aerith's memories back just like she always does but this time we created a world without sephiroth.
Yup, something like that. Someone in another thread mentioned maybe Sephiroth gets booted out of the lifecycle and loses his connection to the planet like the Gi and ends up getting sent to oblivion.
>It's telegraphing a future reunion but if that happens like...mid-game then it's fulfilled it's narrative obligation with no promise of what comes afterwards.
I think your point is interesting the issue is, wouldnt it be just very weird from a storytelling perspective? Alfred and Rosa say goodbye knowing they'll meet each other and be reunited again but then wait it was just for 5 min because they will say goodbye again and never see each other. lol
Personally I think a super happy lovey dovey ending is what would be weird from a storytelling perspective. Like I said, the optimism is too layered with melancholy for that to make any sense. If it's a totally happy conclusion that it would mean the tone was just for the sake of maintaining tension but that's not typically how tension usually works. Beauty and the Beast has tension but it's presented as a roadblock to be overcome and the characters earn their happy ending. No Promises to Keep and the general "no promises" motif throughout the game have a tone that doesn't come across as something to be overcome but rather predictive of the outcome, specifically because it IS optimistic. The emotional nuance there feels like it's the smoking gun. It's hard to put into words but it's like how Batman movies work. You know Batman is going to win because it's a Batman movie but you don't expect all sunshine and rainbows, either. Because the tone of the entire product doesn't convey that. If they're going that route then then third game has a SHIT ton of work to do in order to naturally move the tone so that the ending doesn't feel like it came out of left field.
This is actually why Mass Effect 3's ending was so controversial. The trilogy was straight space opera but the ending decided to go in a completely crazy direction that didn't jive in tone with anything else. The games established an atmosphere where a proper saving the day ending should have been on the table but instead you got a bunch of weird and slightly unsettling finales. The emotional momentum we've seen in Remake/Rebirth so far just feels like a bittersweet ending is on it's way.
That's where i disagree, if it was the og story i would totally agree with you. But from what i see this version of events and story i think the devs and the characters deserve a happy ending. Of course i dont think it will be the disney ending. It will probably be something weirder and stranger than everyone thinks.
It's pretty neat that there are so many directions they can go.
>It's pretty neat that there are so many directions they can go.
The truth is that people are seeing these timelines in the wrong way, that's why they keep thinking about 2 buster swords and other shit.
But nojima itself talked how he is basing the worlds in the theory of collective subconscious.
In this case each individual persception can create your own world, which makes sense if you consider how zack's world doesnt fit with the overall flow of events.
The jannies were a barrier preventing these individual wills from creating new worlds, but when they died everything was derailed and a frickton of worlds were born.
It fits with the idea that cloud truly created a world where aerith lives because in his individual perception she is alive. And the fact she becomes more real the closer she is or is noticed by him at the ending cutscene proves how it's true. When she was away from him her dress didnt even move and she couldnt notice the tiny bronco starting, but when she was close to him she was reacting to everything, the wind,noise...
Who created the world where Zack lives? Why can he see Midgar surrounded by whispers in Remake?
Zack is clearly in a world that has input from Aerith. Also biggs too if i had to bet. That's why we only see some characters that both of them know.
Why did Aerith create a world where Zack is alive and she is unconscious and the Avalanche party dead?
It is more like she did a counter measure in the portal sephiroth created; she casted holy in that portal and that's when og aerith probably left and saved him as a counter measure to help cloud. What happened to our party in that other world was probably sephiroth's plan all along.
Why does Cloud need saving in a world Aerith created to save Zack?
That's your mistake, everything was created to help Cloud. Do you think Aerith would frick up the flow of the world just to save her ex boyfriend who was cooked?
Cloud is saved in beaglverse ie. reality. Again, who created the world where Zack is saved?
Yeah we saw how saved he was at the end of rebirth. Nice observation. If she never created those parallel worlds the game would've ended in rebirth. moron.
Zack saved him from Shinra manor and dragged him back to Midgar remember?
Yeah you are too braindead to understand this.
You are talking with an anon that probably has multiverse as his references being the mcu, or back to the future at most, considering he is old enough.
You're saying Aerith created a world where Zack survives just to save Cloud. But in that world Cloud and Aerith are both unconscious and the Avalanche party dead. Why? In beagleverse Cloud is not unconscious.
When this anon realizes that all his theories to analyse this shit are all meaningless because the way it works is far more esoteric than he will ever think.
Yeah Zack's world is a mess and doesnt work at all in any coherent way, but after nojima explained how he's building this multiverse everything clicked. Similar to what says here:
I don't know if she's responsible. When Sephiroth sees the white materia he says "this doesn't belong here" so getting rid of the white materia was likely his doing. OG Aerith likely hid herself away to act as a failsafe in order to eventually get the white materia back where it belongs. But in the process it caused her counterpart to lose her memory of the OG FFVII she had in Remake.
He probably wanted to see her casting the materia in his portal. But i dont think he expected to see her just fricking teleporting to other worlds to get other one and give it to cloud. So i wonder what was sephiroth's intent there.
>It fits with the idea that cloud truly created a world where aerith lives because in his individual perception she is alive. And the fact she becomes more real the closer she is or is noticed by him at the ending cutscene proves how it's true. When she was away from him her dress didnt even move and she couldnt notice the tiny bronco starting, but when she was close to him she was reacting to everything, the wind,noise...
Yes. In this scenario aerith is both alive, dead and in the lifestream at the same time. Because reality isnt even a material thing in this system. But just formed by a global subconscious. Aerith would be outside of this global subconscious at the moment, ant kept alive only by cloud.
The faster people stop trying to analyse this with mcu lens, the faster they'll get it.
Their bodies are rotting in beagleverse too.
all we really need from AC are Cloud, Tifa and Yuffie's outfits and a Kadaj fight for the combat simulator
And Fusion Sword. And Fenrir.
Didn't they explicitly say that they weren't doing anything to mess with the Advent Children canon?
No, they said it would "link up with" not that it would "end up in"
If you played rebirth you can clearly understand what they meant.
Why was zack in a dillema whether to help heal cloud so that he can save aerith or go help the random guy he met 1 hour ago
cloud stole his girl why would he help him
Because Zack is a bro. He put Aerith's feelings before his own.
Because he's a hero.
I kinda feel really weird about the ending of Rebirth. Like there should have been more. Is there a reason they just DON'T show Aerith's water burial? And Cloud just doesn't calm Tifa or even try? What's up with that? Everything else felt like they were part of the plan and I could feel it and they just kinda purposefully omit that stuff?
>Is there a reason they just DON'T show Aerith's water burial?
It would be very confusing for Cloud to bury her but still believe she's alive.
I'm guessing the lack of clarity on that event is plot critical.
when cloud awakens from his 'coma' in sleeping forest he seems pretty calm when he talks to others. Like he knows what's going to happen and what he must do. He imediately decides to follow sephiroths whispers as well - again like he knows. Sephiroth definitely gave him a choice to save aerith imo
Yeah, everything Cloud's done so far Sephiroth wanted him to do. Fighting the whispers in Remake, saving Aerith in Rebirth, etc. That's why the Sephiroth fights aren't curbstomps. He's not really trying to kill them since the whole time he's wanted Cloud to create a frickton of alternate universes for him to hop around and find his ultimate victory.
My thinking is that he did but suppressed that reality evident by the headache he got just before seeing Aerith by the water. They all were by the water and this fact was highlighted in Ultimania.
>What do you want in your happy ending?
A 3-hours long sex scene between Cloud and Tifa atop the counter on the 7th Heaven bar as the surviving cast cheers them on.
>happy ending
NPTK?
Cute and canon!
Where does that image mention a happy ending, OP?
Theres more to the interview thats not included in the OP image
https://www.frontlinejp.net/2024/04/18/final-fantasy-vii-rebirth-post-release-interview-part-6-devs-discuss-the-climax-and-the-final-game/
>Kitase says that considering his age, the third game will likely be the last time he can be directly involved with a Final Fantasy game. While there is a possibility that the world of FF7 may continue on after it, it will be the conclusion to the series for now, and he says that he would like Cloud and the other characters to have a happy ending. There is no telling how the game will actually end until it is finished, but he personally does not want it to leave behind any unfinished business.
>While there is a possibility that the world of FF7 may continue on after it
Frick yeah FFX remake
Kinda not sure what you guys are seeing in Sephiroth turning good after he dismisses Aerith's role or the fact he's literally skewering in the boss fight. I'm just not seeing this. Why would he want to overturn fate for anybody but himself and his mom? He doesn't owe Cloud shit.
I'm happy
you are schizo
but also only one seeing the truth, will be a cool plot point
How many Cetra babies would Cloud and Aerith have?
7
When will Lazy do Rebirth girls?
No Cissnei, Elena, Commander, Kyrie, Fran, Yorda, Priscilla, young Aerith
>Priscilla
You sicko.
>young Aerith
You monster!
Not enough of her!
That's me she's riding btw
>no pubes
Good job OP
If Aerith lives then who was lifestream Aerith?
THERE'S A NEW MERC
The Highwind needs an onahole
all that b***h would be good for
the ending will be the only thing actually improved over the original. original ending was pretty underwhelming
>Tifa with small breasts
if you take compilation as a whole ff7 had a shit ending. AC everyone has sephiroths space aids and cloud is on the verge of suicide.
But only ff7 game? Well then it can be seen as an alright ending, everyone dies but planet lives on
The only people i see that are super fixated in preserving ac's version of the ending are tifa gays to be honest. Because they see the depressed mailman cloud and his dysfunctional family as the best ending possible for him.
Are they going to remake AC and DoC and fill in Aerith and Zack here and there?
I bet money in a complete original ending in this trilogy. Kitase himself said how he wants it being his goodbye and leaving no unfinished feelings.
So that means an AC Remake where Cloud is not depressed due to Aerith and Zack not dying and happily married to Tifa. I assume Geostigma and the Advent Children; Kadaj and the gang are still there?
No, it means no AC at all. It will end in this this trilogy.
And "happily married to Tifa"
Do you unironically think they will do this after rebirth? Are you serious.
Um, Zack is alive.
Um, sweaty? They already said it will lead into AC.
nice try but you wont bait a single person with this one nowadays
I'm sure all 5 people who still give a shit about this trashfire by then will be thrilled.
Zissnei!
I like AC because i think it deals with themes like depression and grief very well. But i'm not really attached to it and see it with the take of
>"the story always needs to end there"
I will gladly take a new ending without any issue, in general i would prefer because it ending in the same place where cloud will become depressed again is stupid.
Itll happen. Japan boomers are in a happy trend
I hate XVI kun
Tifa and Cloud never have kids because in order to sell overpriced Tifa figurines and body-pillows to ronery otakus, they need to keep up the fantasy that she would never, ever have sex with anybody but her preciousTanaka / Dabido-san
Or Cloud is sterile from all his mako overdoses.
I love mods
Everyone joins the lifestream
>Or will the flames of vengeance consume you
I'm trying to figure out how this connects. Sephiroth pointed out that his plan involved the reunion of dimensions through that shit, which this is obviously alluding to. But...like...why? What the frick does that Sith shit have to do with Sephiroth merging the multiverse? Why does it matter if Cloud is vengeful or not?
represents sephiroths will. Sephiorth needs cloud
So it's just generic "give in to your hate" mumbo jumbo? I don't know if I buy that. It feels like Cloud's emotional state might have some effect on the nature of the different universes.
>watch playthrough
>she doesn't figure out loveless play buttons correspond to positions on the ps5.
some people are truly hopeless
muh
The only thing that would make me happy is if square enix went bankrupt OR if they scrapped the current compilation trilogy and made an actual remake
youre a moron if you think you will be happy
so you will be miserable
Square Enix will end up bankrupt eventually. They are influenced by western propagandists so they are bound to make more expensive failures like Flopspoken. And they are running low on Must Have Remakes. I guess they could remake the first Kingdom Hearts but.....nah I'm feeling that people want that remade Kingdom Hearts lost its luster years ago.
At the end of the day this entire FF7 Remake is divisive which is a BAD thing for a remake to be you either like the shitty Spider Verse multiverse or you don't. And the worst part of it is that Square Enix officially wasted the novelty itself of remaking FF7.
Even if years later Square Enix remade FF7 yet again and this time they stayed loyal it's too late. The even older grey haired fans are not going to give a damn anymore and new gamers will never give a damn about such old characters in the first place. FF7 characters aren't evergreen like Batman and Spiderman and Sonic. Cloud, Tifa, Barret, Cid, etc don't have that kind of long term allure. So Square Enix is doomed in due time.
The real question is when Square Enix fricks up enough who is going to buy them? Sony? If Sony gets them Square Enix is Double Dead.
Kitsae said Advent children will still be canon so all the fanfic shit in here is cringe
he meant Advent Children: Remake
>People are unironically shilling Advent Children
Holy shit what happened to this place? I remember when we collectively hated how that film turned Cloud into a whining emo loser. Someone post that official artwork comparison.
The people shilling Advent children are quite literally the same people making these games, anon.
Doesn't change the fact that the anon I replied to is hoping for the remake to lead to fricking Advent children of all things. Advent "90% of that game is meaningless set pieces to justify the final act spectacle boss fight against Sephiroth" Children
That's not what was said at all you absolute fricking moron
https://www.eurogamer.net/final-fantasy-7-remake-trilogy-will-link-with-advent-children-confirms-producer
He probably meant like Zack and Aerith accepting their deaths after the world/lifestream is made whole again. You guys are reading way too much into this lol
aerith crying her eyes out after singing about wanting to change fate, are they just cruel
Those weren't tears of sadness though. I think people are misinterpreting that song. The lyrics are about fate because duh, right? But she doesn't know her fate at that point. She's still stuck with the clear white materia and so isn't expecting to get murdered. I think she was crying because she's starting to finally internalize that she's actually loved. The song is a thematic followup from her Cosmo Canyon speech. Where, by the way, she almost faltered because she was uncomfortable and needed Cloud to intervene. In the song she's releasing all that trauma of her past. What makes it tragic is that she DOESN'T know what's coming but WE do. And the lyrics are symbolic of that. The song she thinks she singing isn't the song we as the audience are hearing.
Jesus, Aerith in this game is fricking gut wrenching to watch. Her conversation with Cloud on the water tower where she bitterly talks about how she'll never know what it's like to have childhood friends. She's been through so much horrific bullshit that it's not until Cosmo Canyon and Loveless where she's able to internalize that people actually care about her. She may be intellectually aware but it takes time for that to really absorb. Tifa is outwardly a doormat sometimes but doesn't think that the world hates her. Aerith is outwardly confident but assumes the entire goddamn planet thinks she's a piece of shit and deserves frick all let alone happiness. That's why she's still holding a flame for Zack after he effectively ghosted her and why she clings to Cloud. There aren't too many people in her life that make her feel good so she holds on to them for dear life.
disagree
those were tears of sadness
Nah, she wouldn't have written the song and sang it publicly if it were her being sad. She's releasing the sadness and the acceptance she gets is what triggers the tears. A screenshot won't do but you can see it in the animation. Those are 100% tears of release.
rewatched and it still seems like sadness.
She may not know her fate 100%, but she still feels it - check out red xiii date, he can still sense something bad will happen to aerith even tho whispers wiped out his memories.
She understands this is probably the last time she will get to enjoy a moment like that, so she went all out on her performance, but reality hit her afterwards. Full lyrics of NPTK expand on that
I think Marlene retain future memories because only beagle got the wiped. Red and Aerith lost their memories in beagle, but terrier Marlene remembered them perfectly. And terrier Aerrith still has her white materia. It seems these alternate worlds are immune from whisper frickery.
Stupid thing to ask considering I beat Rebirth before even starting Crisis Core but is it worth a play for the Zack stuff? I guess not knowing who the hell Cissnei was is one reason but from what I've been told the combat system in CC is frustrating.
Why are comments being deleted
The mods are shit.
Is getting all of jonnys treasure shit hard to do? And also do you really need to do every single mini game for the platinum trophy? There's like 6 different coliseums
>inb4 aerith is the one to restore clouds mind
imagine the seething levels
not happening, but you will get a lifestream sequence with her as well
She will take a big part in it too, which is enough to make some people mad.
and an under the highwind scene with aerith
>already took Tifa and Cloud's childhood spot as she watches from the window
>takes her role in part 3
Poor girl
tifa got a lot more stuff than in og in part 1 and 2, only fair aerith gets some in part3. Although I think her plot will be moreso tied to the white materia that cloud needs to restore
damn the memes became real
this is tifas punishment for making cloud a social pariah
I think they are setting up a parallel narrative with aerith envying cloud and tifa being childhood friends, having shared memories, etc, only to find out in part 3 that cloud was also alone, that the other kids thought he was weird too. she will probably find that out during his lifestream event.
The truth is that Aerith is the one who starts speedrunning trying to help cloud, even in other worlds she uses characters like marlene to tell zack to help cloud. And she is the one who even brings the topic of "real you". People see Tifa as the important character who fixes him because Aerith dies but Aerith is the one who kickstarts the whole topic of fixing cloud. And she will do far more in this trilogy.
We'll see a scenario where Tifa will help him in the material world and Aerith will help him from the lifestream side.
Marlene was telling Zack to wake up Cloud to stop Sephiroth from killing Aerith.
In the last fight Aerith literaly uses the fricking yellow flowers to guide Zack to Cloud and help him.
So not Marlene then. Only in the ending sequence where Zack fought Sephiroth solo and with Cloud and Cloud with the whole party and Cloud with Aerith and so on.
Marlene says that because she knows Aerith dies and of course doesnt want that to happen. But we truly see the purpose Zack was brought back when Aerith throws him to Cloud's side.
Sephiroth was the one to throw Zack into the edge of creation.
Did you forget the whole part where aerith saves him and makes him follow flowers? Do you have memory issues or are you just disingenuous?
Why did Sephiroth throw him into the edge of creation?
He was just trying to get rid of him, if you didn't understand yet Sephiroth sees him as garbage
He would probably die in that same moment
But Zack is the same guy who just created 6 timelines right?
Is he? No one knows for sure how it works 100%
Are we working with headcanons yet?
>He was just trying to get rid of him, if you didn't understand yet Sephiroth sees him as garbage
>He would probably die in that same moment
It kinda surprised me how sephiroth doesn't give a single frick about him lmao
He cut Zack in the same way he attacked tifa in nibel, like he's killing a random guy
He is just like me
He just sent him to a black void
Aerith was the one who purified everything and sent him to Cloud
the biggest thing for me is
>when cloud is at the peak of his schizo episode in the labyrinth he snaps back at the sight of aerith in danger while casually pushing tifa off of him
>nearly kills tifa earlier in the game during an objectively less schizo episode
seriously im almost convinced rebirth was the cloud x aerith game and part 3 will be the cloud x tifa game and i say this as an aerithgay, they did tifa so dirty
that's what door mats do, they take the dirt
I guess you forgot the part where Cloud chased Aerith to the edge to get the black materia just before that. It's as if he only snapped after fulfilling his objective to bring the black materia to Sephiroth
So you are saying that he only broken free because sephiroth wanted? Holy copium
After Cloud gave him the black materia which he chased Aerith for
KEK
But I imagine you need to do this because the story is fricking you up hard if you took the Tifa route
What was the point of showing cloud remembering first meeting aerith then
it makes no sense
It was Cloud's strong desire to protect aerith who made him break free
But admitting that his need to protect aerith os stronger than the one to not cut tifa in half is hard for them
>But admitting that his need to protect aerith os stronger than the one to not cut tifa in half is hard for them
It bothers me a lot how that Gonzaga shit has no consequences
Not even tifa talks about it
The whole party was below so all they saw was Tifa falling in the water
As for her she had a near death experience that showed her a bunch of pro Cloud memories so she was swooning for him when she came to
the mental gymnastics tifakeks have to do is more unbelievable than the insane theories people have on the ending. dont bother
>NOOOOO CLOUD CANT SHOW A HINT OF AFFECTION FOR AERITH OR I WILL GO INSANEEEEEE
they really are fricking weird
the problem with (some) tifa fans is that for the longest time they convinced themselves cloud and aerith are never romantic with each other or are meant to be viewed like that.
So you have to do shut your eyes more and more to keep that belief going,
It would be an interesting psychological dive into examining this debate because the two romance stories are very different yet many people are so convinced only their view on the story is the absolute truth.
I kinda see aerith cloud as more of a fairytale romance, tifa cloud is more of a real world romance. Maybe that's the core (besides obviously - girl preference)
It's not romantic in Rebirth, for both parties. Hell majority of the game Cloud is aware of Aerith's feelings for Zack and Aerith is aware of Tifa's feelings for Cloud.
Not sure if you are trolling
? Is it trolling? Aerith definitely fell for Cloud at some point but she KNOWS Tifa likes him. But I guess it should have been obvious from the fricking game starting with a date with her.
tifa knows aerith likes cloud in remake already
zack gets flat out told aerith loves cloud
Wrong pic
a bit different in japanese. I'ts clear marlene says aerith and cloud share a romantic bond
In last scene she just says there are many kinds of likes, I wonder which one I feel for you?
Same as in english then
Aerith : "Watashi wa kuraudo ga suki"
(I like you, Cloud.)
Aerith : "Demo sukini mo iroiro aru yo ne"
(But there are seveal type of liking)
Aerith : "Kono suki wa dono sukina ndarou"
(Wonder which kind of liking would mine be.....)
Cloud : "Aerith henda zo."
(Aerith you are being weird.)
Cloud : "Kyō wa zutto henda"
(Today you've been weird all day)
hmm I wonder what kind she meant. And suki is a bit different than like. Usually in japanese saying someone suki is like saying I love you. very rarely do people confess with "I love you"
Why do people always leave out that when she can't get out the worlds, she goes up and hugs Cloud, and he hugs her back with no hesitation.
Should've been クラウド好き。あー、エアリスも好き。
>クラウド好き
She already said this.
>あー、エアリスも好き
If Cloud actually said this, Tifakeks would commit mass suicide. No way SE is letting that.
Okay so let's just ignore Aerith saying all the other stuff after that, what do you really expect out of part 3 if you think SE cannot commit to Cloud giving a reply to appease Tifagays? And why bring back Zack?
The Highwind scene would again ties to affection points, and the game would feature multiple endings. S ending would be Cloud reuniting with Aerith. In another she dies so Cloud can be with Tifa and continuing to AC.
well it was out of nowhere and very straightforward. Cloud could sense something was wrong - and he was right since aerith knew she was destined to be die(?)/be separated from him
Apparently cloud mutters I love you during that death scene, that would be some angst
This pic is proof positive they're setting Cloud up with Tifa. That is 100% breakup language.
Not to mention Aerith's "I'm glad for you" dialogue after Tifa and Cloud almost kiss while the others are trying to ship them. Aerith has resignation about her in this game so many times.
>When the guy who's pants you've been changing for a year steals your identity and steals your girl
>Meanwhile, the little girl who told you this keeps treating you like shit at the dinner table
I would have strangled Marlene to death.
>He gave his blessing!
There are some Aerith fans that do this too. Thinking this game was pushing against Cloud and Tifa means you just have to pretend the Goganga scene in Cissnei's house didn't happen.
The most obvious conclusion to all of this is that the devs actually like the love triangle. They think Tifa sells in the west, they think Aerith sells in Japan, they have a star crossed couple in Cloud and Aerith, they have a real world couple in Tifa and Cloud. It makes FFVII different from many of the other FF's and one of the aspects that makes it distinct. And it's worked all this time.
>There are some Aerith fans that do this too
no doubt. But it's just less noticeable since the tifa fanbase is larger in the west and they tended to use that to spread a lot of bs. But both girls are obvious romantic interests for cloud.
It's actually not that crazy it would work that way. One unfortunate part about being Tifa is that Cloud kinda expects her to be there. You know how they say you hurt the ones you love? People will snap at their parents or spouses or kids. They'll be less attentive to the people closest to them in favor of someone else. Because comfort means you don't realize you even ARE hurting them. And you certainly don't expect them to leave you. It's not fair to them but it's human nature, right? Tifa will always be there for Cloud so Cloud doesn't necessarily pay her much attention because it's just a given. It's pretty sad because you know it hurts her.
When you put it THAT way that is sad, anon. It's like a relationship where you're interested with someone else while you're still with your partner but you don't want to leave your relationship because you can just fall back to your partner if you get rejected.
Even if they tried to make it as faithful as possible to the original to bring in the fans with a brain that bailed, remake and rebirth leave such a bad taste in the mouth that I'm not sure even a 1:1ish would do the trick, because I'm sure that'd still be deemed too boring and they'd find a fresh and exciting new way to frick it up
I don't care what this "happy ending" is, because I'm not going to pay for one decent experience when there's already 2 shit experiences clinging to it
Sephiroth turns good, and Genesis/Minerva is the final boss
What the FRICK is that white terror enemy? Who the frick designed this?
Gay. The original had the perfect ending.
>the perfect ending.
That ambiguous cut to black that was due to rushed development? If you say so.
I've played literally everything Compilation related and I've come to the conclusion that it has reached the level of soullessness of the MCU or Star Wars
It's become so anti-imagination, so shallow that even in its sincerity, it's genuine love for FF7's' characters and setting, I can't find anything substantive in the effort
>star wars referencing star wars
I noticed this as soon as I played Remake. It spent a lot of time referencing scenes or redoing them without any understanding of what madee them great to begin with. They clearly care about the characters but there isn't much substance there.
We all know they survive because of other material, so expanding on that and showing more of the party after the final battle is fine. I just hope they don't do something incredibly stupid. Yeah, I know it's a tough ask after the last two parts.
Less homosexualry would be nice.
Quick reminder that "seven seconds until the end" is about the number of "worlds" that exist. Sephiroth is just killing them one by one until he can kill the last one. The stars on the Stamp hats go up to 6 so far.
that makes no sense, why would he call worlds seconds
square is moronic and has been calling planets "stars" for like 5 games now
Cloud will name his daughter (the youngest) Aerith, his second son Zack, and his first son Sephiroth after the coolest people he knows.
What compelled them to make Cait Sith's thighs so thick in Rebirth
He skipped leg day. Its all fat, baby.
According to the recently translated interview, Kitase wants to make the open world accessible right from the start of part 3. He said once the highwind becomes available there will be no travel restrictions.
I think they are really going to get certain og beats out of the way in the first chapter, like mind broken Cloud.
>“After her big performance, an excited Aerith heads for the gondola. She admits that when she first met Cloud, she saw him as Zack. She tells Cloud directly her feelings for him, and under the fireworks she leans onto Cloud’s shoulder.”
SHE JUST CONFESSED HER FEELINGS AS A FRIEND YOU DONT GET IT PLEASE STOP
I'm going to laugh at you people when it turns out the third game has a choose your own adventure where all three girls get equally romantic options under the Highwind and the actual ending says frick all about who Cloud ends up with.
Who the frick said that i'm autistic over a canon girl, moron. I"m just not a braindead frick who pretends aerith isnt a love interest. So it is funny to mock them.
I praise the warriors who are still denying it after the ultimania because they can almost create a new reality based on their delusions
When you start fighting official books saying they're a "red herring", or that they're lying it is fricking over.
Why would an official book spoil a game that isn't even out yet? Not even saying it's lying. Just that they're not going to tell you the fricking ending.
>"Here is the thing what the ultimania truly means is the inverse of that because offficial guides like that enjoy lying and spreading misinformation so they would lie in this super emotional event between cloud and aerith, what she means is the inverse of that and she wants to see zack, she is confessing her feelings as a friend to cloud and thats wh-"
This is funny but it is unironically what's happening since this shit dropped.
That's not been happening. What's been happening is morons are pointing at the Ultimania as if it's guaranteeing an ending when anybody with a brain would know that they're not going to telegraph shit like that.
Greentext the post that says the ultimania is confirming a guaranteed ending.
How did you get this image of me? WTF?! Stop harassing me just because I have media literacy and cracked the code that she friendzoned him
It's a common occurence
they really try to paint cloud aerith as alabama siblings. It's really hard to admit the romance, I don't really understand why? Is it an ego thing?
Actual good meme i have to admit. This can be used in every ff7 thread or discussion.
what's the big deal if cloud and aerith like each other? lol
The original FF7 had a happy ending. Who cares?
>Endless shipgayging to cover up lack of sales
I don't think people should treat Aerith's memories and prescience like an on/off switch.
It's possible that she has never known the things beyond a certain limit (like after her death, or after the sleeping forest), and that memory itself is hazy and can't be recalled on the go, or that she knows she remembers something but are missing contexts and details.
Even her admitting that the whispers taking away her memory, this isn't necessarily the full picture. It might be that the whispers are constantly chipping away her memories, so she didn't lose everything at once. So it is possible that she still knows she is going to inevitably fall for Cloud.
He drawings in Shinra have predicted most of the events of Remake and Rebirth. And the remaining pieces are surely related to R3, and tie together theories such as he phoenix representing she'll rise again from the ashes.
Aerith has to die for lifestream Aerith to exist to give to Cloud the white materia.
Doesnt look like it because since remake's ending there is already a type of lifestream aerith operating and doing random things.
She died in Rebirth. That's just enforcing the theory more.
She did in OG. Then OG Aerith sent memories back to Remake Aerith, and helped her defeat the whispers so OG could gain godlike powers.
Uh huh. So why is there a Remake alternate timeline?
Because of the whispers. Think of it as a loop, where while the loops are different, theres only so much wiggle room they can change without the whispers stepping in.
If it's a loop then Aerith has to die for lifestream Aerith to exist to come back to the past.
No because theres an origin loop where she died
So Remake is not a loop. Aerith died, returned to the lifestream, went back to the past except it's an alternate past. Kinda like future Trunks.
>Kinda like future Trunks.
Or Terminator or Endgame
It's not time travel or parallel worlds. Read the fricking Ultimania interviews or at least just go listen to the fricking lecture in Cosmo Canyon where they explain it. Jesus christ.
>read the ultimania
Once again, if the players can't extrapolate all of this from playing the game, you have FAILED as a writer. I swear to frick, the original game was convoluted enough as it is. I still remember the GameFAQs discussions and constant theories being throw around for years after the game came out. What in the actual FRICK was Square-Enix thinking making this shit even MORE convoluted? Most Hollywood writers can't even do time travel shit right.
Bro, from the way Tifa was acting, it felt like the Whale was dragging Tifa to an early grave. Directly into the lifestream or something. Shit was confusing as frick.
>Bro, from the way Tifa was acting, it felt like the Whale was dragging Tifa to an early grave. Directly into the lifestream or something. Shit was confusing as frick.
Nah, it was actually protecting her and making her remember her past. That's why sephiroth appeared suddenly, he doesnt want that to happen. That's why the white jannies were protecting the weapons too.
Okay, but Tifa never had any problems with her memories. That's always been Cloud. Nani the frick?
She remembered some really specific stuff from when she fell from a cliff as a kid. That part she didnt remember at all. You can rewatch the scene where she talks to cloud about it.
Then play the fricking game and listen to the goddamn dialogue in Cosmo Canyon you moron
Your mother sucks dwarf wiener
Rebirth's Ultimania hard confirmed there are real alternate worlds, so I don't know why you are clinging onto the "they are all dreams" theory, that even the Cosmo NPC debunks since she says worlds are indistinguishable from each other.
wrong again dumbfrick
https://www.frontlinejp.net/2024/04/17/final-fantasy-vii-rebirth-post-release-interview-part-2-devs-discuss-side-characters-dialogue-and-sequel/
Future Trunks is a decent comparison. She warned herself to help change the future, and defy her own fate.
I'm not sure she was looking to defy her own fate at that point. This is an assumption I'm making but it seems Sephiroth was the first to go back and Aerith followed in pursuit, triggering her past self to absorb her counterpart's memories. That why she's jarringly awoken from her trance at the beginning of the game and looks confused and afraid. From there she seems almost resigned to accepting fate, muttering under her breath every so often. And at the end she basically warns everyone that if they fight the whispers all bets are off and there's no guarantees. Because at that point she was willing to be bound to fate and make the sacrifice because she knew everything worked out in the end. By breaking fate now Sephiroth has a second chance and everything might go to shit. OG Aerith didn't seem to want to change anything. She just wanted to stop Sephiroth from fricking things up. Once the party beat the whispers though she had to change her strategy.
She knew about her fate for a long time since she drew her visions as a child. Part of these drawings may suggest she saw things beyond her predetermined fate and what would happen if she changed it too.
There's already an Aerith that's returned to the planet.
We don't know that it works that way. One theory I have is that the OG FFVII isn't beagleverse on the grounds that there was no Stamp back then. So beagleverse was created by Sephiroth and Aerith's Days of Future Past shenanigans and therefore their existence is effectively secured because the world they came from already happened even if beagle technically overwrites it.
My happy ending is that Sephiroth uses his power to destroy rhe universes of FFXV and XVI and wiped them from ever existing. The credits cutscene will say something like "The end is only a beginning for other worlds" hinting that Square will retcon those two shitty games from existing.
The next game will be titled Final Fantasy e.XV and will be as Nomura originally planned. Then e.XVI will be a turn based game that has nothing to do with YoshiP.
Did we get any confirmation as to what the white whispers were about?
We've reached a point where FFXIV mmo threads have more mentally stable people than VII threads.
do you guys think roche will be ok? i was kind of hoping cloud would ditch everyone and ride off with him to start a biker gang or something
Cloud gets to live in the other Aerith's timeline with Aerith
Is that what was missing in the original game? Cloud beats sephiroth and Aerith doesn't come back?
Aerith and Zack living are what it was missing. Also Avalanche surviving, and a thriving planet.
Why the frick is Sephiroth fricking with Rufus anyways
He wants a war because sephiroth is feeding on negativity.
The Ghostbusters II plan. Nice.
Unironically. He is getting stronger by collecting bad vibes. That's his whole modus operandi.
Rufus is directly responsible for breaking the shield over the North Crater in OG FFVII so maybe he's trying to deal with that ahead of time.
Explained in Ultimania. It's to take away his ability to change fate.
Rufus could see the whispers in Remake but can't in Rebirth because of Sephiroth of fricking with him. Only people who can see the whispers can break the walls of fate.
Cissnei is going to play a major role. She can also feel Zack is alive from another timeline, when no one else besides Cloud and Aerith can.
Pro tip: if half of your plot points have to explained in some gnostic text called "Ultimania" after the fact, you have failed in writing a compelling, well-written video game narrative.
The thing is, most of what the ultimania said was blatant in the story. Only the morons who denied basic stuff were surprised by it.
>Guys, what in the actual FRICK happened at the end of Super Mario Bros?
>hold on, let me check Toadimania
Bitch, David Lynch films and End of Evangelion were easier to understand.
But what type of thing did you even want to learn right now? if you want to know the biggest mystery of it of course they wont tell it now.
>Why was Tifa suddenly into Jonah during the middle part of the game? What was that all about? Why did Sephiroth attack this whale? What did he even do? What was the whale trying to do? Where were these stupid fricking whales in the OG? I hate to invoke Nostalgia Critic, but this felt like a Big Lipped Alligator moment for Rebirth. Not even exaggerating.
>Who was Cloud talking to after Aeris died? Was that just...PTSD Aeris? Was Cloud having a mental breakdown? I can't even figure out if Aeris is dead or not.
>Too many characters from Compilation that just made no fricking sense to me. Who in the actual FRICK was that old man that Rufus was talking to for the good later portion of the game? I get that it was really Sephiroth (Jenova?) the whole time, but who WAS the original character?
>Why did Safer Sephiroth appear? Is Jenova even a factor in this game anymore? Is The Thing still around or not? We keep fighting Jenova, I get that, but with Sephiroth literally being the god of time or something, the lines are getting blurry
I have a lot of theories over those final parts but the weapon stuff seems kinda obvious to me how it is aerith from the lifestream helping tifa with ther memories.
>Tendie didn't understand the ending
Makes sense.
Everyone eject, shills are here.
I genuinely fricking hate the design of the whispers still. I don't know why but they just don't invoke that sense of mystery. They just look so stupid. I don't know what the frick i want.
I don't think they look dumb exactly but they look too much like generic enemies. They should have gone with something that has more personality.
I want Jessie back...
I'm genuinely surprised by her absence in Rebirth.
>Biggs, "WHY AM I STILL ALIVE? I'M THE USELESS ONE."
>"You know what? Maybe life isn't so bad. I'll figure it ou-"
>*Gets fricking shot*
I don't understand what the frick was the point of doing that to him
To show some timelines are dead ends. Biggs is still alive in at least 5 other timelines like Zack
Oh. I somehow fricking missed that. I guess that makes sense.
It's Cloud that looks worse than any of the others out of these changes. Since he remembers Zack, and remembers that Zack refers to Aerith as his woman, and expresses that Zack was his friend and feels hurt that he didn't remember him, for Cloud to do either the Gold Saucer date or the chapter 14 date doesn't make Cloud look good. In the original he never remembers Zack at this point in time and so there's no issue.
Aerith and Tifa also talk about their love lives
The facial expressions are fricking gold in this game.
The real issue with Zack is nobody knows what the frick happened to him. So as far as anyone knows he just ghosted the shit out of Aerith. So it ends up being awkward for everyone. When Cloud asked Aerith if she still has a flame for him in Gongaga she wasn't too comfortable answering. Zack is the elephant in the room. It'd be easier if they knew definitively that he was dead. But even in OG they didn't know that.
The shinra rocket from the original somehow comes back and through the multiverse and destroys the planet, and has all 4 huge materia. I still wouldn't even pirate it.
>huge materia
you mean magnus materia :^)
Has nobody considered the possibility that lifestream Aerith is the one trying to keep events as they were and allow her death to happen as it did?
>White whispers are different from the black whispers or grey whispers
>A white whisper is shown changing the timeline from Aerith being rescued from falling to Cloud and Aerith being on the ground
>They're stopping Cloud from getting to Aerith in the Forest of the Ancients
>White whispers are stopping the party from getting to Aerith in the City of the Ancients
>Red XIII talks about them in a manner of surprise, as if these are different from the grey whispers in Remake
>Sephiroth's whispers stop the party but then allow only Cloud in
>White whispers with Sephiroth's black whispers are stopping Cloud getting to Aerith
>there are white whispers circling Aerith after she dies, possibly keeping the others from seeing her alive timeline
>Aerith is shown bringing white whispers with her when she arrives to help Cloud defeat Sephiroth, and it's contrasted with Sephiroth's black whispers
>they apparently have white materia in them which is symbolic of Aerith
Why then would she be doing this? If Lifestream Aerith knows that her surviving results in a bad conclusion. The end of her date in the church with Cloud feels like a noble sacrifice, she has that as a weapon ability, and it's a theme of her character, so it wouldn't surprise me if they're keeping this as a possibility.
No because she is shown intentionally changing things via rainbows to benefit her ideal outcome (her and Zack surviving). Why Bring Zack back, and warn nuAerith about her fate in the first place?
Because she needs Remake Aerith to take action to stop Sephiroth gaining control of fate, which they get wrong, or she expects that he'll gain control of it sooner or later anyway. After this she is then trying to keep events as they were.
When exactly does Remake Aerith get the warnings about the future is a question though, because at the start of Remake she apparently has no idea what the whispers are, and doesn't know that it's a bad idea to defeat fate thereby allowing Sephiroth to control it, etc.
OG Aerith wouldn't know what the whispers are either so Remake Aerith not knowing is no surprise. The game starts off odd compared to the original. In OG FFVII Aerith is serene as she mediates over the leaking mako and calmly walks out into the street. In Remake she's mediating and then something jostles her out of her trance and she confusingly looks around and then scuttles away, dropping her basket in a semi-panic. I think the implication is whatever happened to her to give her that future knowledge happened right there. You as the player don't know this yet, of course, because at this point you think it's just a straight remake and any differences are incidental rather than plot critical.
>please applaud as we further bastardize our own classic for profit
People who buy these games are practically NPCs at this point.
I don't understand people saying this. Remake has been far more respectful of the original than anything FFVII related since the original game.
death has no meaning now. Who gives a frick.