Why does Venat cause people to seethe so much?
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Why does Venat cause people to seethe so much?
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Becuase they will never be women
>Why does an attractive woman in a game primarily talked about by fujos causes "people" to seethe so much?
Take a guess.
Hint: it's the same reason some "people" don't ever want to see Ryne in the MSQ again.
the fujo is responsible for pretty much every female character besides Alisaie and Y'shtola being essentially written out of the story by ShB
Yeah, between her and Nomura I don't even know who is the biggest fujo-pandering worm in Square Enix.
At least she's "stepping away" from XIV, so we might actually see a female that isn't either ambiguously underage or in love with a barafur within five feet of our main character again some time.
That news gave me hope of even getting Ryne (and Gaia) back into relevance again, but I'm still unsubbed and waiting for at least some kind of a signal in that direction before I come back to it.
She's the one who introduced them to the story in the first place.
>the fujo is responsible for pretty much every female character besides Alisaie and Y'shtola being essentially written out of the story by ShB
And even then, Y'shtola was only likely there because she's the "Face" character in crossover content and she didn't really do much of anything except give the occasional catty quip, say something that sounds smart, and then "Die"
Alisaie was the only female she genuinely liked because she was basically her self insert.
>hook popular female character up
>off screen
>during a time skip
>between expansions
>to a NPC
>a literal who NPC
>they're so in love she's down to do some fairly dangerous shit to get back to her
>and we're helping her
I love the fujo for DRK but god damn.
Ishikawa created Ryne but did not write the Eden storyline. Idk why people are saying she hates women, all the best women and best parts involving women are from the parts she wrote. All of Doman arc in Stormblood is hers, including all of the Azim Steppe.
I was talking about Y'Shtola.
Anyone who thinks Y'shtola and Runar are a thing are incredibly delusional, especially since Ishikawa herself said that they write the main characters around the WoL in such a way that you can interpret them platonically or romantically, and Y'shtola only becomes more ambiguously flirty with you as time goes on.
Runar couldn't even be up front about how his crush on her, even as he knew she was about to leave, likely forever.
>Hrothgar
>straight
You're correct about delusional people believing in that or any other straight pairing with those furgays.
Yeah I'm not really convinced but 6.1 makes a half decent case for it. I hope you're right anon.
Besides that, Y'shtola's whole thing is doing wildly dangerous things for the sake of knowledge, Runar is maybe 5% of that equation, after all his clan did help her out.
She's a fujo and it's obvious, but are you REALLY sure you're not willing to pay that price knowing that 90% of the good story parts, even in side stories, is hers? She killed Venat, sure, but she also created her. What do you think the subpar Ala Mhigo writer would've done? If Ishikawa had written the entire game, I bet even Yda/Lyse and Minfillia pre-ShB would've been actually well written characters.
idk man, I'm just worried we're going to get garbage, but Ishikawa did build up the main scions enough that other people can go off that and not ruin them
She is a skilled writer in creating stakes and emotional impact, but it's undeniable that she drastically favors male characters and, under her, female characters are underwritten as frick and given nothing to do of relevance.
Ryne was bland in the ShB MSQ, pretty much just an accessory to Thancred's arc. It was only in the Eden storyline written by who the frick knows that she was given real relevance, agency, and her character was given more focus as a parallel to Gaia.
Y'shtola, famously, does nothing of note in ShB and EW, she's just kind of along for the ride. No arc, no subplots focused on her, even her reintroduction in ShB is not really about her because at that point you're more worried about the shit you'll find in the Qitana Ravel.
And, of course, she completely wrote Ryne out of the story after ShB and killed Venat deader than anyone in the setting has ever died, while leaving the door open for eventual reincorporation of her broody elf butt-buddies.
And you can't move five meters without G'raha showing up to go along. And then there's Estinien.
I'm honestly glad she's finally gone, because we'd probably be in full boy band FFXV mode by the time of 7.0 otherwise, and that's not a price I'm willing to pay even for otherwise admittedly good story.
People seem to willfully ignore that she created Y'slae and Moenbryda, and then the other writers decided to kill them off without her input.
I really liked both of those characters' personalities too, and it sucks to know that it wasn't even her who killed them off. It's one thing to kill off a character you made, killing someone else's character before the expansion is even over is messed up.
I wish I could find it, but she talks about it in an interview where she was genuinely irritated that they kept killing off her characters.
I always thought that Ysayle's death was random and somewhat out of place (we don't even see a body, she just facetanks some artillery and awkwardly falls while in Primal form despite being a fricking bossfight that needed the WoL to take down)
makes sense that it wasn't her original writer doing it and she was just being unceremoniously killed off by someone else to force drama.
People seem obsessed with pushing the notion that everything in game is written by one tyrannical overlord who's constantly firing people left and right, when anybody who actually reads the JP articles in Famitsu and the like would know that the process is very collaborative, with people rotating in and out constantly, and even the localization team having a hand in the writing. Like, people want to blame Matsuno for Bozja and come up with some fantasy about him being sacked by YoshiP even though he's still on payroll and streams the game with fricking Hironobu Sakaguchi, but Bozja was outlined by two other writers, while Matsuno mostly wrote the character logs and pushed for stuff people liked like saying you'd execute Misija.
It's almost funny how much Ishikawa hates women. If she could have made Ryne a shota, she would have.
I wonder if she's the one shoving in all the lesbo shit involving Sadu.
Of course
I miss when we got waifus like we did in Stormblood
She literally invented Ysayle and Moenbryda and both were killed off by other writers and she's still mad about it
She also had nothing to do with yda being turned into lyse and ruined
>the fujo is responsible for pretty much every female character besides Alisaie and Y'shtola being essentially written out of the story by ShB
The fujo is also responsible for Ryne existing in the first place moron
In fact she wrote most of the female characters who aren't Alisaie, Shitola, and Lyse (IE, she wrote all the good female characters). She's also responsible for the steppe girls, Yugiri, and Ysayle.
>steppe girls
literally who
>Yugiri
deleted from the story
>Ysayle
killed in her own expansion
Doesn't change anything I said.
>literally all she had to do was tell hades wtf happened in the time he got memory wiped
>instead consigns millions to war and strife in a pet project to try and make ppl that can fight despair incarnate.
didn't like all the contrivances in the endwalker story. felt poorly thought out.
>beings with no influence over anima and only aether fighting a creature with complete mastery over anima in a place devoid of aether
It was pretty stupid but there was at least some sense to it
I will breed a lalafell
at first i was disgusted at this and the other drawings. Now everytime i see it i want to puke. How can someone have so bad taste in drawing with thos fricked up proportions.
What's wrong anon
>destroyed her world
>genocided her entire race
>for a plan that didn't even work
>the only reason we managed to survive was because of Omega, Shinryu, Azem's shard, Elidibus, Zodiark
>>for a plan that didn't even work
Sundered mortals have less Aether and are able to interact better with Dynamis as a result, Meteion was defeated on Ultima Thule by the scions and WoL and her plan literally worked and saved the entire universe as a result.
"Venat's plan didn't work" is pure copium from people mad that morons like Hermes aren't still running the world lmao
It has to be people trolling, I don't think anyone here is twitter enough to be a fanfic gay.
p-please, I- *cries*
People hopelessly addicted to escapism and easy solutions for their problems get extremely booty bothered by the concept of having to suffer so people in the future can live instead of everyone dying
I fanta out of lala a years ago and we still don't have this emote.
lala mouths are terrifying
Not as terrifying as lala buttholes.
Is this emote in Anamesis somewhere? Animation code?
What a messy eater haha.
Well damn, if that belongs in /trash/, guess I'm going dumpster-diving.
(You)r future wife
>switched from Maelstrom to Adders exclusively because of her blatant flirting at the end of the tank role quests
If she keeps it up she's going to be seeing some seed, alright.
Alright, I'm going to say it.
I did not care for the second half of Endwalker. It insists upon itself.
What do monk mains think of monk? Just off classed with it for a few roulettes. Looks like they finally made tornado kick not useless, but now it's a big finisher from Blitzes.
It's fun, but spamming three straight punches in a row to trigger one of you chackras feels kinda clu KY. Otherwise, I like it.
>gave male rabbits makeup
you cannot make this shit up
Anon, every race and gender in the game has access to makeup, the frick are you talking about?
race specific makeup? come on dude
Yes.
>customization bad
die in a fire lala lewder
Stormblood was sooo boring and bad compared to ARR and HW. I really hope it's not all downhill from here, finishing up my dungeons then I'll move to the next expansion.
Pic related in her kimono that gives her a fat ass was the best part about Stormblood.
HW was the peak sorry to say. The perfect LotR-esque adventure story. Everything after is just "AHHH I AM JAPANEEEEEESE" writing
mommy characters make trannies and spinsters seethe, which is why they're absent from 99% of western vidya
That's a pretty bad draw. At least post a good one for your gay ass post.
bro that's my mom you're talking about
Literally lost all interest in the game after Venat died, they couldn't even make her a ghost or something to keep us company.
Legit the best looking character in the game
Honestly, Endwalker finishing up the Hydaelyn story pretty much was the equivalent of the story ending for me. That mixed with Squeenix's new push for NFT and blockchain bullshit has made me quit FF14 entirely
>let's do omega story but with this venat moronic ass b***h and bird dicky
This motherfrickers can't get away with it.
hopfully 7.0 graphic updates help the other races instead of making a new one twink bait
there are only 3 female contenders to win the WoLbowl
>Yugiri
>Kan-E
>Y'shtola
But I want Krile.
Krile is best girl, in spite of being a potato.
mommy areolae and milk-bottle nipples
Because she is objectively a villain but the story tries to force us and the other Scions to think of her as a hero.
>r/AscianMasculinity is still coping over Venat
>he is objectively a villain
how does saving all known life in the universe make someone a villain, exactly? is it because she's a positive depiction of feminine beauty with motherly and nurturing personality traits who calls people her "children" affectionately and wears high heels and has big breasts? are you a troony offended at the idea of female characters having female character traits?
>how does saving all known life in the universe
She did nothing for life in the universe for 12,000 years. She had all this time and not once tried to get someone to beat Meteion.
Its the lingering cope from all the idiots that were smugly saying that Venat was going to be the ultimate villain of endwalker
The people who expected some fricking rise of skywalker-tier garbage """subversion""" of Hydaelyn and Zodiark were always moronic. Especially since Shadowbringers explicitly outlined Emet and the other Ascian's plan to farm out the other shards for lives to use as sacrificial fodder to Zodiark, with the only argument being Emet saying "Well hey, YOU live on the Source so you only stand to benefit, what's a little genocide and planet-killing between friends?"
sidenote it's nice how faithfully they managed to translate the old Amano artwork into the actual game's primal designs, they even gave her the trademark amano eyes
>sidenote it's nice how faithfully they managed to translate the old Amano artwork into the actual game's primal designs, they even gave her the trademark amano eyes
I'm usually a huge fan of Amano's work, but I don't like how Hydaelyn and Zodiark turned out. I think Hydaelyn needs a lot more color variation at least.
>anon continues to be in denial that Hydaelyn actually was RoS-tier subverted
Did the whole "I was actually just hiding behind the crystal tee-hee!" really not tip you off?
If you think Hydaelyn was """subverted""" in Endwalker you're moronic.
>Every single "THE WOL IS ACTUALLY TEMPERED!!!" schizo theory is completely BTFO
>Hydaelyn is a boss fight (twice, once as Venat) but the first is a friendly sparring match that's borderline flirting and the second is her giving a final test to make sure mankind's strongest champion is ready for the one-way trip to the edge of the universe, and she's cheering you on the entire time and wants you to win, where she sacrifices herself to fuel your journey with the mothercrystal's aether
>Zodiark is the ugly giga homie black primal and is piloted like a mecha by Fandaniel to commit suicide. Hydaelyn is the bright white and blue attractive female angel primal who literally saved all life in the universe before dying with her final words being how much she loves you
this is pure fricking cope. literally every single schizo theory and headcanon for how ACTUALLY SHE'S GONNA BE THE BAD GUY ALL ALONG or theorizing the mothercrystal would be like FF7 Jehovah was utterly BTFO. No tempering, just the WoL being a fricking hero and adventurer like always, with the position of Azem being the one she held before retirement and one that's always been held by adventurers
And you know it was 100% fricking intentional. The fact that these morons didn't clue in around the time of pic related means they never will, at any point, choose to understand the simple truth.
Both myself and my friends expressed guilt at even suspecting her of wrongdoing after that cutscene, because her pure intentions were made more than evident, but some homosexuals' skulls are just too thick.
>Didn't even read the rest of your post
I accept your concession, keep coping with your fingers in your ears.
>Venat literally covered in all the blood that's on her hands
>"God she's so heckin cute and pure, I just wanna suck her milkers all day long!"
>Talks shit about Venat for having blood on her hands
>Is a proponent of literally feeding people into the mulcher for Zodiark to slurp down like a protein shake while we "work out a plan to survive"
You're actually a fricking moron.
>b-but muh Zodiark
zodiark wouldn't even existed she if she didn't lie to everyone
>bitches out the Zodiark plan for sacrificing people
>the sundered world, created by mass sacrificing the Ancients, was literally made to chew people up for thousands of years until they were tough enough to match her standards
Sacrificed people don't get reincarnated, people who die normally do, that's the difference.
yeah and without Zodiark they'd all be dead by ARR
Where do people get the idea that they wanted to feed more actual people to Zodiark when that defeats the point of bring back the people already sacrificed as they'd need to bring even more back as a result? It's never outright said what the lesser life they'd use for the third sacrifice would be but it was very unlikely to be more people like them.
They wanted to sacrifice NON Ancients to bring back Ancients anon
Hydaelyn was literally created to stop another sacrifice, do you think that was done because they were going to put a bunch of squirrels on the fricking altar?
Jesus Christ, this is not hard.
Venat didn't care what the third sacrifice would sacrifice, the sundering wasn't done to protect those lives. In fact Hydaelyn was created through sacrificing her own followers.
She was technically created by "sacrificing" all remaining Ancients
Endwalker's story is fricking trash.
The Ancients planned to trade "the planet's vital energy", meaning chunks of the Lifestream itself. Any of that could include human souls or anything else, but it's vague enough that they can handwave it as whatever. The thing about feeding people comes from Emet who was goading you in Amaurot by telling you that every non-Ancient soul on the fully rejoined Source was going to be used for the trade.
The cutscene quite literally shows you the Ancients throwing themselves at Zodiark en masse begging for salvation.
They were going to sacrifice all life on every other shard besides the first, and then once the first was fully rejoined they would raise people as cattle to be fed to zodiark to bring back every person who was ever sacrificed. The entire point is a HARD RESET back to the way things were in the good old days, even if it means every single person who ever lived since then dies.
The discussion is about prior to the sundering, the third sacrifice to bring back the people from the first two, not the Ascians plans for the rejoining.
>"God she's so heckin cute and pure, I just wanna suck her milkers all day long!"
>blood on her hands
That's not what it fricking is. It's the burden, the despair weighing down on her. Why the frick do you think she's stumbling? Why do you think she dropped her sword? Are you moronic?
The entire scene was about moving forward despite overwhelming sorrow and despair threatening to overtake you; this is explicitly stated. How are you this dumb?
>The entire scene was about moving forward despite overwhelming sorrow and despair threatening to overtake you; this is explicitly stated.
Yes, the overwhelming sorrow and despair brought on by the guilt of all the suffering and bloodshed she caused. How the frick do you miss this when she literally says it?
Yes, the endless sorrow she created... by creating the world as we know it, instead of feeding Zodiark more and more and more beings to hold off the apocalypse while they blissfully pretend it isn't happening and/or try and probably fail to come up with a plan.
What a great alternative.
it's literally just edgy nihilists whining "I SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN BORN, THAT WAY PEOPLE WHO AREN'T ME COULD CONTINUE TO LIVE IN THEIR PARADISE (before dying horribly to the doomer bird lol)
like it's as fricking moronic as saying "boy I wish adam and eve were never kicked out of the garden of eden and remained the only humans in existence, that would be much better because I hate the fact I was born" like shut the frick up homosexual go tell your mother you love her
Frick off xiv troony, you have no real counterarguements. xiv's story is fricking shit.
>venat isn't the true evil like I wanted, that means the story is shit and i was betrayed!
Yeah, instead of feeding Zodiark living things she just fed people to the world and each other for 12K years in a massive Darwinian contest, leaving trillions dead.
And yet those trillions who died will have known more happiness and bliss than any number of Ancients in their millenia-long lives.
Wow crazy.
Shut the frick up, homosexual, your refusal to understand even the most basic of plotlines is disturbing to me.
>And yet those trillions who died will have known more happiness and bliss
Their suffering quite literally outweighs their bliss. Go tell some starving third worlder getting raped for nickels in a warzoe how happy their life is. Endwalker's story is the product of comfortable Japs who have forgotten what suffering actually is.
>Life is pointless because people are sad more often than they're happy
Then just have a nice day and rid us of your moronation.
No one said life is pointless moron
Would you rather be raped for eternity or life a short happy life
If you choose the latter congrats you hate venat
It's really that simple. I am convinced venat defenders are coping because they cannot admit Endwalker's story was a dumpster fire. Ishikawa literally admitted in famitsu magazine she finished it 2 days before the deadline and had to change it at the last minute at Yoshi P's request. It was intended to span two expansions and be completely different.
How fricking dumb of a b***h does a person need to be to think that the theme/lesson of
>Suffering is a part of life, there is no way to escape suffering other than death, so you must accept suffering and use it to grow stronger and find true happiness
equates to
>SUFFERMAXXING IS ACTUALLY THE BEST LOL THAT'S HAPPINESS AND NO ONE'S LIVES SHOULD BE IMPROVED EVER
>Suffering is a part of life
clearly fricking not because the Ancients managed to reach a near-utopian lifestyle
but anon don't you understand that if everyone lived in a perfect utopia with no suffering they would all randomly decide to kill themselves because...uh....because...look, they just would, ok????
The "perfect utopia" was being beset by man-eating monsters and literal man-made horrors beyond imagining, you dumb homosexual. The only way they put that shit on pause was by committing suicide en masse to create a big bear daddy to shield them, and his power was limited, so they were essentially stuck.
The "perfect utopia" was doomed because they had never faced hardship before and were basically enormous pussies who crumpled the moment they felt any emotional pain.
>Headcanon
Ok cool thanks
It was never going to last forever. If it wasn't Hermes creating Meteion, it would've been something else. The Ancients were so fricking incompetent that, when they stopped the Final Days, they kept fricking killing themselves because they couldn't handle the world being damaged from the event. They'd rather just fricking die than deal with a less-than-perfect world, even though they're all Godlike beings who could have healed the world by hand over time.
>They'd rather just fricking die than deal with a less-than-perfect world
you fricking dumbass, they had to kill themselves to summon Zodiark which protected the planet until EW.
YOU LITERALLY SKIPPED CUTSCENE OF LEAVING ELPIS
THEY ALREADY STOPPED THE FINAL DAYS
THEY THEN GAVE ANOTHER OFFERING OF LIVES, HALVING THEIR NUMBER A SECOND TIME, TO RESTORE THE WORLD FROM THE DAMAGE OF THE FINAL DAYS
THEY LITERALLY COULD NOT STOP KILLING THEMSELVES AS A SOLUTION TO THEIR PROBLEMS
>THEY LITERALLY COULD NOT STOP KILLING THEMSELVES AS A SOLUTION TO THEIR PROBLEMS
you mean like the Scions? How many heroic sacrifices have they made since ARR?
at this point you're just saying anything to get the last word in
except our WoL gets to bullshit everyone back to life because god help this fanbase if they have to live without their fujofest JRPG party
>WAAAAAH I CAN'T ENJOY A STORY UNLESS SOMEONE DIES
Just admit you never played it.
not when the main point of the story is to accept death and fricking move on with your life unlike the Ancients.
But then all the Scions make it out of the apocalypse world A-ok.
It's not to accept death.
It's to move forward despite crushing despair and pressure... which is why the Scion 'sacrifices' happen.
The point was never that they were dead. The game even explicitly tells you this. The point is that you're alone, and all of their lives are in your hands, and you must walk forward alone, despite having not just the universe's fate in the balance, but carrying your friends' souls in your fricking pocket.
How are you stupid homosexuals this dense? You are explicitly told EVERYTHING.
Game of Thrones and its consequences have been a fricking disaster to western audiences.
>make an expansion about dealing with loss and accepting the inevitability of death
>refuse to kill off anyone important because people would get sad
>UMMMMM ACTUALLY WANTING PEOPLE TO DIE IS JUST WANTING GAME OF THRONES SHOCK VALUE DEATHS CAN NEVER SERVE A NARRATIVE PURPOSE
Venat died.
>character we just made up on the spot dies
>again
WHO
FRICKING
CARES
THIS GAME IS FRICKING DOG SHIT
GET AIDS YOSHIP wienerSUCKERS
>made up on the spot
>two years before her death
lmfao
>don't know a single thing about venal for two years
>get to elpis, learn everything about her, then she basically dies within 2 hours
Bros... don't tell me you are this stupid...
>reddit spacing
>moronic non-argument
Hand in hand.
>made up on the spot
nice bait
Anon people were literally hoping for characters to die horrible, gruesome and cheap deaths to "set the stakes" going into Endwalker. People literally just wanted Game of Thrones shit, I'm sorry you are deluded.
i don't care about what other people wanted, only what i wanted
thancred's offscreen ultima thule "death" was kino and it would have been better if he had actually died there. no closure, no epic speech or fight scene, he's just gone and now you have to live with it
>Zenos
>Venat
>Hythlodaeus
>the Satrap
all dead, ultimately friendly faces, and two of them can never ever come back due to the nature of their deaths.
there is technically nothing stopping Hydaelyn from being summoned again as a Primal the same way all the beast tribe gods were summoned again to power the Ragnarok's journey to ultima thule. Primals can always return if there's sufficient faith and aether, that's the entire reason the Scions are trying to make peace with the peace tribes and solve the underlying conflicts with them, because just sending people to kill them is only ever a temporary solution barring extermination.
level 100 SMN/SCH getting a demi-hydaelyn is within expectations at this point. Maybe as an upgrade for Seraph.
Venat as we know her is dead-dead, summoning her like that would be like how the Moogles summoned a fricked up version of Moggle Mog.
Venat became the Primal Hydaelyn, who could be resummoned the same as any other Primal. Venat the ancient human being "died" the moment she transformed into Hydaelyn way back in the sundering.
This is such a shitty argument that it's unreal. Yes, deaths are narratively important and appropriate depending on the context of the story. Stop being such a moron and screeching "MUH GoT!" every time someone points this out.
Explain to me what any further deaths would have contributed to the plot. You could argue Thancred, but he should have died in ShB, if anywhere.
They would have been shocking, which would have made that anon's wiener very hard and he would have given the expac a 10.0 on metacritic.
They would have actually reinforced the main theme of the expansion instead of undercutting it. We would not be having this conversation at all if Yoshida had just put his balls where his mouth was.
Several people died, though. Several of them mainstays in the cast. I'm not sure what your problem is? That it's not a "party member?" So fricking what. This is a nothing argument.
>Several people died, though. Several of them mainstays in the cast.
Several side characters died. None of whom the main character, or the player, is much bothered by.
It is literally more important for a death to hit close to home if one of the main themes is moving forward despite the loss of something you greatly value. If it isn't sufficiently close to you, it doesn't matter.
the fanbase would fricking kill itself if they lost G'raha, Urianger, Thancred or Estinien.
They're still crying about some literal who elf all the way back in Heavensward
>the fanbase would fricking kill itself if they lost G'raha, Urianger, Thancred or Estinien.
>They're still crying about some literal who elf all the way back in Heavensward
That's exactly my goddamn point.
>zenos
>the last on screen death
>side character
Are you just being moronic on purpose to get the last word in before the lock.
ah yes, Zenos, our best friend, who most of the fanbase hated as an 0.5D murderhobo before EW
People who hated Zenos in Stormblood were filtered and I do not consider them to be people capable of intelligent thought.
He was in the NHK poll's top 100 FF characters of all time back in 2021, well before Endwalker. moronic westoids addicted to subversion aren't the whole of the fanbase.
Even if you don't dislike Zenos, who the frick cried over him or considered him some terrible loss?
The main theme of the expansion is struggling even in the face of overwhelming odds. The Scions willingly sacrificing themselves to transform into Dynamis bridges for you to LITERALLY walk across their bodies to the final boss, because they have faith you'll win and only need to hold on until then, is completely fitting with the message.
>The main theme of the expansion is struggling even in the face of overwhelming odds.
No, it isn't. It's moving forward despite your inevitable losses.
If the player doesn't feel like they lost something, the theme flops.
Zodiark, Hydaelyn, and Zenos all died and the Scions officially disbanded and the story is moving back to more grounded and traditional adventures and exploration of Eorzea.
How are any of these actual losses
Zodiark and Zenos were seen as the big bad enemies before this expansion
Hydaelyn has been radio silent for fricking ever too
IT'S FRICKING NOTHING
>how is the being that speaks to you first at the very fricking beginning of the game an actual loss bro?
>the Scions officially disbanded and the story is moving back to more grounded and traditional adventures and exploration of Eorzea.
Going to the 13th is like a mid-tier D&D adventure. Like level 10 tops. Meteion was basically a Neutronium Golem.
>Meteion was basically a Neutronium Golem.
But way more frickable.
Yes Endsinger was very sexy.
We didn't lose anything or anyone that mattered though. Everyone important that "died" came back.
Zenos should have stayed dead at the end of Stormblood. He was a boring ass one-dimensional shounen villain. He even literally says "pathetic" when he beats someone with his three gorillion times folded katanas.
I'm not seeing the problem since nobody technically died they just diffused into pure dynamis.
>except our WoL gets to bullshit everyone back to life
They literally tell you right from the start that it's possible to save them and they're not permanently sacrificing themselves, it's not bullshit, the transformation is never ever presented as one-way. The drama is only in whether you can succeed in defeating Meteion, and that you'll have to face the final boss "alone" (until your autistic dragon bro literally crashes through the ceiling and demands a DMC rival duel in front of the final boss lol)
You could argue the EXACT same shit for the lives sacrificed to Zodiark, because the Ancients knew from the jump they could be saved
The problem with the lives sacrificed to Zodiark is that it will require every single person currently living on the shards to fricking die in order to bring them back, and since the protagonists ARE THOSE PEOPLE living on these shards, obviously they don't want to be fed into a woodchipper so Emet can get his buttbawd Hythlodaeus back.
Wanting to sacrifice others to bring back your loved ones and family is an understandable position, it's easy to empathize with emet's plan or think you might do the same thing if you were in his shoes... but you aren't in his shoes, and so he's still the enemy because "please have a nice day and everyone else you've ever loved so I can get my loved ones back" is an unreasonable demand to anyone with a brain
that's not Venat's perspective. Venat actively stopped Emet's group from sacrificing to get back the rest of the ancients because "walk or whatever bro"
She also needed to protect the timeline.
>require every single person currently living on the shards to fricking die in order to bring them back,
Not back at that time.
It's baffling how many people don't understand that the ancients fetishization of suicide is shown to be a bad thing over and over. Hythlodaeus talking about "returning to the star" being beautiful and wonderful is meant to be offputting, you're meant to be weirded out when they treat Venat like a whacko for not wanting to kill herself after retiring and actually enjoying the world and its beauty. One of the reasons half of all ancients were willing to commit suicide to save the other half is because dying and committing suicide is literally seen as the greatest honor and accomplishment in their society. Which is fundamentally incompatible with opposing Meteion, whose entire argument is "you all should just fricking have a nice day because the heat death of the universe is gonna happen at some point"
Mortals are weaker, but they have far more will to survive despite hardship than the ancients ever did.
the cognitive dissonance is fricking unreal. The Ancients frick off when they feel their purpose is served and cause no drama about it and that's somehow bad compared to clinging to life obsessively like most immortals in Japshit. Venat is considered weird but not to the point she's shunned because of it.
Read quest text slower next time. The 3rd sacrifice would only sacrifice new life to bring back their old friends, basically the trees and termites that grew back after the Final Days.
The entire point is that by experiencing sorrow, you can also experience true happiness. Yeah, mortals die and suffer, but the fact that they do that means they can also love their lives all the more. The Ancients had grown complacent, soft and indolent. They had no hope of surviving the Final Days, even with all the power at their disposal.
You should be thankful I killed your parents and shit in your fridge, now you can know true happiness!
I'll frick you until you love me, homosexual.
The fact that you think this is even close to being equivalent is really just evidence of how thoroughly your brain has rotted away.
>The entire point is that by experiencing sorrow, you can also experience true happiness.
Yes, that is the "light in the deepest darkness" she talks about. The black shit covering her represents all that despair and suffering.
>Yeah, mortals die and suffer, but the fact that they do that means they can also love their lives all the more.
Yeah, that's just great. Now just call me a newbie or a speedreader while I call you a homosexual and the story moronic.
Little anonny-wonny if you just eat cake all the time then you'll forget why you liked cake in the first place snooky-poo 🙂
>I understand the story, I just don't like it
That's fine, anon. Nobody told you you had to like it.
I can't, but we literally destroyed the root cause of the first apocalypse. Can you prove it'll happen again?
>I can't, but we literally destroyed the root cause of the first apocalypse. Can you prove it'll happen again?
We are told in Ultima Thule that the universe is destined to end someday anyway.
Are the people of that far flung future era supposed to also embrace Endwalker's message about the power of hope while their last sun fizzles into nothing? Kinda seems like we're just passing the buck.
>We are told in Ultima Thule that the universe is destined to end someday anyway.
Just jump to a new one, it's easy.
Black mages can do inter-dimensional travel thanks to bringing over FFVI's ultros, once the universe gets to that point in a gorillion years everyone will just hop over to a new land.
They actually have a theory about Universes being born and dying and that those Universes that produce life may see that life escape into the next universe.
The people in that far flung future era will be so advanced that they'll be able to halt or reverse entropy or escape to another universe somehow anyway, since they won't have to start over from the beginning after their ancestors just gave the frick up.
>The people in that far flung future era will be so advanced
Uhh sweety, advancement leads to ennui, we need to return to monke to suffer and find happiness.
You're literally just missing the entire point of the expac. The point isn't to forestall death or "The End" forever. It's to move onward despite knowing our time is limited. It's to face that and live and be happy regardless.
The Ancients would have been raped for eternity, you dumb fricking Black person. They had no solution, and they had never faced hardship. They would have been eaten alive by the Final Days - and in fact were, before they created Zodiark (by sacrificing half their population to create him). It was even stated that even after Zodiark's creation, they would never return to the lives they lived before. They couldn't accept that, so were most likely doomed anyway.
I genuinely can't comprehend how dumb some of you homosexuals are, this is not complicated stuff.
The Ancients were entirely capable of stopping the Final Days. They were the ones that started it. Meteion was a creation of theirs and its conceivable they could have created a counter to Meteion. The solution they did arrive at, Zodiark, was meant to tackle the symptoms of the Final Days, but not the cause. Had they know the reason for the Final Days, it would've been within their ability to stop it.
>The Ancients were entirely capable of stopping the Final Days.
hermes did no one else stop twisting the story to fit some headcanon
Hermes is an Ancient and wasn't greatly different in ability than other Ancients. Neither did Meteion seem too unusual to Emet and Hythlo, though she was unusual. It wasn't said he was a prodigy or a genius. Therefore, what he was able to accomplish should be something other Ancients could replicate or even improve upon.
If they did, they did not know it was a dam they were corking. Merely a leak in a wall.
this is weapons grade copium, deadlier than black rose
>The Ancients were entirely capable of stopping the Final Days
>The Ancients were entirely capable of stopping the Final Days.
anon no. no they were not. they did the cosmic equivalent of putting a cork into a dam
>The point isn't to forestall death or "The End" forever. It's to move onward despite knowing our time is limited.
But, we do forestall death and "The End". That is in fact the point of our actions and the goal we're seeking.
I mean, of course, you always try, you never just lay down and die. Why would you assume that's the intent? You fight to survive; it was that tenacity in humanity that allowed them to actually bring an end to the Final Days, and why the Ancients failed to do so.
>it was that tenacity in humanity that allowed them to actually bring an end to the Final Days
the Final Days ended because Zenos is an autistic frick
zenos is such a flaming homosexual whom i can find little fault in. he drove up to the edge of the universe because he heard his homie was in a scrap
And when you are forced to just lay down and die?
Then shrug? At least you tried your best. I don't get what your point is.
Hell yeah.
>Then shrug? At least you tried your best.
And Meteion specifically says that this is what every single dead race in the universe concluded. Eventually, at best, you just end with a shrug.
And? The entire fricking point is that isn't a bad thing. Her plan was to disallow us from even getting to that point; she would cut humanity's life short by thousands, maybe tens of thousands of years because "it'll happen eventually". That's robot-level logic, which is why it came from a being that could barely think for herself.
If it will happen eventually, what IS the difference of then versus now? Is it actually right to damn people in the future out of a selfish pursuit of your own desires?
It's no more right than it is to deny those people the right to live and have a chance at happiness just because YOU deem their struggle to not be worthwhile.
You're exhibiting the same logic as a brainlet bird who couldn't make her own decisions. Stop.
What if they won't have a chance at happiness at all?
So because some people won't have a chance at happiness, we doom all others to non-existence? Sounds like a shitty, nihilistic argument to me.
What if there is a point beyond which NOBODY can possibly have happiness? Like the actual end of the universe?
That just sounds like everyone's dead, anon.
Even when the Final Days were in full swing, the Scions and others were still able to find moments of levity and camaraderie with their friends and family.
And when that's all in the past? What if there's a point at which none of that can be found in the future?
Again: that just sounds like everyone's dead, anon.
Under what circumstances will there be significant traces of life left on the star but NO happiness to be found?
And why does life fizzling out someday invalidate all of the life that came before it? You are CHOOSING to think of it that way.
the ancients literally created zodiark because of their tenacity and will to survive. how the frick were they meant to stop the final days when they had no idea what was causing it?
>Their will to survive caused them to kill themselves en masse!
They created Zodiark because they wanted things to return to the way they were; they literally killed half their number and would have killed more in the pursuit of returning things to a world without suffering, which was not sustainable.
Actual fricking moron.
the Ancients weren't sacrificing themselves to restore the world, they were going to sacrifice every other life form to restore the world
They created Zodiark because their world was under a dynamis attack that they were unaware of. They produced a solution to fix a problem they did not completely understand.
>They created Zodiark because they wanted things to return to the way they were
are you a skipper? the original creation of zodiark was purely to block meteion's despair rays with the aether ozone, and it worked. even venat says that creating zodiark was 100% necessary. literally everyone would be dead if they hadn't done it. sacrificing people to zodiark to restore the original lives that were lost came after that
He's right though, Y'shtola has a fricking punchcard for her sacrifices. One more and she gets a free ice cream.
Exactly, it's like no one paid attention to anything during Ultima Thule or the Dead Ends. The entire point was to illustrate how countless civilizations fell to ennui or worse by continuing to exist in many different versions of utopias.
After we beat Zodiark and you get the vision of the world enshrouded in darkness with the evil voice over and chuckle, I for sure thought they were going to b***h out and give us evil Hydaelyn.
>If you think Hydaelyn was """subverted""" in Endwalker you're moronic.
She was. I don't know a single person who thought before Endwalker "actually, she planned all of this all along!"
we've known she was a primal forever and the one responsible for the sundering, and since shadowbringers we knew she was an ancient who opposed the convocation's plans. all endwalker revealed is the answer to "WHY did Hydaelyn do the sundering?" and the answer is "Because although sundered mortal souls have much less aether than ancients did, they can interact with dynamis (which is the word explaining all the protagonist plot armor moments and what omega was trying to research in sigmascape) better which allows us to defeat meteion at ultima thule"
that's not really a subversion. We always knew she was the one who did the sundering.
And Post-Shadowbringers was basically The Last Jedi. Someone thought it would be a good idea to kill off Elidibus, the last main ascian villain, which forced them to asspull a new one (Fandaniel) out of nowhere so that we had some sort of antagonist in the beginning. My biggest issue with Endwalker is that they pulled a Rise of Skywalker / Mass Effect 3 by killing off the important villains earlier and introducing brand new ones into a story that had nothing to do with them.
>Someone thought it would be a good idea to kill off Elidibus, the last main ascian villain
It was a good idea. 5.3 was the story's peak.
I agree and disagree. That was one of my favorite parts but I feel like it should have been saved for Endwalker. I don't disagree with them killing him off I just think they did it too early.
>not realizing that Venat and Emet are both villains just trying to do what they thought was the right thing
baka tbh senpai
>not realizing that Venat and Emet are both heroes*
The villain is just a hero of another story.
Most FF14 players are leftists and all of Venat's values are right wing.
explain why we killed Thordan then?
He tempered himself with his false image of King Thordan as a megalomaniac, and had to be put down for his own good.
the canonically right wing WoL didn't agree with him. you act like two actors in the same political field have to agree with each other on everything
>right wingers want to turn off into subhumans and animals
No. Mostly that challenges in life make you grow stronger. So give little welfare.
Yeah, just like the dragons
Venat is a moron
>Most FF14 players are leftists and all of Venat's values are right wing.
Emet being staunchly conservative in his views to the point of having murdered untold billions does make me wonder why the twittergay fanbase loves him so much. He's well-written enough for them to overlook it, I guess.
Murdering people isn't a right wing viewpoint. That's a leftist mentality.
The murder isn't the crux, his fixation on returning to the old ways is.
It's not murdering people that makes him conservative, it's that he ended entire worlds with the ultimate goal of bringing people back to the paradisal dawn of time.
What he did isn't the same thing Venat did.
Venat believed that people needed suffering in order to appreciate the good things in life, that overcoming hardship makes you stronger. Emet-Selch believed that the modern world was fundamentally broken and we needed to go back. They did different things but they're both pretty conservative viewpoints, and they both did it in the service of a homogeneous, high-trust, collectivist, and intensely spiritual society.
Conservative leftists is a thing. Emet was a leftist. He wanted to force people back to the way he sees life as. Venat wanted to give people liberty through walking without having the ease of life like they were living.
she's a giga stacey that mogs both homosexuals like theodrick and fat prostitutes who play catgirls
People really want Emet to be completely in the right for some reason.
>people
gays and women love him
Venat created lalafells and namingways, she is the most evil being to ever exist.
Venat is such a girl/ woman. She literally creates an army of rabbits to run a moon ship and prettied up her dog with braids.
>actually if you read my dissertation you'll CLEARLY see why Emet was 100% in the right and that Venat was the true villain of the setting.
fujos and speedreaders should be permabanned, yes
How was Emet wrong again? He did what he had to do to restore the world Venat destroyed for no reason
>for no reason
my little anon can't be this speedy!
Dilate, your moronic buddhist shit is nonsense
his plan was a dead end even if he had won and restored the world what then? the endsinger was still out there and he had no way of knowing because of the memory wipe and the only people that knew of her are dead
>He was wrong because Venat hid the truth from him
Not an argument, without the knowledge of endsinger there's no reason to not want to restore the world
you avoided the question how the frick can hades deal with the endsinger?
Just sunder someone.
>how can beings that can create things similar to the sundered fix it
problems are a lot easier to fix when you know what they are
this is the 3rd time i'm asking anon how can hades fight a being that uses 70% of the fricking universe as a power source?
Hades can use 70% of the universe as a power source too.
I think anon is implying that Hades would make his own bird e-girl to go fight the Endsinger, completely forgetting the part where sending a creature into depressing black void of space would just have it end up the same way.
Woah, just like the sundered would have failed if not for Omega and Shinryu
Why yes, the WoL made it thanks to the friends he made along the way, that's the point you apex moron.
>created soldiers can't become friends
You must hate the clone wars
Because living in the past instead of securing the future is a bad thing.
and Venat stole the future of the Ancients by sundering them too
wouldn't that technically be hermes that stole their future since he went full moron and was a collaborator for meteion fricking off to build up despair dynamis? venat did what she had to do to have lifeforms capable of interacting with dynamis to begin with because the ancients were too rich with aether to stand a chance. the only thing you could argue is that she could have just told the ancients about dynamis and meteion but instead decided to play a super long con by leaving it to the sundered peoples of the far distant future and the WoL.
You're correct, but anon's too caught up in wanting le subversive Lightlady bad narrative to think critically for an iota of a second.
Emet was wrong but completely ignorant. Venat was wrong and willfully deceptive and secretive. Both of them are villains for different reasons.
Venat made the right call, it was that or the end of existence.
YOU DONT GET IT BRO MY FANFICTION SAYS IF HE SHE TOLD THEM THEN THEY CAN BOINK GANG THE ENDSINGER TO DEATH
How was she right about anything? Her plan didn't even work, all it did was delay the end for 10000 years
we won and saved the universe it did work
and no amount of tears or theorycrafting will ever change the fact that we won
How does she know that some creatures for the distant future are best equipped to defeat something they don't even know about? Creatures that are nowhere near as powerful or gifted as the ancients? Was it in the script that the WoL, the Sundered Azem, would be the one there to fix everything? Did she read the script way back in ARR when none of this was even a thing?
I don't know, the same way we did despite being sundered I guess.
Perhaps create a bit of sundered life or sunder a few select individuals to counter the threat? What Venat did was excessive and unnecessary.
You can have good intentions and still be a villain. She eradicated and memory wiped, and essentially cloned all life on her world into separate beings. The ends do not justify the means. I love Venat's big mommy milkers but that doesn't excuse anything she did.
Emet was wrong because he was lying to himself. Remember that short episode in Elpis where he taught the charybdis to fly because he knew it had it in its genes and it just needed to be shown how to do it? That whole thing was a metaphor for how Emet should have, and wanted to, treat the sundered. The problem is that every time he started to get close to them he got heartbroken. Prime example being his first son as Solus. So he just tried to cope by telling himself that the sundered were subhuman and deserved to die even though he knew it was bullshit.
bun girls make me so hard
Me on the left
If real life God was like Venat, I'd be fine with that.
just mess up the timeline bro and make things worse no biggie
>venatgays will defend this
i has no dicc but i must coom
lol
I feel like it's fair to dislike EW but to say it wasn't on theme is ridiculous. "For those we have lost and those we can yet save."
I just like Spider-Man quote.
if that's a real line from the game then it's the best part of that shitty questline.
the arr monk quests were such shit
This game has so many B-movie references, and I love it. This is a NIN achievement for reaching level 50.
I want to make mommy a mother
Turns out I've had a Fantasia because I made my account back in 1.0. Changed into a female Elezen and now I've started using glamour plates.
Am I becoming a troony?
No? You're playing the game the same as everyone else.
Because the fujo fears the Mommy.
>people big up the crafting in this game
>it's fricking boring and repetitive as hell
>videogame activities require you to repeat actions
STOP
THE FRICKING
PRESSES
what a shitty defense
It wasn't a defence.
sure thing homosexual
I can't even name an MMO with good crafting.
Star Wars Galaxies.
Watch they game reveals that Thancred has been subconsciously using dynamis the whole time because he's a fractured being and he cant use aether anymore
every scion and mortal has always been subconsciously wielding dynamis when they overcome seemingly impossible odds and surpass their apparent limitations. Did you miss the entirety of the -Scape raids in Stormblood, where Omega was literally trying to quantify and understand HOW the WoL and mortals in general were somehow able to add 1+1 together and get 100, but only in times of great stress
>She had all this time and not once tried to get someone to beat Meteion.
jesus christ please just be honest and say you skipped every cutscene or didn't even play the expansion.
1. The Ascians were a threat actively opposing her for 12,000 years and destroying the shards and needed to be dealt with first before even considering Meteion, did you miss the plot of the entire base game and every prior expansion? Going off into space is pointless if you come back to a Rejoining and everyone dies.
2. She WAS preparing for Meteion, the Mothercrystal is literally revealed to be a cache of Aether preserved for the specific purpose of making the journey to Ultima Thule. Hydaelyn is the one who put a tracking device on Meteion and traced her path across the stars and she's been hoarding Aether for thousands of years to send us after them, sacrificing herself in the process.
3. Until the WoL came along nobody was strong enough to send. Until a champion strong enough to defeat her in single combat and prove themselves worthy of risking all life on a gamble to pursue Meteion rather than flee, she wasn't going to send people to their doom, WHICH IS WHY THE ENTIRE MOON IS A FRICKING NOAH'S ARK SPACESHIP DESIGNED TO EVACUATE ETHEIRYS. How can you say she did nothing when she's been getting progressively weaker with each Calamity (lol thanks emet bro nice job there) and has been building a spacecraft for millenia?
The Ancient solution is to simply sacrifice themselves and hope someone else solves the problem for them. Sundering was still a necessity.
>replying to bait
There are so many speedreaders and skipgays these days it's hard to tell what's bait and what's not, playing through 2.0+heavensward+stormblood+shadowbringers+endwalker to actually follow the story is after all a rather large time investment and lots of people don't bother with it but still try to share their idiot opinions. It's like how people still get basic fricking plot points from FF7 wrong 20 years later because they never actually played through the whole game
At this point I just assume people who are Emet-gayging here are doing it for the sake of trolling and nothing else.
>It's like how people still get basic fricking plot points from FF7 wrong 20 years later because they never actually played through the whole game
Oh yeah, I forgot that you were the same guy in every FF7 thread insisting that Sephiroth controlled Jenova all along.
But that's true?
Play ff7R and read the ultimanias.
>7R and the Ultimanias
The real answer is that Sephiroth and Jenova assimilated each other and by the time the game begins there is no difference between them.
>The Ascians were a threat actively opposing her for 12,000 years and destroying the shards and needed to be dealt with first before even considering Meteion
>anon accuses you of speedreading despite not knowing anything
Lol.
Lmao even.
The Ascians were intentionally causing Rejoinings which weaken Hydaelyn because they all (INCLUDING EMET) were obsessed with bringing back Zodiark and restoring the Edenic existence they had. Nothing in that Q&A contradicts any of this.
>Nothing in that Q&A contradicts any of this.
It contradicts your argument that she needed to solve the Ascian problem first, given that she actually CREATED the Ascian problem intentionally to begin with.
She didn't intentionally spare Elidibus or Lahabrea, and Emet was likely spared because 1. obviously ARR and HW and Stormblood and SHB were written first and Endwalker's time travel shit was added after the fact and somehow needed to fit the main timeline and 2. He was one of the people with knowledge of Meteion and the final days although his memories were purged and only regained upon death, he was able to help from the aetherial sea after regaining them.
Nobody's claiming she was perfect but her plan worked and Sundered souls managed to save all life in the universe while the Ancients hid behind Zodiark and cowered. If you hate buddhist themes and the acknowledgement of suffering so much play a game not made by nips lol
If Endwalker wasn't rewritten and finished 2 days before the deadline and condensed into a single expansion everyone probably wouldn't be having this argument. They also should have had at least a rough idea of where the story was going to begin with rather than making it up as they go along.
>ANCIENTS DIDN'T DO ANYTHING TO STOP METION!!!!!!
>yeah no one knew her existance, only venat and she willingly didn't tell anyone just to get them all fricked up and cry afterwards because they couldn't do anything
>SHUUUUUUUUUT UUUUUP
They couldn't do anything about it. Saying anything otherwise is pure, unadulterated, and terminal headcanon.
>they couldn't do anything
>but fake people made from them could
>unironically Emet-gayging
>They couldn't do anything about it.
But, Venat is an Ancient and did do something about it.
Not directly you goober.
But Venat did do something directly, using their tried-and-true method of creation and experimentation. The sundered world is just Elpis on steroids.
Not exactly. Elpis involved the Ancients culling divergent species that were too dangerous to release and the species there were made from nothing but imagination. Venat only sundered the 13 shards and took the left over souls of the Ancients, turning them into mortals, then walked away.
It was a more naturalistic experiment, but in essence she created a giant survival of the fittest petri-dish.
Created, but then basically went hands off until Ascians tried making things go south. Her whole "You will walk" speech and the weird goopy vision thing after pretty much showed she wasnt going to lift a finger to help anyone directly
Creating WoLs isn't hands-off. If she believed in mankind's own ability why did she keep making them, why did she intercede directly on numerous occasions, and why did she send Minfilia to the First to hijack little girls to give the people artificial hope?
WoL would be dead a billion times over without the Echo and the Blessing of Light. If the Ancient's power was too great and humanity had to learn to walk on it's own, why did everything she do hinge on handing out Ancient powers to people?
>Until the Ascians tried making things go south
But she's the one who created the Ascians.
No, Emet Selch was the one who created the Ascians, or did you miss that plot point with Fandaniel? Unsundered Ascians were those members of the convocation that Hades protected from Venat's magic when she created the shards. Sundered Ascians are those mortals the Unsundered forced the memories of their times as Ancients back into
She allowed Emet-Selch to live, KNOWING HE WOULD MAKE THE ASCIANS.
Emet Selch sacrificed his and the other unsunders' bodies and hid their souls in the Void to protect them from Venat's magic. He was where she couldnt reach him
Yes. Which he did, because she intentionally created a flaw in her sundering that he could exploit, knowing he would escape to live on and make the Ascians.
Yea, but by your logic, she should have killed him the moment you went back to the future, and she was leaving open the hope that she could somehow change that future. Also she only knew the end result, not the exact how portions
>Yea, but by your logic, she should have killed him the moment you went back to the future, and she was leaving open the hope that she could somehow change that future.
Really? Because it seems to me she wanted things to lead to that future. Didn't Yoshida do a QnA where he explicitly said, "Yeah, maybe she was working really hard behind the scenes to make sure everything lined up"?
Well she also knows that the only thing that prevented Doombirb from erasing everyone in the future IS Zodiark's creation. So she did have to have some contingency plan in case she could not stop shit from happening
The game needs pawns and gambits anon, why do you think Emet didn't just go and nuke the fricking moon instantaneously?
There was literally nothing the Ancients could have done without first resolving to accept the existence of suffering and strive to triumph in spite of it. They outright refused to do that.
>yeah they could do this
>but they will not do it
>why you ask? Because Venat is god and knows everything
You homosexuals are so moronic it's starting to be funny.
Black person they said themselves that they refused to do it. They absolutely could have done it, but they refused.
Obviously they had to live because they lived. That doesn't change the fact that the explanation they gave is that Venat intentionally did her sundering in such a way that allowed them to live, knowing that they would go on to form the Ascians and destroy seven worlds. Meaning your argument that they were an impediment to her plan is moronic and self-defeating.
>If you hate buddhist themes and the acknowledgement of suffering
Endwalker is, like so much Nip media, anti-Buddhist in it's messaging. The core idea of Buddhism is that the highest virtue available to man is to escape the cycle of suffering by abandoning your earthly ties and selfhood in order to achieve nothingness in nirvana. Endwalker is the exact opposite of that, it's an embrace of suffering and the material life.
>t Venat intentionally did her sundering in such a way that allowed them to live
now you're just lying. the Q&A says she intentionally gave EMET an opening (because he was 100% totally on her side at that point and was aware of the final days and meteion prior to mindwipe), lahabrea and elidibus were not intentionally spared
>the Q&A says she intentionally gave EMET an opening
She knew what Emet would do in the future and probably knew Elidibus and Lahabrea lived as well, since WoL explained the Ascians to them.
Even if she somehow only thought Emet lived, she knew he would go on to become a "megalomaniacal madman" who would create a cult that would destroy worlds. She literally did create the problem you're insisting she had to stop before doing anything.
In fact she probably created the Ascians intentionally to have a controlled opposition to stop the world from getting too peaceful while creating heroes to fight them and test mankind's ability against.
People who think Hydaelyn is a villain (regardless of whether they're Emet-Simps or not) are accused of speedreading or cutscene skipping, but the truth of the matter is they just lack critical thinking and reading comprehension skills. You will never convince them they're wrong, and they'll never convince us we are.
top kek we got literal jealous fem anon feeling mogged by her you cant make this up
Her breasts being visibly paler than the rest like that is somehow really fricking hot.
You can probably see veins on those tankers considering how clear and light her skin is.
Yoshi P is cute
lala tanks are best tanks
Remember those Garlean orphans who lost everything in war and suffocated to death alone in a frozen wasteland?
>just pull yourself up by your bootstraps 🙂
Venatgays really defend this
stop self inserting as a garlean
>defending GarleBlack folk
Literally trying to defend a people who are on their, what, twelfth genocide and conquest?
>b-but the civvies!
You mean the 100% indoctrinated, thinks-everyone-outside-Garlegulag-is-a-beast, scared of magic, panicky, useless fricking weakling military dicksucking civvies?
They all deserved death for not accepting the help they were offered.
Remember when Garleans dropped a fricking MOON on the planet and tried to justify it?
>all the venat art that turns her into a supermodel mommy
she won fujo gays you gotta deal with it and move on to another twink fantasy
Mommy
It's kinda funny that everyone know Venat was the shittiest character of the game but people just defend her to watch people get mad.
She's hot and booba so it doesn't matter what she did I forgive her at the chance she might touch my wee wee.
fujo cope, her choice, while a difficult one to make, allowed existence to continue
for sure she suffered a lot killing everyone.
>Option A: cower behind Zodiark's aether shield until the doomsday egg at the edge of the universe hatches and overwhelms the aether currents anyways, and you have a repeat of the final days all over again
>Option B: Sunder people so they have less Aether but can interact with Dynamis more as a result, mortals become accustomed to suffering and have a drive to survive instead of being apathetic immortals who glorify suicide as """"returning to the star""" and who are completely incapable of coping with suffering or pain
Hydaelyn did nothing wrong. Emet was always pining for an impossible past he could never truly return to.
Don't forget, she hadn't even committed 100% to the sundering until after Zodiark had been summoned and they started sacrificing new life to bring back the old, and she saw with own eyes that the Ancients were never going to rise to the occasion and defeat Metieon.
It's like they didn't know about Meteion and choose to do the first thing that seemed to make thing better
Summoning Zodiarkbwas never the problem, it was refusing to do anything else but sit in his cope bubble and feed him fresh souls that was the issue.
a lot of emetgays pretend like they forgot the ascians planned to raise entire generations of new people as cattle just to be used as fodder sacrifices to zodiark in order to bring back every single soul who was lost to make him. They pretend like venat sundering the ascians to make immortals is an unforgivable genocide even though the sundered souls are shown time and time again to still retain at least some of their identity and pre-sundering personalities, meanwhile defending ACTUAL planned genocide and human cattle.
>Option A: cower behind Zodiark's aether shield until the doomsday egg at the edge of the universe hatches and overwhelms the aether currents anyways, and you have a repeat of the final days all over again
You literally have no way of knowing that this would be the only option, had Venat shared her knowledge with the ancients.
One single ancient MADE Meteion as a hobby project, that alone clearly proves that even if they're unable to interact with dynamis themselves, they're able to create constructs that are able to utilize it on a cosmic scale.
Now combine the expertise of all ancients on the planet + the gorillion years that Zodiark would buy them and it seems inconceivable that they WOULDN'T be able to figure out how to stop her.
Not to mention that the WoL was 64.2% of an ancient anyway, so apparently the ancients would be able to interact with dynamis if they could figure out a way to lower they aetheric density by 35.8%, a feat that shouldn't be impossible for a race of almighty gods able to transform their bodies.
Face reality, Venat was a villain, a moron and a race traitor.
Holy kino post Venatrannies will never recover
>sunder Azem (and only Azem)
>now there are two Azems at 50% aetherial density
>Now combine the expertise of all ancients on the planet + the gorillion years that Zodiark would buy them and (headcanon)
>he has one reaction image that he just crops to reuse
>No guys we'll figure it out in the future we promise
Dumb Black person, they had the powers of fricking creation, the ability to spawn pretty much whatever they wanted at their fingertips, and they got absolutely fricked by a brief exposure to the Final Days because it immediately turned that power against them.
>Not to mention that the WoL was 64.2% of an ancient anyway, so apparently the ancients would be able to interact with dynamis if they could figure out a way to lower they aetheric density by 35.8%, a feat that shouldn't be impossible for a race of almighty gods able to transform their bodies.
You're literally just making assumptions and basing further assumptions on what you're now just taking to be truth.
>Face reality, Venat was a villain, a moron and a race traitor.
She's not, and your half-baked, shitty fanfiction doesn't change that.
>>No guys we'll figure it out in the future we promise
That was literally Venat's plan though, it literally hinged in its entirety on "the sundered will figure something out".
Didn't even read the rest of your post.
If you think that the objectively superior god race couldn't be trusted to figure it out then you should equally condemn Venat for blindly putting her trust into sundered subhumans.
Dynamis was such a hugely fringe concept that Hermes was probably the only one with knowledge of the subject, even if he was helping there is no guarantee they could do anything in a reasonable timeframe. You also have to consider how Meteion knew where the planet was and was purposefully attacking it or at least observing it the entire time waiting for an opportunity for her song to affect it.
The only Ancient with any knowledge of Dynamis is the one who CAUSED the apocalypse. The ancients made Zodiark and when Hydaelyn approached the rest and tried to rally them in the Final Days they started pouring out the Jonestown Koolaid once again ready for another sacrifice.
HENCEFORTH YOU SHALL WALK, homosexual. NO FREE RIDES ANYMORE
That was hades tho
Hermes is the one who made the doomerbird
Counterpoint. In the 15,000 years since the sundering the remaining ascians never even figured out meteion existed. There is no reason to assume they would have ever figured it out.
venat please
>no white pubes
Dropped.
Emet doesn't have a penis.
This is a moronic setup.
A sniff if you please, perchance to huff.
>That entire comic
Completely inaccurate. Emet would have just crossed his arms and tried to be dismissive while Venat rode him and made jokes.
damn it do be like that sometimes
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUdWHhbWQAAC8e4?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
choose
My choice remains as it always was.
Wait there's a n2 mod? never seen it
I need it for reason
hades has never been with a woman because he's far too busy having his butthole destroyed by a pink-haired genki bishonen. emet is literally a fricking bratty sub
i disagree
>yostuyu
>passive/submissive
stupidest chart ever
Yotsuyu is mentioned as being a dead fish in bed and was popular with guys who liked the feeling of fricking a corpse.
The amount of schizo shit in this thread is actually insane. Venat is the second-most popular character in the fricking game, just behind Emet-Selch, there is no significant portion of the playerbase that hates her.
It's literally a handful of anons pushing the narrative.
That shit's fricking pathetic, I can't imagine a more pointless use of your time.
The official forum has a thread of like 700 pages complaining about her moronic woman plan.
No one likes her, cope.
Link it.
yeah the same 5 people who are emet dicksuckers what a point to make
The official forum has a thread of 700 pages of hedonist plebbitors seething at being told that nihilism is for fricking morons and that the good deity isn't evil.
I can't name a more moronic place than any one MMO's official forums, you're not helping your case.
>No one likes her, cope
Over 4,500 people took this poll in which they had to decide between two characters until they narrowed it down to just one - their favorite. Venat outpolled every character in the game except Emet-Selch, even beating G'raha Tia. You're actually full of shit.
I will never not be mad that G'raha's dps form isn't BRD.
>tfw ywn listen to g'raha's beautiful singing voice
He was one before going into the tower, and in lore bards are supposed to be inspiring leaders in times of conflict. It would have fit well enough.
>reddit poll
I didn't vote for him.
>It's very, very clearly not reddit
Actual schizo.
Endwalker was so lame. Tried too hard to be a tear-jerker. The only legitimately sad scene was the hug.
By the hug do you mean Moenbryda's parents hugging Urianger? Because that was the one moment that actually got to me and made me sad, probably because I could relate to that sort of avoidant coping mechanism
>okay so here were my options
>A: Play a ten thousand year chess game based on the smattering of information given to me by someone from the future to preserve the world for as long as possible until a solution can be found
>or B: Tell everyone about the universe destroying entity that we can't stop anyways and cause the planet to fall into despair sooner and dooming the cosmos.
>should have gone with A
Stream that film if you're so great.
>accidentally deposited some materia I planned to sell into my retainer's messy, bloated inventory
I'll see you nigs in an hour after I find it.
>grooms a shota into a child soldier
>brainwashes them to kill her enemies
>turned minfilia into a dog and made ysayle suicide so no other woman can get close to WoL
This is not a normal relationship
It's the IDEAL relationship my good sir
implying she didnt insert a piece of her soul into us ready to be reborn later on
cant stop the mommy train
>"My love will be with you forever"
>wake up in the middle of the night with Venat riding your dick because with meteion dead there's nothing stopping her from being summoned and hanging out the same way all the beast tribe gods are
You will WALK
I'll walk my way all the way over to those fine mommy milkers.
I love mommy. I'm tired of pretending otherwise.
We must resist the fujos by populating Eorzea with females. An inundation of cute and sexy women that will wash away the boy shippers.
>venat goes from protecting the little guy from being ritual vored to feeding muh time loop keikaku
EW was shit
>another brainlet filtered by back to the future tier time travel
lmao
they would kill themselves if they played blazblue
I played the first game, what happened afterwards?
oh boy buckle the frick up
https://blazblue.fandom.com/wiki/History
Do you think fujos and twittoids would be wet over Venat if she were a dude. Do you think Emet would inspire as much vitriol if he were a woman.
>Do you think fujos and twittoids would be wet over Venat if she were a dude.
If she was a dude they'd be too busy shipping her with Emet to hate her as a confident, attractive woman with unambiguously feminine and nurturing personality traits.
>venat was right because hmmmm emet didn't know the truth
mommy venat even gave us an entire MOON to travel to another world if things went south as a failsafe i love her
>Venat murdered billions of people for a plan she already knew wouldn't even work
all i see is fanfiction and heacanons about how the best girl was evil
The IP count has gone up like 3 in the last 70 posts.
decent attempt to disguise the big weird neck
but her neck is still big and weird
imagine gaslighting a fictional female character holy frick seek help dude
You can't gaslight a fictional character, you don't even know what that word means.
>Nomura's talked for ages about wanting to make a musical Final Fantasy
>Soken basically decides to do just that, culminating in contracting the guy who sang the boss themes in MGR, and Flow, a song that's basically a full on Broadway ballad
Can't block the Sokk.
did other mmos become troony games like ff14? i tried to play ff14 again recently but the overwhelming amount of girl dick cat boys nipped any desire i had to play.
Bobby's Yacht game lets you be an actual troony in the next expansion and god is a dead troony in universe.
How exactly did you see them all as futas without having mods installed to make them that way?
i am the most intelligent and highest dps smn and blm and blu ama
oh no you cant sit on your ass all day sipping earl grey tea boo hoo
If the next expansion is about restoring The Void, its still linked to the Ascians since they were the ones that caused that clusterfrick
So I'm guessing we are fixing that in the 6.X patches
its ok anon they killed billions to bring back their friends by killing another billion
Wonder if they'll posthumously use Igeyorhm more in flashbacks and shit somehow if that's the case.
if Igeyorim doesn't show up in the pandaemonium questline she won't ever again
be a real shame, she's my favorite cute, powerful moron.
As much as I love Mhachi/Voidsent aesthetics and the inevitable Scathach/Calofisteri tier waifus, I do hope we cool it on the dimension hopping and go back to fun adventures and regional threats.
how can anyone be stupid enough to get filtered by the walk scene this story isnt even complex
they really wanted their headcanons to come true
The fact they think she's covered with the "blood on her hands" and that it's not a representation of each of the Rejoinings and Calamities hurting her and weakening her is already pretty dumb. It's a major plot point that by Endwalker she's so weak you need to travel directly to the aetherial sea at the heart of the planet to hear her voice for frick's sake.
>The fact they think she's covered with the "blood on her hands" and that it's not a representation of each of the Rejoinings and Calamities hurting her and weakening her is already pretty dumb.
>Venat literally drenched in blood
>admits that her actions caused untold suffering for millennia and there was no justice or compassion in what she did
>NOOO SHE'S JUST SO FRICKING CUTE SHE DID NOTHING WRONG IT JUST SYMBOLIZES ALL THE WRONG DONE *TO* HER!
What kind of fricking blood have you seen?
The entire scene is extremely darkened, that's what blood would look like with the filter they're using. But even if you insist it's not literally blood, it's metaphorically blood, it's the fricking massive amounts of sin, guilt, despair, and suffering begotten by her, all the filth and evil of the world she created.
What the frick do YOU think it is? Black Ascian goop they coomed onto her every time they did a Calamity? It has nothing to do with her own actions, it's just representative of the wrongdoing done to her? Give me a fricking break.
she's staggering forward because she's wounded with each rejoining but staggers on forward lmao. why do you think she's limping if it's other people's blood?
Because she's tormented by all the suffering she's brought about. You mean to say it really is just her own blood, just all the bad stuff done to her? I refuse to believe you can be that stupid.
>covered in blood
>blood is black and tar-like
>anon ignores all the dialogue
>anon ignores that they've never shied away from making blood red
The only blood that's as black as the symbolic filth she was covered in, is the black blood leaking out of your ass from the cancer you're full of.
you can literally hear the shattering sound effect as the rejoinings occur. The reason she can't speak to people anymore directly via the Echo is because she's weakened with each rejoining. Did you skip the entire Atiascope dungeon?
Yes, she's responsible for the biblical expulsion of mankind from their Garden of Eden equivalent, and admits that it results in suffering and pain from mortals, but that very suffering is what gives them the strength needed to face Meteion in Ultima Thule, which is something the soft and weak-willed ancients were never capable of. hermes has a fricking mental breakdown just at the thought of putting down the magical equivalent of a Black person pit bull. the Ancients glorified death and consider it strange and a taboo when people postpone their own suicide. Mortals have a drive to survive and struggle even if they live in pain and suffering from the moment of their birth.
idk why I'm even bothering to respond to bait.
reminder these all powerful ancients were running like headless chickens in the streets when the terminus beasts showed up
>OH MY HECKING GOODNESSERINO, IS THAT A CIRCLE WITH LEGS AND TEETH?
>AAAAAAAAAAAA I'M GOING INSANE, ANAL VORE ME ZODIARK-MAN
sounds like a 1000x worse version of Chains of Promathia.
Shadowbringers was more like CoP.
ShB is more like Rise of the Zilart putting all the background and EW bening CoP just doing everything else.
>the Ancients glorified death and consider it strange and a taboo when people postpone their own suicide
Bro. The Dotharl?
And they mention during that segment of the story that the Dotharl are dying out because their religion makes them not give a shit about running into battle and just dying.
I think he's referring to the one random sidequest where the Dotharl girl just ups and commits suicide by jumping off a cliff
Both, really. They know how reincarnation works so they don't really give a shit about each individual life.
To be fair, I think at least one of the hits was her tanking Ultima for you.
LAVOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS
God Lavos-posters were insufferable.
I'm convinced all the people willfully misinterpreting the story or headcanongayging about Venat being megaHitlersatan are incredibly asshurt Lavosgays.
The fact is that the story has some contrivances. The writers wanted a story that went a certain way, and made things work out such that it went that certain way. The game couldn't possibly sit there answering every single potential "but what if" for Venat doing something to avoid the Final Days, so they abbreviated it with her remarks that A) she can't tell the whole Convocation because Hermes might switch sides again, and B) she can't try to separate Hermes from the Convocation because he was the one to come up with the Zodiark plan that put a stop to the world bleeding. The canonical answer to every "but what if" is that it either wouldn't have worked out or that Venat or whoever would've thought it to be the more unwise decision. I get it, that based on what the game presents, it seems like there are easy alternatives to her actions, but the fact is that you're then just wanting a different game. The game's story is that she had no choice, that to try to hide or run from suffering like the Ancients were doing always just leads to a civilization's end (as death is the only true escape from suffering), and so on. Claiming that Venat is evil or stupid or short-sighted for not doing whatever "but what if" theory you come up with is simply missing the point.
But I guess some people can't accept that the story was deliberately written the way it was, that the game deliberately presented Venat's actions as necessary, and so on. They want to believe that Venat is evil and that their "but what if" idea would totally work than accept the story the game presents.
>you aren't allowed to have Creation magic anymore
>now I'll Create a race of rabbit-people who can use Creation magic
I just can't get onboard with how hypocritical this is
implying the WOL wont have void monster girls falling in love with us
I'm convinced Venat defenders are tempered.
>no lizzers
>no buns
>no roes
>no hroths
no wonder the scions are based
I hope a hroth woman joins when they're added to the game and I hope she's uncontrollably horny around non-hrothgar male WoLs.
t. lalaturd
We had a Roe, and some homosexual writer killed her off because of some inferiority complex he had toward Ishikawa.
You talking about the troony? He wasn't a real character, only a plot device to introduce white auracite, then rightfully fricked off forever
>troony
How much of a raging homosexual are you? She was the only female character with any actual indication she had female interests. She wanted that Uridong, and she deserved it.
Yeah whatever, delusional femroe
I play a bun and a lala.
>>no roes
Moenbryda
The Boulder brothers.
I'd love for Hoary to get promoted to the main cast, dude's been around long enough that he deserves it.
>Moenbryda
for all of one whole patch back in ARR
>The Boulder brothers.
you mean the B team no one gives a frick about?
My game is canon and Im a hroth so checkmate
what's it like being a raging homosexual
Freeing
>killing people is okay if you create moronic subhumans with their souls
venat can see the future now? top kek now she's YWACH?
Stop talking about the lore and start posting more Venat lewds I'm stroking
>change to a tank class
>need to know the dungeon layout, mechanic and order of pulls
>can only play tanks in dungeons I've done before or else I'll screw things up
It's a shame that DRK is a blue class. I fricking love it, but I always have to change to DPS during a new dungeon.
Bro you just walk forward...
WOAH HOLY HECK THAT'S JUST LIKE THE THEME OF ENDWALKER BASED BASED BASED YOSHI DOES IT AGAIN
>dungeon layout
yeah, those straight lines really take a lot out of you
every fricking dungeon is a straight line
Most dungeon layouts are simple, and boss mechanics are kinder to tanks than anyone else. Play WAR, it's moron-proof.
nah you don't have to do much research, XIV learned from WoW's frickup in that regard. You just usually do 2 packs at a time. Its a little different in ARR I think though.
>dungeon layout
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I feel like I got lost on the story at some point when people bring up ascians I don't recall at all. I'm considering playing through the entire story again in NG+.
>Igeyorhm
Lahabrea's girlfriend from HW who accidentally the Thirteenth
>Mitron, Loghrif
The Ascians who ran thangs on the First
>Nabriales
Chrysalis trial gay
>Emerollolth
b***h who got dunked on off-screen by Galuf
>Deudalaphon, Pashtarot, Altima, Halmarult
Ascians scene in single scenes back in ARR who even the devs forgot about.
>quit in the middle of stormblood 3 years ago
>decide to get back
>I can't remember shit and I don't have a fricking clue of what's going on
>genocide my own people to become a god
>10 000 years later they still worship me even though I destroyed them
They do it for free
Surely there aren't people smoothbrained enough to think Venat did everything out of the selfish motivation to "become a god". Surely.
>genocide my own people
the ancients were fricking moronic and got munched on by their own creations, they deserved it, they were too stupid to live
Honestly it's surprising that the ancients survived as long as they did considering someone stubbing their toe hard enough would probably make them summon a neutron bomb the size of Maine.
The convocation (and groupies like Hythlo) are the only ancients with any sort of life experience or struggle and basically need to be their WoL equivalent saving the day because the rest are so maladapted to suffering. Azem is diving into fricking volcanoes and dragging Emet in with him begrudgingly, meanwhile Hermes has a mental breakdown at the idea of his pitbull furbaby being put down (meanwhile, Venat's introduction is falling from the sky and smashing a wild animal into unconsciousness to save a bystander)
that anon is pretending every ancient was as powerful and resourceful and mentally resilient as Venat and Emet when that's simply not the case.
>meanwhile, Venat's introduction is falling from the sky and smashing a wild animal into unconsciousness to save a bystander
God damnit I didn't know what to expect from Venat but that was absolutely not it.
Yeah the convocation was basically the secret (not really) cabal that kept the world in check because everyone else is too moronic to do better. The Ancients societally were basically children playing pretend.
How come there was no option to hug mommy Hydaelyn before she faded away?
I just wanted to be able to say,
>Thank you, mother.
>ok man you fufilled your purpose in life now go have a nice day
what a nice world ancient cucks deserve to be thrown in space
Why was EW such utter garbage?
>How will we get people to the ark as part of the plan? Have the sharlayans instruct the not-indians to travel to garlemald ruins to take a portal built by a nutjob ascian to reach the moon ark
>Let's focus on the hecking poor garleans instead of the tower likely tied to the shitshow behind everything
>The pathetic """deaths"'"" in thule
Reminder that people are still coping and in denial about The Plenty being a reflection of the future of Ancient society.
Genuinely shocking that Yoshida had to spell that out to people. This playerbase is fricking moronic.
when you grind tombstones for 10 years their brain cells die out
one viera gay was in denial saying "we dont know that" i shit you not
They even wear robes and masks and summoned a gentle primal to take their lives sweetly, IDK how people can miss the parallels especially when you're given that great speech about how "When we Return to the Star (AKA commit fricking suicide by euthanasia voluntarily) it is always, always beautiful!"
kill me ra-la
You mean the society that was doing fine before the meteions sisters fricked them over?
You've got it backwards. The dynamis from that world, and others like it, fricked the Meteions up.
The meteia arrived well after they started to an hero moron.
>"ahh, life is good"
>"what do you live for?"
"AAAAIIIIEEEEE SAVE ME RA-LA"
Skipper-sama, she arrived in the middle of all that shit. That's why they were so bemused in the notes that she didn't understand why they were killing themselves.
The Plenty is the end of all civilizations that don't die out from other causes.
The message of Endwalker is that all routes are Dead Ends. There is no future that isn't like that.
COPE
We don't know how reincarnation works on other planets EW basically turned the setting into a sci-fi game. The whole lifestream could be something wholly exclusive to our world.
>Ultima thule has you interact with civilizations that met their end via different ways either by getting wiped out, wiping everything out or reaching peak enlightenment
>And the dungeon shows even more
>BUT DA ANCIENTS ON ETHEIRYS WOULD NEVER HAVE MET THEIR END!!! THEY FIGURED IT OUT!!!
Next expansion please come out already im tired of these gays
They didn't meet their end. At least not yet. The Sundered are their descendants.
They would have. Everything does. That's the fricking point.
Lysebros...
moron erotic...a moron's breasts and abs erotic
Lyse is so fricking hot yet so fricking stupid and unecessary
we all agree that the wol and lyse 100% fricked after the """sparring""" on rhalgr's palm, right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFy3jmevED8
Who is gonna be the final boss of this tier of raids? a Werewolf? a Frankestein monster?
A mummy of course.
The original Lahabrea, and it'll be a super shocking twitch that Ericthonios is the one we fought in ARR and HW.
I'm hoping that they don't do that. I'm fricking dumb as shit when it comes to predicting plot points, and even I was able to come up with the "this mysterious Lahabrea we've yet to speak to dies and Erichthonios takes up the seat and became the Lahabrea we fight in 2.0" idea.
Wouldn't emet know because he can see their aether color or some shit
The Plenty was 'okay' until Meteion showed up and asked them what the meaning to life was. They kept thinking about it until they literally couldn't find one, then decided to kill themselves, which just fricked Meteion up even more.
What's wrong with The Plenty again?
Why is getting raped to death as a sundered subhuman better than living a life of abundance and then voluntarily choosing to stop living? Reincarnation is canon in the lore anyways.
>but why suicide bad?
Dumb fricking nihilist.
>what's wrong with living a life of sheer, unfulfilling lunacy to the point that you'd rather do a flip
>paradise and utopia bad
>eternal suffering with bits of happiness sprinkled sparingly good
Paradise and Utopia were bad because if they had been allowed to continue they would have resulted in the end of all life in the universe. They had no solution to the Final Days, they could only forestall them.
Prove there won't be another final days but this time you literally cannot stop it
All life in the Universe will end one day whether or not Paradise and Utopia ever existed. And the Ancients did have a solution to the Final Days. They called it "Project Sundered". You see, they reformed themselves into entities that would one day produce beings capable of defeating the Final Days.
the final boss of pandemonium is
Athena
>"Yeah bro, Venat was totally justified, her plan worked"
>"Just ignored the doomed timeline G'raha came from and that they're unanimously fricked, even though Hydaelyn is still around and ain't doing shit"
Read the Tales From the Shadows. They're fine. tfw no game where you play as Emet, Middy, and Omega flying across space together to go fight Meteion in the failed timeline
They're eventually fricked.
kek I forgot about that
this 100% btfos all venatgays permanently
>they're unanimously fricked
>he lacks critical knowledge
Wasn't it implied Hydaelyn was dead by that point? Also wasn't it implied that there was still hope despite that?
No, why would she be dead?
I ignored Alexander telling me this timeline was the best one so Ill ignore the doomed one aswell
when the frick will they add in the shark sword?
>got blown the frick out so badly he resorts to "doom timeline" to cope
L
M
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>the "doomed timeline" isn't even doom
kek, thanks mom for giving us TWO timelines
new world mogs this game
>mogs
>Once upon a time, a man with more means than faculties decided to start creating worlds.
>He knew nothing of the craft, however, and his creation was fundamentally flawed, as if crafted by the hands of amateurs.
>For all his means, the man could not buy his way into people's hearts…
>And the last dregs of them still cry, waiting for the future they will never have.
Bird sad 🙁
So when are we getting a Gaiden game set in the doomed timeline?
Future expansion, definitely.
Hildibrand could've beaten Meteion the wol is unnecessary
venat is a moron
He does operate off cartoon logic, it's possible. I hope the last Meteia shows up in his questline.
>doom the world because lol ennui
>allagans died the same way as the plenty
That just proves her right because the Allagans collapsed to the exact same problem once they got anywhere near the level of comfort the Ancients enjoyed.
Just live like cavemen forever bro
Yes, Ted was right.
>look the universe is gonna die anyways what does it matter if we die a few million years sooner that's just a second in the time of the cosmos
God just shut the frick up already.
no more garleans thank god i cant take another castrum glutus maximus
I can't believe people clamored for a Garlean expansion after how poorly received Stormblood's story was.
Don't you think that survivors of other Civilizations from other planets may come to Etheirys in revenge for creating Meteion and destroying their worlds?
All two of the remaining survivors from other worlds are already pals with the WoL.
>tfw they could do a whole expansion where the loporrits wake up and ferry the survivors of the doomed timeline onto the moon and they travel the cosmos searching for a new home
plz look forward to FF17
>FF17 just turns into Homeworld and it becomes a space RTS
day 1 buy
The fakeouts every expansion with Y'shtola have made her Hildibrand tier, except we're supposed to take her seriously lmao
yoshi said the moon will play a role later one watch we use it to travel to other shards
I still don't understand the shard shit, so everything is still on Etheirys but they're just hidden? I thought they were alternate universes after the sundering.
The shards are in a single physical space but separated dimensionally.
As far as I can tell they are essentially pocket dimensions.
>expressive and hot human form
>generic as frick amano design as hydaelin
>same androgynous face as every other amano character
>smaller breasts
>he didn't like the amano design
HOLY FRICKING FILTERED GET OUT OF THIS THREAD AT ONCE.
Amano has a bigger sameface problem than modern seasonal anime.
BEGONE
You can't deny it
I will not stand for insults to the man who gave us the Book of the New Sun Japanese covers.
this is the best portrayal of Severian I've seen
It's so fricking good dude I really want to track these down and own the jap versions.
I like the almost modern coat and mask that shows clearly that BoTNS is post-apocalyptic
breasts
what?
also her venat form is literally just the same ancient robe and mask as everyone else
Hear
venat's bedroom frickme eyes were sending me into a bloodlust
Venat could've sundered a crack squad of the best fighters on Eitherys to kill Meteion. She didn't need to sunder everyone.
Feel
>the true source of the noise wasn't meteion, but...
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The three lines right here are emblematic of everything wrong with the existentialism of Endwalker's narrative.
>Should we lose our way
>Tire of all this pain
>We won't be afraid to forge ahead
It's taking one idea, the existentialism, the despair, the inevitability of death and the weariness of life, and then just jumping from that to the idea of hope and vaguely "moving ahead". There's no connecting tissue, no justifications given, nothing linking them with the "why", just a platitude offered up as a response. This is the issue with the entire story, "hope" is treated like a conclusion, a motivation, an emotion driving you onwards, when in reality hope is nothing but an optimistic perspective founded in reality.
Hope with no basis is just called a delusion.
It's no surprise the player base eats this shit up when half of them actually believe they can become women
Endwalker is an Absurdist rejection of Nihilism, the entire story is literally just summarizing Camus' points from The Myth of Sisyphus.
>The absurd lies in the juxtaposition between the fundamental human need to attribute meaning to life and the "unreasonable silence" of the universe in response.[1] Does the realization of the absurd require suicide? Camus answers, "No. It requires revolt." He then outlines several approaches to the absurd life. In the final chapter, Camus compares the absurdity of man's life with the situation of Sisyphus, a figure of Greek mythology who was condemned to repeat forever the same meaningless task of pushing a boulder up a mountain, only to see it roll down again. The essay concludes, "The struggle itself ... is enough to fill a man's heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy".
>The English translation by Justin O'Brien was first published in 1955. Included in the translated version is a preface written by Camus while in Paris in 1955. Here Camus states that "even if one does not believe in God, suicide is not legitimate".[3]
Sisyphus is supposed to be damned though.
For a modern example - Are blizzdrones happy, in their eternal struggle on the treadmill? No, they're just deluded. If Sisyphus was happy with his endless, meaningless struggle, he too would just be deluded. The absurdist angle implies that so long as someone is occupied and struggling, they should be content, even happy. The end result of this would lead us to believe that the life of a slave outlines the essence of true happiness.
Holy brainlet the point he's making is that even when suffering the act of continual suffering is fulfilling enough to keep on living. One perhaps could even find joy in it.
Okay buddy just admit you want to be raped for eternity.
Also ywnbaw
>Sisyphus is supposed to be damned though.
In the original greek myth, yes, but that has little to do with the point Camus is trying to make. I suggest you read the book yourself and come to your own conclusions.
I've heard the absurdist argument before, but I stand by my prior statement. Especially since Camus concludes that suicide is not legitimate - If the universe is absurd and any occupation is legitimate, then obviously so is suicide.
If you believe that life is always preferable to non-life, and that any sort of life of struggle and suffering can be the essence of happiness, you end up with absurd(lol) positions like Sisyphus, slaves, or
being fulfilled lives.
Think
It's really easy to split in half.
The writer made a mistake in writing a bit too intelligent for the average unga bunga. To them genocide/allowing genocide is always bad, no matter the consequences. Venat was right in every sense of the act, because only by changing the ratio of dynamis to aether would anyone be able to survive everything that was coming. She was also on some level aware of the hubris of her race.
People cannot get over that, no matter what. The key point here is that smoothbrains can at times comprehend WHY she did what she did, they just disagree with it. They're so incredibly devoted to the good guy narrative banged into their head and harry vs voldemort or etc that they literally refuse to accept the concept of you have to crack a few eggs to make an omelette.
They keep doing it because they are angry as frick and cannot accept that this is the lore. Ishikawa even looked back and forth to Yoshi in a stream and they both told chat "Venat is not evil, we're just clearing that up", because the devs themselves are shocked at the 80 IQ bone-headedness of some of the fans. They should have expected as much when the game reached the hands of propagandized westerners.
>They should have expected as much when the game reached the hands of propagandized westerners.
Genuinely curious if any JP-speaking anons know; are the JP fans this fricking moronic with their headcanon homosexualry and desperation for LE SUBVERSION where it comes to Venat?
did they ever explain why venat didn't sunder emet/laha/elidibius? that plot point confused me
Probably when WoL mentioned them she knew that they needed to remain unsundered for the timeline.
The meta answer is because Endwalker was written after the other expansions and it would require an entirely different alternate timeline than the one we already played for them to be sundered.
The canonical answer is that she left a gap for Emet to escape from because he was one of the only people with knowledge of the final days which would be regained upon death. Lahabrea and Emet selch evaded on their own and were not intentional, I think Elidibus escaped due falling out of Zodiark or something.
>The canonical answer is that she left a gap for Emet to escape from because he was one of the only people with knowledge of the final days which would be regained upon death. Lahabrea and Emet selch evaded on their own and were not intentional, I think Elidibus escaped due falling out of Zodiark or something.
>implying they weren't all intentional
I'm guessing Pandemonium might also do something to explain it too, since that has both Laha and Elidibus
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/453754-What-s-the-point-with-that-quite-lackluster-story-in-Endwalker?p=5802432
so the shitposters were lavos gays all along huh
Have sex, marry, and reproduce
A tasteful sprinkling of bush *mwah*
The new Omega quest pisses me off in that I have to include Hermes being right, when both Venat and Emet had good reasons for doing what they did.
frick you, let me mating press Yugiri already
Yugiri is too busy on the end of Hiens dick to make any time for the WoL
hrothgays are pedos im not shocked
Hroths with that hair are sex offenders yes
these are the people who lash out when you call them groomers
Why is "accept reality is suffering over a fake paradise" such a thing in Japanese media. Evangelion, P5R, even fricking Naruto has this shit. Is it some type of zen buddhism belief?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Noble_Truths
>In Buddhism, the Four Noble Truths (Sanskrit: catvāri āryasatyāni; Pali: cattāri ariyasaccāni; "The four Arya satyas") are "the truths of the Noble Ones", the truths or realities for the "spiritually worthy ones".[1][web 1][2] The truths are:
>1. dukkha (suffering, incapable of satisfying, painful) is an innate characteristic of existence in the realm of samsara
neat
gendo wanted instrumentality
>gendo wanted instrumentality
Gendo wanted to be with Yui. He got that.
>Why is "accept reality is suffering over a fake paradise" such a thing in Japanese media
>Evangelion
there is no such thing as paradise thats the point
life has sufffering and joys in it why is that so hard to grasp
Because that's not the point of it. It was merely a way for the Ancients to generate an anti-meteion weapon to end the dynamis attack on Etheirys.
>reddit
venat
emet
>cringe
hermes
>moderately based
zenos
>unfathomably based
fandaniel/amon
It's time for you to admit 6.0 was a mistake.
i didnt know theodick and street walker au ra browsed these boards
FFXIV is the Coldsteel of FF with deaths
shb was a fluke
endwalker was dogshit
SHLUUUURP LICKLICKLICKLICKLIKC UOOOOH FRICKING CAT TATS YEESSSSS SHLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLPPPPPPPP
muh game of thrones deaths
muh lavos
muh headcanons
LMAO
>AHHH FRICK WHY DIDN'T ALISAE GET CRUSHED BY THAT GIANT ELEPHANT MONSTER THEN HER WEAK PLEADING AS HER TWITHCHING BODY IS PICKED UP AND VISCERALLY EATEN ON CAMERA AS SHE SCREAMS IN AGONY
>YES I LOVED BLOOD C WHY DO YOU ASK?
I want to squeeze some boobs, Ganker.
shut the frick up denji
Frick I love Zenos in a platonic way so much it's unreal.
he's trying to get the last word in like a woman
>side characters no one cared about died
>villains died
>no one cared about Venat
>600 page autism storm about her
I hope we get to see more of the Poo Shota.