>Remember us. Remember that we once lived… Also remember to watch out for that crazy guy Fandaniel. His pet bird caused the final days. I was there with my good friend Hythlodaeus and we ran into you because you got sent to the past by our good friend Elidibus. We went there to meet our good friend Hermes and his pet bird. Hermes's bird was capable of destroying entire planets because she had emotion energy, a concept so advanced only Hermes and an elephant knew it existed. Hermes was going to let the bird destroy our planet because he wanted to do an experiment. And then he was going to memory wipe all of us until Venat flew in on her magical dog and escaped with you. She then for some reason decided not to tell anyone about what happened and instead doomed us all to die, including our good friend Azem who fell into a Volcano while trying to find the source of the noise even though Venat knew all along because she put a magic microchip on Hermes’s bird. She then became Hydaelyn and sundered the world because a bunch of weak humans who die after 80 years were better equipped to deal with the threat than immortal gods who could create whatever they wanted at will. Except the only “human” that could actually stand up to Meteion was 9/14ths of our good friend Azem who also needed Hydaelyns blessing to survive along with my great-grandson Zenos Viator Galvus who had Hydaelyns blessing too, except his was reverse-engineered in a Garlean laboratory. And he was a good friend.
Emet said calmly
This isn't the big "gotcha" you think it is, cutscene skipper. You don't have to keep reposting it every hour.
>cuckdalyn apologist
Ummm sweety, there is NO excuse for hiding a major info like the bird chip from your good friend Emet and letting your kind get fricked by said bird.
The excuse is that Emet is a homosexual, and while Venat's got no problem with that she can't have him stealing away her boy-toy Azem.
>brainlet moron can only understand anything in terms of tribalism, cant tell that everyone is mocking his reading comprehension not saying they're on the other team
>straight up doesn't understand the "perfection is just a lofty goal, suffering can create beauty" metaphor written by a japanese woman disappointing her parents by writing in video games to justify an MMO storyline she inherited
>intentionally ignores the part that argues against people who want to go back to "the way things were" because they cant deal with being called out and their feefees being hurt
>doesn't understand that aether/dynamis dont mix because they skipped cutscenes
I watched all of this movie and Venat is still a stupid b***h who fricked up everything.
>doesn't understand that aether/dynamis dont mix because they skipped cutscenes
Except the Warrior of Light, who is 64.2% of an ancient and thus obviously quite aetherically dense, could interact with dynamis.
You can have your pseud-spergouts over "muh themes" all you want, i understand this story seems very meaningful and unique to you because you've never read a book before.
Venat's plan is still moronic on a mechanical level though and only worked out because of severe plot convenience similar to the picture here
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Hey, remember that book written by some idiot called Tolkien or something? In it, the wisest of the wise think of a plan to destroy the big bad. That plan fails in the last few minutes however and everything only works out because of either divine intervention or pure coincidence, whatever you like best.
Venat did what she did out of desperation and the faint hope, that we could overcome bad bird, knowing that her people can definitely not. It's not a grand plan. It's desperate plan that was her only available option.
>Venat did what she did out of desperation and the faint hope, that we could overcome bad bird, knowing that her people can definitely not. It's not a grand plan. It's desperate plan that was her only available option.
Yve'noile made wrong
>you've never read a book before
recommend me a book, anon
Any book?
Check out Mein Kampf, specifically the first half is actually a pretty good read.
>perfection is just a lofty goal, suffering can create beauty
yeah bro, im sure thousands of amaurontines enjoyed getting their souls broken to XIV pieces because some b***h decided that you have to live like a Black person to understand the beauty of life. the funny thing is the average amaurontine has more respect to life in general than your average mortal Black person raping and pillaging its way across the earth.
>the funny thing is the average amaurontine has more respect to life in general than your average mortal Black person raping and pillaging its way across the earth.
lol no, they got into that situation to begin with because they didn't respect life at all.
>they didn't respect life at all
Black person what? these immortal mfs were constantly trying to better the eco system and were actively working to better the planet as a whole.
>better the ecosystem
>by constantly one-upping each-other by creating bigger, meaner and more powerful predators
Yes but they put down the heckin murder pitty!! The heckin pupperino!!
And they did so without any actual value for the concept of life. To the Ancients, life was something they could give and take at a whim. It was no big deal because death was no big deal to them. That's exactly what got them into the mess in the first place. They were living in a bubble where life and death weren't a big deal.
>no just ignore the writer's intentions! they didn't show you that identical society collapsing under the exact same problem for any real reason!
And how many people have we butchered over the course of the story?
>no just ignore the writer's intentions!
Yes actually, i don't give a single shit about what Ishikawa's intentions were.
She failed to convey her intended themes appropriately within the story, i can acknowledge what her intent was and still criticize the story for being moronic regardless.
I also find it odd how people use the Dead Ends as a justification for Venat's actions when she didn't even know about that, she genuinely just killed her people because she was upset that people relied on Zodiark and didn't wanna give up their objectively superior existence over her fortune cookie wisdom.
>Yes actually, i don't give a single shit about what Ishikawa's intentions were.
Because you're a fricking moron and you can't allow yourself to actually examine what the narrative purpose of the Plenty was.
>She failed to convey her intended themes appropriately within the story
She didn't, you're just being intentionally obtuse and ignoring the part where the themes were conveyed. Hermes addressed it, Venat addressed it, and the Dead Ends addressed it. You're basically just a fricking moron.
>hey this will happen to society
>why? You literally use fighting against destiny itself as an argument to never give up.
>THIS WILL HAPPEN BECAUDE I SAID SO! DON'T YOU SEE THE JUXTAPOSITION I MADE????
you're insane, anon, and ishiwaka failed at justify Venat
It will happen because they already didn't give a shit about life and death.
>society values death as the ultimate goal
>people kill themselves when they finish their work
>several times the question is brought up what happens when they're done perfecting the planet
>you're shown an identical society that all killed themselves at once
>"duuurrrrr there's no reason to think the society that valued suicide as the ultimate reward would just commit suicide"
You're being moronic on purpose.
What a dumb Black person. Ancients already began to rethink about death. This is already show in the raid series and with hermes. We only got to see elpis but who knows how many were starting to see life with other eyes.
Also comparing that if 1 race that somehow resembles the ancients would mean that the same shit will happen to them just go against everything the game stands for as fighting destiny itself
Literally the entire point of Hermes's character was that he and Venat were the only two people in the entirety of Ancient society that valued life for the sake of itself. Everybody else just saw life as a means to an end before accepting death. The Ancients 100% would have committed mass suicide when they deemed they had perfected the world.
>The Ancients 100% would have committed mass suicide when they deemed they had perfected the world.
What point is there in living when you've fulfilled your purpose in life?
hey man can you borrow one of your kidneys
I'll let you know once I've achieved my life's purpose.
And the Ancients determined their own purposes.
Why is suicide a bad thing?
It's kind of irrelevant since the only difference between the Ancients and the Sundered was that the Sundered learned it was Meteion causing the Final Days. Had the Ancients known that, they wouldn't have created Zodiark. They would've created their own version of WoL.
>Why is suicide a bad thing?
Because if your healers are dead, only RDM and SMN can rez, and you cant use Phoenix Down in combat.
Why isn't phoenix down a combat item though?
The cast time is too long to be useful in combat.
>And the Ancients determined their own purposes.
The Ancients as a society held that their purpose was to perfect the world with creation magic. And they explicitly looked down at people that lived after others had deemed their purpose complete. It's mentioned that a lot of people thought Venat was a fricking weirdo because she didn't immediately kill herself when she gave up the seat of Azem. It's meant to be weird and foreign that she's enjoying her "retirement" by doing what she loves and finding enjoyment in adventure, which has always been her purpose. She found her own purpose and enjoyment and it was seen as fricking weird by her peers.
Did you know that in real life we've had weird and dissident behaviors that later became normalized?
You make a good point by bringing up that Venat found her own purpose beyond what was assigned to her by her civilization, even one ancient doing this means they're explicitly different from the dudes of the Plenty who ALL wiped themselves out the moment they deemed their collective work done, they were clearly a more collectivist species than the ancient.
Venat also isn't even the only ancient who did this, it was considered unusual but not unheard of.
Yes, and many of those Ancients are probably the ones that joined Venat's faction and thought the Sundering was the solution. For some reason, everybody always forgets that she was not alone and had a sizeable portion of the surviving Ancients on her side, realizing that Zodiark was not the solution and that it was time to make something else.
The thing that makes the Ancients different than the Plenty that you're talking about is probably the exact reason the Sundering happened. The Sundering -is- their response to it.
I will need a source on that because iirc the support she had was from the new life forms
You see a meeting of her dudes all gathering together and discussing their plan after Anamnesis Anyder.
So, what you're saying, is that Ancient society had a general idea of what their purpose should be and their society's members conformed to that idea. When deviants like Venat chose a different purpose, they were looked at as irregular.
This doesn't seem to answer the question, "What point is there in living if you've fulfilled your purpose in life?" If the Ancients, as a whole, felt their purpose fulfilled and killed themselves, would that be wrong? If Venat, not finding she has fulfilled her purpose, continues to live forever, is that wrong? They are both valid choices imo.
The problem is one of those choices fuels the depressed birb at the edge of space.
Yea, but no one knew that at the time. Otherwise, they were all existing independent of each other and going about their merry way in the Universe.
Life is its own blessing, and purpose is determined by the individual and nothing external.
>we're already at the stage where anons can no longer deny that the Ancients would have killed themselves and have backpedaled into suicide actually being a good thing
lol, same script every thread
Clinging onto life even after you feel you have accomplished everything you can and saw everything you want to see is ridiculous, doubly so in a world where reincarnstion is affect of life
You didnt read the thread tho. Venatgays arr always oblitarated and start screaming "b-b-but it was ishikawa intention!!" Also even humans irl die peacefully after living for 80+ years, some even yearn for it after a long road in life.
>What point is there in living when you've fulfilled your purpose in life?
welcome to literally the starting question of basic philosophy. Most people get here in early middle school.
>when they deemed they had perfected the world.
How can you even describe "perfecting thr world". When you know you already done that.
Apparently the Ancients had not since they had not all suicided yet. Also, each Ancient had their own individual purpose as well it seems. So, maybe it's more like a laundry list of purposes that had to be complete before they all offed themselves.
And how is this different from huamans? We literally do the same except death take us by itself after we lived a succesful life.
I'd say humans are rarely so confident in their life's purpose. Not knowing confidently what their purpose in life is, they can't achieve what I imagine is a sense of complete fulfillment that leaves an Ancient without a desire to continue living. And so they end their life.
Now you're just making shit up.
How so?
I never said anything about the meaning of life or accomplishment. Humans mostly just live
Which would be different from how the Ancients existed.
Because the Ancients know more about the nature of reality than we do.
Not enough, apparently.
>have convocation member that specializes in time magic
>she knows a spell called Rewind
>never invent time travel
Yeah. We already have books on how humanity search inmortality but how flawed that would be. Ancients are aware of it and made a civilisation where you choose when you wanna die. I dont see the issue.
The Ancients existence doesn't have anything to do with immortality. It has to do with purpose. If their purpose was to see the end of the universe, they would eagerly pursue that and live as long as necessary.
>missing the point
Ok
And what was the point?
To live for the sake of it, motherfricker. That's the whole reason why everyone thought Venat was crazy, because she still loved life and the world in a genuine way, not in the removed abstract sense that Ancient society as a whole did. The purpose of life is to enjoy it, not to treat it as some autistic worlo death grind until you're peer pressured into committing state-sanctioned suicide.
We dont know how inmortal people think and i dont think a shitty crazy fujo knows it
>the writer of the characters doesn’t know how they think
If you want to discuss your fanfic imagination of how the story went, frick off somewhere else. The rest of us are discussing the text as it was written, not how you wish it went.
He's literally half of the thread, anon.
Damn, anon. The melty schizo agrees with you. You must be doing something wrong.
You may think the purpose of life is to enjoy it and you may agree with how Venat lived her life, but who are you to say those other Ancients can't determine their own path in life or are so sheepish to simply follow the crowd?
>and you can't allow yourself to actually examine what the narrative purpose of the Plenty was.
No, i did. Unlike you I'm just not a low IQ npc and can draw my own conclusion about a story's text instead of taking it at face value.
You're incapable of critically assessing art because you're not intelligent and probably also haven't read very much.
>She didn'
Yes she did and it was already explained in this thread why.
>Unlike you I'm just not a low IQ NPC and can draw my own conclusion about a story's text instead of taking it at face value.
No, you clearly can't because you have to intentionally ignore half the fricking themes in order to come away with the conclusion you did. And you did exactly that by your own admission. You absolutely refuse to examine what was going on in the Ancients' society and how that correlates to everything else that happened. And why? So you can pretend you're smart for "figuring out" that Hydaelyn is secretly evil?
>because you have to intentionally ignore half the fricking themes
I didn't, i acknowledge the themes of the story and simply point out that those themes are improperly supported by the text.
You're meanwhile a genuine dimwit so you can't make qualitative assessments of the execution of any given theme, you think a theme is good merely because it's there.
>and simply point out that those themes are improperly supported by the text.
Except that they aren't. You're just ignoring the parts that blow your ass out.
I hope you're aware that repeating yourself over and over until the person you're talking to gets too bored to reply doesn't actually make you right.
I have thoroughly BTFO'd your NPC ass and in short, you will never be sapient.
Have a good day.
>LALALALALALA THE ELPIS SEGMENT DIDN'T EXIST HERMES DIDN'T EXPRESS ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE ANCIENT SOCIETY THAT WERE ALSO ILLUSTRATED BY THE ELPIS FLOWERS ALWAYS BEING WHITE LALALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU CAN'T HEAR YOU I'M SMART BECAUSE ACTUALLY GOOD GUY IS EVIL
This homie was unironically convinced by Hermes crying about the heckin murderpitty. The wholesome chonkerino!
Do you also think our entire species should be wiped out? Because we do far more inhumane things to animals and other people than the ancients ever did and nobody really cares either.
>the former Fandaniel? who? i only remember the parts of the story that became plebbit memes xD
So what? Should everyone on Eorzea actively make their lives worse the second they reach a level of development near to the Ancients because "muh suffering" bro
Hermes was sad and the other Ancients weren't, thats the only "problem" the elips flower illustrated.
Elpis flowers are supposed to color according to positive emotions too, skipper-kun.
So all those emotions shown by the ancients like Venat's conversation with the WoL about adventures and Emet getting mad were just them faking it?
Emet literally ripped out his emotions and stowed them in crystal whenever they became too strong.
Venat too?
Venat was probably just as moronic and broken as most others. Either way the problem was with society in general and not every single individual.
>HERMES DIDN'T EXPRESS ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE ANCIENT SOCIETY
The only problem Ancient society had was that it was too happy and so Hermes never expected the stars to answer back with despair.
damn dude you're just dripping with insecurity, arent you?
Venat's goal was to defeat Meteion and that wasn't something that could be done if she didn't do what she did, because what she did end up doing was what she was told she would do by her brave little spark. And it was that same BLS that would return to the future with the knowledge needed to defeat Meteion.
Ah yes im sure all those Morbols were bettering the ecosystem
Schizobabble
Only coherent post in the thread
Samegay.
speedreaders and fujos are literally being driven to insanity
Damn i must've struck a nerve there if you're busting out the ol' inspect element.
Double downing and projecting in a single post.
Damn you must really enjoy getting replies from someone besides yourself for once.
I accept your concession
All brainlets will tell you that ancients had no way to win. Why even help your friend or give them a chance, right? Lololol mommy milkers
>All brainlets will tell you that ancients had no way to win.
Damn I guess Emet's a brainlet then.
Yes. Emet got turbo butchered on EW is not even funny. You can feel how rushed and half asset shit it was.
Somehow you still don't understand that her trying to convince them to accepting suffering WAS the chance for them to win on their own and they failed.
>hey homies accept suffering
>why?
>I completly know why but i will not tell you lol lmao
Yeah she's not a dumb b***h for sure.
They needed to do it both for Meteion and so their society wouldn't degrade back into suicidal apathy. This is where you reject that there was any problem at all with their society.
There were problems. Just like how there are problems im the current shattered world. Whats your point. We should nuke them too because they might just war themselves into exintion like irl humans?
This is when you say some dumb shit and i tell you that the ancients had no idea about metion contrary to the sundered gays
>no because it the Ancients knew then they would have just pretended to be temporarily okay with suffering until they beat Meteion and then they'd go straight back to their denial and end in suicide!
Compelling argument.
>these people are too happy, i think they might kill themselves if they get bored one day because another completely different alien species that wore similar robes also did, so we need to kill them right now and replace them with wienerroaches because wienerroaches appreciate life more
I hope you understand how insane you sound.
Venat defenders will never understand how insane, stupid and moronic it was. Is the equivalent of us still using the phrenology
Do you really think the Amcent were happy after summoning Zodiark? Because it looked like they would go on to sacrifica even more things to him after every minute inconvinience that could threat their "perfect paradise"
>yeah ancients just sacrifice people for any tiny tiny thing
Where this headcannon started? Was it speedreaders taking shitposting seriously?
He is still a primal, you know.
It doesnt need more sacrifices and that was stated. The ancient souls arent shit like the sundered ones
>Do you really think the Amcent were happy after summoning Zodiark?
Well certainly not in the immediate aftermath, but they clearly had a concrete plan for rebuilding things.
Do you think we should have mercy-killed all Hiroshima survivors because they didn't have a great time moments after their skin was burned off?
>Because it looked like they would go on to sacrifica even more things to him after every minute inconvinience that could threat their "perfect paradise"
No it didn't look like that, the amount of sacrifices they were making was clearly defined and with purpose, not just to fix minor inconveniences.
They sacrificed hapf their number to stop the literal end of the world, then they sacrificed another half to restore the world to a livable state.
From then on they wanted to nurture the now restored planet'a lower life forms enough to sacrifice those in order to resurrect all their fallen brethren.
After this point society would pretty much be where it was before the final days, with the only difference being that people would certainly be aware of hardship and suffering now, all without having to destroy themselves entirely like what Venat did in her tantrum.
But the new mortals are not wienerroaches, anon. Have you slept on the whole goddamn theme of the game?
Our "wienerroach" literally beat three of the unsundered by themselves. Eorzeans are better than Amaurotines, precisely because of their willpower in face of life's adversities and the connections they forge through that adversity.
Are you just mad because you wanted some sort of Ubermensch fantasy and it gets refuted by the central themes?
How do Eorzeans being better than Amaurotines refute the idea of an ubermensch fantasy? It just means the different race is the ubermensch.
The WoL is 60% ancient at that point.
And he beat 100% ancients.
Which means there is something in this new form of mortal life that makes it stronger. The Ancients are not some sort of peak lifeform.
Not really because this new mortal species is deeply flawed as well.
And that's okay. Perfection and superiority does not exist, nor is it desirable. Diversity is mankind's greatest strenght.
>And he beat 100% ancients.
I like people say this and just overlook how the fights against Emet and Elidibus canonically were 8-on-1s.
You also needed the help of the scions and Ardbert to beat Emet and you needed Emet's help to not get perma-locked by Elidibussy.
The WoL is by no means stronger than the elite ancients in a 1v1.
emet summons ancients to assist him during his fight, even if they're jobber versions
elidibus also summons people, though not ancients they're still contenders as they are basically us
neither fight was an eight v one
You have an argument for Elidibus but the adds in Emet's fight were a complete joke that don't change how unfair the match-up was at all.
They were just an attack he threw out to distract you while he was charging up, they didn't have souls.
He probably could have made them look like generic energy orbs but just wanted to be dramatic.
Until of course we Eorzeans exterminate ourselves and end up in the Dead Ends because of some bullshit
Perhaps. Regardless, the value of life is in the struggle. Even if we all die in the end, our lives had meaning because we suffered and made connections and enjoyed its joys.
Something the Ancients were not capable of.
The ancients obviously had friendships and relationships. Emet, Hythlodeus and Azem all share a friendship that is identical to the way humans do.
Frankly Emet/Hythd/Azem look to me like an exception rather than a rule - and perhaps this friendship existed because of Azem's particularly good ability to make connections, which is explicitly stated as to be superb.
This means Azem was probably closer to the Eorzean mortals than the other Amaurotines were and perhaps that's why he was special. It's entirely possible he was the only person in all of Amaurot that understood the lesson that Venat had to force the entire species into understanding.
So of the few ancients we're actually introduced to and get to know as characters, they ALL have the ability to make connections the way humans do? Including the ones in Pandaemonium too?
If the Ancients did not find joy in their life why would the Ascians fight so hard to being it back you fricking pseud.
Take the JRPG tropes out of your gay brain for one second and think.
>Even if we all die in the end, our lives had meaning because we suffered and made connections and enjoyed its joys.
The ancients did all of this.
>they didn't suffer
I'm pretty sure they knew more suffering than any mortal after the final days, it was so bad that their memory of that day echoes throughout history to this day.
There wasn't really an Amaurot "after the final days", Venat did the Sundering midway through it. (Which does conflict which what we were told in ShB but a lot of ShB details were retconned by EW)
>Venat did the Sundering midway through it.
No, she didn't. The cutscene after Elpis was not literal.
The sundering flashback in EW wasn't canonical in the way it was shown, Hythlodaeus didn't sacrifice himself minutes before she sundered the world.
It was a metaphorical scene just like the part where she walked through the darkness past all the mortals.
we don't know the time scale. it could have been hundreds of years between us leaving Elpis and the final days showing up. could have been thousands between zodiark restoring the planet with the second sacrifice and the sundering
>Regardless, the value of life is in the struggle. Even if we all die in the end, our lives had meaning because we suffered and made connections and enjoyed its joys.
If the value in life is in the struggle, it's an odd thing we're discussing video games which are some of the least challenging things in life.
And the Ancients struggled as well. They struggled to return bring back their paradise and they struggled to defeat Meteion.
They didn't struggle for anything and were a utopian society unprepared for any real hardship. Their only response to the situation was to basically stick their heads in the sand.
>utopian
The raid series literally proves they werent
They had no fricking idea the actual threat was a crazed bird because a certain someone didn't say shit about it.
Yeah to keep the timeline in check, god such a simple time travel plot point and it flies over everyone's heads. Don't tell people in the past about the future because it could irreparably harm the timeline.
Ffxiv is a fixed timeline. The future only exists because of the decisions made by the people in the past. Venat had to choose not to say shit out of her own free will.
Then explain the alternate timeline Graha came from.
When G'raha time traveled he also used Omega's ability to cross dimensions.
We never see how dimensions work. Hell we dont even know if the shards have a full complete other universe. At this point the time travel in this game is flawed with plotholes and with a band aid of "its magic b***h. I wont explain it"
Omega does not give a singlenflying frick about the rules.
Also that timeline is still going. Hopenyou're ready for XIV Abyssea
Already proven not to work that way with the crystal exarch's time travel
My specific examples of Ancient struggle are the Zodiark's faction's effort to bring back their utopia and the Hydaelyn's faction's effort to defeat Meteion. Those are clearly actions that involved a lot of struggle.
But alright, let's discuss their struggle before their Final Days. They struggled with getting the right name for their creations. They struggled with a hierarchical social structure with bosses and underlings. They had a government with responsibilities and duties. They had to be on time and they had roles. One group of Ancients had a lot of trouble creating the Behemoth. We had to help them out with that if you did the side quests. It was quite a struggle.
there's literally an entire cutscene dedicated to this. It's one of the most popular cutscenes even
>my friend
We understood each other's motives, we are definitely not friends
NO!!!! DON'T POINT OUT FLAWS IN THE WRITING! FFXIV IS PERFECT PERFECT PERFECT PREFECT PERFECT!!!
Y-YOU'RE JUST A CUTSCENE SKIPPER!!! CUTSCENE SKIPPER!!!! AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH
not OP, but I think every game has flaws including XIV. Still the best story I've ever played in a video game. Cope, seethe, etc...
We're calling you a cutscene skipper because we're giving you credit. The alternative is that you're such a mouth breathing moron that you failed to grasp the basics of the themes in the story despite NOT skipping the scenes.
We're giving you the courtesy of calling you lazy to not have to call you stupid.
And the story is not perfect. But these critiscisms being raised in the OP are not valid
>We
lurk 12000 years before posting again, Black personhomosexual.
Been here for longer than you have, election tourist.
>cancer killing this website calling anyone else a tourist
The entirety of american continent should have been range banned a long time ago.
It's funny how fake oldgays get triggered when you point out you've been here for longer than them. It's almost like they can't fanthom someone not being part of their hivemind and thus it MUST be newbie cancer.
Fricking cope.
>muh hivemind
And now you've dispelled all doubts that you haven't been here for longer than a year.
Especially that acting like you are speaking for anyone other than your own autistic ass outed you in the first place.
You will never belong.
You will always be a homosexual.
Now cry about it and lurk.
Won't actually solve the newbie problem because rest of the planet still exists and has access to phones.
Crucifying everyone who joined after the phoneposter wave is the only way forward.
>cutscene skipper
I'm skipping since Stormblood and just play for the gameplay.
>I'm skipping since Stormblood
Good choice.
>Skipping Shadowbringers
Your loss.
>Skipping Endwalker between the moon, Garlemald(ing), and Ultima Thule
NGMI
Cringe af we know
die final fantasy 14 homosexual
Okay but I still want Venat to sitbon my face.
>The Ancients are heavily Greek inspired
>Ancient Greeks commonly practiced Pedastry on their personal pupils.
>Azem/the WoL was Venat’s pupil.
Wish granted, probably.
homie imagine speed reading through XIV and then pretend you know how the story goes through a pasta that only shows how bad your reading comprehension is
This guy looks like a stoner exBF of mine and every time he gets posted I get reminded of how depressingly worthless he was. I don't know a single thing about XIV so I assume that NPC is the same useless lump my ex is.
>This chick looks like a stoner exGF of mine and every time she gets posted I get reminded of how depressingly worthless she was. I don't know a single thing about Bayonetta so I assume that NPC is the same useless lump my ex is.
>This anonymouse poster looks like a stoner ex non-binary sexual partner of mine and every time they gets posted I get reminded of how depressingly worthless they were . I don't know a single thing about LGBT so I assume that NPC is the same useless lump my ex is.
All of this is information he would not know. This isn't comparable to the Luke meme.
>because a bunch of weak humans who die after 80 years were better equipped to deal with the threat than immortal gods who could create whatever they wanted at will
Correct, cutscene skipper
Venatroonies still coping because her plan made no sense and even in the end only worked out because the WoL was repeatedly rejoined and had Azem's crystal, which happened against her will.
you just summoned angry cuckdalyn Black folk screaming “cutscene skip!!!!”
her plan only worked because Zenos is an unspeakable autist who travelled to the end of the universe as a dragon so he could have a kickass fight with you
Venat knew he was gonna do that, she's just that much of a genius planner.
Pic heavily related.
WoL could have Azem'd Midgardsormr and accomplished the same thing.
Even if she did tell them Ancient politics would have fricked up everything anyways. One of the quests in Amaurot shows that even while the Final Days were fricking happening Amaurotines weren't taking it seriously until it literally landed on their doorstep.
Venat saying some bird on the edge of the universe is doing bad things would be met with shrugs and laughter.
And the shitposters ignores this because you are 100% right.
There are two issues here: The first is that the Ancients would be unconvinced of the danger. The next is how would they deal with Meteion if they knew of the danger.
The first part cannot be dealt with after the events of Elpis have taken place. The memories of those involved except Venat and the WoL are wiped and there's no evidence left of what had happened. However, this was due to the events of Elpis happening as they did through our travel through time. Had the WoL not traveled through time and interrupted their timeline, things could've played out differently where the Ancients would've discovered what Hermes did and subsequently recruited both him and Venat into a team to defeat Meteion.
The second is dealing with Meteion. Yes, the Ancients had the means to defeat Meteion. It would've been as simple as Venat using her sundering magic on 25% of the population (which was the number of Ancients left after the Zodiark sacrifices) send those sundered ancients to a sundered world (one instead of 14) and speed of the time in it (since the speed of time in the sundered worlds isn't in sync) and recycle those souls through at least 12,000 or 168,000 years (if you wanna get the equivalent of 14 sundered worlds existing over 12,000 years) and eventually they'd pop out a WoL or two and some scions to send off to attack Meteion.
However, the poster in the image missed something which I often see. Venat, after the events of Elpis, knew her brave little spark had come from the future to her present. If she attempted to avert the 1st Final Days, it could change the timeline. Therefore, it was her duty to maintain the timeline and ensure that her brave little spark would continue to exist and to meet up with them 12,000 years later. That was now her purpose and her way of saving Etheirys from the Song of Oblivion.
>The first part cannot be dealt with after the events of Elpis have taken place.
Yes it can, the final days would still take place but that would obviously prove the WoL's and Venat's claims and then the ancients would have an insane amount of time thanks to Zodiark to formulate a response to Meteion.
Glad we agree on their ability to defeat Meteion though.
In the end what you're saying is true and it goes back to what people have been saying, the issue isn't the ancients, it's Venat withholding information and if your interpretation is correct, intentionally sacrificing her entire race for the sake of the WoL's future.
You can of course pass your own moral judgement on that, but i find sacrificing your entire world and all its people for the sake of a future people to be the most reprehensible, traitorous act imaginable.
You're still lacking a key point that a lot of people keep missing: The Time Travel. Had the WoL teamed up with Venat to save Ancient society, there's the possibility that the WoL's timeline is erased. If erased, so too goes the WoL, not to mention all their friends. And if the WoL gets erased, then the WoL doesn't go back in time to Elpis and help Venat save the Ancients.
There's the other possibility that the WoL doesn't disappear because their present, Venat's future, continues like G'raha's doomed timeline. Then we'd get a third timeline with the WoL and Venat saving the Ancients. This wouldn't make much sense for the WoL to do since their loyalty is to their friends in their present rather than Venat's present. But it's a lot easier to see how the Ancients fix the Metieon problem if the WoL simply isn't there. Of course, if they did fix the Meteion problem all by themselves before the 1st Final Days the entire timeline from the Final Days until the WoL's present, including G'raha's doomed timeline, will have never existed.
However, the point isn't for them to save the Ancients. The point is the Ancients were far more similiar to the Sundered than people like to claim. Yes, Emet makes a great deal of the distance between them, but the arguments made for or against the Ancients in the XIV community have more to do with how deserving the Sundered or Unsundered had to survive Meteion. As far as I'm concerned, the only difference was that one knew the cause of the problem and the other didn't. That's about it.
And I generally agree that Venat would not have been all that successful convincing her people of the threat of Meteion all by herself. And waiting until after the Final Days have started and after they sacrifice half their numbers to create Zodiark...It's not something I've thought about. It does sound compelling.
As far as Venat's actions, she was a deviant. Her allegiance to her people wasn't likely the same as others in her society.
>And waiting until after the Final Days have started and after they sacrifice half their numbers to create Zodiark...It's not something I've thought about. It does sound compelling.
But that's exactly what did happen, and Ancient society collectively told her to frick off. The majority of the Ancients didn't want to do anything but sit in their bubble and cope and seethe and pretend like like everything was fine while they fed Zodiark more souls and slid into decadence.
Not to mention several other societies as advanced as the Ancients in their own ways ate shit and imploded, and that's without an actively malignant demigoddess squatting at the edge of reality blasting them with Bad Vibe Rays.
That's missing the point. If Venat had told them that the way to stop the Final Days was to kill Meteion and not just correct the aetheric balance of the world via Zodiark, that might be something they listen to. But, again, haven't thought about it much. I'd have to spend some time imagining how it would play out to see if it would work.
That's just it, even if she did tell them beforehand they didn't have the time to put together a proper response, and it could even jeopardize Zodiark's creation depending on if Hermes realized what had happened
That's true. Though I've spent too much time in this thread and need to get some things done. It's nice to know XIV threads can still have deep lore discussions 9 months on, because that 2.5 year long wait for 7.0 is gonna feel real long.
except for, you know, those ancients who didn't know shit about frick about some evil bird or the ancients that helped her form Hydaelyn
Guess they can all get fricked.
>There are two issues here: The first is that the Ancients would be unconvinced of the danger.
Next time you try your schizo babble, drop this point. Anyone who paid attention to the story will immediately drop the post here and thus it won't actually bait anyone.
will there be a fantasia sale soon? I don't want to be a bunny anymore
It makes sense that Gankerirgins are leading a crusade against Venat, this board in particular has a seething hatred of anything remotely female, either real or fictional.
>all this Emet vs Venat
>when really its all Hermes fault for being an unspeakable moron
he's autistic, it's in his nature
>character is depressed, which slowly fills him with a nihlistic desire to just have the world fricking end already
I thought he'd be Ganker's favorite character. Too close to home, maybe?
>which slowly fills him with a nihlistic desire to just have the world fricking end already
That was Amon, not Hermes. Hermes wanted mankind to triumph.
...or perish trying to triumph, which is just fricking moronic.
He wanted mankind to show him that everything is not as bad as he thought.
The real villain was the Ancients' society and its lackadaisical attitude towards the concept of death (which would have led them to the same fate as the Ra-La cultists eventually).
Would you rather them go the way of the Global Citizens?
Yes
God I wish Venat would dropkick my dick so hard it got sundered, if you know what I mean.
>r/AscianMasculinity is still seething about mommy
Made me laugh. In a thread full of people STILL seething that CrystalMommy wasn’t evil, it’s good to see there’s some funny posts still
>hey morons life is suffering but also nice things happen can you accept this so you can save yourselves from imminent doom?
>AIIIIEEEEEEE ZODIARK-SAMA HELP MEEEE
>ok now you will suffer because I fricking said so you morons
>hey morons life is suffering but also nice things happen can you accept this so you can save yourselves from imminent doom?
If this was the intended theme of the story then it was very poorly executed because the ancients did in fact not have to be turned into moronic mortals to survive, Venat destroyed her entire race over the equivalent of fortune cookie wisdom.
You know without zodiark everyone would just die, right? They were trying to figure out shit but the moronic b***h just went
>hummm no i think i'll frick everyone up
And straight commit genocide
Venat is mommy, and it all worked out in the end because the WoL is her based little spark. Stop posting on Ganker and get back to grinding those irregular tombstones.
If someone that you know is from the future told you that something really bad is going to happen in a few years because some moron in the government did something he can't remember are you going to tell the government and hope they listen or go to ground and follow the plan the future-man tells you that you do?
>1 dude do something stupid
>out of the other most brilliant 14 people in the world
Venat defenders really have single digit IQ
I feel like you have a misconception about the Convocation. They weren't a group of super-geniuses, they were just experts in particular fields.
Hell one of the seats was about overseeing fungus and mold as I recall.
Furthermore Emet was only as strong as he was because his fieldbofnexpertise waa fricking aether itself.
>Furthermore Emet was only as strong as he was because his fieldbofnexpertise waa fricking aether itself.
Wasn't Emet "the architect"? I don't think his seat had anything to do with being a powerful mage, i mean the same seat was offered to Hythlo and he's an abysmal aether wielder.
Depends. Do you want to alter the future and potentially erase your brave little spark from the timeline about a threat that you have no evidence for and no one will corroborate since every other witness had their memory erased?
Well it depends on how convincing what they say is, and who says it.
Venat was one of the most respected people in the world and she was accompanied by a being that claims to be from the future and undeniably carries shards of Azem's soul in them.
Of course they might not immediately believe them anyway, but then the final days will come, Zodiark be summoned (exactly as Venat and the time traveler said) and from then on it would just be silly to keep denying that they were right, so the ancients would, at the very latest, get to researching dynamis and methods of stopping Meteion by that point.
>and undeniably carries shards of Azem's soul in them
That isn't what tips off that WoL is from the future, even Hythlo and Emet wrote that off as just meaning that Azem (or someone with a similar soul) probably created WoL as a familiar.
The Traveler's Ward is the only thing that tips Venat off to WoL being from the future.
True, i just bring it up because if we assume that the WoL stayed in the past a little longer to help Venat convince her people, the Azem misunderstanding would be cleared up and it would further bolster the WoL's claim.
She fixed him.
I genuinely cannotbtake any fanart of Emet that jsn't him being a wienery prick seriously. Especially porn.
He just looks wrong in it.
>NOOO YOU CANNOT JUST WRITE THE STORY TO GO DOWN A DIRECTION I DID NOT WANT IT TO GO
>WHAT? YOU CLOSED OFF ALL THE PLOT LINES I WANTED? HOW DARE YOU??!!!
All stories are contrived, you are not smart for pointing this out
Its easy to close stories when you retcon or time travel everythimg to explain it poorly
And it was a good way to close the story considering for the longest time expansions have been contained stories.
So they came up with some retcon to tie them all together inside only one expansion.
After all, Shadowbringers already finished off the Ascians
They've been doing that since FF1.
Ff1 was well done
The game says they would had not believed Venat. So that means, they would had not believed Venat.
>but but but
Cope with it
>The game says they would had not believed Venat
Where?
When Hermes and Hades lose their memories and Venat tells you so.
Now are you going to reply that this is not valid because Venat says it?
Then you just refuse to take the story for its face value.
>NOOOOOOOOOO YOU CANT JUST SAVE THE SOULS OF OUR SHELTERED PUSSY ASS PEOPLE WHO COMIITTED SUICIDE IN MASSES ONCE THEY FACED A PROBLEM FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THEIR PATHETIC LIVES BY SPLITTING THEM TAKING AWAY EASY MODE SO THEY HARDEN BY GOING THROUGH MORTALITY AND SUFFERING
Emet lost chuds, Hermes won Venat won
Everyone would be dead if not for Zodiark
You could probably sunder modern Aetherians into even smaller pieces and make life harder for them to the point where their previous lives seemed like easy mode. Would that be a good thing to do?
Thats cool and all.
But Venat took Kaiten from us, and thats a crime I cannot forgive
I love these "The villains are always right! Why do we stop them from doing evil things!? The good guys are really the bad guys because I love evil and suffering!" threads.
The real villains are the devs reworking DRG when it is perfectly fine.
Yeah it's pretty fricked up how people try to justify what Venat did, i agree.
>you only think venat was right because she has boobies! frick what the game itself says, my headcanon is facts!
>writter fails at trying to justify a shit plan
>h-hey at least she tried
No, frick off.
No you're misinterpreting what people's criticism is.
Venat's plan obviously worked out in the end, but that doesn't make anything she did less moronic, it's just that this is a bad story that bent over backwards to justify her actions and make everything work out, it's basically
.
Venat's shit plan had nothing to do with the success of said plan. We (60% Ancient) did all the fricking heavy lifting. Fricking Zodiark helped us out more. I called her Hydaelyn during the trial to remind her she ain't shit.
I mean, if Venat didn't sunder the world and turn it into a giant recycling center for souls to be used to create the ultimate anti-meteion weapon that she'd send out to clip that birdo's wings, I dunno how we would've won.
Ancients can create living this that can use dynamis
They sure can. Hermes and Venat proved that.
Why are you repeating it?
Because you did.
>I dunno how we would've won.
Because you said that. Stupid dumb Black person
Things as they were, that was our only course of action.
Do you realize thats what villians say, right?
What would the other course of action be?
I dont know man but venat sounds like a villian saying stuff like that
Well, once we come up with an alternative, we can discuss its effectiveness. Venat being a villain is fine if we oppose her choices and values. But if there isn't an alternative, it's hard to oppose the only choice.
venat was right because she has boobies!
Yes. Love momma.
Literally no one is saying that and never are. Venatgays just like to scream about "hermes/hemet werent right" when they're against the wall. Like a good villian they have their reason that we can comprehend and in their shoes they're not the villians or dont search for selfish motives BUT we're the heroes of the story and we need to protect what we care for. Venat was just frickin moronic and her reasons are just flawed that you cant really care about her for being so poorly written.
>What point is there in living when you've fulfilled your purpose in life?
Camus never made a good argument for imagining sysiphus happy rather than suicide so this isn't the point you think it is.
Then have a nice day
You think I am going to argue with a nihilist instead of waiting them for to suicide?
I enjoy living so I won't. What I'm saying is that Camus never made a good argument for why life should be universally preferred. He was just projecting his own preferences if anything.
If you enjoy living, then you will agree with Camus, like it or not
You ignored what I said in my post I see.
Because it did not matter. Preferring to live is such a naturally intuitive right answer to the question of "suicide or not" that you do not NEED to rationalize it.
Sisyphus must be happy because we are happy.
Then why do people commit suicide? Clearly they don't share the same intuition.
Driven to suicide, which is not to same as voluntary suicide.
What's the difference between a voluntary suicide and being "driven to suicide". Obviously there are people who live good lives (in the conventional sense) and still kill themselves, so what then? In what circumstance could someone voluntarily commit suicide? Or hell, "voluntarily" do anything? Everyone acts within their circumstances, there's no such thing as a decision in a vacuum.
You can prove me wrong right now by voluntarily suiciding to prove that people can just do it out of whim.
>you can prove to me that voluntary murder is real by going out and murdering someone right now
???
Yes
You can EXPRESS FREE WILL
RIGHT NOW
if you wanted
I can also voluntarily call you a moron. Just because I don't commit an action doesn't mean it's not possible to commit that action freely. Why are you being stupid on purpose.
Now you are making a classical cope
You are actually unable to voluntarily suicide
Please elaborate instead of repeating yourself. If a "voluntary" suicide is a literally impossible action, what are some actions you can do voluntarily?
Posting coping rationalizations online on a taiwanese bulletin board
????????
It's not enough that the nihilist wants to kill himself, it's that he wants you to have a nice day with him so he feels justified in his beliefs.
gotta hand it to the emetgay. he's done this exact same bait 5 times in the last day and he keeps getting bites
because this isn't bait, this is leakage from /xivg/.
/xivg/ doesn't talk about FFXIV.
Neither does this thread
This thread is very much talking about FFXIV.
So is /xivg/ then, because there is no difference
/xivg/ mostly talk about themselves, using their XIV avatars as a way to identify themselves. That's about it.
Then they are talking about xiv. Because there is no difference than what is going on with the loregayging here. Neither are playing the game.
No, they're talking about themselves. Who their friends are, who likes them or doesn't like them. This thread is discussing the story. That's pretty game related.
>Who their friends are, who likes them or doesn't like them
Yes, in-game. And organizing clubs and rp and whatever the frick they do in /xivg/.
The story is barely the game and most morons here are just discussing what-ifs and shitflinging who read the story better.
And again, neither is playing it.
The content of their discussions almost entirely revolves around their personalities rather than the game itself. You could swap their discourse with another game and it would be very much the same. The story in XIV is one of the core elements of the game. It's silly to say it's not.
>revolves around their personalities rather than the game itself.
Its exactly what is going on here. People spouting their fanfics. No difference than posing their modded OCs
I don't think discussing the lore is posting fanfics and if people were posting fanfics, it would depend on the content of the fanfics how closely related to the game they were. Could point out the fanfics that you find non-XIV related in this thread?
>Could point out the fanfics that you find non-XIV related in this thread?
Can you point out the non-xiv related content in /xivg/?
I'm guessing you can't do the same for me.
There's also this:
>neither is playing it
congratulations friend
you have discovered that typing on a forum is different from pressing buttons to do combos
and when you say "barely the game" you are just wrong
it's the vast majority of it, and to do any of the endgame content you have to play through it (even if you buy a skip, as it doesn't include the latest expansion)
stop being moronic anytime
VNs aren't games.
why's there a /vn/ general on the video games general board then
checkmate, you jive turkey
Then this thread should frick off back there.
you can talk about vns on Ganker
This is less than a VN, because at least in VNs you have some form of agency in the story. Here, you are on a treadmill with no options.
And this is already a general.
>because at least in VNs you have some form of agency in the story
you have not played a single VN in your entire life
>nooooo you just didnt played VNs
Literally ANY Telltale game is a better VN than this is, you're just a delusional cultist.
by your decree, every mario thread should be in the mario general, every fallout thread should be in the fallout one, and everything big should be there while this board turns into a simmering cesspool of whatever little indie title swam out of the asscrack of steam this week until their threads become too popular so they're forced over onto /vg/
that is to say
what you're saying is fricking stupid
also yeah vns are games lole
Why dod people think the Ancients would believe Venat?
She was the former state-sponsored murderhobo. Her introduction is literally her falling out of the sky like a meteor to KO a shark.
Her protege went and fought a fricking volcano because he liked the local grapes.
Azem is basically the designated tard position on the Convocation.
Because she was respected by even emet itself? He was like the most skilfull and respected person in the whole world
Emet was one of her personal friends, she's still a murderhobo. Just look at WoL and Estinien's initial reception at Sharlayan even though they're close friends with Alphinaud.
You asked why ancients would believe HER and you start talking about wol. Are you really this stupid? Also you already answered yourself. Wich was "yes, emet wouldve believed her"
Anon are you genuinely too stupid to see the comparison?
Stupid dumb niggee. Alphinaud was banished and not even his father wanted to have anything with him or help him in any way is not the same (ofc it was for his safety) but the situation is not remotely the same.
>All those H*daelyn apologists
Day of the rope soon
she won though
Who's gonna tie those ropes, anon?
Started playing the game again recently, forgot how nice doing quests were. As a huge questing gay in WoW who used to read every quest text I got with the slow writing text I really do fall in love with this games quests.
>She then became Hydaelyn and sundered the world because a bunch of weak humans who die after 80 years were better equipped to deal with the threat than immortal gods who could create whatever they wanted at will.
Bro like it's like just like my heckin Avengers and she knew it was the only way they could win!
My wife Venat (forma de Azem) is very cute
reminder that (You) didn't end the Final Days
reminder that (You) aren't mommies brave little star
reminder that (You) aren't her chosen
reminder that HE is the one true Warrior of Light!
Alphinaud if real
Alisae is a cute, would marry.
This is what happens when you let w*men write fiction.
I like how everyone completely forgets this is the same fricking theme as the Coils of Bahamut
>"why do we live if life is suffering?"
There's a fricking reason her song is called "your answer"
Is Meteion an asspull? Yeah, as much as suddenly the evil emperor that just died being an ascian all along and the empire being just dead ass made to spread despair, which was the patch before shadowbringers. But it follows the same theme the story is about ever since 2.0, regardless of face value
Dont bother replying to me, you're subhuman if you disagree.
The nihilism shit is getting real fricking old. At least in ShB turning the mystery homies from a bunch of evil cultists and the worst part of the story to a group with a genuine cause worth fighting for was interesting
The nihilism is mostly used as a lead for what the game is asking, anon. The entire expansion is practically like a curtain call of the story and the people playing it. You're actually, literally asked, almost like a fourth wall breaking moment, "Your time on these lands. Was it worth it?", literally just fricking saying "bro you played this ten years??? Lmao"
People that think Venat are evil just completely and willfully ignore every story beat and theme in the entire game to instead focus on what is basically DBZ-tier power level wankery, claiming the Ancients could have won when we are explicitly told they could not. The only reasoning for why they would have, despite this, is because an Ancient is supposedly stronger than a Sundered person, when that's not even necessarily true.
>Thy Life is a riddle, to bear rapture and sorrow
>To listen, to suffer, to entrust unto tomorrow
Yup.
I hate to pull political boogeymans into the conversation, but I said it in the thread and I really think I am on to something: Ganker's take on Venat and the Ancients does read like a bunch of assblasted /misc/tards mad that the game does not condone their worldview based around superior perfect races. They seem unable to grasp the fact that the Ancients were a deeply flawed society even if - and frankly, probably BECAUSE - it was comprised of near-perfect, homogenical beings because in the end a collective of imperfect and diverse beings are superior to the Ubersmench paradise of isolated master race bastards. Which is why we solved the Meteion situation where the Ancients failed to
>Which is why we solved the Meteion situation where the Ancients failed to
...by being 9/14ths of an ancient, having magical permabuffs given to us by an ancient, carrying an ancient's soul crystal, using a spaceship built by an ancient and being literally physically carried by the freak son of an ancient.
Every being in the world is Rejoinings/14th of an Ancient. This does not make us special. We are a distinct entity with it's own characteristics and personalities.
Azem himself would probably not achieve that the WoL did because he too was the product of Ancient society while we are the product of Eorzean society. And Eorzean society is superior in its ability to whitstand a crisis like the End of Days.
>Every being in the world is Rejoinings/14th of an Ancient
No? The Ancients were planning on sacrificing non-Ancients after the Zodiark incident. Those non-Ancients became the races of Hydaelyn after the Sundering
>Azem himself would probably not achieve
How do you know?
As people have pointed out, there are countless feats that were performed by ancients that were NECESSARY for mortals to defeat Meteion, it would have been literally impossible for the sundered to ever even get to her alone, let alone know she exists.
It sounds more like you're projecting your own biases onto the story because the concept of the ancients being an objectively superior race (which they were) makes you uncomfortable.
We were given access to help from Ancients, sure.
Doesn't change the fact the Ancients had these resources and failed. We had a fraction of these resources and succeeded.
Mortalkind is hardier, because imperfect diversity is superior to perfect homogenity.
>Doesn't change the fact the Ancients had these resources and failed.
No they didn't, Venat denied them critical knowlegde and genocided all of them before they even had a chance to save themselves.
Even if they had known about Meteion they would have failed. Many would have started dooming like Hermes and even if they got to UT they wouldn’t have been able to progress due to their inability to harness dynamis.
>Even if they had known about Meteion they would have failed.
You really have no way of knowing this.
See
, your argument makes no sense and it certainly doesn't justify a genocide before even trying.
>You really have no way of knowing this
Emet says so.
Emet literally says they wouldn’t have made it when you rez him at UT
We also didn't have the critical information. We forged a way to get it. They didn't.
And everything we see in Elpis and the end of days flash acks point to Amaurotines folding in half under that hardship. You really think Venat should have risked a time paradox and ruining the chance mortals had in the future to give a bunch of doomed idiots the chance?
You also seem to forget: both the WoL and Venat couldn't mess much with future events. Elidibus warns us of this, and we promptly ignore and te Emet and Venat anyways. Things ended up workding out with the mind reset which kinda points to me that timeline in XIV is self-correcting and it would literally be impossible to do anything anyways.
So they fricking failed because they couldn't overcome something,. We overcame every single thing that came our way.
With all the knowledge. The ancient literally after being cucked by venat helped us travelimg back to find the source of the problem and venat literally gave us the location. The ancients had no help at all.
Well, this assumes she didn’t break at some point and try to warn them. The Pandaemonium raids suggests she broke down and told us even. The problem is that even as much as Emet Selch likes you (Azem), remember that even until Kairos activated he still was skeptical of your story (as the WoL) when it was staring him in the face. Now try to imagine him being told this story when no evidence remained besides Meteion who had probably already reached a point where stopping her would have called for a crapload of strong Ancients, more than even those needed for Hydaelyn.
So, in a way the biggest issue is that the ones who avoided the memory wipe were the wrong people to actually prevent shit. Imagine if Venat had just used her power to hurl Emet and Hythlo out of Kairos’ range but she was still operating purely on reflex and reaction than logic which anyone would do.
>The Pandaemonium raids suggests she broke down and told us even.
Pandaemonium seems to take place before your MSQ trip to Elpis because Themis is not yet Elidibus. But we know he was Elidibus during the MSQ visit because Hythlo mentions the grape story.
>Ancients go to the end of creation to stop Meteion
>They get either immediately convinced to seppuku or die to lack of air/aether.
>No dynamis to stop the frick huge meteor or aether to make a shield
do you honestly see Emet an heroing because a bird said so?
The man literally stood up 1000 years of suffering just to get his world back. If he saw another world like his, the thing he loves most, ended up failing, he'd Def would.
>sucks to be them, I guess
They could create beings that interact with dynamis, they could lower their own aetherical density or they could just, you know make space suits.
>no aether
Except aether demonstrably did work as we had access to all of our abilities for the entire of Ultima Thule and as previously mentioned, there's no reason to believe they couldn't have figured something out given time and their capabilities.
This is also, again, something Venat didn't even know about when killing the ancients, her reason for doing so was largely philosophical.
The only one who could was the depresso boy, who deleted his own memory and called it a failure. You're way too pertinent to think the ancients would have the answers to everything, when they have been said to be extremely non-interventionists. They were fine with letting a volcano explode and destroy an island simply because that's how the world worked, especially when they believed the song came from below the earth, rather than from the end of the universe.
This would also mean that the moment they escape the aether bubble made by Zodiark they immediately turn into abominations, and the creatures of dynamis they'd make would kill themselves, using your own points.
I dunno what grudge you have saying Venat killed all ancients; everyone is a fragment of an ancient, anon.
To add to
, we also only knew where Meteion was because an ancient put a tracker on her, which happened because an ancient helped us to timetravel to the past, using a magic tower built by an empire that was created by an ancient.
The reality is that ancients hard carried this shit.
>Which is why we solved the Meteion situation where the Ancients failed to
We solved the Meteion situation because when the Final Days hit us, we searched for the cause. Our search lead the WoL to Elpis, where we discovered Meteion was the cause of the Final Days. That is the only difference between the Sundered and the Unsundered as far as our approach to the Final Days is concerned. Had the Sundered not discovered the reason for the the Final Days, they would've fared worse than the Ancients did.
Additionally, the Sundered are a product of Ancient creation magic. We were produced by Venat from other Ancients, with the specific purpose to defeat Meteion, another Ancient creation. Which is to say, the Ancients had all the means to defeat Meteion on their own, they were just unaware it was Meteion and her dynamis attack that was killing their world. They lacked that key piece of information and not because they were too nazi. It was because we, the Warrior of Light, went back in time and altered their timeline to create ours. Without our involvement in the events on Elpis, the Ancients may have discovered the truth of Meteion themselves.
This is why Elpis should have just been an Echo vision.
I had fun fighting Venat using Noctis' Armiger.
The ancients probably wouldn't kill themselves if they didn't know that reincarnation was a part of life so the idea that they didn't value life is moronic.
its still death
loss of memories is death
rip to all my amnesia homies out there
fr my grandfather had alzheimers
it really is death, worse than death
WoL is like Azem in many ways, but is not Azem. Amon was like Hermes in many ways, but was not Hermes. You don't just get popped into a new body when you reincarnate. Your previous self is dead and your soul is used as a battery for a completely new person, with some traits carrying over.
Which they saw as a natural part of life, which it was.
Yes. Venat commit genocide.
Emet is a nerd, therefore he is wrong.
Just got back into XIV for the first time since January. Am still on 5.5
Man, this just reminds me I need to play through Kinowalker AGAIN. Best expansion of all time.
>wow it's the same shit as every other JRPG
i think shadowbringers was probably better as a standalone package but endwalker tying everything together was really really cool
true enough, but at the same time you can consider the fight to be skewed anyway just due to how strong emet was
dude was literally the strongest mage out of a race of extremely strong mages, and it wasn't even close
is it enough to make eight v one (plus reskinned energy orbs) fair? prolly not, but the fight should show that we would reasonably be stronger than an average ancient of a higher caliber, and the fact we go on to beat elidibus when it's an eight (plus funny snap man save) v one (plus all of us) cements that fact, i think
Why didn't Arthas just move to Tiragarde Sound and make the Sound into a huge ice rink to smoke blunts and play hockey on
>People still appealing to authority fallacy with the author as if authors dont make mistakes in their writing
It's pretty astonishing how a fricking Pokemon game had a better perspective on this issue than XIV.
If i knew i lived in future that has fallen as far as the one in XIV did, i would give everything to change that future, if it meant losing my own life and those of everyone i know.
>>If i knew i lived in future that has fallen as far as the one in XIV did, i would give everything to change that future
Very fricking based. Imagine not using your future knowledge to the fulllest to avert the horrible future you know will happen.
>venat was ev-
headcanon
>make a dynamis being that can resist desp-
headcanon
>emet did nothi-
headcanon
you're worse than that guy who wants to put his OC in charge of garlemald
Always fun to see people that don't read books telling other people to read books. Follow your own advice morons.
Speaking of boobies, someone start posting all of those screenshots of Venat in skimpy dresses.
>leveling ninja
>tfw unlocked Jin
how the frick do I play this job
Once you get all the mudras, you spend like 20-30 minutes memorizing the mudras that you are actually going to use: raiton, suiton, huton, and occasionally katon.
Then you go into instances and clip all your button presses and bunny yourself like an idiot
The biggest issue I have with EW's story is that Hermes' anger and the whole flower bit in Elpis is supposed to illustrate that no one in the Ancient society feels any emotions, but between Venat, Hermes, and the rest of "Hydaelyn's cultists" who made it possible for Venat to become Hydaelyn, there seems to be quite a few Ancients who feel emotions just fine, which makes the entire conflict feel contrived as frick. There were also some random Ancients you meet in side quests in Elpis who seem pretty emotional.
I also think they wasted the frick out of Zenos. Despite the last fight being a nice moment, everything else about him in EW fricking sucked. Doubly so because bodyjacking was a great dramatic beat, but then nothing happened and it was never brought up again. Don't mind his role in the story, where his hedonistic fight autism is a valid answer when defining one's own purpose in life, but he was sorely underutilized and just fricked off for long stretches of time.
The flower wasn't supposed to show that they had no emotions, it showed that they were all constantly happy and blissful.
No, because white is the basic color. Happiness shows as other colors. I think joy showed up as orange, if I'm remembering right.
The flower turned other colors when you're carrying it around during your adventures. Joy had a color.
>I also think they wasted the frick out of Zenos.
He should've stayed dead. That was my main problem. I didn't mind him in SB, but he wore out his welcome over the course of two expansions.
The biggest wasted part of Zenos was all of his parallels to Venat. It all amounted to nothing.
Azem caused the final days. He had a vision of his sundered self and realized that he could have a never-ending adventure.
>Mankind’s first hero
>And it’s first villain
>You really are a parallel to Zenos.
Huh, now I’m getting the weird idea of it turning out Zenos is actually another fragment of the WoL Emet pulled from another world and crammed into his daughter in law’s womb?
>implying Japshit could ever be as based as Planescape: Torment
We truly were the Warrior of Darkness all along
>You truly are Final Fantasy XIV: Shadowbringer
Bravo, Fujo.
last tier of Pandemonium will kick off The Final Days
monstrosity of modern "critique" -- it does not matter what the prostitute who wrote this wanted or believed. This "context" is not context, it is an excuse (in all forms) for poor workz. The medium remains as it is, to judge in this other way is to judge marketing -- and even then, u judge this wrong, as such a thing, is rly only judged in 1 way: Sales. But then some...~ I will CEASE for knowledge of DENSITY
Why do samegays melt down like this when called out?
>samegay is posting twice under a minute!!
This is the kind of detail oriented person that thinks Venat was wrong
If you're going to b***h about samegays, at least vary up your own writing style. You never capitalize "I" and you always try to build up your own IQ without any substance to back it up. Really easy to tell which posts are yours, insecurity-kun.
You're losing it dude, i suggest taking a deep breath before continuing to wrote more replies to your own posts.
>continuing to wrote
it's over
Actual schizophrenia
Every single FFXIV thread on Ganker is people having the same copy-pasted arguments about Venat. If the chick bothers you so much then post and talk about the boys of XIV.
>tfw 7.0 comes out and the entire party is just dudes
>you can dress them however you want
>you won't be able to have a harem of cute men roaming your island
Frick you Yoshi-P. You had one job and you fricked it up!
I feel your pain, my friend. I truly do.
Hopefully, enough people complain that the island thing gets a revamp and at the very least allows your retainers to walk around the island instead of stupid minions.
I’m straight. But this pic makes my wiener hard. No homo.
catboys have that affect
very hopefully
Why male characters are top tier writting in this game while the female ones are just turbo shit?
>6.1 quests started with hanging out with estinien
>one of the dialogue options suggests bringing along urianger and thancred
>get rejected
>urianger comes along anyway
>thancred shows up too
>but says no
damn, almost had the full boys squad again
2/3 ain't bad i suppose
So what the frick happened to Hermes/Amon at the very end? Did Asahi drag him into his rape dungeon for eternal torture or is he just dead?
>Did Asahi drag him into his rape dungeon for eternal torture
Yes. Doomed to an eternity of listening to Asahi as he reads the fanfiction that he wrote about himself and Zenos.
I hate fujos.
Who the frick asked?
How nice of Asahi to let Hermes listen to an excellent novella written by Asahi himself. He must be twitching with delight.
I assumed it was a dramatic way of showing his soul being taken out of the whole reincarnation loop aka turbo dying
He forced his soul to be cleansed in the aetherial sea instead of hanging around as a ghost
Me samegayging from my phone and PC because someone said i'm samegayging.
venat
endwalker is to shadowbringer what matrix reloaded and revolution is to the matrix, as in sequels for both completely ruins it. I actually and non-shitposting uninstalled 14 the moment I finished the last quest, and It soured the entire shadowbringer memories I have as well. Death to yoshi and that dumb fricking c**t
Shadowbrinfers was 90% fricking filler and the best parts were the carry-overs from Stormblood with Werlyt and the Telophoroi build up.
I firmly believe the enjoyment of shadowbringers rests heavily upon having played or being able to enjoy FF3
why? Theme is completely different, meaning of the thing is completely different.
What do you expect, in the entire history of storytelling there hasn't been one great female writer.
Shadowbringers was mostly shit too and Endwalker pretty much cemented the Amaurot parts as a fluke.
Look at the actual meltdown you're having over being accused of samegayging and tell me that doesn't confirm it.
There's clearly two anons disagreeing with you, let the troon have his melty and quit replying
Yeah sorry i was just having fun poking him with a stick.
Who cares? i just jerk off to my catgirl's ass
i also jerk off to anon's cat-girl's ass, i enjoy this, i i i
Finally someone gets it.
This shit story is more bullshit than Kingdom Hearts and that has Donald Fricking Duck
It would be out of character for the Convocation to fail to come up with a solution once they had the information Venat withheld.
Had she told them, I assume the timeline would shit its pants and explode
We don't even know what happens if we violate causality in the real universe so how can a writer even begin to think what would happen if it were to occur
Venat's actions were the only actions she could have taken because the WoL's time travel locked it in, all other possibilities can't happen anymore
>It would be out of character for the Convocation to fail to come up with a solution once they had the information Venat withheld.
Not really. They knew about the Final Days well before it hit Amaurot but they were locked in debate so long that it finally came to them and they were completely unprepared.
they were unprepared because they had no idea what was causing the Final Days to begin with
If they knew about Meteion and her location there is no believable reason for them to fail
Sxcept the fact that she's on the edge of the fricking universe, and the one guy who knows how dynamis works at all was barely able to use it and was the cause of the situation in the first place, and the rampant political debating even about things that are already plain and obvious?
are you telling me they can't conjure up a spaceship and a hitman capable of using Dynamis with all of their combined efforts?
Fricking yes anon, what part of 'Nobody knows how to fricking use Dynamis properly' do you not understand?
Hermes clearly knew how to make a being that could handle it on a universal scale and that was just something he did for funsies, if the ancients were made aware of the existence of dynamis and spent the trizillion years that Zodiark would buy them researching it, they would obviously find more ways to interact with it, or create elaborate creations that interact with it.
Also, as people have pointed out, they could literally have sundered some of themselves and would be able to interact with dynamis, as the WoL is more than half of an ancient and can still utilize it.
I see two big assumptions here:
1) that Zodiark is buying them a lot of time
2) That being sundered is what causes people to be able to interact with Dynamis.
Especially on the second one, I feel it's much more being born into a world of struggle leading to forging of stronger connections than mere aetherical density percentages.
>Hermes clearly knew how to make a being that could handle it on a universal scale
Anon the entire point is that HE SPECIFICALLY MADE SOMETHING THAT HE DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO USE PROPERLY AND IT BACKFIRED.
God fricking damnit, no, ancients couldn't fricking use Dynamis properly, the literal BIGGEST thing any ancient ever made with it was a flock of birds with Dynamis batteries strapped to their brains, and he was the ONLY one who put in any kind kf studying towards Dynamis.
It was such a fringe thing that even Emet Selch, the guy whose entire job it is to know this stuff, wasn't informed about it, since it mattered so little.
>Also, as people have pointed out, they could literally have sundered some of themselves and would be able to interact with dynamis
They wouldn't have. At least not in time. The sacrifice to summon Zodiark was a desperate last ditch effort, as was the second sacrifice. By the third most of the Ancients were so enthralled with just forgetting the entire thing happened and having Zodiark hit the rewind button rather than move on.
Why the frick do people think that they can magically make up some instance where everything perfectly fits to let the ancients conjure up a solution straight out of their asses when EMET FRICKING SELCH says they wouldn't have been able to.
The Ancients could already interact with dynamis, that's proven by Meteion and the flowers reacting to Hermes. Magic even in the Ancient world was powered by emotions, meaning it's shaped by dynamis.
>but dynamis and aether don't mix!
They don't mix, but they do interact. Dynamis is the mechanism by which emotion shapes aether. The Sharlayans believed it was an innate quality of aether that reacts to emotions, but the reveal of dynamis showed it was a third mechanism acting upon the aether.
>The Ancients could already interact with dynamis, that's proven by Meteion and the flowers reacting to Hermes
Meteion was literally a failure because Hermes didn't know what the frick he was actually doing anon. That's THE ENTIRE GOD DAMNED POINT. EMET LITERALLY POINTS THAT OUT TO HIM WHEN METEION STARTS SAYING HER REPORT. THE ENTIRE FRICKING SITUATION HALPENS BECAUSE HERMES VERY SPECIFICALLY DOESN'T KNOW HOW DYNAMIS WORKS.
Yes, he was inexperienced in dealing with it. That doesn't refute my point at all. The Ancients interacted with dynamis without even realizing they were doing it. They COULD interact with dynamis, it's not something you have to be sundered to do. Sundering just made them weak and prone to suffering so they would learn to deal with negativity and find joy in spite of it.
Ankn that's like saying an army of teenagers can put out a raging wildfire with nothing but buckets because one of them once saw a TV show with a fire fighter in it.
Venat invented a race of bunnies that know how to build spaceships, so that part is covered
>there is no believable reason for them to fail
Except for the fact that she wields despair like a weapon and it had already been proven that the Ancients did not know how to handle negative emotions well.
>It would be out of character for the Convocation to fail to come up with a solution once they had the information Venat withheld
Anon the Convocation has been shown to be nothing but jobbers and morons outside of Azem.
Did you forget about Shadowbringers?
Graha literally changed the past and brought about a different future for us, Venat would absolutely have been able to change the future of the ancients.
The question is whether that would cause a split in worldlines or unmake our timeline, but we know for certain that it is possible to change the past.
>Graha literally changed the past and brought about a different future for us
He hoppwd between dimensions, not just back in time. His original timeline still exists.
That's not really relevant, the point is that it would have been able for her to change the past, there was never any law established that locked her actions in.
If i remember correctly, it was stated that she tried not changing the past so that our timelines would converge, but she could have changed things and it would likely have created a timeline where the ancients could live.
graha came from a different although very similar timeline
there is still a timeline where Black Rose happened and the WoL is dead
But why if he could just go to the past
He can't tho. He has to go to another dimension to prevent a loop.
>Venat's plan worked
>unless you were from G'raha's timeline of course where everything went to hell
nice plan prostitute, should've just told strapped Azem to a rocket and had him handle it
That timeline still exists and Middy has woken up there to protect the world.
WoL died but that just means Venat needs to reincarnate him ASAP.
>there is still a timeline where Black Rose happened and the WoL is dead
Does that mean in that timeline that Emet is also able to complete the rejoining?
Theoretically, there's a timeline where Hermes made Meteion and all she found were happy, living worlds.
I wish the remaining shards were representations of these different timelines. Would be cool to be able to see how different timelines played out.
Who's to say we're not gonna be visiting those timelines? And that would be timelines of 14 shards going back to the sundering, but it's possible there were timelines were the sundering created even more shards.
Hopefully yes but the writing could also go the WoW way of "the ascians transcend dimensions"
>nine months later Lavosgays are still seething
All these arguments about whether or not the ancients “could” beat Meteion are irrelevant. The sticking point is that the one guy who understood fricking anything about dynamis (who was instrumental in creating Zodiark!) would immediately turn against the rest of thr ancients the moment he learned what was going on.
If Venat revealed the truth she would have risked Zodiark not being created at all.
>All these arguments about whether or not the ancients “could” beat Meteion are irrelevant.
I'd say it's key, because there was this idea that the Ancients weren't deserving of life and it was right for Venat to sunder them for the sundered and it all rests on the ability of the dynamis-capable sundered to fight off Meteion as the differentiating point. If the Ancients were capable to defeating Metieon on their own, then that idea loses all its potency.
The discourse about the differences between Sundered and Unsundered is exaggerated imo. The sundered are the direct descendants of the Sundered and carry on their souls within them. The remaining Unsundered, if we can call them that, ultimately become our allies in the effort to stop Meteion. While Eden is lost forever, its spirit follows us in our wake. Venat and Emet were both right in their reasoning and were both justified in their actions. Hermes was just a e-girlcon though that liked fricking bird cloaca.
That's a very pertinent second paragraph. I'm pretty certain that through his love of the arts and sciences, Emet realised that humanity, though lacking the raw magical power of their forebears, were every bit their creative equals, at least potentially.
The discussion is irrelevant not only because of what you pointed out, but because we already know.
They couldn't have beaten Meteion, because Meteion already beat them. When Meteion delivered the Final Days, their answer was to create Zodiark, sacrifice 75% of their people to pretend everything was okay, and bury their head in the sand. That perfect future some of you are arguing in which they build a starship to go fight Meteion does not exist and would never exist, Venat information or not. The fact that they sacrificed a further half for Zodiark to restore the environment instead of fixing that shit themselves is proof of that.
That's the difference between the virgin Amaurotine and the Chad Eorzean: when faced with despair, they turned to denialism and easy solutions, while we fought until the end and figured out a way.
Meteion already beat them only because they were completely unaware of her existence thanks to "mommy"
Anon we've been over this. Venat telling the Ancients at large about Meteion would have changed nothing at best, and made things worse in many ways.
And knowing about the existence of Meteion would have made them capable of handling negative emotions how?
>It's Venat's fault that Hermes deleted his own memory and let the final days happen instead of fixing his shit
>she should've told everyone who already distrusts her for not simply choosing too kill herself after leaving her seat
everyone distrusts her which is why she had an entire following of Ancients willing to help her become Hydaelyn?
The Convocation distrust her and would not have believed her.
they distrust her?
Doesn't matter. When faced with the end of days, they caved.
Knowing about Meteion would have been irrelevant because they wouldn't have accepted. They'd have dine anything to take the easy way out. Like they did.
Reminder that the NieR gacha had a FFXIV story written by Ishikawa that shed more light on what Emet had to go through after Venat's sundering took place.
People were literally shapeless, wordless AYYYS until he got society back on track.
some phone game crossover is never going to be relevant.
Damn. The "final days" just turning out to be some sad bird fricking shit up. Almost as disappointing as ME3 reapers.
Hermes was the cause of the Final Days, not Meteion. The Meteia merely projected the suffering of the larger cosmos towards Eitherys. The Meteia didn't have their own emotions, they were a signal boost for the pain of a thousand dead worlds.
The emotions from the Dead ends were the Bullet
Meteion and her sisters were the Gun
But Hermes built the Gun and pulled the Trigger.
Hermes did literally everything wrong. It was an Ascian that caused the Final Days.
basically, the ancients were too dangerous to be left to their own devices, it was their inability to process negative emotions that led to everything getting fricked in the first place
>Hermes couldn't handle the results of his experiment
>lets Meteion get away knowing it will cause untold deaths and destruction under the insane rationalization that it will be a test for humanity
the ancients really were too dangerous to be left to do what they wanted, maybe the sundering was a good thing in general for the cosmos at large
I like Endwalker but it ruined Shadowbringers bittersweet ending.
hard agree, shadowbringers was a perfect ending for the Ascian arc
did no1 poast yet about how it is a story of how "dysgenics = good" ? Diluted bloodlines LOL. Anyway of course by an ugly gorl ^_^
You're exactly who I was talking about when I mentioned idiots getting mad about the game refuting their Ubersmench fantasy..
Yes, a collective of dilluted and diverse imperfect beings are far superior than the pure perfect Amaurotines because diversity of opinions, abilities and characteristics will deal better with life's problems than homogenized perfection.
This is even seen in mankind history; the homosexual Neanderthalis was superior to the homosexual Sapiens in every biological characteristic. But we were better and cooperating, and we wiped the "better" men out.
and wat disorder do u have defective one?
"its like...ppl who don't kno how 2 feel sad, they are WEAK"
"its like...u kno, every1s a little fugged up"
"its like...ppl can just share and care"
it's amoozing becuz problem started far b4 this point so many broken think of as "gotcha"...they cannot even see the initial problem which was cemented in shb, and for which nothing could fix except brutal ret-con. But it is effective trick of the trade, fantasy for who --
Ah the player-pop, and if u look at the chartz...o my, so many, so many many many, o and all of these? O and it demonstrates itself too! This is what is amusing, and perfectly there as it is.
But it is a trap! But a trap is sprung and then, a little bird is not one to free one from a trap. And it is funny too that the game had a bird, and then this was supposed to be it ~ a , can you, but no they could not and . Well, the audience disappoints so many times, and so many settle to give them slop in response.
Some stupid eden, becuz wat lives there is not edenic at all, it does not fit. Then it is demiurgic u say, and yes, but then this turns it to a joke on yr expense. Charitable ones mite say an attempt by a bird...
But this is too charitable ^_^
Frick you, teh penguin of d00m.
I feel like I'm reading some Lovecraftian shit here.
Reminder that they had to bring emet back as a force ghost just so he can look directly at the camera and say that the ancients couldn't have gotten as far as (you) did against meteion because too many people took the charismatic dictators rhetoric at face value and actually believe that the ancients are superior to the sundered in every way.
The entire reason you even fight emet in shadowbringers was because he kidnaps your gay catboy friend because he freaks out after realizing that somehow the sundered invented time travel - something the ancients would obviously have wanted to use in order to fix the final days instead of feeding everyone to zodiark - and wants to use him to figure out the crystal tower fricking works objectively showing that the sundered could do things the ancients somehow couldn't despite all their magic and millennia of experience.
G'raha pulled his time travel in the first place because his world was fricked and Venat's plan failed.
>Venat's plan failed
As far as I can remember the reason the failed timeline failed is because the Black Rose went out of control, not because of the Final Days
You know, if he had just asked nicely instead of having a melty and kidnapping him he may have actually gotten his way too. What a moron.
It's hard to tell with the end of shadowbringers were "well we need a Final Boss for the game" starts and where "actually emet turned himself into a big monster because he was hoping you'd kill him" ends
Wasn't he still tempered by his dark god if so being rational would be the last thing he'd do.
hydaelyn being a dumb battle loving adventure hobo like (you) complete with job changing was an incredible reveal so while overall the etheris segment of the story was really goofy I can't fault it too much. also starbird is canon
You WILL pet the lala
>pet
You mean impregnate and marry right
Bitch, I’m an Omni-crafter, I want my fricking Allahabad silver pieces and minion and then you to get the frick back out there and bring me more!
for all the mistakes endwalkers story made "That I can't deny" was how I had been "roleplaying" my character the entire MSQ so being able to finally have the game acknowledge it and then have the totally sick 1v1 dumb anime fight against zenos they've been baiting me with for the patch quests for 2 whole expansions means overall it was good
Just wish the fight wasn't super easy with infinite hp hacks.
yes i give u succinct explanation of proooblems, u will understand in 10 yrs
nobody understands anyway, just think what you want you can all eat a dick
Frick you Omega. I WILL pick a side and I WILL get mad about people being wrong and choosing differently.
yes i understand u understand but want 2 avoid that uncomfortable truth -- why as to so many of them offed themselves, that contradiction, and mayb u too. Such is the way of things, even tho the contradiction is just built on an insistence for some falsehood, but, who is a bird 2 say?
>maybe if i act like the people i claim are cultists, then they'll be perceived as cultists to everyone else! haha!
>FFXIV Endwalker is a shit story
>NOOOO BUT MUH THEMES!!!! YOU DIDNT SEE MUH THEMES!!! YOU CANT SHIT ON SOMETHING IF IT HAS MUH THEMES!!!! I HAVE NEVER READ A BOOK IN MY LIFE SO IM IMPRESSED BY MUH THEMES BEING PUT IN A VISUAL NOVEL STORY YOU ARE JUST A CUTSCENE SKIPPER
tell me of a book you like so I can make fun of you for your shit taste
Okay name a book you've read in the last 5 years.
>you gotta stand against despair bro...
>suffering is what makes life worth it bro...
Why yes, you need to get third degree burns and be a fricking paraplegic to understand the value of life. Now stop trying to bring back your friends and people and let me watch my crippled mutant Black folk killing and raping eachother in peace already!
Go to bed Varis, don't you have a dog show to judge in the morning?
the mutants have more going on in their lives than ancients, frick ancients
>Aren't born with a gmod itemspawn menu
No, they don't.
yes they do, their creations are regulated, and what the frick do they do when they're not spawning shit? fricking nothing, frick them
The creations they are trying to get for public use are regulated. In amaurot you meet a shadowBlack person that spawned a griphon for shits and giggles.
they can spawn a dick up their asses for all I care, ancients are boring and I'm glad they got turned into mutants, welcome to real life b***hes
>Ant raging on about how much better it is from actual humans
Cute.
bold talk for someone who is fricking dead and forgotten
The only person that matters remembers.
that person sucks mutant wieners
That's a good point. What use is paradise without something like Lyse's breasts and/or ass.
as to tiresome old/new, prove it with yr poasts u homosexuals.
Roughly 250 Irregular Tomestones from just running The Orbonne Monastery.
Still not tired of it.
that's a lot of mgp dude.
I'd do the same as Venat if I had the power to and saw humanity getting too comfy
Humanity as we understand it could never exist in a perfect garden of Eden society, frickers would get too bored and destroy everything just trying to have something interesting finally happen.
I would be too busy having sex with Hythlodaeus and Venat to be bored.
this, you can create whatever comes to mind AND frick it, including your fellow colleagues
That would only hold your interest for 100 years at best. What are you gonna do with the rest of your 100000 year or so lifespan?
Frick Emet.
Make new things to frick.
Do you think they'll ever do something to stop drk/gnb from being so much better then pld/war?
Endwalker is the same dogshit people stopped caring about in Final Fantasy/Kingdom Hearts and left these franchises for other franchises. Its the autistic and overly convoluted stories to seem convoluted so a minority of morons can sit there and act smart for dealing with a shitty, convoluted story
Shit like the splitting of the worlds, time traveling timeloops, space bird e-girls, IM ACSHUALLY IM 63% ANCIENT, emotional space energy thats brought up ion the final chapters, using the moon as a space ship. Its all so fricking tiresome and i wish they could for once make a simple fricking storywithout having an autistic creative spergout of a bunch of dumb fantasy shit
Shut the frick up goddamn, the series has always had shit like that. Goddamn fricking FF7gays talking about MY franchise they know nothing about.
Even FF7 is schizokino.
ok fricking xiv murder mystery: who killed G'raha Tia? if was Urianger in the kitchen with the dictionary
That's the funny part, the main complaint is that it even fails at being a convoluted story which upsets lore autists and is quite simple and clear in how awful it is to a point where even normalgays can tell its the vilest shlock in comparison to what used to be.
The only group seemingly satisfied with it are the people too stupid to be lore autists that still convince themselves that what they saw was complex and convoluted.
Nice larp but normalgays ate up the story and so did the loregays.
Case in point.
man it's not that endwalker is convoluted, it's that it sacrificed the tension in the story for a message of hope, instead of saving it for the very end when everything seems so unbelievably fricked
story structure 101, homie, they failed it
>and i wish they could for once make a simple fricking storywithout having an autistic creative spergout of a bunch of dumb fantasy shit
Boy you would hate Fire Punch then.
there is no real passion without the underlying, war. Thiz is one of the flaws yes. Bored scientist autismo bird-maker should have simply started a war, this would be a better story, and a better measuring stick
love and war, are the ultimate kino combo, and t his is wat could have been.
Good morning sirs!
GOOD MORNING SIR
foundation of older FF's was usually love or war...not... zis
The first FF was about a time looping demon pact.
ff1 is nevr considered in the list of gr8 ones. But i have not played it so cannot say.
The third FF was about a demigod who was pissed off about being gifted mortality by his master so he decided to flood the world in darkness so time would stand still and he'd never die.
The fourth FF was about aliens whose spaceship was the moon and one of the aliens wanted to kill all of humanity so the aliens could live on Earth instead but they put him in cryosleep but then he used telepathy to brainwash a guy who brainwashed two other guys.
The fifth FF was about an evil tree trying to reunite two halves of a world so he could access magic that let him eat chunks of reality.
explication vs. foundation, events vs. motivation, u are, morono!
If you're just talking about foundation then there's nothing complex about XIV. The foundation of XIV is the question of why we bother to live when life is full of suffering and ends in death.
y u poast if u didnt understand wat i was even saying? KYS!
I need to go back and replay all the old 2d FFs. Yes, even 2, it's kino.
NOOOO SHUT THE FRICK UP MY NARRATIVE FF HAS NEVER DONE TIME TRAVEL BEFORE PLEASE DON'T LOOK AT I, II, VIII, IX, XI and XIII-2! THOSE DON'T COUNT!!!!!
i was talking about love and war...as foundation...are u, morono?
time travel is mechanism, it is not foundation ~ like in gundam, there is robot suit, but show is not about robot suit
zis being a fate completely unattached, some ancient gallivanter with frens who are not frens, no waifu, just told o ya u are fren. But how to feel this? Zis being u are from this gay old commune and then split, but u are now fulfilling the same destiny as that commune life form. Zis is disgusting, so stale! A loop in reverse fails to satisfy, this is also a prooblem
>Moogle event
Fuuuug I don't get home until the 25th
>people still argue with drunken ESL morons who eerily resemble Barry in his writing style
Literally a third of the thread is samegayging, just so you know.
what gave it away? the 500 posts with 90 IPs?
anyway, the lack of sense, taste, ability to hear, see, etc. The lack elongates, and bends, like a little willow around her c**t...now i will jerk off goodbye
Venat Black folk love to ignore the dragons, despair only make you have a nice day, or escape