No that was either MSQ Lahabrea, Asahi or that crazy guy from the Weapon plotline. For all intents Emet was more evil than Venat.
I like Y'shtola but honestly I wouldn't put her in the top 5. This is especially true if we count bosses.
I genuinely don't see why she's so popular. Like yeah she has some good banter here and there and there are few relevant female characters these days but she's really not special.
She's been around for pretty much the whole game despite having little screentime for much of it and as you said, is one of the few relevant females who are still around, probably the only one who distinctly looks like a female. Simply put, there's slim pickings for waifugays so she's kind of the one most default to.
Yes, but not for the reasons you'd think. She is a woman I would marry without a second thought. Loyal and honest, always having your back. I will always appreciate her for being the only one who wasn't going "Adventure Ho!" in the first upon seeing how fricking battered (you) were with all the Lightwarden Aether.
Yes, but not for the reasons you'd think. She is a woman I would marry without a second thought. Loyal and honest, always having your back. I will always appreciate her for being the only one who wasn't going "Adventure Ho!" in the first upon seeing how fricking battered (you) were with all the Lightwarden Aether.
She doesnt have breasts that big
She does have a really juicy ass tho.
big shtola booty
>Her body doesn't look like that >That's not her personality >She's almost certainly used goods, long before ARR >She's so old that WoL can't have kids with her, without an enormous risk of down syndrome
If you really want moron babies, surely F'lahminn is the one to go for? We're at least canonically told she's super hot, rather than just headcanon like Y'shtola.
If you like slow, lore-heavy stuff then you'll be fine. If you end up wanting to rush through or skip things then you probably won't like it; there's not really a magical point where the quality goes from 0 to 100. The other anon is right about it playing like a singleplayer JRPG with MMO combat.
I played through ARR as a sprout last year and it was great IF you like the idea of being a hero traveling the world to save it.
The only part that really sucks is post ARR before HW starts.
It's mostly a single-player experience with some co-op sections. You also sometimes see other people running around and pay a monthly subscription fee.
story gets good in the content they added to the game in between the base game and the first expansion, that's why the expansion is included in the trial
ancients have long necks its lore accurate
also what does ff have to do with trannies afaik there aren't even any gay people in that game much less transgenders
Whatever happened to that autist that swore on his life for an entire thread that Bozja and eureka were fully dead at all times? Man claimed it took him months to get through Anemos
OP is clearly baiting an argument about the zodiark trancers for the millionth time, the second dude felt the need to bring up shitflinging from a previous thread like we're on fricking /vg/.
That isn't true at all, stop making excuses for homosexual OP's.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>That isn't true at all
The janny just nuked a different thread just now for no reason
Actually, they poisoned it with autosage
He's right, you are new
10 months ago
Anonymous
Janny apologists lmao
10 months ago
Anonymous
It depends on the janitor but as rule-of-thumb yes there is no actual necessity for a negative OP, people just want an easy in for shitting on the game. Coincidentally there's less troll interest in general when the OP isn't negative, and threads tend to stay more civil; this is true even when the OP is on-topic but negative, or off-topic but positive.
When are this Emet-dick sucking morons gonna get over it already? Venat won, even their daddy admitted she was right and did nothing wrong. Get the frick over it holy shit.
Zodiark Trancers are the new form of Barry. They will literally never stop, even 10 years from now when this game shuts down they will still be crying about "Genocydaelyn"
>even their daddy admitted she was right
He only admitted that the ancients couldn't have solved the problem, not that she was right to have done what she had, which is why he chose to kill himself rather than live reanimated by her magic because he hated her so much. There's kind of a degree in there between "Dammit, we could not have solved this" and "I am glad you destroyed our civilization!"
>ascians commit mass suicide to stop the chaos >ascians then prepare to commit mass genocide >venat stops them >omg venat is a genocider
this is so moronic i'm betting some youtube shithead started
>it is rational to destroy your race because they wanted to engage in the equivalent of cattle farming and agriculture to sustain their devastated civilization
We know the real reason Venat did it - to preserve the timeloop instead of creating a diverging timeline, so you could at least try and use the actual argument.
you feign an understanding and empathy towards a species that committed mass suicide in order to save a star from oblivion yet lack the wherewithal to understand the massive loss of life it would take on the planet for them to in turn undo their own sacrifice, and worse yet don't make the connection that if they were able to do so they would be betraying their guiding tenet as a society that has the power to play god. your outrage fake, your empathy borrowed, your opinion given to you. remove your stain from public discourse until you are capable of thinking for yourself
> your outrage fake, your empathy borrowed, your opinion given to you.
Huffing your own farts pretty hard there, Emetgay. Just post the link to your writeups already so you can stop shitting up the thread.
> your outrage fake, your empathy borrowed, your opinion given to you.
Huffing your own farts pretty hard there, Emetgay. Just post the link to your writeups already so you can stop shitting up the thread.
>Catttle
Oh boy it's the "MUH THIRD SACRIFICE WAS JUST PLANTS AND ANIMALS GOY" argument again
Literally prove, right now, that they were going to sacrifice plants and or animals. Venat herself was cited as saying she and her followers opposed it because they believed the beings that were to be sacrificed should inherit the star from them. Do you, SERIOUSLY think that they wanted fricking grass or cows to inherit the world from them? Are you fricking moronic?
You can stop samegayging and can return to your discord
Correct, the Ancients betrayed their one sole reason as a society: the salvation of the Star for entirely selfish reasons. Venat in this sense stayed true to her people's ideals by Sundering the world to save it. And it worked out.
They had already achieved self-preservation, the sacrifice plan was wanting to pretend that nothing bad had actually happened
10 months ago
Anonymous
If you have an opportunity to save everyone you love at the cost of no-name homosexuals you have no attachment to, you should take it. I don't wanna hear it from this gay ass fanbase that would have a meltdown if their precious fujocat ever actually died.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>If you have an opportunity to save everyone you love at the cost of no-name homosexuals
At the cost of completely fricking up the flow of the Lifestream and turning your back on the foundational principles of your society, you mean. What happened bro I thought dying was great because you get to continue the cycle and start a new life?
The ancients put the Star above themselves, to suddenly betray this to bring back their dead loved ones is peak hypocrisy. They, as a collective, did not care about themselves so much as they did the star itself. They quite literally killed themselves when they had nothing they could further contribute to the Star. That is how little they valued themselves. When faced with a calamity they suddenly changed their minds and betrayed their sole purpose as a people. They were hypocrites and Venat was one of the ones who kept to their people's ideals.
By her people's own moral perspective Venat literally did nothing wrong.
false equivalence
plenty of Ancients were still around living just fine, they just wanted to have their cake and eat it too
10 months ago
Anonymous
until Venat sundered all of them and destroyed the rest of them. You like her because she preserved you at the cost of her own people, but if we ever had to deal with a Venat 2.0 who decided Hyur et al. needed to go, you'd hate the vile b***h
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Venat sundered all of them and destroyed the rest of them
and if they had just accepted the sacrifice they had made and lived with it, that never would have happened
you're simping for mentally weak frick-ups
10 months ago
Anonymous
>you're simping for mentally weak frick-ups
you fricking imbecile, Eorzea was EXACTLY the same during the time of the Allagan Empire. Imagine if they had their own Venat. All sentient life on Eorzea would be gone because of one singular woman moment judging them as unworthy
10 months ago
Anonymous
and who was responsible for the Allagans?
oh yeah, a fricking moron Ancient
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Imagine if they had their own Venat.
They did. His name was Xande. He determined that their societal decay would be cured by thrusting them into the hardships of war. And it worked.
10 months ago
Anonymous
bonus points for amon's testimony that xande sorely regretted it (warring was completely pointless and unproductive) but didn't see any other option for allag
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Eorzea was exactly the same when the unsundered Ascians were purposefully leading them into causing calamities
10 months ago
Anonymous
and who was responsible for the Allagans?
oh yeah, a fricking moron Ancient
>it wuz the Ascians
you're right, empires never grew decadent on complacent based on human nature alone, they need the shadow cabal pulling the strings as a convenient scapegoat
10 months ago
Anonymous
Except they literally did have a shadow cabal pulling the strings to steer them into self destruction, this isn't some fricking schizo conspiracy theory about lizard people ruling the earth it's the lore of the game
10 months ago
Anonymous
They literally didn't. Allag as a society grew so fat and happy that moral decay set in by the time Amon was born. He was so disgusted by what was happening around him that he set about trying to determine the cause and fix it wow, this sounds familiar. He settled on bringing back the first emperor and asking his opinion. Amon did all this shit entirely on his own. Emet-Selch only showed up after everything was done to offer Amon the seat of Fandaniel.
10 months ago
Anonymous
they didn't, Allag fricked itself up on their own accord. Good thing Venat wasn't there or she would determine that all of mankind needs to be exterminated because of her doctrine of extreme social darwinism
10 months ago
Anonymous
>good thing Venat wasn't there
Good thing Xande was there and reached the exact same conclusion
10 months ago
Anonymous
>ten thousand years of unchecked Ascian influence >constant war, pestilence, calamity >WoL kills the three dipshits responsible for everything over the course of a few weeks >Eorzea united to the point we're able to stop the personification of despair from destroying the universe
Really makes you think.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Eorzea united to the point we're able to stop the personification of despair from destroying the universe >wow we're so special with our magical powers of feels over reals
revolutionary, how come the rest of the universe didn't try being JRPG protagonists?
10 months ago
Anonymous
They didn't get the chance to, Meteion showed up and showered them in suicide juice before they got the chance to breed a WoL to throw at her.
10 months ago
Anonymous
They didn't know what was happening cutscene-skipper-san.
10 months ago
Anonymous
and neither did the Ancients because Venat refused to tell them shit moron-kun
10 months ago
Anonymous
She explains quite clearly why she doesn't tell them, moron. Maybe go visit an inn and watch the cutscenes this time instead of baby-raging.
10 months ago
Anonymous
giving a reason is not the same as giving a good reason.
10 months ago
Anonymous
And you not liking it doesn't mean it's not a good reason. Venat was one of the ancients you trancers love to slobber over, which means her conclusions were drawn from a position of much higher intellect and reason than you're capable of. If she says her decided course of action is the best one then you have no grounds to argue against it. Seethe, cope, then get the frick over it.
10 months ago
Anonymous
From what fricking perspective. The Ancients were hardly unanimous over what decision to take. Venat had many supporters just like the convocation. In the end any fricking moral argument is out the window the second Venat decided to sunder her own people and it boils down to might is right. I respect Venat's strength, but I'm not about to go >thank you Venat for becoming a mass murder for our sake
10 months ago
Anonymous
the world is a graveyard, stop being a baby.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>giving a reason is not the same as giving a good reason.
Here's a good reaosn, the WOL and everyone they know and love, and literally everyone that exists in his timeline will cease to exist if the Sundering doesn't happen. Do I need to give further reason?
10 months ago
Anonymous
Sure. But what we some random prostitute decides Eorzea is flawed and whatever successor species could be even speshuler and smarter than us and would willingly frick us over to bring about these successors. From Venatgay perspective, we should have to bend the knee and just fricking die for the case
10 months ago
Anonymous
>some random prostitute
Man you guys seem to really love to fixate on Venat's gender for some wierd reason. I wonder why that could be?
10 months ago
Anonymous
reposting trannies from the forums just makes you look like a bigger homosexual by proving you actively visit that shithole.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Just saying if Venat were a hot guy all these people would love him. For whatever reason 'mommy' types really trigger them more than any other kind of female.
10 months ago
Anonymous
It's the diabolical opposite of daddy issues: mommy issues.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>But what we some random prostitute decides Eorzea is flawed and whatever successor species could be even speshuler and smarter than us and would willingly frick us over to bring about these successors.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Any time someone mentions that Venat and Athena were practically the same, Venathomosexuals lose their fricking minds.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Athena was seeking to elevate herself to godhood at the expense of literally everything else out of a completely selfish desire, anyone who says her and Venat are the same is a fricking moron.
10 months ago
Anonymous
And Venat elevated herself to godhood (Hydaelyn) to pursue her ends. Why does it matter what their thoughts were so long as the result is the same in the end?
10 months ago
Anonymous
I'll file you under "disingenuous moron" if you're going to completely gloss over the differences in their motivations for their actions.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>to pursue her ends.
Her ends being saving (You) and the entire fricking universe.
Yeah so selfish anon.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Her ends? She didn't do shit. I did all the fricking work. Every other shard of Etheirys is in shit creek because there's no WoL but Venat's moronic 1/13 salvation plan gets the credit?
10 months ago
Anonymous
She wanted to transform her people because she did not believe they were truly alive. You should listen to Athena's song, she says the exact same thing.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>She wanted to transform her people because she did not believe they were truly alive. You should listen to Athena's song, she says the exact same thing.
What game did you play because it clearly wasn't Endwalker to be able to come to this moronic and completely wrong conclusion
10 months ago
Anonymous
Read the short stories.
10 months ago
Anonymous
in greek mythology, zeus is a patricide. Atheists are just christians who have somehow moralized themselves into moronation.
10 months ago
Anonymous
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Venat is on the same level as Zenos
That's not a good look my man.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>That's not a good look my man.
That's on you, personally I thought all the ancients were justified in their own way, same as Zenos. As the Warrior of Light, I am inclined to stop him since he is killing innocents just for the sake of it.
You could disagree with him and agree more with Venat. And that's fine.The point is they all have their goals and their own rationale in mind
But only Zenos gets what the WoL truly is, and Zenos is my friend
10 months ago
Anonymous
There's a scene many people overlooked when Hermes confronts the beast, telling him that even if he wants to destroy and burn everything, that is also alright. It was a pretty telling scene in regards to the existence of Zenos and that at least one ancient also accepted him. Most people overlook it, I don't think I've seen anyone ever mention it.
10 months ago
Anonymous
I liked that scene but yeah I kinda forgot about it.
Hermes is so well written the best written character in xiv imo
I also liked the part where he let meteion escape and also explained as a human, he is opposed to their ideals, but he also wants to test mankind for its fitness to exist. Really well done scene
10 months ago
Anonymous
I think him putting the ancients on a trial they had no chance at winning is what made me despise him the most. When someone is put on trial, they usually have their sentence read to them, their misdeeds listed and are allowed to defend themselves. What he did was akin to ramping up a light-mile long guillotine and letting go of the rope. The blade would have come down either way, the only difference would be if you could get your head out in time and just get away with only losing your arms or not.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>I think him putting the ancients on a trial they had no chance at winning
But they literally did win, both in the short term by creating Zodiark, and in the long term with Venat making them evolve to be immune to despair. Hermes was right. He knew they would win, and they did.
10 months ago
Anonymous
If you can't use creation magics, you aren't an ancient, none of the sundered can, so.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>If you can't use creation magics
Good news!
10 months ago
Anonymous
I half-agree, but he did force a decaying society to make a choice, whether to change or further decay like the Ra-La society did.
As a human on Eitherys, I wouldn't call Hermes a necessary evil but I am thankful for what he did
10 months ago
Anonymous
>But only Zenos gets what the WoL truly is, and Zenos is my friend
I kinda dislike the game is low key pushing you in that direction, despite Ardbert spelling out what my personal feelings are: I enjoy the time between battles where I can interact with the crew a lot. Sad that you can't vocalize your WoLs opinion on that better.
10 months ago
Anonymous
I can see why people woudn't like it, for me I wish it was more subtle and not in your face like an immediate flashback to zenos. Probably its because its not ishikawa directing the cutscenes
10 months ago
Anonymous
zenos is a "late" garlean and all it entails, but tbh the game shied away from those themes after arr. Drastically so in the ew alliance quest series. I just want more religious furniture so I can make my shrine to thaliak better.
10 months ago
Anonymous
he's an owl btw
10 months ago
Anonymous
once i''ve seen him in the flesh, i'll decide on what to do with my shrine. Technically i worship azemya... the game on character creation doesn't explain to you "this is a cat person god".
10 months ago
Anonymous
Ngl I loved Zenos there
10 months ago
Anonymous
>, Eorzea was EXACTLY the same during the time of the Allagan Empire. Imagine if they had their own Venat. All sentient life on Eorzea would be gone because of one singular woman moment judging them as unworthy
10 months ago
Anonymous
>and if they had just accepted the sacrifice they had made and lived with it, that never would have happened >I disagree with your decision therefore you all must die
10 months ago
Anonymous
usually when you try to kill people it's considered ok to kill you to stop it
10 months ago
Anonymous
Here's the difference anon: Venat's actions only negatively affected the Ancients, not the Sundered, who directly benefited by said actions. Thereby nobody but the Ancients has any reason to care about what she did, but would reasonably care if it happened to them.
WoW anon, people care when something bad happens to them but not to someone else, holy shit what a shocking relevation! (Especially when said bad actions directly benefit them, in the Sundered's case being the only reason they exist)
Oh boy it's the "MUH THIRD SACRIFICE WAS JUST PLANTS AND ANIMALS GOY" argument again
Literally prove, right now, that they were going to sacrifice plants and or animals. Venat herself was cited as saying she and her followers opposed it because they believed the beings that were to be sacrificed should inherit the star from them. Do you, SERIOUSLY think that they wanted fricking grass or cows to inherit the world from them? Are you fricking moronic?
>even if the third sacrifice were other species it would still be justified you race traitor moron
Hi Trancer: You will never be an Ancient. Cope and Sneed.
then I assume your b***h ass would be entirely willing to let every Hyur, Miqo'te, Elezen, etc die to preserve the fricking beast tribe Black folk?
>then I assume your b***h ass would be entirely willing to let every Hyur, Miqo'te, Elezen, etc die to preserve the fricking beast tribe Black folk?
Really making it painfully clear you Trancer morons are just racist with a master-race fantasy you live out through a fictional race. A dead fictional race LMFAO
>Really making it painfully clear you Trancer morons are just racist with a master-race fantasy you live out through a fictional race. A dead fictional race LMFAO
dodging the question there anon, if your people were judged to be be imperfect and flawed by a singular women would you go along with her entirely and accept your demise or simply tell her to frick off
also, said women refuses to tell you the root of the problem or why the world is ending for whatever reason despite knowing damn well what it is
10 months ago
Anonymous
>by a singular women
When it was by a singular man? Would you be upset then, Trancer?
10 months ago
Anonymous
>muh Trancer boogeyman
you FFXIVgays can't handle the slightest bit of shitposting and dissent. It's no wonder you can't shut the frick up about Barry either.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>you FFXIVgays can't handle the slightest bit of shitposting and dissent. It's no wonder you can't shut the frick up about Barry either.
t.
10 months ago
Anonymous
never visited the forum once in my life you persecution complex schizo
10 months ago
Anonymous
>never visited the forum once in my life you persecution complex schizo
I never mentioned the forum, Trancer. Fruedian Slip there, choom?
10 months ago
Anonymous
>even if the third sacrifice were other species it would still be justified you race traitor moron
Hi Trancer: You will never be an Ancient. Cope and Sneed.
There's nothing wrong with prioritizing the survival of your tribe over that of others. In fact this endears the ascians far more to me. There's nothing wrong with good old fashioned tribalism.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Their tribe had already survived. The problem arose when they wanted to reverse the course of nature so that they could go back to living in a cope bubble.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Their tribe had already survived.
It hasn't, neither their bloodlines or their culture, art and poetry. >reverse the course of nature
Last time I checked using apocalyptic sorcery to shatter reality into pieces wasn't the natural course of things. And an appeal to nature is a weak and fallacious one anyway.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>It hasn't
It had before the Sundering. And the Sundering happened because they were trying to feed the Lifestream to bring back the dead, which would have completely ruined the cycle of life and death. They couldn't cope with the fact that they'd lost loved ones, so they decided that the most sacred thing in their society was now theirs to do with as they pleased.
10 months ago
Anonymous
What the hell are you talking about right now? Meteion is an engineered disaster, a runaway scientific experiment that devastated most of the universe. It wasn't some sort of a forest fire that burnt away the overgrowth and brought about renewal. It is perfectly reasonable to employ technology to recover from a technological disaster, their planet was rendered uninhabitable as a result of the Final Days.
10 months ago
Anonymous
I feel like I'm talking to a schizophrenic the way you keep jumping around the timeline of events. What we are talking about took place after the Final Days happened, after Zodiark was summoned, and after Zodiark fixed the world. At that point, when everything was already safe and mended, they decided they wanted to feed the Lifestream to Zodiark to get the lost back. Because they couldn't handle the grief.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>create a powerful wishgranting machine that can rewrite reality >hey wouldn't it be nice if we got our planet back >ok >hey wouldn't it be nice if we got back the people that died to make that machine? >YOU ALL DIE NOW
A woman moment if there ever was one.
10 months ago
Anonymous
You left out the part where it runs on souls and you're feeding living beings to it to get your wishes granted
10 months ago
Anonymous
>you're feeding living beings to it to get your wishes granted
what is the WoL's existence if not just killing things to achieve his goals, also sometimes his goals is just to be able to kill more things? I'm in no position to judge
10 months ago
Anonymous
The part where the WoL killing someone doesn't permanently remove them from the cycle of death and rebirth
10 months ago
Anonymous
I would if I could.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Maybe Zero will teach us how to make memoria crystals so we can use our greatest enemies to store JO energy
10 months ago
Anonymous
>implying I don't want to consume my enemies' souls as well for added gains
10 months ago
Anonymous
>what is the WoL's existence if not just killing things to achieve his goals
This is the most psychotic "if you kill him you'll be just like him" shit I have ever seen. The WoL fights stuff to prevent them from killing other people. He's protecting life from things that are trying to kill stuff to achieve their goals, you fricking schizo. A big part of the back and forth with Zenos is that the WoL is different from him because, while he does enjoy adventuring and fighting, he only ever does it for the right reasons.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>The WoL fights stuff to prevent them from killing other people.
frick off, no I'm not you messiah complex homosexual. I couldn't care less about other people. The Scions just gaslit themelves into thinking I do because I handle all their dirty work.
10 months ago
Anonymous
10 months ago
Anonymous
You had to insert a hell of a coin to get that machine to operate anon
>hey wouldn't it be nice if we got back the people that died to make that machine?
Well the thing about that is, the fuel you're feeding to get the dead people back is the life blood of the planet and the protection of which your entire society holds in the highest regard. And not only that, the Lifestream only runs again because Zodiark flushed it with aether produced from the lives of the second sacrifice. Meaning the whole root of this revived Lifestream IS MADE OF THE PEOPLE YOU WANT TO BRING BACK.
If the lifestream is a closed loop ecosystem there's nothing wrong with putting in things to get things back so long as the exchange is equivalent. If we assume that the souls of the ancients that died in the final days didn't just dissipate into the oblivion since they were not as susceptible to dynamis as those of the sundered, and just went back to the lifestream, there's nothing wrong from an eco-point-of view with using the newly created plant and animal life to bring them back. The only leg Venat had to stand on here was a morally ethical issue of her own invention and the consensus was largely that her opinion was that of the minority.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>if they went to the Lifestream, there's nothing wrong with using Lifestream as fuel to bring them back from the dead
How do you not see the huge flaw in your logic here?
10 months ago
Anonymous
You had to insert a hell of a coin to get that machine to operate anon
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Dying is the most wonderful thing there is. Not only do we continue the precious cycle of life which is the foundation of our society and the planet itself, but we get to set out on a new journey. >WAIT NO NOT LIKE THAT WW-W-W-W-W-WE GOTTA FEED THE PRECIOUS LIFESTREAM TO GET OUR FRIENDS BACK BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SAY GOODBYE YET IT'S NOT FAIR
10 months ago
Anonymous
>moving on after the goal of your life is completed, surrounded by your friends and loved ones is the same as being violently murdered by a creature that came straight out of your nightmares
10 months ago
Anonymous
>the cycle of the Lifestream is precious and sacred but only if we commit suicide
10 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, the cycle of life and death itself becomes damaged if death becomes senseless. Planetary extinction events created by manufactured empathy monsters are not the same as an avalanche or a volcano eruption.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>the cycle of life and death itself becomes damaged if death becomes senseless
Now you're just babbling meaningless shit hoping it sounds profound. The Ancients survived, and any lost creatures can be reintroduced to the planet naturally because they created them in the first place. But this was not their concern. Their concern was to use restored life as fuel to bring back their friends, rather than allowing them to cycle through the Lifestream as naturally intended to be born again. Because their concern was not the protection of the planet, the Lifestream, or any ecosystem. Their concern was that they did not want to accept what had happened.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>deflection
A forest fire burns down a forest, but the seeds of the trees that grow in the forest that burned can crack and sprout new life only during the extreme heat of the forest fire. That is a natural cycle of death and renewal. A creature comes from outer space and sends out a mind-plague that causes your people to self-anihilate. That is not a natural course of life and is not a process any sane ecosystem would follow unless you will dig your heels here and try to argue that the universe of FFXIV relies on advanced civilizations creating universe-wide life cleansing monsters as a form of policing of its species lest they transcend the Kardashev barrier, which is utter fricking insanity. There's nothing wrong with carefully selecting how to restructure your ecosystem so long as the means are sustainable. Venat was simply opposed to the idea of them getting their friends back because she was in love with misery and suffering it had caused, that's all.
10 months ago
Anonymous
The Lifestream doesn't become any less sacred just because an outside force caused an unusual level of death. This is what you aren't understanding. Prior to the Final Days, Ancient society revolved around protecting the planet and nurturing it. The whole idea of them committing suicide came from the fact that the Lifestream has to be rejuvenated through death. That's why they considered it such an important act. Then, when the Final Days hit, their whole tune changed. It was no longer about protecting or nurturing the planet, it became about their selfish inability to accept what had happened and move on. They didn't want to acknowledge that things like that could happen outside of their control, they didn't want to accept that sometimes people can just die. They changed from stewards of the planet to reapers of the planet, using new life to selfishly bring back old life. It's like if you started feeding fetuses to some kind of bull demon furnace that offered you longevity.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>sacred
It's not an idol to worship no more than a river is. The ancients could see souls, manipulate them, transfer them and reshape them. It was a resource they could readily utilize, although they were always careful lest you end up a screeching moron like the Phoenix. >feeding fetuses to some kind of bull demon furnace that offered you longevity.
I absolutely would do it.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>It's not an idol to worship no more than a river is.
The planet is the source of the Ancients, their powers, and is the only thing that can generate and grant souls. The fact that it only grants souls to things that fit certain criteria shows that it has some level of intelligence. So no, the planet is effectively a god. >I absolutely would do it.
Hello, rabbi!
10 months ago
Anonymous
The difference is that the israeli tricks don't work. Humanity would find a justification for any atrocity if it did truly work and cured all disease and granted eternal life.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>hey wouldn't it be nice if we got back the people that died to make that machine?
Well the thing about that is, the fuel you're feeding to get the dead people back is the life blood of the planet and the protection of which your entire society holds in the highest regard. And not only that, the Lifestream only runs again because Zodiark flushed it with aether produced from the lives of the second sacrifice. Meaning the whole root of this revived Lifestream IS MADE OF THE PEOPLE YOU WANT TO BRING BACK.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>There's nothing wrong with prioritizing the survival of your tribe over that of others. In fact this endears the ascians far more to me. There's nothing wrong with good old fashioned tribalism.
You will never be an Ancient
10 months ago
Anonymous
I'm just fine with not being a coomer, like you.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>schizo can't understand the concept of empathy
people are putting themselves in the shoes of the Ancients and thinking what they would do if some b***h wanted Eorzea to perish because decadence or some shit
10 months ago
Anonymous
>people are putting themselves in the shoes of the Ancients
Yes we already know you autistic morons self insert as Ancients because you unironically believe they were like a society of autismo morons like yourselves
10 months ago
Anonymous
>and thinking what they would do if some b***h wanted Eorzea to perish because decadence or some shit
Venat has consistently lied throughout the entire story. Emet didn't lie to us once. The biggest example being the whole way back in the Antitower when she said Zodiark caused the Final Days when he did the exact opposite. She said he lusted for power when everything was consential. Then Emet tells us in Shadowbringers the calamity existed before either.
You Venatgays are completely deranged. Venat raped the whole world.
>Venat has consistently lied throughout the entire story. Emet didn't lie to us once
emet shot my buddy in the back tho. While Venat saved me from being smoked by Ifrit.
>The new brilliant tools are just a dogshit reskin with a pathetic effect on top of it.
It fricking baffles me this is what we get now. The skybuilder tools blow this piece of shit out of the water.
Have you guys seen them? Frick me they're ugly as frick. They didn't even try and the effect doesn't get an upgrade at the final tier either. Such shit. What the frick is going on with the budget cuts because there's no fricking way they're putting any money back into this gay ass game, man.
Crafters aren't the only ones getting dogshit content anymore. The fricked up thing is how easy it would be for them to fill their quota, but they couldn't do even that.
I swear to god that the number of concurrent online users for Mare keeps going up
I feel like it was at around 16k not that long ago, and now it's usually around the 21k area
>Make new tools with useful effects >The final tier is ugly as sin and doesn't even get better special effect, it just stays the same as the first one. >The grind is boring as frick, too. Just a time-sink working towards something that feels utterly underwhelming.
Everyone knows it but i'm gonna say it: island sanctuary is strictly an improvement upon bozja. Bozja was backwards looking, a pointless ugly grind with repetive music, basically the most naked skinner box the game ever made. It sucks, the players were right to reject it, and the devs were right to embrace the future.
>Everyone knows it >Island sanctuary is an improvement over bozja
How do imbeciles like you find the mental capacity to breathe when you're this moronic?
have a nice day you fricking mouthbreathing homosexual. Bozja actually had gameplay. What the frick are you doing in your island? Roleplaying and changing diapers? Fricking b***h.
Look man.
I just fricking hate those dumb mammets. They completely ruined my vibe of WoL going full survivor island and afterwards having a quiet, lonesome place to rest in. I'd have taken just fade to black cutscenes of WoL breaking his back building everything alone over the rude af taskmasters we've got. It stops being a quiet nature retreat to occasionally invite friends over to and instead becomes an industrialized shithole with a mean boss that friends see and turn tail from.
And its not cause i hate fates! Overworld fates are interesting precisely because they are in places you touch in the msq... you are saving a village you had a quest in, you hear about how the place is calming down since you killed 1000 enraged owlbears, you run into other random players just knocking out a fate while doing msq just for fun / boost in exp. Bozja is just sitting on your mount, riding between fates and hoping they don't get cleared before you get there, the whole place is an butthole that makes Ala Migo look like the israeliteel of the east, and its about completely unlikable furries. Bozja SUCKS.
Holy shit shut the frick up moron. Nobody cares about the moronic low-effort msq. Endwalker ruined everything, honestly. You have to be a fricking toddler to enjoy it with all the blatant hypocrisy at play. It's so obvious who you should root for and who you should hate. So boring.
Bozja at least had fun content and hard fights. What the frick did Island sanctuary give you? A time-gated system that doesn't even have you actively interact with it, you just leave it for two weeks and cash in while your sub runs out? Frick you.
>Nobody cares about the moronic low-effort m
anon, why not just get a job? Not only will your achievements be more meaningful, people will actually pay you for them.
The devs have no idea what to do with Blu do they? The fact they are so lazy that they can't program SoS and SoS EX to work with Diamondback is moronic and they can't program that role mechanics to actually target specific roles makes me question the devs.
... Is this the final tier of Tools for the expansion?
It just feels so bad. There's surely one final upgrade to them right? Because I don't think they would just let it end with this... right?
>How is shoveling shit not content?
Hahaha yeah because boring shit in this game counts as totally not outdated and shittier than what we've previously had.
Bozja was good and dumb fricks who say it probably didn't even finish it. Eureka was better than Island sanctuary and Criterion, too.
Endwalker is such a boring shit expansion. It falls short on pretty much everything when compared to every single other expansion.
The fact that current expansion content is lacking doesn't mean you can't complain about the game when there is other shit to do in previous expansions. Most of us already did all that shit, so of course we want more from the current one and get pissed when it doesn't bring enough to the table.
Holy shit shut the frick up moron. Nobody cares about the moronic low-effort msq. Endwalker ruined everything, honestly. You have to be a fricking toddler to enjoy it with all the blatant hypocrisy at play. It's so obvious who you should root for and who you should hate. So boring.
Bozja at least had fun content and hard fights. What the frick did Island sanctuary give you? A time-gated system that doesn't even have you actively interact with it, you just leave it for two weeks and cash in while your sub runs out? Frick you.
The only character i find remotely interesting in Bozja is Gerolt
mechanically its just the logical outcome of the choices wow made in WoTLK. But tbh none of the people who are upset with the state of game ever complain about the lack of cc. Its just they want a longer keyboard piano to play.
Ancient character forced to commit villanous act for the greater good and suffering about it for millennia until she finally more or less superkills herself while hoping (You) will be able to finish her job and make her sacrifices worth it.
FF12 Venat was a great character, but it's a bit different. Wanting mankind to control its own destiny was noble, but Venat ended up allying with the wrong people.
The naming for the FF14 character was really apt for someone that wanted to do what they thought was best for everyone, but ended up causing much suffering.
It's one of my favorites in the series. It's typical Ivalice stuff, with the story being more about political intrigue most of the time. The characters and character development are weaker in comparison, but that didn't bother me much. The level and world design is top-notch. Several times the game gives you the chance to enter a really difficult area earlier than you should. Sometimes it's possible to do them early with the right gambits/equipment setup, and it's really rewarding to figure that out, go into the area, and get some good items early. I also love the way the areas connect together making it feel like a real world.
The jank on this version of BLU is frickin' wild. DPS mess aside you also have shit like goblin punch making damage mitigation much more punishing because you can no longer just cancel your cast to start a fresh new GCD, you have to just wait for the thing to roll and then cast your gate or DB or whatever. I'm having fun though
wonder how the poster who insists BLU could be made full with no changes is coping, now that BLU's a lot weirder to handle than it was prior to the update
the thing is these gays want BLU to be a working job but also wants the stupid OP builds to be balanced for normal content also, it just doesnt fit with current XIV raid design
What stupid OP builds? Have you done a single piece of content on BLU? The level 80 fights I'm doing are going down slower with 8 BLUs than they do just getting them in trial roulette.
Bro are you playing with 7 morons that don't use moon flute and breath of magic? Even in lvl80 dungeons all the bosses just dies in less than half the time required with a normal party.
Reread the post you double digit IQ failed abortion.
And as
It already has a normal DPS caster kit
said it already has one, a 2 minute burst mage with DoT ability.
10 months ago
Anonymous
can you morons explain? how does fricking BLU have a normal dps caster kit with its fricking spellbook? You want the rotation for the normal content to be this?
The jank on this version of BLU is frickin' wild. DPS mess aside you also have shit like goblin punch making damage mitigation much more punishing because you can no longer just cancel your cast to start a fresh new GCD, you have to just wait for the thing to roll and then cast your gate or DB or whatever. I'm having fun though
You moronic monkeys dont even think what the repercussions is if they did this.
Firstly people will complain how the damage is lower than its minigame counterpart, then people will complain how it has a boring rotation. Then people will spam the official forums to give BLU customization in normal content and they have to balance it further just to make it work in normal content, then the cycle continues
IT JUST DOESNT FRICKING WORK YOU BRAINDEAD MONKEY GORILLA moron
10 months ago
Anonymous
The job already doesn't do anything special
Almost every enemy is immune to 95% of its kit
10 months ago
Anonymous
Are you fricking moronic? That's not the fricking point, the point is that they have 124 spells to balance, and then if they include more they need to think about the interactions with old spells too
IF they balanced it for normal content, they will only put 2020 potency spells from now on for easier balancing. IT is extremely moronic to expect them to release new unique spells and still want them to think the balance for it
10 months ago
Anonymous
>That's not the fricking point, the point is that they have 124 spells to balance
No they don't. All the 'wacky' spells you're thinking of already don't affect bosses. >IF they balanced it for normal content, they will only put 2020 potency spells from now on for easier balancing.
THEY ALREADY DO, moron. Have you even looked at the fricking new additions?
10 months ago
Anonymous
>124 spells to balance
40 spells that every enemy is immune to
40 other spells that are reskinned 220 potency casts
44 other spells that are DPS spells
Can you tell me what they're balancing?
10 months ago
Anonymous
yeah, and they have to think for sastasha on how not letting a a party with 2 BLU to not immediately melt the fricking boss
See how braindead you sound?
10 months ago
Anonymous
>have a normal version of the job with a leveling kit >have a toggle for the current restricted monster mode with the spellbook that you unlock later
WHOA
I THINK I HAVE IT FIGURED OUT BROS!
10 months ago
Anonymous
the much bigger issue is you kiss BLU's easygoing spell progression goodbye in favor of level gates same as the other jobs imo
as in there wouldn't be any possibility or even any reason for BLU to learn fifty billion fluff spells and it'd be pared down to all the actually useful stuff for a set rotation like all other jobs and you'd get spells through quests or at certain levels
this is a non-negotiable part of BLU that would go missing
10 months ago
Anonymous
Just have the BLU system be for fun or some shit or access the carnival. BRD gets an entire fricking music system no other job can access.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Just
what part of "non-negotiable" did you not get
10 months ago
Anonymous
Oh wow well if I guess you say so then that's just how it goes. I guess the system they borrowed the customized loadout idea from doesn't matter at all.
10 months ago
Anonymous
tell the class how many of those you actually cast and aren't slotting for the stat shifts
10 months ago
Anonymous
Depends on what you're doing, and I'm also not going to let you try and dodge the point. XIV's customized loadout system was an attempt at emulating XI's, and XI's has minimum learn levels. You can't bring a level 1 BLU to Shinryu and have him learn Mighty Guard.
But speaking of the stat bonuses, that is also a big reason the customized loadouts worked. Because it gave you a reason to pick a fire cone AoE spell over an ice cone AoE spell, something XIV's version does not do. They're all pointless copypastes.
10 months ago
Anonymous
So why does BRD get an entire music system huh?
10 months ago
Anonymous
>BRD gets that >DNC doesn't get a dance system
10 months ago
Anonymous
I don't think BRD getting music is equivalent to hundreds of nothing spells and puzzle fights.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>An entire system that they had to both record and re-record and even update with guitar hero-esque sheet music and U.I. is not comparable to a bunch of copy pasted assets with different buttons for success.
Okay gay.
10 months ago
Anonymous
was that agreeing with him or not
10 months ago
Anonymous
>can you morons explain? how does fricking BLU have a normal dps caster kit with its fricking spellbook?
Can you play BLU before you keep saying moronic shit? Did you even look at the image in the post you linked, or do you just not know what any of the spells in the image are? BLU has a completely normal DPS caster kit, applying DoTs and jamming normal flat potency abilities into a 2 minute buff window, then spamming filler and using nukes on cooldown so they continue to align with the 2 minute buffs. It's as basic a fricking playstyle as you can get. >Firstly people will complain how the damage is lower than its minigame counterpart, then people will complain how it has a boring rotation.
That is already the case. BLU's damage on a fight timeline isn't anything out of the ordinary, it just has insane burst in the Moon Flute window and then shit all for damage outside of it, which balances out overall but lets you do heavy burn phases to skip things if you have an all-BLU party.
10 months ago
Anonymous
You dont play BLU lmao
You keep spouting shit as if the rotation makes it a normal job.
>That's not the fricking point, the point is that they have 124 spells to balance
No they don't. All the 'wacky' spells you're thinking of already don't affect bosses. >IF they balanced it for normal content, they will only put 2020 potency spells from now on for easier balancing.
THEY ALREADY DO, moron. Have you even looked at the fricking new additions?
You only think about muh missile and ultravibration. how the frick would you balance BLU to be a normal job with a customizable spellbook? if it is non customizable then the players would definitely complain you moronic Black person.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>You dont play BLU lmao
I'm playing it right now lmao >You keep spouting shit as if the rotation makes it a normal job.
Yeah, it does. And are you now going to pretend this wasn't what the reply chain was about? >how the frick would you balance BLU to be a normal job with a customizable spellbook?
It's already balanced, is my point. The customization doesn't affect anything and you can't even give examples of how it does. >if it is non customizable then the players would definitely complain
Why should I care? People are complaining because it's limited too, but strangely you don't see that as an issue. Customization is not a vital aspect of the BLU job fantasy. This whole customized loadout thing is entirely an attempt at emulating FFXI's system, yet at the same time it left out everything that made XI's system actually functional.
10 months ago
Anonymous
You should refer to
>124 spells to balance
40 spells that every enemy is immune to
40 other spells that are reskinned 220 potency casts
44 other spells that are DPS spells
Can you tell me what they're balancing?
Venat was dealt an extremely shitty hand and made the best of what she had and suffered immensely for it, then ultimately turbo died to the point where she doesn't even get to reincarnate ever. Meanwhile the Ascians cackle like cartoon villains while literally entire planets worth of people get genocided and grinded up into soul juice to pour back into the Source and people pat them on the back and say they did nothing wrong because Emet was le sad. Fricking hell people are moronic.
>Sex with buns
The only sex people who play this game have is with their hand. I don't get what you're getting at when these characters are nothing more than pixels at the end of the day.
Gerolt is an interesting character because whenever the game in EW wants to show class issues, he's the go to prole, and they do a good job of representing him as a capable but incredibly self-sabotaging person. In the Ameliace custom delivery quests for example, you have a set down with Mowena (middle class striver), Ameliace (aristocratic airhead), and Gerolt (prole degenerate) and it did all three justice.
I liked Gerolt's sit-down with Godbert for that reason, Gerolt can't actually articulate why the hell he hate rich c**ts and he's forced to concede that there isn't much separating him from, very specifically, Godbert as a creative and a worker.
I don't like Venat because the localization team bent over backwards to make seem like she can do no wrong. b***h leaves us to die in the 8th umbral future. All the dialogue options of "omg thank you mommy!" Made me sick. Thank God she's dead for good. >Trancer!!! You're a troony if you don't like mommy!
Shut up Black person.
People would have been a lot more amenable to her if the game and its narrative didn't bend over itself backwards to portray her as super saintly and good in spite of the fact that her actions functionally were no different from that of Athena, but instead of doing a creepy head tilt, Hydaelyn acts like she's your mother instead of the author of your and everyone else species suffering.
They'd be right though. Hydaelyn was always held in deep reverence by most of the cast so no shit they'd continue to do so when they weren't given reason not to. And if you want to claim this was a localization thing I expect to see some proof.
>This isn't the final step.
I looked into it further and compared to previous questlines it's pretty much wrapped up, and we know they're not going the extra mile on anything this expansion. The reskin for the brilliant tools is to be expected with the low quality, honestly.
>Skysteel tools >6 stages >Crystalline tools >5 stages so far
Hmm I wonder what this could possibly mean
10 months ago
Anonymous
The achievements give it away. He's absolutely right. Skysteel tools have two achievements for their quest line. Once you get your brilliant tool this time you get your second achievement of the questline, ending the entire thing, plus the cutscenes are very conclusively finished.
Each one for crafter and gatherer pretty much says everything is over now.
Sorry, but this is it. This is all we get.
I wish I was fricking with you, but this dogshit is all we're getting. Nothing is on it's way in 6.5 or even 6.55 with the splendorous tools. It's over.
almost all of the first step manderville weapons whoop ass
almost all of the second step manderville weapons WOULD whoop ass if they did have the glow by default, i'm hoping for a matte version to be added for them at some point
Is it ever indicated whether or not Venat knew that the battle between Hydaelyn and Zodiark would cause the sundering? Or if she knew that the sundered peoples would be weaker in aether, allowing them to manipulate dynamis? The story makes it seem like she planned all of this, knowing it would be needed in order for the people of Etheirys to eventually defeat the Endsinger.
Also, why is Elidibus able to manipulate dynamis (the limit break) while taking the form of the Warrior of Light?
>Also, why is Elidibus able to manipulate dynamis (the limit break) while taking the form of the Warrior of Light?
Because he's a primal, which is fueled by dynamis.
A side story where she talks to one of her followers shows that she had plans for it even before the calamity struck as she believed that the ancient society needed dramatic restructuring, the action was 100% premeditated. She didn't exactly know the fine print, but finding out later about the Meteia and the Final Days coming along probably only reinforced her ideas. You'd think that she would first attempt a less dramatic solution in an attempt to restructure the culture of their species, but it's a common thing with the ancients, they never did things by half measures, for good or ill.
>Also, why is Elidibus able to manipulate dynamis (the limit break) while taking the form of the Warrior of Light?
Ancients could still influence dynamis. All magic, including Ancient magic, is the manipulation of aether through emotion. A limit break is not a dynamis laser beam, it's an extreme rush of emotion which allows you to manipulate aether to levels which would normally be beyond you.
Nobody gives a frick you stupid Black person you keep making bait threads for the sole purpose of making these exact same fricking posts day after day. You are the only one who cares about this.
Trancers try to argue that the Third Sacrifice was just going to be plants and animals, despite the fact that
1. Half the Ancient population was morally opposed to the third sacrifice which led to such a degree of infighting that Elidibus had to seperate himself from Zodiark just to calm everyone down
2. Venat and everyone else who agreed with her explicity stated, as per Hythlo's shade, that they wanted the new life that was to be sacrificed to inherent the planet from their people. THis makes absolutely zero sense if the were anything otehr than people. They aren't gonna leave the planet to be inherited by fricking grass or axolotls
3. The ascians showed they have no moral issues with genociding entire planets so why should they (said ascians being the original convocation members who ordered the Third Sacrifice) have any moral issue with sacrificing actual non-ancient peoples against their will for the Third Sacrifice?
They were obviously gonna genocide actual people and Venat along with half the other Ancients had a moral objection to this which is part of what led to her decision to Sunder the world. She couldn't defeat Zodiark without resoring to Sundering him which had the unavoidable consequence of sundering ltierally everyone and everything else.
Holy frick Trancers are so fricking moronic I can't even. The story is so clearcut and they still don't get it.
You deleted your post just to try again without /misc/bait? How long are you going to keep shitting up these threads trying to make Ganker care about your homosexual fricking twitter crusade?
That basketball scene was the most hyped I've been since I finished the base story.
Since they've said they use the Hildibrand quests to test shit with animations and such do you think there's any hope for the WoL to actually do shit in cutscenes in the next expansion? I don't care if it's not class-specific, give me more shit like slam dunking, volleyballing, and punching people like in the Zenos fight, I swear I'll main MNK just so it feels right.
BLU would be a cool idea, but most of the different spells feel so shitty and the obvious core ones make the variety feel pointless. There's so much fricking elemental bloat for a game that has zero elemental weaknesses outside of BLU's puzzle fights.
>devs didn't even bother to make Ultimate Crossover check for Diamondback, instead just laughed and said frick BLU >sure as hell won't have the adjustments needed to do Pandaemonium in light of this
This was the last limited BLU update. The devs do not give a shit and the lack of Beastmaster or Puppetmaster since BLU came out two expansions ago proves that they considered limited jobs to be a failed concept. BLU breaks its limits next week with WESTWOLVES.
>DNC >New dance with steps, maybe Standard Step changing to a one step dance where the step chosen has some sort of additional effect (gaining a fourfold feather, boosting potency of next skill by you and dance partner by 20, etc) >Another one off heavy hit skill that you only get to use one every couple minues because frick making things interesting (even if i do love Starfall Dance)
>DRK >literally just Heavensward or Stormblood DRK >extra charge on Plunge, remove a couple oGCD abilities to consolidate them, remove Abyssal Drain to make Carve and Spit an AoE, don't add any lifedrain mechanics in its place
>GNB >actual Draw and Junction for tank utility (i.e. party defense or AoE regens and shit) and Zantetsuken Reversal added to PvP to instantly dab on Samurai LBs >remove Bow Shock and Sonic Break and make Renzokuken automatic
My ideal dream is just >GNB as it is now >DRK as it was in HW >WAR as it was in SB >PLD as it was in ShB or early EW
And I'll be happy forever.
>NIN >goes back to ROG roots and we get some cool knifeplay stuff, expanding the 1-2-3 combo and maybe get some thieving content tied to it >3rd AoE combo skill and a 60 seconds ogcd that has 700 potency because there is one GCD that doesnt have a weave in the TA window
>White Mage >healers to have 1 extremely potent support ability involving things like cheat death, aoe benediction, the ability to clear rez sickness, bestowing invulnerability, etc >Glare IV, Dia IV, Holy IV, another charge of Tetragrammaton, a trait that lowers the cooldown of capstone abilities
BLU level cap should move up at the start of a new expansion and new spells/duties should be added with .x patches correlating to when they were added in the previous expac (5.1 duties and appropriate spells are added with 6.1)
Venat seethers just assume the Ancients would have eventually figured everything out and that the rest of the fricking universe dying of to cosmic bird beams is ok so long as one singular planet in the entire cosmos could live in their little bubble forever (which isn't even guaranteed btw because the Endsinger was continuing to farm more despair in Ultima Thule).
>the fricking universe dying of to cosmic bird beams is ok so long as one singular planet in the entire cosmos could live in their little bubble forever
isn't the rest of the universe dead anyways thanks to Meteion. We survived because of Zodiark + speshul snowflake dynamis powers
Meteion goes to reseed the universe with hopeful dynamis from which life can rise again after we defeat the Endsinger. Our plan ultimately triggers the rebirth of the cosmos from her frickery.
yeah but we're hoping the life stream being returned to the planets she fricked will help let them become born anew. for now though our planets the only one with any sapient life.
dragons might be able to go back to their homeworld though i guess?
>Damn, I am the only one who knows about the sad murder bird swarm at the edge of the universe >lmao I guess I won't tell anyone and just let them all die/sunder them >I'm the good guy!!!!
kys
>start FFXI >holy shit it is crunchy >literally have to mod shit in to make it playable >Once you get your bearing it gets really fun >Story seems fine, so far I have been doing the Sandoria missions and they were doing a good job at making you explore the world, just like ARR did
I will say, the one thing it has is fricking amazing classes. Each one feels cool and different and the mix and match between sub and main job seems really fun. XIV really needs to get its shit together, just making increasingly convoluted DDR fights fricking sucks. Start working on jobs again to make those interesting.
The UI and the made for console control scheme are the biggest filters in the game, which is a shame since its one of the better MMOs on the market but will never enjoy the success it deserves
My biggest fear is of they introduce PUP into the game. That was my favorite class in XI and I cannot see the XIV devs do the frame and automation system any justice.
They did everything to make MCH, SCH and SMN pets non entities and basically just another button with slight delay. I can't see them adding a class that actually uses a pet mainly because that pet can be used to do their precious shitty savage fights in ways they didn't intend.
Wouldn't that be completely normal according to Venathomosexuals? Just accept that it happened and move on.
or maybe FFXIVgays are just losers that can barely handle a little bit of spice. How would you Black folk handle Elder Scrolls and their host of cosmic Gnostic/Hindu bullshit
This. I love ethnic tensions and racial hatred, even if it is stupid, it makes a setting believable, because people love being stupid. That's why the Gridanian start was my favorite.
This is the only rational answer, but Venathomosexuals love to trip over themselves to say that their mommy gooddess can do not wrong and she is totally all love and candy. She acted by the might makes right principle. She won, Zodiark lost,
Speaking of Barry I've actually seen him recently interacting with the Zodiark Trancers on twitter through his Persona-avatar accounts. Starting to think they have some connection....
wouldn't surprise me if that homosexual was coalition building.
>wouldn't surprise me if that homosexual was coalition building.
Here pic related. This is Barry in a twitter convo with a guy named @Basedhoodedman (previous @basedthundergod and @highlancowman), the twitter identity of notorious official FF forum troll Aveyond Dreams, who was outed as a member of the Zodiark Trancer discord a while back (suprising noone who knows him from the forums). On twitter Aveyond (now going by BasedHoodedman) follwos the same exact modus operandi as Barry, he seethes nonstop about FF14 and FF16 and unironically shills for luminous studios.
You can also check the hashtags of @basedhoodedman or @basedthundergod (his previous handle) and see Zodiark Trancer gays interacting with him.
Barry is 100% connected to the Trancer Black folk in what way I'm still not certain.
Yeha that Aveyond dude shilled hard for Forspoken when it came out over on the forums, where he would seethe about XIV on a daily basis. There is definitely some connection.
>Dude also *hates* Y'shtola any anyone who likes her. Guess the schizos who shitpost about her have something in common with him.
Oh yeah he said Y'shtola was a "3" and Magnai is a '10" and therefore cannot talk down to him like she did with her "Little Sun" diss. And then there was his "redesign" of her and Zero.
Yeha that Aveyond dude shilled hard for Forspoken when it came out over on the forums, where he would seethe about XIV on a daily basis. There is definitely some connection.
>Dude also *hates* Y'shtola any anyone who likes her. Guess the schizos who shitpost about her have something in common with him.
Oh yeah he said Y'shtola was a "3" and Magnai is a '10" and therefore cannot talk down to him like she did with her "Little Sun" diss. And then there was his "redesign" of her and Zero.
He also has literal aids and will die soon fortunately.
>of notorious official FF forum troll Aveyond Dreams, who was outed as a member of the Zodiark Trancer discord a while back >he sent me a tell about joining a discord server related to xiv lore around a year ago
Woah, I was cool enough to sit at the trancer's table?!
>Probably part of their discord then, and added it to their repetiore of shitposting.
Trancers are all doomposters, the same group of people that seethe about the game nonstop and say it's dead and dying. They, like Barry, just hate the game, the people who play it and the people behind it. So naturally they formed an unholy alliance. They've even allied with that /vg/ pedophile Macchiatto. Literlaly just go on twitter and seethe about XIV in any way and Barry or the Trancers ill recruit you into their fold. That's probably how Emetanon managed to infiltrate them before.
>Venat genocided the ancients
where did this meme come from? she just sundered them, she didn't kill an entire population. otherwise, who the frick would be left to inhabit every shard if the sundering was fatal? there wouldn't be anyone on the First or the Thirnteenth or any other shard
We'll get the name of the expansion, update on graphics, then pick 2 of the following:
>name of the 24 man raid >name of the 8 man raid >one of the two new jobs >screenshots of the new zones with no context >one of the beast tribes and their associated trial >update on hroth-gals >a vague hint at a new gold saucer game
Also, yoshi-p's shirt will be wildly misinterpreted
>update on hroth-gals
I low key want to say we will see a Hroth girl in 6.5 as part of the MSQ or 24man somewhere. I think they did the same with Viera and AuRa?
I'm not even joking when i say that expansion releases are one of the things i look forward to the most in life. It's a simple thing but it's just so much fun. I was there on day one for every single one of XIV's expansions so far, and each time i played for like 3 days straight like a madman and it's just always so good. Exploring new areas, new story, new abilities, but more than anything the atmosphere of everyone discovering and experiencing new things together. Day 1 of Heavensward is one of my favorite gamimg memories of all time, i remember everyone being at level 50 and we tried to gather like 30 people to take down the Coerthas Western Highlands A rank and it just fricking killed everyone
at the end of the day, i'm not an ancient, i'm a lalafell, and Hydalyn directly saved my life several times. Why would I side with the dudes who keep trying to kill me and my friends over the person who saved my life? It's a very perverse worldview.
>Ancients get so assmad that Azem didn't join them (not even throwing in with Venat but simply going his own way like he pretty much always did on everything ever) that they completely memory holed him
Bunch of b***hes, deserved to die
she's going to go down the path of Rydia (whisked off to another realm and come back powered up) or Terra (embraces the power of emotion and becomes a powerful caster with a 'trance' form)
It did. This guy posts the exact same fricking pictures alongside the exact same fricking posts in nearly the same fricking order on a regular basis. He is completely fricking obsessed with this trancer shit and desperately wants Ganker to care about it so he can get attention for his writeups.
>Why is it that literally 100% of people who hate Venat and what she did are all Ascian fanboys?
It's almost like they have a bias or something that's affecting their judgement of her hmmm......
I have no attachment to any particular people in all of FFXIV because they're all boring and gay, and I still think Venat is moron race traitor from a completely neutral standpoint
>and I still think Venat is moron race traitor from a completely neutral standpoint
Race is meaningless in a setting where your race is only temporary and you can end up as a completely different race in the next life. Why would I feel any care or attachment to my race as say an Elezen when the next life I could be reborn as a fricking lalafell?
>Why would I feel any care or attachment to my race as say an Elezen when the next life I could be reborn as a fricking lalafell?
1. because you should live every life as if it was your only one instead of being a pseudo-Buddhist homosexual about it
2. if I was reincarnated into a lala, a Mhigger or a Doman I would immediately kill mysel
Because it's a problem that was created by Venat? Back then there was only one race, the ancients. Sure, they came in different skin tones and shapes and whatnot, but it was irrelevant since they could just transform to be whatever they wanted? I'd say being able to choose is much better than having things forced on you.
The Xaela always get reborn as Xaela if the Dotharl's belief system is accurate so I dunno about that. Then again all WOL's are implied to be the reincarnation of Tenzen, a male hyur (regardless of your character's race or gender) so.......
The fascist regimes are the most effective means of causing as much chaos and destruction as possible with any civilization, it was a pretty effective tool for their ends.
Mots ascianstans are unabashed Garleangays, they just switched to stanning the Ascians after Garlemald got BTFO'd. The only thing the Garleans and the Ancients have in common (and what also sets them apart from player races) is that they're racially homogenous as societies. This is what primarily attracts these homosexuals. They mostly come from WoW where fantasy racist RP is an actual thing because the whole game is centred around racial/factional pride. Unlike this game, where every player race lives in a melting pot and has no unique culture or society of their own, not even racial stats or traits that matter.
>Garleans >racially homogeneous
The whole point of Garlemald is that it invaded and forcibly brought other races into its government. Their highest ranking ambassador was a Doman. Garlemald is the exact opposite of racially homogeneous.
Is that what you think you did before? I don't know how you can look at a fricking government dedicated to integrating foreigners into their society and say that they're racially homogeneous. You're absolutely insane.
Next he'll be saying that Garlemald wasn't a blatant Nazi standin.
They're not. Garlemald doesn't want to cleanse other races, they want to force them to become Garlean.
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I literally did you moron and you're bringing up the same points. They did not "integrate foreigners" they had satellite colonies.
A fascist state is literally two things.
1. An authoritarian dictatorship
2. Ultranationalist
That's it, garlemald was literally and unironically a fascist state simply because of these two things.
Even if you have a monarchy that does not exempt you from it being an authoritarian dictatorship.
As a matter of fact MOST monarchies are authoritarian dictatorships.
So you've already lost there.
Do you wanna try on the ultranationalist point?
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>They did not "integrate foreigners"
They literally did. We've seen as many foreigners in high ranking government positions as we have racial Garleans. The entire stated goal of Garlemald was to bring other nations and races under their wing and integrate them culturally. >That's it, garlemald was literally and unironically a fascist state
Yes it was. That point was not in question. The point in question is their racial homogeneity.
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They didn't, foreigners were military personnel often consigned to stewardship under a garlean house.
No foreigner could ever reach a status in the military that would actually effect it's political agenda.
>The point in question is their racial homogeneity.
You STILL lose on this point because garlemald did not have equal seperate states. They had colonies, you might have a point if there were heads of state or elected official at the upper echelon of politics who were not pure blooded garlean.
But every instance of "foreigners" in the state is expressed purely through military campaign.
Their policy was literally to conscript the locals and have them fight each other kek.
Even when we got to garlemald the only non-pure bloods we see or even non-garleans are fricking the forced labor miners LMAO.
This isn't even touching the fact 90% of conscripts end up fricking dead or MIA before even a year of service in the military. Either killed by the garlean elites who rule over them or dead during their tour.
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>No foreigner could ever reach a status in the military that would actually effect it's political agenda.
Asahi.
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Asahi is literally a FOREIGN WARTIME AMBASSADOR. Try again moron and read carefully.
He only exists in the context of WARTIME NEGOTIATIONS with their SATELLITE COLONY.
moronbro.
He is not an elected official that overseas any actual position of meaning like with a legatus.
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Anonymous
>He is not an elected official that overseas any actual position of meaning like with a legatus.
Such as Basch van Gabranth, the Hyuran Legatus from the nation of Landis, and his son Noah van Gabranth?
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>WARTIME NEGOTIATIONS with their SATELLITE COLONY.
Yes, and he affects the political agenda of Garlemald, see his whole deal with Hien and Yotsuyu.
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It really doesn't, literally the entire point of asahi was that he was so unnecessary that he only came out of probably being raped by his adopted father because zenos died.
Garlemald did not parley with any country. You either bent the knee and became a satellite colony or you died.
Mostly because WoL wasn't around.
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>No foreigner could ever reach a status in the military that would actually effect it's political agenda.
Basch, Noah, Asahi, Menenius. >you might have a point if there were heads of state or elected official at the upper echelon of politics who were not pure blooded garlean.
Basch, Noah, and Asahi.
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>He is not an elected official that overseas any actual position of meaning like with a legatus.
Such as Basch van Gabranth, the Hyuran Legatus from the nation of Landis, and his son Noah van Gabranth?
There's my smart cookies and how did they achieve those positions? was it through...military subjugation and swearing fealty to the...authoritarian crown who is....pure blooded garlean? or was it through..election by their peers?
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Garlemald as it exists in its current form is only 80 years old, only reaching beyond Ilsabard around 50 years ago. And as young as it is, there are already high ranking officials of other races. They were literally importing foreign kids to the capital to get educations, such as Asahi and Misija. The nature of Garlemald integrating foreigners into its society by force means that foreigners will hold positions of power, and that would only increase as time goes on. It is not racially homogeneous. You can not say that Garlemald as a society values racial homogeneity when everything it does is in the name of making other races join it by force. You really, really want to make Garlemald into nazis but they're just not.
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>And as young as it is, there are already high ranking officials of other races
There are TWO, no the military chaff do not count at all. Now please stop flailing wildly what is the process by which they gained those stations? do you mind telling me? what is garlemalds policy for integrating peoples of other races? specifically non-garleans?
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>what is garlemalds policy for integrating peoples of other races? specifically non-garleans?
Conscripting them into the military which grants they and their families citizenship.
10 months ago
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>Conscripting them into the military
Yes >which grants they and their families citizenship.
BZZZT
aan: Peregrinus, slaves and people of annexed territories. Citizenship may be granted for a display of exceptional skill or serving in the military for 20 years or more.
SO in short they have to be serving for TWENTY YEARS of military duty, before qualifying to be a citizen.
Of course not counting them having some elevated position IN ANNEXED TERRITORY such as their satellite state of origin.
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Meanwhile we have Fordola, Asahi, and Misija who are all citizens. Fordola isn't even 20 years old.
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Uh huh, none of them are high ranking officials. As a matter of fact fordola is literally.
>Of course not counting them having some elevated position IN ANNEXED TERRITORY such as their satellite state of origin.
also
>Fordola isn't even 20 years old >Fordola >Citizen
Lol, moron you are proving my point you realize this right? her citizenship was literally dependent on her serving in the military and was only possible because she was the child of a military and was decided BY A PURE BLOODED GARLEAN LEGATUS. Do think this is the standard? do you think this is just how 58% of garleans get their citizenship or something?
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*Child of a dignitary
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Fordola is a citizen because she was born in an imperial province
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Anonymous
Nope, moron who didn't play the game. She was literally granted her status by gaius when HE was in charge of ala mhigo which was CONTINGENT on her being in the crania lupis.
Try again.
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Oh nononononono
Nope, moron who didn't play the game. She was literally granted her status by gaius when HE was in charge of ala mhigo which was CONTINGENT on her being in the crania lupis.
Try again.
10 months ago
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Nope and wrong her father was dignitary just actually play the game or watch cutscenes. She and the other wolves were granted citizenship by gaius for being in the crania lupis.
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?t=399
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nothing to say? thats right, slink back to your discord
that doesn't look like its from the game itself, as you wanted here
Nope and wrong her father was dignitary just actually play the game or watch cutscenes. She and the other wolves were granted citizenship by gaius for being in the crania lupis.
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Anonymous
And this
https://youtu.be/j9YeTiw5LDw?t=399
doesn't specify actual garlean citizenship and
is from a book that is blatantly wrong and has been retconned already.
Actually watch the SB cutscenes you dumbfrick, her dad was a dignitary who collaborated with garleans.
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so why would fordola's mother be asking her to not join the army because she was already a citizen if she wasn't a citizen because she hadn't joined the army to become a citizen yet?
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Because she is not a garlean citizen, She has no aan. Lol she is an elevated savage in her satellite colony like I said.
10 months ago
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I have no stake in this argument, I just wanted to chime in and let you know you sound like a gay.
10 months ago
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nothing to say? thats right, slink back to your discord
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>lala cultist accusing anyone of being from a discord
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>No foreigner could ever reach a status in the military that would actually effect it's political agenda.
The IVth Legion was literally led by a foreigner, who was the son of the previous leader, who was also a foreigner.
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I've only read your post, but if you're arguing that Monarchy or Oligarchy in a fantasy setting is abnormal then you're a fricking moron, lmao. Garlemald is a meritocracy with cutthroat politics. That it's heavy handed or has slaves is irrelevant.
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Has nothing to do with either, I'm arguing that it is a fascist state.
Which it is, it is ultranationalist and authoritarian.
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Fricking and? You can't avoid hierarchy in settings where people can kill dozens or more. That's just how it works.
>They mostly come from WoW where fantasy racist RP is an actual thing because the whole game is centred around racial/factional pride. Unlike this game, where every player race lives in a melting pot and has no unique culture or society of their own, not even racial stats or traits that matter.
that's good though, frick your melting pots. I never met a single soul who actually cares about the various city states in Eorzea while in actual good RPGs you have intense pseudo-nationalist shitposting for years upon years. Because of this XIVgays are the most sheltered pathetic fanbase I've ever seen while old WoWgays are extraordinary shitposters
It's funny because the game itself treats pseudo-nationalism as something you are supposed to grow out of. You start by working for one of the three cities, then you join Ishgard, then the continent, then the whole world.
One world government monocultures are always depicted as bad in FFXIV. What FFXIV depicts is that nations can maintain their unique qualities and cultures and still work together. You don't need to become a melting pot, you just need to not be invasive homosexuals.
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man what the frick are you smoking you moronic ass homie drooling ass homie b***h?
10 months ago
Anonymous
Try again but speak like a human this time.
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go frick your dad in the shit
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are you moronic you go anywhere you get a muttistan-tier hodge-podge of different races. The only outliers are Ishgard and Ala Mhigo and those people are outright considered backwards reactionary meanies
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Racially the game is all melting pots, but all of those countries have very strong cultures. The main enemy for most of the game is an invasive monoculture that demands its subjects abandon all aspects of their culture because culture leads to religion and religion leads to primals. Then when you start getting into the Ancients, you also find out that they were a conformist monoculture. And all the societies that failed against Meteion? Monocultures. The primary advantage of the sundered is their cultural diversity.
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Limsa, Ul'dah and Gridania have cultures, but they're fricking boring. There's no spice involved. Compare that to Warcraft where you start as a human and you're putting down a popular uprising at the behest of a noble family or the undead where your job is to literally hunt down the last humans of your kingdom and turn them into undead like you. Meanwhile you have israelites, pirates and treehuggers and they're all BFFs
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Warcraft cultures sucks. They used to be a lot better, but got nerfed. I played troll and I am annoyed at how we became the token black friend of the horde over time.
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>There's no spice involved.
Did you just not play the fricking game, moron? Did you miss Gridania's rampant, religiously-enforced racism and political issues? Ul'dah literally being a coin-based government in which the local church summons demons? Limsa Lominsa being a city of pirates kept under thumb by threat of force and also getting stabbed in the back by a shadow police of rogues? I could go into further detail about all of them just from early game quests.
I really can't blame them for latching on to groups like Garlemald or The Ancients. THe player races are fricking boring as sin because of their total lack of racial or cultural identity. It's one thing WoW unironically did right over XIV.
Mots ascianstans are unabashed Garleangays, they just switched to stanning the Ascians after Garlemald got BTFO'd. The only thing the Garleans and the Ancients have in common (and what also sets them apart from player races) is that they're racially homogenous as societies. This is what primarily attracts these homosexuals. They mostly come from WoW where fantasy racist RP is an actual thing because the whole game is centred around racial/factional pride. Unlike this game, where every player race lives in a melting pot and has no unique culture or society of their own, not even racial stats or traits that matter.
Viera have a clear culture
Xaela have a clear culture
Roes have a clear culture
Ishgardian elezens have a clear culture
that's FFXIV's fault for making every single nation that isn't Ishgard painfully fricking boring and lifeless. Look at TES, Warhammer or Warcraft, fantasy racism is fun.
>that's FFXIV's fault for making every single nation that isn't Ishgard painfully fricking boring and lifeless. Look at TES, Warhammer or Warcraft, fantasy racism is fun.
Could that have something to do with Japan's culture of comfority or something? Only the bad guys get to have actual culture.
It's best not think about EW's shitty story, according to it we need to be nuked each year or we will stagnate like the allagans, except not really because the allag empire was made by an ancient and that totally matter for some reason even though they starting stagnating on their on way after his death.
>Skyrim threads
Stormcloakgays and Imperialgays have fun bants with each other >Fallout threads
NCRgays, Enclavegays, Legiongays and Housegays all make good points without schizoposting >FFXIVgays
NOOOOOOO MOMMY VENAT IS PERFECT DON'T SAY ANYTHING BAD EVER ABOUT HER
AHHHHHHHH MUH FUJO FRIEND EMET WAS A GOOD BOI HE DINDU NUFFIN
>why are JRPiGs so juvenile
You can not even imagine how incredibly autistic the detritus of this community is. Saying one wrong thing can trigger some sperg out there to go full on stalking you. It is incredible the hair trigger some people have about this game.
>Stormcloakgays and Imperialgays have fun bants with each other
Nah, it's always autistic shitflinging in either direction. >NCRgays, Enclavegays, Legiongays and Housegays all make good points without schizoposting
Same here.
Any Ganker faction tribalism discussion is always filled with schizoposting because people get moronic and ignore the actual plot and story of the game to defend their favorite faction. It is particularly bad in XIV, though, you're right, but that's largely because one faction is provably populated by deranged Discord psychos.
>kills at least 17 planets (source: the final area of The Dead Ends is named The 17th End) >"thank you for riding out my meltdown and giving me a hug afterwards, I'm gonna fly off with my sisters now"
If it wasn't for her being a literal AI with zero free will that was just following Hermes' shitty prompt I'd be upset with what she "got away with"
>I'm gonna fly off with my sisters now
What sisters? We fricking murdered them all, you goddamn moron. Meteion (singular) is the last remaining birb, and she's happy again.
Her words implied she was gonna die. Then she just appears as a bird at the end. Eihter this is yet another classic Ishikawa fakeout death, or that bird isn't literally her but just born of her or something.
I personally headcannon her as dead because she by all rights should be but whatever.
Meteion (our meteion, the one survivor) finished her mission by learning the answer to Hermes' question. She's probably aware that he's gone and has to be reborn, unless she can find him in the lifestream itself after Asahi drug him down.
She's also aware that she wouldn't be welcome pretty much anywhere in the universe, and that we may be the only individual in the entire universe that wouldn't kill her on sight. So her silently shadowing us I feel is what would fit her character best
>Ganker hates Zodiark Trancers and loves Venat >Reddit hates Zodiark Trancers and loves Venat >Twitter hates Zodiark Trancers and loves Venat >Literally the entire world hates Trancers and loves Venat
You'd think at some point these morons would self-reflect and think to themselves "is it just us? Are we actually wrong?"
or maybe FFXIVgays are just losers that can barely handle a little bit of spice. How would you Black folk handle Elder Scrolls and their host of cosmic Gnostic/Hindu bullshit
I handle Elder Scroll's shroomed up schizo lore just fine. I'd say XIV's lore has its own level of schizo, it's just actually told directly to you in the game so it doesn't seem as cracked out as Kirkbride's wild ride.
TES leans more heavily on Gnosticism and Hindu shit, but FFXIV does have its own share of Gnostic shit, and leans more heavily on the Japanese bipolar appreciation of Buddhism and Shintoism despite the two being diametrically opposed. Which gives it its own interesting flavor.
It's entirely fair to say that Venat is basically the Gnostic Demiurge, but in a GOOD way, because FFXIV has the distinctly Shintoist and Absurdist stance that despite all of the suffering and pain in life that it is undeniably beautiful and worth experiencing despite its lack of innate meaning. The Ascians are basically their own kind of brand of Sophia's true knowledge, because they know that the Sundered life is kind of just a shadow of what it once was, so they're opposed to the Demiurge (Venat).
But, again, because FFXIV leans on a more positive/Absurdist and Shintoist interpretation of life (as opposed to the Gnostic/Buddhist interpretation that life is suffering, shitty, and worse than oblivion), the Demiurge is the good guy and the people opposing creation are the bad guys (with Endsinger being born from the despair of life and serving as a road to oblivion, to reach a level of non-existence that Buddhism would hold preferable).
TL;DR: Japs are schizos about if life is worth living because their culture's main religions are diametrically opposed on that front.
except in most Jap media the Demiurge is evil and monstrous because ????
unlike Abrahamics who believe that both creation and the world of the spiritual are good, Japs have cognitive dissonance and as a result all their games are moronic hypocritical gobblediasiatic
Because they're literally copying Gnosticism, in which the Demiurge is evil and monstrous. Or because they're leaning on tropes that, to them, are interestingly foreign religious things because their culture didn't have a lot of influence from Christianity, Gnosticism, and Zoroastrianism until relatively recently. And, again, because they do have Buddhist influence in their culture, so they probably relate that to the Gnostic interpretation, which gives the whole "God is bad for making life" thing.
A lot of stories that go to this level of engaging with life's value get into cognitive dissonance schizo shit, though. Because that's what half of the philosophy about it is, anyways. It's why it's been such a heated topic of philosophical debate for centuries.
It's pretty stupid to call the absurd "schizo shit". There's nothing "schizo" about realizing that you are at odds with yourself if you exist as a sentient being because there's no actual reason for your existence other than the fact that you haven't yet died and just happen to realize that.
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I think debating the merit of your own existence is inherently kind of schizophrenic. Not in a bad way, necessarily, but it's why debates about the topic always sound so autistic and stupid and get really confusing. It's innately based on cognitive dissonance and arguing against what you naturally feel (the urge to survive and thrive) and what logically makes sense (there's no inherent meaning in life). That only gets worse when you try to bring religious explanations of things into it (i.e. life was only created by a cruel demiurge). There's no way to not make discussing that sort of theme not sound schizo.
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I don't think so at all, because schizophrenia is a mental illness. There's nothing mentally ill about a mind questioning itself. And I wasn't talking about merits, but about reasons. Merit implies a value judgment of some sort. You are of course correct that people that are unfit to handle these topics do sound like fricking idiots when they and talk about them at length.
>It's entirely fair to say that Venat is basically the Gnostic Demiurge
Venat is actually the Gnostic Lucifer, aka Prometheus. Her name, Venus, is in reference to her role as Lucifer. In FFXII Venat was a classically Luciferian figure, but in XIV she's a Gnostic Lucifer who leads man to eat from the tree and gain the wisdom, the 'fire of the gods'. That's also why they refer to dynamis as being 'torn from the heavens', as a nod to Prometheus.
I handle Elder Scroll's shroomed up schizo lore just fine. I'd say XIV's lore has its own level of schizo, it's just actually told directly to you in the game so it doesn't seem as cracked out as Kirkbride's wild ride.
TES leans more heavily on Gnosticism and Hindu shit, but FFXIV does have its own share of Gnostic shit, and leans more heavily on the Japanese bipolar appreciation of Buddhism and Shintoism despite the two being diametrically opposed. Which gives it its own interesting flavor.
It's entirely fair to say that Venat is basically the Gnostic Demiurge, but in a GOOD way, because FFXIV has the distinctly Shintoist and Absurdist stance that despite all of the suffering and pain in life that it is undeniably beautiful and worth experiencing despite its lack of innate meaning. The Ascians are basically their own kind of brand of Sophia's true knowledge, because they know that the Sundered life is kind of just a shadow of what it once was, so they're opposed to the Demiurge (Venat).
But, again, because FFXIV leans on a more positive/Absurdist and Shintoist interpretation of life (as opposed to the Gnostic/Buddhist interpretation that life is suffering, shitty, and worse than oblivion), the Demiurge is the good guy and the people opposing creation are the bad guys (with Endsinger being born from the despair of life and serving as a road to oblivion, to reach a level of non-existence that Buddhism would hold preferable).
TL;DR: Japs are schizos about if life is worth living because their culture's main religions are diametrically opposed on that front.
You guys are way too smart to be posting on Ganker
I guess I could see that, too, yeah, I was just thinking from the perspective that Venat is basically the creator god of existence as it is in the setting. The comparison to Venat in XII does have that Promethean thing of a rebellious god that protected mankind/gifted mankind what they needed to thrive. It's probably not a 1:1, either way, because XIV references a lot of different philosophy, including Platonic ideals and shit, while also juggling references to other games.
godwin's law proven yet again. you guys will take this bait every single fricking time. you can only pretend to be a moron for so long before you actually become one so don't give me that 'its ironic' shit
They really didn't bother putting any more budget into this fricking expansion and it shows. Frick me I could have bought some beer instead of subbing today.
She did attack you to test you one final time and commit suicide by you. It's all good if you won that fight, but if we assume she would show you no mercy, then she would have killed you and simply waited for another incarnation of WoL to come.
>She did attack you to test you one final time and commit suicide by you. It's all good if you won that fight, but if we assume she would show you no mercy, then she would have killed you and simply waited for another incarnation of WoL to come.
What? She said explicity that she wanted you to flee on the moon if you lost, she wasn't going to kill you, moron.
She literally says that if you can't beat her, then you must use the moon to flee instead. Zodiark is dead, there's no "waiting for another WoL", and she obviously had no interest in killing you.
She wasn't even committing suicide really, she was at death's door either way, at most it hastened the process, but her intention was always to give you what remained of her power if you won.
So long as I'm Hyur, that's enough. The fact that Au Ra girls literally have their romantic legend being the love of their princess with a Hyur man... literally built for crossbreeding.
Incorrect, midlanders are eastern hyurs are different races, they only look the same because SE is lazy with character models
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and eastern hyurs*
10 months ago
Anonymous
>midlanders are eastern hyurs are different races
Eastern Hyurs are an offshoot of Midlanders that migrated east during the fall of Allag and brought ninjutsu and the knowledge of aetherytes with them.
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10 months ago
Anonymous
Thread is about to die, but Heaven on High mostly. Note in CT how the Allagans already had ninjutsu. Heaven on High was constructed by Allagan refugees who established the onishishu to keep the secrets of technology such as the aetherytes. Shinryu is also their memory of Midgardsormr.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Shinryu is also their memory of Midgardsormr.
You mean Niddhogg, cutscene skipper
10 months ago
Anonymous
Wrong. Ilberd summoned a Midgardsormr primal, bud.
10 months ago
Anonymous
That doesn't mean they built hingashi, there are also snow Black person hyur tribes north of garlemald who apparently tormented them, those had nothing to do with allag or eorzea
>Make fun of Hyur
No reaction >Make fun of Miqo
No reaction >Make fun of Elezen
No reaction >Make fun of literally any other race
No reaction >Make fun of Lala's
A bunch of hyper defensive morons start spamming the thread, usually with porn.
Something, something, trance. Aren’t there any new topics to argue over?
shes hot
She's a good gray character that the dialogue writer bends over backwards to white knight
Is Y'shtola the hottest character in all of FFXIV history?
GRAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH MOMMIESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
YARRRARRARARARARRARARARRARARARARARAARRARARARARARARARRARARA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes.
Built for Apophis wieners.
No that was either MSQ Lahabrea, Asahi or that crazy guy from the Weapon plotline. For all intents Emet was more evil than Venat.
I like Y'shtola but honestly I wouldn't put her in the top 5. This is especially true if we count bosses.
I genuinely don't see why she's so popular. Like yeah she has some good banter here and there and there are few relevant female characters these days but she's really not special.
She's been around for pretty much the whole game despite having little screentime for much of it and as you said, is one of the few relevant females who are still around, probably the only one who distinctly looks like a female. Simply put, there's slim pickings for waifugays so she's kind of the one most default to.
Yes, but not for the reasons you'd think.
She is a woman I would marry without a second thought. Loyal and honest, always having your back. I will always appreciate her for being the only one who wasn't going "Adventure Ho!" in the first upon seeing how fricking battered (you) were with all the Lightwarden Aether.
She doesnt have breasts that big
She does have a really juicy ass tho.
No she doesn't, she has the same flat pancake ass of every miqote
Offmodel headcanon gays OUT
Nope, I am here to stay anon. And with me Shtola's big booty.
big shtola booty
Coom aside, in terms of power, how strong is she? Just your standard BLM but with a lot of theoretical magic knowledge?
No, she's the most loving. A martyr for all her children.
Nope, that would be Yugiri.
Based Yugiri chad
IS THAT?!?!?
>Her body doesn't look like that
>That's not her personality
>She's almost certainly used goods, long before ARR
>She's so old that WoL can't have kids with her, without an enormous risk of down syndrome
If you really want moron babies, surely F'lahminn is the one to go for? We're at least canonically told she's super hot, rather than just headcanon like Y'shtola.
Y'shtola could still be a virgin, anon.
She could be, but that doesn't change the fact that her eggs are wrecked by age. Why would you want a wife you can't have healthy children with?
is ffxiv good for someone that has never played an mmo before? how long is it before the story gets good?
It's less of an MMO and more of a singleplayer JRPG with MMO combat and multiplayer combat arenas
If you like slow, lore-heavy stuff then you'll be fine. If you end up wanting to rush through or skip things then you probably won't like it; there's not really a magical point where the quality goes from 0 to 100. The other anon is right about it playing like a singleplayer JRPG with MMO combat.
>there's not really a magical point where the quality goes from 0 to 100
Realm Reborn is shit
Heavensward is a bullet of fresh air after the shit
I played through ARR as a sprout last year and it was great IF you like the idea of being a hero traveling the world to save it.
The only part that really sucks is post ARR before HW starts.
Haven't played it yet myself but from what I'm hearing playing XVI first seems like a good test to see if you'll enjoy XIV.
It's mostly a single-player experience with some co-op sections. You also sometimes see other people running around and pay a monthly subscription fee.
story gets good in the content they added to the game in between the base game and the first expansion, that's why the expansion is included in the trial
I miss the days that you troons knew your place and stayed in >>>/vg/
janny applications are closed Barry
yea, another ff troon thread!
btw, this character is ugly and even its proportion are fricked
ancients have long necks its lore accurate
also what does ff have to do with trannies afaik there aren't even any gay people in that game much less transgenders
>>>/vg/
How do I apply the femhroth mod to just my character? All the other miqo's have it
Why does Old Sharlayan look like a flat unity map with store bought assets?
Because it is
>All races dick/vegana sizes are balanced out so that everyone can frick everyone
This better include the ancients too
pencil neck looking ass
Whatever happened to that autist that swore on his life for an entire thread that Bozja and eureka were fully dead at all times? Man claimed it took him months to get through Anemos
>Game is so stale the arguments need to be rehashed
What the frick are you talking about, schizo?
OP is clearly baiting an argument about the zodiark trancers for the millionth time, the second dude felt the need to bring up shitflinging from a previous thread like we're on fricking /vg/.
A negative OP is the only way it goes under the radar of the autistic WoW janny who deletes XIV threads on sight. Where have you been?
That isn't true at all, stop making excuses for homosexual OP's.
>That isn't true at all
The janny just nuked a different thread just now for no reason
Actually, they poisoned it with autosage
He's right, you are new
Janny apologists lmao
It depends on the janitor but as rule-of-thumb yes there is no actual necessity for a negative OP, people just want an easy in for shitting on the game. Coincidentally there's less troll interest in general when the OP isn't negative, and threads tend to stay more civil; this is true even when the OP is on-topic but negative, or off-topic but positive.
She singlehandedly erased a civilization filled with pretentious douchebags. She's alright in my book.
if eiping out all humans would savethe climate I woulds do it too
>pretentious douchebags
>NNNOOOOOOO they didn't feel sorry for the murderous red fenrir's going around killing the innocent animals
Jesus Christ...
When are this Emet-dick sucking morons gonna get over it already? Venat won, even their daddy admitted she was right and did nothing wrong. Get the frick over it holy shit.
Zodiark Trancers are the new form of Barry. They will literally never stop, even 10 years from now when this game shuts down they will still be crying about "Genocydaelyn"
>even their daddy admitted she was right
He only admitted that the ancients couldn't have solved the problem, not that she was right to have done what she had, which is why he chose to kill himself rather than live reanimated by her magic because he hated her so much. There's kind of a degree in there between "Dammit, we could not have solved this" and "I am glad you destroyed our civilization!"
>ascians commit mass suicide to stop the chaos
>ascians then prepare to commit mass genocide
>venat stops them
>omg venat is a genocider
this is so moronic i'm betting some youtube shithead started
>it is rational to destroy your race because they wanted to engage in the equivalent of cattle farming and agriculture to sustain their devastated civilization
We know the real reason Venat did it - to preserve the timeloop instead of creating a diverging timeline, so you could at least try and use the actual argument.
you feign an understanding and empathy towards a species that committed mass suicide in order to save a star from oblivion yet lack the wherewithal to understand the massive loss of life it would take on the planet for them to in turn undo their own sacrifice, and worse yet don't make the connection that if they were able to do so they would be betraying their guiding tenet as a society that has the power to play god. your outrage fake, your empathy borrowed, your opinion given to you. remove your stain from public discourse until you are capable of thinking for yourself
> your outrage fake, your empathy borrowed, your opinion given to you.
Huffing your own farts pretty hard there, Emetgay. Just post the link to your writeups already so you can stop shitting up the thread.
You can stop samegayging and can return to your discord
Correct, the Ancients betrayed their one sole reason as a society: the salvation of the Star for entirely selfish reasons. Venat in this sense stayed true to her people's ideals by Sundering the world to save it. And it worked out.
>self-preservation is entirely selfish
uh, yeah
it's kinda right there in the name, SELF-preservation
their society was fine, only half their number was snackrificed
They had already achieved self-preservation, the sacrifice plan was wanting to pretend that nothing bad had actually happened
If you have an opportunity to save everyone you love at the cost of no-name homosexuals you have no attachment to, you should take it. I don't wanna hear it from this gay ass fanbase that would have a meltdown if their precious fujocat ever actually died.
>If you have an opportunity to save everyone you love at the cost of no-name homosexuals
At the cost of completely fricking up the flow of the Lifestream and turning your back on the foundational principles of your society, you mean. What happened bro I thought dying was great because you get to continue the cycle and start a new life?
The ancients put the Star above themselves, to suddenly betray this to bring back their dead loved ones is peak hypocrisy. They, as a collective, did not care about themselves so much as they did the star itself. They quite literally killed themselves when they had nothing they could further contribute to the Star. That is how little they valued themselves. When faced with a calamity they suddenly changed their minds and betrayed their sole purpose as a people. They were hypocrites and Venat was one of the ones who kept to their people's ideals.
By her people's own moral perspective Venat literally did nothing wrong.
then I assume your b***h ass would be entirely willing to let every Hyur, Miqo'te, Elezen, etc die to preserve the fricking beast tribe Black folk?
false equivalence
plenty of Ancients were still around living just fine, they just wanted to have their cake and eat it too
until Venat sundered all of them and destroyed the rest of them. You like her because she preserved you at the cost of her own people, but if we ever had to deal with a Venat 2.0 who decided Hyur et al. needed to go, you'd hate the vile b***h
>Venat sundered all of them and destroyed the rest of them
and if they had just accepted the sacrifice they had made and lived with it, that never would have happened
you're simping for mentally weak frick-ups
>you're simping for mentally weak frick-ups
you fricking imbecile, Eorzea was EXACTLY the same during the time of the Allagan Empire. Imagine if they had their own Venat. All sentient life on Eorzea would be gone because of one singular woman moment judging them as unworthy
and who was responsible for the Allagans?
oh yeah, a fricking moron Ancient
>Imagine if they had their own Venat.
They did. His name was Xande. He determined that their societal decay would be cured by thrusting them into the hardships of war. And it worked.
bonus points for amon's testimony that xande sorely regretted it (warring was completely pointless and unproductive) but didn't see any other option for allag
>Eorzea was exactly the same when the unsundered Ascians were purposefully leading them into causing calamities
>it wuz the Ascians
you're right, empires never grew decadent on complacent based on human nature alone, they need the shadow cabal pulling the strings as a convenient scapegoat
Except they literally did have a shadow cabal pulling the strings to steer them into self destruction, this isn't some fricking schizo conspiracy theory about lizard people ruling the earth it's the lore of the game
They literally didn't. Allag as a society grew so fat and happy that moral decay set in by the time Amon was born. He was so disgusted by what was happening around him that he set about trying to determine the cause and fix it wow, this sounds familiar. He settled on bringing back the first emperor and asking his opinion. Amon did all this shit entirely on his own. Emet-Selch only showed up after everything was done to offer Amon the seat of Fandaniel.
they didn't, Allag fricked itself up on their own accord. Good thing Venat wasn't there or she would determine that all of mankind needs to be exterminated because of her doctrine of extreme social darwinism
>good thing Venat wasn't there
Good thing Xande was there and reached the exact same conclusion
>ten thousand years of unchecked Ascian influence
>constant war, pestilence, calamity
>WoL kills the three dipshits responsible for everything over the course of a few weeks
>Eorzea united to the point we're able to stop the personification of despair from destroying the universe
Really makes you think.
>Eorzea united to the point we're able to stop the personification of despair from destroying the universe
>wow we're so special with our magical powers of feels over reals
revolutionary, how come the rest of the universe didn't try being JRPG protagonists?
They didn't get the chance to, Meteion showed up and showered them in suicide juice before they got the chance to breed a WoL to throw at her.
They didn't know what was happening cutscene-skipper-san.
and neither did the Ancients because Venat refused to tell them shit moron-kun
She explains quite clearly why she doesn't tell them, moron. Maybe go visit an inn and watch the cutscenes this time instead of baby-raging.
giving a reason is not the same as giving a good reason.
And you not liking it doesn't mean it's not a good reason. Venat was one of the ancients you trancers love to slobber over, which means her conclusions were drawn from a position of much higher intellect and reason than you're capable of. If she says her decided course of action is the best one then you have no grounds to argue against it. Seethe, cope, then get the frick over it.
From what fricking perspective. The Ancients were hardly unanimous over what decision to take. Venat had many supporters just like the convocation. In the end any fricking moral argument is out the window the second Venat decided to sunder her own people and it boils down to might is right. I respect Venat's strength, but I'm not about to go
>thank you Venat for becoming a mass murder for our sake
the world is a graveyard, stop being a baby.
>giving a reason is not the same as giving a good reason.
Here's a good reaosn, the WOL and everyone they know and love, and literally everyone that exists in his timeline will cease to exist if the Sundering doesn't happen. Do I need to give further reason?
Sure. But what we some random prostitute decides Eorzea is flawed and whatever successor species could be even speshuler and smarter than us and would willingly frick us over to bring about these successors. From Venatgay perspective, we should have to bend the knee and just fricking die for the case
>some random prostitute
Man you guys seem to really love to fixate on Venat's gender for some wierd reason. I wonder why that could be?
reposting trannies from the forums just makes you look like a bigger homosexual by proving you actively visit that shithole.
Just saying if Venat were a hot guy all these people would love him. For whatever reason 'mommy' types really trigger them more than any other kind of female.
It's the diabolical opposite of daddy issues: mommy issues.
>But what we some random prostitute decides Eorzea is flawed and whatever successor species could be even speshuler and smarter than us and would willingly frick us over to bring about these successors.
Any time someone mentions that Venat and Athena were practically the same, Venathomosexuals lose their fricking minds.
Athena was seeking to elevate herself to godhood at the expense of literally everything else out of a completely selfish desire, anyone who says her and Venat are the same is a fricking moron.
And Venat elevated herself to godhood (Hydaelyn) to pursue her ends. Why does it matter what their thoughts were so long as the result is the same in the end?
I'll file you under "disingenuous moron" if you're going to completely gloss over the differences in their motivations for their actions.
>to pursue her ends.
Her ends being saving (You) and the entire fricking universe.
Yeah so selfish anon.
Her ends? She didn't do shit. I did all the fricking work. Every other shard of Etheirys is in shit creek because there's no WoL but Venat's moronic 1/13 salvation plan gets the credit?
She wanted to transform her people because she did not believe they were truly alive. You should listen to Athena's song, she says the exact same thing.
>She wanted to transform her people because she did not believe they were truly alive. You should listen to Athena's song, she says the exact same thing.
What game did you play because it clearly wasn't Endwalker to be able to come to this moronic and completely wrong conclusion
Read the short stories.
in greek mythology, zeus is a patricide. Atheists are just christians who have somehow moralized themselves into moronation.
>Venat is on the same level as Zenos
That's not a good look my man.
>That's not a good look my man.
That's on you, personally I thought all the ancients were justified in their own way, same as Zenos. As the Warrior of Light, I am inclined to stop him since he is killing innocents just for the sake of it.
You could disagree with him and agree more with Venat. And that's fine.The point is they all have their goals and their own rationale in mind
But only Zenos gets what the WoL truly is, and Zenos is my friend
There's a scene many people overlooked when Hermes confronts the beast, telling him that even if he wants to destroy and burn everything, that is also alright. It was a pretty telling scene in regards to the existence of Zenos and that at least one ancient also accepted him. Most people overlook it, I don't think I've seen anyone ever mention it.
I liked that scene but yeah I kinda forgot about it.
Hermes is so well written the best written character in xiv imo
I also liked the part where he let meteion escape and also explained as a human, he is opposed to their ideals, but he also wants to test mankind for its fitness to exist. Really well done scene
I think him putting the ancients on a trial they had no chance at winning is what made me despise him the most. When someone is put on trial, they usually have their sentence read to them, their misdeeds listed and are allowed to defend themselves. What he did was akin to ramping up a light-mile long guillotine and letting go of the rope. The blade would have come down either way, the only difference would be if you could get your head out in time and just get away with only losing your arms or not.
>I think him putting the ancients on a trial they had no chance at winning
But they literally did win, both in the short term by creating Zodiark, and in the long term with Venat making them evolve to be immune to despair. Hermes was right. He knew they would win, and they did.
If you can't use creation magics, you aren't an ancient, none of the sundered can, so.
>If you can't use creation magics
Good news!
I half-agree, but he did force a decaying society to make a choice, whether to change or further decay like the Ra-La society did.
As a human on Eitherys, I wouldn't call Hermes a necessary evil but I am thankful for what he did
>But only Zenos gets what the WoL truly is, and Zenos is my friend
I kinda dislike the game is low key pushing you in that direction, despite Ardbert spelling out what my personal feelings are: I enjoy the time between battles where I can interact with the crew a lot. Sad that you can't vocalize your WoLs opinion on that better.
I can see why people woudn't like it, for me I wish it was more subtle and not in your face like an immediate flashback to zenos. Probably its because its not ishikawa directing the cutscenes
zenos is a "late" garlean and all it entails, but tbh the game shied away from those themes after arr. Drastically so in the ew alliance quest series. I just want more religious furniture so I can make my shrine to thaliak better.
he's an owl btw
once i''ve seen him in the flesh, i'll decide on what to do with my shrine. Technically i worship azemya... the game on character creation doesn't explain to you "this is a cat person god".
Ngl I loved Zenos there
>, Eorzea was EXACTLY the same during the time of the Allagan Empire. Imagine if they had their own Venat. All sentient life on Eorzea would be gone because of one singular woman moment judging them as unworthy
>and if they had just accepted the sacrifice they had made and lived with it, that never would have happened
>I disagree with your decision therefore you all must die
usually when you try to kill people it's considered ok to kill you to stop it
Here's the difference anon: Venat's actions only negatively affected the Ancients, not the Sundered, who directly benefited by said actions. Thereby nobody but the Ancients has any reason to care about what she did, but would reasonably care if it happened to them.
WoW anon, people care when something bad happens to them but not to someone else, holy shit what a shocking relevation! (Especially when said bad actions directly benefit them, in the Sundered's case being the only reason they exist)
How come my Elezen can't have breasts this big?
Only if the Garleans get sacked as well
>Catttle
Oh boy it's the "MUH THIRD SACRIFICE WAS JUST PLANTS AND ANIMALS GOY" argument again
Literally prove, right now, that they were going to sacrifice plants and or animals. Venat herself was cited as saying she and her followers opposed it because they believed the beings that were to be sacrificed should inherit the star from them. Do you, SERIOUSLY think that they wanted fricking grass or cows to inherit the world from them? Are you fricking moronic?
even if the third sacrifice were other species it would still be justified you race traitor moron
>even if the third sacrifice were other species it would still be justified you race traitor moron
Hi Trancer: You will never be an Ancient. Cope and Sneed.
>then I assume your b***h ass would be entirely willing to let every Hyur, Miqo'te, Elezen, etc die to preserve the fricking beast tribe Black folk?
Really making it painfully clear you Trancer morons are just racist with a master-race fantasy you live out through a fictional race. A dead fictional race LMFAO
>Really making it painfully clear you Trancer morons are just racist with a master-race fantasy you live out through a fictional race. A dead fictional race LMFAO
dodging the question there anon, if your people were judged to be be imperfect and flawed by a singular women would you go along with her entirely and accept your demise or simply tell her to frick off
also, said women refuses to tell you the root of the problem or why the world is ending for whatever reason despite knowing damn well what it is
>by a singular women
When it was by a singular man? Would you be upset then, Trancer?
>muh Trancer boogeyman
you FFXIVgays can't handle the slightest bit of shitposting and dissent. It's no wonder you can't shut the frick up about Barry either.
>you FFXIVgays can't handle the slightest bit of shitposting and dissent. It's no wonder you can't shut the frick up about Barry either.
t.
never visited the forum once in my life you persecution complex schizo
>never visited the forum once in my life you persecution complex schizo
I never mentioned the forum, Trancer. Fruedian Slip there, choom?
>every anon who laughs at me is the same person
There's nothing wrong with prioritizing the survival of your tribe over that of others. In fact this endears the ascians far more to me. There's nothing wrong with good old fashioned tribalism.
Their tribe had already survived. The problem arose when they wanted to reverse the course of nature so that they could go back to living in a cope bubble.
>Their tribe had already survived.
It hasn't, neither their bloodlines or their culture, art and poetry.
>reverse the course of nature
Last time I checked using apocalyptic sorcery to shatter reality into pieces wasn't the natural course of things. And an appeal to nature is a weak and fallacious one anyway.
>It hasn't
It had before the Sundering. And the Sundering happened because they were trying to feed the Lifestream to bring back the dead, which would have completely ruined the cycle of life and death. They couldn't cope with the fact that they'd lost loved ones, so they decided that the most sacred thing in their society was now theirs to do with as they pleased.
What the hell are you talking about right now? Meteion is an engineered disaster, a runaway scientific experiment that devastated most of the universe. It wasn't some sort of a forest fire that burnt away the overgrowth and brought about renewal. It is perfectly reasonable to employ technology to recover from a technological disaster, their planet was rendered uninhabitable as a result of the Final Days.
I feel like I'm talking to a schizophrenic the way you keep jumping around the timeline of events. What we are talking about took place after the Final Days happened, after Zodiark was summoned, and after Zodiark fixed the world. At that point, when everything was already safe and mended, they decided they wanted to feed the Lifestream to Zodiark to get the lost back. Because they couldn't handle the grief.
>create a powerful wishgranting machine that can rewrite reality
>hey wouldn't it be nice if we got our planet back
>ok
>hey wouldn't it be nice if we got back the people that died to make that machine?
>YOU ALL DIE NOW
A woman moment if there ever was one.
You left out the part where it runs on souls and you're feeding living beings to it to get your wishes granted
>you're feeding living beings to it to get your wishes granted
what is the WoL's existence if not just killing things to achieve his goals, also sometimes his goals is just to be able to kill more things? I'm in no position to judge
The part where the WoL killing someone doesn't permanently remove them from the cycle of death and rebirth
I would if I could.
Maybe Zero will teach us how to make memoria crystals so we can use our greatest enemies to store JO energy
>implying I don't want to consume my enemies' souls as well for added gains
>what is the WoL's existence if not just killing things to achieve his goals
This is the most psychotic "if you kill him you'll be just like him" shit I have ever seen. The WoL fights stuff to prevent them from killing other people. He's protecting life from things that are trying to kill stuff to achieve their goals, you fricking schizo. A big part of the back and forth with Zenos is that the WoL is different from him because, while he does enjoy adventuring and fighting, he only ever does it for the right reasons.
>The WoL fights stuff to prevent them from killing other people.
frick off, no I'm not you messiah complex homosexual. I couldn't care less about other people. The Scions just gaslit themelves into thinking I do because I handle all their dirty work.
If the lifestream is a closed loop ecosystem there's nothing wrong with putting in things to get things back so long as the exchange is equivalent. If we assume that the souls of the ancients that died in the final days didn't just dissipate into the oblivion since they were not as susceptible to dynamis as those of the sundered, and just went back to the lifestream, there's nothing wrong from an eco-point-of view with using the newly created plant and animal life to bring them back. The only leg Venat had to stand on here was a morally ethical issue of her own invention and the consensus was largely that her opinion was that of the minority.
>if they went to the Lifestream, there's nothing wrong with using Lifestream as fuel to bring them back from the dead
How do you not see the huge flaw in your logic here?
You had to insert a hell of a coin to get that machine to operate anon
>Dying is the most wonderful thing there is. Not only do we continue the precious cycle of life which is the foundation of our society and the planet itself, but we get to set out on a new journey.
>WAIT NO NOT LIKE THAT WW-W-W-W-W-WE GOTTA FEED THE PRECIOUS LIFESTREAM TO GET OUR FRIENDS BACK BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SAY GOODBYE YET IT'S NOT FAIR
>moving on after the goal of your life is completed, surrounded by your friends and loved ones is the same as being violently murdered by a creature that came straight out of your nightmares
>the cycle of the Lifestream is precious and sacred but only if we commit suicide
Yes, the cycle of life and death itself becomes damaged if death becomes senseless. Planetary extinction events created by manufactured empathy monsters are not the same as an avalanche or a volcano eruption.
>the cycle of life and death itself becomes damaged if death becomes senseless
Now you're just babbling meaningless shit hoping it sounds profound. The Ancients survived, and any lost creatures can be reintroduced to the planet naturally because they created them in the first place. But this was not their concern. Their concern was to use restored life as fuel to bring back their friends, rather than allowing them to cycle through the Lifestream as naturally intended to be born again. Because their concern was not the protection of the planet, the Lifestream, or any ecosystem. Their concern was that they did not want to accept what had happened.
>deflection
A forest fire burns down a forest, but the seeds of the trees that grow in the forest that burned can crack and sprout new life only during the extreme heat of the forest fire. That is a natural cycle of death and renewal. A creature comes from outer space and sends out a mind-plague that causes your people to self-anihilate. That is not a natural course of life and is not a process any sane ecosystem would follow unless you will dig your heels here and try to argue that the universe of FFXIV relies on advanced civilizations creating universe-wide life cleansing monsters as a form of policing of its species lest they transcend the Kardashev barrier, which is utter fricking insanity. There's nothing wrong with carefully selecting how to restructure your ecosystem so long as the means are sustainable. Venat was simply opposed to the idea of them getting their friends back because she was in love with misery and suffering it had caused, that's all.
The Lifestream doesn't become any less sacred just because an outside force caused an unusual level of death. This is what you aren't understanding. Prior to the Final Days, Ancient society revolved around protecting the planet and nurturing it. The whole idea of them committing suicide came from the fact that the Lifestream has to be rejuvenated through death. That's why they considered it such an important act. Then, when the Final Days hit, their whole tune changed. It was no longer about protecting or nurturing the planet, it became about their selfish inability to accept what had happened and move on. They didn't want to acknowledge that things like that could happen outside of their control, they didn't want to accept that sometimes people can just die. They changed from stewards of the planet to reapers of the planet, using new life to selfishly bring back old life. It's like if you started feeding fetuses to some kind of bull demon furnace that offered you longevity.
>sacred
It's not an idol to worship no more than a river is. The ancients could see souls, manipulate them, transfer them and reshape them. It was a resource they could readily utilize, although they were always careful lest you end up a screeching moron like the Phoenix.
>feeding fetuses to some kind of bull demon furnace that offered you longevity.
I absolutely would do it.
>It's not an idol to worship no more than a river is.
The planet is the source of the Ancients, their powers, and is the only thing that can generate and grant souls. The fact that it only grants souls to things that fit certain criteria shows that it has some level of intelligence. So no, the planet is effectively a god.
>I absolutely would do it.
Hello, rabbi!
The difference is that the israeli tricks don't work. Humanity would find a justification for any atrocity if it did truly work and cured all disease and granted eternal life.
>hey wouldn't it be nice if we got back the people that died to make that machine?
Well the thing about that is, the fuel you're feeding to get the dead people back is the life blood of the planet and the protection of which your entire society holds in the highest regard. And not only that, the Lifestream only runs again because Zodiark flushed it with aether produced from the lives of the second sacrifice. Meaning the whole root of this revived Lifestream IS MADE OF THE PEOPLE YOU WANT TO BRING BACK.
>There's nothing wrong with prioritizing the survival of your tribe over that of others. In fact this endears the ascians far more to me. There's nothing wrong with good old fashioned tribalism.
You will never be an Ancient
I'm just fine with not being a coomer, like you.
>schizo can't understand the concept of empathy
people are putting themselves in the shoes of the Ancients and thinking what they would do if some b***h wanted Eorzea to perish because decadence or some shit
>people are putting themselves in the shoes of the Ancients
Yes we already know you autistic morons self insert as Ancients because you unironically believe they were like a society of autismo morons like yourselves
>and thinking what they would do if some b***h wanted Eorzea to perish because decadence or some shit
Venat has consistently lied throughout the entire story. Emet didn't lie to us once. The biggest example being the whole way back in the Antitower when she said Zodiark caused the Final Days when he did the exact opposite. She said he lusted for power when everything was consential. Then Emet tells us in Shadowbringers the calamity existed before either.
You Venatgays are completely deranged. Venat raped the whole world.
not to mention Venat lied by omission to her friends by not explaining the death bird causing the apocalypse
>Venat has consistently lied throughout the entire story. Emet didn't lie to us once.
lol.lmao even
>Venat has consistently lied throughout the entire story. Emet didn't lie to us once
emet shot my buddy in the back tho. While Venat saved me from being smoked by Ifrit.
Freaking loporrit wannabe.
Stefano, la tua ragazza è una puttana
venat is the most character of all time
What do I do after p12s?
Treasure maps, now and forever
ok, I'll get on it then
Quite literally built for soft lalafell tush
TRUTH
How the frick are you ever supposed to top this for a future expac's AF? It is absolutely peak Bard.
As usual, the female outfit is better, though I'm not dissing the male outfit.
Honestly I wish I could use it on my not-BRD jobs too.
how well does the hat dye?
nah EW AF is better and sexier
you look like a legendary bard instead of some bard
I can't speak for most jobs, but EW dancer af set is top tier.
But I like looking like Some Bard. Guydelot is my soulmate.
Such a shame xivvanta is primarily futa instead of just hrothgals.
I think this thread has slipped under the gw2 schizos radar.
>The new brilliant tools are just a dogshit reskin with a pathetic effect on top of it.
It fricking baffles me this is what we get now. The skybuilder tools blow this piece of shit out of the water.
Have you guys seen them? Frick me they're ugly as frick. They didn't even try and the effect doesn't get an upgrade at the final tier either. Such shit. What the frick is going on with the budget cuts because there's no fricking way they're putting any money back into this gay ass game, man.
Crafters are actual subhumans
I can make more money faster doing PVE shit
Now craft my food/pots/gear slave
No you don't.
Crafters aren't the only ones getting dogshit content anymore. The fricked up thing is how easy it would be for them to fill their quota, but they couldn't do even that.
I swear to god that the number of concurrent online users for Mare keeps going up
I feel like it was at around 16k not that long ago, and now it's usually around the 21k area
>Make new tools with useful effects
>The final tier is ugly as sin and doesn't even get better special effect, it just stays the same as the first one.
>The grind is boring as frick, too. Just a time-sink working towards something that feels utterly underwhelming.
>Make new tools with useful effects
unless you're fisher
because frick me I guess
Everyone knows it but i'm gonna say it: island sanctuary is strictly an improvement upon bozja. Bozja was backwards looking, a pointless ugly grind with repetive music, basically the most naked skinner box the game ever made. It sucks, the players were right to reject it, and the devs were right to embrace the future.
>Everyone knows it
>Island sanctuary is an improvement over bozja
How do imbeciles like you find the mental capacity to breathe when you're this moronic?
have a nice day you fricking mouthbreathing homosexual. Bozja actually had gameplay. What the frick are you doing in your island? Roleplaying and changing diapers? Fricking b***h.
>Roleplaying the wowtard said with a sneer
this is a roleplaying game anon
Literally nobody said anything about WoW.
You're a mindbroken moron who lets other people live in his head rent free.
Look man.
I just fricking hate those dumb mammets. They completely ruined my vibe of WoL going full survivor island and afterwards having a quiet, lonesome place to rest in. I'd have taken just fade to black cutscenes of WoL breaking his back building everything alone over the rude af taskmasters we've got. It stops being a quiet nature retreat to occasionally invite friends over to and instead becomes an industrialized shithole with a mean boss that friends see and turn tail from.
And its not cause i hate fates! Overworld fates are interesting precisely because they are in places you touch in the msq... you are saving a village you had a quest in, you hear about how the place is calming down since you killed 1000 enraged owlbears, you run into other random players just knocking out a fate while doing msq just for fun / boost in exp. Bozja is just sitting on your mount, riding between fates and hoping they don't get cleared before you get there, the whole place is an butthole that makes Ala Migo look like the israeliteel of the east, and its about completely unlikable furries. Bozja SUCKS.
Holy shit shut the frick up moron. Nobody cares about the moronic low-effort msq. Endwalker ruined everything, honestly. You have to be a fricking toddler to enjoy it with all the blatant hypocrisy at play. It's so obvious who you should root for and who you should hate. So boring.
Bozja at least had fun content and hard fights. What the frick did Island sanctuary give you? A time-gated system that doesn't even have you actively interact with it, you just leave it for two weeks and cash in while your sub runs out? Frick you.
>Nobody cares about the moronic low-effort m
anon, why not just get a job? Not only will your achievements be more meaningful, people will actually pay you for them.
The devs have no idea what to do with Blu do they? The fact they are so lazy that they can't program SoS and SoS EX to work with Diamondback is moronic and they can't program that role mechanics to actually target specific roles makes me question the devs.
Does anyone have a good estimate for how powerful a LV80 blue mage is vs a LV80 black mage with the same gear? My guess would be 1.5x the damage.
... Is this the final tier of Tools for the expansion?
It just feels so bad. There's surely one final upgrade to them right? Because I don't think they would just let it end with this... right?
Anon, there's still 6.5 and 6.55 to go. Stop being moronic.
Okay well thanks for the heads up. I thought this was it. It makes sense that there's more to it. They just look so ass.
im shoveling shit
how is that not content?
>How is shoveling shit not content?
Hahaha yeah because boring shit in this game counts as totally not outdated and shittier than what we've previously had.
Bozja was good and dumb fricks who say it probably didn't even finish it. Eureka was better than Island sanctuary and Criterion, too.
Endwalker is such a boring shit expansion. It falls short on pretty much everything when compared to every single other expansion.
The fact that current expansion content is lacking doesn't mean you can't complain about the game when there is other shit to do in previous expansions. Most of us already did all that shit, so of course we want more from the current one and get pissed when it doesn't bring enough to the table.
The only character i find remotely interesting in Bozja is Gerolt
pinklala doing honest work in a respectable glam instead of whoring self out to coomers, just like in my reverse corruption doujins
imagine if 1.0 didn't flop so hard and the game didnt turn into a WoW fan's twisted nightmare
would be a kino sequel to xi instead of pic related
mechanically its just the logical outcome of the choices wow made in WoTLK. But tbh none of the people who are upset with the state of game ever complain about the lack of cc. Its just they want a longer keyboard piano to play.
ZAMN, SHE LOOKS LIKE THAT?!
She doesn't look like that actually. Ancient proportions are fricked and you'd think she was a freak if you saw her outside the robes.
I DON'T care about wow
I DON'T care about gw2
I DO care about ffxiv
who is Venat in FFXIV? because Venat is based as frick in FFXII, for an 'antagonist'
Ancient character forced to commit villanous act for the greater good and suffering about it for millennia until she finally more or less superkills herself while hoping (You) will be able to finish her job and make her sacrifices worth it.
a 15 foot tall super human who became the god of the lalafell (and other races) and the personification of the planet after she BTFO her own race.
FF12 Venat was a great character, but it's a bit different. Wanting mankind to control its own destiny was noble, but Venat ended up allying with the wrong people.
The naming for the FF14 character was really apt for someone that wanted to do what they thought was best for everyone, but ended up causing much suffering.
Not him, but is FF12 actually a good game? I was thinking of picking up the game, but I heard mix reviews about it.
I like it, but it's more like a guilty pleasure
the game is a fricking mess
better than XIII and XV in my opinion, but it has a ton of issues
do you like Star Wars?
because it's just FF Star Wars
playing it right now, will vouch for it
but I enjoy the gambit system (diy combat programming), which is the biggest sticking point for people
It's one of my favorites in the series. It's typical Ivalice stuff, with the story being more about political intrigue most of the time. The characters and character development are weaker in comparison, but that didn't bother me much. The level and world design is top-notch. Several times the game gives you the chance to enter a really difficult area earlier than you should. Sometimes it's possible to do them early with the right gambits/equipment setup, and it's really rewarding to figure that out, go into the area, and get some good items early. I also love the way the areas connect together making it feel like a real world.
😀
frick
marry
kill
kill the dunesfolk, frick and marry myself
frick nanamo
marry nanamo
kill tataru
frick and marry both momodi and fufucha
How many FFXII developers work on FFXIV?
The jank on this version of BLU is frickin' wild. DPS mess aside you also have shit like goblin punch making damage mitigation much more punishing because you can no longer just cancel your cast to start a fresh new GCD, you have to just wait for the thing to roll and then cast your gate or DB or whatever. I'm having fun though
wonder how the poster who insists BLU could be made full with no changes is coping, now that BLU's a lot weirder to handle than it was prior to the update
the thing is these gays want BLU to be a working job but also wants the stupid OP builds to be balanced for normal content also, it just doesnt fit with current XIV raid design
What stupid OP builds? Have you done a single piece of content on BLU? The level 80 fights I'm doing are going down slower with 8 BLUs than they do just getting them in trial roulette.
Bro are you playing with 7 morons that don't use moon flute and breath of magic? Even in lvl80 dungeons all the bosses just dies in less than half the time required with a normal party.
>give BLU normal DPS caster kit
>let minigame mode with the spellbook be a toggle that makes you 10 levels lower
Stop settling for less moron
But how do you let a DoT mage with 2 minute burst fit into normal gameplay??? It just can't happen!
>give BLU normal DPS caster kit
No, and then you gays will complain how BLU is muh homogenized as the other jobs
It already has a normal DPS caster kit
Reread the post you double digit IQ failed abortion.
And as
said it already has one, a 2 minute burst mage with DoT ability.
can you morons explain? how does fricking BLU have a normal dps caster kit with its fricking spellbook? You want the rotation for the normal content to be this?
You moronic monkeys dont even think what the repercussions is if they did this.
Firstly people will complain how the damage is lower than its minigame counterpart, then people will complain how it has a boring rotation. Then people will spam the official forums to give BLU customization in normal content and they have to balance it further just to make it work in normal content, then the cycle continues
IT JUST DOESNT FRICKING WORK YOU BRAINDEAD MONKEY GORILLA moron
The job already doesn't do anything special
Almost every enemy is immune to 95% of its kit
Are you fricking moronic? That's not the fricking point, the point is that they have 124 spells to balance, and then if they include more they need to think about the interactions with old spells too
IF they balanced it for normal content, they will only put 2020 potency spells from now on for easier balancing. IT is extremely moronic to expect them to release new unique spells and still want them to think the balance for it
>That's not the fricking point, the point is that they have 124 spells to balance
No they don't. All the 'wacky' spells you're thinking of already don't affect bosses.
>IF they balanced it for normal content, they will only put 2020 potency spells from now on for easier balancing.
THEY ALREADY DO, moron. Have you even looked at the fricking new additions?
>124 spells to balance
40 spells that every enemy is immune to
40 other spells that are reskinned 220 potency casts
44 other spells that are DPS spells
Can you tell me what they're balancing?
yeah, and they have to think for sastasha on how not letting a a party with 2 BLU to not immediately melt the fricking boss
See how braindead you sound?
>have a normal version of the job with a leveling kit
>have a toggle for the current restricted monster mode with the spellbook that you unlock later
WHOA
I THINK I HAVE IT FIGURED OUT BROS!
the much bigger issue is you kiss BLU's easygoing spell progression goodbye in favor of level gates same as the other jobs imo
as in there wouldn't be any possibility or even any reason for BLU to learn fifty billion fluff spells and it'd be pared down to all the actually useful stuff for a set rotation like all other jobs and you'd get spells through quests or at certain levels
this is a non-negotiable part of BLU that would go missing
Just have the BLU system be for fun or some shit or access the carnival. BRD gets an entire fricking music system no other job can access.
>Just
what part of "non-negotiable" did you not get
Oh wow well if I guess you say so then that's just how it goes. I guess the system they borrowed the customized loadout idea from doesn't matter at all.
tell the class how many of those you actually cast and aren't slotting for the stat shifts
Depends on what you're doing, and I'm also not going to let you try and dodge the point. XIV's customized loadout system was an attempt at emulating XI's, and XI's has minimum learn levels. You can't bring a level 1 BLU to Shinryu and have him learn Mighty Guard.
But speaking of the stat bonuses, that is also a big reason the customized loadouts worked. Because it gave you a reason to pick a fire cone AoE spell over an ice cone AoE spell, something XIV's version does not do. They're all pointless copypastes.
So why does BRD get an entire music system huh?
>BRD gets that
>DNC doesn't get a dance system
I don't think BRD getting music is equivalent to hundreds of nothing spells and puzzle fights.
>An entire system that they had to both record and re-record and even update with guitar hero-esque sheet music and U.I. is not comparable to a bunch of copy pasted assets with different buttons for success.
Okay gay.
was that agreeing with him or not
>can you morons explain? how does fricking BLU have a normal dps caster kit with its fricking spellbook?
Can you play BLU before you keep saying moronic shit? Did you even look at the image in the post you linked, or do you just not know what any of the spells in the image are? BLU has a completely normal DPS caster kit, applying DoTs and jamming normal flat potency abilities into a 2 minute buff window, then spamming filler and using nukes on cooldown so they continue to align with the 2 minute buffs. It's as basic a fricking playstyle as you can get.
>Firstly people will complain how the damage is lower than its minigame counterpart, then people will complain how it has a boring rotation.
That is already the case. BLU's damage on a fight timeline isn't anything out of the ordinary, it just has insane burst in the Moon Flute window and then shit all for damage outside of it, which balances out overall but lets you do heavy burn phases to skip things if you have an all-BLU party.
You dont play BLU lmao
You keep spouting shit as if the rotation makes it a normal job.
You only think about muh missile and ultravibration. how the frick would you balance BLU to be a normal job with a customizable spellbook? if it is non customizable then the players would definitely complain you moronic Black person.
>You dont play BLU lmao
I'm playing it right now lmao
>You keep spouting shit as if the rotation makes it a normal job.
Yeah, it does. And are you now going to pretend this wasn't what the reply chain was about?
>how the frick would you balance BLU to be a normal job with a customizable spellbook?
It's already balanced, is my point. The customization doesn't affect anything and you can't even give examples of how it does.
>if it is non customizable then the players would definitely complain
Why should I care? People are complaining because it's limited too, but strangely you don't see that as an issue. Customization is not a vital aspect of the BLU job fantasy. This whole customized loadout thing is entirely an attempt at emulating FFXI's system, yet at the same time it left out everything that made XI's system actually functional.
You should refer to
and stop dodging like a cowardly little b***h
can you read, dumbass? literally a post above you
Venat was dealt an extremely shitty hand and made the best of what she had and suffered immensely for it, then ultimately turbo died to the point where she doesn't even get to reincarnate ever. Meanwhile the Ascians cackle like cartoon villains while literally entire planets worth of people get genocided and grinded up into soul juice to pour back into the Source and people pat them on the back and say they did nothing wrong because Emet was le sad. Fricking hell people are moronic.
Sex with buns.
>Sex with buns
The only sex people who play this game have is with their hand. I don't get what you're getting at when these characters are nothing more than pixels at the end of the day.
>that face with those mods
uncanny
I'm not seeing anything uncanny about it, do you have an issue with your brain perhaps? Might wanna have it checked out.
Never forget there are anons who gaslit themselves into believing Nophica wouldn't have big breasts
>Finally start the latest manderville step
>Gerolt gets wasted off of mostly carrot juice
Kek
Gerolt is an interesting character because whenever the game in EW wants to show class issues, he's the go to prole, and they do a good job of representing him as a capable but incredibly self-sabotaging person. In the Ameliace custom delivery quests for example, you have a set down with Mowena (middle class striver), Ameliace (aristocratic airhead), and Gerolt (prole degenerate) and it did all three justice.
I liked Gerolt's sit-down with Godbert for that reason, Gerolt can't actually articulate why the hell he hate rich c**ts and he's forced to concede that there isn't much separating him from, very specifically, Godbert as a creative and a worker.
I don't like Venat because the localization team bent over backwards to make seem like she can do no wrong. b***h leaves us to die in the 8th umbral future. All the dialogue options of "omg thank you mommy!" Made me sick. Thank God she's dead for good.
>Trancer!!! You're a troony if you don't like mommy!
Shut up Black person.
People would have been a lot more amenable to her if the game and its narrative didn't bend over itself backwards to portray her as super saintly and good in spite of the fact that her actions functionally were no different from that of Athena, but instead of doing a creepy head tilt, Hydaelyn acts like she's your mother instead of the author of your and everyone else species suffering.
>the author of your and everyone else species suffering.
That's what a mother is though.
They'd be right though. Hydaelyn was always held in deep reverence by most of the cast so no shit they'd continue to do so when they weren't given reason not to. And if you want to claim this was a localization thing I expect to see some proof.
>Mandervile weapons are mostly shit
>Splendorous tools are just as pathetic looking
>Endwalker is the best expansion so far, guys! Hooray!!!
weapons are mostly shit
tools are just as pathetic looking
source?
This pickaxe looks like absolute dogwater. Look at this shit.
that looks really cool
It's literally the worst looking glowing tool in the game.
This isn't the final step dumbasses.
>This isn't the final step.
I looked into it further and compared to previous questlines it's pretty much wrapped up, and we know they're not going the extra mile on anything this expansion. The reskin for the brilliant tools is to be expected with the low quality, honestly.
>Skysteel tools
>6 stages
>Crystalline tools
>5 stages so far
Hmm I wonder what this could possibly mean
The achievements give it away. He's absolutely right. Skysteel tools have two achievements for their quest line. Once you get your brilliant tool this time you get your second achievement of the questline, ending the entire thing, plus the cutscenes are very conclusively finished.
Each one for crafter and gatherer pretty much says everything is over now.
Sorry, but this is it. This is all we get.
I wish I was fricking with you, but this dogshit is all we're getting. Nothing is on it's way in 6.5 or even 6.55 with the splendorous tools. It's over.
There's no fricking way you can tell me the Skysteel tools don't look a thousand times better to this current update shit.
All glowshit is garbage.
>final step of a tier looks better than the not-final step of a tier
WOOOOOW REALLY?! OMG I HAD NO IDEA
almost all of the first step manderville weapons whoop ass
almost all of the second step manderville weapons WOULD whoop ass if they did have the glow by default, i'm hoping for a matte version to be added for them at some point
you're fricking stupid and can't read if you think venat is straight up evil.
Is it ever indicated whether or not Venat knew that the battle between Hydaelyn and Zodiark would cause the sundering? Or if she knew that the sundered peoples would be weaker in aether, allowing them to manipulate dynamis? The story makes it seem like she planned all of this, knowing it would be needed in order for the people of Etheirys to eventually defeat the Endsinger.
Also, why is Elidibus able to manipulate dynamis (the limit break) while taking the form of the Warrior of Light?
>Also, why is Elidibus able to manipulate dynamis (the limit break) while taking the form of the Warrior of Light?
Because he's a primal, which is fueled by dynamis.
A side story where she talks to one of her followers shows that she had plans for it even before the calamity struck as she believed that the ancient society needed dramatic restructuring, the action was 100% premeditated. She didn't exactly know the fine print, but finding out later about the Meteia and the Final Days coming along probably only reinforced her ideas. You'd think that she would first attempt a less dramatic solution in an attempt to restructure the culture of their species, but it's a common thing with the ancients, they never did things by half measures, for good or ill.
>Also, why is Elidibus able to manipulate dynamis (the limit break) while taking the form of the Warrior of Light?
Ancients could still influence dynamis. All magic, including Ancient magic, is the manipulation of aether through emotion. A limit break is not a dynamis laser beam, it's an extreme rush of emotion which allows you to manipulate aether to levels which would normally be beyond you.
Ancients can influence dynamis but they can't actually directly interact with it in any way (i.e. Limit Break) is the difference
>that description
Pure kino.
I think emet looked better as Solus than he did as an actual ancient. He turned into xehanort in elpis.
Goldie was fun
gonna do mount rokkon after finishing the spellbook
Nobody gives a frick you stupid Black person you keep making bait threads for the sole purpose of making these exact same fricking posts day after day. You are the only one who cares about this.
Trancers try to argue that the Third Sacrifice was just going to be plants and animals, despite the fact that
1. Half the Ancient population was morally opposed to the third sacrifice which led to such a degree of infighting that Elidibus had to seperate himself from Zodiark just to calm everyone down
2. Venat and everyone else who agreed with her explicity stated, as per Hythlo's shade, that they wanted the new life that was to be sacrificed to inherent the planet from their people. THis makes absolutely zero sense if the were anything otehr than people. They aren't gonna leave the planet to be inherited by fricking grass or axolotls
3. The ascians showed they have no moral issues with genociding entire planets so why should they (said ascians being the original convocation members who ordered the Third Sacrifice) have any moral issue with sacrificing actual non-ancient peoples against their will for the Third Sacrifice?
They were obviously gonna genocide actual people and Venat along with half the other Ancients had a moral objection to this which is part of what led to her decision to Sunder the world. She couldn't defeat Zodiark without resoring to Sundering him which had the unavoidable consequence of sundering ltierally everyone and everything else.
Holy frick Trancers are so fricking moronic I can't even. The story is so clearcut and they still don't get it.
You deleted your post just to try again without /misc/bait? How long are you going to keep shitting up these threads trying to make Ganker care about your homosexual fricking twitter crusade?
ZODIARK
TRANCE
Reminder that these mentally ill discord Black folk use game art and pics to fit in while they doompost and derail
you guys actually play past the msq? wtf, why?
hag post ryne now
best girl
>More excited for Hildibrand than whatever the MSQ is doing
That basketball scene was the most hyped I've been since I finished the base story.
Why do they keep teasing us with Blitzball.
Since they've said they use the Hildibrand quests to test shit with animations and such do you think there's any hope for the WoL to actually do shit in cutscenes in the next expansion? I don't care if it's not class-specific, give me more shit like slam dunking, volleyballing, and punching people like in the Zenos fight, I swear I'll main MNK just so it feels right.
One can hope but I'm not holding my breath
BLU would be a cool idea, but most of the different spells feel so shitty and the obvious core ones make the variety feel pointless. There's so much fricking elemental bloat for a game that has zero elemental weaknesses outside of BLU's puzzle fights.
It's boring as hell to play.
>devs didn't even bother to make Ultimate Crossover check for Diamondback, instead just laughed and said frick BLU
>sure as hell won't have the adjustments needed to do Pandaemonium in light of this
This was the last limited BLU update. The devs do not give a shit and the lack of Beastmaster or Puppetmaster since BLU came out two expansions ago proves that they considered limited jobs to be a failed concept. BLU breaks its limits next week with WESTWOLVES.
Todays gonna be blessed I can feel it.
I hit a triple 10k a few weeks ago. I haven't been that excited in fricking years, shit was so cash.
Give me your grimmest expansion expectations for job changes. Real doomer shit.
>Job
>Want
>Doomer Expectation
for me it's
>DRK
>Second combo, carve and spit combo maybe. Flashier finisher.
>Just more salted earth dot application usage.
>DNC
>New dance with steps, maybe Standard Step changing to a one step dance where the step chosen has some sort of additional effect (gaining a fourfold feather, boosting potency of next skill by you and dance partner by 20, etc)
>Another one off heavy hit skill that you only get to use one every couple minues because frick making things interesting (even if i do love Starfall Dance)
>DRK
>literally just Heavensward or Stormblood DRK
>extra charge on Plunge, remove a couple oGCD abilities to consolidate them, remove Abyssal Drain to make Carve and Spit an AoE, don't add any lifedrain mechanics in its place
>GNB
>actual Draw and Junction for tank utility (i.e. party defense or AoE regens and shit) and Zantetsuken Reversal added to PvP to instantly dab on Samurai LBs
>remove Bow Shock and Sonic Break and make Renzokuken automatic
My ideal dream is just
>GNB as it is now
>DRK as it was in HW
>WAR as it was in SB
>PLD as it was in ShB or early EW
And I'll be happy forever.
love these funny little homies
>BLM
>some kind of demi Ultima
>an extra stack of Amplifier
>NIN
>goes back to ROG roots and we get some cool knifeplay stuff, expanding the 1-2-3 combo and maybe get some thieving content tied to it
>3rd AoE combo skill and a 60 seconds ogcd that has 700 potency because there is one GCD that doesnt have a weave in the TA window
>BRD
>rhythm minigame in dps rotation and dots affecting your RNG more
>another song that you just insert into your rotation
>White Mage
>healers to have 1 extremely potent support ability involving things like cheat death, aoe benediction, the ability to clear rez sickness, bestowing invulnerability, etc
>Glare IV, Dia IV, Holy IV, another charge of Tetragrammaton, a trait that lowers the cooldown of capstone abilities
Trancers lost and will stay losing for all eternity
BLU level cap should move up at the start of a new expansion and new spells/duties should be added with .x patches correlating to when they were added in the previous expac (5.1 duties and appropriate spells are added with 6.1)
Venat seethers just assume the Ancients would have eventually figured everything out and that the rest of the fricking universe dying of to cosmic bird beams is ok so long as one singular planet in the entire cosmos could live in their little bubble forever (which isn't even guaranteed btw because the Endsinger was continuing to farm more despair in Ultima Thule).
It's purely based on blatantly ignoring what the story tells you, so it's not worth engaging with.
>the fricking universe dying of to cosmic bird beams is ok so long as one singular planet in the entire cosmos could live in their little bubble forever
isn't the rest of the universe dead anyways thanks to Meteion. We survived because of Zodiark + speshul snowflake dynamis powers
Meteion goes to reseed the universe with hopeful dynamis from which life can rise again after we defeat the Endsinger. Our plan ultimately triggers the rebirth of the cosmos from her frickery.
yeah but we're hoping the life stream being returned to the planets she fricked will help let them become born anew. for now though our planets the only one with any sapient life.
dragons might be able to go back to their homeworld though i guess?
If only it was explained post-Endsinger fight what happened to all those souls in memeion's giant egg
Remember that these are FACTS, as expressed by the creators:
Venat was a good person.
Venat knew what she did was bad, but the alternative was worse.
She was better written than Emet-Selch
For the love of god Broccoli please do not rile up the shitposters more than they already are
i don't care. Does it pain them to hear the truth? Crave they salve to soothe the ache? Fire to sear the wound in their heart?
>Damn, I am the only one who knows about the sad murder bird swarm at the edge of the universe
>lmao I guess I won't tell anyone and just let them all die/sunder them
>I'm the good guy!!!!
kys
>Missing the point this badly
OPPA!!!!!
>start FFXI
>holy shit it is crunchy
>literally have to mod shit in to make it playable
>Once you get your bearing it gets really fun
>Story seems fine, so far I have been doing the Sandoria missions and they were doing a good job at making you explore the world, just like ARR did
I will say, the one thing it has is fricking amazing classes. Each one feels cool and different and the mix and match between sub and main job seems really fun. XIV really needs to get its shit together, just making increasingly convoluted DDR fights fricking sucks. Start working on jobs again to make those interesting.
The UI and the made for console control scheme are the biggest filters in the game, which is a shame since its one of the better MMOs on the market but will never enjoy the success it deserves
>MMOs on the market
XI servers are up with minimal updates right? Is it still considered a current MMO now?
The biggest filter is the registration process. Play Online is 2000s internet charming but holy crap they make it hard to register your account.
Windower, which should be mandatory, helps a LOT, especially if you install the hotbar and minimap mod.
My biggest fear is of they introduce PUP into the game. That was my favorite class in XI and I cannot see the XIV devs do the frame and automation system any justice.
It's been 4 years since BLU came out and they still haven't introduced any other limited jobs. Which means they consider it not worth it. PUP is safe.
They did everything to make MCH, SCH and SMN pets non entities and basically just another button with slight delay. I can't see them adding a class that actually uses a pet mainly because that pet can be used to do their precious shitty savage fights in ways they didn't intend.
>that pic
I genuinely think trancers are unhinged enough to suicide bomb next week fanfest
Wouldn't that be completely normal according to Venathomosexuals? Just accept that it happened and move on.
This. I love ethnic tensions and racial hatred, even if it is stupid, it makes a setting believable, because people love being stupid. That's why the Gridanian start was my favorite.
>Wouldn't that be completely normal according to Venathomosexuals? Just accept that it happened and move on.
Wow
Gotta walk the walk bro.
Post it.
most kino dungeon yet in ffxiv, a sign of things to come.
It's pretty cool. I could have done with more Buddhist/Shintoist corruption horror, but it's still pretty nice. https://youtu.be/h2zS86kNCO8
Venat was right because the other Ancients weren't strong enough to stop her and her convocation
This is the only rational answer, but Venathomosexuals love to trip over themselves to say that their mommy gooddess can do not wrong and she is totally all love and candy. She acted by the might makes right principle. She won, Zodiark lost,
Speaking of Barry I've actually seen him recently interacting with the Zodiark Trancers on twitter through his Persona-avatar accounts. Starting to think they have some connection....
wouldn't surprise me if that homosexual was coalition building.
>wouldn't surprise me if that homosexual was coalition building.
Here pic related. This is Barry in a twitter convo with a guy named @Basedhoodedman (previous @basedthundergod and @highlancowman), the twitter identity of notorious official FF forum troll Aveyond Dreams, who was outed as a member of the Zodiark Trancer discord a while back (suprising noone who knows him from the forums). On twitter Aveyond (now going by BasedHoodedman) follwos the same exact modus operandi as Barry, he seethes nonstop about FF14 and FF16 and unironically shills for luminous studios.
You can also check the hashtags of @basedhoodedman or @basedthundergod (his previous handle) and see Zodiark Trancer gays interacting with him.
Barry is 100% connected to the Trancer Black folk in what way I'm still not certain.
Yeha that Aveyond dude shilled hard for Forspoken when it came out over on the forums, where he would seethe about XIV on a daily basis. There is definitely some connection.
Dude also *hates* Y'shtola any anyone who likes her. Guess the schizos who shitpost about her have something in common with him.
>Dude also *hates* Y'shtola any anyone who likes her. Guess the schizos who shitpost about her have something in common with him.
Oh yeah he said Y'shtola was a "3" and Magnai is a '10" and therefore cannot talk down to him like she did with her "Little Sun" diss. And then there was his "redesign" of her and Zero.
>Lightning hair
KILL IT
KILL IT
DESTROY IT
You're trying really, really hard to tie everyone and everything you don't like to your dumb fricking twitter crusade, huh?
That anon isn't wrong, people who dislike her are in fact lesser beings, just like tracers.
He also has literal aids and will die soon fortunately.
do they at least hate her because she's a moron? i hate her because she's a moron
>of notorious official FF forum troll Aveyond Dreams, who was outed as a member of the Zodiark Trancer discord a while back
>he sent me a tell about joining a discord server related to xiv lore around a year ago
Woah, I was cool enough to sit at the trancer's table?!
Probably part of their discord then, and added it to their repetiore of shitposting.
>Probably part of their discord then, and added it to their repetiore of shitposting.
Trancers are all doomposters, the same group of people that seethe about the game nonstop and say it's dead and dying. They, like Barry, just hate the game, the people who play it and the people behind it. So naturally they formed an unholy alliance. They've even allied with that /vg/ pedophile Macchiatto. Literlaly just go on twitter and seethe about XIV in any way and Barry or the Trancers ill recruit you into their fold. That's probably how Emetanon managed to infiltrate them before.
>Venat genocided the ancients
where did this meme come from? she just sundered them, she didn't kill an entire population. otherwise, who the frick would be left to inhabit every shard if the sundering was fatal? there wouldn't be anyone on the First or the Thirnteenth or any other shard
why not just ignore OPs with venat in them since it's obvious bait
the thread usually devolves into venat posting at some point anyway, every single XIV thread plays out exactly the same
past few haven't chief
>this time next week we'll all be shitposting about 7.0
Can't wait lads
US Fanfest will be 90% 6.5 and 10% 7.0 with maybe a title drop.
Any info will be more than we have now. We'll have shit like the title and Yoshi P's t shirt to rant and rave about.
We'll get the name of the expansion, update on graphics, then pick 2 of the following:
>name of the 24 man raid
>name of the 8 man raid
>one of the two new jobs
>screenshots of the new zones with no context
>one of the beast tribes and their associated trial
>update on hroth-gals
>a vague hint at a new gold saucer game
Also, yoshi-p's shirt will be wildly misinterpreted
>update on hroth-gals
I low key want to say we will see a Hroth girl in 6.5 as part of the MSQ or 24man somewhere. I think they did the same with Viera and AuRa?
Speculatory shitposting is always super fun
I'm excited
I'm not even joking when i say that expansion releases are one of the things i look forward to the most in life. It's a simple thing but it's just so much fun. I was there on day one for every single one of XIV's expansions so far, and each time i played for like 3 days straight like a madman and it's just always so good. Exploring new areas, new story, new abilities, but more than anything the atmosphere of everyone discovering and experiencing new things together. Day 1 of Heavensward is one of my favorite gamimg memories of all time, i remember everyone being at level 50 and we tried to gather like 30 people to take down the Coerthas Western Highlands A rank and it just fricking killed everyone
at the end of the day, i'm not an ancient, i'm a lalafell, and Hydalyn directly saved my life several times. Why would I side with the dudes who keep trying to kill me and my friends over the person who saved my life? It's a very perverse worldview.
/trancer/i;boards:v
i went to pay the bills and lost my place in the tard war storyline
>Ancients get so assmad that Azem didn't join them (not even throwing in with Venat but simply going his own way like he pretty much always did on everything ever) that they completely memory holed him
Bunch of b***hes, deserved to die
This FF4 bullshit has been a complete waste of everyone's time.The smash invitation Krile got better be interesting.
she's going to go down the path of Rydia (whisked off to another realm and come back powered up) or Terra (embraces the power of emotion and becomes a powerful caster with a 'trance' form)
>The smash invitation Krile
You have reminded me that Krilesmasher69 was suspended
Venat killed less people than any other Ascian
this whole thread seems like it came out of a can
It did. This guy posts the exact same fricking pictures alongside the exact same fricking posts in nearly the same fricking order on a regular basis. He is completely fricking obsessed with this trancer shit and desperately wants Ganker to care about it so he can get attention for his writeups.
...
>the club
get the horns next, embrace the weeb.
Why is it that literally 100% of people who hate Venat and what she did are all Ascian fanboys?
>Why is it that literally 100% of people who hate Venat and what she did are all Ascian fanboys?
It's almost like they have a bias or something that's affecting their judgement of her hmmm......
I have no attachment to any particular people in all of FFXIV because they're all boring and gay, and I still think Venat is moron race traitor from a completely neutral standpoint
>and I still think Venat is moron race traitor from a completely neutral standpoint
Race is meaningless in a setting where your race is only temporary and you can end up as a completely different race in the next life. Why would I feel any care or attachment to my race as say an Elezen when the next life I could be reborn as a fricking lalafell?
THAT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN THE CASE IF VENAT DIDN'T RAPE THE WORLD. I hate Ganker. You're all so dumb.
>Why would I feel any care or attachment to my race as say an Elezen when the next life I could be reborn as a fricking lalafell?
1. because you should live every life as if it was your only one instead of being a pseudo-Buddhist homosexual about it
2. if I was reincarnated into a lala, a Mhigger or a Doman I would immediately kill mysel
>Reborn as race I don't like
>An hero
>Repeat as many times as needed until RNG rebirths me as the race I want to be
Simple as.
Because it's a problem that was created by Venat? Back then there was only one race, the ancients. Sure, they came in different skin tones and shapes and whatnot, but it was irrelevant since they could just transform to be whatever they wanted? I'd say being able to choose is much better than having things forced on you.
>THERE WAS ONLY ONE RACE, A PERFECT RACE
Hi Varis.
The Xaela always get reborn as Xaela if the Dotharl's belief system is accurate so I dunno about that. Then again all WOL's are implied to be the reincarnation of Tenzen, a male hyur (regardless of your character's race or gender) so.......
Dotharl are morons. The Lifestream doesn't localize reincarnations like that.
the ascians keep making fascist regimes, could be they're wehraboos
The fascist regimes are the most effective means of causing as much chaos and destruction as possible with any civilization, it was a pretty effective tool for their ends.
that's true, i just can't help but make the comparison, this is an observation outside of the ingame explaination
autocratic states are the easiest to manipulate as you only need to control one person. It was by...design?!
my post was about ascian fanboys not ascians themselves
>an heroes like a b***h when things don't go his way
lmao GarleBlack folk got exactly what they deserved.
There is nothing particularly fascist about the garleans.
>There is nothing particularly fascist about the garleans.
Don't do it anon. You're better than this.
There isn't. Their ideology is mostly roman empire with a sprinkle of white men burden, and their form of government is a hereditary monarchy.
Next he'll be saying that Garlemald wasn't a blatant Nazi standin.
It has more in common with the British Empire
Garleans are Russians
Yes, fascists. Communists are fascists.
The ancients are communists not fascists
Communists are fascists.
Mots ascianstans are unabashed Garleangays, they just switched to stanning the Ascians after Garlemald got BTFO'd. The only thing the Garleans and the Ancients have in common (and what also sets them apart from player races) is that they're racially homogenous as societies. This is what primarily attracts these homosexuals. They mostly come from WoW where fantasy racist RP is an actual thing because the whole game is centred around racial/factional pride. Unlike this game, where every player race lives in a melting pot and has no unique culture or society of their own, not even racial stats or traits that matter.
>master1200.jpg
>Garleans
>racially homogeneous
The whole point of Garlemald is that it invaded and forcibly brought other races into its government. Their highest ranking ambassador was a Doman. Garlemald is the exact opposite of racially homogeneous.
>This homosexual is still here
Do I need to give you another intellectual asslashing you moron?
Is that what you think you did before? I don't know how you can look at a fricking government dedicated to integrating foreigners into their society and say that they're racially homogeneous. You're absolutely insane.
They're not. Garlemald doesn't want to cleanse other races, they want to force them to become Garlean.
I literally did you moron and you're bringing up the same points. They did not "integrate foreigners" they had satellite colonies.
A fascist state is literally two things.
1. An authoritarian dictatorship
2. Ultranationalist
That's it, garlemald was literally and unironically a fascist state simply because of these two things.
Even if you have a monarchy that does not exempt you from it being an authoritarian dictatorship.
As a matter of fact MOST monarchies are authoritarian dictatorships.
So you've already lost there.
Do you wanna try on the ultranationalist point?
>They did not "integrate foreigners"
They literally did. We've seen as many foreigners in high ranking government positions as we have racial Garleans. The entire stated goal of Garlemald was to bring other nations and races under their wing and integrate them culturally.
>That's it, garlemald was literally and unironically a fascist state
Yes it was. That point was not in question. The point in question is their racial homogeneity.
They didn't, foreigners were military personnel often consigned to stewardship under a garlean house.
No foreigner could ever reach a status in the military that would actually effect it's political agenda.
>The point in question is their racial homogeneity.
You STILL lose on this point because garlemald did not have equal seperate states. They had colonies, you might have a point if there were heads of state or elected official at the upper echelon of politics who were not pure blooded garlean.
But every instance of "foreigners" in the state is expressed purely through military campaign.
Their policy was literally to conscript the locals and have them fight each other kek.
Even when we got to garlemald the only non-pure bloods we see or even non-garleans are fricking the forced labor miners LMAO.
This isn't even touching the fact 90% of conscripts end up fricking dead or MIA before even a year of service in the military. Either killed by the garlean elites who rule over them or dead during their tour.
>No foreigner could ever reach a status in the military that would actually effect it's political agenda.
Asahi.
Asahi is literally a FOREIGN WARTIME AMBASSADOR. Try again moron and read carefully.
He only exists in the context of WARTIME NEGOTIATIONS with their SATELLITE COLONY.
moronbro.
He is not an elected official that overseas any actual position of meaning like with a legatus.
>He is not an elected official that overseas any actual position of meaning like with a legatus.
Such as Basch van Gabranth, the Hyuran Legatus from the nation of Landis, and his son Noah van Gabranth?
>WARTIME NEGOTIATIONS with their SATELLITE COLONY.
Yes, and he affects the political agenda of Garlemald, see his whole deal with Hien and Yotsuyu.
It really doesn't, literally the entire point of asahi was that he was so unnecessary that he only came out of probably being raped by his adopted father because zenos died.
Garlemald did not parley with any country. You either bent the knee and became a satellite colony or you died.
Mostly because WoL wasn't around.
>No foreigner could ever reach a status in the military that would actually effect it's political agenda.
Basch, Noah, Asahi, Menenius.
>you might have a point if there were heads of state or elected official at the upper echelon of politics who were not pure blooded garlean.
Basch, Noah, and Asahi.
There's my smart cookies and how did they achieve those positions? was it through...military subjugation and swearing fealty to the...authoritarian crown who is....pure blooded garlean? or was it through..election by their peers?
Garlemald as it exists in its current form is only 80 years old, only reaching beyond Ilsabard around 50 years ago. And as young as it is, there are already high ranking officials of other races. They were literally importing foreign kids to the capital to get educations, such as Asahi and Misija. The nature of Garlemald integrating foreigners into its society by force means that foreigners will hold positions of power, and that would only increase as time goes on. It is not racially homogeneous. You can not say that Garlemald as a society values racial homogeneity when everything it does is in the name of making other races join it by force. You really, really want to make Garlemald into nazis but they're just not.
>And as young as it is, there are already high ranking officials of other races
There are TWO, no the military chaff do not count at all. Now please stop flailing wildly what is the process by which they gained those stations? do you mind telling me? what is garlemalds policy for integrating peoples of other races? specifically non-garleans?
>what is garlemalds policy for integrating peoples of other races? specifically non-garleans?
Conscripting them into the military which grants they and their families citizenship.
>Conscripting them into the military
Yes
>which grants they and their families citizenship.
BZZZT
aan: Peregrinus, slaves and people of annexed territories. Citizenship may be granted for a display of exceptional skill or serving in the military for 20 years or more.
SO in short they have to be serving for TWENTY YEARS of military duty, before qualifying to be a citizen.
Of course not counting them having some elevated position IN ANNEXED TERRITORY such as their satellite state of origin.
Meanwhile we have Fordola, Asahi, and Misija who are all citizens. Fordola isn't even 20 years old.
Uh huh, none of them are high ranking officials. As a matter of fact fordola is literally.
>Of course not counting them having some elevated position IN ANNEXED TERRITORY such as their satellite state of origin.
also
>Fordola isn't even 20 years old
>Fordola
>Citizen
Lol, moron you are proving my point you realize this right? her citizenship was literally dependent on her serving in the military and was only possible because she was the child of a military and was decided BY A PURE BLOODED GARLEAN LEGATUS. Do think this is the standard? do you think this is just how 58% of garleans get their citizenship or something?
*Child of a dignitary
Fordola is a citizen because she was born in an imperial province
Nope, moron who didn't play the game. She was literally granted her status by gaius when HE was in charge of ala mhigo which was CONTINGENT on her being in the crania lupis.
Try again.
Oh nononononono
Nope and wrong her father was dignitary just actually play the game or watch cutscenes. She and the other wolves were granted citizenship by gaius for being in the crania lupis.
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>Not garlean citizenship
moron ALERT.
moron ALERT DOESN'T KNOW WHAT DIGNITARIES ARE.
that doesn't look like its from the game itself, as you wanted here
And this
doesn't specify actual garlean citizenship and
is from a book that is blatantly wrong and has been retconned already.
Actually watch the SB cutscenes you dumbfrick, her dad was a dignitary who collaborated with garleans.
so why would fordola's mother be asking her to not join the army because she was already a citizen if she wasn't a citizen because she hadn't joined the army to become a citizen yet?
Because she is not a garlean citizen, She has no aan. Lol she is an elevated savage in her satellite colony like I said.
I have no stake in this argument, I just wanted to chime in and let you know you sound like a gay.
nothing to say? thats right, slink back to your discord
>lala cultist accusing anyone of being from a discord
>No foreigner could ever reach a status in the military that would actually effect it's political agenda.
The IVth Legion was literally led by a foreigner, who was the son of the previous leader, who was also a foreigner.
I've only read your post, but if you're arguing that Monarchy or Oligarchy in a fantasy setting is abnormal then you're a fricking moron, lmao. Garlemald is a meritocracy with cutthroat politics. That it's heavy handed or has slaves is irrelevant.
Has nothing to do with either, I'm arguing that it is a fascist state.
Which it is, it is ultranationalist and authoritarian.
Fricking and? You can't avoid hierarchy in settings where people can kill dozens or more. That's just how it works.
>They mostly come from WoW where fantasy racist RP is an actual thing because the whole game is centred around racial/factional pride. Unlike this game, where every player race lives in a melting pot and has no unique culture or society of their own, not even racial stats or traits that matter.
that's good though, frick your melting pots. I never met a single soul who actually cares about the various city states in Eorzea while in actual good RPGs you have intense pseudo-nationalist shitposting for years upon years. Because of this XIVgays are the most sheltered pathetic fanbase I've ever seen while old WoWgays are extraordinary shitposters
It's funny because the game itself treats pseudo-nationalism as something you are supposed to grow out of. You start by working for one of the three cities, then you join Ishgard, then the continent, then the whole world.
One world government monocultures are always depicted as bad in FFXIV. What FFXIV depicts is that nations can maintain their unique qualities and cultures and still work together. You don't need to become a melting pot, you just need to not be invasive homosexuals.
man what the frick are you smoking you moronic ass homie drooling ass homie b***h?
Try again but speak like a human this time.
go frick your dad in the shit
are you moronic you go anywhere you get a muttistan-tier hodge-podge of different races. The only outliers are Ishgard and Ala Mhigo and those people are outright considered backwards reactionary meanies
Racially the game is all melting pots, but all of those countries have very strong cultures. The main enemy for most of the game is an invasive monoculture that demands its subjects abandon all aspects of their culture because culture leads to religion and religion leads to primals. Then when you start getting into the Ancients, you also find out that they were a conformist monoculture. And all the societies that failed against Meteion? Monocultures. The primary advantage of the sundered is their cultural diversity.
Limsa, Ul'dah and Gridania have cultures, but they're fricking boring. There's no spice involved. Compare that to Warcraft where you start as a human and you're putting down a popular uprising at the behest of a noble family or the undead where your job is to literally hunt down the last humans of your kingdom and turn them into undead like you. Meanwhile you have israelites, pirates and treehuggers and they're all BFFs
Warcraft cultures sucks. They used to be a lot better, but got nerfed. I played troll and I am annoyed at how we became the token black friend of the horde over time.
>There's no spice involved.
Did you just not play the fricking game, moron? Did you miss Gridania's rampant, religiously-enforced racism and political issues? Ul'dah literally being a coin-based government in which the local church summons demons? Limsa Lominsa being a city of pirates kept under thumb by threat of force and also getting stabbed in the back by a shadow police of rogues? I could go into further detail about all of them just from early game quests.
Fricking idiot.
huh interesting. i didn't consider that connection between a single race untainted by race mixing with the garlean and ancient societies
I really can't blame them for latching on to groups like Garlemald or The Ancients. THe player races are fricking boring as sin because of their total lack of racial or cultural identity. It's one thing WoW unironically did right over XIV.
>Unlike this game, where every player race lives in a melting pot and has no unique culture or society of their own
I miss when that wasn't true
Viera have a clear culture
Xaela have a clear culture
Roes have a clear culture
Ishgardian elezens have a clear culture
>Ishgardian elezens have a clear culture
Which they share with Middies. Not even they are free of race mixing. See Hilda.
and besides maybe Roes we are outsiders to literally all of them. FFXIV is a rootless cosmopolitan's wet dream
that's FFXIV's fault for making every single nation that isn't Ishgard painfully fricking boring and lifeless. Look at TES, Warhammer or Warcraft, fantasy racism is fun.
>that's FFXIV's fault for making every single nation that isn't Ishgard painfully fricking boring and lifeless. Look at TES, Warhammer or Warcraft, fantasy racism is fun.
Could that have something to do with Japan's culture of comfority or something? Only the bad guys get to have actual culture.
>Why do those who hate the incorrect faction side with the correct faction
Because she forced me to kill my totally innocent friends, grrrrrr
It's best not think about EW's shitty story, according to it we need to be nuked each year or we will stagnate like the allagans, except not really because the allag empire was made by an ancient and that totally matter for some reason even though they starting stagnating on their on way after his death.
>Skyrim threads
Stormcloakgays and Imperialgays have fun bants with each other
>Fallout threads
NCRgays, Enclavegays, Legiongays and Housegays all make good points without schizoposting
>FFXIVgays
NOOOOOOO MOMMY VENAT IS PERFECT DON'T SAY ANYTHING BAD EVER ABOUT HER
AHHHHHHHH MUH FUJO FRIEND EMET WAS A GOOD BOI HE DINDU NUFFIN
why are JRPiGs so juvenile
>why are JRPiGs so juvenile
You can not even imagine how incredibly autistic the detritus of this community is. Saying one wrong thing can trigger some sperg out there to go full on stalking you. It is incredible the hair trigger some people have about this game.
no, the inauthenticity of his statement is presuming there aren't people like that in the TES fandom or the Fallout fandom
I can only speak for my own experience tbh, and I haven't been part of the other communities mentioned. Sad to hear it is similar elsewhere.
>Stormcloakgays and Imperialgays have fun bants with each other
Nah, it's always autistic shitflinging in either direction.
>NCRgays, Enclavegays, Legiongays and Housegays all make good points without schizoposting
Same here.
Any Ganker faction tribalism discussion is always filled with schizoposting because people get moronic and ignore the actual plot and story of the game to defend their favorite faction. It is particularly bad in XIV, though, you're right, but that's largely because one faction is provably populated by deranged Discord psychos.
>kills at least 17 planets (source: the final area of The Dead Ends is named The 17th End)
>"thank you for riding out my meltdown and giving me a hug afterwards, I'm gonna fly off with my sisters now"
If it wasn't for her being a literal AI with zero free will that was just following Hermes' shitty prompt I'd be upset with what she "got away with"
>I'm gonna fly off with my sisters now
What sisters? We fricking murdered them all, you goddamn moron. Meteion (singular) is the last remaining birb, and she's happy again.
Her words implied she was gonna die. Then she just appears as a bird at the end. Eihter this is yet another classic Ishikawa fakeout death, or that bird isn't literally her but just born of her or something.
I personally headcannon her as dead because she by all rights should be but whatever.
Meteion (our meteion, the one survivor) finished her mission by learning the answer to Hermes' question. She's probably aware that he's gone and has to be reborn, unless she can find him in the lifestream itself after Asahi drug him down.
She's also aware that she wouldn't be welcome pretty much anywhere in the universe, and that we may be the only individual in the entire universe that wouldn't kill her on sight. So her silently shadowing us I feel is what would fit her character best
What if Meteion joins our Party for 7.0?
if i had a choice i would drive a dagger through her cranium
I don't think she'd be very useful except for having effectively a souped up version of Krile's echo
Play GW2. FFxiv is dead.
GW2 can't even keep a thread long enough to get 50 posts, frick off.
shut the frick up HomoRat
>HomoRat
Do GW2gays just invent insults now? The frick is a homorat?
>The frick is a homorat
you, b***h
>Ganker hates Zodiark Trancers and loves Venat
>Reddit hates Zodiark Trancers and loves Venat
>Twitter hates Zodiark Trancers and loves Venat
>Literally the entire world hates Trancers and loves Venat
You'd think at some point these morons would self-reflect and think to themselves "is it just us? Are we actually wrong?"
I'm fine with being the bad guy. Someone has to call out the hypocrisy.
>I'm fine with being the bad guy. Someone has to call out the hypocrisy.
No need to get upset.
or maybe FFXIVgays are just losers that can barely handle a little bit of spice. How would you Black folk handle Elder Scrolls and their host of cosmic Gnostic/Hindu bullshit
we Take Estrogen and Prozac
Lorkhan is a gay and I'm glad he's dead. Human-bias trash.
>create the world of limitations so you can understand yourself and rise beyond it
>REEEEEE FRICK YOU DAD I WANTED TO BE A COSMIC NEET
Sophistry. Just like the Venatgays. Congrats, he tricked his family into killing themselves.
I handle Elder Scroll's shroomed up schizo lore just fine. I'd say XIV's lore has its own level of schizo, it's just actually told directly to you in the game so it doesn't seem as cracked out as Kirkbride's wild ride.
TES leans more heavily on Gnosticism and Hindu shit, but FFXIV does have its own share of Gnostic shit, and leans more heavily on the Japanese bipolar appreciation of Buddhism and Shintoism despite the two being diametrically opposed. Which gives it its own interesting flavor.
It's entirely fair to say that Venat is basically the Gnostic Demiurge, but in a GOOD way, because FFXIV has the distinctly Shintoist and Absurdist stance that despite all of the suffering and pain in life that it is undeniably beautiful and worth experiencing despite its lack of innate meaning. The Ascians are basically their own kind of brand of Sophia's true knowledge, because they know that the Sundered life is kind of just a shadow of what it once was, so they're opposed to the Demiurge (Venat).
But, again, because FFXIV leans on a more positive/Absurdist and Shintoist interpretation of life (as opposed to the Gnostic/Buddhist interpretation that life is suffering, shitty, and worse than oblivion), the Demiurge is the good guy and the people opposing creation are the bad guys (with Endsinger being born from the despair of life and serving as a road to oblivion, to reach a level of non-existence that Buddhism would hold preferable).
TL;DR: Japs are schizos about if life is worth living because their culture's main religions are diametrically opposed on that front.
except in most Jap media the Demiurge is evil and monstrous because ????
unlike Abrahamics who believe that both creation and the world of the spiritual are good, Japs have cognitive dissonance and as a result all their games are moronic hypocritical gobblediasiatic
Because they're literally copying Gnosticism, in which the Demiurge is evil and monstrous. Or because they're leaning on tropes that, to them, are interestingly foreign religious things because their culture didn't have a lot of influence from Christianity, Gnosticism, and Zoroastrianism until relatively recently. And, again, because they do have Buddhist influence in their culture, so they probably relate that to the Gnostic interpretation, which gives the whole "God is bad for making life" thing.
A lot of stories that go to this level of engaging with life's value get into cognitive dissonance schizo shit, though. Because that's what half of the philosophy about it is, anyways. It's why it's been such a heated topic of philosophical debate for centuries.
It's pretty stupid to call the absurd "schizo shit". There's nothing "schizo" about realizing that you are at odds with yourself if you exist as a sentient being because there's no actual reason for your existence other than the fact that you haven't yet died and just happen to realize that.
I think debating the merit of your own existence is inherently kind of schizophrenic. Not in a bad way, necessarily, but it's why debates about the topic always sound so autistic and stupid and get really confusing. It's innately based on cognitive dissonance and arguing against what you naturally feel (the urge to survive and thrive) and what logically makes sense (there's no inherent meaning in life). That only gets worse when you try to bring religious explanations of things into it (i.e. life was only created by a cruel demiurge). There's no way to not make discussing that sort of theme not sound schizo.
I don't think so at all, because schizophrenia is a mental illness. There's nothing mentally ill about a mind questioning itself. And I wasn't talking about merits, but about reasons. Merit implies a value judgment of some sort. You are of course correct that people that are unfit to handle these topics do sound like fricking idiots when they and talk about them at length.
>It's entirely fair to say that Venat is basically the Gnostic Demiurge
Venat is actually the Gnostic Lucifer, aka Prometheus. Her name, Venus, is in reference to her role as Lucifer. In FFXII Venat was a classically Luciferian figure, but in XIV she's a Gnostic Lucifer who leads man to eat from the tree and gain the wisdom, the 'fire of the gods'. That's also why they refer to dynamis as being 'torn from the heavens', as a nod to Prometheus.
You guys are way too smart to be posting on Ganker
I guess I could see that, too, yeah, I was just thinking from the perspective that Venat is basically the creator god of existence as it is in the setting. The comparison to Venat in XII does have that Promethean thing of a rebellious god that protected mankind/gifted mankind what they needed to thrive. It's probably not a 1:1, either way, because XIV references a lot of different philosophy, including Platonic ideals and shit, while also juggling references to other games.
godwin's law proven yet again. you guys will take this bait every single fricking time. you can only pretend to be a moron for so long before you actually become one so don't give me that 'its ironic' shit
godwin's law isn't a fallacy argument
As it turns out saving the universe from the cosmic suicide basscannon has a very high pricetag.
Crazy stuff.
>Create culture
>90% of people are of 1 race
>Force midlanders on it
Literally blacks and israelites
Bros help, there's this lala in my FC that won't stop always sitting right next to me and following me in town and invitig me to her Plot.
all I want to do is rape cute miqo and viera boys
Transgender
I can not keep up with the high level autism going on itt right now
Gendertrans
Man of Trans
They really didn't bother putting any more budget into this fricking expansion and it shows. Frick me I could have bought some beer instead of subbing today.
Hi, Yugiri is the WOL's canon love interest.
Just wanted to point that out.
I can count the fricking points on those eggs.
Worthless.
Based! Based! Based!
You're underselling it by just explaining that she's the WoL's love interest though. Yugiri is also his wife and the mother of his children.
Here, have my cute potato now that we're past bump limit
mine
i liked her. adios amigo
Transgirls
What happened to Krilesmasher69 and do they have a new account
Transmen
emech selch tried to kill you and your friends. If this doesn't resolve the discussion, you have a perverse worldview.
i shit on your midget ass Black person
This
All lala players are fricking obnoxious homosexuals.
jelly
this
Love this little shitposter like you wouldn't believe
i shit in your mother;s pussy gaygga
Venat would kill your ass to if you didn't confirm to her ideal too
Post sundering, Venat never did anything to kill anyone that didn't "conform to her worldview. She was about as hands off as Gods get.
Pre-sundering she put a stop to an insane egomaniacal plan to kill all the new life formed, for the sake of futily holding onto a lost paradise.
>I stopped your egocentric plan to carry out my egocentric plan that only worked because of your egocentric plan (Zodiark)
False equivalence, as expected
She did attack you to test you one final time and commit suicide by you. It's all good if you won that fight, but if we assume she would show you no mercy, then she would have killed you and simply waited for another incarnation of WoL to come.
>She did attack you to test you one final time and commit suicide by you. It's all good if you won that fight, but if we assume she would show you no mercy, then she would have killed you and simply waited for another incarnation of WoL to come.
What? She said explicity that she wanted you to flee on the moon if you lost, she wasn't going to kill you, moron.
Using the fricking sundering against you in a fight is a pretty fricking clear indication of not going easy on you.
Wut.
She literally says that if you can't beat her, then you must use the moon to flee instead. Zodiark is dead, there's no "waiting for another WoL", and she obviously had no interest in killing you.
She wasn't even committing suicide really, she was at death's door either way, at most it hastened the process, but her intention was always to give you what remained of her power if you won.
>but what if
she actually saved my life, several times. While emet selch shot my friend in the back.
Again, this is all very simple for people without perverse worldviews.
What ideal? The ideal of saving you and universe from a psychotic bird e-girl harem?
You will never be hingan
So long as I'm Hyur, that's enough. The fact that Au Ra girls literally have their romantic legend being the love of their princess with a Hyur man... literally built for crossbreeding.
Midlanders will never be hingans either, neither will hellguards
Anon... Midlanders built Hingashi. The Raen came along later during the Age of Blood when they got kicked off the Steppe.
Incorrect, midlanders are eastern hyurs are different races, they only look the same because SE is lazy with character models
and eastern hyurs*
>midlanders are eastern hyurs are different races
Eastern Hyurs are an offshoot of Midlanders that migrated east during the fall of Allag and brought ninjutsu and the knowledge of aetherytes with them.
Thread is about to die, but Heaven on High mostly. Note in CT how the Allagans already had ninjutsu. Heaven on High was constructed by Allagan refugees who established the onishishu to keep the secrets of technology such as the aetherytes. Shinryu is also their memory of Midgardsormr.
>Shinryu is also their memory of Midgardsormr.
You mean Niddhogg, cutscene skipper
Wrong. Ilberd summoned a Midgardsormr primal, bud.
That doesn't mean they built hingashi, there are also snow Black person hyur tribes north of garlemald who apparently tormented them, those had nothing to do with allag or eorzea
Midlanders are just as native to Hingashi as lizards you fricking moron.
i prefer to be a a wealthy tourist.
Don't leave the port city or we will Goemon you.
You take very cute/good screenshots
Trancers unironically consider the Ascians their "real" friends, and hate the scions.
The frick are you on about, I love the scions and I'm an unironic asciangay.
I hate the Ascians and the Scions both.
>Make fun of Hyur
No reaction
>Make fun of Miqo
No reaction
>Make fun of Elezen
No reaction
>Make fun of literally any other race
No reaction
>Make fun of Lala's
A bunch of hyper defensive morons start spamming the thread, usually with porn.
>Make fun of femroes
Find out next thread!
Someone's clearly never made fun of femroes
Can you try to make a post again but without covering it in tears?
I can't read your post
Case in point.
Never seen any threads derailed by femroe spam.
>567
>87
Feels like a general here
Post more.
>tfw want to do yuri shots with my OC and an NPC but I can't decide which NPC to use
>BLU content is already dead