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Turn on your cum stance
>Yoshida confirms once again that Island Sanctuary does not have housing
Houselets seething.
Does not != will not
Insane levels of cope
houselet cope
So what, it's Diadem 2.0?
In which case YAAAAAAAAAAAAWNNNNNN
Google not garden in FFXI. That's Island sanctuary. Daily login click three nodes get currency toward Minion/mount/glam and old crafting materials
Now the question is do I continue shitposting about having two homes for my two chars since 2014? Or is it time for a new form of baiting outrage on Reddit and stuff?
Yeah, it sucks. I hope they can still be pushed to incorporate housing elements for Island Sanctuaries in later patches as they continue to iterate on the feature.
what is the origin of this pic? I'm not an mmo player
ZODIARK TRANCE!!!
>Y--YY-Y-YOU WILL PAY FOR HARMING MY FRIENDS VENAAAAAT!!! THIS IS FOR HADES, HYTOLOA AND LALALALABREHAD
Sex with viera
ZODIARK TRANCE
This image should be banned for its level of cringe
Post the edit
Has anyone actually read the rest of the comic? Holy frick it's cringe.
Why are ESLs capable of producing cringekino like this.
anime was a mistake
Gohan.
they grew up with dragon ball z
it's also why they can't process any story more complex than that
To be fair, XIV story isn't too different from the DBZ one.
wait theres more than one panel? i just saw the zodiark trance one
WHERE IS THE FULL COMIC
I NEED THE CRINGE
It's on Reddit
>deleted by mods
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
The worse part is that even if this cringe kino was what actually happend in game, it literally wouldn't change anything, we would still fight her and she would still die.
And even more so if the wol was petty and or dumb enough to try and call her out on all this, I'm sure she would apologize anyway for "failing mankind" or something. The whole comic has no reason to even exist.
>if the wol was petty and or dumb enough to try and call her out on all this
WoL had a temper tantrum at the mere sight of Gaius in Ala Mhigo and that's just for a bunch of literal nobodies and a flying cabbage.
Venat fricking up so hard that she killed literally everyone despite WoLs warnings should merit at the very least the designated [...] edgelord dialogue option you get everywhere else except this one scene where Ishikawa really wants you to pretend you don't consider Venat to be an unhinged lunatic.
>despite WoLs warnings
Bro Elidibus literally tells you that nothong you do in the past will change the present.
Because you return to your own timeline no matter what, which would be fine and dandy if Venat didn't react to you recognizing her or her dog actually knowing you meaning you.
This means that you haven't created a timeline where things just work out. It means that Venat learned the future from future WoL and sat on her ass doing frickall, making the time travel itself effectively meaningless where it could have been an Exarch equivalent where you risk your timeline to create one timeline where nothing goes to hell only for your timeline to remain anyway to be fixed.
>This means that you haven't created a timeline where things just work out
Anon that wasn't the goal in the first place, nor was it possible. G'raha made a new timeline using tech from fricking Alexander, Omega, Allag, and whatever fricking else the Ironworks could get their hands on, not to mention they probably got a boost from Middy and maybe even Hydaelyn herself.
WoL did not go to Elpis to stop the Final Days or create a new timeline, WoL went to get info. He didn't even intend to interact with anyone there until Emet and Hythlo showed up, and Venat was the one who said they could maybe try to change things.
At no point was it ever WoL's goal or expectation to stop the original Final Days.
>Anon that wasn't the goal in the first place, nor was it possible.
I get it that you are special and have a hard time following a conversation but I already explained why WoL returns to his timeline, thus changing nothing for himself, just like Elidibus says.
It's the same principle thanks to which G'raha can't just return to his timeline and that place suddenly becomes a paradise on earth.
The mere fact that WoL travelled back in time should have been the thing to split the timeline because Venat suddenly operates on new information. Instead, WoL canonically travels back in time in the current timeline meaning Venat was *always* operating on said information, meaning Venat had an opportunity to fix everything and didn't. For no reason which is probably a good thing because any reason you may think of only makes her seem more unhinged.
People here are not intelligent enough to understand how timetravel and fixed loops work. XIV does not allow the introduction of a paradox which means that Venat was either extremely stupid or actively malevolent. The writing is so incredibly poor that the way they try to portray and contextualize the character runs absolutely contrary to what it ends up doing, but insane Hydaelynhomosexuals start to seethe whenever you point that out. Anyway, frick the shardlets, frick the mommyhomosexuals, frick the shards, Amaurot now.
Venat says she'd spend the time until the Final Days gathering followers she could trust, and those followers are the ones that summon Hydaelyn. Cope and seethe more, asciangay.
Good job using words to say absolutely nothing at all, I guess? Have you considered a career in politics?
I accept your concession.
There is nothing to concede to considering that all you have to offer is demagoguery and insult slinging.
>Waaaaaaaaah
I already accepted your concession, no need to cry further.
>Venathomosexual regresses into gradeschool mentality after being confronted with his impotence
Like poetry.
>Asciangay STILL has not refuted
Too easy to own your types with facts and logic, sigh.
You sound like a b***h and you haven't refuted anything.
>Venat did X get fricked asciangay
What is there to refute again?
>spend time before the Final Days to gather followers
>only manages to get 12 people
lol
Amaurotines genuinely did not give a frick about any issue that wasn't immediately on their doorstep. One of the Aether Current quests in Amaurot shows that.
That was half the people left after everyone else became an hero. Bretty gud Tbh
And that was enough to accomplish her goal. What's your point? If anything, getting 12 people in a collectivist utopia to believe in the apocalypse is an impressive feat.
>The mere fact that WoL travelled back in time should have been the thing to split the timeline
Bro do you not know how fricking Time Loops work?
Venat DID try to fix things without sundering everything and the Amaurotines ignored her to chase after their delusions. The only thing WoL would ever change is confirming to Venat that she needed to become Hydaelyn.
Azem knew the plan and knows who WoL is. The Pandemonoum storyline shows that. He was off dealing with other potential shit.
>Bro do you not know how fricking Time Loops work?
You are a dipshit, I get it. Timeloops are not supposed to be involved in this scenario because of what happens in Shadowbringers and that one shortstory from the other timeline.
>Venat DID try to fix things without sundering everything and the Amaurotines ignored her to chase after their delusions.
But who am I kidding, you are an honest to god fanfic writter, so enjoy this last (You) calling you a dipshit.
Cutscene skipper
It's unbecoming to pout when you realize you're wrong, anon.
>But who am I kidding, you are an honest to god fanfic writter, so enjoy this last (You) calling you a dipshit
We literally watch her try and sway them before sundering everything, and the context over the conversation combined with Emet's own retelling up events back in Shadowbringers makes it clear this was not the first time either.
We also saw first hand that Emet has a difficult time believing outlandish, albiet true, stories. Because even when we, living evidence, sat before him he still didn't believe it. Why would he believe Venat when she has even less evidence than we did?
Stop skipping cutscenes.
Not that anon but she also could have had him or anyone else just go to the little island Hermes sent out all his Metions on and use echo, or have him use the echo on her and be like this is what happened, or echo in the room the story was told in. There are ways to get him suspicious enough to investigate on his own, which is what he did when you went off with Venat.
The problem is mostly that there are obvious solutions to get the information across to people which as far as we know she did not use. It probably wouldn't have changed much though.
>Had an opportunity to fix everything
She says she'd find allies, and she does. And in the cutscene that shows the sundering she actively tries to appeal to the survivors, but they're high on Zodiark and don't listen. The ancients couldn't have done anything anyway because they can't manipulate dynamis.
And the time travel in Elpis is different from the kind G'raha did. The Shadowbringers time travel incorporated the crystal tower as a catalyst, as well as Omega's dimensional rift technology to jump laterally to another dimension in addition to going back in time. This is why the bad future isn't erased. We don't use that Omega tech when we go back in time to Elpis because it'd mean dooming our original universe.
did you forget that meteion could manipulate dynamis to warp reality around her
creating a stronger, more purpose-built monster as a tool to bend dynamis to their will would be a cakewalk
We only won because our experiences made us better at harnessing dynamis. If the ancients created a familiar to try and do the same thing, it'd have just been corrupted by Meteion because their society was a utopia that didn't know any kind of struggle. That's the entire reason behind the sundering: creating a harsh world that could endure the kind of shit Meteion would eventually throw at it.
none of this is mentioned anywhere in the game
>Characters need to directly look at the camera and say "It sure is great that we've learned how to deal with hardship for thousands of years in order to fight this giant bird" for anon to get the themes of a story for children.
Didn't Yshtola said exactly this after Hydaelin fight?
That's the joke yes.
What hardship did the WoL unironically face
alisaie being a yappy c**t every cutscene.
>Grinding for mounts with 7 morons in extreme trials
>Dealing with Alphinaud's dumb ass in ARR
>Dealing Lyse for an entire expansion
>Horsefart's death
>Getting a e-girl's fake death pinned on you
>Dealing with autistic dragons.
>Getting attacked by yourself
>Undiagnosed schizophrenia
>Dealing with israeli midlander women for cool looking weapons.
>Going through a piss dungeon full of Malboro.
alphinaud was cool in arr when he was a secret agent cia homie for a small part. Yda was also better than lyse but Lyse isnt so bad.
Alisaie is irredeemable flanderized trash.
>dealing with autistic dragons
NOOOO YOU CANT JUST SUMAMRIZE HWKINO LIKE THAT LOL.
>only autists understand autists
HOLY KINO.
It's ok dragons are literally alien to us
>NOOOO YOU CANT JUST SUMAMRIZE HWKINO LIKE THAT LOL.
Yea how could he forget evil pope.
I should play HW again because I'm still confused why Horsefart is so fricking important and beloved by not only the fandom but the WoL. Every single time the WoL remembers dead people it's always him and not Ysayle who sacrificed herself to save us from an actual threat and not an attack that I could have easily survived because my socks probably had a higher armor rating than everything Haucherfant was wearing. He hardly even remembers Ardbert who is a much more tragic figure and hung out with you for far longer.
Part of it is because a moron localizer who was kicked off the team destroyed his personality, to the point where he didn't even make his signature emote (the one you get from the Heavensward remembrance quest).
Because he was the only person to give you sanctuary.
Give you sanctuary from what? The only people who were against the WoL were two corrupt politicians, one of which was immediately killed and the other which just let the issue go after we rescued Raubahn. Not to mention that optional dialogue in Limsa and Gridania showed they had absolutely no intention of following the order to capture you, so the WoL and Alphi could have stayed there if they wanted. The only reason you go to Ishgard is to set up HW.
>said politicians were shown to have hands in places far beyond their nations
cmon man
Did you ignore the part of my post where said politicians weren't an issue because one died and the other didn't actually care to capture you and only wanted the other politician out of the way and used you for that? You were in no danger from anyone but Ilberd and his band of morons.
Partly yes but once again, that doesn't mean these politics had no ways to reach you in those cities. One of the reason Ishgard was safer is because it was a harder reach, they still reaches the place, it was just harder because not everybody could just go in, unlike Limsa and Gridania
He was one of the few who gave him an opportunity post-bloody banquet, and he did a lot for WoL and company. For instance, he basically made it easy for WoL to take refuge in Ishgard. That being said, I do believe the community giving him too much credit is them being spergs
Cutscene skippers are so moronic.
>What hardship did the WoL unironically face
Chronic neck pains from years of nodding.
Having to listen to Venats self righteous rubbish after finding out everything she told you in the past 7 (actually still 1 lmao) years was a lie is pretty grating not gonna lie.
Alternatively, you had to tolerate mhiggers for one full expansion.
>Hydaelyn lied!
I always hear this said, but nobody ever explains what exactly she lied to you about.
word of the mother shit thats just handwavied away by the watcher and the writers. i understand why they did it but its still a jarring WTF. lol.
Can you say that again but in english
First thing that comes to mind is how she claimed she bound Zodiark because Zodiark wanted more power
This is nonsense because
>Zodiark never wanted more power
>She didn't just want to bind him, she deliberately cheapshoted him while Elidibus/Zodiark was trying to deescalate the conflict
>She was the one to start the conflict in the first place
>while Elidibus/Zodiark was trying to deescalate the conflict
please, the dude is Zodiark's pawn at this point, what was Elidibus going to do except try to force the opposing party to succumb to the majority and Zodiark's will
Zodiark is not an independent entity. It was all Elidibus. But in a moronic scenario where Zodiark WAS an independent entity, read pic related
While we are on the topic of in game dialogue no venatsimp has ever read, how about this literary abortion
>Hydaelyn was weaker than Zodiark so she sundered him to bind him
>She also bound herself equally because ????
>This makes 1/14th of a Hydaelyn stronger than 1/14th Zodiark whom she couldn't originally beat
>But rejoinings which return equal pieces of Hydaelyn and Zodiark to the source make her weaker because ?????
>So 8/14th hydaelyn is almost too weak to hold onto 8/14th zodiark
I wonder if anyone bothered to proofread these or did they just said "Frick it, they'll eat this garbage up anyway"
>Zodiarkgay cannot understand the story, so he calls it bad.
Why are you so proud of being ignorant
You are forgetting Elidibus withdrew himself from Zodiark, weakening him.
But Elidibus was still not in Zodiark.
Fact is there's no reason for Hydaelyn to have ever gotten weaker. In fact given she fights us, I think she was just lying about that.
>Elidibus wasnt Zodiark
You are desperate to defend this but you haven't actually through through what you just posted either.
If Elidibus jumping out of Zodiark is what made him weaker, why is she terrified of planet being 9/14th rejoined which will somehow make Zodiark strong enough to break out.
If Elidibus is the dealbreaker, she should have no issues with the planet being rejoined more because it betters the odds of WoL actually beating Meteion in the future.
Bro Zodiark is literally a brainless husk for the whole game since Eldibussy ejected himself from it.
>Zodiark is literally a brainless husk
Isn't it implied it kind of has a will of its own even without a driver? I mean when Fantaman merges, the souls inside are clearly very distressed about it and try to resist, and it's only mid-fight when he fully manages to fully take over.
Similar thing with Zenos and Shinryu, the latter still tried to fulfill designated its goal as primal until getting captured.
Yeah sort of but it really had no actionable drive.
Have you ever played Blue Mage, anon? You know how Swiftcast+1000 needles is absolutely godlike at extremely low levels because nothing has more than 1000 HP, but quickly becomes useless as you get higher and higher in level as HP values inflate. At level 90, your shitty 1000 damage spell is completely worthless since bosses HP values are millions of times larger than it.
Imagine if you had a spell that could drag you and your opponent back to level 1. Proportionally you'd still be doing the exact same damage to each other, but you could still oneshot them with 1000 needles because now their HP is below 1000.
This would make sense if Hydaelyn was stronger to begin with. Remember, sundering splits things equally which means that if Hydaelyn was weaker than Zodiark then sundering herself is completely counterproductive because she puts herself back on the same power scale again.
This doesn't make any sense.
Think of it like this: it's easier to contain Godzilla in an iron cage if he's the size of a person than if he's the size of a city. The strength of the person wrestling him into that cage isn't that relevant to the equation. However, when Godzilla grows larger he eventually reaches the point where he can break out of the cage.
The sealing spell used to contain Zodiark was explicitly designed to work post-Sundering. It could simply be that post-Sundering Zodiark just wasn't strong enough to break itself out of however many tons of moon rock Venat shoved it inside.
No matter how many vapid references to other media you make, this will never not be the most moronic part of Endwalker.
Stop excusing garbage writing. Especially since you are doing it for free for a corporation.
I am not sure about the Zodiark's pawn thing but it is implied that Elidibus had to become a Primal, doing that alone would turn you into a pawn of something in the same way Hydaelyn was a pawn to Venat. Like the Golem myth, you gotta be very clear in the orders given to it, otherwise it's gonna hurt you back
Elidibus was "the heart" of Zodiark, much like Zenos used the Echo to turn himself into the heart of Shinryu. Zodiark by himself wasn't gonna do shit but Elidibus knowing just how rough it was he used his powers to temper those that would hinder him much like he sowed hope and belief in warriors of light to get power in ShB.
Remember, creation magics don't carry tempering as a feature, but it was taught by design by the ascians to the tribes who wanted everyone to worship their God, all except for the Ramuh who just wanted to keep his children away from harm, which was reflected in his summoning, since creations reflect the state of mind of the summoner (Seen when that underage kobold summoned Titan and he only screamed for his parents)
Zodiark absolutely wanted more power. Literal power, as in the energy it'd get from sacrificing all non-Ancient life which it could then use to bring back the dead Ancients. Y'know, the final phase of the plan that Venat and her buddies objected to?
>Zodiark never wanted more power
The ancients solved their problems with human sacrifices but even when the planet was habitable they were still compelled to sacrifice more people, because they were tempered by him.
>De-escalate the conflict
There wasn't a conflict to de-escalate. Zodiark solved the problem of the Final Days, but his powers were still being abused.
>She was the one to start the conflict in the first place.
That was Meteion, and by extension Hermes.
>Compelled
No, they did it deliberately
>more people
No, they were planning to sacrifice planets energy, plantlife, animals, fricking crystals because those still exist even though venatgays desperately want to ignore that fact
>because they were tempered by him.
No.
>There wasn't a conflict to de-escalate.
There literally was, see: Emet's description of Venat/Zodiark conflict, Elidibus's description of his time as Zodiark in 5.0 and 5.3 respectively.
> but his powers were still being abused.
They were never abused in the first place
>That was Meteion, and by extension Hermes.
The only correct part of this post, but only partially. Venat was in the know that Meteion existed and that her doing what she's about to do would wipe out her race. She willingly did so anyway meaning she's equally responsible.
Emet literally says he was tempered by Zodiark. Stop skipping cutscenes.
>They were planning to sacrifice planets energy, plantlife, animals, crystals
So...they were planning to sacrifice more life to give Zodiark power, just like I said.
>They were never abused in the first place.
Sacrificing newly born lives just to get dead people back, in a society that ostensibly placed value on the honor of returning to the lifestream, is absolutely an abuse of power and a sign of how the Ancients degraded morally in their final moments.
>Venat is equally responsible
Meteion was going to wipe out the Ancients anyway, because they weren't able to manipulate dynamis in order to fight her. Sundering was the last resort when they refused to stop relying on Zodiark and come up with a more feasible solution than "sacrifice more lives and return to utopia."
>Emet literally says he was tempered by Zodiark. Stop skipping cutscenes.
Stupid fricking speedreading Black person, you were GIVEN ACTUAL INGAME DIALOGUE THAT CONFIRMS THEY WEREN'T FROM AS RECENTLY AS THIS FRICKING EXPANSION.
Not even gonna bother with the rest of the post, you are so fricking stupid you couldn't possibly have written anything worth responding to there.
>EXPLAIN THE STORY I SKIPPED
No, continue being a homosexual that gets basic story beats wrong, and we'll continue laughing at you.
You are so moronic LOL
>Stupid fricking speedreading Black person, you were GIVEN ACTUAL INGAME DIALOGUE THAT CONFIRMS THEY WEREN'T FROM AS RECENTLY AS THIS FRICKING EXPANSION.
Funny because even Livingway's exposition doesn't say what you think it does. He's using *different* magicks that don't temper you, and if the being was on the scale of Zodiark it would at most make you feel a slight tug. Again, that's with their specific "safe" magicks.
That doesn't mean that all primals suddenly don't temper you.
>Speedreads the Ganker(nel).org posts
Anon. We are talking about Zodiark.
>because they were tempered by him.
>No.
Bro even Emet proudly admits it.
>even if I lied, you'd find it indistinguishable from the truth.
It doesn't matter if the Ascians's aether was inked black thanks to Zodiark's influence or not, regardless of that they were still of a mind to commit atrocities in the name of everything they summoned their god of dark for. There's not a single thing of significance that changes in the story whether we consider them "tempered" or not, as they were always aware of their actions like Tiamat instead of a lobotomised husk or blind zealot like most of the primals' victims.
These posts remind me daily that every venatgay is a cutscene skipper that cherrypicks dialogue found on Ganker after finishing a playthrough. No exceptions.
Remember when discussing lore of this game was actually fun?
>Get proven wrong
>Cry
>look mom, I'm shitposting
>Remember when discussing lore of this game was actually fun?
Before 2-3 schizophrenic morons derailed every thread whining that Venat is a psychotic genocidal maniac? Yeah those were good days
>Venatgay headcanon
this didn't happen prior to her introduction so blame her
Anon, ff14 threads leading up to Shadowbringers were full of anons saying the expansion was going to be us turning on Hydaelyn because they assumed she caused the Flood of Light. You're either new or a revisionist.
>they were wrong on predictions
Doesn't mean threads are shit now because of venatgays shilling their sole mother figure. I clearly know more than you about past threads if you are ignoring that
>Premise of the thread is literally a cringekino comic about a Zodiarkgay's fanfiction
>"Why are Venatgays debating us..."
>seething this hard over a random fricking fanfic
my advise, stop using the internet for a while, you are too young for it
i remember those. i personally thought the worst it would get is a reminder that Hydaelyn's purpose was an even higher calling to her than how much she valued us.
then again i thought alisaie was titania, that the girl fighting with you on rhalgr's hand was a mime and that shiva was the primal of the gigas. i can't find it but my endwalker bingo card only had 2.5 squares ticked off
And post-5.0 everyone turned on Hydaelyn because the expansion revealed that ancients did literally nothing wrong and Zodiark sacrifice plan had no malicious subcontext behind it.
The only difference between 3 years ago and now was
>Hydaelyn faction is insane, they killed their race to preserve plants and animals ancients tried to sacrifice
which coincidentally turned out to Hermes MO
vs now
>Venat is insane, she killed everyone for no reason at all
Arguably the ecoterrorist larpers were more fun to talk to because there was so much less ingame dialogue they could ignore to post headcanon instead.
>The ancients literally did nothing wrong
Incorrect
>Zodiark sacrifice plan had no malicious subcontext behind it.
Except it did. They sacrificed half their number twice, then planned to sacrifice the new lives that had sprung up afterwards against their will.
>Hydaelyn faction is insane, they killed their race to preserve plants and animals ancients tried to sacrifice
Headcanon
>Venat is insane, she killed everyone for no reason at all
Incorrect.
You've been wrong about time travel, lore, and basic character motivations. I hope you keep entertaining us before the thread hits the post limit.
>Venatsimp calling anything headcanon
Oh the ironing.
>ecoterrorist larpers
Oh yeah, I remember that. There was one particular sperg who would start shitting and pissing everywhere the moment anyone put "Trees" and "Zodiark" anywhere in the same sentence.
I thought it was pretty self-explanatory that Zodiark was the shield for the final days during shadowbringers and that killing him would be certain death, that's why she split him but didn't outright kill him. The one thing that was explained during endwalker was that the sundering was intentional and not just an after-effect like Emet said.
>self righteous
she was objectively right about everything
If you are the sort of homosexual who agrees with Hermes, sure, I can see how you'd say that.
literally no one agrees with Hermes, not even Hermes himself
Except every venatgay who concluded that because ancients were inperfect in a way, they should all be killed because they don't appreciate life enough.
Not what Venatchads said at all, Zodiarcuck.
It literally is tho
Venat sundered the ancients because they were morons who got eaten by their own creations because they are fricking stupid, she sundered them for being brainlets
I like how completely opposite of Hermes Amon turned out to be and how he would hate what he became, it makes sense that reincarnation wouldn't be exactly like your previous self.
Y'shtola wiggling her ass around but acting offended when he brings it up.
>Y'shtola wiggling her ass around but acting offended when he brings it up.
She seems to be the kind of woman who goes "Oh, and what are you going to do about it?" in regards to that.
FFXIV 1.0
i could also extrapolate and say that the wol has suffered through jack shit so their incredible ability to manipulate dynamis is simply through force of will. the shit writing just doesn’t end huh?
You'd also be wrong but you're determined to be a homosexual so I can't stop you from making seetheposts every day.
>can’t explain it away and literally resorts to ‘ur wrong!!’
ok then
>Prove my opinion wrong!
homosexual.
b***h did you not pay attention to anything during Thavnair 2, which went into great detail about Hydaelyn's teachings on suffering and how you need to deal with it instead of hiding from it like a b***h?
what does that have anything to do with the ancients’ ability to create a subordinate that would be able to harness what they cannot?
do the omega side quest from 6.1
it ends with still no conclusive mechanism on how omega might obtain and utilise what it lacks that humans have. which is to say it’s completely silent on how dynamis is utilised in combat
ok but did you notice how the entire thing was about how people’s experience in life prepared them to face the hardships that Meteion throws at them? Which the post I was replying to said isn’t anywhere in the game?
nope, we were just arguing about whether or not the ancients could have created a dynamis weapon to counter meteion
the stupid reply i got back was ‘no because they don’t know suffering’ which is moronic because nowhere does it say that you must know suffering to create a subordinate that utilise dynamis
the only limiting factor to dynamis that was actually stated by the game is aether density, any other claim about limits to its use is fanwank
There's absolutely no way they could have, exactly because they didn't know suffering. It's like trying to build a submarine to reach the sea floor but you don't know what water pressure is. The sub'd fricking crumple and kill everyone inside once it hit a certain depth.
not really. the creators of alphago don’t even know the decision making process that the ai uses to play its games. it’s possible to create something without understanding how it works
I really shouldn't have to tell you this, but there's a difference between designing something to win at a game in a scenario where it won't immediately die because it was unprepared and building something to survive an extremely hostile environment.
>nowhere does it say that you must know suffering to create a subordinate that utilise dynamis
Not my argument at all, moron-kun. The ancients could create beings that manipulate dynamis, but Meteion would overpower them because she's been taking in the dynamis of thousands of dead civilizations.
The entire premise of our walk to her in Ultima Thule was how her despair literally made it uninhabitable, and only the Scions using the emotional fortitude they'd built up over 4 expansions made it a livable zone that we could advance in.
Not him but honestly, with the premise built up to that point of how powerful Meteion became its hard to believe the Scions achieved anything
They also mention dynamis needs strong emotions. Also people forget the fact that Meteion had to grow as power as she was. Even if they did make something that could use dynamis it wouldn't be anywhere near as powerful as Meteion.
Have you tried playing the game?
yeah that’s how i know nowhere in the game is it even slightly implied that given infinite time and resources, the ancients would be unable to come up with a creation that can utilise dynamis effectively for their own ends
She was also a hive mind that had seen the death of hundreds of stars and would be extremely more powerful than any single entity they could make. Also Hermes was than main expert on dynamis and had has mind wiped to believe his life's work to be a massive failure.
>She says she'd find allies, and she does.
Yeah, to kill everyone.
She forms a death cult around herself.
>And in the cutscene that shows the sundering she actively tries to appeal to the survivors, but they're high on Zodiark and don't listen
The cutscene is not only not literal and not something you should ever alude to if you want to have a conversation about what takes place ingame, if we actually bothered to acknowledge it, then the game tells you that the only way Venat "helped" her people with the information that she had was by telling them to just cope, suffer and die after they sacrificed 3/4ths of their planets population to save everything.
This is also why I told you to not even try to find a reasonable explanation for why she did what she did. You will only villainize her more.
she didn’t kill anyone. did you skip the entire second half of Shadowbringers?
>I arbitrarily changed the definition of what killing is so technically she didn't kill anyone 🙂
Simps are fricking insane, man.
The entire reason Emet didn’t snap his fingers and stop us immediately in Shadowbringers was because he believed we were still his good friend Azem. If sundering wasn’t the same as killing, then the entire concept of awakening shards of convocation members wouldn’t work.
>To kill everyone
Zodiark cultists were the ones sacrificing half their population several times, cutscene skipper-kun.
This is bait, lore spergs should take note not to respond to it.
>Alternative lore
You're sweating pretty hard now that people who paid attention to the lore are here, Zodiarcuck.
sundering is murder too
>as well as Omega's dimensional rift technology to jump laterally to another dimension
No. Where the hell did you get that from you actual moron? Nothing in game even implies this is what took place.
Omega was used to get the Crystal tower from The Source to The First. No timeline jumping involved.
Omega would be all about timeline bullshit and not a tournament of power if it could travel inbetween dimensions. Unlike greg, it's not the same machine from FFV.
Lorelet. Do the Twinning again.
they literally send THEIR crystal tower from THEIR future source to OUR present first
it hopped timelines and shards lmao
Are you under the impresion that the WoL went to the past to stop the first final days?
yea i found that wol getting mad at gaius after shb was just lame plot setting.
>oh we hate this guy
>oh hes not bad after all
just forced railroading storytelling.
>expecting the highly vocal minority of Venatcucks projecting mommy issues to understand
there is a reason why they post wojaks, reddit memes and goalpost, they are tourists, and so they come up with all sorts of excuses to cope
>WoL had a temper tantrum at the mere sight of Gaius in Ala Mhigo
I don't remember that. I remember WoL being a bit on guard at The Burn, but that was understandable since Gaius tried to fricking kill WoL.
The Ruby Weapon questline intro has Gaius arrive at Ala Mhigo to warn eorzea that giant robots will soon start dropping in.
WoL arrives mid conversation and starts acting like a spastic without giving you an option to be atleast ambivalent to him.
yea i hated that too. bad direction. like bozja cutscenes.
speaking of which, who wrote the Weapon series? was it the fujo?
anyone could have honestly. all they did was rip off 30 years of robot anime cliches and tropes.
>father daughter bonding
>moronic kid protagonists
>absolutely 1 dimension antagonist
>more muh garlean bullshit.
>this imperial has a black 3rd eye just because
it was really shit. the only thing that was funny was gaius at the end goes thanks for everything holy frick why were we even enemies in the first place? given that it wa shit because he never went back to garlemald because of voice acting scheduling issues and dumb plot reasons.
CHOCOLATE BUNNY SEXOOOOOO
PLEASE GOD GIVE ME A BUNNY WIFE
>All that ESL babble
Where can I read the rest of this garbage, this is hilarious
Reddit
is he supposed to be hermes or the wol?
Why are americans like this
this is why I hate anime
just hate ESLs instead.
cringe transcends language
Anyone got the manchild edit?
Kinocringe here. Anyone know where the full comic is?
Reddit
nah the author deleted it there
Someone needs to post the full comic here. Didn't the author have a twitter or something.
It's on reddit
Is this the lost Tails gets Trolled finale chapter?
>>Hey dude, it's whatever if you want to insult my English, I'm aware that my English isn't that good and writing is always my weakness. But I take offense to your unfounded accusation of tracing images. I don't spend months drawing this in my spare time only for people like you to say things like that.
>>I was trying to make something out of my comfort zone, I was frustrated by it, yet I still try my best to finish this. I had to keep drawing even when I was really sick last week, because otherwise I will lose my nerve and motivation. So yeah, to say this piece is important to me is an understatement.
>>Do you really how toxic you are? Why can't you be like anyone else who only insult me with "lol so edgy" "your argument is weak" "venat isn't evil you idiot"? But no, you had to bring my art into the fight by accusing me of tracing. Next time you see some artworks you hate, kindly downvote it and move on.
~The artist.
this Hispanic is based because hes making the venat Black folk seethe and letting us have more threads.
None of the comic looks traced to me. The comic is peak kinocringe and feels ESL, but I can say the art is pretty kino.
>Spends "months" of his time between freshman homework assignments drawing this angsty cringe
>Still uses comic sans
I'm a through-and-through mommygay but there's just something so pure about this early 2000's deviantart awfulness that turns it around into genuine fun.
Do straight guys actually get turned on by the sight of a vegana? They're fricking ugly and when I have sex I don't even look at it.
shut up homosexual
I'm straight, and even I know that dicks are objectively more aesthetically pleasing than veganas
I dunno man, I like my willy but wrinkly balls and veiny shafts are pretty gross
>wrinkly balls and veiny shafts are pretty gross
filtered
They're my biggest turn-on, and every porn I consume must show vegana or I don't care. Of course like everything there are beautiful ones and ugly ones, i'm not a fan of meat curtains, but the one you replied to? Looks mighty fine.
I don't know why I like it so much, maybe because when I was 8-ish I saw one and it stayed in my head
DISTURBING SEXUAL CONTENT OF VENAT AND THE WOL
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/468805-The-feeling-of-beeing-Home-...?p=6041685#post6041685
They need to wrap up things with the few remaining Ascians but otherwise holy frick am I glad we're done with those puffcloud homosexuals.
I want to conquer 13th and make a void army
i was led to assume they all just sort of gave up when they find out zodiark is kill
I mean they're probably not still planning the great Rejoining but they're still a bunch of immortal space lichee that need to answer for their crimes.
Only two of them are left, the rest are either dead by our hands or by Shadowhunter's
We not counting Gaia? I feel like we should count that semen demon.
Loghrif is dead for now since Gaia chooses to remain as Gaia, at least until Gaia herself dies and chooses to re-remember
I guess the fact she's still stuck in optional content confirms they aren't going to use her as a plot piece in the future
gaia was shit anyways. anything nomura touches is cringe.
homie we gon fight
they could always make it mandatory like crystal tower
they can force it as a msq requirement on a whim
>they can force it as a msq requirement on a whim
They should just make all the raid series mandatory, since stuff like Alexander and Omega tie into ShB and EW. Possibly introduce easy moodo version of Coils as well, or at least tweak few of its encounters like IMPERIUM IMPERIUM IMPERIUM AVE. It'd make roulettes more fun as well so we'd get the actually fun encounters more often.
didn't read but based
I'm hoping they'll do exactly that in order to have Ryne and Gaia in the MSQ for 7.0.
Like, if you can force people to play CT so you can shove in that damn fujobait Graha everywhere, then making people play 12 walk-on tier easy mode fights for a couple of cute teen girls should be a no-brainer.
or they could just add them and the void homies to the MSQ and put their backstories in that codex they added
which is a shame since before endwalker having a being like Gaia on our side would have been great
Could be useful now aswell since we keep going into the past to keep our future.
Gonna be mad if Meteion doesn't pop in a few times during our future adventures.
Gaia is more relevant for an expansion focused on the Void than she would've been for EW.
VOIDwalker, remember?
speaking of, didn't we have a conversation with Cid about some kind of void-protection or armor?
plz no
I'm not fighting Diabolos yet again
ROUND THREE (Four?) MOTHER FRICKER
>meet Diabolos again except this time we're the ones invading his world
KINO
Dare I say it, LUDO
>Halmarut
>Pashtarot
>Altima
>Deudalaphon
There's four left senpai five if they ever address that Emmerololth plot hole
>STORM OF BLOOD,
>BORN FROM BLOOD,
>OF OUR FALLEN BROTHERS,
>THUNDER STILLED,
>OATHS FULFILLED,
>NOW WE YEARN FOR FREEDOM,
>BORN IN BLOOD [STILL WE FORGE AHEAD],
>STAINED IN RED [UNTO TOMORROW],
>BOUND BY LOVE [SO WE FORGE AHEAD],
>PURPOSE FED [UNTO TOMORROW, BRING US TOMORROW],
>COURAGE THRIVES [EVER FORGE AHEAD],
>HAND IN HAND [UNTO TOMORROW, WELCOME TOMORROW],
>SOULS ALIGNED [THAT WE FORGE AHEAD],
>FORGE AHEAD [YEAH, WE FORGE AHEAD]
>FORWARD!!!
The meme isn't catching on, man. Just let it go.
The people who simp for the Ancients remind me of the same people who simp for Night Elves, Lordaeron, etc. in WoW. What is it with these super cool and powerful, idealistic fictional civilations that attracts these fricking autists who get overly attached to them and then get mad when the story doesn't just devolve into "My favorite faction just deletes everyone and wins"?
Like there's always these kinds of super cool, idealsitic groups of people who attract these psychotic kinds of fans who will defend them to the death, even when the writer has blatantly written them to be villains (see Forsaken fanboys in WoW), and then get mad when the writers either neuter them (Night Elves), or wipe them out (Lordaeron, the Ascians, Garlemald) even if it makes sense narratively to do so and actually improves the story.
It's like they only care about this specific fictional group and nothing else in the story.
have a nice day
Damn all of that to defend ishiwaka shit writting on hydaelyn
i aint reading that shit homie. if you just said venats massive breasts were enough to support her it would be a better argument than all of that wowshit
>Lordaeron
...it's your generic rpg kingdom, what's wrong with that?
>even when the writer has blatantly written them to be villains (see Forsaken fanboys in WoW), and then get mad when the writers either neuter them (Night Elves), or wipe them out (Lordaeron, the Ascians, Garlemald) even if it makes sense narratively to do so and actually improves the story
Night Elves honestly get shit on hard to an unreasonable level.
The burning of their tree is easily one of the moat poorly thought out, poorly written things they've ever put in the game. The issue with Night Elves isn't that they aren't always doing cool superior shit. It's that they NEVER do anything cool.
Even their big narrative Night Warrior chatacter arc for Tyrande ended with a big wet fart.
this is probably the most reddit opinion so far in this thread, go back
Kek, this post really hit too close to home for the Emetgays. Well done.
It's even funnier because Endwalker makes a point of showing us the Ancients in the flesh, without Emet-Selch's idealized recollection of them (something the characters even point out by saying the Amaurot ancients referred to them as children).
On the surface they're noble people, but their god-like powers mean they have absolutely zero regard for any of their creations, as in they literally treat them as living IPs that they catalogue. All the sidequests are them treating you like garbage just because you're a 'familiar.'
Apparently, Hermes was the only person in their society who thought 'maybe creating beings with sentience and then murdering them on a whim is fricked up.' And when they experienced their first dose of actual hardship they turned into fricking cultists for a god.
The ancients are a society of emotionless, out-of-touch robots who have never experienced meaningful hardship and threw a tantrum when mom took away their tendiebucks. Is it any wonder Ganker defends them so aggressively?
Ngl if I was in the world they were in, I would be mad too if it all got taken away like that
>people get mad when they are taken out of comfort
anon, you just discovered what 12 years old would
>Night elf gays.
Those frickers are absolutely mental.
I don't know how they continue to be so autistic even if the lore has done nothing but shit on them for decades.
It's like gnomegays.
>even when the writer has blatantly written them to be villains (see Forsaken fanboys in WoW)
What if I'm a Forsaken fanboy because I like that they are written to be villains?
You're 100% correct, as can be seen by the seething ESL replies.
Because the rest of the story is dogshit, especially in WoW’s case.
WoL should probably go back and grab all of those Convocation stones he left lying on the ground at some point, there could be a shit ton of useful magic and other knowledge sealed in there.
didnt they disappear with elidibius
any junior writer can have his "nu-ascian" faction go WE HAVE COPIES etc etc. see asahi/fandaniels trite shit.
without the stones there won't be any fully awakened shards of convocation members. but the ones that are still unaccounted for can still be alive
>They're literally job stones
Bravo fujo
>WoL gives those stones to the Scions
7.0 confirmed
they can just say lahabrea made backups or some other asspull like that
>bozja homosexuals dunked on
>eureka WOMEN still gate keeping incel chuds
feels good.
WoL fricked all women
what is this meme i dont understand did i miss a video or something
literal reddit tier memes. bruh.
well i mean yeah i know that, hell 80% of Ganker is literally r/videogames front page right now if you go look and compare. i always thought it was funny the hate reddit gets here when its literally the same thing, just names are optional. its almost post for post even, except the N-word
some dumbass missed the whole point of EW and made an unintentionally cringe comic which got him shit from all directions
give it a few weeks/months and people will just forget
>Remember us
>Remember that we cringed
WoL is canonically a bunny boy becauss Venat and Fujo like them
bozja was trash. glad were not doing another bozja tier matsuno shit story.
the fights and dungeon are fun but bojza and ivalice story was fricking awful
agreed. matsuno homosexuals seething. the only thing i will concede is Lyon was the only interesting character out of all of them and thats pathetic at the cost of making cid and mikoto moronic and the wol just stare at things in cutscenes.
>the wol just stare at things in cutscenes
Guess he had that from ffxi. Over there wol also just literally stand still. Like he was part of the background.
Bozja is sorta kinda okay, but what really gets me is the rushed ending and how the story conclusion was condensed into a couple paragraphs in the field records.
Imagine a world where Misija didn't exist, where the Dalriada was the middle dungeon thing instead of DR and Zadnor was replaced by Ivalice so we could actually get the fricking ending.
do you mean dalmasca?
Misija was the worst example of this game's absolute insistence on making every villain not named Zenos some tragic figure to try and make the player sympathize with them. This dumb b***h betrayed her allies and mind controlled them into killing each other, turning them into monsters, all because a bunch of rich people treated her like shit. And she does all this with a smile on her face but we're supposed to feel bad for her.
funny how matsunos other characters are a dark chocolate bunny or a dark chocolate redmage.
My favorite part was the whole forced drama over Mikoto falling off a ship in an echo vision, only for her to be deus-ex machina saved by Fran when it actually happens.
Matsuno is a fricking hack.
agreed.
that shit was hilarious
>rabbit wants you to tell her whats going on with mikoto
>wol tries to back out
>bwagis behind wol
>wol spills the beans in a panic.
what the literal hell happened.
WoL is canonically a female Lalafell because it makes my dick hard
why are 90% of the player characters females in this game? is everyone there a troon or what?
playing a healer in this game is masochism, what were the devs thinking? it's either extreme boredom or you're carrying entirely
I don't know healers to be anything else in other games as well
Being a healer like being a tank in this game is fricking boring because everything is always the same. You dont play on reaction or controlling debuffs. You literally open excel and put your mitigations on the same exact places.
you say this like DPS aren't doing the same rotations all the time too
Thats their nature tho
gives me a power boner
whenever I see this face I get a chub
then you'd love Emiru
not the same
why are roes always bad at the game?
Maleroes are always good tanks for me
Its femroes who suck
I made a mil this week just selling uraeus coats
what do people even spend gil on other than housing?
hq items to turn in to gc to level crafters
quest items
mats that are a pita to get, like scarlet sap
And when you already have all crafters?
you misunderstand. you sell items to these individuals using the GC to level their crafters
You're paying out the arse for any material locked behind rng shite like maps and ventures
I think they're just popular, helps that the price levelled out around 80k and nobody's bothered to crash it yet so it quickly adds up selling 2-3 a day
>what do people even spend gil on other than housing?
Progression.
Penta-melds and hundreds/thousands of potions gets expensive.
were they for fashion report or somethin? i've been taking a bit of a break
pog
Thordan was the best villain of this game, he didn't give a frick about light & darkness, he just wanted the better for his nation
You mean Ilberd? Thordan was power hungry Ilbeed willingly killed himself as a part of his great plan to free his people which worked
Yeah. Thordan's plan in the end was pretty sloppeh
>Wants the better for his nation
>Opens the gates and freely allows dravanians and heretics to come in and kill people for more prayers.
>Tempers his own personal guard
>Has them killed if they show any signs of resistance or hesitation.
>Evil pope
>Good
HW had zero good villians.
I literally cannot progress through the MSQ, I have some sort of psychological force field pushing me away from it, blocking me, I genuinely can't fricking do it man.
test
Leveled up every job to 90 and honestly... I don't like any of them that much. I used to love old monk but it's gone now...
Take a nice big break form the game
Take a nice big break from games
>have Venat as your mommy
>have one of these two as your daddy
Damn, I can't believe Venat is a single mother.
Why not two dads?
That works just fine.
2 gay dads go to jail for abuse.
Are they ever going to buff this shit tier class
>oh no one job plays slightly different than the others in its role!!!
Fricking have a nice day you stupid fricking Shadowbaby.
I’m not asking to change the way it plays, it has zero self healing in its rotation until 84, has piss poor damage at 90, and syncing down for older content as Paladin is horrible.
Shut the FRICK up you stupid fricking fetus.
Abort yourself.
Abort yourself.
Abort yourself.
Abort yourself.
Abort yourself.
>World first DSR group has PLD tank because they know its defensives and utility justifies the dps loss
>Spergs on forum keep crying it's shit and needs to be buffed
GNB is the shit tank this expansion with no redeeming qualities. It also has a more oppressive rotation making defensives, especially timed stuff like HoC a pain in the ass to use. But sure, keep complaining about PLD because it has a shorter bar on fflogs even though the difference is so miniscule that your NIN's crit rng makes a bigger difference
>noooo sacrificing all of us to bring back your world is wrong, Emet-Selch!
>thank you for sacrificing everyone on your world for us, Hydaelyn!
Why are the Scions like this?
One of those doesn't end in their deaths.
It was never about morality of killing everyone, even Alphinaud, THE moralgay of scions, said he'd be tempted to go with what Emet was doing if they switched places.
One of them results to them returning to the Lifestream, the other results in their souls being torn apart so they will never become the whole person they were again even in death.
Being turned into a mana battery for Zodiark is not returning to the lifestream
Except everyone used to summon Zodiark was returned to the lifestream when he died, but all the souls sundered by Hydaelyn are still and will forever be sundered.
Yeah but the point is that as sundered as they are their lives are still worth as much as when they were whole beings
But that's just opinion. That's the problem with EW, the game portrays one opinion as being better with no hard facts as to why it's better.
What about all the fricking people you met and interacted with along the expansions you EW fetus
Honestly, I see EW in the same light as ShB in thay regard. No side is presented as the right one, you just happened to be in the victorious side. That being said, EW went a bit overboard with the asspulls, tho its obvious given they really wanted to finish the disastrous consequence of 1.x
alphinaud is based. i dont know what they were thinking with that shitty daddy issue arc and garlean arc. retconned all of his growth.
>retconned all of his growth.
You have to understand that in-universe the entire plot of ARR-to-EW happens in a fraction of the time that it took to tell it in real world time, to the point that characters don't even age visibly. The Alphinaud from ARR that acts like a snobby kid you want to kick in the dick any time he's on screen is not narratively far at all from the 'grown up' de facto Scion leader Alphinaud in the later expansions. What's more, the character itself is constantly aware of this and fears relapsing into a destructively naive mindset, which is all too possible because despite the trauma the Uldah banquet's aftermath instilled, he's still a youngster who cares about his dad whom he last saw not too long ago and who still wants to hold on to starry-eyed wishes of wanting to help and 'save' everyone he comes across even in distant Garlemald, even when it ends up being blatantly impossible due to circumstances.
sure but we didnt need to revisit the crystal braves shit another time in 5.4,5.5 even thoughly they cheekily have graha tia give us a bad reason why theyre doing it.
it was awful. i hope his next arc has no alisaie or garleans in it.
>impossible due to circumstances
impossible due to railroading.
>noo youre not supposed to agree with the garleans
>make them 1 dimensional idiots
>noo sympathize with the garleans
>enought that alphinaud endangers his life to make garlean Black folk trust him
fricking moronic all around.
>emet-selch trying to bring back his destroyed world BAD
>g'raha tia trying to bring back his destroyed world GOOD
Emet was right and even in the end the man was based refusing to be under hydaelyn's magic. I hope he gets brought back in later expansions somehow
>Was right
>Literally calls his future self insane.
>proceeds to side with his future faction in the same cutscene because he thinks its the most acceptable
try harder
>Sides with his future faction
>Venat, WoL, and Hythlodaeus.
???
Can we agree both emet and hydaelyn were morons in this and that EW was just bad writing in this area
>People already forgetting about Venat
>Emetkino will be remembered as one of the best characters
Cope, the Fujo won
>have to retconn your whole arr story to make venat do something in the ultima weapon fight.
>lahabrea literally kills you and venat has to rez you.
LOL LOL. thancred killing us and it not being mentioned it lol tier.
not gonna lie, I did forget about that. Now that I think about it, ARR plot looks like it was a completely different game
>Is a new player
>Gets told to never skip the cutscenes
>Sees this
Is the ARR plot even worth remembering then
Only worth for the worldbuilding which mostly involves Primal bs, even so, for the most part ARR remains unnecessary to actually understand the plot of the rest of the game
Oh yeah, I forgot they completely changed the ultima weapon fight.
How out of touch must you be to add a "DO YOU LIKE THIS CHARACTER YET?!" push to the beginning of the game after ignoring it for 7+ years
Thancred didn't kill us though, he was possessed by Lahabrea. Why would we hold that against him?
it would add to more guilt thancred and fat ugly women love guilty men.
She always helped against Ultima we got hard carried by her for the first half of it
you are right but let's be real, hydaelyn's blessing was a very convenient plot device, even when it "disappeared" they had to reincorporate it post HW
Well I'm not sure if Ultima was purely the blessing considering she ripped the primals out and shielded against Ultima the spell, the blessing itself never has done anything like that since
wait, that was the blessing? I thought they were just "spent" by the Ultima Weapon like a gun would use a cartridge
Next level cutscene skipping: skipping unskippable cutscenes.
>the blessing itself never has done anything like that since
They explicitly state she can’t because she used up too much of her power protecting you from ultima
Yeah, I'm just aiming to clarify that she always helped us in the Praetorium, its not a recent change
>Emet is loved by fujos and yumejos
>Emet beats out sephiroth in a popularity contast
We are getting more Emetkino right....surely he isn't going to stay dead
im happy with him narrating new places in ew and giving us the kino foreshadowing of all the future dates. I want more hytlodaeus stuff but turning him into a twink turned me off. should have stayed a funny mystery homie.
Of course we are. It is our duty as Azem to drive the man crazy. This we will keep summoning him when all he wants to do is rest. He will then kill himself again because he just wants to be dead.
Nah I will continue to call Ascian dicksuckers cutscene skipping lorelets.
That's my issue with EW. Neither Emet or Venat were in the right about their actions, but the game forces us to side with Venat and makes her a Saint.
At least in SHB even Alphinaud said if he was in Emet's shoes he might do the same thing, but yet his actions are still wrong.
>Why do the Scions value the lives of their own people over the lives of some other group of people
Gee, it's a real mystery.
I now understand the shitty time travel on EW and that doesnt fix the shitty writting. Venat is still fricking moronic.
Anon she was the state-appointed Murderhobo Supreme.
yeah its some sort of time paradox bs, they had to come up with something to finish the Hydaelyn/Zodiark arc, a shame they went so desperate
Elidibussy did nothing wrong
You just don't get it hydaelin is just too good to be true. She HAS to be evil.The ascians attempt to kill the WoL several times and we can't join them?Thats a sick joke. Anything that makes venat look good is an asspull headcanon retcon. Now excuse me while I commission another pic of emet being intimate with my femWoL
>hydaelyn is written like shit
>YOU MUST WANT TO JOIN ASCIANS REEEEEEEEE
Pathetic
>There are still anons that don't understand the MSQ and actually believe Venat is evil
Lol
Lmao
So wait, how did we bring Hythlodeus back to life in Ultima Thule but yet he still exists as The Watcher on the Moon?
Someone answer please.
He's not the Watcher. The Watcher is a simulacrum of a Amaroutian created by Hydaelyn, he ain't real. We even talk to the Watcher and then 5 minutes later talk to the real Hythlodaeus,
Real Hyth and the other Amaroutian's aether basically started leaking out of Zodiark once the seals were broken, and you (and he) help them dissipate and enter the lifestream. He chats you up and then follows shortly after.
Why was Hythlodaeus so sane compared to the rest of the souls that were being little depressed b***hes though?
they literally made him into a koreanmanwah/boys love character trope.
The power of yaoi hands gives him an intellectual edge
>Have Azem as his errand boy
>Can manipulate Emet Selch to do whatever he wants
>His dayjob is to review other's creation, get to shitpost a critique or rubberstamp on a whim
>can just go through the Bureau of Architect archive to use anything he wants, with no real accountability because Emet Selch will take care of the consequences.
Hythlodaeus lived the greatest life in the unsundered world, he had more than enough happy memories to keep him sane for countless lifetimes.
>Venatcucks begin redditposting and goalposting when everything else fails
like pottery
>if you'll just read my fan comic you'll CLEARLY see why Venat was the villain and why Zodiark was the TRUE and HONEST savior
Reminder that even Azem didn't agree with Venat about summoning Hydaelyn.
He didn't side with Emet elither
>source: my ass
Black person look at the picture.
nobody knows what the frick (You) were up to or what (You) thought about the entire thing
The picture you stupid fricking Black person. Or do you need to have the sentence written there translated into muttspeak for you?
can you get a crayon and show me in the picture where it says azem disagrees with venat and wasn't just missing like every single other waking moment
>our overtures have gone unanswered
How about you open a dictionary you worthless fricking cretin.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/overture#:~:text=Definition%20of%20overture,single%20movement%20in%20sonata%20form
show me in the picture, high blood pressure-kun
Livestream your suicide, animal.
watch your blood pressure, grandpa. Might pop a vessel
Not participating with her summoning doesn't mean we didn't agree with it.
Yes, and?
Well duh who was supposed to be her champion if he helped?
Remember, it's okay to suck balls at PVP. Everyone is shit at first.
It's not okay to pick jobs that are actively detrimental to your team. You are reducing the chances of victory by picking DRK. Catching a bunch of morons in your shitty wombo combo serves to prove nothing considering what SMN can do on a larger scale.
lol someone's just shit at DRK
>be useful once in half an hour and score a couple assists
>i am good xd
Posting the whole comic since nobody will
And that's all there is
ty!
kinooooooooooooo
He's fast
Isnt there like a whole scene of her trying to convence people to fight back?
Thank you anon
>zenos volcel galvus shows up after somehow traveling across the universe to save the day
>you only get petty dialogue options with him like hurr durr i wont save you
>people are getting filtered by an FF1 tier time loop plot
Filtered would imply they stopped playing the game, disliking it isn't getting filtered. Don't use words you have just learned about recently
>If I keep autistically bringing up other games, it will somehow apply to this game
I dont understand why you guys think that being sundered is the same as being killed, the way Emeth expalins it kind of sound ed more like everyone inmmidiatly after the sundering was still there, but fragmented, and as they died and evolved the different races came to be.
Being killed is the prerequisite for reincarnation.
if you consider that nier mobile game to be canon then everyone who got sundered initially became a shapeless blob with no capacity for speech
>thancred mentions his mentor spy trainer guy
oh great another thancred personality change arc.
Anon you literally meet that guy he's just some rando who sends you on one of those stupid puzzle quests for a shitty piece of gear.
oh? then what the hell is thancreds arc going to be? corvois? getting space pussy?
Being a grumpy old man I guess. Isn't he technically 50 something even though he looks to be maybe 28-30?
yea time travel and time dilation just dont work. Literally 5 years in a light infused hell because of a stupid simp catboy. id be furious.
He's gonna come into the void with us because we need a tank for trusts and G'raha's hopefully stuck in the alliance raids
>alternate timelines and time loops can't exist in the same story
Why not? Why can't a predestination paradox exist in the same story that going back to timeline A exists?
Zodiarkboy is having a meltie
6.3 will be a Beach Episode patch.
Oh god I hope so.
>Another thread where Zodiarcucks get BTFO by Venatchads
Ya love to see it, also Ilberd did nothing wrong.
I still hate-fricked him for what he did.
Mmmmm..... look at my big gyno nipples Raubahn. Twistable aren't they? Go on, take em for a spin.
>defeat Ilberd by motorboating his muscle breasts
To be completely fair the ARR plots and motivations relative to the Ascians were basically non-existent compared to how HW and the other expansions handled them. They were just mustache twirling guys who sowed chaos.
>i-it just works ok?
venat redditors mental illness
>>i-it just works ok?
Are you implying the plan didn't work?
it did, however it worked because the plot required it, not because it made any sense
>not because it made any sense
When the frick has any FF plot made sense?
Everything else makes more sense than EW, even fricking ARR, not everything has Nomura-tier writing
Everything in XIV made sense right up until Endwalker. Gaslighting is not an argument.
FF6
Evil Empire wants to harvest the power of magic monster gods to take over the world. But oh no, turns out one of their generals is cracked out of his mind and uses his position and it's resources to enact his own plan to become a god himself and destroy the world (Partially succeeded)
It doesn't get more cut and dry than that.
Not that anon, but I thought it was pretty clear that WoL gives Venat the whole script in the talk with her, Emet and Hyth. Of course, she has no way of knowing what happens after the fight in the Aetherial Sea but the stable time loop basically guarantees WoL can survive until then.
that the plan worked is not in contention idiot
ishikawa could write a story where venat prayed meteion would fall on a banana peel and hit her head and die and it actually happened, which would certainly be a plan that worked, just one where any reader with half a braincell could tell was shit writing
Real Endwalker is better writing than Zodiarkgays’ fanfiction because “sometimes suffering is unavoidable and you have to be strong enough to get through it” is a better message than “bruh just kill urself cuz ur schizo god told you too”
>moralhomosexualry
doesn't mean her plan was less than believable. I agree with her views on life, I just don't see how that helps her case on her plan being a complete gamble at best, her views on life and her plan aren't synonymous to each other, you can agree with such view of life and disagree with her plan that worked because writing required it
putting cholera or lead contamination into the municipal water supply is a surefire way to raise awareness about the importance of water sanitation and why people need to value and cherish the water that they take for granted every day
that doesn’t mean that you would be justified in doing so and not be locked away for being a mentally deranged menace to society
But if you found out all water in the entire universe was already contaminated, so you dumped “transform into a being that can ingest lead without dying from lead poisoning” potion, then that would be a better alternative to letting everyone die from lead poisoning
sure, if lead poisoning actually doesn’t poison the human body at all and the potion killed everyone and revived them, stripping them of all their memories anda what made them them
>Posts explaining the logic of the time travel and reiterating what the cutscenes plainly state about Venat's intentions, actions, and beliefs.
How's that copium?
>posts explains headcanons
>Nooo my headcanon is better than what the game explains!
Zodiarkgays...
>only a few spergs trusted her
>headcanon
wait, are you talking about cringecomic then? lmao, imagine giving an ESL dojin rent free this much
These posts are exclusively made by people who don't understand how time travel works in FFXIV and instead call back to other games and stories to pretend they have the slightest idea what they are talking about.
Those posts are almost always immediately disputed by people who've read https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/special/tales_from_the_shadows/sidestory_08/#sidestory_08
Beside the point, why the frick would a story with such a stupidly massive lore impact not be told ingame and instead hidden on a site most people are unaware of? There's so much confusion around this subject entirely because of this one garbage retcon. what the frick was Ishikawa thinking
>Says people don't understand how time travel works
>Proceeds to not understand how the time travel in 14 works.
Lol
>Direct citation to a canon sidestory on the subject, no further comment
>Durrrrrrrrr u dint git it
This homie is fuming lmao
Why don't you give me another canned response to show how in control you are 🙂
>So braindead that he doesn't understand how closed timeloops and separate timelines can both exist in the setting.
Continue to project your own impotent rage at me, I enjoy it.
Anon you're a genuine, literal fricking moron. XIV has two forms of time travel.
And WoL used one very specifically described method. The one G'raha used. Stick to vapid "I'm smarter dan u :)" responses like the other guy "merely pretending" to be moronic for kicks instead of being an actual moron.
>The one G'raha used.
Shit I must have missed when the Crystal Tower got teleported to Elpis, my fricking bad dude. Must have also hallucinated the scene where Elidibus literally and specifically tells you that the stuff you do in the past won't change the present.
>Situation that didn't call for jumping worlds also didn't require transporting anything but WoL
Seriously, stick to inane shitposting. Pretending that you actually understood the story is not working out for you.
>Disregarding Elidibus' words
This was already covered in this thread, if you are illiterate, that's a (You) problem.
>Doesn't even provide a link
Yeah man lemme just comb this nearly 400 reply thread for whatever half-baked explanation you have to try and handwave away the literal explanation as to why you wouldn't be able to stop the Final Days.
It wasn’t exactly hidden. They talk about it at the end of 5.3. G’raha basically says he completely expected to disappear from existence when we changed history, and the fact he didn’t means the original timeline must still exist
can you stop dodging my image filters ty
Was Fandaniel always Asahi or did he just use his corpse when he died?
just used his corpse
Used his corpse because SE gays love Asashi's dumb goofy face too much to let him stay dead
>Fandaniel got his ass kicked by Gaius and got his mask taken
No wonder he was such an angry b***h.
Nah Gaius fought and took the masks of Ultima and Deudalaphon.
>go out of your way to show that the Ancients as a society were overly bureaucratic, slaves to procedure, collectivist, uncaring, emotionally stunted, incapable of creating anything unique and simply iterating on old ideas, no real understanding of the applications of their creations, no understanding of alternative viewpoints and overly willing to create a self-perpetuating death cycle for the chance of having that all back
>"Wow, what a great society! Why can't I live there?!"
>Anons take the word of a man who went insane from being alone for thousands of years and self-admits to being tempered and biased towards his god as definitive proof that the woman who directly saved our life and whose blessing and pact with one dragon's funny family is actual le bad.
Because I could use my creation magic to make myself a gf
>go out of your way to show that the Ancients as a society were overly bureaucratic, slaves to procedure, collectivist, uncaring, emotionally stunted, incapable of creating anything unique and simply iterating on old ideas, no real understanding of the applications of their creations, no understanding of alternative viewpoints and overly willing to create a self-perpetuating death cycle for the chance of having that all back
So they are literally us
>incapable of creating anything unique and simply iterating on old ideas
I don't think that part was supposed to be a slight on the Ancients, more a "we're not so different" observation. The moment someone came up with a "new" idea (sharks), others jumped on it to iterate and insert their own spin. This is how humans work, and in the FFXIV world worked even in ancient times when the context of life was considerably different.
Not enough bureaucracy was what doomed them in the end. Meteion should have never been allowed to be sent into space.
Whats this "kinocringe" nonsense, are you guys so desperate for a new Dobson or Chris-chan?
WoL is canonically a male Roegadyn that looks like Conan but green.
>literally right about everything
>people still think she's a bad guy
you guys seem to forget that the ancients are a bunch of morons who got eaten by their own creations like fricking mongoloids, they deserved to be sundered
>Can't expect everyone to go back to the Lifestream themselves.
Hermes was a moron and 6.2 will probably show Lahabrea is also a moron
>life has suffering
>ergo life must be completely eradicated
who the frick defends shit like this?
JRPG writters.
>Missing the point of Hermes' inner conflict
>Posting an image that also misses the point
It's easy to get angry at the writing when you quite literally don't understand it.
cope more brainlet.
his inner conflict is that he's an autistic sperg and caused a shitload of problems for everyone because he sent a gaggle of bird e-girls into space and gave them all depression
>6.2 Lahabrea will somehow manage to be remembered far more than Venat
Can't stop the kino
I need to learn how to draw. I wanna make stuff like this
>Hermes will forever be sundered and won't get to chill with all his ancient bros in the lifestream
lol what a gay
As much as I hate Asahi for being a gay, him taking Amon along to superhell was pretty based
That's what he gets for making jailbait bird.
What's Gregamesh trial going to be like?
>remember...that mom said it was my turn to use the Xbox
I am so tired of Asciangays and Venatards ruining every FFXIV thread with their incoherent babbling. 6.2 can't come soon enough
>Zodiarkgays make seetheposts with headcanon
>Venatgays methodically deconstruct their arguments
>Zodiarkgays autistically screech in anger.
>Somehow this is the fault of Venatgays
It's the fault of Venatgays because they keep biting the bait.
>venatgay talking about headcanon
>gives ESL artist the rent of his life
lmao
>I won an imaginary argument against an imaginary opponent using imaginary methods
I am certain your imaginary replacement for your absent father is very proud of you.
Nice projection bro
>sleeps for 2 expansions
>doesn't even wake up when we go to the recreation of his fricking homeworld
What a lazy shit.
He did take a huge hit from Omega Raid, if the side story is any indication, it took over a century for him to be able to manifest himself again in timeline alpha.
Vrtra rolled him over to ask if the dragons were allowed to help the Ragnarok effort and he said yes, so at least he got up for that.
I was hoping he would make an appearance during the new Omega quest. Seeing both of them all tiny minion forms would have been amusing.
all i wanted was OMEGA F kino but they already dashed my dreams of that.
Guy used up his remaining power to free you from Omega's shenanigans, I'll let him sleep
- The "weakest" of the FF4 fiends will appear first.
- Regarding the new trial, he confirms it is a part of the MSQ this time, helped by the fact Savage is releasing 1 week later this time. He says it will not be revealed until the day of the patch who the trial will be against, and whether it will be part of a series. He says the trial is a bit more difficult than usual, even on Normal.
So is the trial going to be four fiends or what.
theres so much potential for rubicante to be a kino supreme gentleman but they'll probably waste our time with edgy 4 me type ones.
If the trials are MSQ-required, there's a not insignificant chance that Golbez/Azdaja will end up joining the party for 7.0 when we go to save the Void. In that case they would likely be a Summoner who summons the Fiends instead of Primals, meaning they'd stick around and be side characters. Thus they are all likely to have sympathetic traits so they fit in when they join the good guys.
They better give me a hot barbariccia and an instant death mechanic for scarm
>Yoshi says the first hinte of the new expansion. Won't be coming until 6.5
I'm calling bullshit on this one, how the frick are they gonna set up a new expansion in a single patch?
Well, as far as I understand the 4 fiends in the 13th will be double duty in Trial and MSQ story, so I guess thats it. Probably the same vein ARR patches were "Eikon of the week" Void Edition.
That's a nice post, anon. Unfortunately...
ZODIARK TRANCE!
>Xbox
>can't even play XIV on it
Ironing
alphinaud better have a fricking legion at his beck and call after this shit.
Ahem, ahem. Zodiarkbabs?
>Characters in Elpis repeatedly espouse about how much of an honor it is to die and return to the Lifestream when you've accomplished what you were supposed to.
>The Ancients, when faced with their first real crisis, summon a god that removes their people from this honor in order to vainly bring their dead back to life in complete perversion of what their values previously were.
Was I the only one who caught this?
They had no choice for the first two sacrifices. For the third they were returning their people back to the cycle.
>Venatgay
>frogposter
Why are venatcucks such reddit tourists? I remember they went as far as copypasting reddit memes on yesterday's thread holy shit
God fricking damn that greentext is hard to read.
>>Sup dad, can my friend stay a few months here?
Dad probably: "You're not my son, but your friend can stay."
Guys, when does the story get into the kino you all keep posting about?
I'm literally running around a forest spearing animals and Garleans in the ass for some forest nymphs.
ive never played this game, how much of a hassle is it to make new accounts just to grief healbawds?
please don't bully Hermes for his dumb choices, he has autism and can't help it.
Its not his fault the universe turned out to be cold, harsh and full of dead/dying civilizations that made his Twitter birds depressed.
My headcanon is that WoL fricked the bird when they "connected" with each other through their minds and this made Hermes mad
>Current writing overrides what was written in the past
Wow, Venatgays first JRPG
Venatchads can't stop winning
I mean, we quite literally won because of her plan, to the point where Emet himself is buttmad but respectful enough to work with us on her behalf.
Ahem
what's the story and source behind this picture?
I never played FF14
UH, ALL THE ASCIANS OR CHAOS Black folk AS I LIKE TO CALL THEM, GET OFF THIS STAR BECAUSE IT'S FOR SUNDERED PEOPLE ONLY, UNDERSTAND? CAUSE IF YOU DON'T I WILL MAKE ZODIARK HYDAELYN'S b***h AGAIN!!!
Going on adventures with your husbando when?
never. hes a basic b***h character on par with graha tia and alasaie.
Some lady in Japan beat us to it. No more Aymerickino
where does Zodiark Trance fall into the tier list?
>Godbert Manderville not in top tier
Frick you
SAMbros, did we win?
Doesnt look like kaiten
Its over
zodiark trance Hispanic did nothing wrong we got content the whole week til liveletter part 2 butthurt.
honestly, I wasn't even aware of the fanfic until venatgays took it from the reddit they visit and posted it here
Remember that sundered deserve to also be killed like the ancients just like how allagan show us. Theres no scape to destiny
play Lala
no, but I will use them to satisfy my sexual needs
>implying
silly anon, Lalas use (You) for pegging
>lalas can dominate you
game says my race stats are naturally higher than lalas, am gonna turn every single one of you into living onaholes
That one or two extra strength is spread across a body 8 times the size of a Lalafell. Pound for pound, Lalafells are stronger since such stats are packed into a denser body.
Now bend over or The Syndicate will hear of this.
>pound for pound they are potentially stronger
good thing they are just living onaholes then. Now put on some lube because I will experiment on whether lalas can get pregnant from tall races or not
Another easy win for us yet again, Venatchads. See you beautiful people next thread.
>AHHHHHHH I'M moronic SAVE ME BIRD e-girlS! EXODIA OBLITERATE THEIR MINDS!
great character
Hey man its only fair that after spending so much time judging other creations and creatures on whether they are worthy of living that they too get judged.
its karmic justice for their society stagnating and lording over others.
O MY MEMORY ERASING CLOCK
>deliberately makes his planet hopping experiments e-girls
>has one that "serves him" personally
>has a memory erasing clock at his disposal when he needs to cover something up
uhhh, is Hermes based?
>game is full of overly convenient plot devices
>EW takes it to the next level being based entirely off convenient plot devices
that he created useful e-girl servants is the only thing that makes him based
>useful
but all they did was go to space and get depression, which in turn made Hermes spill his spaghetti
well, thats because the moron gave them said order, he could have easily used them to do other stuff, heck, even cooking or playing cards, use your imagination
Yoshi please release 6.2 so we can be free from this zodiark/venat debate.
Zodiark/Hydaelyn was a battle between lorespergs and fanfic writers that kept on going for over two years nonstop. Zodiark/Venat is a sequel unlike the previous nonsense that was just retconned out of existance, this one is staying in these threads forever.
Remember, you traded Diversion and Cleric Stance autism for this.
I miss these two like you wouldn't believe
>Cleric Stance
It’s amazing how removing this single skill made healing so brain dead.
I dont miss any of those, however, I don't think the Zodiark/Venat sperging will remain, at least not to the point of what EW caused. If the writers truly ended the Hydaelyn/Zodiark arc then the new arcs shoudl be the new fad
>should
Jenova/Sephiroth arguments have continued for 25 years even after the writers have flat out explained it
>FF7 sperging
good thing the game isn't as massive as an MMO, yup, the difference should be visible just like how ARR and SB didn't have as much of an impact in the community as HW and ShB did. Yes I do believe it won't last if the writers stop it
To be fair, those same writers later thought that the time jannies were a great idea for their FF7 sequel, and that lying to everyone by calling said sequel a remake was just as great an idea.