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Continuing on that path would have ensured the Ancients were wiped from existence once they inevitably Jonestowned themselves. The sundering ensured their legacy will live on.

The ancients were already in the process of killing themselves 50% at a time when Venat sundered them

"Trust me bro this is the last time" says man who has already sacrificed half the population twice (75% of them are dead at this point)

Anon.. it straight up shows that pockets of Ancients were just sacrificing themselves thinking it would do something. They were so mindbroken over the thought of having to live with sorrow that they went full suicide cult.

Yes not all of them did that, but even if they went through with the plan.. these groups would still exist and would probably lead to the destruction of their people.

>Sees valid possibility
>REEEEE HEADCANON! HYDAELYN BAD! REEEEEEEE!
Room temperature IQ.

>Their plan initially was to sacrifice life that newly arises on the planet gradually to bring back the people that were sacrificed initially. Are you just pretending to be moronic or are you seriously trying to claim that the ancients were going to depopulate the planet they killed two thirds of themselves to save?
Yes, they were. That is precisely the situation, and your attempt to deny it with glibness is hollow and false. They were going to kill the new people, that they don't care about, to resurrect the old people, that they care about.
This is the entire reason the Hydaelyn faction sprung up.

This is why Venat broke your soul into 14 fragments, Nabriales.

>my slippery slope fallacy is totally going to happen because people are stuck in a vacuum and are unable to change their opinions or adjust their responses with the passage of time

This is why Venat broke your soul into 14 fragments, Nabriales.

Creating a dozen of reflections populated by midwits that would then proceed to kill each other for thousands of years over nothing, causing the amount of death many times over what would have taken to sacrificing to Zodiark to slowly unfrick things was definitely the wise choice, yes.

>Venatgay breaks down when presented with an opinion that the ancients were not headed for the worst possible outcomes that he endlessly cries about
You can start squawking about "The Plenty" now.

>my predictions based on conjecture are the truth
Sneed and dial8

God this is a massive amount of cope

Seething.

Girl you know had the Final Days not happened Zodiark would've been summoned for a mass returning to the star

>Zodiark wasn't gonna fix that.
For sure, but Zodiark's continued presence prevented the planet from succumbing to said Dynamis and it seemed to be going on indefinitely, even while he was sealed and splintered. If anything, if it were not for Zodiark existing, Venat never would have been able to enact her plan in the first place.

She only got ignored for millenia because Venat went and killed everyone that could have done anything about it, or attempted to carry out research that could have led to discovery of a third option.

Oh my gods you stupid Emet-fujo, no one was thinking of a solution because they had been turned into Zodiark feed or were sucking his dick

>She left what was basically the world's strongest mage alive
But denied him the knowledge crucial to solving the problem. Obviously without knowing what the frick was going on, he was going to restore the place to how it had been first and think about the final days later.

Oh my gods you stupid Emet-fujo, no one was thinking of a solution because they had been turned into Zodiark feed or were sucking his dick

Keep crying, Black person.

No, Venat denied him the knowledge because she was fricking moronic.

>he was going to restore the place to how it had been first and think about the final days later.
And this is why she sundered the fricking morons. Instead of trying to solve the issue of the final days they were more concerned with trying to bring back the past.

>It may have taken millions of years, but there is no hope in ignoring her
NTA, but how is that different from a civilization dying out of natural causes? Any sort of life can go through a thousand different "dead ends" you see in Ultima Thule during that time and if your sole argument is "Well one gorrilion years from now a Bad is going to happen so might as well an hero now" then 1. you are an unhinged dipshit and you should absolutely have a nice day now and 2. the entropy doesn't stop simply because meteion is defeated and the same issue still exists except instead of one gorrilion no civilization may exist to see happen it's now one judeogorrilionno civilization may exist to see happen
What the frick's your point?

>If you think heat death is truly inevitable then killing yourself now is a perfectly valid option
You can find a solid piece of rope in any hardware store in your local area. Make sure to stream your suicide too.

I don't care what cope you have now that you've backed yourself into that corner. An hero stream. Now, you spineless empty platitude spouting moron.

>i-i-it was rhetorical
Rope. Now.

How come every single discussion featuring venatgays ends with them outing themselves as insane, mentally challenged autists?
What is it about Venat and Meteion that makes them act like a magnet for these human shaped objects?

What the frick are you talking about?

jesus christ it's like im back in weekly chainsaw man threads again and people just cannot understand the most simple of simple fricking philosophy concepts

A non-utopia didn't create the type of individuals requires to oppose the Endsinger either since the only reason they even got to challenge Meteion was thanks to efforts of people FROM a utopia. The whole point about dynamis and sundered people falls flat on its face the second you remember ancients can literally use limit breaks begging the question of what was the fricking point.
But yeah, Zodiark wasn't a permament solution, it was a last second stopgap to prevent something they didn't understand from wiping them all out. There's nothing in the game that implies they would have gone the same route if they actually knew what was going on.
Hell, there's nothing implying that they wouldn't figure it out eventually WITH zodiark around either because Venat nukes her planet anywhere between few weeks and few months after Zodiark is put into use and people start picking up the pieces off the ground.

>The whole point about dynamis and sundered people falls flat on its face the second you remember ancients can literally use limit breaks begging the question of what was the fricking point.
Even if Venat using LB as a trust in gameplay is canon (it's not) they directly explain to you that being more aetherically dense makes you less able to manipulate dynamis. Ancients aren't unable to manipulate dynamis, they're just less sensitive to it, speedreader.

>A non-utopia didn't create the type of individuals requires to oppose the Endsinger either since the only reason they even got to challenge Meteion was thanks to efforts of people FROM a utopia.
That doesn't matter in the slightest.
A glacier melts, becomes a river, creates a farmland. You cannot therefore say you can grow crops on a glacier. The utopia had to be destroyed, accordingly.

Having a couple bad days and learning to deal with it is not the same as being condemned to a lifetime of pointless torment and then humiliating death, always in ignorance.

and what was the alternative

I miss being so young that I could write like this and not die inside from pure shame.

anon you do realize that is one of the most optimistic outlooks on life you can have right?

Zodiark was always summoned you moron, he was simply sealed inside of the moon. He was never gone and his presence was protecting the planet. The archives in Mare Lamentorum make an explicit mention of it

And then there is the fact that the Aether Shroud was only active while Zodiark was summoned.. meaning sooner or later Etheirys would get drained dry and all life would die.

Do you not know how Primal work? Jesus frick how many cutscenes have you skipped?
>Primal gets summoned via either Crystals or Sacrifice
>Primal maintains its presence by absorbing the Aether from the land around it
We have known this since HW you. So thanks for proving that you are moronic.

>Cutscene skipper calling the guy who destroyed his argument a cutscene skipper
Pottery.

Zodiark wouldn't drain energy because he was summoned with true Creation magicks and not the primal summoning magick that Lahabread taught the sundered peoples.
Only primals summoned by sundered people with Lahabread's summoning methodology are aether vacuums, everything else isn't. Otherwise every animal would have succed Etheirys dry since many of them are the result of an Ancient's creation magic.
Hilariously this means there was literally no reason for us to fight Susano because he was summoned with a creation matrix and not Lahabread's primal summoning ritual.

Well yeah, he issued us a challenge, and also we didn't know he wouldn't succ out all the aether from the area either. I just think it's funny that there was basically no reason for us to fight other than Susano wanting to.

That's a nice headcanon but unfortuantely they directly explain that Lahabrea purposefully trained people how to use creation magicks wrong, as a joke.

Pretty sure they made it a point that Zodiark required a ton of aether to even operate

He required a ton of aether to operate, but it has to be aether offered to him intentionally. Emet states that they were going to cultivate life on the planet until it was bountiful again, then sacrifice it all to resurrect the people they'd used to power the initial summoning + creation of the aether shroud.

>That's a nice headcanon but unfortuantely they directly explain that Lahabrea purposefully trained people how to use creation magicks wrong, as a joke.
It's not a headcanon, it's explicitly stated in Shadowbringers. Lahabrea's frickery introduced the brainwashing as part of tempering, not the aether deficit. You're mixing things up.

It is. I'm going to go find it and I expect you to get on your knees and eat my ass when I prove you wrong because you want to act like a snarky Black person over something so petty.

>It's not a headcanon, it's explicitly stated in Shadowbringers.
If something is *explicitly stated* then you can surely provide a citation to your claim instead of shitting up the thread with a "MY HEADCANON IS MORE CANON THAN YOUR HEADCANON" screaming match.

Looking forward to it. There's never enough actual ingame dialogue screenshots flowing around.

Found it

This dialogue literally doesn't say anything except that Primal summoning is the same type of magic as Creation magic.

Did you? She only mentions that the act of summoning the primal requires an outside source of aether.
She says nothing about the primal's automatic aether vacuuming effect; and she has no way to know about why that happens regardless.

>Holy shit man, learn to read. She says that primals require an outside source of aether specifically because sundered people don't have the mana reserves to cast the spell on their own
Yes, she does.
She doesn't say anything about why it sucks aether constantly when we know that Zodiark did not. That's because she doesn't know why that doesn't happen. She's postulating it. Later in Endwalker we learn it's because Lahabrea's teachings created primals with an insatiable hunger for aether, as directly stated in Endwalker.
Did you stupid fricking Black folk even read the image that was posted?

"or from the land itself"

Don't bother. He's been calling everything he doesn't agree with headcanon all thread.

Yes I can, and I'm going to go do it right now. It's gonna take me a few minutes because I'm about 90% certain it's optional dialogue with Y'shtola.

Looking forward to it. There's never enough actual ingame dialogue screenshots flowing around.

That's not what he was calling headcanon you double digit IQ subhuman.

Nice backpedaling Headcanon-kun.

Pretty sure they made it a point that Zodiark required a ton of aether to even operate

>Using Zodiark when the end of the world was on their door step
>Using Zodiark when the world that remained might as well have been a radioactive wasteland
Doesn't exactly equate to needing to use him when a Volcano threatens a nearby vineyard

>and essentially butchering cattle to do it
Don't write fanfiction anon. They were sacrificing all life.
This sad "b-but they were only going to sacrifice some fish and trees right? ;_;" cope makes it clear that you weren't paying attention. It takes humans and their thicc aether to fuel Zodiark's divine miracles, nothing else will do.

You need to stop skipping cutscenes Zodiarkgay.

Azem and his friends fought stuff.

I AM HERMES
I DISLIKE THINGS
BUT I WILL NEVER START A FIGHT
BECUZ WE ARE ALL FRENS LOL
[depressive 4 depressives LOL]

no

EW was just hitchhiker's guide to the Galaxy with Kingdom Hearts.

>No they're handing out suspensions to make a point
Yes, I'm very sure they're going to blanket ban half their userbase without warning.

>dude trust me

Dragoon. People said to level it for Heavensward to get additional story. It’s okay, I’ll just jerk off and do side quests and wait for this queue to happen.
I wish I had rolled on a preferred server.

Preferred means lower pop, it's a server they want more people to roll on.
Besides dungeon queues are datacenter wide anyway

>There is nothing wrong with suicide
>There is nothing wrong with umbrella corporation
>not literally celebrating your friend killing himself is being a low IQ moron
>ancients were perfect, that's why they couldn't even figure out time travel or interplanar travel
OK moron.

>There is nothing wrong with suicide.
OK moron.
>That's not what they were doing you kneejerking animal.
That is literally what they were doing.

>They were celebrating the fact that one of the near immortal beings had
committed suicide.

>b-but
You already admitted that I was correct. Are you going to make an argument, or will you keep pretending that adding extra details to the fact that they were celebrating a suicide changes the fact that they were celebrating a suicide?

Yes, ritual suicide being expected and promoted is objectively a bad thing.

There is nothing wrong with someone choosing to commit suicide.
there is something wrong with building your entire society around committing suicide once you are no longer working.

>I find it astonishing that you cannot see how fricking stupid that makes you.
I'm not the one literally stating that a society encouraging ritualistic suicide instead of retirement is a good thing. You are.
>b-but <extraneous bullshit>
Literally changes nothing.

>no you see it's fantasy so there's literally nothing wrong with suicide.
OK. They're different from us so suicide is even worse because one Ancient's life is worth a thousand normal human lives. Emet himself even says this. You can't argue against me because I'm right because the game is fantasy and not real life and thus anything I say about it is correct even when it directly contradicts the game itself.

anon you may not know this but that anon was mocking you cause that was literally your response.

yes because the games story grounds it self to real life morals and philosophy.

It's literally a choice, the evil b***h you love defending even choose to not do it

Maybe they just didn't like Venat very much? Because she was a c**t?

>You just have to live with literally everyone around you constantly badgering you to off yourself and being treated as a pariah if you don't give in to their demands.
Haha, yes, I too get my information about Endwalker purely from shitposts in these threads, fellow XIV enjoyer.

And treating people like they are the weird ones for not dying is also tyranny.

I believe in life after death. That doesn't mean I plan on offing myself any time soon because I have nothing else to do with my life.

Let me guess, you're a totally enlighted atheist who hates religion because mommy and daddy forced you to go to church as a child

So then you are a religiousgay, which makes your post hypocritically stupid.

>I'm not an atheist and I don't believe in religion
Okay, I guess you're just mommy's special little boy.

Hate to break this to you but Gnosticism is a religion and you're not at all as special as you think you are.

You're just embarrassing yourself at this point.

I'm probably twice your age you dumb subhuman, have a nice day, you are not even a part of this conversation.

because you will live for 80 years and cannot possibly do literally every thing that would satisfy a human

IDK all the ancients that weren't drinking Amaurot's kool-aid seemed pretty averse to committing suicide too.
Maybe... there's a flaw in a society that's literally built around committing suicide being expected and encouraged?

you mean literally just hermes? being the only one is specifically what drove him the most mad you dingus.

Speedreader-kun back at you you braindead mongoloid, not every ancient was on the convocation, which is explicitly stated to be the only job where traditionally people were done after.

>Suicide occurs in place of retirement in Amaurotine society,
no.

Yeah it does. See the image here where they state that people choose to off themselves when their work is fulfilled:

IDK all the ancients that weren't drinking Amaurot's kool-aid seemed pretty averse to committing suicide too.
Maybe... there's a flaw in a society that's literally built around committing suicide being expected and encouraged?

You are just mad because you'll never be as cool as Wesker.

>but i don't really think you are in a utopia if you are committing suicide.
That's simply because you are projecting your own morality onto them as well as the fact that we live in comparison very short lives and that there's a massive uncertainty behind what happens after we die. Most religions forbid suicide by claiming it immediately damns you to hell for instance.
Thing is that the ancients in this case live for much longer and after they die, they reincarnate meaning their outlook on taking ones own life stops being "I want it all to end" and starts being "I want to reexperience life again".
Coincidentally, this is literally what Hythlodaeus explains during his "killing yourself is actually super rad!" speech which is why most people here had no idea about it or what goes in it beyond that one screepcap of hythlo saying "dying is the coolest thing".

All of these are true, yes.

You know the answer to that you disingenuous homosexual.

>quasi immortal beings that feel they want to try a reset switch after living for a long time is the same as powerless morons that are too aetherically weak to create post scarcity societies

>Allag was post scarcity
It wasn't, they could not create matter out of thin air, they still needed fuel and they still conquered others and fought wars and took casualties in said wars.

This, Allag was about as post scarcity as america, as in , they had an extremely modern comfortable lifestyle as a result of their unending consuming war machine.

wasnt the allagans already a near utopia because of their previous war machine, that grew fat and complacent, began to fall apart and then amon did his shenannigans.

pff emet should have let them continue all complacent like for another 500 years or so, we'd have gotten slannesh born into the ff14 universe.

>they still needed fuel
They had several eikons serving as clean power reactors.

and yet the aetherically weak were able to stop what the ancients could not

the WoL does not solo literally every foe he faces, he canonically summons a rag tag team of literally whos with the echo for most fricking fights in the game.

but it's literally true moron, pretending otherwise is fricking headcanon.

the WoL does not solo literally every foe he faces, he canonically summons a rag tag team of literally whos with the echo for most fricking fights in the game.

Depends on the fight. Koji's fanfiction always adds some shit about gathering adventurers but this is obviously objectively impossible in many trials and such. The only fights where there canonically other people with us are fights with trusts or fights where there being other people in our party are directly mentioned.

Koji's rewrites aren't canon when they directly contradict the JP text.

I don't know that one specifically but I know that the majority of the trial descriptions in the Duty Finder that have some unfunny Koji line about gathering up a party of adventurers in spite of the impossibility of the task don't say anything about gathering a party in any other language.

The Royal Menagerie also says you have comrades with you even though the fight with Zenos (which is canonically a 1v1) leads directly into it with you immediately fighting Shinryu directly after confronting him. Ravana also mentions it even though the cutscene shows you enter the arena alone after Ysayle gets BTFO. There's probably some other ones but I'm not going to comb through all of DF right now.

>Yeah, Raubahn says before you go into Ala Mhigo that you'll be leading a squad of adventurers
But you fight Zenos alone since Zenos references it repeatedly as a duel in the future parts of the story. The Shinryu trial leads right in from that and either:
>Koji is right and in spite of the other three languages saying otherwise you have adventurers with you that you literally pulled out of your ass
>OR Koji is making shit up again as he does constantly

>but this is obviously objectively impossible in many trials and such
Almost never. Our group of Echo-blessed friends are canonical up through Stormblood and the Scions help in Shadowbringers where there are no primals to be concerned about.
I'm pretty sure the only time we ever canonically solo the problem and our "allies" aren't there is Thordan and Nidhogg, because we specifically rode there alone on Midgardsormr's back for the former, and faced him down with Hraesvelgr's eye for the latter.

Nah, the journal entry before his fight mentions you grabbing other people in fight against his dragon form. Guess he never cared that much about finding more equally strong people after all.
Or maybe they weren't that strong to begin with considering WoL was the sole survivor in the cutscene after much like every other primal fight, why the frick would anyone follow a guy with a 100% ally death rate into battle with a primal?.

>cutscene of our character holding azems crystal to summon a bunch of random people to fight endsinger
hmm i wonder what it could mean

yes but be we always had help during battles the wol rarely does things alone.

>pachinko sprites
have a nice day immediately.

gomenasai i saved this from a previous umineko thread and i thought it was funny to use

But "the ability to defeat the endsinger" is a pretty niche bonus as a species trait lets be honest, and it, along with empathy are the only factors where the sundered win.

>testing whether or not something deserves to survive in this world is your job
>oh noes why are you testing us on whether or not we deserve to live? Stop it!

The WoL proves that the test was not impossible to pass

Do bootleg redmen count?

I like this bootleg.

Do bootleg redmen count?

And this.

>Why is that relevant?
I figured you wouldn't know.

That's a lot of cope for a guy who doesn't understand why near-Utopia and a Utopia are completely different concepts. Now stop pretending you understood the story or the subject matter and post more redman.

I accept your concussion