Venat comitted GENOCIDE.
How can anyone sit here and try to argue she was justified? She murdered MILLIONS of innocent people, all while selfishly hiding away for 12000 years while making US do her bidding. You think this comic's funny but I agree with it wholeheartedly, Venat/Hydaelyn is a genocidal b***h and the writers effectively tried to justify genocide to the millions of people playing this game.
FRICK Venat and anyone who defends her.
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VENAT SEXO would have improved Endwalker
Someone post it
Those tiny ass horms always make me laugh
The frick is this shit
You're right I don't, which is why I asked. Is it some bit?
I didn't know either.
So I image searched and found out.
>Thinking some shitty meme made by some ESL homosexual is worth “gatekeeping”
I could understand with anything else, but you’re a ultra-homosexual for this alone.
It’s a shitty webcomic made by some Hispanic who got upset that Venat wasn’t evil in Endwalker’s story and thought he could do a better job of telling a story, but now everyone is dog-piling his creation for being cringe as frick. I think that’s the gist of it anyways, from what I’ve seen.
>their blood on my hands
This always rubbed me the wrong way since you didn't kill lahabrea, the pope did, and you fought Elidibus and Emet becase you were fighting for the First and your friends.
In the mind of a deluded moron, it's Venat's fault that Elidibus and Emet were threatening you because they're good boys with no agency
That just looks like sexuallobster's author avatar.
I can already imagine him advertising his latest greasy adventure.
This shit is fricking hilarious.
ZWILD
TFREAKS
>Zebra
>Trannies
I see someone played HTH as a kid
Speaking of games we played as a kid, anybody else remember Kula World?
>Kula World
*fruit-snacking sfx, change noises*
>accidently hit the spikes
>*poiiik*
Isn't the actual literal story of the sundering in that nier gacha and doesn't it prove Venat only sundered the planet and Zodiark, anglowBlack personnts only got killed if they fought her?
No, the convocation committed genocide. Venat did the closest thing she could to saving them all.
Venat commit genocide you can say that their souls get shard and everything but she killed everyone. The convocation didn't killed half the population they gave their lifes willingly
>willingly
They drank Lahabrea's koolaid.
Didn't fake Hythlodaeus say that the Convocation was planning on sacrificing new life to bring back those who had previously sacrificed themselves?
Yea basically
>Planet massively wiped out
>Half surviving ancients an hero and summon zodiark to stop the calamity
>Half of what's left after that an hero to seed the planet with new life
>What few remained were then split on the issue of nurturing that new life and then reaping it to revive the dead ancients
They basically planned a planet wide extinction event to fuel Zodiark into bringing back only the dead ancients (and then the final days would just come back again since Zodiark would be gone, Hydaelyn knew this though the other ancients did not)
Not-sundering was always a trap, doomed to fail.
>B-but what if Venat just told people and created a paradox??
She'd actually be killing the entire future world and all who ever lived in it and the reflections, all to buy time for a problem they don't know how to solve.
>and then the final days would just come back again since Zodiark would be gone
Honestly, I never understood what they meant by "sacrificed to Zodiark" until Endwalker. Prior to that, I thought they actually killed these people and sent them to the Lifestream. But apparently Zodiark absorbed their immortal souls inside himself?
>Prior to that, I thought they actually killed these people and sent them to the Lifestream. But apparently Zodiark absorbed their immortal souls inside himself?
Primals need aether to take shape, like when Ilberd killed all those soldiers and then himself to provide aether to summon Shinryu. They all sacrificed their entire selves to create a super primal.
They demonstrate how this works in the post-ShB MSQ dungeon... forget the name but the Quetzalcoatl boss gets summoned by an ancient sacrificing themselves, so it's that but on a much grander scale. Their souls and memories get tied up with what they summoned which is what those souls on the moon show.
Nope. Zodiark would need the fuel just to revive the people (and as far as the ancients knew the problem was "solved") There is nothing to indicate the plan involved keeping Zodiark around (for what purpose?) as they never even understood what the problem was if you note Emett's recounting of the final days. He thought Zodiark had just fixed the world's natural laws which had been "broken".
>(for what purpose?)
because they had a guy capable of reading the stagnant aether currents who would have been perfectly capable of saying "yeah we still need zodiarks blanket of aether" and then they'd you know, keep that blanket of aether.
There was no plan for them to maintain Zodiark. The only plan they had was specifically using Zodiark to revive the deceased Ancients. Again Emett was under the impression broken laws had been fixed.
>Again Emett was under the impression broken laws had been fixed.
and fandaniel would have been able to tell him he was wrong, had the ancients got that far before the sundering.
Fandaniel had no idea either. And even if he had, how would they fuel Zodiark long-term? Would they just have regular mass sacrifice to top it off?
Zodiark is a fully realized concept so he doesn't need constant fuel, he only needed it to perform specific tasks.
Such as pushing back against the dynamis, yes.
>There is nothing to indicate the plan involved keeping Zodiark around
If they weren't planning on keeping him around then they would just unsummon him and release the souls.
That would only bring those souls to the lifestream, which is not their stated goal at all. They have told you what their plan was anon, no need to try and rewrite that in your head.
> (and then the final days would just come back again since Zodiark would be gone, Hydaelyn knew this though the other ancients did not)
i mean i took the plan to be more akin to replacing the old souls with new ones, zodiark would just be powered by the new life instead of the trapped ancients. there would still be the problem of just "waiting in my dome while the universe's heat death is accelerated by the endsinger" but i dont think the plan was to ever unmake zodiark
She murdered millions of my potential spawn.
ZODIARK I AM TRANCIN'
I long to bask in Ra-La's warm glow
If you enjoyed literally anything in ff14 then you have to appreciate what venat did because none of the cool characters and places in the game would exist without her - and if you didn't appreciate any of that stuff you wouldn't have played the game for 100 hours to even find out what venat did.
PS - I told omega that none of the ancients were justified because they were all just doing what they thought was best, the exact same way shadowbringers is you and emet (and later elidibus) doing what they think is best for the people they care the most about. There's no such thing as being justified or not, just people doing stuff.
good post
it's not about right and wrong
every character is looking out for itself and its own
>>>/vg/
Brother, the Convocation killed half of their own people and then intended on killing 90+% of all non-Amaurotine life on Etheirys later in order to rebuild their broken dumbass society with the ultimate goal of hiding away for eternity while the rest of the universe suffered for Hermes' mistake.
Make no mistake, it was a cruel thing and a difficult thing, but there's no questioning that the concept of "you were just Hydaelyn's tempered puppet" was thoroughly done away with by Endwalker. She never made anyone do anything after the act of Sundering.
Creation magic cannot be trusted to a people capable of manipulating sufficient aether to cause apocalypses. The Amaurotines were lucky she just spread them thinly across universal toast rather than wipe them from the face of the universe.
The correct take.
thats a lot of words to write "venat committed genocide"
yeah by unloading her sperm into the wol
>all these simps ITT
Venat is a traitorous Black person. That is all.
I want a mommy so bad bros
I want her to pamper me and give me hugs and kisses
you don't deserve it
Man is a pitiful creature who cannot escape the cycle.
>See e-girl bird
>Summons mass cyanide pill
At least they didn't summon xiv slaneesh
Hermes really really fricked up with his naive-ass question and his handling of the metions in general.
you dense motherfricker, they routinely get confused and think they have a favourite food (despite not being able to eat at all) just because they stand near you.
Hermes' question had nothing to do with the fricked state of the universe prior. Every other civilization was already dead or on the verge of dying.
It was a worst case scenario out there but he fricked up pretty hard, metion was not nearly ready to be shot into space by the hundred, nor should he have bypassed the beuro of the architect before just shooting them off willy nilly, and when confronted with how fricked everything was he decided his only option was to make everything worse.
All I'm saying is ultimately what Meteion became was just a reflection of what the universe already was. If things weren't so bad she never would've been corrupted in the first place. Hermes' question was only "flawed" because he (or we I guess) didn't like the answer he got. In another universe perhaps the question would've resulted in a meteion that was more optimistic.
Yes It did. Meteion couldnt handle the harsh truth and went postal. If she was properly raised into mommyeion as per protocol she could just come back and Tell him "shit's fricked yo, call hades" and deal with the universe accordingly.
Tending to other planets' lifestream suddenly lessens the whole DEATH AND SUFFERING, just a hunch.
>deal with the universe accordingly
Meaning what exactly? What could the ancients possibly do to solve the problem of The Plenty for instance?
>The plenty
These guys really need a sundering or two
If every utopia needs a sundering your policy for the universe is essentially to blast every civilization which progresses far enough back to the stone age. Possibly based but a pretty radical solution.
Maybe, but thats because the plenty is in a similar Power tripping situation as the ancients, the warring planet doesn't need sundering at all. The point is to lessen the suffering If the universe really is as bleak as twitter shows. Can the plenty guys even revive or is their planet dead dead? Maybe getting ra-la'd is just a reset button like the sundering.
>Feralgays
Nvm they're better off gone
>the warring planet doesn't need sundering at all
Well, because they never reached utopia status.
>Meteion couldn't handle the harsh truth and went postal.
Meteion was an empath mouthpiece for the universes suffering, she had no agency in 'handleing' anything.
Meteion visited those worlds and got mindjacked by their fricked up dynamis, it wasn't a problem of shitty AI programming. The query she was given was only a problem in cases like the Plenty where she asked them the question and they realized the answer was 'nothing'.
The problem was that Meteion was given no mental protection against overwhelming masses of negative emotion whatsoever. No switch to turn off her empathetic ability, no switch to sever her from the sisters in case something goes wrong, Hermes is the reason Bureau of Architects existed and had such strict guidelines. Because any moron could create a grey goo concept and unleash it upon an undeserving universe.
>The problem was that Meteion was given no mental protection against overwhelming masses of negative emotion whatsoever. No switch to turn off her empathetic ability, no switch to sever her from the sisters in case something goes wrong,
This.
Add on the fact that Meteion's default was a hope soaked Etheris, and you realize that a fricking /LULZ/ thread could've started the Endsinger chain reaction.
>Every other civilization was already dead or on the verge of dying.
It was outright stated that a lot of dead worlds Meteion accidentally killed, because her sisters came upon some really shit ones right off the bat.
This was stated but the various materials like the sightseeing log, fishing log and dungeon lore notes give us a pretty good idea of what killed the worlds we saw and none of them seemed to be Meteion's fault, except maybe the Plenty. Even all the worlds Meteion talked about in Elpis that we never actually saw were obviously doomed outside of Meteion's influence based on her description of them.
Don't care, love Crystal mommy.
If we want to get down to it, women commit casual genocide on the regular by refusing to breed with autists. Only 20 percent of adult autists actually have children.
Also same thing happened to the Helghast and people cheer that on because they look like le heccin ebil spase nazies so make of that what you will. Also I have absolutely zero idea what game you people are talking about.
>no art of her that maintains her size difference
Stop making her human sized in the smut you homosexual artists, nobody should be taller than her hips.
Here's your healer for tonight
sex?
OBSCENE amounts of SEX with Venat!
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As the entirety of ShadowBlack folk showed, time travel in this universe does not require a causal link.
Unless you go out of your way to link past and present the way Venat did, the timelines will just diverge.
Venat could've saved her past and that would've saved Amaurot (until the next Hermes), but that would be a a completely different universe, and your present and future would now be utterly fricked without a way to trace Meteoin.
You going to the past is the Locus for Venat being able to help you save your present and future.
You expect asciaBlack folk to comprehend bootstrap theory?
That's not even the reasoning Venat gives though. She refuses not to change the path because if she did "the convocation would lose Hermes". If she was actually working to maintain the timeline so things wouldn't split off she wouldn't have mentioned an irrelevant reason instead.
See? these Black folk can't even comprehend what bootstrap theory is.
Venat didn't say "I'm not gonna tell them so the timelines stay consistent", she said "I'm not gonna tell them so Hermes will work with us." Why would she say the latter if she meant the former?
Last (You) she doesn't have to tell them, that's not how bootstrap theory works.
??????????
Bootstrap is simply a loop with no clear causal link, whether purposeful or not.
The loop closes because it was always meant to open and then close, it isn't linear. It's a paradox.
Even if you're right interpreting the story this way is the absolute worst case scenario. Even if Venat's reasons for not telling anyone about Meteion are stupid that's a million times better than just none of the characters having any agency at all because "it had to happen that way."
>Even if you're right interpreting the story this way
Black person it is a literal definition of a bootstrap loop, lmao there's no interpretation of it.
>Even if Venat's reasons for not telling anyone about Meteion are stupid that's a million times better than just none of the characters having any agency at all because "it had to happen that way."
You're still not understanding what a bootstrap paradox is, it's not "destiny" it's simply the causal link is not clearly known.
Multiple factors open and close the paradox, it ISN'T linear.
It is a classification of time theory paradox.
For a simple example assuming you're a burger, in terminator skynet can't exists unless skynet goes back in time to send the robot for the scientists to make skynet with. Where is the trigger there?
The causal link is completely ambiguous but it causes the timelines to synch because they're all consistent with each other with no variations.
It's not a line or a circle it's a fricked up jumbled mess of lines that leads to each other.
so you’re telling me venat could have made her universe a better place without changing your timeline (where you had already acquired the necessary information)
That would sever the causal link between your timeline, and your actions in Elpis.
You don't have all the information yet, until you confront crystal mommy afterwards.
don't care shut up
nursing hand job
for me its tanks (except pld) and melee (except rpr)
tanking puts me to sleep, the only time I feel alive in this game is as healer with a really shitty group
>while making US do her bidding.
She's a israelite?
>>>/vg/
>Venat, you've comitted GENOCIDE!
>ZODIARK TRANCE!
Meanwhile
>is created to commit genocide
>is universally loved and adored by all
>commits loving genocide on her people, giving them the sweet release of death they crave
I would like to
>resub
>join harder content as brd or whm
>drink alcohol
Alcohol for this feel?
Suntory
And the best part? The only help she ever gives you is turning herself into rocket fuel. She did absolutely fricking nothing and killed billions of people for 12,000 years.
Objectively worse than Beatrix ever committed, multiplied by hundreds of thousands.
Why is there an MMO general always running on this board?
Sex with ryne
What in the fu... there are actual cat-people in the game Ryne!
I wander how miqote feel about head ear headbands, maybe they'd wear them as a joke.
Miqotes are dumb. Tribe chiefs think she's a miqote female.
This is blackface to hroths tho.
that's cultural appropriation!
CANCEL RYNE RIGHT NOW
Built for Gaia's tongue
a fulfilling life with Ryne
I prefer red Ryne.
Philistine. Your lineage is weak.
At least Red has pupils.
pupils should be removed along with nose and ears.
And she is lesser for it.
Both Rynes are great, but blonde is extra great.
dear christ please post the folder
Sex with Lyna
Fricking Lyna in front of Graha!
there's one shot of her in a cutscene where she's looking at the camera from the side that made me cum buckets but I can't find it
I would frick up that hair of hers so much.
Posting Ryne
>Full nude
How dull.
>>>/vg/ b***hes
I'M A STRANGER
VENAT STAY BACK
I AM BEGINNING TO TRANCE
>How can anyone sit here and try to argue she was justified? She murdered MILLIONS of innocent people, all while selfishly hiding away for 12000 years while making US do her bidding. You think this comic's funny but I agree with it wholeheartedly, Venat/Hydaelyn is a genocidal b***h and the writers effectively tried to justify genocide to the millions of people playing this game.
Why didn't the WoL go back slightly further in time and just kill Hermes
>raid gear this time around looks cool as frick
>they didn't show the scythe even though the spear looks amazing
i swear to god if it isn't the best looking shit in the game i'm going to be mad
I will sometimes argue for and against venat in these threads, because it's fun.
we know anon
emetgays and venatgays are both wrong
True, but that would ruin all the fun.
you homosexuals aren't supposed to take the mask off
Says who?
I don't get asciangays. Even Emet himself pretty much admitted he was wrong and murdering all the shards on the off chance Zodiark would bring back all the souls he ate was wrong.
No he didn't, he did the opposite. He just acknowledged he lost. But his ideals are inviolate, invincible.
Sure, anon. That's why when he's sane and untempered he describes his future self as a "megalomaniac"
You mean his ignorant past self that could not even conceive that these things could take place? Did you miss the part that Emet chose to kill himself rather than live on, being sustained by Venat's magic? Just because he calmly accepted defeat doesn't mean he wouldn't do it all over again if he could.
>doesn't mean he wouldn't do it all over again if he could
That's mainly out of stubbornness though. He quite literally admitted that his way wouldn't have got them to Meteion to solve the core issue.
His deal wasn't solving the Meteion problem, he wanted to preserve the Ancients as a people. Before you can wage war on some ungodly eldrich abomination at the edge of space you first need to unfrick your society to the point that it can begin working on that problem in the first place. Venat nuked them out of existence on the cusp of that part.
God damn anon you truly are deluded
How could Emet have dealt with Meteion if he didn't even knew she existed at all? This doesn't exactly prove him wrong, only that he was lacking crucial information. The Ancients were not given any time to research the potential causes of the final days before they struck. They didn't have the time to sit down and debate and pontificate on the issue, they heard the keening noise and then shit started happening. It's laudable enough as is that they actually managed to survive them and unfrick the planet that was thoroughly glassed and create a stopgap measure that postponed those final days indefinitely.
when the ancients were exposed to the final days with no warning their society collapsed and the best they could come up with was frick our shit up even more to make zodiark and hope the problem goes away
when eorzea faced the exact same situation they managed to pull through
>exact same situation
Except, you know, the foresight of things to come
>when eorzea faced the exact same situation they managed to pull through
Because they had someone tell them what the problem was. If Graha didn't tell you to go talk to Elidibus in the tower then everyone would've died.
The Sharlayans were in contact with Hydaelyn, you could have just asked her personally when you inevitably brute forced your way to the Aitiascope.
The Sharlayans were planning to tell no one and run away hoping they can outrun Meteion on their lunar space ship.
You're the Warrior of Light and you would have gotten down there to talk to her one way or another.
Yeah and the ancients lost their WoL because Venat fricking killed him along with everyone else.
What does this matter when the whole point is that the Eorzeans had information to solve the problem that the Ancients didn't and they didn't acquire that info of their own merits, it was just given to them. The same person who told them that the problem was on the other side of the galaxy and exactly where it was could've also told the ancients the same thing but simply didn't because she chose not to. With that imbalance of information any comparison between Ancients and Eorzeans is pointless because that information gap wasn't due to either of them.
It doesn't matter because if she had told the Ancients about Meteion they would have been incapable of stopping her because of the outlook they had on the world.
It's almost like they had to create self-learning Dynamis based familiars to oppose another self-learning Dynamis based familiar.
Yeah, how'd that work out last time they sent a Dynamis familiar into an area drenched in despair?
That familiar was of exceptionally poor make since it was made by Hermes. No countermeasures, no failsafes and a moronic objective.
P. good.
WoL isn't a familiar, WoL doesn't function on dynamis. WoL is a human being just like the Ancients who was able to stand against Endsinger because they had been tempered in suffering and long since accepted it as a part of life. The Ancients COULD have done the same, but they refused. They were spoiled children who were too used to comfort. That's why telling them about Meteion would have been an effort in futility. You don't understand anything about this game's story and it's not even complex.
I'm not a Venatgay, I just paid attention to the story.
>They had Zodiark, same as the sundered worlds needed it to live to Endwalker times.
Zodiark is a shield. The necessary component for defeating Meteion is a mindset that fights in the face of suffering. The Ancients didn't have that and didn't want it, they just wanted to go back to their comforts.
>B-B--BUT THEY COULD HAVE INVENTED THE SUPER POWERFUL ULTIMA OMEGA HAPPY DYNAMIS CONCEPT IN MY HEAD
Somehow you still don't understand dynamis.
They were going to go extinct if they had kept on the path they were on, as illustrated by the Plenty. At this point you Black folk have to be trolling.
>They were going to go extinct if they had kept on the path they were on, as illustrated by the Plenty. At this point you Black folk have to be trolling.
Are you implying Eorzeans aren't on this same path?
>Are you implying Eorzeans aren't on this same path?
The amount of diverse societies in the sundered world keeps it from being an issue. The Allagans very nearly reached that point themselves, and yet there were continents like Meracydia that weren't even integrated into their empire. If the Allagans had Ra-la'd, the Meracydians would have still existed.
They absolutely did. The refusal to move on in spite of suffering was their answer. There's no point trying beyond that point because they decided on their path.
The two options were
>mass suicide resulting in a dead planet and the legacy of the Ancients disappearing forever
Or
>sunder everyone and reduce them to lower life forms but maintain the life and legacy of the planet
You Black folk argue for the suicide path and point at Venatgays as death cultists. Get your head checked.
>The refusal to move on
"Moving on" is only reserved for those that need it. You don't need to accept the deaths of your friends and family if you have the means to reverse them. An inherent belief in necessity of suffering and death is a mental disease. The ancients were not fighting so hard just to fricking disappear, everything Ascians had done was to preserve their people and their legacy from start to finish you fricking animal.
>You don't need to accept the deaths of your friends and family if you have the means to reverse them
Bullshit. The Ancient lifestyle was one of harmony with the planet. They went on and on about how returning to the planet was so beautiful. If they were actually sticking to their beliefs then they would have unsummoned Zodiark and let those souls return to the planet. They didn't. They just wanted to pretend nothing bad ever happened. You can see this in Elpis when Hythlo gets uncomfortable at how Hermes even refers to the process as 'death'. They don't want to hear it, they want to remain in their bubble where life can be given or taken at a whim, where it's no big deal and everything is happy sunshine time. They freaked out solely because they were forced to confront the idea that they were lying to themselves.
>they would have unsummoned Zodiark
They can't unsummon Zodiark because that would destroy the planet speedBlack person. All they did was choose to return the souls of those sacrificed back to the cycle of life and death.
>they couldn't have unsummoned Zodiark in accordance with their beliefs of planetary harmony and maintaining the cycle of life because of meta knowledge they didn't have
Ah yes, I see.
>That would be a violation of the desires of those that had given of themselves to bring Zodiark into being.
The desire of those who gave themselves to Zodiark was to ensure a future for other lifes. The violation is trading those future lives to get them back. So no, you're the stupid one here.
>The desire of those who gave themselves to Zodiark was to ensure a future for other lifes.
Perhaps reviving them and asking them would have been the correct choice and then letting them pass on after it is done if they so choose, instead of killing literally everyone like Venat did.
Emet himself, through his created shade of Hythlo, said their intention was to allow future life to flourish.
So you think that they could have created a super concept to fight Meteion in the depths of her evil dynamis realm, but you don't think they could create a solution to the stagnant aether currents that didn't require Zodiark? Not only that, if this is what you believe then it means they were intentionally ignoring the actual problem to remain in their bubble which further proves that they were mentally and emotionally incapable of beating Endsinger. Though, you're wrong, because Emet didn't know the threat was coming from outside.
>So you think that they could have created a super concept to fight Meteion in the depths of her evil dynamis realm, but you don't think they could create a solution to the stagnant aether currents that didn't require Zodiark?
I think they didn't know what was happening at all and created Zodiark as a nuclear bomb brute force solution to fix a problem they didn't understand. All they knew what that Zodiark was holding the laws of reality together, so they couldn't just get rid of him.
They knew it was related to the areas where the aetherial current was stagnant, which is a problem Hermes already knew about before anything happened and why him being on the Convocation was quintessential for Zodiark protecting the world.
And? The point remains, they couldn't unsummon Zodiark, he was keeping everything stitched together.
They could unsummon him after working on a fix that didn't require souls to be trapped in a genie. I also think something overlooked here is where the rejuvenated lifestream came from.
>world is fricked
>they sacrifice themselves to give Zodiark fuel to jumpstart the cycle of life again
>Zodiark flushes aether into the world
It should be obvious where that fuel went. Those sacrifices were already flushed back into the Lifestream. So what happens when the Ascians trade a chunk of that Lifestream to get the initial sacrifices back?
All of the talk about lifestream and its chunks is shit you've made up. At no point in the game is it mentioned.
Hythlo talks about it in Amaurot.
Their souls were definitely offered into Zodiark because they're still lingering there when we first visit the moon.
>They weren't, we see this with Hythlodaeus
The Ancients that were sacrificed to create Zodiark in the first place were still there, but if Zodiark needed extra fuel to jumpstart the cycle of life again and the second batch of sacrifices was that fuel, then obviously they were the expended aether which jumpstarted life again.
>The Ancients that were sacrificed to create Zodiark in the first place were still there, but if Zodiark needed extra fuel to jumpstart the cycle of life again and the second batch of sacrifices was that fuel, then obviously they were the expended aether which jumpstarted life again.
>doyouhaveasinglefacttobackthatup.jpg
But seriously, that's assuming the aether of the planet just disappeared somehow instead of going stagnant and dead.
>Their souls were definitely offered into Zodiark because they're still lingering there when we first visit the moon.
Right, but evidently those souls had not been expended in their time within zodiark
i mean we dont imply that the ancients died when expending a deal of aether to summon a concept.
Think of the soul more as a generator than a battery.
>after working on a fix that didn't require souls to be trapped in a genie.
Might help to have 75% of your population back to help with that.
>Those sacrifices were already flushed back into the Lifestream.
They weren't, we see this with Hythlodaeus. Zodiark is a force of activity, it's more like he restarted the dead current.
That's not what Zodiark did at all. It just used it's power to make the world capable of supporting life again, which naturally means more aether because more life.
We straight up see that the sacrifices were bound to Zodiark until it was destroyed, hence all the shades on the moon until Zodiark dies and the cutscenes where they leave.
>We straight up see that the sacrifices were bound to Zodiark until it was destroyed
Yes but there were two rounds of sacrifices. One to create him, another to provide fuel to restart the cycle of life. Zodiark needed the second round as fuel he could expend on the given task, meaning the fuel was expended in the process of restarting life.
>through his created shade of Hythlo
Ah yes, the similacrum with alzheimers is the reliable narrator by interaction with whom we should judge the ancient society and what should have been done with it. You can keep sidestpping the crux of the issue, but it won't change. Ascians were right, they fought just as hard as the WoL did to preserve their species, the whole kvetching about their inability to do this or that is just self righteous drivel.
>Emet himself, through his created shade of Hythlo, said their intention was to allow future life to flourish.
You need to replay the game or something. Go back and watch the cutscene where Fandaniel possesses Zodiark. The spirits of the ancients in that cutscene say that they're waiting to be revived. That's case closed, whatever Hytholodeus' shade says about it is irrelevant.
>Ah yes, I see.
What the frick are you talking about, they clearly knew that unsummoning Zodiark would have undone his magic and returned them to apocalypse mode. This is why Elidibus b***hes at you for trying to "usher in the end" and why Fandaniel kills Zodiark.
>because of meta knowledge they didn't have
zodiark was created with the express goal of "stop this shit"
since no cause for the shit could be surmised and addressed, its presence can be assumed to be essential to the stopping of the shit
>they would have unsummoned Zodiark and let those souls return to the planet.
That would be a violation of the desires of those that had given of themselves to bring Zodiark into being. Are you stupid? Or do you think the ancients should just go against the desires of their people out of some idiotic moral grandstand that you want to champion together with heaps of strawmen you build up? Those that didn't want Zodiark to exist didn't sacrifice of themselves and fricked off to live their own lives, did you forget that not every ancient was an ascian?
That's moronic. Choosing to reincarnate yoursef because you've experienced all you want to in life and want a fresh perspective is a hell of a lot different from sacrificing yourself to stop a world-ending apocalypse that came with no warning.
If you have the option to either just resume as-is, or force them to reincarnate, why not go as-is since it wasn't ended in a natural way?
Wasn’t each time they got close to a calamity it was because of the robed homies?
Every calamity was also simultaneously a shard being rejoined to the Source, yes. The ascians needed an aetheric imbalance of a different aspect every time they flooded the planet with its opposite not to completely tear everything apart.
You don't understand my point.
I mean without the robed homies messing things up we probably would have been fine in the long run. Sure people are horrible but them fricking up so much stuff and going out of their way to make a race that can’t use magic just to start wars is fricked up.
You don't get it. It's precisely the "being fine" part that's the issue. see
Yea but you wouldn’t know how bad or good it would have gotten if robed homies didn’t teach people how to summon primals aswell
??????
>Are you implying Eorzeans aren't on this same path?
explain how
It already happened to the Allagans. They automated all their work and started living lives of pure luxury until moral decay set in. Amon revived Xande hoping to find a solution to their increasingly suicidal nihilism.
The same way the Allagns were. All societies seek to reduce unnecessary suffering with the advents of technology and medicine. Eventually it's a given that Etheirians will discover a method for immortality and post scarcity. Hell the Allagan Magus in Mor Dhona has already discovered immortality. Provided society doesn't die off due to war or some freak accident they will eventually purge all suffering and become a "utopia" like the Ancients and the Plenty.
The plenty were perfectly content until Meteion broke them, so why would that be a problem? Or did you somehow miss the core point of Endwalker being the fact that Meteion was wrong and actually think her spiel was legit?
>The plenty were perfectly content until Meteion broke them, so why would that be a problem?
All Meteion did to break them was ask them what makes their lives worth living. That's a huge problem.
What makes your life worth living?
AHHHHHHHHHHHH SAVE ME METEION
Video games
Lemon pie and good food
Spending time with my best friend.
Anon for fricks sake stop being moronic. Meteion can ONLY COMMUNICATE THROUGH DYNAMIS, SHE CAN DO NO SUCH THING AS *SIMPLY* ASK
JFC
Meteion literally has a fricking mouth which she uses to communicate through speech. Meteion didn't kill the worlds she encountered, they infected her when they killed themselves.
actually doesn't she telepathically communicate since she stutters and shit vocally?
The others that coalesced into Endsinger didn't have that issue when they were giving grand speeches about killing us.
Anon that whole fight has her shit her emotions all over you, are you actually this dense? Her attacks are punctuated by an expression of her emotions. Shit like "its so lonely between the stars" "the hatred, the loss, we cannot suffer it again" "all of us have known despair" etc.
>Anon that whole fight has her shit her emotions all over you, are you actually this dense?
I was talking about in Elpis.
The main Meteion you talk to and whom the others "talk" through in Elpis has learned to speak and actually still fails to really talk to anyone except you, specifically because you are capable of the whole dynamis thing, this is a pretty big point in her introduction. Her "report" is specifically almost robotic because she herself can properly communicate without dynamis.
>Meteion literally has a fricking mouth which she uses to communicate through speech
She was literally created specifically to interact with to facilitate communication with species that don't share the Ancient's language you absolute frickwit. The "question" referenced there is *more* than mere words, it carries the weight of dynamis, which is her whole means of interacting.
Seriously how the frick did you just blank on the very reason Meteion was created the way she is? How can you confidently be SO stupid?
She was created to use dynamis so she could travel through space which is mostly dynamis.
Read the fricking dialogue, skipper.
You know very well that it was more than that considering that she was a personification of entropy at that point. Her very presence could cause sentients to succumb to perilous thoughts.
The lore notes in the Plenty's area imply that they were already deteriorating before Meteion's arrival so I'm not sure I accept that. In either case Venat gays are wrong so I don't really care.
Deteriorating a life-cycle coming to an end, even for a species, isn't a problem, however. As the ancients said themselves: "It is always beautiful". It was Hermes, and through his connection to them the Meteions, who couldn't accept that. Because in case the story didn't already spell it out for you Hermes, and by extension Meteion, are allegory for Depression. Some dumb homosexuals might think its nihilism but they either skipped the story of have no idea what nihilism is.
It's not nihilism, it's pessimism. EW is basic existentialism. I'm not sure how you could listen to Zenos' monologues and not realize the philosophical basis of the expansion.
I'd point to Quintus as the biggest red flag for anyone not really paying attention but most people seemed to have taken his end as "bad nazi ded now yay"
they stagnated so they revived xande to shake things up, but by that time they have basically conquered 99% of the fricking world and their reason to keep going was that last 1%,, the multiple cultures that people currently live in now would at the very least make something harder to happen, and with multiple cultures clashing with each other to keep everyone in check. this still leads into the fact that our greatest strength is not being a monoculture and one of the main points of the story.
ascians basically all pursued a perfect world, for all intents and purpose it's a monoculture
>muh multiple cultures shit again
Those cultures are individually progressing and their technology will reach the level of allagans eventually. No civilization stagnates, they either progress or die off.
>Those cultures are individually progressing
yes but different cultures are going to wanting different things which will eventually lead to conflict, unless some culture secretly turns all it's people immortal and takes over the world and/or everyone in the world unite under 1 culture it's really hard to predict if this will happen either sooner/later or at all.
>yes but different cultures are going to wanting different things which will eventually lead to conflict
Yes, conflict that will either kill them off or that they will surpass and continue to progress beyond. All cultures want to reduce suffering, there isn't a single one that doesn't. But yes the conflict can be catastrophic and lead to disaster. If you want to go down this road then all civilizations not killed by accidents have 2 possible fates: that of the Plenty or that of the Freedom Fighters.
>Yes, conflict that will either kill them off or that they will surpass and continue to progress beyond.
anon war can end without the wipe of an entire culture.
And then what happens? They continue to progress. Unless you're suggesting that the cost of huge wars will set the societies back far enough to offset the march of progress, in which case see
It doesn't help that I instantly got "Global Community" visions from the Grand Company of Eorzea.
the eorzean alliance is now peaceful and kind.
>The Ancients COULD have done the same, but they refused
They never had a chance to make an informed decision so the rest of your word soup is moot.
Oh shit the "you don't understand the story and its not complex guy" is finally here. I was wondering when you'd show up.
>They're all going to die eventually anyway so better kill them now
As I said, mental. Venathomosexuals are so in love with death they venerate it. A literal death cult.
>I-I'm totally not a venathomosexual!
If it barks like a dog...
>WoL isn't a familiar,
WoL is essentially a creation of Venat, who manipulated the circumstances of his life in order to turn him into a weapon against the bird.
It boggles my mind to hear morons saying "THEY NEVER COULD HAVE MADE ANYTHING TO FIGHT METEION" even though that is exactly what Venat did and what WoL is. The entire sundered world is just a petri dish to breed organisms for that end.
WoL isn't a creation, WoL is the exact same thing as any of the Ancients only he grew up in a shitty world filled with death and suffering
>WoL isn't a creation,
Yes, he is. Venat made the sundered world and manipulated the timeline in order to produce WoL. She didn't "create" him like a familiar, but she is responsible for his existence.
They really didn't even have to create shit.
Venat knew what WoL were, she had that knowledge. Tell her colleagues what caused the final days, get volunteers who would choose to get Sundered and go out and fight the emo bird. Pretty sure (You) would join just cause going to the edge of the universe sounds b***hing.
Would Hingashi have been able to stop her?
That's bullshit, though. They had Zodiark, same as the sundered worlds needed it to live to Endwalker times. In that extra time, they could have done anything, we've already seen so many exceptions to Ascian norms that they could have their own Scions already.
Nevermind if they just sundered Azem/Venat and just had 13 of either of them deal with it. Or made familiars like the WoL, since they all thought that was normal and possible to do.
It's pointless to argue with Venathomosexuals, the only use there is for them is to be turned into coke for the furnace.
>He quite literally admitted that his way wouldn't have got them to Meteion to solve the core issue
We're talking about two different things here. Emet admits that his methods would not have defeated Meteion, but when he says that he still sticks to his ideals he's referring to preferring the society of the ancients' over Venat's "walk" ideology.
>even if you defeated me my ideals are inviolate, invincible
totally the final quote of aguy who admitted he was wrong
Everyone who's cool commits genocide, anon.
>playing Persona 2 now
>just got to the part where it's revealed that humanity was created by Pleadiean aliens and the Masked Circle are Hitler cultists using the crystal skulls and the Mayan underworld which is also an ancient alien spaceship to force humanity to evolve by genociding them
Holy KINO this game was custom built for /x/philes like me
>>>/vg/
>Venat learns of the events that lead the WoL to the past
>Despite their best attempts to stop it, everything in Elpis happens in such a way as to lead into what the WoL told them
>Venat realizes it's a closed time loop
>Has to play along with the version of events described by the WoL because it's clearly futile to even try something else
bot thread
How is splitting yourself into 1/14ths genocide?
>It's not killing you if you are removed from reality and replaced by 14 copies of you scattered across parallel universes
I bet you think the coinflip exists as well.
Venat killed Azem.
Azem was raped by Venat.
She can't keep getting away with it.
Well yes but also sex with Lalafells
No.
Your loss
I will never surrender my purity to a fricking Ul'd*hn,
Only the glasseye israelites come from UlDah, find yourself a wholesome Plainsfolk lass
>Plainsfolk lass
disgusting
Ah yes the ~~*uldah lalafell bankers*~~
you will surrender
Venat is my WIFE and I LOVE HER very MUCH
Venat THREAD
BRB NUKING KUGANE
>society she's in doesn't seem to value any life except its own
>kills animals and other being with such efficiency it puts peta to shame
>turns autist into sad autist, causing a chain reaction that turns into an apocalypse
>society genocides itself to stop it
>wants to do it AGAIN, showing they've learned nothing
>Venat does what she has to in order to stop it, causing pain but ultimately a way forward
>society she's in doesn't seem to value any life except its own
Not like all of human society is vegan. We use animal life for our convenience (whether thats companionship or livestock) the same as the ancients did.
Yes, primals doing horrific things is the entire story of the game. Every race is a pawn in one primals game or another. You and everyone else just happens to be hers.
Alexander did nothing wrong. Neither did Titan.
I'm pretty sure their backstory says otherwise
Nope. Alexander was benevolent from the start because he was summoned to create a paradise. He never killed anyone, never even tempered anyone. His one and only goal was to maintain the timeloop and have you beat him because that's the only path that he can't be sure ends in total destruction. Titan was also benevolent and was summoned only to protect the Kobolds, but initially he was so peace-oriented that he would unsummon himself to revive the very people who came to kill him. He's only angrier in ARR because 15 years later Kobolds were still dying.
1.0 was a better game.
finally we can stop all this lore bickering and beat the shit out of this fricking moron
No need. There is nothing we can say or do to make its existence more tragic than it already is. Just let it be and relish the fact that you will never fall so far.
this anon is correct, 4 all reasons i stated earlier
The only good thing about 1.0 is the zone theme of Coerthas. Marred by the lack of content in said zone, but still comfy to listen to
true, the patches made it good and the lack of a sub fee for so long actually made the game grow. its a shame they scrapped everything, i still miss the combo sub.
>Venat comitted GENOCIDE.
yeah and it was the coolest cutscene in the game
thats not punching zenos
every time I think about resubbing I see a picture of this c**t and get reminded of why I quit
thanks for keeping me clean, Ganker
Someone show me her butt
>Someone show me her butt
Woooooo!
Mother?
Mom still has a rockin body
Just Venat rhetoric that makes no sense. Even if that’s the writers intention they did a poor job illustrating that. Clearly they’d have the means if they really tried, and the idea that the ancients flee from all difficult problems is just not something that’s supported by in game events. Pandaemonium alone is proof they’re not stranger to crises.
>and the idea that the ancients flee from all difficult problems is just not something that’s supported by in game events.
I think you're just moronic.
>MY MOMMY CAN'T BE WRONG AIEEEEEEEEEEE
>and the idea that the ancients flee from all difficult problems is just not something that’s supported by in game events
Yeah except for that one part where they were in total denial about accepting death and suffering and were willing to trade chunks of the Lifestream to a primal to get their friends back and go back to living in ignorance.
Implying that has anything to do with fleeing from difficult problems is just a non sequitur. The death of half the Ancients WAS the problem, and the sacrifice of the planet's life was the difficult solution. It's not unlikely humans would make a similar sacrifice in the same circumstances.
>Just accept that your people should go extinct even though you have a near omnipotent wishgranting device that was built with the blood of your people lol
Mental.
You mean willing to use magic concepts they're very familiar with to avoid or minimize unnecessary deaths to a completely unwarranted catastrophic world-destroying event?
This is like getting mad that the Scions come back to life after blinking out of existence in Ultima Thule. They certainly didn't really accept death there, and used unnatural magic of the Ancients to cheat it. It's magic, shit just exists in the world as naturally as modern medicine exists in our's.
meant for
See the next sentence in that post. If the Ancients are so afraid of conflict, why are Erichthonios and Elidibus so determined in the face of it?
>Pandaemonium alone is proof they’re not stranger to crises.
You mean that place that would be conpletely fricked if a sundered person hadn't shown up to help because the one guy who escaped in time doesn't want to ask the Ancients for help because je knows they'll nuke the whole place and kill everybody in it because they don't appreciate lives at all?
Elidibus was obviously going to do something, as would Azem even without the time travel.
That one guy who didn't want the place nuked was also an Ancient you know.
Yes, he was the exception that proves the rule, that's true.
Literally every single ancient we ever met was one of those "exceptions". Emet, Elidibus, Lahabrea and Venat endured more suffering for selfless goals than literally any other being ever.
ROE
You DO have enough mgp for the Mandeville Relics, right?
it’s probably not going to cost more than a fashion report lol. and that is literally just a trip to gwalter’s and maybe silfas’s plus some random dyes
I've been stockpiling, but not like there's a lot I Want to use it on anyway. When are they stuffing the weapon contest shit in there?
Are we even sure it will cost mgp?
It involves Godbert, and they confirmed that EW Relics will be like ARR/HW. There will absolutely be a MGP step since it reuses assets. It's just logical.
I doubt it, everything that will be needed will probably be added when it's released to give everyone and equal footing.
At most you'll need poetics
zodiarkgays are just gonna keep calling people who actually watched the story nihilist when they don't even know what that word means. they are all just wesker in disguise.
You're the first one to bring up nihilism, ctrl+f the thread.
we've had this thread before, all they say is that venatgays are obsessed with death and think the "utopia" that ancients had was better
>ifunny homosexual thinking it has anything meaningful to say
Off yourself.
>DON'T YOU FRICKING DEATH CULTISTS REALIZE THAT SUICIDE ISN'T EVEN A BAD THING
>angry christcuck wailed in impotent rage when people refused his dogma
ngl was jealous Zenos had rare weapon just thrown at him
Amon was a true bro.
Sex
idk why venatgays pretend etheirys is a perfect paradise free of all suffering
pandemonium already proves that ancients can do fricked up shit to each other
just because they said their society was a paradise in an allegorical cutscene doesn’t mean it literally was
it’s pottery they can’t even grasp basic nuance like that yet pretend it’s their opponents who can’t into inference
>idk why venatgays pretend etheirys is a perfect paradise free of all suffering
?????
etheirys has plenty of suffering even among the ancients
therefore the claim that the ancients don’t know suffering is demonstrably false
it's not that they don't know suffering they just don't fricking care that it happens is the problem.
This is like getting mad that people are using tools to make their life more convenient, comfortable, and longer instead of living like cavemen.
if you think that's the path the ancients were heading on i really do feel like you just did not read any of the story.
I think that's the path we're still on and nothing has changed it.
How do I go full israelite by going to other servers/DCs to profit off the Market Board?
Are there plugins for that?
Since the Plenty is objectively the endpoint of Ancient society anyone arguing against Venat's gambit is literally arguing for a demonstrably failed society
you think zodiarkgays care it's all muh utopia for them
>My opinion is objective truth
The Plenty is the endpoint for any society that doesn't destroy itself. There is no other path, every single road is a Dead End, to think otherwise and that the sundered world will somehow avoid that fate goes beyond hope and into complete delusion.
The Plenty is objectively the endpoint of absolutely any society that survives long enough to achieve that level of progress. The lore notes in The Plenty's area said they endured great suffering to reach that point, so there's nothing about the Eorzeans that makes them different. Just give them time.
We know that from the Allagans too, who almost reached that point themselves until based Amon saved them by shaking things up. But the advantage the sundered world has is that it's not a monoculture.
>But the advantage the sundered world has is that it's not a monoculture.
Ayo but i was told this was a ess jay doublyew game
Who told you that?
I miss Minfilia
Ganker and Reddit gaslighting campaigners, you know how it goes.
People literally tell you how they don’t want to play FF14 because they don’t want to have to deal with all the trannies.
Maybe the NA servers are worse than what I’ve seen, but it blows my mind the way this place can sometimes gaslight people about the most insane nonsense.
Anyway: Posting Yugiri.
>Maybe the NA servers are worse than what I’ve seen
You have no fricking clue my dude
Minfillia is such a useless character. Who the frick thought that a MINER should be a leader of the group
She was an emotional center for WoL, note everything went to shit for him after she died.
Me and my WoL are happy that the useless woman is gone
thats why your wol had an intimate conversation with her in her last moments and frolicked around in an ancient unsundered world with her?
Does anyone remember when WoL & Minfilia plausibly had sex after the fade out? Everyone remembers it happened but no one remembers when. Was it cut?
t. heartless
and yet everything culminates in bringing back the commune, every value is shown to be sub-ordinate to this "correct" desire. Such is the position the WOL was placed in and it is very stupid.
So to get this straight, since your way of making a point is terrible, you're angry at the game because you think the grand company of eorzea is promoting globohomosexual or something?
no u misunderstand!
No! It is not about POLITICS. IT is about nature of man...Not my fault u cannot parse
instead of MAN making decision...
Conscious aim, at some form of world, at some PICTURE
Wat do we get? It is the nullification of FF10 in a sense...
It rly spits on wat made most of the good FF's good, which was that sense of breaking thru, whether right or wrong, to DO THE THING.
In this instead, u are first shown some ascian apologetics in SHB, and then some moar stupid ANCIENT trash in endwalker.
And now u are this old homosexual's soul...
And what things are done? No longer are the beast tribes or other nations individuals
But they are all just
Sickeningly the same.
They erased war and replaced it with depression...
I hav no doubt it was the correct biz decision knowing how many sad-fricks cling 2 the game.
But it is sad considering that ARR set such a strong start towards a story that might have been something...
Where strong was strong, and weak was weak. But a new strength emerges! And what could this strength have done?! So many things...
But affirmative vision can cause distress, and so the writers took the EZ way out.
Primals, being, nothing but...Creations...
This alone
Invalidates the existence of these tribes and so on...Who at the start were written strongly enuff to disprove such an invalidation. They are not merely MEN waiting to be tamed. They are wat they are. They believe wat they believe. It was glorious to die in a summoning...
And this power might have been turned against the manipulator, the beast tribes themselves becoming the most dangerous forces...
But no, they are OLD HAT. Go to new worlds, for the same re-treadings again and again.
Oh, but there are GODS only they are not GODS but just humans LOL. And they are scientists and one makes a stupid bird-of-death. This to me, is of great offense.
These gods without dreams, they are not even titans [wrathful etc.] They are simply dull and depressive, written like cosmopolitan homosexuals of today.
i sppose, just read, the hollow men
take your pills and an english class
u new-gays r all the same
Crying cuz u can't deny u lack understanding of anything
Filtered by text
ZZZ
stop trying to be a BAP ripoff
>every short-hand is my favorite twatter poasters
KYS now, or l8er
The fact that you even knew who he is proves you're aping his moronic style.
qq moar
I hav typed like this
Since b4 BAP ever wrote a poast
OR any1 else
U clearly
Hav never
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Old online X_X
>But the advantage the sundered world has is that it's not a monoculture
You're just splitting hairs at that point. Just change "its the fate of all societies" to "its the fate of all cultures" and the point remains the same. Even if Etheirians don't unite all the culture of their planet in the future, those individual cultures will still have the same 2 outcomes of every other society: either progress or die off. Even in the extreme case where Allagans might've "Plentied" themselves while Meracydians were still living in caves, eventually the Meracydians will reach that utopia as well.
>You're just splitting hairs at that point.
i feel like you are not putting enough credit on that point
Respond to the rest of my post then instead of just the first sentence.
But the Ancient world was also not a monoculture. That was Azem's entire role, and how Venat formed the Hydaelyn faction.
Ironically enough the ancients had the best chances of avoiding becoming like them because their culture understood the necessity of refreshing your perspectives. In turn, nothing about Eorzea indicates that they could avoid such an outcome in the future.
The ancients having an actual healthy relationship with the concept of reincarnation is often overlooked in these debates. But hermes was right what happens when they're done being the shepards? ra-la time?
>The ancients having an actual healthy relationship with the concept of reincarnation is often overlooked in these debates
Venatgays just dismiss it as "suicide", even though they are rather adamant about how all the ancients should just accept bad things and die when they happen. I guess the only thing they disagree on is the manner in which their extinction occurs.
> But hermes was right what happens when they're done being the shepards? ra-la time?
That is a big unknown that cannot be answered by anyone but given how diverse the ancient society is, I think it's safe to assume that they would split into different factions that would pursue different goals. Simplest and most sensible progression of being the shepherds of Eitherys, to me would be, becoming the shepherds of the universe. Traveling the stars and seeding them with life. You know, the typical shit precursor races do in the creation myths.
>Venatgays just dismiss it as "suicide
Nah dude thats just christgays/shitposters misrepresenting the argument
but yeah for all intents and purposes i agree with pretty much everything you said.
But that was Hermes that had a problem with 'returning to the star', it's probably why the Plenty was the turning point for Meteion
Hermes can take his problems and go frick himself.
How about you take your Ancient kissing ass and go back to the official forums?
How about you go back to redit where you can keep getting upboats for your epic gotcha moments?
>6 months later
>Still shitposting about the story
The frick is a Zoidark Stance?
ALL fields moron.
>xiv players laughing at cringelord comic that spawned from their community
>people who seethe over xiv's existence now obsessing over the comic because they dont have any real points to make recently.
>tfw no Zodiark Trance mod that gives you a dark aura and Zodiark spells while the primal summoned alongside you is ElidiWoL using light attacks
If you paid some autist enough, he could do it, just look at that Dante/Vergil ability mod for DRK and SAM respectively.
AZEM'S MOM
HAS GOT IT GOING ON
Why are so many morons mindbroken by this story? Elidibuss tells you before you go to Elpis; You can't change the past. Yet so many morons here going "hurrr but why wasn't the past changed why didn't Venat cause a time paradox by cutting off the timeline that gave her the information she needed to change the past I didn't play Alexander by the way and skipped through ShB and somehow forgot the Ancients knew about time travel but never used it and don't understand why despite the story telling me"
It's just so tiring....
>doing one final p4 normal before patch
WILD
SNEEDS
Stand back Alphinaud, I am beginning to Zorb!!
What's duslwight lore
They are dirty elves that also lick salt rocks
See PotD
After the Sixth Umbral Era floods, travelers ventured back down into the Black Shroud and tried to live there. But the Elementals kept killing them so eventually they hid underground and created a subterranean city called Gelmorra. Duskwights evolved from the Elezen who lived there.
Eventually the moogles helped the Gelmorrans talk to the Elementals and found Gridania, at which point they abandoned Gelmorra. The Duskwights wanted to stay in their home, but the population loss was too much and it fell into disrepair. They're still seething about it.
I really wish we could just annihilate the elementals. Useless pieces of fairy homosexual shit.
Literal Black person mentality
>Allowed to co-exist in someone else's land if you just follow rules
>Constantly fail to follow rules
>Nig out and now want to kill that which allowed you to co-exist in their land because you didn't like having to follow rules
Kind of pathetic anon.
The problem with the Elementals is that someone else can break the rules and the Gridanians will get fricked for it. That's why they hate the Duskwights and mooncats, because those groups live in defiance of the Pact of Gelmorra and if they get out of hand then Gridania will be nuked. Nael weaponized that in 1.0 by bombing the forest from the air which made the Elementals start mass killing Gridanians.
>Let humans live in your lands
>Lands get bombed because of those humans
>"hurrr y are elementals different from Girdanians"
Dumb Black personbrain shit. Same with EW "hurrr why are the elementals mad at the girdanians which are turning into beasts that attack them y don't they truss us??"
Like holy shit just stop being so fricking moronic.
A completely brainlet take, and what I expected someone would reply to me with. Keep slurping up the elemental wiener, goy. Also
>Whiteknighting for beings that almost certainly hate you
THEY are the Black folk. And you’re doing the pathetic deed of kneeling for them, like the good little cuckold you are.
>No argument, just Black personing out some more
Speaking of predictable.
I accept your concession.
You ok there son? You seem to be broken.
what do you think happens to the giant lush forest you're living in when you remove whats keeping it docile?
Fricking based take, Anon.
I keep saying the same thing. Betraying the Elementals, when the whole reason your city exists is at their grace, would be as bad or worse than what the Ishgardians did to the Dragons.
>Samegayging
It's not only that but the Shroud is literally the most bountiful place in Eorzea because of the Elementals. It's like saying "hey why don't we burn down everything around us and turn this place into a wasteland because the elementals expect us to not frick everything up!"
The elementals are just dollar store proto-primals ready to ape out at a moment's notice because they don't like your shoes or some bullshit. They all get the aetherope.
Absent. Much like their representation among NPCs
What's Mooncat lore?
Gridanian frickpuppets.
I wish my moonie was Kan-E-Senna's frickpuppet
They're an offshoot of the Seekers that are pretty much specific to the Black Shroud. They have a matriarchal society which banishes all males when they come of age because males are rare and they want them wandering and spreading their seed around as much as possible. Their face paint has magical powers.
Anything else?
>tfw you find out Gridania worships Ancient garbage disposals
>crafter/gatherer wol giving a shit about loss of life for goods
this expansion msq and its themes are garbage
the only good bit was the rotador meme
>yfw Ul'dahns have wife swapping as part of their religion
How does BLU job stones work? They're mass manufactured but still have the same capabilities as the other stones? Can some guy make a Police job stone and it'd work?
Any soul crystal can be mass produced and were at one time, it's just that most of those jobs fell out of fashion for one reason or another. You can't just preload abilities into one upon creation, someone has to wield it and imprint memories on it for someone else to access later. BLU and MCH are both fresh crystals that you're loading up for future generations.
I just want my own, personal, Meteion fricktoy.
Meteion egi glamour when? Get on it modgays.
Ear-fricking middies to death!
I want to face frick the girl who runs the doman enclave reconstruction until she's broken
>lose my beautiful poopnose in most of the game's lighting
it hurts bros
Go on...
You have to get 3 lines first 🙂
I've gotten three lines three times, and all I got was ornate gear I sold for 15m a piece.
What else did you expect? Rowena would sell you Khloe lewds?
Best I can do is 1 thicc boi
After Ramuh is the explanation of Ascian soul hopping with all the scions. No solo scene there.
reminder that garleBlack folk are beastmen by their own definition and must be slaughtered en masse
Venat riding my dick and her boobs flopping up and down *plap plap plap plap*
I don't remember Venat looking like this. I'm also pretty sure he committed suicide.
I want Venat to drown me in her piss.
bros is Cid gay
He is magiteksexual
No that's Nero. With Cid the only question is whether he's Jess' top or bottom.
Bi. Mans double dipping bimbo bunny puss and garlean girth. I guess the man has a thing for blondes.
poor Mikoto
Genocide or extinction
Genocide
or
extinction
hmmm
This moronic ass plan worked only because we're crazy powerful like we're gods of this plane. There was no other way this moronic plan worked otherwise.
Adaptation or extinction*
The sundering itself didn't kill anything.
Our power had very little to do with it speedreader-kun. You literally drown her in "positive" dynamis to win that fight and your martial prowess only comes up when you fight Zenos.
Bro if i turned your family into a bunch of monkeys with vague hints of what they used to be, we're not even talking great apes here but like fricking maques, you'd call it murder.
Except that's not what happened and is entirely due to Emett's dramatic exaggeration. and need I remind you the story was quite explicit about how he was wrong to think so?
I don't know what story you were playing but its over and over affirmed how monstrous a concept it is to see people you love suddenly becoming stupid squishy things that are trapped in a cycle of constantly dieing against their will. you're literally projecting your own squishy human mind onto the subject without considering the perspective of the ancients.
>over and over affirmed how monstrous a concept it is to see people you love suddenly becoming stupid squishy things
Except Emett himself admits he was wrong, moron.
>that are trapped in a cycle of constantly dieing against their will
"and it is always beautiful". Let's also not ignore the fact that the vast majority of those deaths were at the hands of Emett and his ilk.
>without considering the perspective of the ancients.
Irony, considering how you ignore everything the ancients actually said about the matter and blindly spout Emett's ShB perspective which admitted was wrong and his actual ancient self couldn't believe how far he'd fallen.
Seriously how are you this dumb? Just pure selective reasoning and cherrypicking?
>Except Emett himself admits he was wrong, moron.
He admits that he was wrong in thinking that the sundered dont deserve their own existance. not that their existance is an inherent horrifying downgrade to the eyes of an immortal being, and a mockery of their own form. thats very consistent.
>headcanon only supported by a self-admitted madman
Seems legit dog, carry on.
I mean your entire point is based on speculation and mine is based on what is actually presented to us in game but all right.
>Literally inventing shit that wasn't said
Yep "based on what is actually presented to us in game" alright.
>Actually literally going by what is said in game
Totally just speculation my dude, truly!
yes. by all means go play through thou must live die and know and tell me that even fricking venat didnt have the opinion that the sundered are a tragic existance.
>Cherrypicking.
The issue is "should not be" not the fact that there was tragedy in the lives of the sundered (which is what she knows of them because the WoL fricking tells her about) it.
You have the argumentation skills of a grade-schooler. Step up.
>The issue is "should not be"
>Adaptation or extinction*
>The sundering itself didn't kill anything.
you're literally argueing about oranges while we're talking about apples.
You're not even making a coherent argument here, just pointing at two unrelated posts going "see?"
No, I don't see what your daft mind has cooked up here, do tell. Use your words anon!
Fine, I'll rephrase my earlier statement into a question, answer me honestly.
If i walked into your house, clicked my fingers, and turned your entire family into monkeys with a lifespan of 2 years, whom also just so happen to have some fragmented resemblance to the people you still care about, regardless of whether or not it was to save the world, would you not be horrified and consider it murder?
If it was that or everyone would die of space cancer, I would take it, sure. Would not call it murder either, especially given how souls and memories work in Final Fantasy, which you seem to want to ignore.
Im not asking if you would take it or not. I'd take it too, and for what its worth I agree with venats decision, it was a neccesary sacrifice, but pretending it wasnt murder is fricking dumb. I'd argue with how souls and memories in ff work is an even bigger indication that it was murder, they were denied their cycle of rebirth as they knew it, venat turned everything upsidedown and an ancient would be right in thinking every mortal dieing of old age is something that just doesnt need to happen. again, venat was still right, Im JUST talking about how ancients view the sundered here, venat included.
>but pretending it wasnt murder is fricking dumb
No, suggesting it is, that's fricking dumb. If you step on a landmine and lose your legs, an arm and half your memories, are you dead? Did the medic who saved your life actually murder you?
The idea that diminishing someone actually kills them is absurd, especially in a world like FFXIV where we have the Eden plotline to showcase how moronic that sentiment is.
>if you step on a landmine
you're comparison is baffleing, venat making a concious choice to split everyones souls and bodies is just not comparable to unawaredly walking onto a preplanted explosive like what? Venat wasnt a medic that saved your life either.
>The idea that diminishing someone actually kills them is absurd
again i ask you, if i clicked my fingers and turned your family into extra frail monkeys, erasing who they are as a person from existence, you would just consider it a mere diminishment and shrug it off?
The cause of your injury is not relevant to the comparison. Are you moronic? What the frick are you doing anon?
>again i ask you, if i clicked my fingers and turned your family into extra frail monkeys, erasing who they are as a person from existence, you would just consider it a mere diminishment and shrug it off?
Why ask again when I already answered? No, even in your ridiculously one-sided example it would not be murder. Your example is entirely inappropriate though.
Snap the frick out of whatever funk you're in and actually think about what you post, this was a complete disaster.
You didn't answer, you stepped around the question because you were stuck in the mindset of justifying venat rather than thinking ojectively. and i don't believe stepping on a landmine, an accidental injury is comparable to the sundering, a deliberate and calculated action.
he literally says the way they did it would have not gotten them as far as us and we should be commended for that, he just still believes in his ideals. jesus christ do you guys even watch the fricking cutscenes.
No fricking shit dude, whats that got to do with being horrified at seeing shallow reflections of your friends and family with extremely stunted lifespans. the sundered being a perfect counter to the endsinger specifically, and also having more potential than he gave them credit for does not change that fact.
>"and it is always beautiful". Let's also not ignore the fact that the vast majority of those deaths were at the hands of Emett and his ilk.
Are you moronic? are you really trying to equate an ancient after 2000 years deciding to return to the star and mortality forcing death upon you after 80 years? do you really think in the 12000 years the sundered have existed, most deaths have been only at 7 specific points in time?
>Let me just make shit up!!
What part of "always" eludes you anon? It's really a childishly simple concept. They didn't say; "it is always beautiful after 2000 years deciding to return to the star but not with mortality forcing death upon you after 80 years".
Read Black person.
>Redd*t spacing like a homosexual
Not that anon but get your shit together
>repeating a moronic meme and doing it incorrectly
Literally more reddit than the person you accused.
You are evidently mentally deficient
And you, sir, are a poo-poo-head.
>Irony, considering how you ignore everything the ancients actually said about the matter and blindly spout Emett's ShB perspective which admitted was wrong and his actual ancient self couldn't believe how far he'd fallen.
Emet was upset at the idea he would commit mass genocide and multiple atrocities, that never changed his opinion on the fact the sundered's very existance is a tragedy that should not be.
>his opinion on the fact the sundered's very existance is a tragedy that should not be.
When does he express this opinion? Oh right, after he turned into said genocidal madman. Nice try twisting things around bullshitter.
He had that opinion from the very beginning, frick guys even venat had that opinion "i gave birth to a world mired in suffering"
>source; my ass
"that should not be" is not a sentiment either had expressed. Stop trying to twist things to suit your demented headcanon. Emett is far more repulsed by what he had become than anything to do with the sundering. He doesn't go "no way, that sundering sounds too horrific to be true!" he refuses to accept his own downfall, because THAT actually IS tragic.
Hell, imagine a world where the Ancients actually guided people toward prosperity, but Emett instead ended up on a maniacal rampage clinging to a past that was lost.
what do you think my point here is? that emet was right? what ever you even argueing here? All im saying from the perspective of an immortal the sundered are a horrific mockery of life, once again VENAT herself aknowledges this. why are you trying to paint this as if im saying "EMET WAS RIGHT AND THE SUNDERED DONT DESERVE TO LIVE"
>Adaptation
Let's not kid ourselves, if there was ever a secondary definition to "killing" a person, this'd be it.
Really stretching that definition there buddy.
>Really stretching that definition there buddy.
>The current definition of Genocide is set out in Article II of the Genocide Convention:
>Genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
>(a) Killing members of the group;
>(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
>(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
>(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
>(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
Looks five for five to me.
>Falls on the first hurdle of "intent to destroy"
>Still pretends it didn't
Sad.
>You didn't answer
Black person are you fricking serious right now?
>"Would not call it murder either"
>and i don't believe stepping on a landmine, an accidental injury is comparable to the sundering
We're not comparing sundering to stepping on a landmine what the frick are you on about? Did you drop out of grade-school wtf is this level of reading comprehension? Finish your fricking primary education or at least apply it if you already have holy shit.
>Falls on the first hurdle of "intent to destroy"
>Still pretends it didn't
>Sad.
She did intend to destroy them though. That was the whole point.
This point had been brought up before, brainlet.
>"Point"
>no point was actually made, just some bullshit about coinflip
You might want to cut back on trying to call other people brainlets, brainlet.
I guess it needs to be spelled out for you.
The original disappears. It is removed. it no longer exists.
The life of the original and the process of his consciousness has ceased. That is death.
This occurred as a result of the sundering. Therefore to be sundered is to be murdered.
What came to be and in what form as a result of the sundering is irrelevant unless the process of consciousness had continued across the 14 copies, in a manner that would permit for them all share the same consciousness that continues on, which was not the case. You are legitimately too fricking stupid to participate in this argument. To be sundered is to be literally murdered and replaced with similacra of you based on your prior murdered self. The coinflip was a reference to morons that do not understand the problem of consciuosness and its relation to death, there was one such imbecile called Simon in a game called Soma, he too coped pretty fricking hard that he's just a copy of a long dead original that was taken whoever the frick knows when.
Nobody was replaced in the sundering, they were just fragmented. The original didn't go anywhere, it remained on the Source and lost most of its memory.
>storyskipper cope
WoL is not Azem, this proves you wrong.
Of course WoL isn't Azem because the sundering was 12,000 years ago you dipshit. The people that existed immediately after the sundering were the same Ancients.
>The people that existed immediately after the sundering were the same Ancients.
Headcanon. They were broken down fragments, each with a consciousness of their own that had nothing to do with their original life besides some faint memories that tormented them.
>Headcanon.
Emet himself says so in Qitana Ravel. They were the same people but with fragmented memories.
You are legitimately too fricking stupid to understand the subject matter, it is astonishing, really.
Shut the frick up you sneering monkey.
>You are legitimately too fricking stupid to understand the subject matter
No, I understand it perfectly. The original world and all its original inhabitants still remained. That original world is called the Source. Go rewatch Emet's explanation of how Hydaelyn's enervation magic works. It doesn't remove the original, it separates aether from the original to create a copy.
>Accuses people of headcanon
>Spouts headcanon that goes against what the story itself establishes
Bruh. Real brainlet times here.
Says who? The vague descriptions of Azem we have so far tend to describe the WoL pretty well.
Said all the ancients that could see the shape and colour of his soul. He looks a lot like Azem, but he is not Azem. If he were Azem, his soul would have been identical, memories or no memories.
Sex with Venat
Guys, I want to frick Meteion.
>genocide
She literally created thirteen times more people than before.
Came into this thread in the hopes of it being a coomer thread. Not disappointed.
BASED
How the frick did he get Vergil's animations in MMO combat?!
the genocide is not the problem, and the fact that the "debate" is on this shows how stupid and worthless the player-base is.
The story was destroyed alrdy in SHB. Negating all value from earlier events, retconning them into being nothing. There are no aristocrats, just a commune. To be a peasant is the ultimate good etc. etc. Eat yr slop!
Video games sparking debate is suddenly a bad thing?
So if I may distract very briefly from the usual Venat back and forth shitposting. One lore question I’ve got-
My friend recently finished Endwalker, and his interpretation of the effects of defeating the Endsinger and Metion was very different to mine. Unfortunately, I don’t remember the exact quote, but there’s some line about how all the souls and energy that she’d trapped were being freed.
He argued and believed that when we saw people turned into Blasphemies their soul was actually transported through to her cocoon and that’s why the Scions believed it had been destroyed leaving only a husk when they died. With the universe saved, those souls returned to the Lifestream.
Any opinions on this? It’s a far more positive interpretation than I had, I quite like it. Wish I could remember the relevant quotes though.
She was certainly hoarding souls in her dead sun, but it's not stated whether or not the people killed on Etheirys were pulled there too.
No it's literally their souls were completely destroyed. The dynamis burns up all of their aeither up to and including their souls. That's what Y'shtola meant. As for the souls in the dead sun, those are probably the souls of the people who died but never turned into blasphemies, people either killed by blasphemies, or some other means during their world's respective Final Days, or souls Meteion ripped out of their planet's lifestream, and jammed into that egg in Ultima Thule so they couldn't be reborn.
Why she didn't just blast them all with Dynamis after getting all those souls in one convenient space until they were all destroyed I dunno. Ask the writers.
The comment on Blasphemies was originally that all their aether was just gone (Y'shtola couldn't see them) but that may well have meant they were simply shrouded in dynamis, blocked out. Evidence for this is the role quest Blasphemies still retaining some of their original minds (quite like what we see of souls in the Atiascope)
Meteion arguably used dynamis to cut off the lifestream which rendered all dead life "inert" and let dynamis take over creating blasphemies. Restoring the energies of the lifestream would basically revitalize the dead worlds because the aether of which those souls consisted was never "gone" just pacified.
Meteion was certainly hoarding the souls of the people killed as blasphemies. Y'shtola couldn't see their souls in the Vanaspati dungeon. They were made into pure Dynamis, that's why she thought their souls were lost forever.
Dont forget the elements can cuck you by knocking up random women to make the padjaal
is there any city state that wont cuck you?
The first
at least the Elementals just do so at random
Ul'dah, well
if a Monetarist wants your mom bent over a table, your mom is fricking bent over that fricking table
and you
and your sister
your entire family
Limsa is literally Criminal HQ and you/your sister/your best friend are more liable to just get raped or kidnapped out and about and then Monztaerkak Childraepweyn extorts your family
>Gridania has Elementals
>Limsa has rapey pirates
>Ul'Dah has wife-swapping, sex-slavery, and corrupt officials
>Ala Mhigo has people too stupid to understand anything but rape
>Kugane has night-crawlers and social class bullshit
>Garlemald treats non-Garleans as subhumans and rape is common
>Thavnair is full of desperate pajeets
That basically leaves Ishgard and Sharlayan. Old Ishgard would have some noble steal your girl, but now nobody would dare look sideways at the WoL's girl.
Sharlayan probably doesn't have rape as a staple of their culture like the fricking weirdos they are but it'd still take one tentacle magic mishap and I'm sure you've seen enough hentai to know where that's going.
>Old Ishgard would have some noble steal your girl, but now nobody would dare look sideways at the WoL's girl.
That would probably apply to every city state though
nu-Ishgard?
Ala Mhigo post-liberation?
uhhhhh isnt it kinda fricked to make someone kill you in some pointless trial
why the fug she gotta drag us into her suicide
She was dying anyway, Anon. It was saying goodbye
Emet was a bad person, just get it through your skulls. He had good intentions and a pretty valid reason for doing what he did post sundering, but his actions before were still bad and his vision for the world was also bad. Venat was justified in doing what she did because it was the only way at the time that did not involve killing your friends and family on repeat
GNB players, do you ever really bother applying heart of stone to another player?
I like giving my heart of stone/nascent glint to the +3 or more vuln stacked dragoon just to see if they will live
how the hell are the omicrons a beast race? the ones in ultima thule are just projections
That's why they're not calling them beast tribe quests anymore.
whats the difference between a consciousness and a simulated consciousness if both believe they are real.
Its called "tribe quests" now, they are laying the groundwork to give us tribe dailies for garlemald in 6.4
Global Citizens are there too. If you recall the Stigmascape quest, after you beat the dungeon and go to set up the bar for the future Tribe Questline, they want to "recreate other memories of Meteion". So the entire questline will revolve around you creating more shades of extinct civilizations from Meteion's memories.
Where the frick they intend to go with this I have no idea.
kino and ambitious, way better than the last like five beast tribes
>Reaper in PvE
>microscopic brain tier
>Reaper in PvP
>galaxy brain tier
What did Yoshi peepee mean by this?
Excalibur is the best world on the best server because everyone keeps their chats to tells/linkshells/FC chat. I can AFK craft in any city state and no one will be shouting or grey chatting
>get three comms from a light party as healer
Nice. Astro's so busy but it's a lot of fun.
>463 posts of autistic shitflinging over a 6-month-old topic
You motherfrickers even play the game anymore?
It was only a quarter of a genocide
They'd already killed 75% of themselves on their own.
And plus the goal of it was to prevent an even greater genocide.
UMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM SMN ARE YOU GONNA TURN ON ZODIARK TRANCE
emet-san...... i'll have to go all out this one time....... for my fallen nakama...
DARK SUPER RUBBER SAIYAN
ALPHA OMEGA VERGIL SLAYER
ZODIARK TRANCE MOOOOOOOOOOODEEEE
This just made me think whether or not summoner will get to channel hydalen/zodiark aether in future expansions
no because they don't want summoners having too much fun
she won
deal with it
I have come to the conclusion that Venat haters are edgy athiest incels. The Ancient Race/Society was just deviantart with creation magic.
OMG MY CONCEPT GOT THIS MANY LIKES!
THIS FIRE BREATHING FLYING DOG I MADE DESERVES TO LIVE EVEN THOUGH IT MURDERS EVERYTHING IN ITS PATH
And as soon as they face adversity, they want to sacrifice others for their comfort.
Good riddance to such a shitty race of morons.
they're nothing but cutscene skippers and people who can't into english
empathizing with the ancients =/= hating on or even disagreeing with venats decision.
I'm not playing past 1.0 of endwalker, is Zenos dead for good?
yes. fairly sure his rpr voidsent is either a shard of him or a shard of azem.
When you simplify it, really both Emet's and Venat's plan was to kill everybody. They just disagreed on the details.
i really really really really like female midlanders
when are we getting level 80 blu