>game is lauded for its amazing story
>it's 6.5/10 at best
There were some good moments but on the whole it was rather average.
FFXIV
>game is lauded for its amazing story
>it's 6.5/10 at best
There were some good moments but on the whole it was rather average.
The overall story is definitely a 6.5-7/10 but the moments that elevate it are 11/10
Shadowbringers launch to the warrior of light is one of the best isekai anime ever and will remain in my top 5 for the rest of time.
FFXIV story is good from ARR
It is one of the best old fantasy novels ever made
I'm sorry but this game doesn't even compare to isekai webnovels and fanfic in terms of quality.
Get better taste
sorry buddy but even from dialogue structure and general prose its better than most modern fantasy stuff. You don't know how annoying it is playing BG3 and everyone talks like your average brit at a coffee shop
You zoomers really need to read more books
>he reads fantasy books
>unironically tells people to read books
Maybe start doing that yourself, gay. Fantasy books aren’t real literature.
The story is great (when it's not pulling contrived bullshit like the Elpis ending), but the presentation is unforgivably bad and ends up souring the whole experience.
XIVs story is good for an MMO which is okay for other games. It does have moments that are just flat out incredible like said.
Name a single non MMO with a better narrative.
FFX
Xenogears
Disco Elysium
Planescape Torment
Silent Hill 2
>Xenogays
>Reddit Elysium
>Planescrape(ing of the ears) Torment (to the mind when I read it)
>Silent Shill 2
Oh you're that 1 homosexual, kys.
ff1
ff3
ff4
ff5
ff6
ff7
ff9
ff10
ff12
chrono trigger
chrono cross
romancing saga
seiken densetsu 2
seiken densetsu 3
octopath traveler
braverly default
terranigma
actraiser
illusion of gaia
dragon quest
dragon quest 2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
and these are SE games alone, shall I go on with non SE games?
you're a bland basic white girl normie if you think ff14 narrative is a divine fart upon mankind
the narrative is good in comparison to other mmos, but that's like saying that mcdonalds is better than rotten hobo food
>ff1
>not ff2
newbie who has never played the games confirmed
i find ff2 to be shit honestly
not nomura tier of shit, but very meh
>nomura tier of shit
kingdom hearts 1 and 2 are better than most of the games you listed
specially anything after chrono trigger when you were asked to name a single non mmo with a BETTER narrative
>dq narrative
lmao at you
Is not liking Nomura the ultimate standard of shit taste?
it definitely is
you know it's a shitter because they'll just parrot opinions they've heard thrown around
he included octopath traveler so that alone should tell you his post is disposable
he just named a bunch of games off of the top of his head
anon, that homosexual asked games with better narrative
he didn't ask for good games
do you understand how a piece of solid shit is still superior to runny diarrhea?
come on tyrone stop beign a Black person, take a shower or something
get to the part of your script where you start calling people shit eaters
>you're a bland basic white girl normie
homie have you read some of the games you listed in there? You just listed some of the most generic by-the-numbers narratives in jrpgs that did absolutely nothing to try and stand out or break the mold. Don't turn around and say 14 is "bland".
sunless sea
pathologic 2
roadwarden
kentucky route zero
pathfinder wotr
shadowbringers isnt a good isekai at all, the world is basically exactly the same as their normal world
This
When it's good it's REALLY good, but overall it's an ok experience plagued by the same old shitty JRPG tropes that are so common in the franchise. It does a great job at building hype thanks to the very good presentation though
It could have been 9/10 if they cut out all the useless filler, but no, all the good stuff is padded with hours of inane fetch quests and braindead casual combat
Geee...almost reminds me of that one other game that is just like that and made by the same guy but lacks any sort of multiplayer component to actually distract you from the slog...now if only the same people that have been complaining about this werent silenced by the cult like community and woefully ignored by the dev team...
Oh wait..
>cult buzzword
yaaawn
He's right though, the communtiy sugarcoats the frick out of the dev team, this will inevitably cause its downfall, if dawnbreak ends up being the same shit we have been getting for the past 10 years i dont think alot of people will put up with the same age long excuses anymore.
>He
>we
You don't play XIV, please return to your blizzcon threads.
You're right, i sold the account for 400$ and wasted it on better games and hookers
>He doesn't know
>Only makes it funnier
Is it possible for this shitskin to make a single post without a typo or grammatical error?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA IS THAT YET ANOTHER..C-C-COMMA?????????? HELP IM GOING INSANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What aboug the miandering communtity….though…
Three ellipses in one paragraph, why do shitskins type like such fricking homosexuals
*ellipsis
>MUUUUUUUUUUH CULT
I've really started to just filter out any use of the word "cult", because it's become such a meaningless buzzword.
OP is gay
some of the story is nice, some of the story is absolute jrpg shit
>hurr you have to play ARR it gets good
fricking same cope that FF13 had, except 13 got "good" after 22 hours whilst ARR is like 50+ hours
Im pretty upset Yosho cucked me of the expanded trial for buying the base game once
Same I bought up to shadowbringers and stopped at like level 40 but now I'm discouraged from giving it another shot
i think the story is good
It's too janky.
>trusting MMO player's praise for the game they are addicted to
OP, this was your mistake tbh. MMOs are trash.
Why are FFXIV PvPers like this?
I thought that guy is a WoW player he tried ffxiv's pvp? jfc I bet he hated it.
The mongoloids that play this game have no standards and think characters walking off screen one by one after using stock emotes set to one of four cutscene music tracks is the pinnacle of jrpg and mmo gameplay.
They've just stuck with such a shit game for so long that when there's a slight uplift, they go bananas
Male highlanders, we looking good in Dawntrail.
eyebrows status?
unfortunately, never ever, pls understand, engine limitations
but the painted ones dont look bad in gerold and godbert faces if you're not a flaming homosexual wearing danger hair
am i wrong for thinking that all MMOs are the same, i tried playing wow and GW2 and they are all a bore with horrible quests that feel like chores.
what is so captivating about them?
They used to jusvbe glorified chatrooms to hang out with others. Now they are skinnerboxes that play more like mediocre single player experiences with a sub fee.
Try EQ Project 1999 or FFXI Horizon and you'll either get it or you'll realize that MMOs aren't for you.
There used to be more variety to them but they had to homogenize to survive and its basically a dead genre at this point.
i've said it before and i'll say it again
memeing this game into it being a mostly story focused game was a terrible mistake, yes the story is good and has a lot of good moments, but again, it's all derivative from other final fantasy games
people praise it and FORCE you (not literally) to watch it and read everything but that's boring
there are way too many other things that are more fun and involve more gameplay
in fact i hope the story goes back to being mediocre so people that only play it for the story could frick off forever
They should focus entierly on the gameplay now that they wrapped up a bunch of shit and are just introducing new areas
Got my queen bean title and i still play the event because it's fun.
I usually throw at the end of stage 3 on purpose to let other people win, but if i see a male character is gonna get it i make sure i cuck them out of the win.
Me too except I leave after stage one because I just like standing by the finish line at 15/16
YES I HAVE!
The only reason i play this game is because i self insert and like feeling the big hero who saves everyone.
If i wanted a good story i'd read a fantasy novel like i usually do.
To be honest FFXIV is so long that its hard to give it a numerical value in terms of quality.Shits a fricking rollercoaster in terms of quality, very high highs, painfully low lows.
Endwalker sucks btw.
the bad side of having multiple writers and no cohesion to lore, at least not anymore since ishikawa nuked oda
11 is a better game.
has tons of issues but when you have a well-oiled party its the peak of the entire genre, also i like its artstyle far far far far far far more
14 is just fine but it feels like you need to be a little susceptible to stockholm syndrome after a while to still be that into it.
yeah its a 400-hour story but 350 hours of it is some of the worse quests in gaming history. also the game only having 4 jobs melee/range/tank/healer is just lame. i mean you can argue that the jobs inside of those are different but lol. don't lie to yourself that hard.
except when you look a little closer you can almost argue that the game only has 2 jobs
red/blue dps and green dps
11 is a better experience but not a better game and the only reason being that it's in maintenance mode
having to party with people to move through the overworld is one of the best things i've seen in a game, it makes the overworld feel dangerous, immersive
as much as i love xiv which i do think is a better game, it is just too convenient in a lot of places
now storywise i wouldn't know i haven't completed my san d'oria quests
but both games could learn from one another or in this case, 14 should take some notes to make the players involved in the world aside from aetheryte -> npc -> watch cutscene -> repeat until matchmaking duty
>11 is a better experience but not a better game
anon, 11 experience is dreadful and was dreadful even by 90s 2ks standards, the gameplay is just raw jank, its the lore, world building, ambiance and soul that make up for it
11 is a shit experience, but a better game than any mmo nowadays
>its the lore, world building, ambiance and soul that make up for it
and you don't consider that part of the experience? maybe you should read my entire post before replying to it
no, at least not to a degree where I can say its a better experience than modern games
the pleasure that i derive from xi comes afterwards, not while playing, that shit is a machine of fond memories, but playing is an absolute pain, mitigated by having friends or being autistically driven towards a goal
xi is that ugly gf you had that you miss dearly and only realize how good she was after you broke her heart and traded her for a cute bimbo that is dumb as a bag of rocks
pic related
you're weird
but again i didn't say it was a better game, i do consider those things part of the experience and i also consider how the world around you is interacted with by the players is what makes xi worth it
is it jank when you're in a party and somebody engages with an enemy and then you see everyone just looking at each other while trying to target the enemy for it to die in the next 3 seconds? yes it is but some of the nuance in the game outside of combat is what makes it great
which is why i wish xiv had a more involved world, i wrote it last time but there shouldn't be an eureka/bozja, the world SHOULD be the eureka/bozja, you should get overworld items that make you stronger in the overworld, a cassie ring for the dawntrail areas and that way you would also move the market a bit with unique drops from monsters, just that type of grind of being autistically driven towards a goal is good for games, it's the best way to keep players engaged
not that i'd do it all the time because i do have my own autistic goals but you have to understand that the loop of xiv outside of certain content isn't interesting or engaging
i wont argue against that
i had hopes that the devs would eventually make the world more like xi and make it relevant, but they went with the simple grind for bicolor gems instead
i mean, 14 world doesnt even have things like critters outside the initial zones, everything is so dead in later xpacs
it would be nice seeing chain parties in a corner of the world farming stuff while you walk to get your stuff as a new player
and this would be a great experience since xiv isn't as slow, it could benefit from what xi doe sgood yes.
and its ironic because they literally work with whats left of 11 devs, but i suppose yoshi is too afraid of trying tanaka's method for once and facing backlash from people who barely even play the game
it were the toxic casual erps who made sure there was no exploratory content this xpac, and behold, they didnt even tried it outside a few hrs in bozja 1st zone
and eureka anemos and pyros proved that this sort of content can be enjoyable and last, pyros is populated to this day still
to me, what i miss most is the old style quests, no marker, no flashing lights, no pointer always showing where it is.
this game sorely lacks an aura of enigma, everything is so shallow and easily completed or discovered.
>it would be nice seeing chain parties in a corner of the world farming stuff while you walk to get your stuff as a new player
>and this would be a great experience since xiv isn't as slow
I do want XIV's world to be more lively and relevant, but XIV's combat speed is exactly why chain pulling does not work in this game. It was already tried in Eureka and it's a miserable fricking experience because you can't ever stop. FFXI's slower pace is why chain pulling feels fine there.
>It was already tried in Eureka and it's a miserable fricking experience
I only moved my character and used a rotation bot in Eureka for this reason and I am not ashamed of it. I saved my hands and no one ever noticed anything.
yeah, the combo system was bad in SB even we had some more space to dick around, the 2 min meta would make it absolutely unbearable now
this is also something that the game should change because i dont think there is a single soul that is happy with combat being so stale as it is right now, casuals and hardcore alike
>but my fflogs and numbers
i wont accept that a big company with hundreds of workers cant come up with a solution to this issue and go with the path of least resistence
>this game sorely lacks an aura of enigma, everything is so shallow and easily completed or discovered.
i can 100% agree with this, the world just isn't involved in the player experience, it's an actor for getting from point A to point B and it's why i say it's just too convenient
eureka is still some of the best content in the game because of everything it does, endless grinding, tough mobs, tough bosses and the best part about it? no flying and the maps aren't as big as some of the endwalker areas
seriously this is what i want to see in dawntrail i want the world to be important i want it to have nuance i want it so that if i'm waiting for a party in pf to fill up i'm just able to do something in the overworld that is fun
>it would be nice seeing chain parties in a corner of the world farming stuff while you walk to get your stuff as a new player
you bring up a good point because as someone who saw 2 other friends experience ffxiv for the first time this year, they complained about that, they wondered why killing mobs in the overworld wasn't effective for leveling and once they saw what dungeons give you they noticed that oh ok it's not important to kill stuff outside of a dungeon
>a cute bimbo that is dumb as a bag of rocks
Jokes on you I into that shit
I want those two tied up on my bed
im this anon
i played 19 days on horizon and 9 on retail. i now played more than enough of 11 in its current and more classic way.
its literally the most fun ff game. does it get boring sometimes, sure. all mmos on the plane dot. don't pretend you were never bored of 14, homie i see people afk in uldah/limsa for hours. it still plays like a PS2 game like actions happening including the damage/heal and then the animation plays which is just bad but it is what it is.
it still has fricking weird controls that requires setting up macros
its very easy to get lost.
it has some of the most uniquely evil dungeons in gaming and 100% for mmos.
it still requires sitting around waiting for a party especially on horizon.
but when it comes together, 14 can't even compete. even 14s le story which i finished, i haven't resubbed for the ew patches but i finish end walker. honestly i couldn't even tell you what happened in most of it because it's just a blur of
go kill these 2 really easy mobs
wail on this giant health bar that deals 1% damage to you
do a really dumb down straight line dungeon you can autopilot
click on 3 things than click on 3 more things
go talk to a guy and than all the way back and talk to me again.
do that for like idk 6 hours and than you get 1 minor interesting cutscene repeat for 350 hours
11 has far higher highs and even higher lows.
it still feels like it wastes your time less than 14s msq but 14 does have a far better ost, and pvp. ill give it that
... and combat and raids but yes i do agree with what you said i'm
it's just a very unique experience and more of an mmo than xiv
xiv is, again, just too convenient with the matchmaking the instant travel, etc.
i am more into raids and instances than i am into the msq or the ost (xi is better imo) or even pvp but i admire that part of xi which is just forcing you to interact with people, to ask for help, to have an overworld that is trying to kill you that you have to walk to get to your location, you can't just tp to it and if you need to do an instance you can wait for people that will do it so it's easier, it's like early in arr and hw where if you wanted to do a raid you'd see people shouting outside and just waiting around for a party to fill
is df convenient? yes, does it work with xiv? yes
but please i just want a more involved world
FFXI's ost is way better, actually fits the game perfectly.
FFXIV's ost is okay even pretty good sometimes but there is a lot of horrible Soken stuff that just doesnt fit that game.
not to mention soken only works well when remixing a known track
FFXI has dogshit battle tracks
Mostly agreed there. I think they're iconic, but that could very easily be because I have heard them so much. The general overworld music for each area are the amazing tracks, as well as big expansion tracks.
>FFXI has dogshit battle tracks
>dogshit battle tracks
I bet you think Onslaught was an original FFXIV track by Soken lol
Onslaught is genuinely a bad track
This is the best XI battle theme
HUH???
I hate you homosexuals who exaggerate everything so fricking much, and I say that as someone who loved XI and also prefers that game's OST.
you be telling me
hol up
so you be sayan
that
soken buttrock is
le good?
kys, shadowbringers theme would be NOTHING without eternal wind
NOTHING
SOKEN? SOKEN DEEZ NUTS BITCCCCCCCCCH
Idk what that guys smoking. Sokens remixes are trash.
i wish they hadnt turned 14 into WoW.
1.0 was flawed but that didnt mean turn based team tactics gameplay needed to go
1.0 was fricking dogshit and everyone laughed at how bad it was.
There was no way to “fix” it.
It's a great story buried under endless hours of the absolute worst filler found in Japanese media. What a shame
>hey destroyer of gods
>fetch me 5 apples
A game has made it when it has a 24/7 asspain brigade on Ganker
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fricking horrible
was this made by some bot to farm views?
moron
>AAAAAA you can't just tell me my shitty "mix" is bad!!!
consider making out with a double barrel
moron
Man MMOs aren't for me, my completionist mind is making me do every single sidequest I come across
>a shitty game, made for moronic kids by an old man that never made it past his chuuni phase
but enough about ff9
How is FFIX chuuni?
....have you not played it?
Of course I have, many times. That's why I'm confused how you could possibly think it's chuuni.
its about as chuuni as every other square game, that is to say, not much
>ff6 is chuuni
some of you folks deserve to be euthanized
>reading comprehension
>its about as chuuni as every other square game
>that is to say, not much
>ff8 is not a chuunifest
>ff6 is chuuni
this is your claim, now have a nice day, tears of the kingdom was never a good game
>ff8 is not a chuunifest
correct
>ff6 is chuuni
incorrect
>tears of the kingdom was never a good game
so ur just a schizo. got it.
>doesnt know what chuuni means
typical nomura gay
keep samegayging to defend it
FF8 is definitely chuuni, that's Seifer's whole character.
he is either trolling or just incredibly dumb
this threads do have a nomura gay who will cry every time someone says that nomura is a piece of shit that almost killed the franchise
>that almost killed the franchise
wut?
>inb4 'nomura is behind every game i don't like'
Nomura isn't behind every game I don't like.
He's behind THE game that EVERYONE didn't like. Or, more specifically the CHARACTER that nobody liked.
Lightning Returns is the lowest selling Final Fantasy game in history, even lower than FF1.
holy frick
you really are a newbie
LMAO
Not an argument. Nomura killed a billion dollar IP, and now we all must live with the consequences.
>nomura killed a billion dollar IP
?
nomura hasn't directed a final fantasy other than 7 remake and ff7 remake has been in the works since like 2002
wasnt he directing 15 before being removed?
yes but 15 also ended up being shit so we'll never know if what he was making was good or not
i think 7 remake is good, people that complain about the story don't understand that you can launch 7th heaven and replay ff7 forever, i like a lot of the charm it added to side-characters and more and the combat is definitely better than 16
>Not an argument.
>whats 2+2? and no, don't answer 4
this is your brain in america
>say a lie
>surprised when people don't fall for it
American indeed...
Does that Compilation stat include all of the garbage or just CC and DoC?
Fricking hilarious that they produced so much shit and it didn't even reach the total sales of 10-2
I guess it'll jump up when they properly factor 7R into the Compilation stat where it belongs
ff15 not in first place? oh no no no no, barry wont like this
Shipments aren't sales.
>doesnt know what chuuni means
better call your discord sisters
>octopath traveler fan telling others their taste is shit
what do we call this guy, narrativeschizo?
he really threw out his whole chain of bait with that one game
i gotta admit that saying octopath traveler has a good narrative and then admitting to hating nomura and disliking kh 1 and 2 is a good bait
I've been playing LOTRO and after doing the first two dungeons (Barrows and the Forsaken Inn), I'm surprised that I'm finding LOTRO to be even more casual and easygoing than XIV ever was despite not ripping out all of its MMO guts like XIV has. I'm at level 25 as one of the tanks with a shitload of buttons and CDs already and it's been a great experience. Might change late game but more importantly, it's made me think in hindsight about XIV keeping its leveling experience so horrible and keeping its world zones so devoid of anything interesting now that you get flight in ARR zones at level 50 so you can just skip over all the parts that were still somewhat interesting back in ARR. Any sense of discovery in XIV is gone now since the MSQ just holds your hand through everything these days.
Traditionally the primary difficulty in MMOs came from understanding obscure character building mechanics and in traversing the world, especially dungeons. The actual combat is usually secondary to character building. The idea is to go into combat prepared with the right equipment, knowledge, and allies and you'll be fine. But all that stuff got stripped out so now we have button mashing hotbar rotation games where you can't chill out for a moment and if you frick up it's over.
Any XIV friends here play ESO?
i hate mmos but i've got a friend that plays a lot of ESO he tried xiv and he only liked the story
i think he just has shit taste but is ESO combat better or something?
>ability/spell
>weave in a hit with your weapon
>ad infinitum
I like it for the classes and builds you can make. The exploration and non-linear storyline just leaves you wandering the lands collecting skill points but that's fine by me. The few things XIV has over ESO is all classes on one character, music, and story. And fluffy girls but that's a me thing.
>i think he just has shit taste but is ESO combat better or something?
is because ESO story is ES stuff, you can play the whole game and not realize the main narrative as its essentially done like in the regular ES games, you can accidentally skip whole plot points and arrive in a part of the map where the daedra are literally making a new cosmic butt in the world with no clue as what lead it there
as for combat, idk if better is a proper word, is different, less boring, but trying to run a dungeon there is just ass, balance is shit to the point where you have to actually do less dps to not frick up an encounter
nah i think this guy got it right
just the amount of builds you can make and the horizontal progression were the main selling points for my friend but i forgot about that
I played it a bit, it seemed okay but the microtransactions and piecemeal DLC were annoying and it just made me want to put together a skyrim modlist
>game is lauded for its amazing story
>its 200 hours of unvoiced cutscenes
>the unvoiced dialog is poorly written, no human being would speak 6 walls of text just to ask you to gather 10 bear asses
>every human being just skips 90% of the cutscenes
Quality > Quantity and world building > exposition
>whining about not having somebody read everything to you
brainlet detected, unvoiced dialogue is superior in RPGs
>in RPGs
but this is a visual novel for the most part
where is the roleplay in the msq?
>heh if i double down on being moronic surely my opinions will become more compelling
let me know how that works out for you
>unvoiced dialogue is superior in RPGs
Oblivion released in 2005 and mogs the shit out of this dogshit.
Its kino if done like in Morrowind. Reading text while the NPCs emote and move their lips but nothing comes out is fricking cringe
voiced dialogue is the cause of like every single problem oblivion has
Imagining the voices yourself is a better experience but I guess you can't do that as a hylic.
>Imagining
How about you imagine having some fricking standards?
Imagination is core to the fantasy experience, seethe and cope little hylic b***h.
Unvoiced dialog is superior in RPGs, but FF14 is not an RPG. I would gladly read walls of lore dumps in Planescape: Torment, but not walls of meaningless chatter in FF14.
illiterate pig
the issue is not written words, is the quality of written words
specially in ARR where everyone does their impression of urianger for the most menial shit
no one will read you a book just to ask you to fetch some rock, specially not some bum in the middle of nowhere
and as a monkey you ignore the admission by yoshi P that ARR quests were done with the intention of padding the msq and game time with a goal of 8 mins per quest.
the devs literally admit that the core design of it was to be time consuming you moron
not reading that, format your post correctly
Endwalker sucks donkey dick. Majority of the game being unvoiced fricking sucks too
Its mid at best, and the lows make you contemplate suicide
Real power move expanding the f2p content to the portion of the story most likely to make people burn out and unsub
f2p get eureka which is the best non-hardcore content in the game
too bad they can't host omega savage
Are F2Pers in Eureka yet or even challenged BA? curious if it changes the culture.
f2p wont ever enter BA, and if they do they will write a whiny reddit post about not being rezzed once they pop a bomb and how the community is toxic, it will be hydatos launch all over again for like 5 mins
>it will be hydatos launch all over again for like 5 mins
Oh frick yes
i worded it poorly
>it will be hydatos crying like at launch all over again
they wont even reach hydatos in numbers, not enough to challenge stuff there and without the means to coordinate since they cant make parties
maybe anemos will have a revival for a while
>>it will be hydatos crying like at launch all over again
that's exactly what I want
I just stepped into Eureka a couple days ago as a freegay and am now elemental level 14 with both aethercrystals unlocked and no visible clue as how to progress besides Krile saying "northwest blockage"
I'll keep grinding blindly before I look up stuff.
nice.
for any of the quests it's done XI style where you have to go off context clues from the dialogue.
Yea, someone told me that Eureka is basically old-school MMOs so I'm just gonna go off NPC dialogue and grinding forever.
>bait people with eureka
>next expac they get bozja
>then fricking nothing
absolutely devilish
i didn't even think about that
i guess they could do criterion... well they're f2p they probably don't care
i think i saw some in pagos
not sure about BA
xiv writting easily goes from legit 1/10 writing to 9/10 back to 1/10 all the fricking time
game is a a massive decline in quality so i have zero hope for yawntrail, cowboy zone did look cool tho
>Remember the window that happened just now
>Quickly log in and reach the lake
>Only 5 seconds left, only 1 bite, meh, whatever
>...
This has to be the most ridiculous catch I've ever done.
More brainlet takes. It's not the story itself people are fond of, it's the characters in the story. They are very good at getting you invested in their characters which in turn makes you invested in the story overall.
I actually think most of the characters are annoying and cliche and only like the hot ones I can use in gpose but that's just me.
I haven’t been invested in an XIV character since Emet Selch. Maybe that’s why EW was so dogshit.
Just went through the first part of Stormblood
it was so awful it legit made me want to replay HW just so my brain wasn't blocking out horrible bits equally as terrible as what I had just gone through
Get used to it. There’s some decent stuff in Doma but on the whole it’s Lyse being a moron and everyone clapping.
>Lyse narrating everything like she's supposed to be as memorable a character as Edmont
>she gets completely written out of relevancy within two patches afterwards
At least they understood back then
Yeah but because they got away from Lyse as fast as possible it meant we got two fricking patches about Tsuyu.
At least 4.4 and 4.5 were kino and focused on a character people actually like (Alisaie)
>lyse
>hated
>ditched
>zero
>hated
>kept
this game is pozzed, you know it
their excuse is that the char is popular, is it really? there is no porn of zero, there is no one who ever shilled asahi and he too came back, because he was a writer's pet
its evident that ishikawa's ego takes precedence to the story
DOOMER META IS OVER
good video i watched all of it
i like endwalker because it has helped me catch up with a lot of stuff
i wasn't constantly subbed for hw but yes i felt like all i did was log in to do dailies and raid with fc back then, it was still good
unlike other people i think xiv has had no low points but i'm just talking from my own experience because i always have something to do or i set up a goal
are you telling me that an online grifter that needs a game to make money is defending said game?
WOAHHH anon, that is a shocker, be careful with these fancy notions out there
Need highlander gf
He's really enthusiastic in that video, in a good way
It's nice to hears someone else that actually played the game back then too talk about the game
A Realm Reborn:
>Story 5/10
>Gameplay 4/10
Heavensward
>Story 9/10
>Gameplay 4/10
Stormblood
>Story 6/10
>Gameplay 9/10
Shadowbringers
>Story 9/10
>Gameplay 7/10
Endwalker
>Story 4/10
>Gameplay 1/10
Endwalker wasn't THAT bad
Endwalker's story isn't even a story, its a colection of flashy set pieces that dont even connect to each other.
As for gameplay, yeah it was. Raiding scene literally bled players it was so bad
and despite yoshida's lies, V&C is not wildly popular.
Endwalker's story is perfectly fine, its a good wrap up to the saga, and has a good mix of drama, action and exposition.
Say what you will about the 2 minute meta but
>Raiding scene literally bled players it was so bad
thats a complete exxageration
when you rate fricking HW's gameplay over endwalker's, then thats just bait
someone post the graphic showing how many people got the axolotl mount again compared to the other 2 raids
anon, no one cares about the game anymore, it became to dull and boring
you can deny all you want but people are only logging to afk and pretend shit is fine
they failed at keeping people engaged
>forum spacing
>someone post the graphic showing how many people got the axolotl mount again compared to the other 2 raids
Post it yourself. You are the one making the claims.
How do you rate gameplay in an expansion with no gameplay content?
HW's gameplay wasnt great, but I'm going to give it more points because it added PotD which is my favorite content in the game. HW was not good gameplay wise, but you could tell the developers were trying. EW on the otherhand barfed out the worst DD on the planet and hasn't even attempted to fix it, or acknowledge its problems. EO is going to sit there vacant for the rest of time, like like V&C
Back then they used to actually acknowledge when things weren't well recieved and tried to fix it, they didnt just plop shit down, ignore it, then lie to you and call it "wildly popular"
>Complete Exaggeration
>198k Tank parses in Abyssos
>76k Tank parses in Anabaseios
>near 60% drop in clears
>Complete Exaggeration
>Raiding scene literally bled players it was so bad
WTF are you smoking? You are telling me that raiding was in a better state during HW, when Gordias almost killed the raiding scene of FFXIV?
If you don't like EW that is fine, but let's not exxagerat.
>V&C is not wildly popular.
Variant is fine. It's a nice way to explore small stories and world building that don't fit on the MSQ. Criterion is the one that is really polarizing.
No one is running variant.
Its piss easy, yet the rewards sell for a lot because no one does it.
Variant is piss easy so it can be done solo with no issues. If something isn't on duty finder, then it will be hard to find people doing it all the time. You either have to join a discord group or camp Party Finder.
Yeah. It is. And I've soloed to completion all of them. No one. Is. Running it.
Go look at the prices of the Noir set or set from Mount Rokkon. Its a solid casual money farm because NO ONE runs it.
Yeah. We agree is easy to solo so you don't need to rely on people. Variant isn't content that you suposse to be doing over and over again, just like any other dungeon in FFXIV. You do it once for the story and the rewards and that is it. You can also just do it to buy things like the Noir set and sell it for the Limsa AFK crowd that isn't interested on running anything.
>do it for the story and REWARDS
>people are not doing it for either
so its not popular. got it thanks.
quality Ganker argument.
>when Gordias almost killed the raiding scene of FFXIV?
the only argument minwalker shills can ever make
gordas fricked the raiding scene for 4 months
and was followed up by one of the best tiers ever
raiding in minwalker is declining heavily with each tier
and you have a 10-11 month gap until the next content drop
do you think all people who got burned out at abyssos or anababy will just decide to try it again after so long?
anon, you gotta learn something about bussiness
if you dont engage your costumer he will eventually forget your brand or pick a different brand that offers the same service, and it costs much more to bring new costumers in than to keep loyal ones
the incompetency of devs into adjusting minwalker during its patches like they used to do with HW and SB proves that they no longer understand why they got succesful to begin with
and to run home your gordias bullshit
THEY LEARNED AND ADAPTED! in one patch cycle
people had issues with minwalker raiding since tier 1
people were livid during tier 2 doubling down on the issues
and they released tier 3 which is even worse with no changes in the path they were going
so no, your gordias argument holds no ground, if anything it proves how up their asses the devs are nowadays when compared to their old days
you totally sound like someone who was there at the time
>you totally sound like someone who was there at the time
oh no sister, better watch your fav streamer for a comeback
says the guy coming from the game that is held up by its ecelbs only
>10-11 month gap
do people really think they're dropping DT in August or September
You're delusional if you don't think it's late August at the earliest.
you do realize only Endwalker released in Winter, every other expac and the original release were all in June/July
You do realize Endwalker was delayed, and then they extended the patch cycle to 4 months, and then to 5 months, and in spite of this the patches are releasing with more bugs than ever before and they didn't even have the PREVIEW of the lifestyle content ready to show at EU fanfest as planned
I chose to blame FFXVI
They've also basically stopped listening to feedback on the content they drop and expect you to just deal with it, then lie to you about it being popular.
>start hiring danger hair and fujos
>start to gaslight fans
>hide behind unpaid shills to deflect criticism
did SE pulled a disney?
>did pulled
Seething ESL shitskins and doomposting, every time
>They've also basically stopped listening to feedback on the content they drop and expect you to just deal with it, then lie to you about it being popular.
You're just new.
>lowest options are the full furries and full scalies
Can't believe XIV players are this based.
you do realize that summer doesnt means just june july right?
and the fact that they announce it as summer is so that they can "delay it for quality control" while yoshi apologizes and cries while streaming
summer ends in late september
this is your launch window
august is the best case scenario because they can market it with the anniversary too
and you also forget that patches now take 4 months of development + mid and end of the year vacations, the team days off alone add a whole month of waiting
do you think the devs will just crunch to release it before july?
you are moronic
>my doompost headcanon will happen because.....because I said so!!
much like with your biological sex, you can only deny reality
you will never be a woman, and the game will never release before august
you are not loved, and your parents will be happy once you move out
>troonshit out of nowhere
wrong thread buddy
>you do realize only Endwalker released in Winter,
Did you already forget that it was advertised to release in fall and then Koji and Yoshida had that little bit on stage when they showed the final release date?
>Koji: "But you said fall...?"
>Yoshida: "L-late fall."
you started in 2021
>and you have a 10-11 month gap until the next content drop
DT isn't going to drop in August, unless they announce a delay.
>if you dont engage your costumer he will eventually forget your brand or pick a different brand that offers the same service, and it costs much more to bring new costumers in than to keep loyal ones
This is the flaw in you argument. There is no other brands. The MMO genre is dead. The top 5 MMOs in the world are all over 10 years old. If you don't raid on FFXIV your only option with huge raiding content is WoW, which has it's series of issues that have been going for years.
To not even talk about how raiding isn't even a big part of FFXIV, less than 10% of the playerbase even engage with content harder than extremes.
>unless they announce a delay.
scheduled for summer release
summer ends in september
an august release is not a delay
why the frick do you think they gave such a wide window?
>yoshi why you delay to september?
>its not delayed i said summer
do you always assume the worst for every situation in your life?
are you a 5.4 100 pound sissy male with a receding hairline californian who uses social media updoots as an affirmation tool to justify your life choices and believe shit is fine because your echo chamber said you're beautiful?
do you engage with youtube comments that dont agree with you and swear tha XIV is doing good because your parasocial scammer tells you so?
are you really that moronic?
the devs have been under delivering, lying and delaying shit for the past 2 years anon
there is no negativity in expecting that they do what they've been doing for a while now
this is called being realist
Take your fricking meds shitskin
the thirdie is off his meds again
It's in june you mouthbreathing moron, I assume they taught you how to do basic addition and subtraction in school so please apply it to this situation. The longest gap they've had between .5 and a new expansion was 8 months in ShB to EW and that was a legitimate delay situation, normally it's 6-7 months.
It would take something catastrophic, covid unpreparedness level, for the expansion to be pushed back an extra 4 months.
>This is the flaw in you argument.
yeah, enlighten me with your marketing degree
>There is no other brands.
>The top 5 MMOs in the world are all over 10 years old. If you don't raid on FFXIV your only option with huge raiding content is WoW,
ah ok, you're just an ESL moron
>yeah, enlighten me with your marketing degree
>ah ok, you're just an ESL moron
Show me those other MMOs with huge raiding content that are taking players away. Try to prove something before claiming that everyone else is stupid.
>raiding
who said anything about raiding moron?
its aboug engaging
if xiv is stale and lacks content peolpe will move out because there is no hype anymore
stop being a monkey and assuming shit there is more to mmos than just raiding, the fact that raiding is dying is a sympton of a greater issue, not the issue
Why do you talk like that? If you want people to take you seriously maybe you shouldn't type like a shitskin.
Aboug
Doomposts have been even more ESL than usual lately
>who said anything about raiding moron?
That entire argument was around how raiding is boring and losing players.
>if xiv is stale and lacks content peolpe will move out because there is no hype anymore
Can you please prove any of your claims.
moron
>endwalker’s story being worse than shitblood
>endwalker’s gameplay being worse than heavensward which was almost unplayable
>Heavensward
>almost unplayable
Endbryo fantasies just get crazier and crazier
t. stormweenie
HW nearly killed the game a second time it was so fricking bad
>HW nearly killed the game a second time it was so fricking bad
I'm a Legacygay, and you're just proving that you're an endbryo going off secondhand information because you used this copypasted line. The problem with HW was that Gordias was overtuned and killed statics which drove anyone who wanted to raid to collect on Gilgamesh, leaving other servers dry with nothing else to do. And then the dev team decided to all go on a month long break all at once, delaying 3.1. So we were just fricked with nothing to do. It had nothing to do with the actual gameplay. What the frick do you morons get out of pretending to be oldgays?
>the raid being overturned and basically unclearable by anyone who wasn't a complete cutting edge parsegay doesn't mean the gsne was bad
Kek ok
The single piece of content we had for 5 months being too hard for the average player to clear =/= the game being unplayable
When that single piece of content is the only worthwhile shit to do in the game it's kind of a big deal yeah. Back then there was no such thing as Ultimate, or Palace of the Dead, or Eureka, or Bozja. Hell, they'd also butchered the shit out of crafting with even basic shit needing mats from timed nodes, weekly capped scrips, favors, you name it. Savage at 3.0 launch was pretty much the entirety of the endgame and it was ball crushingly difficult to the point that single digit percentage points of the population was participating.
A Realm Reborn:
>Story 5/10
>Gameplay 3/10
Heavensward
>Story 8/10
>Gameplay 3/10
Stormblood
>Story 3/10
>Gameplay 7/10
Shadowbringers
>Story 9/10
>Gameplay 6/10
Endwalker
>Story 8/10
>Gameplay 5/10
ftfy
>HW with better gameplay than EW
>SB with better story than EW
Take your bad opnions somewere else.
EW gameplay is pretty fricking bad, mang.
It's pretty much the same gameplay from Shadowbringers and for as many issues it has, it's still better than TP, Stat slots, Elemental weakness and Cross Skills.
And it’s still better than ARR/Heavensward
you have never played the game before shb
so you're either an erp homosexual that started in shb
or a streamer homosexual that started because your favorite grifter milked your breasts
moron
>projection: the post
>I started in 2021: The Post
>Shadowbringers gameplay: 7/10
>Endwalker gameplay: 1/10
>When EW is just ShB 2.0 in terms of gameplay
most moronic post ITT
One expansion has DRS and Bozja
the other has
uh.............
more than 1 ultimate
That's not gameplay. The jobs are the best they've been at currently.
A 2nd ultimate, criterion which has the gayest rewards but is fun to clear once.
The two best ultimates in the game.
>One expansion has DRS and Bozja
That is content. Not gameplay.
A second ultimate, variant, criterion, pvp rework
Bozja and Zadnor zones are shit btw, the raids are the only good part of it
>ShB gameplay that high when it's mostly the same shit as EW
>HW gameplay that low
moron alert
Shadowbab post.
Endwalker's base story was better than Shadowbringers'. Sorry, not sorry.
>mogs the entirety of post ew msq
Bet you guys miss Stormblood
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The only good parts of 4.x was the stuff involving Varis. Yotsuyu's story was moronic and everything involving Gaius was weirdly off for me compared to how almost every other Garlean character gets treated with respect or forgiveness
Yotsuyu's story was good, but it was also a fraction of the SB post MSQ. SB wasted too much time on things that no one cared about.
Every problem the Stormblood MSQ has, the Endwalker MSQ has to a worse degree.
Its just the game's community changed over the years and isn't willing to call this shit out anymore.
>Every problem the Stormblood MSQ has, the Endwalker MSQ has to a worse degree.
Care to elaborate?
>lack of focus being torn between Ala Mhigo and Doma
>lack of focus being torn between Garlemald and Ancient shit
the ancient shit basically hijacks the story post zodiark and nothing that happens before it is even relevant anymore. At least stormblood gets back to both of them, and the post story saves it to some regard.
>character assassination of Yda turned into the unlikable Lyse
>character assassination of the Crystal Exarch turned into the unlikable fanboy G'raha Tia
>Story mianders with worthless filler content like everything that happens in the Ruby Red Sea
>Story mianders with worthless filler content like verything that happens in the entire first half with Thavnir and Labrynthos
>Lots of existing characters don't really have anything to do, like alisae tags along for a long time and does nothing
>Lots of existing characters dont have anything to do, except its all the scions now
>Ala Mhigo got demoted to a dungeon after all its build up
>Garlemald got turned into residential Detroit after all its build up
Last I checked neither Elpis or Garlemald are in Thavnir
and Garlemald definantely drew the short stick in terms of attention favoring Ancient stuff and void stuff.
>mianders
Shitskin moment
>character assassination of the Crystal Exarch turned into the unlikable fanboy G'raha Tia
Shadowbringers did this thoughever.
Also it's Meanders.
>Last I checked neither Elpis or Garlemald are in Thavnir
Thavnair and Garlemald are both in Ilsabard which is the only consistency in EW's zones
>the ancient shit basically hijacks the story post zodiark and nothing that happens before it is even relevant anymore.
We came back to Garlemald multiple to deal with the situation, the twins are stationed there.
>character assassination of the Crystal Exarch turned into the unlikable fanboy G'raha Tia
That happened on the end of ShB and a lot of people seem to like it, he is always at the top of popularity pools.
>Story mianders with worthless filler content like verything that happens in the entire first half with Thavnir and Labrynthos
That is called setup
>Lots of existing characters dont have anything to do, except its all the scions now
We only won against Meteion because of the scions.
>Garlemald got turned into residential Detroit after all its build up
It's destroyed. It's over already.
>We only won against Meteion because of the scions.
you know I didn't really expect Endwalker to just steal the ending to every Persona game.
>you know I didn't really expect Endwalker to just steal the ending to every Persona game.
That is the ending of pretty much every RPG with a party of friends.
I disagree. SB had the issue of spliting it's own story on 2 diferent continents, which is something unique to that expansion.
>Yotsuyu's story was good
No it fricking wasn't, it's filled with nonsense moment after nonsense moment.
I was gonna say "no lol" but... You said post-EW MSQ.
Yeah, I don't hate 6.1-6.5 but I do think it was EXTREMELY dragged out. And for how much filler there was, it's a sin we didn't get more on Golbez and/or Durante, or the two of them interacting together.
>being elitist about pointless grind zone
xivvers truly brain damaged
It's not really much to write home about besides the autism in trying to flesh out the world, but when it's graded by the Final Fantasy standard, it's not hard to see why some people uprate it higher than it deserves.
tell me about minfilia
why does she have the but window?
attracts scion recruits & funding
Akihiko Yoshida art direction
because the devs were men back then and not troon and fujos like now
Lore answer: Her clothes are hand-me-downs from her granny catty, the butt window is there for the tail.
Yeah but sex with Lalafells
You can just manhandle them like loving breathing farting onaholes.
and good beginner class where i don't have to stress during like random ques? so tank column is out the question at the moment.
pick whatever you want. if you're nervous you can do dungeons with npcs
Tanking is the easiest thing to do.
if you play a femroe or a fem highlander i just want you to know that you're very fricking disgustingly ugly and nobody thinks you're attractive except for other trannies.
>BRO THE STORY IS SO GOOOD BROOO
>fifty quests of doing worthless nonsense like collecting tea leaves and killing 10 boars and coming back to a non-voiced cutscene until you reach an arbitrary amount of worthless quests until you get a dungeon that is the exact same as the last one you did or an epic style over substance trial
yeah you all have smooth and easily entertained brains, you know an MMO with a good story? fricking swtor mogs the frick out of 14
so, when they remove the no rez debuff in BA, will it suddenly become trash?
they will never remove it
it is already dirty easy
half the raid can be using a tank logos and doing jack shit dps and virtue still melts
It's so easy now that I don't really think it would make much of a difference at all honestly
perfect height lala
Not perfect height lala
MNK, SAM, or wait for the Viper?
Why not all of those things? You have more than enough time to level those jobs up before the expansion hits.
I actually don't, you see I'm on Dynamis
The free trial is a bold move. ARR is easily the worst MMO I've ever played and forcing people to sit through that shit to get them hooked is brave.
>inb4 but shadowbringers is good
>yeah bro just play the game for 60 hours i swear to god it gets totally tolerable
I am not going to let a video game give me stockholm syndrome.
And given that XIV is more popular than ever it clearly worked
>game goes free
>servers suddenly fill with brazilians
>"this is good for our game"
Holy frick so many barys here today.
The level 87 Sundering cutscene is the fricking peak of FF storytelling, throughout the entire franchise, and I will die on this hill.
>shows an inaccurate abridged series of events and then doesn't even show the actual sundering
Yeah, no
>No scene of Hydaelyn and Zodiark fighting or Hydaelyn sundering him
Yeah no, it was bad.
That sounds cringe.
No more cringe than whatever that cutscene was.
>it needs to be like mah marvel movies! i need to see it!
Instead we got le epik puddingway jokes
I love the heckin marketable lopporits, totally not just xiv minions
>still making secondaries piss and shit in rage
bless their little souls
big mad
lmao
OH NO NO NO
>cant win argument so bring up WoW
what if I told you I don't play Blizzard slop.
I just hate the marketable mini clones of eachother all with one singular cutsey trait gimmick. Frick your Moon Minions.
>argument
He doesn't know
Any other FF would have had a full FMV dedicated to Hydaelyn kicking Zodiark
Was good to me.
The gap between an x.55 patch and the expansion launch is pretty much always 5-6 months (EW was an outlier because of coof). People predicting late August/early September are fricking morons.
Well, they're wrong. DT isn't dropping until December 2024. Summer doesn't happen at the same time everywhere on Earth.
wowfugee shadowbabs can't help but expose themselves
Also, every expansion save for EW has been a late June/early July release.
I just completed EW's alliance raids. What a fricking mess of mechanics. Thank you for reading.
>mess of mechanics
Wut
EW 24 mans are super boring mechanically compared to older expansions
>hype up Garlemald
>it's fricking nothing
>hype up Moon
>its even worse nothing
Defend this.
Garlemald was great, garloidlarper. We didn't need more Garlemald wank. We already got every other expansion of it. Instead, it actually gave us a poignant storyline that made the Garleans sympathetic.
>made the Garleans sympathetic
Speak for yourself, 90 percent of them were still acting like complete shitheels despite getting completely and utterly blown the frick out.
Because they are arrogant shitheels. That's their culture.
But their downfall was still tragic and Garlemald showed their humanity.
No one gives a frick about garlemald other than ARRBlack folk that think their opinions are worthwhile because they played an objectively inferior state of the game.
news alert: angry people in a basketweaving forum take everything out of proportion and act like final fantasy xiv and endwalker raped their cat, stole their turtle, ate their lettuce and burned their house down
Reddit post. Here's your upvote.
>Anon demonstrating that he still thinks the universe revolves around him and his opinion.
FFXIV's narrative is not meant for Sociopaths or Psychopaths. You have to understand a semblance of human empathy to understand this games narrative.
>FFXIV's narrative is not meant for Sociopaths or Psychopaths.
Yeah it's made for narcissists
This is so true especially considering how 90% of the MSQ is NPCS praising the WOL for every little shit he takes in the nearest bushes.
What does the S stand for?
Just look at how much of the community jerks off over the characters that do that, even Venat was just turned into another obsessed WoL worshiper and she gets treated like the best character ever for it
>WOW I'M SO SPECIAL OMGOSH I'M THE BRAVE LITTLE SPARK THE MOST IMPORTANT PERSON IN THE UNIVERSE?? WELL OF COURSE I AM WOW THIS IS THE BEST
>I am silly
>hates venat
post hand and HIV status
I don't hate Venat, I hate the version of Venat that only exists to suck WoL's dick
>WoL is all but directly stated to be the reincarnation of her protege that she cherished dearly (which also explains why he's so fricking awesome at everything)
>Wooooooow why does Venat praise the WoL so much
You absolute fricking baboon
I know what the story's explanation for why everyone worships WoL is, narcissist-kun. It doesn't change anything.
>game gives a perfectly reasonable explanation for why Venat would care for the WoL
>I don't care for the reason it still sucks
Ok
>the person who's been with you the longest, in whose service you did many of your deeds and who is the mentor of your unsundered self has an affinity for you
Whoa.... that's crazy bro.
made me laugh how people were theorizing that she was secretly tempering the wol and then at the beginning of endwalker she just randomly goes "btw im not mind controlling you i just weally wuv u"
>sound of theorycrafters shitting their pants as the ship pulls into old sharlayan's docks
You got BTFO and exposed last thread already, trancer.
WoL offering Meteion redemption is not something a narcissist would do. You're wrong again. Go learn the basic traits of narcissist, cuz you clearly don't know how they behave.
WoL doesn't offer Meteion redemption, Meteion is already redeemed by virtue of having met WoL in the past and being shown the meaning of life by WoL
>omgosh i remember you! you're the most important person ever in the entire universe the only person who ever realized that things get better if you're sad and now we can save the universe!
He's the one because he doesn't give in to hatred and despair, it's a pretty obvious point. The people screeching that ala mhigo and garlemald should have been razed and they don't appreciate the help enough are the objective losers in this scenario, and they're not happy about that fact.
>a fictional hero isnt supposed to be heroic or stoic!!! WAHHH!!!
>western game
>"protagonist" is a raging butthole c**t, sociopath that is pissy that others dont share their wokism.
i swear you westerners have no concept of the hero in fiction anymore
oh and WoL didnt redeem Meteion, she remembered Hermes wish, after Emet/Hythlo showed up, dumbass.
So what, you want it to be like WoW where your character fights 90% of the battles and solves most of the problems but as soon as a cutscene starts everyone pretends you don't exist?
No I want characters who have their own motivations and beliefs beyond circlejerking the player character.
So you want what we already have? Because the only fricking character in the game who's genuinely "My sole purpose is jerking off the player character" is G'raha.
There's no way you're actually this delusional. The main fricking theme of Endwalker is just singing about how you're the most important person in the world to Hydaelyn.
>characters are not allowed to like the player
are you a Western game writer by any chance?
It's not about liking the player character, it's how you're the greatest person in every single character's life, like when you walk onto the scene it's like they just had a religious experience. Venat is the biggest showcase of this because despite being a hero who has traveled the world for thousands of years and met countless people, this one person she spent a few hours with is THE single most profound person she's ever encountered. A few stories while waiting for an elevator and she devotes the next 12,000 years to waiting for a chance to see you again. She could have had a character outside of that, but she didn't. They stole that from her. She's just obsessed with you and everything that happened in the story is ultimately because she's inexplicably in love with you. It's just an attempted repeat of G'raha and Emet-Selch because the playerbase goes fricking nuts when a character salivates for their WoL.
You're just repeating yourself. Yes, I'm aware the story says she's obsessed with you.
I think you just want to be mad because you're literally just dismissing valid arguments and going "NO I DONT CARE ABOUT THAT. I AM JUST GRUMPY."
We'll enjoy Venat in your stead. Your approval isn't necessary.
You didn't make a valid argument. You just repeated that the story says she's obsessed with you. The issue isn't the why, it's that it is. Prior to EW Venat seemed to have motives of her own, ideals of her own, beliefs of her own. Come EW, she does not. It's entirely about YOU and how much she loves YOU and how important YOU are. You try this Azem cope, but you forget that the only connection Venat had with Azem prior to the Elpis scenes was her reaching out to Azem to help with the Hydaelyn summoning and being refused.
>the story is bad because it didn't cater to my headcanon
No, it was explained. You just don't want to accept it. Since you don't actually want to do anything but rage while others try to handhold you towards what should be obvious conclusions, nobody's gonna care about what you have to say.
Sneed.
>OH SO YOU THINK VENAT REVOLVING HER ENTIRE WORLD AROUND YOU INSTEAD OF HAVING HER OWN MOTIVES AND BELIEFS IS A PROBLEM HUH
>WELL SOMEHOW YOU DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THE STORY EXPLAINED THAT SHE REVOLVES HER ENTIRE WORLD AROUND YOU
>LOL BET YOU FEEL STUPID NOW
>this guy and his dumb fanfiction that he insists on shoving into everyone's faces again
Change the channel.
ZODIARK
TRANCE
>I thought Venat was a more interesting character when she wasn't just obsessed with WoL, I'm disappointed that she had depth and agency robbed from her to appeal to narcissists.
>OKAY TRANCER
Just go back to the official forums.
I need a honest, genuine qrd.
zodiark trance is an excerpt from a fanmade alternate ending comic of endwalker, where the WoL 'awakens' the fragments of Azem within him and takes the side of the ascians, seeing Hydaelyn as the enemy
He confronts her like we do at the Mothercrystal, but this time uses the power of Zodiark to defeat her, the same method that summoners in canon use the power of bahamut and phoenix and other primals
there is an entire minor subculture around this line of thought (trancers) and they have a discord and they routinely stir shit up in ffxiv related channels and comment sections, including here on Ganker
Autism. Pure unfiltered autism by people who are not better than shippers.
I like how this meme became the cope of anyone having a meltie because someone thought endwalker was mid
and it was mid.
Endwalker (6.0) was better than Shadowbringers (5.0)
Stormblood(4.0) was better than Endwalker(6.0)
EW jobs are objectively better than SB.
RPR is cooler than the SB jobs.
but no the jobs played better in stormblood
Did they really? Most just had filler abilities and button bloat with useless abilities.
Eh, only Azim Steppe was really worthwhile.
I need a strawman to deflect any criticism towards my sub fee game. WowBlack folk, Barry, trancers, they all serve the same means in the end.
>AIIEEE ZODIARK SAMA THEY SEE ME AIIIEEEE!!!
>WE CAN'T RAID AIIEEEEE
Why are you Zodiark Trance posting at me? I said 6.0 is better than 5.0. With higher highs, some lower lows and also some of the same pitfalls, plot conveniences that get handwaved, etc. And probably less egregious time travel mechanics if you actually spend a moment thinking about 5.0's time travel. (You went back to Elpis, convinced Venat to repeat what had transpired once before and in doing so kept the timeline intact. Compared to G'raha's changing the timeline and going "oop it appears I wasn't erased I guess I carved myself a spot on this new block of history xd")
In the end, I loved both base expansion stories, but ShB doesn't exactly have a dearth of people extolling its virtues.
Venat's character consisted of a small handful of sentences which people seem to have a hard time grasping are not actually overwritten by anything shown or said in Endwalker since a character can have multiple motivations
I believe Endwalker did a more than fair job of establishing Venat's motivations on everything stand perfectly without the WoL without a factor, same as Emet-Selch loathes Hydaelyn for the sundering with or without it being for the best
>which people seem to have a hard time grasping are not actually overwritten by anything shown or said in Endwalker since a character can have multiple motivations
Oh no. You're introducing nuance to him now. You can't do that. That won't jive with his fanfiction version of events.
I personally cannot grasp the logical disconnect needed to come to the conclusion of "X was ruined by Endwalker" or "X was retconned by Endwalker" and I don't think it's ever been more than a shitpost
That's the problem. A shitpost repeated often enough becomes a meme that people will regurgitate at face value without thinking about it themselves.
At this point, a lot of the big critique levelled at Endwalker is just that: repeated, regurgitated, chewed to mush memes that people mindlessly repeat.
I think these people will keep doing it well into Dawntrail and they'll get worse and worse about it the more and more irrelevant EW is to the current expac
It's hard to tell how consensus will swing, to be honest.
Normally, I'd say people will warm to Endwalker and forget its flaws and just focus on its highs like they do Shadowbringers now.
But Shadowbringers had Bozja so less crying about "no content wuh", and it also had the wowfugee exodus to keep the XIV community busy, pretending to be good hosts.
The community consensus on an expansion is at least partially influenced by the gameplay and of course the post-expansion MSQ, and the reception there is poor. The post-expansion MSQ kind of deserves it since it's 2 patches worth of story dragged out over 5.
So who knows where it'll go.
>that one person she met for a few hours
Ah so you've chosen to ignore the WoL being the reincarnation of Azem to continue being an autist. Cool.
Ah so you've chosen to ignore the recurring theme in the story that a reincarnation of a soul is not the same as the original person, as well as the fact that Venat's connection to Azem was only included in the Elpis scenes to further drive home the WoL obsession they decided to write in for narcissists who just want stories to revolve around themselves.
The story making that point and a character within that story potentially having their judgement clouded by their own emotions and thoughts regarding the situation are two separate things.
>this one person she spent a few hours with is THE single most profound person she's ever encountered.
This time traveler from millennia into the future that just told you everything that's going to happen if you follow his advice is kind of a big deal, yeah.
And you think Hydaelyn's only purpose in life is to sing your praises? Not to try to save the universe?Not to try to stop Meteion? Not to try and safeguard the star as best she can with the information she has?
Bro I too wish Venat came to us and acted all snooty and b***hy like muh western stronk womyn. Frick being respectable, likeable, competent. She just needs to snarl at me for being in her presence. That's way better.
Unironically yes
lmao
Whats so funny? Sociopaths and Psychopaths are very common on this website, and modern society favors them as well. There are very many successful sociopaths in society today.
You're funny. I'm not elaborating.
The writing is just pretentious square enix garbage like every other game they've made in the past 15 years.
The writing is below even Kingdom Hearts, but not kingdom hearts II.
>he got filtered by Kingdom Kino 2
brainlets like you don’t even realize 2 had some of the most thoughtful, soulful storytelling in the entire franchise
as opposed to edgy vapid piss and woke trash that fills western titles? you think those are any better? I bet you support Diaperheads dont you.
I don't play that shit either.
But god damn SE flaunts around like its writing the next Shakespeare then give us corny garbage like 6.1-6.5.
I liked the part when the poo dragon talked about being nonbinary
>but dragons were al-
shut up they drew attention to it for a reason.
Is there any fricking website where i can sort shit by item level?
Which Katana has the longest handle?
And no, that DRK weapon doesn't count.
>DRK makes a better tank than WAR
>DRK makes a better samurai than SAM
>DRK makes a better pet job than SMN
how does he keep getting away with it
Shadowbringers
>Ran'jit appears and he Zenoses you because... because he just can
>He also has a pet dragon because it's Gukumatz he ain't gotta explain shit
>Do chores in Il Mheg lol
>Oh, you just got drowned, how fortunate that you got a blessing in Stormblood that negates that and you're totally safe
>Let's go to Rak'tika
>Meaningless conflict between two factions who love the darkness more, one of which decides to ally with the guys who cuddle up to Sin Eaters
>Y'shtola "dies" lmao
>Y'shtola gets summoned back/reconstituted by Emet-Selch lmao
>Trolley autism
>Big fight scene between Thancred and Ran'jit where it looks like Thancred dies
>Lol jk he's fine
>You bring up Thancred to Minfilia and she just nods
>OH NO MEOL IS SIN EATER GREEN AND VAUTHRY IS A LIGHTWARDEN WHO'D HAVE THOUGHT
>Emet-Selch just put Lightwarden juice in an unborn baby's body because he can somehow
>Everything about Vauthry
>Everything about the Tempest pre-Amaurot
>"btw hero the basement of the crystal tower is a bit crazy and OH FRICK IT TURNS THAT A CONSTRUCT THAT CAN MANIPULATE TIME BROKE EVER SINCE THE TOWER ARRIVED ON THE FIRST AND HAS BEEN GOING HAYWIRE EVER SINCE LUCKILY IT HASNT DONE ANYTHING IN THE MANY LONG YEARS IT'S BEEN LOOPY"
>"We successfully averted the timeline that brought me into existence so by all means I should disappear but it seems I carved out my own spot in history just because lmao"
>Trolley autism
You don't have a soul.
Oh, this is the part where we say something that was godawful was good because le memes.
I guess since everyone hates the Loporrits showing up right after Zodiark and it's memed, that means it's actually good as well.
You can tell who doesn't appreciate worldbuilding and character development and just wants to get to the next le epick fight.
I would appreciate it more if the world building wasnt so sleep inducing.
>call xiv player narcissists
>they explode
Literally proving it right lmfao
I mean thats the entire SE shtick isn't pretentious slop that only narcisists think are good. Its been their entire identity since Advent Children.
>say dumb shit
>get called dumb
shocker
"u mad"
"frick off"
"u proved me right lmfao"
annoying little brother lmfao
Nobody has ever convinced anyone ever of doing these zero reply posts in obvious reference to something but nobody cares enough to confirm. It’s the most b***h made post you can make. Like it’s only use is to falseflag if you want to try this strat
>accuse someone of being a narcissist
>if they refute it, they're narcissists
>they're narcissists either way
You guys really don't know how to logic, huh? Fricking sad clowns.
NOT DO ENOY XIV MISS STAR
WOW BETTER XIV b***h
watching this unfold as the guy that accidentally made the typo has been fun
GIGACHAD ARMOR
BREEDABLE
THE b***h WANTS IT BUT THE DUDE ONLY LIKES REAL MANLY BEARDED wienerS
MANMODEEEEEEEE
>call doomposter shitskin
>he explodes
Literally proving us right lmfao
I love them
You're supposed to.
Now pay up.
sadly that figurine is about par pricing for something with its detail
I liked them later on. Wasn't fond of it when they first showed up. Too much of a tonal whiplash.
But I'm also not such a b***h that it ruined the entire expansion for me.
I was baffled that we ended Zodiark that soon but the Loporrits were nice after how fricking dour things were until then
The story is paced like dee dee mega doo doo but there are some "ok" moments
Heavensward had cooler jobs.
They were so cool the dev team had to assassinate the ishgard jobs to match the boring arr jobs.
in some respects but the execution of almost all jobs was godawful
>bow mage and gun mage
>yugioh the healer
i wish it had gotten the duel disk, could've made for more interesting weapons than the astrolabes
the astrolobes have the only good 'weapon out' animations
>when ur a BLM in cutscenes and ur WoL pulls out his staff and starts wobbling his fingers like an idiot
HW Astro was its worst version
seeing as its getting reworked again, I don't think theres been a good version of astro
The only cool job in HW was Scholar, but it was still shit because healers were forced to meld accuracy just to do any fricking DPS. HW was TRASH.
this
people don't understand the power gap of some jobs back then
yes hw had cooler jobs... BUT not for all jobs
something like drk was very cool but it made mnk and pld obsolete
they had to build upon the other jobs but hey i won't complain about 2 min meta or anything like that because on one part i do think it's healthier for the game but i won't elaborate on it, however i can complain about drk because i wish it was more fun to play and it's my favorite job aside from gnb now but i think there's room for another combo or something
dots never had to be removed and i will again post my copium hopium that dots will come back in dt because there's no limitation to them anymore
It would be very funny to make a class called Viper with a snake in the key art and have zero DoTs in its kit. It's entirely possible with XIV.
That's because dots are frickin gay and add nothing toghe gameplay.
RPR had a dot, so they could still do it.
I get that.
But between having every job play the exact same, and jobs being cool but more unbalanced I'd pick the latter.
meta gays will cry about the meta no matter how much you homogenize.
>MNK and BLM play the exact same
Hellraiser lookin' cat
>that webm
Do modbeasts really…?
yeah i get you, i do understand that there's always b***hing regarding jobs no matter what, apparently most of the changes post sb were thanks to the jp community (in their of they complained about other jobs being better or more fun)
it's a huge risk, i definitely don't think all jobs play the same but they are homogenized in the sense that you have very similar toolkits for roles, however that isn't all bad because it allows the player to just go for whatever pleases them aesthetically
i think there is no longer an issue with meta as long as they playtest the fights properly with different comps, anything can clear but i think the current design choices for the jobs help the raids not because of the way jobs are designed but because of the way raids are designed
2 min makes it so that it's easy to design fights around a timeline of 2-4-6-8-10 up to 20
at the same time, since we have dps checks you obviously want to squeeze the most damage in and avoid a situation like p8s which sure it didn't last long but having that is a problem
overall the only way to make jobs better in the current state of the game would be to possibly add dots and add more combos and avoid very job specific stuff
it's not my job to balance it, if it was my choice you'd only have 5 s tier jobs that are fun and strong, which would be my favorite ones and everything else be ok to bad
wrong image but whatever
what i meant by add dots making the jobs better means that you'll be more engaged with your rotation due to having to keep it up constantly
Why is she strangling the cat? I knew Auri were savages.
so, do we have any new bait or what? this bait is ok but its not bait i'd choose to eat. ya know, you have home cooked food but every now and then you want something fancier?
It looks like you're eating a rock from a distance
I server hopped to see what you were giving away in the PF but was too late, what did you give someone?
a couple harder to get orchestrion rolls, a treasure map, a booby and a rare, authentic cocoli original blue laurel wreath hat
Nice
Good god this thread is a shitshow.
XIV fans have the biggest persecution complex on Ganker.
It's not a mystery that the XIV threads on Ganker that don't get pruned are the ones with a negative OP that talks poorly about the game.
We had a (mostly) nice Venat thread a little while ago.
didn’t you guys just have a dogshit lalafell thread yesterday?
>dogshit Lalafell thread
Yeah dogshit XIV threads are allowed by the mods, what aren't you understanding
That's just because controversial threads get the most traffic in this day and age.
you’re honestly a fricking moron if you defend Elpis tbh
You are a moron if you defend any part of Endwalker, even Garlemald was botched even thought it probably had the most good parts out of the expansion.
I think the story was at its best when it was more grounded, the crisis were limited to a smaller scope and the philosophical themes were more nuanced and less patronizing. I feel Endwalker tried too hard to hammer the same point again and again and it eventually got tiresome and pretentious
Overall it's still better than some of the shit SE has produced the past few years, but considering what I've seen so far of the direction of Dawntrail, I don't see myself subbing again
Today, in the latest of a long series of stupid baits:
>What the frick do you mean people praise the player character who has stopped several world ending events? REEEEEEEEEEEEEE THEY SHOULD JUST IGNORE HIM AND SHITTALK HIM, EVERYONE SHOULD BE TAKING DUMPS ON HIS CEREAL
>"I think characters should exist for reasons besides jacking the player off."
>WOOOOWWWW SO YOU JUST WANT EVERY CHARACTER TO HATE YOU AND TRY TO KILL YOU AND CURSE AND SHIT AND TELL YOU TO FRICK OFF HUH
I fricking love strawmen dude!
>I'm the only one allowed to exxagerate!
>he says as he reductively strawmans every npc in the story just so he has an excuse to get mad and take exception even after several people with a more solid grasp on the story correct him
hue hue
Venat:
>We are the stewards of the star and I worry about it's well being over all.
WoL:
>Hey so I came from the future, bad shit is gonna happen, here let me give you every detail about it.
You:
>WHAT THE FUUUUUUUUUUCK WHY IS SHE LISTENING SHE SHOULD BE TELLING ME TO FRICK OFF
wowfugees who are happy about being pushed into the cuckshed after resolving all of the world's issues just for some named npcs who didn't do shit to take credit in a claymation cutscene where they.... talk.... like... this....
>EXPLAIN AWAY MY FANFICTIIIOOOON!!!
>btw no explanation will ever suffice I'm just here to be assmad rather actually engaging with the argument
Silly.
Personally if some dude from several millenia in the future appeared before me and told me exactly how my society was undone and brought to ruin I would hold them in fairly high regard. Especially if a corny memory wipe plot device was involved that kept me from relying on anyone else.
But that's because you are a legit schizo moron, any healthy person would treat said "time traveler prophet" like the plague, especially when your race is one of demigods capable of creating life from thin air.
>any healthy person would treat said "time traveler prophet" like the plague
So like Emet-Selch did until everything WoL said would happen just went and fricking happened right in front of his eyes?
Emet acted the same way he did as he was portrayed before, he never tried to actively dismiss you even though he had big reasons to do so, hell he should have tried to actively erase you since in his eye you were nothing but a familiar acting quirky and out of line.
>he never tried to actively dismiss you
He literally runs out on you for a good long while saying he never wants to see you until either Hythlodaeus or his best sense get the best of him and he decides to AT LEAST check if you might be onto something.
He was in denial, anon.
Yeah. So like that anon said, treating WoL like the plague, until he calmed down and decided to at least test it and whoops, turns out it was true and you need to listen to the goddamn time traveler.
>everything guy says happened to the letter
>woooooooooooow I still don't believe this hocus pocus
At that point you're the moron.
>who's da bwave widdle spawk? you are! you are!
>angrily vagueposting because he got btfo (again)
Kek.
>angrily vagueposting because he got btfo (again)
Kek.
Nikke unironically has a better narrative than XIV.
Library of Ruina did endwalker better than Endwalker.
So I take it Blizzcon wasn't that great if all the WoW players are this upset.
It’s either this or pretend that they didn’t spend years shitting on Chris Metzen’s awful writing and are excited for 3 expansions worth of story.
>or pretend that they didn’t spend years shitting on Chris Metzen’s awful writing and are excited for 3 expansions worth of story.
they're already doing that
next they'll pretend they didn't hate ghostcrawler back in the olden days
Frontline and CC jobs are objectively better than PvE jobs
>all they had to do to make pvp fun was make the classes actually interesting and unique unlike pve
Frickin monkey’s paw man
If PvE jobs were like they were in PvP, people would be raging about getting... what... 4 buttons to click and one of them is several abilities consolidated into one.
Whinging about the game being simple and braindead would reach critical mass.
At this point abilities are so bland and boring I'll take asshomosexuals abilities.
Stop waiting at the finish-line you homosexuals, I can't win the Fall Guys Collab!
Kek XIV players would completely fold when dealing with any actual bad sportsmanship in games
It's fine as long as there isn't only one spot left. Stop wasting my fricking time dabbing on these losers and end this shit so I can try to outplay homosexual botters in the final round already, frick off.
"I'm gonna judge a person on it's entirety thanks to the way they behave on an online mini game"
These people are terminally online, they really do believe XIV is the most "hecking wholesome community" and that everyone should be singing Kumbajah while holding hands.
>and that everyone should be singing Kumbajah while holding hands.
You guys don't hold hands and sing here?
erozea get chubby and let me grab your belly
Auron looking motherfricker
Every lalafell that posts in these threads has proven to me that they have excellent taste, very nice
>caring about Fall Troons past day 1
i got enough currency to buy the framer kits and dipped
How would you fix tanks
I'd add a tank specific emote named "git gud".
Agro management, DPS stance, more combos, more damage going out, parry mechanics idk tanking ducking sucks and irs the designated moron role funnily enough.
>DPS stance
gay. frick stance dancing
if you're gonna do dps anything for tanks, just give them a whole dedicated optional dps role. same for some healers
I still think the moron role is dps
It's definitely tank. Healer is the gay role.
Whats so hard about dps.
You press your buttons in order, and maybe you get to jiggle left and right or click true north.
By that logic tank is still a moron role since you press even less buttons. I guess in the end all the jobs are designed for morons in mind.
>dps responsibility throughout anabaseios
>stack with your partner
>stretch a tether for the first phase of p12s p1
that's it
>tank responsibility throughout anabaseios
>mitigation (aoe or tb) which is reactive
>standing in the correct spot of a jank tankbuster
>remind the dps they need to stack with you
>keep any party member alive if they're low on hp and the healer is neglecting them
>point the boss towards the right direction for p11s and p9s
>allow everyone to have fun by doing correct tank swaps
I would say the entirity of pandemonium was harder on Tanks and especially healers than dips.
I'd also say that proper mitigation planning (the first time anyway) is harder and more engaging than the universal dps strat of
>build gauge
>wait for 2 minutes
>spend
it is
they get to do nothing during a savage raid and they still b***h about it and they still parse green
>dps dies
>no one, not even yoship cares because damage checks are a myth now
>tank dies
>run ends
you really want the moron on the tank? I'd prefer to have him on the phys range (dancer)
You have to be some kind of moron to die as a tank.
>Tank is the moron role
>In the expansion with DSR
If having to actually try to maintain enmity over your more ambitious DPS was a thing in this game, that would help a lot. As things stand you basically turn on tank stance and lightly cough and the enemy is glued to you like epoxy from the first second. But that's a 1.0/FFXI style of tank, where you use job abilities to maintain threat in a slower fight so it works well. I don't think modern XIV can do it so RIP to tanks. It's why I don't bother using mine much despite instant queues, shit is unengaging.
I do not think actually having to try to keep emity has ever been a thing tanks did in this game.
You'd do your enmity combo like once.
You could pull enmity in 1.0 if you were a BLM that decided to pop off too quickly in Ifrit, but that basically died with the WoWification of the gameplay in ARR and beyond.
BLMs frequently pulled aggro off tanks all the way up through SB, it's why Diversion became such a meme.
I still remember ripping enmity from bad tanks in SB and hw by not using my enmity reduction button. I would also shirk butthole dpd that did the same thing to me when I tanked.
Stance dancing was pretty vital for tanks prior to the enmity changes, so it wasn't impossible for a tank to lose enmity on their enemies if they didn't keep swapping between their DPS and tank stances.
>I didn't pay attention to the nuance of the story: the post.
It's a masterpiece in mmorpg standards.
I think I like this over the random kill 10 bears because pedro needs to make ribs for the party at the pub.
I like having an rpg in my mmo
>kill 10 bears because pedro needs to make ribs for the party at the pub.
You mean kill 10 bears because you need the hide to make a purse for Pedro's boyfriend Jose?
>resub after not having played the game for years
>totally forgot how to play my class
>start off easy, do some PotD to get used to low levels
>feeling more comfortable, start doing roulette
>going well for a few days, think I'm getting the hang of things again
>get put into Doma Castle as healer
>tank does big pull, can't keep up, immediate party wipe
>apologize, we try again
>tank does half the pull
>frick up my buttons, party wipes again
>close the game out of sheer embarrassment
how do i come back from this
Let me groom you into becoming a proper player once again, i'll take care of you, anon <3.
You keep trying? Don't worry, anon. You can only get better by trying.
Nothing to be ashamed of.
i can assure you that nobody except you cared about those wipes so just keep trying and ask for any advice if necessary
You should never have to sit through hours of pure tedium for a couple moments of greatness and the fact this is becoming more and more of a norm is frightening. A story should be good from start to finish, it's fine for long stories to have downtimes or parts that aren't all that interesting provided they serve some function within the narrative, but having even 30% of your work be pure worthless word salad is unacceptable, no matter how great the payoff or conclusion.
They should review the early expansions again and cut out some of the fluff quests at this point.
Also, I think they should start thinking about a way to bring new players to the last expansions quicker
>and the fact this is becoming more and more of a norm is frightening.
Are you serious? Most old stories are exactly like that, often even to bigger degrees than what XIV is.
its over
>Too much Water
IGN will never live that one down.
Which is funny because it’s actually a reasonable complain in context. There IS to much water traveling in that game
Dog.
Yjk
Looks extraordinarily HD
Looks better than any dogs in the game
Halfway there
tfw no thighlander gf to help do shared fates with
Why do you play female chatacters Ganker?
because they told me i could be whatever i wanted. so i became cute
For pussy.
Rank from least to most obnoxious:
>WoWfugees
>Trancers
>Lalafell avatargays
>Barry
>XI fanboys
>"muh EB..." ERPrs
>people who unironically fall for grifters on Youtube/Twitch
beeeeeeeg mad