Why do people think that the Ancients ruined the story?
Unironically before them this story was full of the most generic fantasy tropes that could have been thought of.
Church bad and dragons and rebelling against evil empires was not that interesting let's be honest.
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>blabla words words words
Literally NOBODY CARES!
Just play the game to goon off with the other trannies and loser virgins.
Nobody actually fricking CARES about the story you homosexual Black person. They just download mare and jerk off. It's all a smokescreen. There's the big secret for you which nobody else will admit openly.
Now erp with everyone else.
>reddit spacing
>implying reddit spacing is real
>homosexual Black person
Redddit
>>>/vg/
>Microsoft fired the dangerhairs
Holy fricking WOW IS BACK, BABY
>implying le ancient forerunner civilization that created everything isn't just as generic
Dwemer
Forerunners
Rakkatans/Celestials
Valar and Maiar
Ancient aliens
God
Liking XIV ancients is a terminal case of what I like to call Marvelbrain, where one is consumed by the desire to constantly consume. Everything needs a full explanation in an unnecessary spin-off or constant reference of interconnectivity that was never implied previously.
So what you wanted more of the boring and tired Garlemald conflict?
The one that had already gotten old by Stormblood?
People laughed their asses off at how bad the writing was in 4.4 when Emet said Ascians created the Empire. No one really gave a shit because the story was so predictable at that point. Which is funny because now people praise the exact same bad writing.
People were more critical back in Stormblood. Something happened during Shadowbringers with a huge influx of newtards high on coolaid that would lash out over any criticism. Thankfully that's began to change again and we're allowed to point out how moronic the writing is as a whole.
The writing in this game has never risen above mediocre. Average writing is being generous.
Braindead troons who saw the baby's first "deep" story from a streamer and think it's a masterpiece.
>irrelevant npc dies in the first hour
>WELCOME TO SHADOWBRINGERS b***h XDDD NOT YOUR AVERAGE XIV EXPANSION THIS ONE IS HELLA DARK AND MATURE XDDD
This shit did irreversible damage to the game and its fanbase.
I was shilled into Shadowbringers by a friend who literally described that scene as something out of Saya no Uta so I thought it was gonna be some freaky shit and I laughed out loud when I reached that part.
>everything that happened in the lore is because of a little anime bird girl who got depression and entered her doomer emo phase
lmfao Black folk take this shit seriously
Still better than Lavos at the center of the earth GET FRICKED NOISEgayS GET FRICKED GET FRICKED GET FRICKED
Fighting a giant parasitical space alien would have been infinitely cooler than some fart sniffing homosexual story about "DON'T LOSE HOPE!!!" with a gay ass anime bird.
what do you mean? didn't you like the yet-another-fakeout-scion-death?
>uh duh but uh where did that space alien come from um we need to have continuous power expansion
>that is a story for another time 🙂
>the final days, how did that happen? even ascians have no idea or memory of it
>actually it was ascian who caused it, a depressed one
KINO!
>Actually Emet-Selch knew but he got owned by convenient memory deletion machine!
>Hydaelyn also knew but she decided to not tell anyone because uhhhh Yoshi came up with an excuse about the timeline in a developer Q&A!
Endwalker was a fricking joke.
Hmmmmmmmm CHUD!! Don't lose hope is a proper way to get on this topic especially after covid XD!
People needed hope and that's what endwalker brought us, you would never understand
it's even funnier if you consider:
>little anime bird caused mass extincion because her depressed groomer ordered her to find the meaning of life.
People will try to convince you that this is deep symbolism and not the cliche Hope Vs Despair that has been done 1000 times in the past already.
This. Everyone knows the story is shit and the gameplay is dire. That's why people only play to goon off in Limsa/Ul'dah with the other terminally online sex-perverts.
It's final Fantasy anon.... Almost all games use the Ancient civ plot device
That's my point, it's generic and nothing special. Routine for FF, basically.
XIV itself already had an ancient civilization plot with the Allagans, all the Ancients are is... more ancienter.
I do think that having everything come from them removes all the of the mystique of the world though, it's way more boring knowing that the origin of every cool monster and concept in the game is "these old dudes made it with their magic that can make anything"
Just makes everything feel so small
Bro, that role is fulfilled by the Allagans. The Ancients occupy a much different role.
The ancients are the exact same role on the next degree.
>who created this? Allagans
>who created Allagans? Ascians
>who created Ascians? Ancients
>who created Ancients? ...
It's wise for XIV to not continuously chase this thread and it was a mistake to chase it as far as it did
That is nowhere near how it works and you are simply overwager to boil shit down.
The Ancients aren't even advanced. They are just a society of gods.
>gods aren't advanced beings
ESL moment
Gods? That's just another term for jobber which every ancient is.
Now I know you are trolling.
Odin has one eye. We have been researching turning visual feed from cameras into interpretable brainwaves. Odin is not advanced, because he never replaced his eye. Perhaps it is well within his power to fabricate a new one, but he would not do so by unravelling the mysteries of creation. He would snap his fingers.
>advanced means circuits and electricity and robot limbs
ESL moment. God's are advanced to mortals, they're above them by definition of being a god. That does not mean they have to lack humanization, as multiple myths across the globe depict this.
You are a DBZ fan and it shows. Power levels are not the definition of advancement. Ancient society was enlightened, not advanced. Ancients are not more advanced than humanity because they were just fricking born like that. When they take to the stars and make a stellar empire you can call them advanced. Right now, they are just gods.
oh maybe he just cannot and the lacking eye is a requirement
The Ancients had to thoroughly understand and imagine every aspect of their concepts. Also why'd you go for Odin instead of a god like Hephaestus who invented robots?
Read some myths dumbfrick, almost every single practical invention ever was invented by a god.
they're pretty advanced they just don't use the technology they do have for the most part because they don't need it, they're post-scarcity under their own power
think of hermes building kairos as a mind-wiping machine in his spare time or emet-selch having the technological wherewithal to get allagan and garlemald started
And the Allagans were propped up by ascian guidance.
It was the way they butchered the ancients that ruined the story. You go through the entire Shadowbringers story learning how they sacrificed their whole species to save the planet and the survivors are so dedicated to save their race that they destroy multiple worlds. Huge stakes at play, you are facing one of the strongest convocation members after to decide the fate of the world and it's end in a climatic battle where he finally accepts your point of view and has just a wish to remember that they existed and saved the planet.
Then shitwalker happened and suddenly everyone can just revive it everyone for no reason, you have time 2 different time travel methods because they wrote themselves into a corner with the crystal exarch story, they make it so only elidibus can even take you there with that specific flower but somehow later you can just summon everyone with your crystal lol. What was the point there if you could just revive Emet in the first place. Whoever wrote endwalker should seriously consider killing himself. There was no point for anything they did in Shadowbringers if you can just asspull your way because of power of friendship.
>ignores every limitation and justification for the exceptions that the game throws at you
Cutscene skipper.
Not an argument.
Correct, there is no argument when you're ignoring core plot elements.
I've never seen any of you trannies debunk this, all you do is reply "cutscene skipper". There's no way to justify any of this bullshit without asspulls or retcons. The writing in shitwalker is objectively weak.
that anon skipped the argument the same way (You) skipped cutscenes...
poetry
I didn't skip anything, I saw the exact bullshit justifications they had for the story. Just because you know how and why they did it doesn't stop making it trash writing. They somehow managed to make it even worse in post msq quests.
Endwalker shills unironically believe that Dynamis is good writing rather than a blatant asspull.
Endcucker was simply fricking bad writing. Everything that they did right in Shadowbringers was trivalized, walked back on, and to make it worse the stakes were increased to (you could also say "left at") cosmological levels without being corrected. In fact, the writing in Endcucker was so bad that I don't even want to fricking buy Dawntrail at this point. I don't see a single thing they could do to unfrick this story. They hit a hail mary pass with Shadowbringers and fumbled the ball at the 1 yard line with Endcucker because ?????.
Problem wasnt the ancients its that they raped them fully in one expansion as garlemald
Thoughts on Sena Bryer?
I thought she was cute until I learned he was a transbian.
I'm sure it will pop before Dawntrail comes out...
Shame they dont bother put the bots for msq patches
I'll queue it with you if you're EU, play a cute female character and like to erp.
I tried to queue for Eureka Orthos to level my last remaining alts and get it over with. It's completely dead content, I guess I should have done it in 6.3.5.
>Why do people think that the Ancients ruined the story?
I've never heard anyone in game say this. If by "people" you're referring to Ganker or Reddit you have to remember they're not people.
ShB's ancients design had some eerie vibes and mystery
EW's ancients were just giant hyurs
That's what I disliked
God this.
Elpis should have just been a long cutscene that we couldnt interact with too not a whole ass zone
ancients were usual final fantasy shit
I have problem with them forcing ascians into every world building story, instead of just letting humans to frick up world on their own
ancients atm are as repetitive content as allagans and the later has been memed to death.
I can't wait to see them in later expansions and have some kind of iconic allagan leader line like
"forgive us, for we were mistaken" like Emet.
Emet never apologized though, he was right all along, he just accepted defeat and decided to believe in WoL and Azem through him.
starting UWU soon
which is the most fun out of SAM/MNK/DRG/SMN?
You picked the absolute worst jobs to prog old content. DRG feels the least bad at 70 synced.
I'm bored of healing, never liked tanking, and much as I love BLM I'm not taking it into a lv70 ultimate. pRanged spot is taken so that leaves me with what, RDM and NIN?
RDM is highly invaluable for ult prog and it's basically complete at 70 without worrying about spellspeed, but you will miss the extra combo casts added since. NIN is also really good, you just have to get used to no hyosho ranryu in your burst, but in some ways that's better because now you don't need to worry about the biggest DPS nuke not direct-hit critting and otherwise being useless.
Monk. SAM is a little easier and more high numbers, DRG is kinda good but in the shitpit at the moment, and SMN is braindead massive numbers once every minute in between "press 1 2 and 3 for filler abilities".
I had a lot of fun as Ninja
If you're dead set on not playing that then you'll probably have fun with Monk
Is there a reason why solo duties don't let you choose difficulties at the very start?
I want to just do them on very easy mode but it's too hard to actually fail on the first go so i jusy end up completing them on normal.
I'm revisiting the HQ MSQ with NG+. It's been 8 years, will my opinion change? Or will I still consider it one of the better expansion stories?
>Get to the high level floors of Heaven on High for the one millionth time, to the point that I have +99/+99 aetherpool
>Despite being aetherpool capped enemies are still dmg sponges in the 50+ range but at least I can reasonably get through the floors in time
>Game suddenly loses connection to server (despite my internet being perfect and never disconnecting anywhere else in the game)
>Counts as a KO and I have to start all over again
Yep I'm thinking I'm done with deep dungeons. Who is this garbage made for? Who enjoys this shit? Whos idea was it to design it this way, that you lose all your progress if you disconnect ONCE with no grace period to login again before being booted from the dungeon?
The best part anon? They're going to add even MORE deep dungeons in Dawntrail. Despite the latest, Eureka Orthos, being a complete flop with virtually nobody doing it. The devs can see the abysmal participation rate and STILL think that it's worth adding more. Because they refuse to do anything new and creative and just repeat the same shit we've been getting since ARR, even if literally NOBODY wants it.
A DD with lost actions instead of pomanders would be neat for a change, but EO proved it will always be the same pomanders.
lost actions with rogue-like builds making each attempt different as long as you go with different build would be kino....
The other DDs have more participation because they are reliable ways to level up jobs. EO however is dogshit for farming XP so no one does it.
It puts into perspective the absolute state of EW how the best levelling method from 81 to 90 is content from the previous expansion (or spamming dungeons if your queues are fast).
>XIV players don't care about content if it doesn't offer a braindead way to level jobs
This reflects more on the type of people who idle more than the content itself tbh.
The people I know who still play just idle in Limsa and try to chat people up so they can goon off on Discord with them. They already cleared this tier and did Ultimate and are simply waiting for raids next expansion. They skip cutscenes and don't care about the story and couldn't tell you who anyone is or what is even going on.
When I ask them why they still login instead of playing anything else their answer is always "All my friends are here and I don't want to miss out." Miss out on what I ask? "Limsa things." The best explanation for that I could get was some kind of erp shit. It dawned on me that there are only two groups of people who play FFXIV now. The storygays who only play sometimes and only dabble in savage content in pf sometimes but otherwise don't really care and then frick off to do other stuff. And the degenerate raiders who obsessively who are in this game 24/7 and ironically spend 95% of said playtime doing erp shit instead of actually playing.
Half the 24/7 Limsa bawds though havent done savage at all. My friend legit created the Mare Limsa syncshell in Louisoix and hasn't gone past first tier savage with gray logs. He is terminally online in Limsa doing god knows what with the other freaks there, they also have a discord, and half of them are worse than casual. I joined voice call once with him and some of his bawds and one of them didn't have a single weaponskill or ogcd skill on his hotbar. It was just macros for emotes and other random bullshit. I laughed so hard when I saw that. Also his character was modded with huge breasts and ass to the point of looking like something out of second life.
Yeah of course many morons """play""" solely to erp because that's a huge part of what this game is now. I just find it humorous that most raidgays who stick around when the tier is long over all turn out to be degenerate homosexuals because they have sunk cost fallacy and nothing else to do so they inevitably fall into gooning off with the other freaks who get cold sweats anytime they log out instead of just being normal people and playing something else in their down time. Many such cases. The only thing separating them from the casual Limsa gooners is that their parses are shinier. Otherwise they're one and the same.
Same issue with Rival Wings. It's completely dead outside of mogtome events because the devs for some unknown reason REFUSE to add it to the roulette. They even updated it in Endwalker post patches (to accomadate the 6.2 pvp gameplay revamp), then proceeded to abandon it again since they still didn't put it on the roulette. Yoshi claims he gets feedback solely from player statistics, yet they can SEE that Rival Wings is fricking dead through said statistics, but they somehow think it's fricking fine. The devs are just fricked in the head and just mindlessly follow the Formula(tm) and put zero actual thought into the game past that. When this game innevitably goes under, (after years of ignoring any and all player feedback), they will be shocked, SHOCKED, and won't understand why the game died.
The game won't go under and I'll tell you why: social scene and erp. Mods like Mare are doing the heavy lifting to keep people playing. For many this shit game is their only game and even their entire life. Second Life 2.0.
Rival wings is complete fricking trash
>I use oppressors on players the post
I like that every DD plays differently, they just didn't hit the mark with EO this time. It feels like they wanted everyone to try for the solo achievement this time around since everything hits like a wet noodle (outside of oneshot AOEs of course) and clearing is more about managing time since every is tanking as shit from the get go. Mechanically it definitely is more interesting than the other 2 but literally once you know what every mob does it's pretty impossible to die.
I wish DD were closer to Torghast because they utterly shit as they are now. I know it'd never work though because the system is so rigid in how stale it is that any attempt to change would break the game.
same but with Potd floor 152
never tried it again... because of sheer anger
If it makes you feel better I stepped into 181 and my internet started doing maintenance the millisecond the instance loaded
Same thing happened in HoH when I was in the 90s because of them doing maintenance
FFXIV's gameplay just doesn't work for this kind of dungeon-diving content. If Souls games had a deep dungeon-style content it would be amazing. FFXIV's combat just isn't good enough to justify an entire form of content centred around the combat that isn't raiding.
>Souls games had a deep dungeon-style content it would be amazing
THEY'RE CALLED CHALICE DUNGEONS AND THEY SUCKED DICK
t. filtered by spiders and sub 50 vig
chalice dungeons were great
I platinumed the game, b***h. I did it just for the stupid kill on Queen Yarny. Very glad that shit never returned in any fromsoft game.
>abloobloo i barely got the platinum that's piss easy to obtain like the rest of souls platinums and still seethe about it
imagine being filtered by STORY dungeons, not even frc depth 5
you being trash at the game doesn't mean chalices weren't great and that everyone who didn't suck at the game didn't like them
>he didn't get plat in two weeks
NGMI, OH was way better than any troonlice cum dungeon.
Worked amazingly for WoW because the combat there is phenomenal. I mean sure Torghast had other problems like the fact it ended up as forced content people got sick of and the lack of variety in scenery. The core however showed it works amazingly. Just a shame that Blizzard devs are fricking cowards and didn't reimplement it in some other way or keep it as a core feature to build on with new rewards and locales and powers.
It can work but not with the devs style and philosophy
>Shadowbringers
REE WHERE'S THE DEEP DUNGEON THIS FRICKING SUCKS THERE'S NO CHALLENGE I WANT THE COOL SOLO TITLE THIS IS BULLSHIT BOZJA HAS SO MANY ISSUES AND ITS NOT GOOD LIKE EUREKA
>Endwalker
REE EUREKA ORTHOS SUCKS THEY CHANGED UP THE FORMULA FROM THE PREVIOUS DUNGEON AND ADDED MECHANICS AS OPPOSED TO JUST MOBS AND BOSSES THAT AUTO YOU ENDLESSLY THIS SUCKS I WANT BOZJA BACK
>Dawntrail
REE ANOTHER FRICKING DEEP DUNGEON AND EXPLORATION ZONE SQUARE IS CREATIVELY BANKRUPT
The one time FFXIV doesn't try to rip off an older game in the series and do its own thing and the best it can come up with is a depressed e-girl. Couldn't make this shit up. Absolutely creatively bankrupt.
Also reminder that Soken rips off other songs as well.
Wasn't HW pretty original?
>The one time FFXIV doesn't try to rip off an older game in the series and do its own thing and the best it can come up with is a depressed e-girl. Couldn't make this shit up. Absolutely creatively bankrupt.
I am convinced Ishikawa was walking in the park one day, saw a blue bird and thought to herself "wouldn't it be a crazy twist if the big bad was actually a little bird girl? That would be so subversive, nobody would ever see that coming! (and she'd be so cute too)" and then Yoshi and the higher ups thought about all the cute merch they could make out of her. And that's the real reason Meteion was written.
I wish there was meteion merch. She's as forgotten as Fordola by this point.
>Fordola
You take my wife's name out of your mouth, you don't deserve to call her by name, only by her nickname, the Endwalker!
Ok but why did they do Arenvald dirty like that?
>we want to show that the telophoroi (lol that this was actually a thing) are SERIOUS and mean BUSINESS
>but we don't want to kill anyone so uh um...*reaches into bowl with list of random non-scion NPC names*...Arenvald...*reaches into bowl with lost of random non-lethal injuries*...paraplegic. Arenvald is hurt and can't use his legs, yeah, that'll show them not to mess with the telophoroi!
>non-scion NPC names
Bruh, you just did him even dirtier than Square did.
Let's be real, if you aren't the twins, Thancred, Urianger, Yshtola, Estinien, Graha, or Tataru you aren't a real scion since SHB.
Then why did they finally voiced Hoary Boulder in EW?
Did any of the B-listers go to Tural post-6.0? Maybe one of them will finally get to do something more relevant in the MSQ than talk about roegadyn sandwiches or eat F'lhaminn's cookies.
I was disappointed we never got to see Arenvald piloting a mech,
Don't forget
>Arenchad with wiafu tries to fight Lunar Primal
>Paralyzed Arenchad
>Forgotten For-doll-a
>What's Lunar primals? Regular Primals but mass produced(?)
>Bahamut
>Powerful enough to make everyone shit their pants while watching him destroy everything on his path
>Lunar Bahamut
>Just a last boss in the final ShB dungeon, lmao kekw omegalul
time travel and memory wipe are the worst story telling gimmicks
Why would a fake bahamut surpass the original when it was just cooked up by a few hundred captive dragons?
Like I understand the whole concept was shit but wouldn't it be more reasonable to point out how silly it is that Nidhogg was a more tangible threat than Bahamut was in Coils
not surpass the original but at least make it be a terrifying thread. at this point it was a joke
not mass produced by summoned on repeat, got it. sorry I forgot the details on these lunar shit because it died on arrival
They aren't even mass produced, they are literally just primals through forced summoning. It's the complete dumbest shit. You don't have 100 lunar ifrits, you have one that can be resummomed....JUST LIKE HOW IT ALREADY WAS
The Telophoroi were literally just Zenos and Fandaniel but the writing acted like they were this huge organization. It was dumb.
Yeah that was odd. I figured the group would have some mini villains along the way, but.. nope.
I think they were counting the tempered soldiers too but there was probably more cut when they axed the Garlemald expansion.
I'm sure danny had some black mask chumps working for him too. Its not like they had anything better to do.
Yeah that's the problem, you could barely even count Zenos as part of it as well. It's like Fandaniel saying more will come, even if it's just black masks, but thats all wrapped up the very next patch as nothing major. My guess is it was done before Meteion was finalized, or typical lack of communication between writers and departments in CBU3.
No she just read Twitter and share the same thought happa devs have about twitter
She's literally just the Twitter mascot anon
EW is just "what if the ancients accidentally made a universal social media website and forgot to moderate it"
When I first saw the bird in Elpis I had this awful thought in the back of my head.
>Oh God she's going to be the villain isn't she? Why else would this random out of place character suddenly appear out of the blue? Literaly.
There was no logical basing for that thought of course. It was just a gut feeling. One I tried to ignore because surely that couldn't be the case right? Absolutely nothing up to this point would have suggested that she was the baddie.
How wrong I was. I actually had to take a break when she unsurprisingly turned evil and everything fell into place during her heel turn and Hermes randomly siding with her. Endwalker never really got much better after that.
>There was no logical basing for that thought of course. It was just a gut feeling.
Well if you have good ears you can tell the voice after killing Zodiark isn't Venat, and Meteion is introduced right after.
is there anything more generic than an advanced civilization from a bygone era being part of your fantasy setting? never mind that we already had the allagans, nevermind the race of autistic space wizards who accidentally made a *le spooky child* meme that wanted everything to die because it got space madness
>sends a gaggle of hypersensitive children into the depths of space
>has absolutely NO FRICKING CLUE how this could possibly be a bad idea
>this man is considered one of the greatest minds of his era
>blue hair
>considered a genius
>doomed the universe
b-based?
I always thought that the guy who created Twitter made a huge mistake.
reminder that this is a trancer board
And we were having such a nice thread.
It's very simple, really.
ShB ancients = good.
EW ancients and everything after the moon = bad.
>um actually dynamis was heckin foreshadowed and is actually your limit breaks!!! this wasn't an asspull plot device at all!!!
>also the ancients couldn't use dynamis because of reasons!
>also elidibus (forma de guerrero de luz) could use level 4 limit breaks somehow despite being an ancient and therefore not being able to use dynamis!
frick endwalker
Elidibus was a primal, not an ancient :^)
Dynamis is kind of foreshadowed with bozja
And the omega raids, people who argue about it when the game goes out of its way to establish it as a lower force than aether that is only truly useful for unsundered beings (even using the Elidibus fight as an example, where you counter a 24 "man" LB4 with an 8 player LB3) are just plain disingenuous
You defeat the final boss with the power of feels over reals. FFXIV has always been for hypersensitive Twitter trannies
>Expansion is all about OVERCOMING HARDSHIP and FORGING AHEAD no matter how much you're surrounded by LE DESPAIR
>Protagonists are not allowed to have a single bad thing happen to them throughout the whole expansion. Only throwaway NPCs are allowed to die.
>At no point do the scions of the WoL actually experience any despair, and therefore never have to actually over come it.
>Game also becomes cartoonishly casual-oriented with the most bland and simplistic classes the game has ever had, effectively telling casual players that they shouldn't try to overcome hardships, just complain to the devs so they'll make the game easier. This even extends to minor hardships such as needing to maintain melee uptime during boss fights.
How can anybody even like this crap.
>At no point do the scions or the WoL actually experience any despair, and therefore never have to actually over come it.
I can disagree with you and point out the body swap quest where we play as a random garlean probably made wol shit his pants
Oh yeah you mean when the WoL spent 5 minutes in a random Garlean soldiers body and somehow managed to make it back to camp in time just as Zenos casually walked in with their possessed body? And did absolutely nothing with it? Then gave the WoL their body back and left?
Hell if Zenos killed a random nobody soldier of importance it would have actually meant something, however minor, but otherwise it was a complete and utter nothingburger which could have been omitted from the already long-winded story already and nothing would have changed.
the buildup/premise that you were stuck in a nobody's body was good but the "nothing-happened" end of that quest was what killed any hope that they were going to deliver despairkino
>despairkino
oh my god just fricking die
What would have changed if Zenos actually struck down Alisiae or G'raha there? Like, just as graphic as when he almost killed Y'shtola in SB, but this time he finished the job. Other than cutscenes upon cutscenes of miserable people getting even more miserable. or would you prefer that they go "We can't stop now, we must press!" and ignore it?
I'd rather have the main characters experience misery and then overcome it in a meaningful way than what we got, which is no-name characters experiencing misery and then our squad of plot armor Gods just shrugging and beating up the universal embodiment of despair.
>game doesn't take the easy way out and kill off members of the main cast for cheap drama
>If you want the protagonists to actually experience some form of loss or hardship, so that the story about overcoming loss and hardship actually resonates, it means you want to randomly kill scions!!!
moron.
>We must OVERCOME DESPAIR with the power of our HOPE!
>Uh what despair? Nothing bad has happened to our character or his party.
>AAAAAAAAAAAA YOU WANT TO TURN FFXIV INTO GAME OF THRONES!!! YOU WANT TO KILL MY WAIFU!!!! IT'S CHEAP DRAMA!!!!
Why are Endwalker defenders like this?
>Uh what despair? Nothing bad has happened to our character or his party.
This is a CULMINATION to the ENTIRE story from 2.0 to 6.0. The entire POINT of Endwalker is that we have come a long road, eaten shit and lost friends, but because we have experienced those things, we can deal with the Final Days. And those we have met along the way and whom we have helped and saved during our journey, have been inspired to follow in our footsteps, and have come to also understand that nothing is impossible. Become light, become hope, beacon in the dark, all that jazz Hydaelyn and Minfilia keep talking about.
>and lost friends
Like who? Horsefart? His death was overblown. We were pals with him for so little a time. I don't care if the game keeps trying to TELL me that I cared for this guy I barely even knew. His death has all the emotional weight that Jackie's did in Cyberpunk and at least there, narratively, your character knew him for some time. Papalymo? Another guy we barely knew. Who else is left then? Thancred dying would have been a blow. Graha? The closest you have is Minfilia and she's yet another character we didn't truly get to know outside of a professional environment. Not until long after her "death".
>Like who? Horsefart? His death was overblown.
So you're just being a moron. In this story, regardless of how well you think it's presented or how much YOU PERSONALLY liked him, his death is a turning point for WoL. It's his first big failure and the first time during the ENTIRE story where WoL has personal stakes instead of just being a hired muscle to beat up evil baddies.
Can you just go back to watching your ratfaced wow streamers? Nobody gives a shit about your moronic opinions.
>Enemy is some universal entity capable of manipulating reality through dynamis and capable of bringing the whole universe to an end
>Somehow it's unrealistic for sundered beings to lose or die against an entity that destroyed one of the most powerful beings in the universe that were capable of fully manipulating aether.
This is your brain on drugs.
Listen, it would be cheap drama to kill off any of the scions, even though pretty much all of them have long ago finished their character arcs and are completely stagnant in terms of writing. We NEED to keep the twins alive so they can have the exact same story arc for the third time in Dawntrail. We NEED Y'shtola so she can continue being an exposition-dump plot device.
>Listen, it would be cheap drama to kill off any of the scions
except they did in Ultima Thule and then reverse uno carded it
people die during conflict you stupid fricking homosexual
they killed off horsefart, papylapy and minfillia, but during the story arc where the world is on fricking fire, no one important dies, none of the state heads, not a single scion, just some civvies
where the frick is the bite? people barely recall the final days because it barely felt like it even happened
the Garlean civil war that happened off screen had more punch than anything in the final days
Notice how nobody mentions a death toll? Or how there's no real destruction or cost of rebuilding? We can safely assume the Final Days basically did barely happen.
Yes anon we know you dont want your waifu to die..
One of the climatic scenes in Ultima Thule is the WoL calling on Emet-Selch to please nerf Meteion because the fight is too hard to solo.
I'm honestly impressed by how toothless the story turned out, I wasn't expecting much, but it felt like the final days barely happened
>the actual final days amounted to nothing more than one cutscene and one dungeon all in the same place making the whole thing feel entirely localized in one area rather than the climactic apocalyptic event it was hyped up for years to be
>Immediately after the horrors of the apocalypse (that only seem to affect India) you frick off to paradise to hang out with fujobait characters for the next 6 hours.
>Old expansion zones don't even get a different skybox.
>Even Sharlayan is completely fine.
The post-patch stories could have been about rebuilding or healing the world some more. Maybe show the after-effects of how the world was supposedly ending. We don't even get much of that in India since we're they for all of 5 minutes during the Final Days before it's all over.
Man they really dropped the ball.
It was even worse because of the fact that NONE of the Scions even came CLOSE to turning into Blasphemies. It could've been like ShB with the looming threat of the WOL turning into a Sin Eater but no, nothing even close. Neither the scions nor the WOL even worry about succumbing to despair and transforming. Why would they? None of them experience any hardship the entire expansion.
They wouldn't have, they're too knowledgeable about the Final Days to really stand any chance of turning. None of them are predisposed to feeling helpless to the severity needed to transform and all of them have an at least vague idea of how blasphemies work by the time the Final Days hits Eorzea. It doesn't actually make sense for anybody present there to succumb, the closest match would be Urianger who's been suicidal since Moenbryda's death but keeps it bottled up, and wanting to kill himself is the entire reason he shuffles himself off along with Y'shtola early on because he will probably have an effect on the local dynamis in an environment completely comprised of it if he lives for too much longer.
>they're too knowledgeable about the Final Days to really stand any chance of turning
Dynamis is literally feels > reals.
It really is not hard to do. Just read Aquinas.
>It really is not hard to do. Just read Aquinas.
You haven't even read it, so I'm not sure why you think I should have to.
I have read "it" (Aquinas is a man, not a book).
>I gave my reasoning they wouldn't turn at all and you gave me a non-sequitur about how dynamis works.
How dynamis works is the reasoning. It doesn't matter how well they understand the phenomenon because objective understanding doesn't mean a damn thing in that situation. if they're feeling any kind of dread or despair or depression, they should suffer under the weight of it. Urianger can't simultaneously be suicidal and also be completely immune to the despair dynamis.
>Urianger can't simultaneously be suicidal and also be completely immune to the despair dynamis.
Oh, you didn't read my post at all but you're trying to pretend you did, cute. There's nothing to talk about you with.
>i'm not wrong you obviously just didn't read properly!
This one's a classic.
It's the same argument as "NOOO YOU JUST SKIPPED THE CUTSCENES". It's some severe form of autism that makes it impossible for people like this to consider other humans may reach different conclusions than them, even while having the same information.
pop some tylenol for that back pain when you bend forward to suck your own wiener
>I have read "it"
You haven't, obviously. If you had, you would be able to convey literally anything he wrote instead of screaming "READ THE BOOK" while crying and shitting yourself.
>(Aquinas is a man, not a book).
And?
>You haven't, obviously.
I have, I've just told you I'm not going to start trying to explain things to you in a FFXIV thread. Take responsibility for yourself (you won't because you're happy to remain ignorant and go for smug middle school gotchas based off your ignorance).
>And?
And you referred to reading "it", as though Aquinas is the name of a book.
>I have
Good joke, little guy.
>I've just told you I'm not going to start trying to explain things to you in a FFXIV thread.
So instead you'll make a dozen posts screaming about how I need to read it? Come the frick on. Why are Christians always such scared, dishonest homosexuals?
>And you referred to reading "it", as though Aquinas is the name of a book.
"It" as in his body of work. This is basic English, anon.
>Good joke, little guy.
>Why are Christians always such scared, dishonest homosexuals?
Putting these two statements together is peak middle school atheism.
>"It" as in his body of work. This is basic English, anon.
No, when speaking proper English you would say, "I've read him."
Nobody's ITT to read your Christcuckery homosexual. Talk about FFXIV. Nobody cares that you're eternally buttblasted about atheism.
Nobody's hear to read about how you're still angry about having to go to church instead of playing Pokemon when you were 6 years old but here you are.
I don't care about your reddit argument. I'm not the guy you're screaming at: My parents took me to Catholic mass and I'm perfectly fine with that but I still don't think God is real. Now talk about FFXIV or frick off.
Anon, this all started because the vegan atheist had to go tip his fedora on a completely unrelated topic.
>t. Also an atheist that isn't a colossal homosexual.
>Putting these two statements together is peak middle school atheism.
You're too scared to form a proper argument so you scream at me to read a book you haven't read. It's pathetic beyond belief.
>No, when speaking proper English you would say, "I've read him."
Keep running with this pedantry while simultaneously pretending you're above irrelevant "gochas". It doesn't make you look like a scared hypocrite at all.
NTA, read Aquinas and don't resent your parents past age 15.
>NTA
lmao good one.
Here ya go.
Anon, everyone knows how easy it is to spoof those screenshots. Why even waste your time?
Why yes doing a crop of a print screen screenshot is a spoof.
Stop hating your parents.
This goes for you too
You are too stupid to be real. 7/10 bait. Pretty good, honestly.
At least pretend you're going to have a conversation about it, I gave my reasoning they wouldn't turn at all and you gave me a non-sequitur about how dynamis works.
>Lunar Odin
>Lunar Eureka
Makes sense that Fandaniel could summon something like Odin considering he is Amon.
Shadowbringers sucked
I don't care about the first at all frick off
And the scions suck as characters
Shadowbringers suck because WoL and the scions just act moronic with Emet. While Emet is a big physical threat, the nature of the adversary that WoL and scions are facing is more philosophical, yet none of them have any good arguments against Emet (even if there are plenty).
Garleans are the only interesting faction in this game
i love ultimates so much Gankerros, best combat content in this game. are you anons progging any ultimate?
Nah I'm playing Dragonflight because the combat actually feels good over there. I only login to FFXIV if I feel like jerking off with some random 12 inch wiener ESL catgirl idling in Limsa.
>its a "we want to murder the scions" thread again
Just leave the game, it will never happen again. By your logic you must fricking love WoW because it just kills characters pretty easily left and right.
I will also point out that in LotR no one of the fellowship died after Boromir early in book 1 and conclude that you guys are just fricking brain damaged by modern American Fantasy writing where everything must be gritty and grim, death has to lurk at every corner and the more brown and drab the environment is, the better.
You would post the exact same thing about the MSQ "lacking bite" if Urianger got graphically torn apart by a monstrosity during the final days, arguing that "His arc was over anyways" and "he is a literal who just like Papalymo and Minfillia".
>my erp game can't have consequences or it'll make me sad 🙁
no, the consequences are just never enough for you gays because you have fried fricking circuits
Why are you still subbed?
Because I still enjoy playing the game even if I think the story is shit.
>MSQgay cannot comprehend the concept of somebody playing the game for reasons beyond the newest visual novel slop.
Bet you're one of those gays who calls Stormblood "le worst expansion".
Base stormblood is the worst expansion, they could've added in eureka and the memberberry raids anywhere
>"we want to murder the scions"
I don't
I want to romance them and turn them into mothers
Companionship/romance systems would unironically placate a lot of the grievances people have with the characters, since for once you would see them outside of highs takes adventure, interacting with you and growing by doing so.
Yet you know they'll never add it
Except in LotR the books end with Frodo irreversibly changed and no longer feeling like he has a real home to come back to. It's a perfect example of having the protagonist experience a powerful sense of loss without having to kill anybody, something Endwalker is not capable of doing.
The reason you want to make it exclusively about killing scions is because you're too shonenbrained to imagine a story where a character experiences loss and hardship without the supporting cast dying.
>LotR is a multi-year journey
>ARR-EW happened in less than a year
What is wrong with the Japanese?
>Endwalker defender brings up World of Warcraft unprovoked.
They're obsessed with it. Here's the real kicker. Current WoW enjoyers don't even think about FFXIV. FFXIVgays however are in perpetual inferiority complex mode because their precious little fricking mmo will never be #1 and has fallen back into irrelevancy.
I'm pretty sure current wow enjoyers don't think in general
I see current wowgays complaining about ffxiv in persona 3 and monster hunter threads
>Ancients ruined the story
ZODIARK
TRANCE!
>140 posts
>32 posters
lmao "muh stakes" homosexuals are something
I will add nothing to the pathetic discussion other than posting a picture of best girl's ass.
bunda gato
How does her tail go through the panties?
Look closer to that pic anon.
She's not wearing panties.
Y'shtola retains the old, 1.0 Miqo ass under her skirt.
It is also Krile time, no time for repeated spam from one person
very sad to see she got mordered off screen and replaced by someone else in 6.55
Krile sexo
my wife is allowed to be happy
>play a final fantasy game
>be surprised that its a hopeful story with anime tropes and characters with plot armour
Man you guys are kinda dumb.
Bro hasn't played XV or XVI
How well did those games do again...? Right.
XV is the most successful FF title.
To be fair, no one did
You haven't played any FF games besides XIV. VI tells a much stronger story about overcoming despair and loss than Endwalker, and it does this in half the playtime and with primitive sprite graphics.
In VI no one important dies so it's like the Scions and XIV lmao
fakeouts
And your moronic shonenbrain still can't grasp that you can convey loss and hardship without slaughtering the supporting cast. LotR, for example, manages to do this by having Frodo end his story no longer having a feeling of belonging in the Shire. FFVI does this by putting its characters through the wringer and having an apocalypse that actually substantially changes the world.
Endwalker, meanwhile, provides the characters with nothing to overcome, no real source of despair or pain, yet it still preaches to the player about forging ahead. It's a story about overcoming suffering where the suffering is so abstract and distant as to not matter. You're exclusively fixated on character death because you're illiterate and moronic.
>slaughtering the supporting cast. LotR, for example,
who is picrel? thank god you didn't use the hobbit, that would make me search for all those dwarves
>One character dies.
>WTF THIS IS LITERALLY GAME OF THRONES
Frodo's sense of loss at the end of the books isn't even related to Boromir. You didn't read LotR.
yeah like the death of boromir didn't affect any other member of the fellowship like merry or pippin, especially the one who had to deal with a moronic father but nice deflection. not to mention the fakeout gandalf death that made the party lose hope in moria but let's forget about that.
Anon you’re still the only one here who believes sense of loss and despair in a story can only come from a character dying. Shut the frick up.
>sense of loss doesn't come from losing something and/or someone you chud
I KNEEL
Dood, sense of loss means you are losing your sense of sight or smell or hearing... like growing old or some shit...
You're effectively conceding the argument by saying "something" rather than just "someone". If loss can come from losing something and not just from losing someone, then Endwalker could've had a strong sense of loss by making the WoL lose something, rather than by merely killing a Scion. It did not do this and therefore it failed to convey its themes.
>Endwalker could've had a strong sense of loss by making the WoL lose something, rather than by merely killing a Scion.
Again, what do you propose? Even if I go and try to empathise completely with my character, I can't come up with anything in the game world that would have been more devastating than the loss of any of my friends. Not returning home with the same amount of goons that did board the Ragnarok was my characters greatest worry. So much so that the WoL activating the teleporter and getting their friends out of harms way because that battle was outclassing them so much was exactly what I would have done. I'd rather be the person not coming home than any of them.
>NPCs killing themselves, losing their homes and families don't convey any despair or loss because they aren't directly related to you
Let me guess, they're just not enough for you, right?
If the audience has no emotional investment in a character, and that character was blatantly created to be killed as soon as possible, then it naturally follows that the audience is not going to be emotionally impacted by it.
You might as well act like DBZ is an emotionally impactful narrative because Cell kills a bunch of nameless civilians on-screen.
Imperfect Cell is an impactful villain, though, I'm starting to think you just lack basic empathy
I never said that, dyslexic shonentard
They killed off a supporting character once and it was the worst, most embarrassing edgebait shit ever conceived in a videogame cutscene.
So you argue it is not about killing popular characters like the Scions, but about instilling a sense of loss in the protagonist, in this case the WoL. Since the WoL is a thinly veiled player standing, I have to ask: How would you do that? Killing off a beloved character would be the most efficient method, since that is very easily the most obvious thing people bond with in the MSQ.
Forcing the player/wol to watch an unskippable and terribly written cutscene that would make even the cringiest of edgelord shounengays cringe is more despair inducing than killing off a favourite character
>LotR does sense of loss right because the one butthole in the Fellowship dies in the first book/movie!
Ok...
So XIV must be an absolute gut-wrencher for you, isn't it? Seeing as half the original Scions are dead.
In the first book/movie 2 main characters die, Gandalf (who doesn't actually but you don't know that untill the second book) and Boromir. You already feel the dread and how hard the journey will be from this point onwards.
>Original Scions
That's why picrel will be the better villain, he killed everyone who was on your side, everyone who'd support you. Made you run away like a b***h. But you people meme at him. He caused more despair than any other villain afterwards
>Gandalf (who doesn't actually but you don't know that untill the second book)
If you're gonna count that, then the Bloody Banquet was that but x5, and with an ACTUAL death (Minfilia).
and that was pretty based. Something similar that happened in SB/ShB/EW?
it happened once in ARR so you had your fill. No need to repeat that. Move on
>in SB
All of the Scions suddenly losing their souls and going into a coma.
>ShB
I'd argue the entire ascians vs sundered dilemma is a tragedy in and of itself, from the moment Emet-Selch reveals his entire history you start to feel bad for him the same way you do for the main characters.
>EW?
*crunching meat and bone noises*
>EW: YOU BLOODY BASTERD, DO NOT REDEEM MY SISTER
Yeah you're probably gonna find it hard to invest yourself into any narratives at all if all you can think of and communicate with are memes.
anon, blue bird turned black, even colors are trying tell you that you are supposed to feel despair from this being.
Did they know?
>NO ONE EVER LE FRICKING DIES CHUD WHAT IS THIS
>he doesn't remember the whole of the waking sands getting slaughtered in ARR
Always remember that there is a concentrated discord of people that raid these threads daily and cry about a game they do not even play.
9 too. Endwalker lifted a truckload of themes from it and did each and every one worse.
Reminder:
We had no real reason NOT TO FIGHT ZENOS the first time we encountered him in EW.
He had no real reason NOT TO FIGHT US ON THE SPOT.
He just walk off, just because...
Would you be happier had he a reason?
the real reason was that I wanted to fight him there and then but if I admit that, ff-fans will call me chud
The first time we come face to face with Zenos in EW he had invited us over for dinner.
After that was when he shot himself to the moon, where he and WoL actually were going to fight before Fandaniel jumped in the big hole.
>Starts trying to derail the thread with waifu garbage because his shonentrash story was exposed for utterly mishandling its core themes.
How's the fishing going, gentlemen?
I'm prepping for another shot at Hyphalosaurus
Pretty good, 2 homies left. I got a couple bites from the Garlemald one but he's a slippery frick.
I think the Azem shit and Elpis specifically ruined the tone of the game and made it way too overblown.
The fact that you’re actually some kind of Gandalf entity and not an ordinary hero grinds my gears.
And the excessive Scion wank.
This tbh, I could deal with an expansion and a half of ancients but the azem dicksucking is gonna be forever until EoS
>The fact that you’re actually some kind of Gandalf entity and not an ordinary hero grinds my gears.
The only impact that plot element has is merging souls with Ardbert, and being able to use the summon friends spell from the crystal. WoL is still the same ordinary hero, being a sundered soul part of Azem makes no difference.
I think it’s the tone of it that bugs more than anything. I don’t like how the WoL somehow suddenly isn’t just a great adventurer. The Echo in this world is already a superpower enough.
>Join PF for ministrel Shyriu
>Actually beat him after like two hours
I love MINE parties
XIV has the distinct disadvantage of having the WoL as lead. The WoL isn't a character, they are more a force of nature, so it is hard to bounce emotions of them. They probably could improve on that with some more CRPG style interactions, but I don't think CBU3 has that in them, considering how they always seem to cut corners in their content.
>not the first post by this IP
get new material doomsissy trance troony
Yeah, I meant to reply to
with that. Good eye, thread deputy, glad someone is frantically keeping an eye on the unique posters count lmao
I’m just partaking in the discussion, what do you mean? The only posts I’ve made are
and
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anons, powerlevelgay friend tells me that WoL isn't considered the strongest FF protagonist and goes on and on how Noctis or Clive are the strongest. Can I BTFO him with picrel and how the WoL can summon people and gang up on literally anyone?
Easy. In Dissidia Y'shtola can one on one all of the big bads in FF, and she is WAY below the WoL in powerlevel.
Still slightly disappointed they didn't add any sort of
>Why does this guy look familiar...?
comment from Y'shtola when we finally saw Golbez in person.
Then again, that could have been a pretty cool detail in that it's not the real Golbez so Y'shtola would just see someone completely different... huh.
>Then again, that could have been a pretty cool detail in that it's not the real Golbez so Y'shtola would just see someone completely different... huh.
Yeah, I guess you can chalk that up to her Aether sight. At the same time she does recognize the Kefka minion... honestly I feel this is another case of "changing writers" being the worst way of handling a continuous story.
The best justification I can come up with (and this is really just a bad cope, let's be real it was just inconsistent writing like most of the patches) is that the Kefka minion doesn't have a soul so it doesn't emit a particular aether she'd find recognizable, and she focuses purely on the form, so she recognizes the villain she once fought but that has been erased from her memories. While with Golbezante, she's seeing first and foremost the color of Durante's soul, and it distracts her from recognizing that "Hey, the armor also seems vaguely familiar, where could I possibly have seen it before?".
That's the point, dumbass. WoL isn't strong enough to solo threats and needs friends or mcguffin powers.
>Ultima and Lahabrea
Hydaelyn literally intervening and reviving you
>Thordan
Left Eye boost
>Nidhogg
Hraesvalgr's Eye
>Shinryu
Weakened from fight with Omega and Zenos was already knocked around a bit
>Tsukuyomi
She wasn't trying and only wanted to kill Asahi
>Hades
Friends summoned by Graha and all the light aether in your tummy juicing you up and Ardbert rejoining
>Elidibus
Summoned friends and Emet saving you from eternal damnation and Graha using the CT to succ Elidibus
>Zodiark
Summoned friends, incomplete rejoining, wasn't trying to win
>Hydaelyn
Scions helping, wasn't trying, power already waning
>Endsinger
Summoned friends, Shinryu's assistance, Scions praying for you
>Zenos
Dynamis still coursing through
>everything after
Summoned friends.
Not a single major villain defeated purely by WoL's power
>Hydaelyn and Zodiark not even being discussed.
>Trancers get brought up for some reason anyway.
I think we can all agree that as bad as DT story will be, it can't get any worse than SHB or EW.
The main character is a troony. It can always get worse.
What does she know?
god that looks so uncanny
Uncannily cute
lala tummy ToT
I fricking hate Sidereal Whale
The pandaemonium raid almost satisfied my ancient/ascian killing boner, would've been perfect if we could kill Lahabrea too. My only disappointment was that we couldn't choke the life out of Hyathalodeus too, he's the only named ancient we haven't been able to kill or at the very least fight.
PABLO
TRANCE!
Sorry about the kill steal bro.
We killed Igehyorm and then we killed Thordan as well so by transitive property we killed Lahabrea.
So how many people did we kill by transitive property after defeating the Endsinger?
Every Dragon except Midgardsomr
Every single Ea
The Omicrons and we also killed Omega too so they're dead dead
The Not-Call of Duty guys
The Namazu like homies
The masked dudes who wanted to kill themselves anyway
Countless untold gazillions who didn't come from aether based planets or had the strength of will to resist Meteion's KYS waves.
If killing scions is "le cheap drama" and we accept that the WoL is a hollow character that can't really experience loss by losing something meaningful to their lives, then perhaps the actual problem with Endwalker is that it shouldn't have tried to be a story about hope overcoming despair. Perhaps it could've gone for a less trite theme, or at least one that it could convey properly.
>not the first post by this IP
you are running out of material doomsissy
keep doing it for free
Everything alright anon?
Covid mindbroke Ishikawa and Yoshida, there was no way EW was going to be a good story unless global events were completely altered.
Le blank post spam
I do not give a frick about the story, just give me more battle content.
Battle content is either FATEslop or stand and let thing resolve. Why are you playing this game if you don't care about gooning with mare or the story?
>Loses argument about Endwalker having a shoddy storyline and being thematically dissonant.
>Randomly starts ranting about ARR plotlines from 10 years ago while making deranged accusations about secret discord cabals raiding his anus.
Why does the Endwalker Defense Force always end up ranting about bogeymen?
uh oh doomsissy melty can't even quote posts anymore
mindbroken discord troony
you seem mad
>Self-appointed thread janny starts sperging out about IP counts and "le doomsissies".
>He has to do this in order to save face in an argument that he has blatantly lost.
>He is very upset because he takes it personally when random people criticize his favorite videotoy.
keep melting for free doomsissy
dilate with your discord sisters you need new material
Before;
>Allagans were hyper-advanced through their own unique form of magitek, which has shaped Eorzea and the world in many ways
>The War of the Magi was an event caused by the tension between very different schools of magic, and the effects it has had on the world are still plainly shown
>Garlemald is a nation built upon Magitek, echoing Allag in the past an swiftly becoming just as much of a threat to the world
>The Twelve are enigmatic and esoteric. What exactly they are isn't clear, and their interventions are often indirect
>Hydaelyn is an even larger enigma, distant yet always there to grant her power to those who would be heroes
>The Ascians are a cult of ancient mages worshipping a Dark God, manipulating and conspiring to cause destruction and mayhem
>The Void is a distant world drowned in darkness, ruled by daemons who want to consume more worlds
>Even with all these groups, the world is still dangerous and full of deadly creatues
Now
>Allag was an Ancient's ploy to cause a Calamity
>The War of the Magi was an Ancient's ploy to cause a Calamity
>Garlemald was an Ancient's ploy to cause a Calamity
>The Twelve were just Ancients
>Hydaelyn was just an Ancient
>The Ascians are just Ancients, their God was a construct they made, their actual goal is just remaking their old world
>The Void was an Ancient plot to cause a Calamity
>All the dangerous creatures in the world were actually made by the Ancients, none of them are actually natural
It is going to be even worse in 10 years when there was a second <mystical force> that set in motion the epic high stakes adventure that starts now in DT, somehow cohabitating with the Ancient plotline.
If DT's villain is was somehow made by the Ancients I'm fricking quitting.
I predict that the next story arc will be related to the origin of auracite and Ultima the High Seraph as they've established that auracite is both alien to the planet and its shards and is old if not older than the ancients.
let's hope those ancients were preparing/protecting us from a greater evil that has yet to come.
>The WoL is only important because he's a reincarnated Ancient.
>Primal summoning is just an imitation of magic used by the Ancients.
It's genuinely insane how Endwalker and Shadowbringers answered every single mystery in the setting with the same thing. There's no reason to be invested in this game's lore anymore.
>>The WoL is only important because he's a reincarnated Ancient
This one infuriates me to no fricking end.
>Stormblood
>Two other Warriors of Light from the past get shown, Ramza and Tenzen
>This specifically shows that while WoL is kinda special, he's still one of many heroes throughout history and that said heroes can come from anywhere
>ShB/EW
>WoL is actually the super special reincarnation of a super duper ancient who was best friends with God and also the Ascians and the reason he's a hero is because he travelled back in time and met Hydaelyn before she was God and was best friends with her and also now WoL has a special crystal which lets him summon random people into fights now and it WILL be used every chance we get now to remind you of how super special WoL is
Um no chud you see those are shards of Azem just like you, you're reincarnated from Tenzen and Ramza and they were GOAT only because they were shards of Azem.
Now Barbie at the polls and vote for Biden.
>/pol/tard is back
doomsissies are not sending their best
imagine being a self hating troon that does it for free with discord sisters
>the impact Allag has on the setting is somehow removed when they literally accomplished more than the ancients did
>everyone starts calling everyone a doomsissy now
Ya'll homies need to chill.
Tataru is a bad influence
Unless we haven't seen any of the flashy stuff yet, PCT is just way more interesting both visually and lorewise than VPR. The animations and VFX shown in the job trailer were just very dull and "twinblade monster hunter" is meh too.
Viper will without a doubt be more fun to play however
I heavily doubt that. It's there to appeal to edgy casuals upset that NIN has magic. I expect it to be one of the simplest melees.
>malebuns are uber chads who have to have to be kept away from the females or they would breed them to death
>only played by gays
what's the deal?
>254 posts
>47 IPs
doomsissies are so blatant
I popped into this thread to see how the blizzkeks are taking the activision news, and it’s just as I expected they do be seething
What news?
Let me guess, they're also laying off a crapton of people. Everyone seems to be doing it these days.
Laid off more than 1k people
There is a non zero chance the gays seething here are recently unemployed
One of them right above me
>I came back to this thread after my previous meltdown so I can try to damage control by talking about some shitty game company that has nothing to do with FFXIV.
FTFY
how does it feel to know your goyim propaganda game is dead and that the only repevance it gets is from you raiding and dooming in another games thread?
wow lost hard
I'll let you know how I feel about this once I finish deciphering whatever the frick you're trying to say here.
cope doomsissy keep doing it for free
>Heh heh imagine not getting paid for posting your opinion on Ganker
Are you saying you get paid for your posts?
you do it for free
I don't think Ganker is meant to be a website where you get paid to post your opinions. Are you getting paid?
you always get mindbroken when you are reminded that you waste so much of your time dooming for free
all for free
You're not answering the question Anon. You're just repeating the same sentences over and over. Could you please tell me if you're being paid for your posts? A simple "no" would suffice.
mindbroken doomsissy
mindbroken for free
What are the odds that the "doomsissies" spammer and Venatschizo are the exact same person? It could be two different morons, but there's a lot of overlap in their behavior.
>everyone one person
REAL XIV THREAD HOURS BROS
The Venat schizo can't go a single post without bringing up trancers or posting a screenshot of twitter or the official forums. Doomsissy anon ITT is likely a different schizo, simply because I don't think venatgay has enough self-control to make a single post without bringing up trancers.
Obviously. Notice how we don't have paragraphs about trancers. There's a handful of no-lifes who make it their duty to shit up every XIV thread by pretending CBU3 can do no wrong and it has been going on since mid SHB.
People realized that the Ancients are actually stand-ins for Legacy Players and now we're moving into a new world of XIV.
Remember us, that we once played.
Really though, 5.3 was the worst thing to happen to the game since suddenly our character has a forced backstory with Azem and then we're magically best buddies with all the Ascians we've fought so hard against. Add on everyone is a simp for us while we have a magic stone to invoke "Friendship is magic!" upon whatever threat we face now due to Azem-status and it's just been downhill ever since.
>People realized that the Ancients are actually stand-ins for Legacy Players
This is as dumb as the "time jannies are OG FFVII-gays" theory for FFVII Remake.
Does that mean I'm not the only one moronic enough to reach that conclusion with the ancients being a possible proxy? It's something I've considered for awhile now and wondering if it's really true or not based on observations. Then again, with Kate handling the writing nowadays, perhaps I misunderstood some elements and reached a very bad conclusion as a result.
>Then again, with Kate handling the writing nowadays,
This moronic meme needs to die.
I do have some grievances with her over the Wuk Lamat situation, but only because I feel it's a slap in the face to hire someone from Kentucky as an "authentic" accent for a Brazilian accent after other anons pointed out Kate had a hand in selecting the casting for the english dub. I'm really just terrified that we'll get another Lyse / Zero situation of being forced to endure a poorly written character for a full expansion or more that really feels more like Poochy from the Simpsons in how overall the plot revolves around them but has no actual impact because of them.
I have no real idea what you're talking about there friendo. Me and Earl there were talking about plot things and now you're on about trancers or whatever and people doing a job. You doing alright? Done your dailies for the day and leveled your gatherers up by chance?
trance troons just copy paste their talking points from discord 24/7 like they are on shift for a job
the only thing is that they do it without getting paid
>"time jannies are OG FFVII-gays" theory for FFVII Remake.
that would actually be based af if true
it's almost like killer instinct
Killer Instinct is a series of fighting video games originally created by Rare and published by Midway, Nintendo, and Xbox Game Studios. The original Killer Instinct was released for arcades in 1994; the game was then released for the Super NES and Game Boy in 1995.
Two more weeks sisters!
Remember how before mid-ShB we could actually have entire threads go by without anybody mentioning WoW at all? Why is that nowadays nobody shuts the frick up about it in XIV threads?
We beat WoW. XIV is the most important and best MMO in the world. 40 million players? Check! Over 1 million concurrent players for 5 years straight? Check! An amazing story 10 years in the making? Check! Challenging bosses and raids that make Dark Souls weep? Check! Free goon stations at every idle location thanks to the wonderful folks who make mods and keep this game alive? Check! First-ever transwoman voice actress? Check check checkaarooni! We're simply the best, no other game comes close. I've been playing since the olden days of SHB but there's so much content I still need to do, XIV really has it all. It's all I need!
>I've been playing since the olden days of SHB
this is how I know you're a doomsissy trancer falseflagging for free. you're supposed to take a 36 month break between every patch you doomsissy trancer discord troony. ffxiv is supposed to be enjoyed by playing other games.
XIV threads have been good this week, what happened?
discord raiders are the only posters at this time
300 posts and only 55 ip
The racial gear is ruined by those pouches.
god they look fricking terrible, straight up down syndrome on that middle one
Would
the ones on the left and right look...fine, but that middle one, they really should have reshot that one
It's the combination of the derpiest face with the dumb mullet hair.
Right face will look alright I think, depending on the hairstyle.
Frick, I hope Wuk's headgear isn't a tease and they actually do get full headgear support.
Wuk's outfit will be mogstation and turban won't be wearable by hroth or viera lol
This time, Yoshida actually stated it's WIP.
Which if you've paid attention over the past 10 years tends to be true, otherwise he uses more evasive language like with egi glamours or customization of existing races etc.
>we are working on it
Black person said the EXACT SAME THING in SHB.
>we are working very hard to get all hats added to Viera and Hroths, please look forward to it
By the end of DT Viera and Hroth will have been in the game longer than the game has been without them and they STILL won't have hats lmao lazy Black person devs.
World of Warcraft is a bad game you fricking doomshitter. You have NO counterargument to this.
>World of Warcraft is a bad game
burden of proof please?
Then how come XIV doesn't have its own South Park or Family Guy episode? Checkmate.
>>we are working very hard to get all hats added to Viera and Hroths, please look forward to it
You're going to have to give me an actual quote source on that, and not the wishful thinking reinterpretations of the evasive excuses I know he's given about this in the past.
Literally the forum post about how the team worked really hard on the two pieces of head gear they could wear on SHB release.
>we REALLY tried our best ok?
>more will come
>we plan for all headgear to work at end of this expansion
>please look forward to it
I'm waiting for the link anon.
If Dawntrail is worse than Endwalker the shill mental breakdown is going to make the Great Venat Thread Wars look like a minor skirmish.
>If
Bro you are NOT ready for the raidtroons to go full nuclear when there's only one ult.
Dawntrail defenders will go like:
>you just don't like vacations
>touch grass after all the despair we've been through we deserve some chill time to cool down
>You're just a mindbroken wowbuck who thought this will be like DragQueenFlight
>Shounengays with their powerlevel homosexualry ruined ffxiv, we don't need another universal thread, look how wow ended up
>Zodiark Trancers
>Story ends up being so uninteresting that thread schizos never stop talking about Hydaelyn vs. Zodiark.
>the vacation expansion will immediately devolve into yet another world ending threat
bad art
Go in the drawthread and tell the Anons that their art is bad Picasso
Why would I play this troony game when wow is better?
https://arch.b4k.co/v/search/image/0he3joUBKsjQ_TBudCFWFQ/
Obsessed a bit?
>Obsessed
Nice gaslighting attempt.
All Dwarves had beards from the beginning of their lives
J.R.R. Tolkien
>mindbroken mindbroken mindbroken mindbroken MINDBROKEN MINDBROKEN
>Anon screamed calmly
The funniest thing about FFXIV threads is that the loudest screeching autist in them is some moron who, after two years, still hasn't mentally recovered from some cringe edgelord comic about Venat getting killed. Waifugays are truly the lowest lifeform.
Disregarding all the boring loresperg shit, what are your hopes and expectations for how combat will be in DT?
>Yoshida: " "That's a difficult question," begins Yoshi-P. "We have skill rotations varying between 60 and 120 seconds for the most intense phases and that's how it works currently. But the reason it's like this today is that we've received, in the past, feedback from all over the world saying that the timing of fights were difficult, it was difficult to align skills between classes, we were asked to unify everything, and precisely because we received these requests to homogenize this, we homogenized it"."
>Yoshida: "We're okay with making things a little crazy and having different timings between all the classes, but again, we made these changes because we got feedback that it was too difficult before. We understand that there are two types of players, so going forward, Regardless of whether we change this or not, the community needs to reach a consensus: what is better? Before changing something we need to get feedback from everyone", concludes Yoshi-P
Will we lose the buff meta? Will critical hit finally be rebalanced?
He will add action combat
It's going to be exactly the same but every job will get a new finisher to use in their buff window and a bunch of buttons that people actually liked pressing will get pruned, while shit like Shoha 2 is allowed to stay. Every healer will get even more free healing off-gcds but remain a 11111 spammer.
Oh boy, time for the 54th finisher for RDM, how exciting.
What's wrong with Shoha 2? Just bloat? SAM AoE burst is very fun
It should've been an upgrade to Shoha 1. Instead they deleted Kaiten, a button a lot of people liked, and refused to go back on it. Now Samurai spams Shinten like mad which is unsatisfying compared to using Kaiten.
I'm expecting it to be exactly the same but if they give healers 1-2 offensive GCDs I'll stop complaining.
me too bro
maybe I'll pick up my nouliths again
>But the reason it's like this today is that we've received, in the past, feedback from all over the world saying that the timing of fights were difficult, it was difficult to align skills between classes, we were asked to unify everything, and precisely because we received these requests to homogenize this, we homogenized it".
Classic Yoshida gaslighting. This guy neber listens to fans, especially globally, but now he suddenly did for bursts when really it was just to make raid designs easier and more formulaic? Lol.
Also no, that interview is basically him saying they're too lazy to change it for DT, so don't expect it to go away until 8.0.
>Hopes
More complex things to manage
More interesting abilities
Better boss mechanics than 'enter round/square arena and hit it until it dies'
Expectations-
Slight potency buffs
New animation for a button that adds nothing other than damage
More simple bosses that require 0 thought, or puzzle bosses that are trial and error until you figure out the mechanics, after which they require 0 thought
I have none. I have given up on combat and combat related content almost entirely with the release of Endwalker. I'm just going to make scenes using ktisis, showcasting the life of a mercenary company.
Not even 10% clear savage, but somehow they all complained worldwide about skill rotations and 60/120 buffs despite the average player not even doing his rotation correctly with less than 80% uptime on gcd (highballing it).
Yoship is a fraud, and he should retire all together, he is a senile man like Joe Biden.
In Japan up to 20% of characters clear savage. And savage/normal as a ratio can be as high as 35%. EU/NA is much lower, but only about half of people who start any tier actually finish it on patch. Raid engagement is actually pretty high when compared to any other optional content.
they should remove party buffs, that's pretty much the only way we can have interesting job design without being strangled by the 2 min meta requiring every job to burst at 2 mins
I fully agree with this, except in a few cases where it's critical to job identity. I think AST should still have cards, DNC should be able to buff their partner (but not the whole party) and BRD should be able to buff the whole party, but in a flat manner over time like they do now. Maybe keep DRG's eye partner thing too.
Other than those, all buffs/bursts can be personal matters and don't need to be lined up
I think RDM should be allowed to keep what little they have aswell, since it’s the only thing it carries over from the original Red Mage fantasy (being able to do a little of everything) but in a MMO triangle aspect, aside from its clothing.
I just want them to stop with the simplifying aspect. Healers are bots who have two press 2 to 3 dps buttons and a heal every once in a while (casual content) tanks are braindead unless you are GNB and DRK. DPS classes have lost some of their fun due to many attempts to revamp what wasn't broken.
I just want the combat to be fun. I think doing the exact same rotation in a fight for hours. Doing the same exact GCD at the exact same time every pull while you already know what's coming makes the game too stale. You can meme all you want about wow proc shitty mechanics but at least you literally don't do the same exact execution everytime.
Bosses also fall into this. Not feeling like monsters at all but more like a giant robot that is programmed to always do the same shit.
what other games have fights like this that are truly dynamic? monster hunter? definitely no boss in wow, they also follow a routine script, and have since the days of 40 man raids.
MH fights are fairly predictable. You got moves they'll do at different thresholds or big ones to look out for that they won't do often so you cautiously tipetoe around the tougher ones until they use that attack and it's safe to go all in. While not completely robotic, you get the same feeling as XIV after a while and the thrill comes from speedkills as you farm one endlessly for mats. I think what anon wants are fights closer to Guardian or Seat of Sacrifice where the patterns can change in significant ways.
I can't think of a single MMO that doesn't have bosses behaving in a specific order or on specific health thresholds. It's more a question of: why are bosses even designed this way? And I can't think of anything besides that it's easy design and/or reduces development time.
Doesn't FFXI had non scripted bosses? I think they only have doing shit at % threshold but everything else i think was kinda random?
yes but FFXI was also a much slower game
because mmo encounters are done with a lot of people and you don't want boss fritzing because it doesn't know what to do or become destiny and insta wipe because some homosexual breathed wrong for a second
It absorbed the story for far too long. It would have been nice had it ended in Shadowbringers but Endwalker doubped down on it. The Ancients plot should have died for good the moment we killed Zodiark. Maybe one curiosity here and there but nothing like what was until then.
Also not a fan of Elpis, the Ancients were cooler when they were those unfathomable alien creatures, not fujobait. Needless to say, that it didn't end with Meteion and had to keep reminding us of the whole thing with Pandemonium and the Alliance Raids was well beyond enough.
While I'm excited by Dawntrail, if they try to pull off the whole "Actually the Ancients..." again in the MSQ, I'm done with XIV. If they want to keep at it, better leave it to some hidden quest in some random shack of not-Bolivia.
Dragons are unironically one of the more interesting things about the setting since they're really ancient aliens.
is that new hrothgar voice actor?
I always felt the Lukewarm reception of krile was due to the fact she's very relatable. At the end of the day she's just another soul trying to find their calling
She’s the only Scion for the latest expansions who has a head on her shoulders, probably BECAUSE she’s been in the background. Every single other one has become woobified in one way or another which removes a lot of their depth.
That’s probably going to change now that they’re giving her more agency as a character and a quirky expressive job.
I like G’raha because he’s the designated shonen friend so it’s okay when he waxes and wanes between being cool and goofy. But lately, most scions have been emulating that behavior which removes a lot of the variety, which fricking sucks.
What killed our game, sisters?
No players
No content
No hype
Trannies everywhere
Nothing for 8 months, only a troony to look forward too with a horrible voice
Is it over? Because it sure does look like it
>generic fantasy tropes
thats fine for a MMORPG, I hate this chosen one shit. I just want to be that really good adventurer, not the reincarnation of some super adventurer that made me the best today, who was also friends with all the current bad guys
I mean the wol was the chosen one since day one.
Basically Hydaelyns favorite from the start,
and I hated it, chosen one story lines are so awful
At this point i might look into making my own mmo. DT will not fix any fundamental issues caused by expansions.
I will resub for 6.0-6.1 only to clear first tier and ultimate. After that i will quit for good because game won't have anything fun left to offer.
>B-But muh diadem 4.0
lol lmao
>It is patch 15.0. For more than ten expansions Naoki Yoshida has sat immobile on Square Enix’s Tokyo office. He is the Master of Etheirys by the will of the shareholders, and master of a million subscribers by the might of his inexhaustible shills. He is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with memories from Dark Age of Camelot. He is the Producer and Director of Final Fantasy XIV from whom a thousand fantasias are bought every day, so that he may never truly retire.
>Yet even in his creatively bankrupt state, Yoshida continues his eternal PR efforts. Mighty discord servers cross the moron-infested miasma of Twitch, the only way between random ecelebs. Vast discords give battle in his name on uncounted websites. Greatest among his soldiers are the Shadowbabies, the MSQgays, turbo-autistic mega-fans. Their comrades in arms are legion: Limsa idlers and countless night club venue players, the ever vigilant Venatschizos and the pedophiles of the Lalafell playerbase to name only a few. But for all their multitudes, they are barely enough to hold off the ever-present threat from wowgays, zodiark trancers, doomsissies – and worse.
>To be a FFXIV player in such times is to be one amongst untold schizophrenics. It is to play the slowest and least interesting visual novel imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget pet mechanics and manual boss positioning, for so much has been removed, never to be added back. Forget the promise of class variety and skill expression, for in the homogenized casualized future there is only the MSQ. There is no depth amongst the duties, only an eternity of looking forward to it, and the laughter of SE shareholders.
Are you guys being honest when you say the game really starts after A Realm Reborn? ARR is so boring... I would be willing to accept how boring the actual game is if any other human being playing the game would talk to me in-game
The gameplay and questing experience never actually gets better. The storyline slowly improves and eventually becomes somewhat decent, but the story pacing is always extremely slow, and questing will still largely consist of extended periods of zero combat.
>I would be willing to accept how boring the actual game is if any other human being playing the game would talk to me in-game
there's a surprising number of people who want the game to be completely soloable so they don't have to play with or talk to anyone in an MMO
me
The story gets better after ARR, the gameplay is roughly the same loop if you're just doing the MSQ.
If you're looking for social interaction join a Free Company, for the most part people just don't talk to others outside free companies.
A lot of free companies don't even talk within the free company.
Pretty much, this is how it is between content droughts.
>join /xivg/ fc
>chat is mostly one esl blogging and crying about him repeatedly getting banned for avatarhomosexualry
>trannies
>getting banned on /vg/
impossible
Aside from the "story" expansions are even worse gameplay wise
Play WoW moron, XIV is a dead troon game and you're getting groomed
>jump from this trooner groomer game to this groomer trooner game
Sorry troony but I am playing Palworld like a chad.
I did actually start playing WoW Classic a little while ago and already like it more, which is a shame because a Final Fantasy game that shamelessly rips off a lot of stuff from WoW actually sounds, on paper, like something I should be into.
If you are in primal go to lamia. It's arguably the most beginner friendly world and their NN is really chatty. To answer your question yes it does. If there are some aspects you are enjoying of the game so far then I'd say stick to it. HW just makes them better
I'll give it a shot. It's just been such a strange experience, playing an MMO and seeing the majority of the players I encounter just idling in major cities, and the ones I do see out while leveling won't even emote back at me
It's funny because it doesn't. ARR has a lot of relevancy to the plot but shadowbabs told people to skip everything until their shotty expansion.
ARR patches has some kino and HW is okay but it's all downhill after 3.3
don't play the game for the story
>DRG in Frontline
how the frick is it that SMN gets nerfed but not DRG? DRG shreds entire groups to paste with no effort
Melee privilege
if only DRG was that dominate and not just part of a FL death squad
The same reason DRK wasn’t touched for 2 years
>Woke LeMutt
Really funny how hard this game fell off, literally zero discussion about it on Ganker and every time you try and make a thread it only gets a few replies.
>Most popular MMO
my ass.
>not the first post by this ip
doomsissies are so dumb and lazy
You're dum
Day 3 of trying to clear Singularity Reactor. People still bad and now are mad. Got blacklisted by some Hispanic.
God help me.
PF sucks so bad at this fight now, even reclears are a struggle. Why did you get blacklisted?
I died because I didn't get healed. Got rezzed, waited a solid second to get healed, died to the raidwide due to not getting healed again. Party leader got salty at me and I told him off. Some guy left after the next wipe and the Hispanic then kicked half the group and blacklisted the ones he kicked.
maybe don't keep getting hit next time
I will try not to get hit by unavoidable mechanics, anon.
Wait the full 5 seconds, sometimes healers have other priorities
That's fine and I agree. The issue is that people do not know this fight and suck at their class. I died due to the latter. And I haven't been able to clear this fight, on account of not being around when it was released, so I'm stuck with the dregs. It's an easy fight overall but these guys cannot handle it.
Yeah. Week 1-2 PF was great and now you have tards in reclear parties who don't even know their clockspot, who greed on gazes and walk into the wall, etc
thighlander booty
...
My irl cat does that.
>500 replies of discord raiders replying to themselves with copy paste talking points
>they have been doing this since shadowbringers
You thought these threads are organic?
hahahahahaha
And it will keep happening.
Reminder that SHB was a mistake and XIV will NEVER be the same.
call them for what they are
speak the demon's true name
ZODIARK TRANCE
Talk about something else and don't feed the trolls then. What's your favourite fight and why? How difficult/easy will PCT and VPR be compared to other jobs in their role?
>VPR
RPR 2.0 and completely useless
>PCT
The go-to caster from now on. Easier to play than BLM for similar damage because it's not weighed down by rez tax.
PCT has a lot of potential and the one I'm interested in, but we'll see how it and VPR actually play in May or June with the media tour. Got a long way until August when DT releases.
>RPR 2.0
3.0, Nu-DRG is RPR 2.0.
DRG will be MNK 2.0. You collect two eyes and you get to jump. Jump three times and you get to super jump.
Ravana because he was cool
I think Pictomancer will be mega simple but not as ungabunga as non-BLM casters
Viper will probably be decently complicated, but Ninja is arguably one of the more APM-minded jobs already so I’m unsure of how they’ll differ.
>How difficult/easy will PCT and VPR be compared to other jobs in their role?
They said Reaper would also be complex and it ended up being the most braindead shit ever, so I'm expecting it to end up right next to RPR in terms of complexity.
PCT will probably be the second easiest caster. It actually having cast times already makes it more interesting than SMN, but it's never going to be as complex as BLM, or even RDM.
>BLM
>complex
compared to other casters, and other jobs its complex.
Right, but the bar is so low.
can we talk about hyur men
hyur men aren't into trannies
It's Friday, surely everyone is getting ready for some Friday night FFXIV gaming. Perhaps some EX runs? Treasure maps perhaps? Or just chilling with island grinding while posting.
I'm gonna play ranked and hate myself because Primal is a terrible DC but my friends are here and I don't want to redo my FC room.
Same reasons I'm still on Primal. I will continue to make PFs here
I'm doing roulettes!
Done with the islands a long time ago, slowly leveling crinja now.
i am taking my bunny dude through stormblood and i miss yda already
>hyur-leg-having viera secondaries
I'm still on 5.2 so I'm finishing eden's verse normal and starting the trial questline
I'm spending gil to get my crafters leveled and I don't like watching my number go down. Even if it'll go back up again later once I get around to buying and selling shit.
now imagine how this feels irl where you can't just asspull money out of thin air unless it's ~~*dunefolk*~~
Doing some roulettes and completing my sightseeing log. I would do Ex trials but I don't give a hoot about mounts and quite frankly, none of the EW fights were fun.
While I think the mounts are pretty sucky, I really enjoyed Barbie, Golbez, and several of the savages.
I'll be leveling my alt's black mage and machinist jobs while debating whether or not I want to continue the Eureka leveling experience.
Any FSHers here, Ganker?
Sidereal Whale escaped.
I've not been going at it hard and I already caught one (the Garlemald fish) so doing pretty well. Whale looks like a fun pain
Lore wise you knew Haurchefant for like a week. I wish they would stop pretending it was some life changing moment.
Based but Haurchefant need only truly be known for 2 hours to determine that he's (was) best boy.
He was also a huge sexpest regardless if your WoL was male or female. His death would've been cheered if not for the ARR localization.
If you removed raid buffs you could make every job as wacky as you wanted rotation wise. All you'd have to do is change some potencies around to rebalance it.
The argument against it is that you'd lose synergy and it would feel even more like a singleplayer raiding experience
even better
preparation for when they introduce raid trusts
that's kind of what the playerbase wants though, for years, the game has been making it possible to solo through the majority of content
Imagine if you could play DNC and adjust your dance timings based on your partner's burst timing. Ludo
"Not-South America" felt pretty lukewarm but JP fanfest gave me cyberpunk town and steampunk far west frontier to look forward to.
I know I really shouldn't given the nature of FFXIV but this expac really has tonal whiplash. Tribal south america, then for some reason a wild west train station, and then of course the train goes to a cyberpunk utopia
definitely shouldn't
>ARR starting areas to a pre-fabricated, drop shipped imperial fortress
>french renaissance castle-city to an allagan research facility several miles into the air
>weebland to i guess ala mhigo in stormblood
>an inversion of eorzea to an art-deco atlantis in shadowbringers
>the outskirts of garlemald to a hailstorm of dead planets at the edge of the universe in endwalker
People unironically think when the "wild west" was a thing, souh america was supposed to be full of savages living in tents and mud houses. But again people are moronic and don't care about history.
>People unironically think when the "wild west" was a thing, souh america was supposed to be full of savages living in tents and mud houses.
It was and still is
le ebic meme fellow Gankerer.
cyberpunk more like corposlop
imagine liking this ugly ass artstyle
no way
one day i WILL see this lalafell taking hyur wiener
>Church bad
ita true tho.
t.mad his mom took him every Sunday afternoon when all he wanted to do was play vidya or sleep in
Yeah, it was an enormous waste of time. I had zero interest in adult santa claus and still don't.
You'll grow up someday.
It's actually the opposite. Believing in magic and santa claus is for children. You grow out of those things, not into them.
>admitting his understanding of religion never evolved past a 5 year old's
Go ahead and demonstrate to me how magic is real. That's the first step toward getting anyone to take your laughable worldview seriously.
Read Aquinas
Anon, if you're too stupid to convey Aquinas' arguments in your own words, just say so.
I'm not, I'm just not going to sit here and do it in a FFXIV thread. Take responsibility for yourself and read Aquinas.
>I'm not
Sounds like you are. I accept your concession.
>mental 5 year old is also a smug homosexual arguing in bad faith
Just read Aquinas.
Anon, the most bad faith argument possible is "read X book so I don't have to make an argument". You are a textbook mental midget.
It's really not hard, just read Aquinas.
I accept your concession.
Maybe some day I'll get an organized religion that doesn't try to ignore Jesus was sent to earth to live as a man in favor of worshiping him as a god
Catholicism exists :^)
>implying you even read my fricking post
you ever gonna post the lewd stuff?
Who is the FFXIV equivalent of Thomas Aquinas?
Hildibrand Manderville.
>Do Troia
>Get to final boss
>FFIV theme starts playing
>get to Rubicante
>get the best version
KINNOOOO
>Yahweh Trancers randomly start spamming the FFXIV thread with their headcanons.
I liked the blatantly not reading a "WHY DIDN'T THEY ALL DIE AND BECOME DESPAIR MONSTERS" counterargument and then getting mad he was dismissed out of hand and comparing it to being called a cutscene skipper which he has almost certainly been called before
WoWrats that watch cutscenes on Youtube and try to """debate""" about the story regardless should be hanged
>The only reason people disagree with me about FFXIV's story is because... WORLD OF WARCRAFT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Huh????
>I'M GOING TO QUOTE JUST THE HALF OF THE SENTENCE THAT MAKES YOU LOOK SILLY ON ITS OWN AND NOT THE OTHER HALF THAT MAKES IT A COHERENT THOUGHT!!!!
>eceleb dicksucking meme
I HATE SHADOWBABIES
I HATE SHADOWBABIES
I HATE SHADOWBABIES
Nobody said they should all die and become despair monsters, the poster just said the Scions should have struggled against the dynamis bombardment.
It makes zero sense for any of them to except Urianger which is why he fricking kills himself
You make zero sense
Write more silly greentexts
Urianger kills himself at the end when everyone else is doing the same. Why wasn't he struggling when the bombardment first hit even though he was suicidal and trying to cope with having to face Moenbryda's parents? Because Endwalker was rushed and poorly written.
I expect everyone in class to have read Aquinas by next thread.
why are people still posting ffxiv vs. wow memes from 2021?
they cause instant butthurt still
FFXIV player identity and self-worth revolves around feeling superior to other games, especially games FFXIV shamelessly copied like WoW.