>Someone managed to write a better Hydaelyn Trial scene than the actual writers of Endwalker
https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitpostXIV/comments/x11a6x/why_is_the_shitposting_community_sleeping_on/
Original was deleted by the fricking VENAT WORSHIPING r/ffxiv mods.
NINTENDO
>reddit
unironically looks better than most of the game's real cutscenes
i wish i knew what shader preset that was
saved
Cringe
can someone redpill me on this meme like it just doesn't seem bad enough to garner the contempt it gets
It manages to get basically the entire premise of Azem wrong, up to and including him telling both Zodiark's summoning AND Hydaelyn's summoning to frick off, and it's all a huge cope about Hydaelyn not turning out to be a villain or having any negative motives whatsoever.
>Venat was an evil genocidal maniac for Sundering the world in order to ensure the future timeline was not fricked by a paradox and we would cease to exist, along with ensuring the world doesn't end up like the Plenty, and we have the chance to stand against the Endsinger because the Ancients couldn't manipulate dynamis yet the Sundered could, and yet still expressed remorse for what she did in the end
>Literal textbook grey morality situation
>Meanwhile Emet somehow did nothing wrong and was perfectly justified in genociding several worlds full of millions of people, and was planning one more final solution to bring back those who were already long dead and damn millions of non-ancient-soul people to eternal purgatory within Zodiark, going as far as to justify his actions by saying "lol ur ltierally not people from my POV so it doesn't matter.
>Showed absolutely zero remorse for anything he did even in the very end in Ultimate Thule, just acknowledged begrudgingly that he lost.
>Somehow Venat is the bad guy here
>Venat, who committed what proved in the end to be a necessary evil to ensure our continued existence (we literally would not exist if she didn't sunder the world) and the salvation of the entire universe and still expressed remorse is somehow in the wrong here
Do Ascian gays really believe this?
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RonTheDeathEater
>because the Ancients couldn't manipulate dynamis
This is the only thing you're wrong about. The Ancients could manipulate dynamis, they just didn't even know it existed. Much like modern Eorzeans manipulate dynamis in their magic but had no idea that akasa was even a thing.
No, they couldn't manipulate dynamis. Their aether was too dense, hence why Meteion was given extremely thin aether.
Their aether was too dense for dynamis to penetrate them. That doesn't mean the dynamis around them wasn't reacting to their emotions, as proven by Meteion and the elpis flowers reacting appropriately.
Influencing and manipulating are different things. Dynamis to ancients is pretty close to what aether is to Garleans. They can create proxies to interact with dynamis, but cannot directly do so.
The Nier collab written by Ishikawa confirms the Ancient magic functions just like modern magic does, that being emotions/faith shaping aether by interacting with dynamis as a medium. They were manipulating it, just not consciously. Just like the sundered, they took the ability of emotion to shape aether as an innate quality of aether itself and not another energy acting on it.
Ancient and modern magic are in a different class, and "modern" magic only became a thing after the 1st calamity
Anyone here to feels remorse for eating meat is a homosexual like Hermes. Humans are the superior species of this world and we'll treat all other living creatures as it pleases us.
>expresses remorse
>billions of people die for twelve thousand years
>doesn't even tell anyone about the truth with how much freedom she has post-Zodiark
She told the Sharlayans.
that's literally hat the lopporits were for.
Emetgays and Venatgays are both wrong. Zenoschads are the only group that's in the right.
>be born with brain damage
>spend your entire life operating with said damage
>come to understand only a very distorted version of reality
>die
Zenos was just a dumb mutt chasing after cars.
>come to understand only a very distorted version of reality
Cope. Like Zenos said, what meaning there is to be found in your life is up to you and you alone. The meaning he or anyone else choses to derive is not more or less valid than your own.
Nah, you can choose a really dumb meaning to life.
dumb according to what standard
based if you replace Yotsuyu with Fordola
Zenos was the MC of his own game that we never played. He can connect with WoL because he knows how that feels and he sees how we're going through the same thing.
His version of reality is closer to our version than anyone else's
>spends a ton of time just sitting around
pretty boring game
Most of the stuff he did was offscreen, like how he became a reaper.
>like how he became a reaper.
He literally sat in a chair and told Danny to go get him a voidsent.
I don't think you can say literally when it comes to speculating.
Obviously Fandaniel assembled an entire harem of Voidsent to be slowly and surely weeded out over the course of several weeks filled with intimate encounters until only one was left.
In the end it came down to Diabolos and Zero, but Diabolos wouldn't stop talking about his ex, who he cannibalized.
You mean how he walked through a bunch of weapons Fandaniel picked for him? Or how Fandaniel enthralled a voidsenr for him? Or do you mean his off-screen wardrobe changes? The only noteworthy thing he ever did was kill Varis. This whole "he's literally me" shit is some cringe chuuni shit that is always fricking embarrassing to read.
Lol, the ONLY thing.
How about the time he defeated you and your friends or the time he literally turned into the WoL (no symbolism there), or the time he turned into A FRICKING DRAGON, DEVOURED THE MOTHER CRYSTAL AND BROKE THE UNIVERSE to fight the last boss with you.
You're a fricking idiot, you didn't play the game, just stop talking, you
ya i dont even know what the moron-fight over other subjects is...Just moral-gay spat war
Venat is a woman. Gankerirgins despise women. Therefore Venat is the most evil villain in all of gaming.
Anon, I think you misunderstand. While Venat may be a woman she is a based woman so the hating doesn't come from Gankerirgins but rather from women, homosexuals and trannies that have been hating on her since day 1. They just can't cope with a woman being this based.
wow that looks terrible. like someone just shit on his face
>Woe is me, what is visual storytelling
The American public education system right here
Still looks like shit though
>mericans actually this stupid
Well, they elected a literal schizo in diapers who's been involved in politics for the better part of a decade and patted themselves on the back for fighting the system.
the fact that I can't even tell who exactly you're talking about makes it funnier
You'd better see a doctor if your shit looks like tar.
>race traitor that genocided her owne people for the sake of cavemen and furhomosexuals
>based
Rope % neck anyime.
>trad bootlicker gleefully defends the honor of a societal dead-end
wrong I want to impregnate her
You can't impregnate aether
Blatantly and provably false.
they do, and that makes it even funnier
venat won in the end and their seethe will be eternal
>blah blah blah morality
Venat did it all because she loved (you), the tiny little gigachad from the future.
loved the person she knew for a day
>Venat was an evil genocidal maniac for Sundering the world in order to ensure the future timeline was not fricked by a paradox and we would cease to exist, along with ensuring the world doesn't end up like the Plenty, and we have the chance to stand against the Endsinger because the Ancients couldn't manipulate dynamis yet the Sundered could, and yet still expressed remorse for what she did in the end
This will never make sense. Because she clearly sundered the world before the threat of a paradox. It's just absolutely shit writing to suggest the paradox created itself and then had to fix itself all throughout time.
Do you really not get how a timeloop works?
Listing the fact that theres a timeloop as a reason for character choices is just boring as frick though because it removes all agency from the character.
I get how it works, I'm saying it's a shitty trope to try to explain something that otherwise makes absolutely no sense. The past engineers a future that can't exist unless the future interferes with the past.
It's the established form of time travel that has been in place since heavensward. Did you complain about alexander as well?
they likely skipped any and all mention of it, pretty much every person who doesn't understand the story skipped it
Yes, I also thought Alexander was ridiculous for using the same trope.
Stop playing final fantasy then. Time travel is a common trope of the series, and tropes are not inherently bad just because the internet told you it was.
>and tropes are not inherently bad just because the internet told you it was
He didn't say it was bad because it was a trope, he just implied the trope itself was bad.
Time travel is fine if it's Shadowbringers style. As long as a new timeline is created rather than a closed loop then there's no issue.
Shadowbringers wasn't time travel. It was a combination of time travel and dimension hopping. It is incomparable. It took hundreds of years to develop that tech, and it is objectively a deus ex machina.
In the context of FFXIV sure, but when it comes to media there's typically two ways time travel is handled. Alexander was one and ShB was another.
>trope
Frick off Anita.
Frick what the internet says, I think the way Final Fantasy handles it is hamfisted and shitty compared to something like Legacy of Kain. That's my opinion.
design better time travel that isnt open to massive plotholes and paradoxes. Im waiting.
Steins;Gate
Dragon Ball Z
Primer if you're insistent on single timeline travel
Anyone can time travel if you try really hard except if you go back in time to help yourself you have to do the work twice so nobody does it because that's a lot of effort
>It's just absolutely shit writing to suggest the paradox created itself and then had to fix itself all throughout time.
How can you call the writing shit while simultaneously not understanding what closed loop time travel is?
Don't most Asciangays think what the Ascians did was fricked up but the reasons why they did it are very understandable? That's more of the point right? Alphinaud basically agrees with them but also wants to stop them because he happens to be the on the side getting destroyed.
rejoininggays are a different animal all together
>6.2 lodestode story is about how venat was fine with zodiark until the ancients decided it was time to use animals aether to resurrect real people
>she goes full eco terrorist and doom humanity because she fricked her dog and wanted people to become beastmen
yes we already know venat was a woman, what's your point
Well Venatgays? Are you ready to denounce abortion?
I'm against abortion but only because it's a women's rights issue
Yes
>preventing abortion
Also, why do you fricks read this shit at the smallest font possible?
I just use the default font size, grandpa.
what am I supposed to be seeing here
A text size for people who don't want eyestrain.
whatever you say grampa
It think it's cause he's using mods that change what his gear looks like the game refuses to take a picture of it, incase it's weird sex stuff.
If I remember on release of the adventurer plate thing since it took the picture player/client side it would show the mods which caused a whole bunch stuff and made SQ change it to work how I described in the first paragraph.
I don't think that actually happened
I think it's different because that's the individual whereas for venat everyone had to die so that humans could be made and destroy a threat would destroy them.
Individually it's kind of inconsequential on a collective level liek that..
So what I've gathered is that the anti-Venat argument basically boils down to moralizing the writers for having a fictional character commit what they percieve to be genocide and not be condemned by everyone in the story including the writers themselves? Do these people not understand the entire point of grey morality fiction? This is hardly the first time FFXIV has made us sympathize with someone who comitted a horrible atrocity and that character not ever receve the repurcussions they arguably deserve (Gaius being a big example of this).
>Gaius being a big example of this
Gaius LITERALLY never did anything wrong.
he trusted *sci*ns
In his defense, the majority of people think the Ascians are just a coven of extremely powerful wizards that ate their own shadows for more power. He didn't know they were interdimensional liches.
he also didn't know his boss and the guy "secretly" helping him conquer Eorzea were working together
he had sex with his foster daughter
>but she initiated it
he still did it
>implying that was wrong
Grown-out husband/wife is the best thing ever.
Like he said, nothing wrong
If Venat was grey then I'd agree but she isn't. She's praised by both other characters and in game meta text like the description of the Venat minion. The only person that chastises her is herself.
>The only person that chastises her is herself.
Omega does too and that questline gives you a choice to say she was wrong.
havent done it yet tbh so Ill take your word for it
I wouldn't be surprised if we meet an anti-Hydaelyn group at some point (that are incapable of causing rejoinings themselves) but I think it's too soon in the story for that.
>Gaius being a big example of this
Didn't gaius get alot of repercussions with everything blowing up in his face, his country rejecting and trying to kill him and losing like 90%of all the people he cared for whilst trying to rectify his mistakes.
really his biggest crime was being born in the wrong country whilst trying to make the world a better place or more so putting blind faith in the wrong institution I suppose.
>This is hardly the first time FFXIV has made us sympathize with someone who comitted a horrible atrocity
Of fricking please. After Gauis exited the narrative in ARR, the devs have made all their villains out to be moustache-twirling super Hitlers. There was hardly any nuance to them save for maybe Yotsuyu; they were just straight up cartoonishly evil up until Shadowbringers.
>nidhogg was cartoonishly evil
>thordan was cartoonishly evil
Are you fricking moronic?
>Thordan was a humble man who tempered himself because he was so desperate to end the war
>Ilberd was 100% correct and forced Eorzea to go to war with Garlemald because they never would have otherwise
>Fordola is just fighting for her country because she believed in Gaius's ideals
???
Shes murdering her former countrymen because to her the strongest people must be right. Her entire character was "Im helping the Garleans now because they're clearly winning."
yes, shes a typical woman. the greatest of villains.
No, her entire character is that she was personally mentored by Gaius who instilled the belief that anyone who contributes to Garlemald is a proper Garlean and will be treated with respect. So she was fighting people who were terrorists from her point of view because she believed doing her part would help her people be accepted. She bought into his ideals and didn't realize how fricked it would be once he was no longer viceroy.
despite the fact that she saw with her own eyes most of the rest of the empire higher ups DIDN'T live up to Gaius' ideals. In fact I struggle to find anyone other than Gaius and Regula who had a proper sense of noblesse oblige.
>"Im helping the Garleans now because they're clearly winning."
Its less that and more "The Garleans have already won, and I'm doing what I must to become an equal in this system, no matter what"
Frick Ilberd. I would have watched Ala Mhigo burn longer under Empire control. I wish I had the option to let them all die.
ilberd set in motion a sequence of events that led to us defeating twitter. he was the true hero.
Not really. It's the gay cat that does it. Illberds actions set off another calamity. That and Zenos being in Ala Mhigo means that he would have started shit eventually for the sake of the hunt.
As long as Ala Mhigan scum gets fricked over more who cares? Entitled b***h nations don't deserve help.
If the calamity never happened fujocat never would have needed to bring you to the first, meaning Emet wouldn't have been dealt with and we wouldn't have learned about anything to do with Ancient society or Meteion
The conflict would have happened regardless of what Illberd did. He happened to be the start of it this time but it was always going to happen.
You can go back even further and say that the Empire taking over Ala Mhigo started the whole thing. Or the world's getting sundered. It all adds up into it. As I said the war would have happened no matter what, it just happened to be Illberd who set it off.
All this said I just really fricking hate all Ala Mhigans aside from Rhauban. I did not want to save them and they deserved all the shit that happened to them for being absolutely useless pieces of shit. Frick them and frick all of them.
Ilberds actions resulted in the black rose timeline that led the gay cat and ironworks descendants to cause shadowbringers to happen. No matter how you cut it, ilberd played an important, no, PIVOTAL role in the salvation of the universe via both unifying the eorzean alliance, sending us off to stormblood, and thereby continuing unto shadowbringers and endwalker.
by this logic momodi is the real hero of the universe because they put you on the path towards meeting the scions
Yes, I don't mind that either. based lalafell christmas cake.
Ilberd's actions DIRECTLY led to us saving the entire universe
He's a hero and I will not stand for you talking bad about him
Illberd is single-handedly responsible for the salvation of the universe.
Alexander saved the universe, Ilberd was merely a tool to achieve that
We wouldn't have had access to Alex if Ilberd's scheme didn't force us to go to Ishgard
It was never Ilberds scheme moron.
Alexander okayed the plan because he knew that it'd lead to the universe's salvation
Alexander is a fricking Madlad of a Primal
>saw that his existence would destroy the star, arranged for his own destruction
>was likely involved in the black rose timeline stuff
>responsible for the Xaela creation myth, if not the entire Au'ra race
>responsible for the Xaela creation myth, if not the entire Au'ra race
wait, what?
The myth of the Dawn Father and Dusk Mother has striking similarities to what happens at the end of the Alexander raid series, where the Machinist Au'ra girl is reunited with her lover and Alex sends them both back in time, allegedly to the Azim Steppe
how many more fricking closed loops are we gonna discover
Hardly "likely," the Tycoon is a magitek Ironworks recreation of Alexander used for time manipulation
What did the rest of Alexander even look like? Did he have legs?
Eorzea staying in their bubble and refusing to face Garlemald was equivalent to the Ancients wanting to remain in their Zodiark bubble and pretend everything was good and fine. Ilberd was right to force them to go to war.
Garlemald would have roflstomped a mudhole in Eorzea's ass if they tried going to war with it.
Eorzea beat the empire's ass. Did you see the Ghimlyt Dark?
Erozea won because of WoL. WoL singlehandedly killed or incapacitated Garlean top brass at several Castri, WoL took out the Ultima Weapon, WoL took out the Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald weapons, WoL took out Garlean military research base headed by Aulus mal Asina, WoL literally carried the fricking Eorzea on his shoulders, WoL rallied the steppe tribes by installing Cirina as a pseudo ruler by winning Danshig Nadam, I could go on.
there's a reason why everyone calls you the champion of Eorzea. Surprised you don't have throngs of fanboys and dripping wet catgirls following your every move
The only reason we don't is because barely anyone actually knows what we look like since there's no cameras and most people who aren't our friends have a tendency to disappear when we're doing our big hero shit
There's one bun that lights up at the sight of WoL. But this is probably because scions went to painstaking lengths to make sure people are at arms length when it comes to seeing you during whatever downtime you get because then you'd never get any peace.
>downtime
HAHAHAHAHA, good one. WoL NEVER gets to rest.
>WoL NEVER gets to rest.
speak for yourself
I desire to mate with him.
You get SOME downtime, like between major story patches when the npc's tell you to just go and do whatever, but knowing WoL he just gets up to more world saving business during said downtime.
I beg to differ
breasts too small.
That's as big as they get without mods
Indeed
>during whatever downtime you get because then you'd never get any peace.
In my autistic headcanon my WoL and Y'shtola frick like rabbits and have a heated relationship in downtimes, trying to keep it secret for everyone else.
G'raha is seething a little.
>Your enemy vastly outnumbers you and has two whole continents under their knee
>The man mainly responsible for wanting to invade went breasts up in old age
>Guy who replaces him is too busy securing his right to the throne to looks outward, and has shown little interest in continuing conquest
>"Hurr lets kicks the hornet's nest and see what happens!"
the resistance/alliance would also have been crushed outright had anyone other than a bored combatsexual obsessed with his "hunt" been running things.
The only reason Ala Mhigo is even free right now is because Zenos doesn't give a shit.
If Garlemald actually had its shit together and didn't go to Civil War every time the throne is vacant, I'm sure Eorzea would be under their thumb.
The only really cartoonishly evil villain was Zenos, Thordan and Nidhogg both had reasons for their actions (The eyes were originally taken because the original King Thordan feared what would happen when Midgardsormr passed down stewardshipto Nidhogg, who didn't have a positive view of mortals and wanted the power to fight back if need be, and in doing so only enforced Nidhoggs negstive views), but were consumed by revenge.
Nidhogg didn't just not have a positive view of mortals, he outright sent Ratatoskr to tell King Thordan "hey I don't trust any of you so get ready for when Midgard fricks off because I'm going to take over and rule over you guys so you don't frick things up" then did the surprised pikachu face when they didn't take that message so well.
I love the new information around Nidhogg that he didn't behave much differently even before the Dragonsong War, it makes him being completely insane a bit more subtle with an overview of his life.
Alphinaud keeps nudie drawings of Y'shtola around, if the other Scions get to keep skeletons in their closets we get to keep ours.
Yeah, I like that it doesn't really do anything to justify the (original) Thordan's actions, but it also makes it less black and white when Nidhogg is also partially responsible for what happened.
I'm a huge Venat gay, with that said abortion is murder and anyone involved in any way is a murderer, that's it.
>all these replies of people pretending to give a shit about any life, potential or existing
And if the right actually did give a shit about life, they wouldn't be doing everything they can to give all of the money to the rich while destroying all of the social safety systems of the country so that 99% of the population of the country either starves to death or murders each other for food.
leave
Says the one who started sharting himself about abortion in a FFXIV thread.
Since you're too autistic to realize, I'll just explain to you that the point of the post is to showcase the absurdity the Venat/Zodiark debate has gotten to and how moronic the OF is. Now take your /misc/shit and frick off.
Maybe but you can see where they're coming from. Venat is basically about choosing potential over the present homosexualry. Zodiark gays are basically about choosing a false idol and yeeting themselves. This is basically one part of the modern right vs. left debate reduced to the absurd.
>so that 99% of the population of the country either starves to death or murders each other for food
that kind of suffering is exactly what venat wants though
I oppose abortion on the principle that women should not have the right to chose because women are unable to make sound decisions. Giving women power is like giving a gun to a monkey.
>If you believe that Venat's argument is right and that the potentiality of future life supercedes the survival of existing life
For one, this isn't her argument. Didn't expect a forumposter to understand that though.
Secondly, the fetus is objectively already alive. The only logical alternative is that it's dead, which it clearly isn't. It's not "the potential for future life".
Going further, the mainstream anti-abortion argument lies in the premise that that living organism is human from the moment it started living, not the moment it exits the womb.
This guy's already assumed the pro-abortion premise that the fetus is "potential life" in asking his moronic question.
>For one, this isn't her argument. Didn't expect a forumposter to understand that though.
It's not her main argument but many debates on the themes will lead down this road eventually. I'm sure you've seen threads where the question gets brought up: "Is the sundering a good thing because it creates more things to enjoy life?"
how do people not fricking get venat's argument is "we have a 0% chance of survival as an idyllic utopia and if i turn it into a shithole with a 1% chance of survival, that is better than 0%"
Because the game doesn't do enough to present her argument as being true while tripping over itself to portray her character favorably.
>the game doesn't do enough to present her argument as being true
the entire game up to that point and every ascian conquered is a presentation of her argument that her sundered, degenerated manlings are made of sterner stuff than her own race
how do you not get this
Utter nonsense, the sundered denegerated manlings needed to be carried on the shoulders of a member of the convocation eight times rejoined to manage anything. They only managed to exist in the first place because of the sacrifice of the ancients and creation of Zodiark giving them borrowed time to live on.
The Plenty is a midwit for two reasons. The first being that all civilizations eventually reach that stage, so using it as an argument against the civilization of the ancients is moronic because Allag and Mhach both came close to that. The second is that the culture of the ancients treated death as a new beginning and went to it peacefully to live again while the inhabitants of The Plenty just wanted to cease to be forever.
>a member of the convocation eight times rejoined
everyone else on eitherys is seven times rejoined. What does one extra rejoining matter? We're explicitly not even the strongest convocation member, our job was literally to travel. We're the fricking PR guy.
>We're explicitly not even the strongest convocation member
Azem by far had the most combat experience of all the convocation members, the seat of Azem is literally the murderhobo seat. And that one extra rejoining made all the difference given that before Ardbert was added you were about to shit your pants containing all that lightwarden aether.
The seat of Azem is only the murderhobo seat because a murderhobo occupied it. Venat was by-and-large just a traveler by her own testimony.
Elidibus is the PR guy, essentially, yes. He does arbitrate as a neutral party in arguments and proceedings, though, and has enough authority that he can get Lahabrea to shut the hell up for a few moments.
Isn't Elidibus the PR guy? We just go explore and find things going on in the world. I never got the impression that Azem was the weakest either.
>a member of the convocation
Azem told them to do a flip when they started summoning Zodiark. Azem forma de la swiss cheese also needs help from those sundered degenerated manlings to accomplish anything with a longer-term goal, because he is still human and can beat things up extremely well, but is only one man.
Rejoining is not a power level, it's soul density. Quit quoting Emet-Selch, the game tells you he was coping and didn't believe a thing coming out of his mouth.
>The second is that the culture of the ancients treated death as a new beginning
They also treated death as "retirement" and openly shushed and belittled attempts to refer to it as death, which we saw on-screen with Hermes. They are not arguable as a healthy society and have extremely naive opinions and viewpoints on the subject of death, largely because they believe death doesn't apply to them in the longer term simply because they know reincarnation is a thing.
>because he is still human and can beat things up extremely well, but is only one man.
>every primal you beat the shit out of remarks that you are no mere mortal
>Thordan literally sees your ancient shade instead of you moments before death
>WoL wins wars and destroys entire armies singlehandedly
Please.
"He is only one man" and "He is a god slayer" are not contradictory statements.
>Thordan literally sees your ancient shade
Thordan saw you as something more than human or less than human, Amaurot and all that may or may not have even been concepted in development at that time given Ascian Prime.
?t=63
this is what thordan saw
>They are not arguable as a healthy society
From the standpoint of someone that lives maybe 70 years tops, sure. For someone that lives potentially eternally death is a good way out of boredom, especially since their science had discovered that all life circulates through the planet and they lived in harmony with the world. It makes sense for their culture to be that way.
>death is a good way out of boredom,
Okay so the Final Days should have been no problem for them in the short-term. Death is impermanent. Except that's not how it shook down at all, when Death wasn't a factor they had strict control over they broke down mentally and emotionally.
The Final Days made the planet uninhabitable, it wasn't the cost of ancients life that was the issue, at first.
It would absolutely be the cost of life at first, the planet didn't become uninhabitable overnight. Emet-Selch's account of Amaurot through the zone and sidequests shows it was already in progress elsewhere.
To our knowledge that's only the sundered Final Days that completely erases souls (it isn't commented on by Emet-Selch). Ancients were too aetherically dense to be snuffed out by dynamis, but Meteion could frick with their magic and take it away from them.
I assume their souls also get fricked because they still get the same black and white death swirl around them that the sundered get.
I dunno if they would be, since they're too dense to be transformed against their will. I feel that implies the Terminus monsters aren't enough dynamis to snuff their souls out, probably until they start getting bigger or move onto something like the Chthonic monsters that were glassing the planet.
They had a problem with the End of Days since their souls actually died and didn't rejoin the life stream correct? That was the big problem, not the whole dying part. That and the planet was getting actually destroyed and not just them dying. They had to do that second sacrifice because even they could fix how fricked up the planet got.
The Plenty literally shows she was 100% right, they were basically the exact same society and they got wiped out
Didn't they kill themselves due to Metion showing up and asking her question? They didn't have any plans to do that before she showed up as far as we know.
if your society collapses because a little girl asks you a question you're not a healthy society
A little girl from space. But yeah, she did frick over the freedom fighters universe though with her question too.
Her question didn't even have anything to do with it there, the faction she happened to interact with first via pure chance just used her "choosing" them to ask her question to as proof that they were the good guys and started a war over it.
I forgot that bit. She still fricked them over by appearing kinda. I still choose to blame Hermes.
If Hermes hadn't sent her out they wouldn't have had a pretense to start a war, but who knows if they wouldn't have just found another one.
I still say blame Hermes because he's a Black person.
they ignored her question and took it as a sign that intelligent life from another world chose their side to appear to, emboldening them to cull the freedom fighter faction, which resulted in what we saw in the dead ends. meteion's question had nothing to do with it
Basically.
They'd done everything, and were simply -existing-.
Meteion pops down and goes "hey, why do you guys live?"
And they all went "...frick. Why do we?" and created Ra La to end it.
They started doing it because "we don't actually have anything to live for" was the answer as a species that they gave to her question. They achieved a perfect society and had nowhere further up to go, so continuing was pointless, in their view.
No, they were already killing themselves before, at most she just sped things up a bit
>Because the game doesn't do enough to present her argument as being true
Ancients never figured out time travel
Ancients never figured out planar travel
Ancients never discovered life on other planets
Ancient society had no way to handle dissent within its ranks or depression
Ancient society pressured people into committing ritualistic suicide instead of retiring
Ancient society was so obsessed with creation magics that they weren't able to think of any other solutions to problems besides creating something to deal with it for them or just nuking everything and starting over
Ancient society was uncaring about loss of life even when it wasn't willful suicide as shown by the Azem volcano short story, calling it "the natural way of things" while having a society centered around cutting their own lives unnaturally short
Ancient society was so obsessed with work that they were unable to conceive of having a purpose to life beyond work
Ancient society was so underequipped to handle depression that one depressed moron accidentally the entire universe (nearly)
Ancient society was so underequipped to handle hardship of any kind that they got utterly and completely BTFO by the Final Days instantly while a bunch of goatfricking poo in loos were able to get through it without much issue
Ancient society was so underequipped to handle hardship of any kind that in spite of each individual wielding godlike power, they couldn't handle a depressed bird that a party of random adventuerers and a hedonist larping as a dragon could easily defeat
According to word of god, Ancient society was approaching utter destruction via ennui and would have completely wiped out all life on their own planet had they not been sundered
Half of that shit has nothing to do with the conversation and the other half is you intermixing headcanon with bits of the story to make it look plausible.
>Half of that shit has nothing to do with the conversation
Incorrect.
>the other half is you intermixing headcanon with bits of the story to make it look plausible.
Incorrect. They are all directly from the story. In order;
>post-Innocence cutscene
>post-Innocence cutscene
>Elpis MSQ
>Elpis MSQ
>Elpis MSQ
>Amaurot MSQ, Pandaemonium
>Tales from the Shadows, Elpis MSQ, Pandaemonium, 5.0 MSQ
>Elpis MSQ
>6.0 MSQ
>6.0 MSQ, doesn't even mention the fact that a completely destroyed country managed to survive the Final Days while the Ancients failed completely with their society completely intact AND batman prep time
>6.0 final boss
>Liveletter interviews wherein the creator of the Ancients specifically stated that The Plenty was their endpoint
I accept your concession.
You specifically choose to recontextualize bits of lore and dialogue to suit your argument by taking them out of context and presenting them as things that prove you right, two can play this game, but I am not interested in your sophistry.
Tip your fedora in a thread that isn't at bump-limit, people always start slapfight arguments they b***h out of when somebody knows the story better when the thread isn't bumping and they feel like they can get away with it.
>You [headcanon]
Come up with a counterargument instead of just stating that my summary of events directly from the MSQ is wrong.
Better yet, why don't you actually play the game instead of making shit up on the internet about cutscenes you skipped?
> two can play this game, but I am not capable of a counterargument
I accept your concession again.
I am not going to go through the effort of writing up pages of argumentation for someone that is incapable of arguing in good faith.
Said the pseud.
Stop posting instead of trying to be smart about dodging the argument you started.
>vomits out a bunch of bullet points that are structured to point as a big fat arrow screaming "HERE I'M RIGHT, LOOK AT ME"
>expects to be taken serious and gets mad when he isn't
You can get as upset as you like.
Dr. Seuss's "Where Oh Where Did My Argument Go?"
>creates an argument
>expects a counterargument
>gets "those direct quotes are incorrect and if you disagree with me you're wrong and arguing in bad faith" instead
Gee I wonder why I'm refusing to bother engaging with you further. Maybe you should try actually arguing instead of using nothing but logical fallacies to support your failed point.
Or, better yet.
You could, you know. PLAY THE FRICKING GAME YOU STUPID Black person.
>I am not going to go through the effort of writing up pages of argumentation for someone that is incapable of arguing in good faith.
Says the one who is arguing in bad faith by simply stating "you paraphrased instead of quoting pages of text in a 2000 character limit therefore you are wrong even though saying so directly contradicts things stated directly in the MSQ." Nothing says arguing in good faith like "You're wrong because I said so!" of course.
Until you provide a counterargument, I will continue to accept your concession. If my statements are actually incorrect as you claim (they're not since they're direct quotes from the MSQ) then you could easily debunk them without a wall of text.
I am not going to attempt to debunk arguments built on a false premise, that's like engaging the arguments of a flat-earther seriously. You are no better.
Black person what false premise
you're trying to be holier than thou about ignoring a list of examples
do you just parrot random terms you read on /misc/
You're too fricking dumb to even be a part of this conversation, make yourself scarce.
cranky because you're a /misc/yp aren't you
No, I don't browse the cancer boards, you're just obviously an idiot and idiots like you make me cranky.
You attempted to argue that Ancients were unfit to live because they didn't invent fricking time travel, invention of which hinged on fricking Omega and Alexander, both third parties that are so far outside of the scope of this argument that they do not even register as blips on the radar and you're trying to fish for sympathy right now about how you're being disregarded and how big bad fallacy anon is just conceding left and right? Give me a break you fricking homosexual.
>unfit to live
in Alexander's case no the only implication there was the ancients were ignorant of or had never considered time travel, something supported by emet kidnapping cat simp to figure out how he did it
dismissing exactly one point because you misinterpreted it is not an argument
>You attempted to argue that Ancients were unfit to live
No I attempted to argue the original point; that being that the sundered peoples are more well-equipped than the Ancients in handling the threat posed against all of existence.
Inventing time travel is just one of many achievements they made that go beyond anything the Ancients could ever have achieved.
>hinged on fricking Omega and Alexander, both third parties that are so far outside of the scope of this argument
And yet the Ancients were clearly capable of easily establishing contact with beings like them and thus subsequently developing such technology, yet they didn't.
>I am not going to attempt to debunk arguments built on a false premise
You wouldn't have to since none of my arguments were built on a false premise as you claim.
You could easily debunk them if they actually were, as you'd simply have to prove they were a false premise, which would be easy to do. But of course you can't, so you pretend it's beneath you by saying "I'm right because you're wrong."
You know what else you could do? You could provide quotes or context from the MSQ that support your own argument instead.
But you don't do that. You never do that. You never will do that.
You know why?
Because you' didn't play the fricking game.
cope and seethe
oh it's this Black person again
uh oh somebody i can't outsmart with youtube msq cutscene skims, uhhhh Black person Black person Black person Black person
any tips for p7s
Don't die.
Just like every other savage
DEEP, DARK, FAR AWAAAAAAAY
I HAVE HEARD YOUR VOICE
WEIGHT YOUR EVERY CHOICE
NOW OUR HANDS JOIN ROUND THE MEANING YOU SOUGHT
>'ate Scions
>'ate Grand Companies
>'ate Hydaelyn
>'ate Light
>luv Garlemald
>luv Yotsuyu
>luv Zenos
>luv Emet-Selch
>luv Venat
Simple as
>hate hydealyn
>hate venat
um
oops
>>hate hydealyn
>>love venat
>um
Holy frick can these fricking morons do a simple movement in P5S, AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>do braindead circle and watch the entire rest of the group run all the way around the arena while I just sit still after moving twice
and somehow we cleared
>while I just sit still after moving twice
pretty sure this only works for 2-4-2
Mommy is best girl and you loser ascians, troony homosexuals and womyn still mald and seethe almost 1 year after.
>mfw
what if you like the ascians AND venat?
We could be friends, as long as you don't go off and join those zodiark trance homosexuals lel
>Join prog
>DRG keeps giving me Dragon Sight
t. PLD
Wait did janny delete the last thread with the negative colored ummmm tank stance picture
Also p6s is way easier than p5s what the frick
that thread hit bump limit and was archived
nooooooooo it must be a conspirasy!!!!!
>p5s
>pvp
>everyone has to stay alive or wipe
yes i haven't cleared this in pf
>still no sentai crossover where we get outfits
>get fricking garo instead which is a scuffed masked rider
i only play xiv because my gay bf does and i really wish he didn't
Man, you Venatgays, Asicangays, Hyadaelyngays and Zodiarkgays just love shitting up every FFXIV with your monotonous "debates" huh. Do any of you gays actually play the game outside of MSQ?
post your DSR clear homosexual
Not a raidtroony
If you're making less than 1500 cowries a day you don't have permission to post this.
I'm currently farming puppet's bunker for glamour and working on my 7th ARR relic. Hit rank 9 on my island this morning and I'm 1000 shells away from unlocking the final portion of it. This weekend I'll probably re-attempt HoH for the lone hero title, wiped on floor 99 a few months ago and I had no desire to go for it again.
Just started Stormblood, what am I in for?
Mostly shit but kino scenes with Zenos and the Azim Steppe
>SB zenos
>kino
lol
lmao even
It's the same character as EW, only morons didnt understand what they were going for with SB Zenos.
zenos in SB is the main villain with a dumbshit master plan. patch content/EW zenos is a wildcard biding his time in the background with a simple, singular goal, and will frick with anyone that disrupts that.
>dumbshit master plan
?
Zenos is the best thing about SB
Okay, that's kind of the impression my friend. The trailer is also pretty low energy compared to ARR and HW's respective ones. I'll probably take a short break before diving in.
Thanks, that's helpful. I've liked the Doman questlines up to this point, so at least those stay decent,
no problem man glad we can both kneel to alexander
revelry and the joy of pushing your body to the limits.
Pic related is the only good thing about SB.
Doma good, Ala Mhigo boring.
Majority of the expansion focused on Doma. Weak Ala Mhigan parts. Characters like Gosetsu (if you care at all about him) and Yugiri (if you care at all about her) sidelined for Hien, who has conflicting opinions after what he said about another character in 4.2. Lyse. Getting called racist and problematic if you say you don't like Stormblood because Stormblood is "powerful" for non-whites or something.
what the FRICK are you talking about?
no one gives a frick about your race identity dude holy frick
A meh expansion with the best trials in the game.
that's ShB
the first half can be a drag. Like, really. But for my experience once you get to the level 67 dungeon it literally just keeps going up until Endwalker's credits.
Zenos was really enjoyable though, every line from him is just silk. I wish his VA got more work, he really gets into it.
I hope you like turning on auto-run and alt tabbing for an entire zone
Rapist bird
Rapist bird
A main villain that you will hate if you can't stand stereotypical shounen villains who wield katanas, say "pathetic," and are aloof and seek only the thrill of a fight.
Another midwit filtered.
The man himself told you he only wants to fight, he has nothing else, there's nothing to filter, you either like him or you don't
It's about you, not the fighting. He doesn't care about fighting in general, his childhood backstory says this explicitly.
Should've made it clearer but yes, he wants the euphoria of fighting you, point still stands though
I understand his motivation, I just think he's a boring stereotype. It's almost like they were leaning on something similar to The Boss from MGS3 but it fell completely flat. Zenos was just a bland and uninteresting character even if you understand his motivations.
Borderline impossible, but FFXIV didn't even do it in a clever or interesting way. But again, I propose Legacy of Kain or even fricking Darkest of Days.
>It's almost like they were leaning on something similar to The Boss from MGS3 but it fell completely flat.
The actual original intention with Zenos was just to make a purely psychopathic Garlean that nobody in their right mind could possibly sympathize with, because Yoshida was annoyed that people liked Gaius.
Wrong
>Ishikawa: In our previous expansion Heavensward there was the enemy character, the knights of the Heavens’ Ward, and there were so many of those characters that we didn’t have the opportunity to depict the different characters that were involved, and what they had went through. You defeat them and they’re gone, so with Stormblood we made sure that the character of Zenos, we wanted to bring out his strength, of course, but also what is going on with his head as well. So, that it’s more clearly depicted, and easier to recognize through the gameplay in the scenario. that you lay on top. As a result of that we have this character, of course he’s supposed to be an enemy, but you relate and become emotionally invested in that character. It was definitely well worth the effort.
>Wrong
Yoshida himself said it in one of the live letters before SB release. He was irritated that so many people wanted to side with Garlemald because of Gaius so he told them to make someone that everyone would hate.
and he succeeded and then brought back gaius as a good character anyway?
Gaius was never an evil character to begin with.
i meant a more well-written one
though even in arr he's not that bad it's just mostly due to arr in general being pretty dumb
Ultimately the word Zenos' writer matters more than what Yoship wanted out of him.
Imagine if the fujo was given enough time for the Heaven's Ward. Ishgard would have a fighting force gayer than Sparta.
Because he's meant to be not just your rival, but your other half who you both hunt and are sort of shadowed by throughout the story. It ends with some hamfisted emotional death in a field of flowers in which you're supposed to empathize with him and see him as your equal even if he is a complete sociopath. Of course none of this really happens because Yoshi and Ishikawa wanted two different things and as a result Zenos is a boring mess of a character. You cannot relate or empathize with people who lack emotion and humanity and you cannot emotionally hate someone with no real agency or motivations of their own. In the end you hate Zenos because he is a one dimensional villain with no defining characteristics beyond being absurdly strong and being sad and bored because too strong. It's like One Punch Man but without the comedy to make you care even a little.
His backstory in the physical copy of the lodestone short stories gives him a lot more nuance and it's criminal that it's only accessible there.
It really doesn't. Does having a lonely childhood really make Zenos any more nuanced? Personally I already liked him as he was presented in SB alone, but if I didn't I really don't think the backstory would have changed that.
I mean that it clarifies he isn't just a battle autist. He basically had his soul killed as a child and all his dreams crushed and he's so attracted to you not because you put up a good fight, but because he finally gets to feel like he's in one of the fairy tales he loved as a kid. You're everything he dreamed of being when he was younger, and he finds fulfillment in participating in your story as the villain since he can't be the hero.
EW shows this isn't the case.
Rewatch his death scene.
Seen it a million times. You're way too stuck in your headcanon. The backstory doesn't even mention that he "loved fairy tales" as you put it, it just says he preferred books to people.
stormblood copy+pastes the same motivations for 3 villains at once and it's fricking laughable
4 if you count asahi i guess
What? Who? Fordola and Yotsuyu's are similar but that's it.
zenos was probably fricked in the head from the start but they do talk a lot about how grandpappy emet fricked with him a lot as a kid
Haven't seen those personally. But if it's about what
says it doesn't change much for me. I've always found Zeno's sort of archetype in any story to be boring.
Adding to this, if THIS
is what it's about then that could change everything. But they really need to put that kind of shit in the game. That would go a long way in actually making him more of a character.
>You cannot relate or empathize with people who lack emotion and humanity
but I did
>In the end you hate Zenos
but I didnt
If you didn't understand that he's a player surrogate and his challenge at the end of Endwalker is basically saying "Hey, we both do it for the content right?" then you're missing kino.
>It's almost like they were leaning on something similar to The Boss from MGS3 but it fell completely flat.
How are they at all similar? The Boss' motivations had everything to do with external factors, while Zenos' motivations were purely internal. He was a depressed guy that managed to find the one thing that makes him happy. It's not at all similar to The Boss beyond being your rival.
blueballing at Yotsuyu not having real feet
>reddit
sasuga ff xiv trannies
>Alexander storyline actually mathematically proved Venat did nothing wrong
KNEEL
alexander... I kneel...
guess alexander didnt care about the black rose timeline
He couldn't see to that point. The reason he decided on the optimal timeline is because the one where you shut him down is the only one he's not absolutely sure ends in destruction.
He knew catgay would Shanghai you to the First and stop it
>better
who is the pic related of final fantasy ex eye vee?
Zenos, Hamon, Urianger, Thancred
FRBR
Why isn't there a Kain emote for Dragoons?
Why haven't you killed yourself yet?
You're more easily triggered than Barry.
it's the idle pose for guys
it's really annoying they have different sets of them
It just proves women should kneel.
It is? I recall seeing one standing with one foot against the other leg's ankle, is that it?
I think? I haven't actually looked at them closely
Doesn't her rabbit feets get chilly? Put some warm comfy shoes on dumb bunny. Only bunboys have warm blooded feets and should be barefoot or in loose sandals in those temperatures.
When you're this hot, the cold doesn't bother you.
stop avatargayging with your shitty pole dancer.
You do know that you're only throwing this tantrum because you want to be angry at anything.
im not the other moron you were bickering with. and you've done as requested so i have no further reason to reply to you.
I'll never understand people like you. I can't see myself raging at every little thing.
telling you stop being obnoxious is not raging anon. I'm under no obligation to put up with your bullshit polluting a thread I'm participating in, so i told you to frick off with it.
tl;dr
>hmmm today I will post an image of me playing the game in the Ganker thread taking about the game
>REEEEEEE DON'T POST IMAGES OF YOUR VIDEO GAME GUY FRICK OFF
imaging. shit you only see in XIV threads. like imagine a tf2 thread except someone rages because your heavy is wearing a hat in an image you took in game.
This Black person spams the same few images every night, usually of his mantit fetish characters. have a nice day.
mad
literally not what that rule is about
see
the website has global rules against avatargayging you moronic newbie.
Where's the avatargayging??
three posts in a row talking about their character with accompanying images.
The first post was asking about an emote. The second was answering someone. The third was to make you keep losing your damned fool mind.
Post more bunfeets and sandals PLEASE
P5S IS SO FRICKING EASY
PLEASE STOP DYING TO THE VORE PHASE
sorry bro are we doing pacman or blues clues?
>Join a P5S PF
>DRK just straight up dumps all their MP into Edge of Shadow, doesn't use TBN at all
>AST burns their cool downs to panic heal the group when my panhaima is 3 seconds from expiring and topping everyone off anyway, leaving them with fewer tools for upcoming hits
>Try to bring this up as neutrally as I can, not sperg out
>They get all defensive and bring up how I died to a mechanic even though it was a latency issues and my corpse was literally in the safe spot with all of them
>This will go nowhere, try to find a different party
>Labeled ruby 5 prog
>Group can't consistently resolve first towers
>Leave, find another group
>Glarebot cohealer doesn't so much as use Asylum
I'm having a lot of fun. Definitely feel good about my decision to not join a static
sorry bro the good players pugged p5s on tuesday
if you're not on p7s already, its over
Uh, DRK does the most damage out of the tanks, therefore it's a blue DPS and doesn't need defensive cooldowns, idiot.
Actually GNB beats it in most fights lol. Weirdly it's one of the best defensively this tier because the fights all really play to TBN's strengths
So continues a long tradition of fans writing better stories than the developers of FFXIV. Pic related.
when will venat gays get bored of false flagging
How is this better, this is literally twitter fanfic tier
I NEED TO CUDDLE VENAT TO SLEEP WHILE LISTENING TO HER TALK ABOUT HER TRAVELS AND HOLDING HANDS
>lost my day one static because a trucker had a vaxx attack and killed himself crashing into a utility pole so my internet was out all day
>sign up for another static, they cancel the raid day at the last second
>it's already Thursday and I have nothing to show for it
I'm not clearing this tier am I
Someone made fun of my big glowing circle raid chestplate in roulette 🙁
It was me.
God I love lalafell
Why yes, I do sit in the middle of the entrance to the Limsa market in my Abyssos Fending Chestpiece and Diabolos wings, how could you tell?
>we live in a time where people actually post reddit links as a thread topic
Election tourists have a nice day
have a nice day
Why is the official FFXIV forum like this?
please say sike
>Venat haters are literally mental defectives
femezen are the hottest when properly created, this is indisputable
resident evil 6 logo.
True
Too bad most people are have bad taste
There a good number of cute fem elezen NPCs but a of players seem unable to make good looking ones. Fem moonies are the best though.
It's not even hard to do, but most people playing this game have a bad habit of shoving as many colors and conflicting design elements into their look as possible to be "unique" instead of making something actually good
Anogg a cute
>Sabik will be the final boss of Pandaemonium
>The thing that the Heart of Sabik that fueled Ultima came from
>It also is the thing that weakened the aetherial currents of Etheirys (which was established to have abnormally high aether compared to most worlds) which was what allowed Meteion's dynamis assault to be successful in the first place
Calling it right now. Screencap this.
I thought the same until current tier came out. Now it'll obviously be Athena. MAYBE Sabik will be P11.
i've still been wondering what that shit means and why it was in the dol/doh role quest
it'd be cool though
ever play Ultima?
no but a caduceus in space seems cool
It's going to be some kind of callback to the final boss of FF2, I mean look at where the Pandaemonium is currently located.
>It's going to be some kind of callback to the final boss of FF2
but no one cares about mateus
Mt guess is that Hephaistos or Athena will fill the role of emperor of hell.
I thought so too until I saw the savage exclusive Hephaistos form. Now I think it's gonna be Jenova.
as much as i'd nut myself to have soken's version of J E N O V A for a raid theme I really doubt that's going to be the case
both bosses have been about human+monster hybrids with bread's being super fricked up resident evil stuff, there's not really much further they can go on that trajectory besides just making it bigger
Savage exclusive is the final boss of FF2. Mutated and horrific upper torso that uses attacks ending in "XVI"? Not a coincidence
Does he cast Starfall XVI?
>SEVEN WEDGES mentioned in Anon's pic
IT'S JENOVA
uh.. bros??
Logging in to check right now. Will report back ASAP.
It wasn't there, the people who have been checking the skyboxes every patch since 2.0 have finally paid off
it wasn't there beforehand. but i imagine its gonna be part of the omicron tribal quests
I dont think so, it only appears once zero is brought back to the source in 6.2 apparently
its hard MSQ related
it's nowhere near the necropolis though
UHHHHHHHHHH BROS????????? ITS ACTUALLY REAL
There's no way this is related to the Omicron, it doesn't appear until after you do 6.2. It's probably something to do with that war Golbez keeps talking about.
it wasnt there before
BROS???
BROS?
I want to believe.
Here's your 6.3 enemies.
>muffled Answers starts playing in the distance
Probably has something to do with the big event that'll happen in 6.5 that Yoshida was talking about.
Ok but what the frick is it?
Someone managed to get a close up of it. Looks like a planet either destroyed or forming.
couldn't that be meteion's last song taking effect?
Yeah, the bright star-planet thing is there, and now there's also this greenish glitter layer over the outer edges of everything.
EVERYONE GO AND LOOK FOR THIS
IT COULD BE THE REASON OF THE MAINT
The maintenance is to ban all raidBlack folk
back to /vg/ with you
>thats the thing Golbeze talked about
>Estinien, Y'shtola and Zero are set as party members for 7.0
This pleases me greatly.
Golbez ate the shard of zodiark on the 13th's moon
>more b***hy catgirl, braindead musclehead, and OC donut steel character to look forward to
yea...so excited...
>went athena trance and athena'd all over lahabrea
kino
I bought an MMO mouse. Did I make a mistake?
no its pretty comfy. especially if its the g600.
Nope, I have that one and it's great.
I don't get how you can press all those little buttons reliably.
Do I just have fat thumbs?
The feel of the buttons makes them feel unique so you get used to most of them, but the biggest draw seems to be a third mouse button on the right if the mouse you can use map to something like ctrl.
Watching streamers play this game a shocking number of them down even own an MMO mouse and just click half of their abilities. Is this the norm for most players?
I don't understand why you would ever need a gaming mouse, I play black mage and have more than enough keyboard economy for every spell and then some for like sprint and shit
I think the keyboard economy sucks. I find it a complete waste to have 4 keys for movement when you could have that keypad with a joystick, but they're about twice as much as a normal keyboard and the the official FFXIV one is a ridiculous $130.
That's because you're playing BLM
Try AST, DRK with all the tank cds or even fricking SAM
Granted I don't play anything else but I always hear people complain about how many buttons we have and how it's a pain
>SAM
I don't even have Shoha II on my bar at this point. I just use Shoha on whatever I'm currently targeting when I get 3 stacks.
i click the vast majority of my abilities other than my 1 2 3 combo
I click everything but 1234QERT
Have never really seen a need to stretch my fingers beyond that. Yeah I can click a button between my 2.0s GCD, unoptimal is my middle name
I have mine set to 1234QERFGXT and then just shift + those. I still use an MMO mouse for the few things that don't fit on those though. I've seen people use ctrl + or alt + but I find hitting ctrl or alt + anything in the middle of a fight to really uncomfortable and even difficult. Maybe I just have short fingers?
Shift is already a little awkward for number buttons
Ctrl/alt is for unhinged controller players
don't use most numbers, simple
I use feqrvtg with shift+control and then 123 with a shift on 2 and 3
I do have an alt as well but it's for rare occasions since it's awkward to hit
why not just use a controller? XIV works fricking amazingly on controller, the whole cross hotbar thing is fricking genius
I just tried recently and I have a question. Is there anyway to map shit directly to the buttons? Seems like I can't just map abilities on my hotbar to individual buttons on the controller. It'd be perfect for PVP. Like, RT would be "target nearest enemy" and LT would be whatever slot you put Sprint on. But it seems there's a set layout you have to work within.
Because controllers require immense amounts of setup to have less buttons than KBM
You literally just plug it in and put stuff on a hotbar, that's not immense setup
Yeah and then make special macros for everything that targets party members, and extra hotbars to monitor cooldowns, and set up assist target for ground targeting.
You got the worst MMO mouse there is, so you've definitely made a mistake. Prepare yourself, because you'll need to have it replaced after two weeks.
I've had my g600 for 5 years and have zero issues, why are you spreading disinformation. Razer is way worse than logitech.
I don't use Razer, I use Logitech too, but my experience with g600 had been fricking awful. I bought it and it had a cheap "ringing" plastic feeling build with a wobbly bit on its left side that felt awful to rest my fingers on, its profile was too small for my hand and it broke after two weeks. I had been using G402 for more than five years now and those satisfied me, but I made a mistake thinking that Logitech can make a good mmo mouse.
zenos was a bad joke of a character in sb and was only decent in ew because he explicitly fricked off for most of the story and was only around to do 2 (admittedly very cool) things
I think it would be cool if there was an adventure plate thing but for FCs like a profile photo with like 20 people in it
But coomers will just abuse it and make sex poses I guess
You can still do lewd poses but if you bring the camera in too close or at certain angle your character just disappears
Coomers will find a way
I don't like Zenos and if that story bit on Elpis about the feral beast is any indication, it's just as valid to think of him as a simple animal that's too dangerous to let live.
>join phase 2 prog trial party
>theres like 5 deaths in phase 1
>really close to clear P5S
>maint
NO
>7.0 is space travel instead of Meracydia or New World
it's Y'shtola's interdimensional quest for Runar dick
finally get my new star wars mmo without having to play swtor again
I doubt they're gonna do australian dragonlands considering the current climate of mmos. Even if they've been building up to it like they have.
WE'RE GOING TO BENDIGO AND THAT'S THAT
>Oh no, his dementia's playing up
>Uncle Elidibarry has dementia
>G'raha, check it out. I did some crafting to me gunblade and now it's also a real gun. I've got a real gun, G'raha.
kek
they're already scared of having blue mage in 5 year old content, having an entire expansion on them would be too much
Why do you think they're making the Hildibrand quests semi-mandatory
>Meracydia Expansion
>It's basically Fallout because the whole continent was canonically nuked thousands of years ago by the Allagans
>MFW Fallout: FFXIV expansion
UMMM ARE YOU GONNA DON YOUR ANTI RAD GEAR
>We literally have to deal with RAD poisioning in Merycidia content.
>Radition is a gameplay mechanic throughout the entire expansion
Realistically how would this play out?
ummm why does she look like that?
>yfw they make ghouls
Who thought it would be funny to swap the first two floors? I made it P6 enrage in a single lockout
Is p6s really easier? I finally bonked p5s after like 30 enrages but I'm getting real skeptical about putting more effort into the rest for this week
its a puzzle fight with very easy execution
if you look up the solutions to the puzzles its just braindead easy
is that easy? I just cleared P5S and it took me like 2 hrs
Yes, if your 7 mouthbreathers can get through cachexia cleanly you have a good chance of clearing, especially since you can just frick up cachexia 2 and heal lb it.
>I made it P6 enrage in a single lockout
...sorry, is that supposed to be impressive?
you all HAVE gone into the Atilascope and taken a look at the pandaemonium castle by now...right?
I think all Venatgays, Emetgays and Asciangays can agree on one thing. Hermes is a fricking idiot who ruined everything. Easily one of the worst characters.
I think Hermes is a fantastic character and a lot of people miss what's actually going on with him in favor of pitmommy memes.
What the frick were the writers trying to imply with this scene? That Hildibrand is gay and has a fetish for skeletal robot men?
Sometimes when Hildebrand is stunned or surprised he just does that
he wants to be the next big indian tiktok star
Whats even happening here?
Hermes was completely and utterly right to question the ancients' ideas and methods, he just came to a moronic conclusion because he was completely isolated with no support besides an emotionally stunted bird and an autistic time-traveler
He was right to question it sure. But if the fricker had a conversation with almost anyone else on Elpis or even other Ancients he would realize he wasn't alone in his thoughts and could have enacted change in other ways. The ancients building the memory wipe place and listening to what they thought was a soulless doll of Azem shows they are willing to listen and change. That is why Hermes is a moron. He could have had the changes he was looking for without destroying the universe.
When he expressed his feelings about the former Fandaniel killing himself, Hythlo and Emet treated him like he was a moronic child. So it's easy to understand why he felt so isolated.
Well, he kind of is. Children don't understand how nice it must be to decide when you die rather than choking to death gasping your last breath on a deathbed in terror/pain.
Sure they did that, but they are two of the best soul seerers around and Emets job is literally dealing with souls and the lifestream. If you do the side quests you see others dealing with the same shit he is, maybe not on his scale but they are. These people are his colleagues and people he talks to on a regular basis. People he could have worked to get change for things he did not like. He didn't do that instead he ruined a perfectly good universe with his bullshit.
>He didn't do that instead he ruined a perfectly good universe with his bullshit.
Would Endsinger even have been neutralized if he hadn't let Meteion Prime get away? She rejects the rest of the Endsinger in Ultima Thule but it doesn't do a whole lot to stop it.
He ruined the universe by creating tons of Metion and sending them untested into space. We know she ended 2/3 of the Dead Ends world's and probably more. Then his actions of not testing her more lead to all chances of new life coming into being getting stopped until she was put down. Hermes did more damage than Venat or the Ascians combined due to being such a moron.
>I have this creation that uses an untested heretofore unknown source of power
>Oh and it's also sentient, but emotionally undeveloped and fragile
>Hmm why don't I, without informing anyone or running it by the council, send millions of copies to the ends of the universe and ask it to find the meaning of life
High INT, Low WIS ruining everything is to be expected
But I still like Hermes
Hermes was based. I wish he saw the ABSOLUTE STATE of Pandaemonium so he would've nuked everyone alot earlier
>tfw you can't have your island be like this
now put my femra in there so they can make g'raha's dream come true
also we can bring npcs they said but I dunno if we'll be able to do much with them
the "ideal" is essentially just mini animal crossing, at the least we have autism fishing
>cant even have your house be like this
i like the axolotl eft
Rate my hotbar
awful on so many counts
>long cooldowns on QE
>nonsensical placement of cooldowns in general
>obscured job guage
my actual homie
How the frick do you even manage to hit ctrl + 5? Are you a mutant?
handlet detected plus it's a once ever ~30s skill anyway
Chaos/10
My brothers.
>all those unbound abilities
clickCHAD, I kneel
Not solely a clicker, more a hybrid. My FC doesn't understand how I still clear content.
you have all the role actions on your bar automatically putting you in the top percentile of tank players
Rate my hotbar
>GNB with base classical gear
>Aglaia raid
enmity from DRK and WAR who are at least item 600
Is proper rotation really that strong?
it's that and also crits generate way more aggro then the just the raw damage (this is why warriors steal agro so easily at lower levels) so if that gnb is doing a better job and also lucky its pretty much impossible to steal the boss even with worse ilvl
>ancients have no emotions
>meanwhile in the basement I'M A STRANGER, WE ARE ALL STRANGE
Athena was just tempering people.
>I'M A STRANGER
tell me more
black mage is really fun but also everyone who says moving is hard on this job is just a brainlet
It used to be hard, and people who don't play it are still parroting 5 year old memes
>It used to be hard
no job with aetherial manipulation has hard movement
>Get to a point with some lads where we're ready to clear
>"Sorry I've got to go vaccume the drapes"
>"my internet shut off"
>Oh well I'll just recruit some other players with the same level of experience
>Progging Devour again
>repeat for 5 hours
Every day I'm thankful I have a static.
Even more so that we've proven to have the willpower to ram out heads into content until we finish it
>>>/vg/
you will never be a janny
Alright, I'm starting to believe. Top is a pic from 6.0. Don't have any of Ultima Thule from 6.1.
you could probably check with NG+
NG+ changes world states to what it was before
I bit the bullet and checked r*ddit, apparently someone went through NG+ and confirmed it wasn't there and didn't show up until you get into the 6.2 stuff
I took way too many screenshots, and liked flying around looking at all the shit in the distance. It wasn't there before.
probably related to the upcoming Omicron beast tribe quests
it cant be, because it doesnt show up until you're balls deep in 6.2, its gotta be msq related
My space is still purple, but the glowy b***h is there.
Any reason as to why there is a concentrated effort to destroy the status of this game in particular? I presume that it's to simply run it's reputation to the ground so that certain groups pick up the scraps and have a bigger share. Like most companies which have been lost to well...you know who. Anyway I don't play the game and I'm just a observer. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
its pretty much exclusively on here that happens. no game is allowed to be good or enjoyable, everything must be destroyed. if its not a tortanic its somehow a israeli conspiracy etc etc.
There's no conspiracy or whatever, just assmad other game fans upset at the popularity
>It's very popular now. Therefore, it sucks.
That's it. Expect a thread about how Elden Ring is overrated and was actually awful to come up in about ten minutes.
People have been doing that almost daily since Elden Ring came out
Elden Ring is overrated though
Not a bad game, but mediocre by From's standard
Because it refuses to bend the knee to wokeness so Blackrock has been paying astroturfing for years to try and drag the game into oblivion
This is the only correct answer. The hatred for this game is because it's not woke and is basically the antithesis of wokeness. Look what they did to WoW. They want to do the same thing to this game, but know they never will. So they seek to destroy it instead.
shouldnt this be emo bird? this meme is not well thought out.
What IS it like when you pull back the curtain and realize every wrong is right?
I'm pro-abortion because I'm anti-baby, and anti-women's rights.
will the Thirteenth get an aetheryte?
So does anyone know what the emergency maintenance is about so we can feverishly exploit it for the last 30 minutes?
DONT PRETEND YOUR MY FRIEND
ZODIARK STANCE!
bros...
pov you are a potato chip
so? Has the patch lived up to your expectations thus far?
Why does Elidibus have such dick sucking lips here?
you're welcome
To service the rest of the convocation
Theres a reason he's called elidibussy. Dudes an azem fleshlight.
MSQ was god tier and felt like classic old ps1 jrpg
Island Sanctuary was way more comfy and engaging than I expected
Lahabrea lore was more kino than I expected and that cliffhanger ending was really cool
Raid is super fun and much better than asphodelos
Music is kino (except for p8s phase 2)
Overall kino patch, hope 6.3 is as good
>(except for p8s phase 2)
c'mon anon, that track is a certified bop
Pandemonium is literally everything I wanted Eden to be and more really. Even when you think about it the damn thing is just a reskin of all previous raids story structure
>Thing appears
>New characters
>Say characters are suffering of x issue
>We help them and they overcome their issue
That being said this time it seems different since our boy beat his struggle early. So, I have no idea how is it gonna end and I love old lahabrea. Even if he is just the typical jaded old man. The MSQ hasn't lost its edge either so I am more than impressed. Haven't bothered with island sanctuary so I can't say anything about it. I love the little QoL changes they are bringing and I can't wait for the criterion dungeons. I'd say that yeah it's living ro my expectations so far.
How could Gridanians stomach working with Mhiggers?
The Trees told them to
They barely do which is why you have to cover up warcrimes for the sake of the alliance.
Probably unrelated, or head canon but I like the healer EW role quest is helping Ala Mhigo out because there's a shortage of healers meanwhile Gridania is right there across the border home the healers. Literally not going, saying "frick the Mhiggers"
Frick Mhiggers.
muh elementals
They don't
If you do quests around Gridania and see the dialogue of some NPCs they basically point out how much they hate them but can't really do anything since the elementals tell them to support them plus the alliance. It really seems people forget just how fricking racist Gridania can be sometimes.
It is less racist in this case and more like Ala Mhigo started a war with them in somewhat recent history. Then the Ala Mhigans get taken over and go shit up their nation and get mad at them for not wanting to help them.
Didn't Ala Mhigo invade them like twice in living memory?
I don't remember the last time I saw tanks do Brawler correctly.
This savage tier has been easy as frick so far
How is P7S?
KINGDOM HEARTS
If the Alliance hadn't joined the Ala Mhigan resistance, Zenos might have sought out the WoL at some point anyway. They had quite a reputation even before SB.
Who are stronger. The ascians or the twelve??
we dont know much about the 12 yet
The Twelve, most likely, Ascians individually are not stronger than WoL and this is with extreme powerups like Emet-Selch transforming into Hades or Elidibus using the hope of multiple worlds to transform into Amano's WoL
The Twelve also bind themselves under restrictions though and it's apparently part of their existence that they can't roam freely in the material world
Emet's real name is Hades anon. He just transformed. The only reason you beat him is because you had all those light wardens crammed into you. The ancients would absolutely be able to kick your ass for the most part. In the dungeon you run with them they are powered down to your level.
Elidibus has to do that because he is a schizo primal without a purpose and needs that energy. You also lose that fight if Emet didn't come to save you.
Hades being his real name doesn't change that he's identified by that as his boss-form
>The only reason you beat him is because you had all those light wardens crammed into you
This would hold if Elidibus stood a fighting chance against you, Elidibus was the actual warrior of the three and his solution was to cast Teleport on you because he couldn't beat you
Ancients are more powerful than normie humans in the sundered era but not more powerful than You, who is also still doing all the leg-work and who is repeatedly remarked as being uncannily strong during Asphodelos, WoL is inarguably stronger than Ancients
>they are powered down to your level
They're forced to operate without being able to do anything too wild or just ggez the mobs, this is also the same dungeon where they're able to Limit Break which implies dynamis, something they can't use, though Venat/Hythlodeus/Emet-Selch are the only trusts in the entire game that have a specific marker for when they're using a Limit Break
>You also lose that fight if Emet didn't come to save you.
Elidibus is a b***h-ass homie who is well aware he's not going to win and tries to remove you from reality
He is identified as that because of his line before that saying that titles were being thrown away. His boss form is just what he can do at all times. You still can't beat his ass without light wardens.
Who cares if his solution is to force teleport you into the void. The fact that he can open the void like that is something we can't do and winning like that is still winning. You need the help of you and other heros that Graha summons to help you. On top of that you need Emet to rescue you and fill your LB for you to save yourself. When we see not heart of Zodiark Elidibus he is able to conjure up other shades of you to battle while maintaining the safety in Pandemonium.
The are forced to operate that way due to the Hermes literally forcing them to be powered down to your level. This doesn't stop them all from being able to revive you despite class limitations nor does it change the fact that they are powered down to your level.
You always need some sort of help to beat the Ascians because they are that much stronger than you. They are meant to be stronger in that sense than the sundered. The sundered are way better than they are in other ways.
>can't take you in a fight by his own admission half-way through
>"teleporting you into the rift is still winning"
lad.............
How is it not when it results in you being dead and him being alive? And again, you still can't 1v1 him which is the point I am making mostly. That the sundered are not on par with the ancients in terms of power.
nobody argued they were, they argued warrior of light was/is which pretty much every ancient says is true
This whole conversation started fue to this comment. So yes, someone did.
>Ascians individually are not stronger than WoL and this is with extreme powerups like Emet-Selch transforming into Hades or Elidibus using the hope of multiple worlds to transform into Amano's WoL.
why are you quoting a line which doesn't say shit about sundered in general, they argued warrior of light is stronger than ascians and ancients
which multiple ascians and ancients say is true
They aren't though. The WoL cannot beat a single ancient without help. Show me a single time the WoL can beat an ancient without help or a time they fought them to a standstill without help. You can't. As the WoL is for all we know the strongest sundered it is easy to jump to no sundered can come close.
christ's sake you pedantic autist
we canonically fought ascian prime alone.
We beat Hermes' ass even when he transformed, no reason we wouldn't be able to do the same to others
we know frick all about the 12. but i imagine they're juiced up on faith
If I had to guess at this point, the twelve are beings from another star, like Midgardsormr
maybe they're actual higher powers, as meteion discovered higher powers in her travels
>the one planet ruled by a god-king who saw meteion alight and ask her question, and immediately began killing everything and everyone on the planet with his bare hands before finally looking at meteion and killing himself
>as meteion discovered higher powers in her travels
At first I figured "oh of course, they're auspices". After doing all the Elpis sidequests though, I'm starting to harbor a crack-theory. They're all inferior attempts by the bureaus to recreate you, still thinking you're the most insanely advanced familiar ever conceptualized.
that's genius!
when you are proven right i will think of you and your delight
You might be onto something with that
woah
h-holy shit...you genuinely might be onto something there...
>They're all inferior attempts by the bureaus to recreate you, still thinking you're the most insanely advanced familiar ever conceptualized.
Why would you think that?
>explains why they're testing you
>explains why they seem genuinely happy to have fought against you, as if confirming for themselves of your superiority
a-anon...are you sure you don't work for SE?
>They're all inferior attempts by the bureaus to recreate you
what? why recreate me?
Half the ancients in elpis are repeatedly marveling at how advanced of a "familiar" you are. And its already established they were in a tailspin of developing new concepts after hyths speech about shark concepts.
I always took the shark thing as thr ancients are basicly little kids who just think sharks are cool and want to make lots of cooler, better sharks than their neighbors. It's just a fad creation.
It was basically hitting you over the head with a hammer that their concepts were stagnating and had been for a while. Comparable to The Plenty and how they'd "done everything".
The problem was Hythlodaeus noting that basically any creation that was actually new instantly became a fad creation. Sharks were the first new thing in a while and all anybody could think about was sharks and minor variations of sharks for a long time.
Sharks are cool and little kid ancients like them.
Maybe. I somewhat saw it differently after doing the side quests. The ancients were either on the verge of a gigantic societal change due to discontent or they would have destroyed themselves. The sharks comment could go lots of ways. Hell, Hermes could have ended all the stagnation in creation itself by telling the others that his bird e-girl can go into space and they would have turned their attention to space and opened up a whole new realm of spacefairing shark bird e-girl's.
>some weird little familiar that smells like Azem shows up, does all sorts of crazy shit, disappears
I can see them wanting to figure how how such a powerful little thing exists, and trying to replicate it if not one-up the world's most powerful shitposter
>show up
>solve unsolvable problems
>fricking disappear, untraceable to even Hythlodaeus who apparently has the fricking god-eyes and can see things no other Amaurotine can
Of course they want to recreate you, they think you're someone's concept, not a living being.
Here's my meme theory. The 12 are the original gods/pantheon the ancients used to worship. The ancients abandoned them after creating their "One True God" Zodiark.
Hydaelyn made a pact with them to help the unsundered.
TRUST IN RAGE
howauch silver do i need for the last landmark and how many blue cowries for the last mammet expansion? I'm at rank 8 so i want to prepare all the rare mats i'll need for later. already got all buildings to level 3
3k cowries, 3 silver
thanks, then i can safely expand the crop and animal farm
>everyone but Mr Happy, the beard guy and the japanese guy cleared P8S
why are they considered top tier raiders again?
>singapore ching chong defending mr happy
peas in a pod of mediocrity
Happy is hard held back by his group's shitty white mage
>tfw XIV won't do any crossover events with other companies so we get raid battles against various other villains
Imagine battling this in 24-man while this absolute banger plays.
Nah, frick off. Cross over raids within SE were bad enough.
Why did the Nier raids trigger everyone like a bunch of reseterans seeing big game girl hooters?
genuinely don't know. Maybe they hadn't played Nier? Or they felt as big a thing as a 24-man raid tier (which you usually only get one of per expansion) shouldn't have been spent on a crossover?
Again, I enjoyed it a bunch, and the OST was a banger throughout. The actual story was actually pretty good too, had that signature Yoko Taro ambiguously depressing ending
the most legitimate gripe i've heard is that it doesn't have anything to do with the first really. you could have plopped the raid down in any zone in the game and it would still work.
Its too flimsy in its connection to XIV's world. XIV has really consistent, well made lore and world, and even when we get things or even people from other games like Gabranth for example, its incorporated in ways that feel like they're part of this world, not something that is crossing over from another. The Nier raids are the opposite, they make no effort to properly connect to the game's world, to the point where they don't even feel like they should be canon, and took up the 24-man raids for Shadowbringers. Its also honestly very lacking as Nier fanservice too, which doesn't help it.
>It's also honestly very lacking as Nier fanservice too, which doesn't help it.
This was the issue for me really. Outside of the gear for the last raid you don't get Jack shit from actual Nier. I am still pissed that none of the weapons made it despite the fact yoshi p said they would look into it
It's easy to incorporate all of the other Final Fantasy games, they're all basically the same thing. Something as different as Nier Automata, it's understandable if it sticks out like it does. But IMO its level of "Huh?" in relation to XIV is the same as Monster Hunter and PSO2's, not to mention the Yokai crossover.
genuinely hated the Yokai crossover, surprised that doesn't get shit on as much. Hell, they even brought it back for a bit
the Monster Hunter crossover was just 1 trial and the Yokai Watch crossover was just an event that's obviously not meant to be taken seriously. The Nier crossover took the place of the ShB alliance raids which was just a big "Frick you" for anyone who's not a Nier fan.
Honestly i really liked how they explained the Rathalos away as simply being a native species to the Azym Steppe. Its good enough of an explanation.
>no brother or papa nier armor
>no fricking weapons which are incredibly important to nier as a whole
Blows my mind they walked away happy with that
Because they were completely out of place, robbed us of a chance to see cool stuff related to the First instead of being a bunch of memberberries and Taro wank, and ended so badly fans of it had to cope by making forum posts about how it was supposed to be pointless and that's art
>fans of it
*literally one fan of it with a braindead take
Idk I don't hate it but it's down there with one of my least favorite parts of the game. I've never played a Nier/Drakengard game but I tried to keep an open mind going into it and I just couldn't care about the plots or characters and it felt like it didn't fit into the game. It definitely didn't sell the games to me either. At the end I just felt like it was wasted resources that could've gone to a proper ShB raid. I think crossover shit is fine but not on the level where it gets its own raid.
the broader community was so negative about the Nier raid (even though I quite enjoyed them) that I doubt we'll see any major crossover events like that in the future. I could see some random seasonal quest or something get some love though, like with the Monster Hunter and FFXV stuff
Monster Hunter and PSO2 friend. There's hope.
Frick off with your shitty ass crossovers. Mario? How young are you?
Mario's older than the FF franchise, b***hbaby.
>Mario? How young are you?
Isn't Mario an older franchise than Final Fantasy? It's like getting offended that Popeye is in a cartoon museum.
Bareback sex with Y'shtola with the sole purpose of putting a littler of Mi'kitten inside her womb.
Only in my dreams…
Do the scions know we've got big ass paintings of them hanging in our homes?
ryne painting when
>flirty as frick with no one but the WoL
>btfos every other person showing interest
Have hope brother.
Let us all have hope, anon
>yfw 7.0 is a collaboration expansion and the destination is Azeroth
>7.0 is us visiting the dead stars of other MMOs
>WoW
>Everquest
>Asheron's Call
>we try to revive life on them
>we ultimately fail
>Nintendo crossover event
>24-man raid going up against Nintendo's villains
>Bowser, King K. Rool, Ganondorf, Ridley, King Dedede, Andross, Porky Minch, and Ashnard
It would be 100% worth it as long as this was King Dedede's battle theme.
>Porky Minch
Literally who
I love it how anti abortion gays immediately disregard the child after it's born even if it dies a month later because it was born to neglectful crackheads that would have been better off never having it in the first place. Everything to satisfy your low IQ lust for moral high ground.
Listen, Venat is the real evil because she has a pussy, the Ascians/Ancients are all the best chad bros who knew everything, and everyone simping for the b***h needs to be executed via bullet to the back of the head.
Worst girl