A redditor wrote a better Hydaelyn Trial than the actual writers
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/wcvg47/spoiler_lvl_89_trial_catharsis/
VENAT SIMPS DOWNVOTING OF COURSE
FFXIV
A redditor wrote a better Hydaelyn Trial than the actual writers
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/wcvg47/spoiler_lvl_89_trial_catharsis/
VENAT SIMPS DOWNVOTING OF COURSE
She's a woman so she did nothing wrong
Um wrong, Anon, have you read my rewrite for the Endwalker MSQ? You will see how much better it could've been
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/466638-Rewritten-MSQ-Garlemald-and-EW
Please stop posting lewd photos of my mommy, she is a respectable woman.
I'm only posting this in hopes that it makes you stop.
I want to mating press mommy.
What did she do wrong though? Was sacrificing people constantly to Zodiark actually good?
>sacrificing 75% of our people so the rest can live is bad
>sacrifices the other 25% because of emotions
peak woman moment
More like
>sacrifice 75% of our people so the rest can live to keep sacrificing themselves, either until they someday find an actual solution and can allegedly bring everyone back to life, or until they are all dead
75% of our people so the rest can live to keep sacrificing themselves, either until they someday find an actual solution and can allegedly bring everyone back to life, or until they are all dead
I really wish the cutscene skippers would just open the "discussion" with this dumb line so that anyone could immediately tell they are not worth the time spent on them
It's really more like
>sacrifice the remaining 25% to save the livestock they were raising to replace the first 75% as sacrifices, who then proceeded to become the dominant species on the planet
>you yourself are one of the livestock she saved, so you literally owe her your life
>>you yourself are one of the livestock she saved, so you literally owe her your life
What the frick are you even talking about
The Ancients were going to sacrifice all other lifeforms on the planet to bring back the sacrificed.
That's both not what you said in your previous post and not what was ever said in the game.
Again, what in the ever loving frick are you talking about schizo?
Then please, state in your own words what the plan to get all the sacrificed people back was.
Read about it in the game you insane dipshit.
based on her little flashback she had zero idea that you were an ascian so she just yolo'd her own people. her actions are unjustifiable and only turned out ok because your character is a mary sue
>only turned out ok because your character is a mary sue
Which she already knew going into it.
it clearly states she didnt know. she sundered them because she hoped that they would somehow find a way to fix everything by suffering as moronic mongoloids for a billion years. she had no plan and didnt know you came from the sundering
She knew that WoL existed sometime in the future, that they're a mary sue and that she had interacted with them. So unless they came from some secret part of space they could have only come into existence sometime in the distant future of the world. Time shenanigans though.
she literally said in game she had no plan and hoped somebody in the future would fix it
>didnt know you came from the sundering
Doesn't the WoL tell her, Hades, and Hythlodaeus about the sundering and everything that happened?
>sacrifice half of the population to stop the Final Days
>immediately wants to sacrifice another half of the remaining people to bring back the people they sacrificed in the first time around
Damn, too bad Venat stopped all that. I'm sure the sacrifices would've stopped after awhile
She was wrong to do it
I just finished HW
It was kino. Much better than the slog that was ARR
How is Stormblood?
Better than ARR, but it likely will feel as a downgrade after coming from HW. Expect worse writing and annoying pacing until the post-MSQ quests building up to ShB. It doesn't deserve the hate it gets, but sometimes it came close to being as much as a slog as ARR was.
Also, frick Lyse, frick mhiggers and frick ala mhigo
Breaking it up so both Afghanistan and Japan get proper attention, and their characters get proper build up makes it suffer. The Mongolian section is one of the best parts of the base expansion, and the patches are nice.
Not terrible as they're made out to be, but it has it's issues.
Unfortunately Stormblood is just as bad as ARR, maybe slightly better. The writing sucks, its way too long, and the characters (Lyse) suck.
Luckily Shadownbringers is pure uncut kino so you have that to look forward to.
Stormblood is shit Shadowbringers is Heavenskino2, Endwalker is an even worse Stormblood and the devs admit that Endwalker should have been split.
Source
>How is Stormblood?
Huge downgrade.
Stormblood is fine if you go in with the expectation that it's a story about occupied territories and taking back your land from your oppressors as opposed to a grand tale about a 1000 year war between a city-state and Dragons.
Also when you look at is as the Rabahn story and not the Lyse story it skyrockets in quality.
Outside of battle content, a complete downgrade. The zones are worse, the writing is worse and a majority of the characters are worse. You could skip every cutscene except the ones the main bad guy shows up in and you wouldn't miss a thing. Steppe Lizards were the only good part of SB.
>once you get through the shit, it gets good!
>then it becomes shit again
Why are FFXIVtrannies so delusional?
Because they've never played an actual MMO
they talk about the game like it's a movie, and don't factor in the fact that the MSQ has almost no gameplay.
It's good but not as good as Heavensward. The main plot is a mess but it expands the world and cast in a good way and the fights are amazing.
>linking to reddit
Go back
Linking to reddit should result in a permanent ban.
its a good thing that the artist will finally realize how mentally ill is this game community
Mommy...
I love crystal mommy.
Please sir, can I have sauce?
Arslood
Thank you sir
There hasn't been a single expansion where I didn't side with the enemy
>Gaius was right and the Ultima could have brought world peace if not for rabid Hydaelyn worshippers and their blasphemy
>Dragons were wrong, engaged in chemical and biological warfare, terrorized citizens and mutated them over a dispute that not a single Ishgardian is responsible for
>Ilberd was right the whole time and continues to be right to this day
>Emet
Why is alphinaud such a charisma vacuum? He has no presence- you could place him in a dumpster and he wouldn't do anything about it but anything important happens and the sour c**t volunteers you with no thought to geopolitics or reason, just the whims of his chaos god
even if you had cut their resistance out of the equation, lahabreads would have just popped Ultima probably right in fricking front of the Emperor after the weapon would surely be shown off to him and made it look like Gaius was trying for a coup after they'd fricked everyone else over
if not just, y'know
devastation with full intention, right out the gate
Gaius was right in a vacuum - the plot wasn't a vacuum though, and everything points towards his direction absolutely fricking everyone over
also right on the rest :^)
>Gaius was right and the Ultima could have brought world peace if not for rabid Hydaelyn worshippers and their blasphemy
Gaius was a naive idiot who blindly trusted the comically evil Lahabrea and bought into the hype of the Garlean Empire. As a weapon of the Ascians that could have its controls overridden by them it would never have led to anything but fully intentional devastation. Furthermore the Garlean Empire he believed in so strongly literally only existed in his immediate vicinity - it's telling how quick he was to believe that the Cape Westwind dude was abandoned out of racism, and that he had to turn on his own countrymen in an attempt to stop Project Meteor in 1.0.
>Dragons were wrong, engaged in chemical and biological warfare, terrorized citizens and mutated them over a dispute that not a single Ishgardian is responsible for
There's nobody saying the Horde wasn't evil and don't need to be put down. The other Dravanians had absolutely nothing to do with the conflict. It's like blaming Gridania for the shit Ul'dah's midget israelites get up to because they're all people.
>Ilberd was right the whole time and continues to be right to this day
Ala Mhigo doesn't deserve anything.
>Emet
Was absolutely miserable and knew he was in the wrong to the point where he set up his own death.
>It's like blaming Gridania for the shit Ul'dah's midget israelites get up to because they're all people.
Not a very good example considering they cuck out to the elementals. Might as well do humanity a favor and nuke them too.
>Gaius was right and the Ultima could have brought world peace if not for rabid Hydaelyn worshippers and their blasphemy
Garlmald only ever benefited Garleans, we see that clearly in ARR and even more clearly in SB. Not that it matters anyway, since Garlemald is a Garlean puppet state and all Gaius would have achieved is blowing up the entire world through another calamity.
>Dragons were wrong, engaged in chemical and biological warfare, terrorized citizens and mutated them over a dispute that not a single Ishgardian is responsible for
Yeah, and you fricking kill them for it.
You hunt down most of Nidhogg's brood, you kill Nidhogg himself twice and you end the war. Ysayle and the Cultists are dismantled and most of them die. You stop Thordan and his insanity, you kill Nidhogg and his perfundity. On both sides you cull the extremists and bring together what remains, it's quite literally the best scenario for everyone.
>Ilberd was right the whole time and continues to be right to this day
Illberd didn't even believe in his own cause, what was he possibly right about? That nobody gave enough of a shit to try liberate Ala Mhigo? That Ala Mhigans didn't care enough anymore? Yeah, no fricking mystery there. Ala Mhigo would have been liberated without him regardless, Garlemald's collapse freed all their colonies.
>Emet
Like Gaius, outright says "Opps, I was wrong. My bad."
This, villains are always right and should always win.
>Why is alphinaud such a charisma vacuum?
Because you're playing with the fanfic dub
Man it hurts to read opinions so fundamentally moronic.
>unironically linking to r*ddit
>A redditor wrote
sure anon, "a redditor" wrote it
I mean if you think about it, that's true since OP clearly showed himself to BE a redditor.
Uhm
Female hrothgars?
Cringe
uhm
hrothgar being able to wear hats?
40 minutes of the 2 hour presentation from the next NA fanfest, please look forward to it
The rest will be them telling you the new level cap, maybe a beast tribe, and where the new region is
>unironically linking Reddit
AntiHydaelyngays everyone
Always trust your genocidal mommy.
Great mother Hydaelyn I beseech thee, please bless me with a Lalafell wife
>A redditor
Yeah, don't come here linking your stupid post, you fat Black person.
Also bless these next two weeks where I get a short ass queue for the Ivalice raids (the best raids for now until we see how EW's pans out) thanks to the Moogle event.
Yeah man it's written soooooo much better!
I love that they decided to give the WoL an edgy chip on his shoulder for no fricking reason whatsoever and try to turn the MC/OC into some raving lunatic instead of a mostly-passive vessel to everything else happening.
It's just SOOOOOO much better, only Venat Simps are downvoting it, even though it completely breaks established canon for both Venat and the MC.
If it was Ardbert and not the MC/OC then maybe it might work, since that motherfricker has an eternal chip on his shoulder for his fate. But it's not Ardbert. It's your OC.
I love how they didn't get anyone to spellcheck their fanfic, it's riddled with ESL-tier spelling and grammar errors
>No, thanks. I alone is enough for this fight
It hurts to read even as an ESL
>artist says "yeah the argument was weak but I just want to draw zodiark trance like ability, then I got carried away"
>anon seethes
Lmao
>post on Ganker to get more attention to your shitty bait headcanon comic
lol lmao
go back
Endwalker really did give permanent brain damage to edgy folks didn't it
>nazis are killed off
>ancients are shown to be soft fascists
>both hero and villain are women
are shown to be soft fascists
>godlike powers
>use them to play with life
>all powerful board of directors who can wipe out cities at will
hmmm
No he's right, the ancients lived in a beautiful high-trust society where everyone cared about their brothers and sisters so much that they would sacrifice themselves for them.
That certainly is more reminiscent of fascism or national socialism than of any globohomosexual society.
No, fascists are evil and their societies are like Mordor
It's mostly homosexuals who joined during ShB or late SB. You can also tell its mostly the tumblr-exodus twitter crowd because they obsess over "fixing" things they have no business touching with their amateur understanding of both the setting and gameplay.
Like male au ra with street clothes
I wish more of them cared about fashion beyond the modern and street shit, man.
We might end up with actually good looking plate and job outfits from XI or something. Cash shop cancer still but atleast they'd be using their self-inserting autism for good.
Sunder me, my brave little spark
I came out from there!
>reddit
That shit was god awful. Frick off and stay there for good homosexual.
Why don't you go BACK there then, anon?
>All those seething replies when they all came from the same place
Crabs in a bucket
It's incredible that people are still mad about the idea that Zodiark wasn't the final boss. It's incredible also to see people being angry to Venat, when she's meant to be a morally grey character and no one really gets almost after 1 year after EW got released.
>when she's meant to be a morally grey character
According to what fanfiction? Because she's a cartoon villain according to this games awful writing.
She's not a villain by any means. All she did was a gamble and playing the long game. The fact that people are questioning her actions is what makes her grey. There's nothing deep, there's nothing beyond that, the problem is that people are trying to go into "2deep4u" mode when it comes to Venat. But if you take her as a morally grey character, that did an action that could be seen both as "bad" or "good". You wouldn't totally complain about it. Plus on top of that people still forgetting that in 5.3 you already destroyed half Zodiark.
>you already destroyed half Zodiark.
It literally doesnt matter, because Fanta was going to merge with him as a new heart. I had hopes it was going to be something more, but it wasn't, it falls flat
And i'm not going to sperg over the details on how moronic it is that the main villain hyped since 2.0 is literally just a robot demon that served no other purpose but "planet shield"
>It literally doesnt matter, because Fanta was going to merge with him as a new heart.
Yeah, but even if that's the case Fanny is just a dude with a shard of a soul and Elidibus was unsundered. The power difference would be as monumental as it ended up being.
>More garbage fanfiction
There's no garbage fanfiction in my post tho. I am just stating that people should start looking at what Venat did in a morally grey light. You the player don't have to agree with what she did.
That's true that Zodiark being a "shield" preventing from the true villain was bad, but truth is that the fujo went a bit too far again with Hermes. Hermes character is honestly the worst part of Endwalker to me, really a broken man that was a true brainlet in reality to a fault. Meteion was just a victim, but at the same time Hermes's action make me a bit boil, because truly for someone that was intended to be written as a "genious mind" truly he was in reality the biggest idiot in the entire story.
>The fact that people are questioning her actions is what makes her grey.
No. That's not what being morally gray means at all.
People don't question her actions on the basis of "Was it a right thing to do" like they did with Emet.
People are questioning her actions on the basis of "Those actions don't make any sense whatsoever" which makes insane and stupid in the best of interpretations and the single most evil character in XIV and maybe all of final fantasy in the worst.
Just like right now me questioning your intelligence doesn't make you morally gray, it just means your supposed intelligence is in the question.
The problem is that the thing that you said about Emet, "Was the right thing to do?" can easily be applied to Venat. Emet also did very questionable shit same as Venat. You could use that question for both characters. Don't create double standards only because you like Emet and didn't like Venat. Because both did terrible things in their own regards.
>People dislike and don't put up with a horribly written character but give benefit of the doubt to a well written character
>DOUBLE STANDARD!
Anon was right, you are a simp
I don't get how it is being a simp. Both Emet and Venat did questionable things. You can give both the benefit of the doubts. There's no double standard, I think that Venat actions were questionable and since the dude brought up Emet, I'd also say that Emet too was very questionable if you consider all of his actions up until his death.
Emet did questionable, if still evil, things for good of his people whose perspective you can understand. His plan would ultimately benefit a specific group of people.
Venat did objectively evil, impossible to justify things for what might as well have been shits and giggles because Ishikawa didn't give a damn to give her any reasonable perspective or motivations that make sense. Her plan ultimately benefited nobody and almost doomed the world leaving you to solve the problem. Oh yeah and there's this timeline where it DID doom the world and the universe as a whole because The First was rejoined, you died and couldn't travel back in time, whoopsie
You are being ridiculed for trying to equate the former to the latter.
>plan ultimately benefited nobody
Yeah, making it so that her people wouldn't become another notch on the 'We lived and died because we discovered life is meaningless' bed post sure didn't benefit anyone.
The fun fact is that I can easily change your first phase with Venat prospective and it'd be the same thing. Are you also forgetting that Emet and his buddies also killed completely the 13th by fricking it up too much with it? Both characters did their share of bloodshed, only to benefit a specific group of people.
>The fun fact is that I can easily change your first phase with Venat prospective and it'd be the same thing.
Nothing stops you from writing a fanfiction where this is true, it still is going to be just a fanfiction.
You didn't understand what Dead Ends was about, you are even dumber than the fanfic writer.
>You didn't understand what Dead Ends was about
Feel free to enlighten us then, professor.
>Waste your time spoonfeeding me
No. You were supposed to get it on your first playthrough. You failed.
>hehe you're wrong stupid dummy
>n-no i won't elaborate y-you should have understood
It is better to keep your mouth closed than give proof that you are a fool. I get it, bro.
I am not writing no fanfiction. I am just saying that both characters did their bloodshed to benefit their own vision.
>He's actually wasting his time on headcanon spouting filth that got all its information about Shadowbringers and Endwalker from Ganker shitposts
fricking lmao this guy
Post some ingame text screencaps while you are at it.
They surely won't ignore it and post the same thing again after the 1000th time
Why are you replying to yourself?
>Are you also forgetting that Emet and his buddies also killed completely the 13th by fricking it up too much with it
They killed more than the 13th, they've already destroyed several Shards before you ever came to The First
Yeah, but people still think that Emet dindu nothing because his reasons were right.
objectively correct
His love for his people was right. His methods were wrong. Felt bad to kill him but it had to be done
No, they rejoined them, meaning the souls of those killed go back to be renewed as Asscians. The 13th got straight up voidraped and the souls were deleted for good
>No, they rejoined them, meaning the souls of those killed go back to be renewed as Asscians.
So they killed them. Actually it's worse than death there's no indication their consciousness's still exist after being rejoined with their source counterparts, they effectively cease to exist as individual persons upon being rejoined.
who cares. its like killing a wienerroach
No, it's like killing children.
Weak children.
Is this why bioholes are all Emetgays?
Nah, he's hot and sad. Nerdy b***hes love hot sad men, since sad men are needy and hot men are hot.
what does that say about the woman who enabled the acceleration of this cessation of consciousness on a global scale
She's the reason they exist to begin wtih.
nope, venat didn't create people out of wholecloth
>nope, venat didn't create people out of wholecloth
The level of mental gymnastics venat-seethers go to just justify their hatred of her is hilarious.
>Emet succeeds in his plan
>The world is still fricked since they still have no proper way to fight Dynamis
>And now Zodiark is no longer powering the thing that keeps the planet safe
Everything that all of these characters did sounds bad in hindsight but the fact that Venat did this shit SPECIFICALLY since you came back in time to tell her about it is logical, even if it is an asspull.
It was literally a Hail Mary on her part since she saw what the Ascians had turned into, emotionally stunted manchildren who were simply not capable of seeing life from any other angle than their own and whenever the rare Ascian that could showed up they were usually either branded as "that guy" or at worst was shunned for not sharing in the belief that they were the arbiters of what is right and wrong on their planet
FF has never been the shining example of good writing that a lot of its fanbase wants it to be but what Venat did was just as justifiable as what any of the other Acians did. Even if it needed an asspull to make the story work
>>The world is still fricked since they still have no proper way to fight Dynamis
Strap Azem to a rocket and send him to space.
Voila, ancient civilization saved.
This is the part where you shit and piss yourself because ancients can't beat meteion even though you beat meteion using ancient powers all the way through.
>strap Azem to a rocket
>he dies when leaving the atmosphere because it turns out he can't breath in space
Good plan
just use creation magic to magic up air everywhere
check mate hydaelyngays
Ok then. Assuming they can make him breath in space with magic, he crashes upon impact since it's a rocket and dies.
fall damage doesn't exist out of combat
just slam the rocket outside of Meteions range
your turn
Fall damage does exist outside of combat, it just can't reduce your HP to lower than 1. And since that's just the fall damage then fall damage + the resulting explosion would kill you.
You can die to fall damage. Had a mob hit when I collecting aether currents, jumped off a cliff and fricking exploded.
That's because you were considered "in-combat" though.
Huh, just tested it, you're right
>the resulting explosion would kill you.
silly anon
allied AoEs don't hurt you
the homie flew through space on a dragon
homie, you stupid b***h. Ancient don't need to breath, they are literally made out of AETHER homie.
Holy shit how stupid is 99% of people inside this thread? ANCIENT ARE MADE OF AETHER.
Dynamis cannot interact with aether. There is a reason why Meteion had to use "lmaooo the world is dying hahaha summon demons to have a nice day" tactic, because she could not kill them.
The only thing Meteion could do to hurt the ancient was to make their creation magic go amok each time a depressing homie used it.
>they are literally made out of AETHER homie.
Ancients are literally just tall, incredibly powerful humans.
>Not even having the most basic understanding of how Dynamis impacted the Ascians
>Even though they spend atleast half of EW hammering it in
It's like every single person who are incapable of seeing how the cogs (poorly) fit togheter are all speedreaders or skippers
>>Even though they spend atleast half of EW hammering it in
>This is the guy calling anyone else a speedreader or a skipper
I miss Shadowbringers and the "lore discussion" being boiled down to whether agriculture is evil or not. Atleast then you could pretend some people in the threads have actually beaten the game.
Explain then, how am I wrong?
Hermes was the only one that had been shown as being capable of doing it and they even straight up tell the player that most of the Ascians have no fricking clue what Dynamis even is.
We (as in non-Ascians) were not strictly created, we are "born" as pieces of Acsians since we were what was left after the sundering, along with every other living creature on the planet
If Hermes was capable of learning about it, other people were too.
Honestly Venat's entire plan was just a really elaborate and convoluted way of doing exactly what so many anons insist wasn't possible, creating something that could use Dynamis to defeat Meteion.
Did you guys just conveniently forget that he scrubbed his own memory of atleast everything that had happened during (atleast) the Elpis ark and was then MIA during the End Days? Or the fact that he was probably autistic enough to not share whatever he had learnt since "The others just kills their creations anyway!".
They spend almost the entire runtime of Elpis trying to paint the picture that Hermes does not fit into Ascian society and that he even despises it to some degree
I'm not saying that this is good writing, but it's not nearly as big of a plothole as you guys try to make it out as being
Hermes himself is one thing, I'm just saying if it was possible for him to learn it was possible for other people as well.
>if it was possible for him to learn it was possible for other people as well.
Oh, anon, you just did an argumentative no-no.
You aren't supposed to point this out. You are supposed to shut up and screech at anyone who doesn't that Hermes was the only one in their entire race that dedicates itself to magical pursuits that could do Dynamis.
i mean the game didn't even say that, hermes said that there were other scholars who also studied dynamis, just nowhere near as much as he did
>Fanfiction
They straight up tell you that Dynamis is being studied by other Ascians, but no one else has really seen the point in it or gotten as far along with their research except for Hermes
Yes, Venat even says as much during Elpis. It's the reason why she keeps your timetravel shenanigans a secret since she thinks that there still might be hope for the Ascians to figure this out on their own, unfortunately that wasn't the case and she ended up putting all bets on (you) eventually existing instead with another pet-project backup plan in the works if you for some reason can't stop Metion in time
she just didn't want to upset the time jannies, that was it. literally all she did was just follow the history that (you) laid out to her as close as she could, because time jannies are more dangerous than something that has already wiped out numerous stars apparently
Excuse me?
she was afraid of diverging from (your) timeline by doing too much. why that matters at all, or why it matters more than giving etheirys a fighting chance is left an exercise for the reader to solve
>she was afraid of diverging from (your) timeline by doing too much.
That was my entire point jackass, she didn't tell anyone your secret since IF they failed to counter Dynamis on their own she would have literally thrown away their only (as close to as they could come anyway) winning move since (you) were living proof that her alternate timeline self was still around and there was still atleast some non-fricked life left on the star
the problem is (you) are a very, very, very shit and worthless one-in-a-billion chance that should have been immediately discarded for a better hand such as, i don't know, giving everyone the critical information that they were lacking
>An entire timeline has already shown your kind failing at countering Dynamis
>But it also shows that atleast some form of Ascian life still exists in your world
>You want to throw all of that away in an attempt to try to literally convince atleast some of the smartest people on your planet that they need to throw all of their lives work away since this single woman is saying that the sky is falling
>Not only that but if you fail at convincing anyone or it actually helping in stopping Meteion
>You might have fricked up the timeline to the point where you CAN NOT fall back to the almost 100% guarantee that WoL will show up evnetually and atleast save the star from total annihilation
It's like people really are too dumb to see what the writers are putting down on paper. You don't need to read inbetween the lines when all of this shit is explained to you while you were having a tea party with Venat, Emet and his boi-toy and then hammered home at the end of the Elpis ark
I hate you "THEY'D NEVER BELIEVE HER" gays. Even if Venat wasn't a respected ex-Convocation member, they literally have the Echo and could confirm everything she said.
>WoL will show up evnetually and atleast save the star from total annihilation
You do know WoL travels from the future because the situation is fricked and they don't know what to do, right? As in, just because WoL is from the future, that doesn't mean Venat knows he wins.
>Even if Venat wasn't a respected ex-Convocation member, they literally have the Echo and could confirm everything she said.
And what if the fact that she told everyone the truth but it STILL MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN ENOUGH. You homosexuals seems to be incapable of seening the fact that Ascians are not omnipotent and that there are very real limitations to their knowledge and power that are shown off multiple times throughout the story
>You do know WoL travels from the future because the situation is fricked and they don't know what to do, right?
Yes, it's literally the action that completes the timeloop and it's one of the things that we know for sure that WoL tells Venat
>As in, just because WoL is from the future, that doesn't mean Venat knows he wins.
We know anon, did you just forget about the fact that the moon was literally made into a fricking spaceship by Venat as a last attempt at salveging things IF you didn't manage to save the day?
They go over this shit multiple times in EW but people seem to be incapable of thinking from the characters perspective, like the players META knowledge of the events in the story somehow nullifies the decisions Venat has to do on her own after the Elpis ark
>We
moronic newhomosexual cancer ruining this website.
>what if this extremely unlikely and contrived situation where everyone is unreasonable and averse to empirical evidence happened
Anon, a timetraveler telling you what is GOING to happend is a hell of a lot more logical than you placing your bets on FAITH and hoping that it turns out alright
? the wol doesn't know what is going to happen after they go back lol. everything after the jump back to the present is a complete gamble. for all they know they could frick a miqote in uldah, get stds and die before even fighting meteion because venat gave everyone diseases lol
none of that are really insurmountable, or even major issues. convincing is easy, no one has to throw away any of their work, meteion is extremely easy to kill and find. you're trying to spin a false narrative of the alternative to relying on the wol being extremely difficult when it's laughable on its face
there is no guarantee that the wol will even do jack shit as evidenced by the alternate timeline. wol could have had a brain aneurysm the moment they stepped out of el piss for all venat knew because she made them as sturdy as toilet paper
Did we actually read the same story? You know, the story that VERY CLEARLY POINTS OUT that timetravel ony works in loops in their universe, none of this branching stuff that Back to the Future tells you.
Ask yourselves, if you were in Venats position, what would you choose?
>The timetraveler that says that they will be back to save the day eventually and that even if they fail you might still have a backup plan and that as you understand timetravel, this will always be fated to happend if you play your cards right
>The complete assumption that your race might be able to pull through but if they don't, you might have lost the only winning move on your hand and not only doom your race to extinction, but maybe even all living life on/in your star
What about shadowbringer you stupid frick? Did venat in 8th calamity go "lol my timeline is frick hahahaha"
Also Venat had 12k+ years to make up a plan and it literally was "fight lol or run".
Well fricking DUH, that is not what I'm talking about. Both options Venat have are complete gambles but ONE of them has an already PREDETERMINED OUTCOME. Think for frick sake anons, why would you buy a lottery ticket if you could just wait for a rich relative to die and give you the money anyway?
>if the wol is so unreliable anyway, why not just discard them for a more reliable approach like trying to solve the problem head-on
That is the thing anon WoL is a guarantee that WILL happend unless she fricks with the timeline somehow, there are still risks ofcource, like what is pointed out during ShB, but atleast its some proof that it will work in some timeline no matter what but there is no proof whatsoever that they will Acsians can do this on their own, like I said before, they are not omnipotent and they are definatly not omniscient.
It's one gamble or the other, that is the choice, one has an already proven outcome the other has not
You are a dumb Black person.
yeah there is a guarantee that the feeble, fragile being known as the wol will try and do something about meteion and hopefully not die in the million ways their feeble mortal selves can along the way and hopefully can figure out a way to kill meteion despite having no idea what meteion's weakness even is
having a powerball ticket guarantees that you have a chance at winning the jackpot. it doesn't mean you are guaranteed to win it, or even have a good shot at winning it. in fact, you have absolutely terrible odds at winning. which is what the wol was, a shitty powerball ticket. a gamble of such low worth that it's better to frick with the future than try to hold on to such shitty odds
>Just completely forgets that Venat herself messes with the WoL and that is more or less a clear fricking signal to past Venat that this guy/gal is the real fricking deal
>Also forgets that she did have more than one plan
>One where the Ascians might be able to beat it on their own (without her tipping her hand and loosing the timetravel angle)
>One where WoL would come and save the day
>One where everything fricks up, but that's okay since she still has an entire moon that she turns into a spaceship that can jump from start too star until everything is either killed or they find a solution
Again, you guys must be speedreaders or skippers since I have no fricking clue how none of you actually remembers what was said during the Elpis ark and what is said before and after your fight with Hydaelyn
>Also forgets that she did have more than one plan
straight up lying. Running isnt a plan you fricking idiot.
It sure as frick is, but that still doesn't take into account that she straight up tells (you) during Elpis that she still thinks that her "people" might have a chance at defeating armagedon on their own. Running away in this context took her houndreds if not thousands of years of prep and planning, as pointed out in Old Sharlayan. If that shit isn't a plan then she had no plans at all
real deal with regards to what? venat wasn't even remotely pushed in that duel, and it says nothing of the wol's ability to avoid death by disease, poison, happenstance or anything that isn't chucking aoes at them
you still don't understand the salient point that the time traveller has a very low odds of actually succeeding so it doesn't matter if you have to sacrifice them. the moon and whatever garbage she did after the wol left is irrelevant to this discussion. the only thing that matters is the choice between preserving the timeline where the wol will somehow try to do something (lol) or giving her own race critical time-sensitive information that will almost certainly turn the tide against meteion
Anon, for what must be the 5th time now, WoL was not her only plan but it was the plan that had the most proof of working one way or the other.
I've pointed this out multiple fricking times already buy you seem to autistically hone in on the entire WoL angle as if it's the breakingpoint for the entire story when in reality it was only the 2nd outcome after the Ascians failing to fix this shit on their own and before the Moonship escape plan.
As for the fact that WoL was "chosen" by her future self, she points out during Elpis that you are a capable fighter for how weak you are supposed to be (considering the fact that you are a lesser being and all that jazz) but as was already pointed out in the story by that point, you can't just "beat" dynamis, you need conviction so strong that it can withstand the flood of dynamis that might corrupt you mind (and body if your Aether is not thick enough), which is EXACTLY what she tests WoL for, both in Elpis and in the Hydaelyn fight
>the Ascians failing to fix this shit on their own
They thought they did fix it. They had no idea the final days wasn't just a natural occurrence but instead was being caused from somewhere else.
>They thought they did fix it.
Guess they were wrong then 😉
But seriously, this doesn't argue one way or the other. In the end they still failed, who knows, they might have succeeded if they kept trying or they might still have failed, I don't even think Venat was 100% sure what would be the better choice in that regard since her only two options at that time would have been to double down on timetravel or tell everyone and risk it on another shot at survival but no guarantee for WoL to complete the loop if she was wrong.
And if we go by her reaction to what is going on during the "End of Days" cutscene, she was pretty fricking fed up with Ascians being unable to deal or handle it, no matter how coldhearted that migh seem
>In the end they still failed,
Because they didn't know. Did Europe fail the test of the Black Death because they didn't know that germs existed?
>no guarantee for WoL to complete the loop
WoL was already from another timeline, the loop was already complete in his timeline.
>WoL was already from another timeline, the loop was already complete in his timeline.
But if she abandoned her plan in her timeline then that means that HER timeline would be forever fricked, why would she care that future her/WoL fixed their timeline if she can't fix her own? It all comes back tho the same argument, she made a gamble and like any gambler, she picked the gamble with the highest odds of not her own survival, but the survival of her star.
As was pointed out in the story, she didn't really seem to give too much of a shit about the current Ascians she shared her timeline with, only what was best for the star (from her perspective)
>But if she abandoned her plan in her timeline then that means that HER timeline would be forever fricked
No it doesn't. What happened to this endless faith in her people she kept going on about?
She lost that faith in the fricking "SUFFER" cutscene. God damn, I really might be right about no one remembering anything about this fricking game. Even before that during Elpis she more or less lives like a recluse thanks to her faith in her own race already failing at that point, even if it is just a little
>She lost that faith in the fricking "SUFFER" cutscene.
The "SUFFER" cutscene is an actual lie and never happened.
there is literally zero proof that wol would ever do anything of value
how many times must it be said
i think you must be literally incapable of understanding realistically how fricking unreliable any mortal that could keel over for any reason regardless of their strength of conviction or martial prowess is to pin the hopes of the entire world on
No, you are the only guy here who can't understand what the frick I'm saying. She never KNEW that it would work in killing Meteion, but WoL alone was proof that the star was STILL ALIVE AND KICKING vs IT COMPLETELY DYING OUT if she didn't complete the loop. She literally tells you this before the Hydaelyn fight where she straight up says that she is unsure that WoL is really as capable as they said they were during Elpis so she decided to test (you) so that she would know if there was any way to stay on the star or if they had to leave the star for a new one, like the dragons did.
That's it, that is the ENTIRE POINT of my arguemnt, she had a choice between a world without Ascians but a star that was still alive or a world that might be dead or alive with no way to tell the putcome in advance
>proof that the star was STILL ALIVE AND KICKING
Yeah. Because of Zodiark.
there is no point in the star persisting until the wol's jumping point from the future if meteion is still going to blow up everything anyway because the wol slipped on a banana peel and hit their head on the pavement
that's because the value of the star persisting far beyond that due to a vastly superior meteion elimination plan from information sharing is immeasurably greater
an almost certainly doomed etheirys that managed to eke out a pathetic existence for a couple thousand years is just a decisively shit choice
Anon, it was the soundered Ascians that put that shit into motion, more or less proving that Venat was right about her own race.
If they had never fricked with Zodiark, the star might actually have existed like it did FOREVER, the WoL was a way to maybe combat Meteion if there was a need for it and the moon was a last ditch escape plan if Zodiarks "shield" around the star ever stopped working for whatever reason
you realise everyone, including the wol, is a sundered ascian
You know what I fricking mean, if you don't, then you really are a skipper/speed reader
>Headcanon
>MFW
maybe they wouldn't have to frick with zodiark if venat hadn't caused most of the world to fall into ruin in the first place...
>You know, the story that VERY CLEARLY POINTS OUT that timetravel ony works in loops in their universe, none of this branching stuff that Back to the Future tells you.
And here's the onion. This dumb Black person opperates on pre-ShB alexander logic that since then has been retconned, acting like he knows anything about what he's talking about.
Here's some reading you will pick up on and shut up or continue to get called a dumb Black person that you are.
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/special/tales_from_the_shadows/sidestory_08/#sidestory_08
if time is going to loop back no matter what, then why does venat need to maintain her discretion lol
if the wol is so unreliable anyway, why not just discard them for a more reliable approach like trying to solve the problem head-on
>timetravel ony works in loops in their universe
Someone should tell the fricking cat and his doomed timeline that is still continuing on that.
Shut the frick up you god damn world of warcraft refugee. Endwalker is my favorite expansion and even I know Venat was full of bullshit. Shadowbringer shows you there exist another timelines.
Meteion was right. Kill us all this fricking thread is hell.
>Remember us. Remember that we once lived… Also remember to watch out for that crazy guy Fandaniel. His pet bird caused the final days. I was there with my good friend Hythlodaeus and we ran into you because you got sent to the past by our good friend Elidibus. We went there to meet our good friend Hermes and his pet bird. Hermes's bird was capable of destroying entire planets because she had emotion energy, a concept so advanced only Hermes and an elephant knew it existed. Hermes was going to let the bird destroy our planet because he wanted to do an experiment. And then he was going to memory wipe all of us until Venat flew in on her magical dog and escaped with you. She then for some reason decided not to tell anyone about what happened and instead doomed us all to die, including our good friend Azem who fell into a Volcano while trying to find the source of the noise even though Venat knew all along because she put a magic microchip on Hermes’s bird. She then became Hydaelyn and sundered the world because a bunch of weak humans who die after 80 years were better equipped to deal with the threat than immortal gods who could create whatever they wanted at will. Except the only “human” that could actually stand up to Meteion was 9/14ths of our good friend Azem who also needed Hydaelyns blessing to survive along with my great-grandson Zenos Viator Galvus who had Hydaelyns blessing too, except his was reverse-engineered in a Garlean laboratory. And he was a good friend.
Emet said calmly
please delete the horrendous pic you posted
i thought ffxiv had good writing
it has, which is why you see lore debate go to 500+
People also debate Game of Thrones season 8 or nuSimpsons for hundreds of posts, that's not a mark of quality.
>a concept so advanced only Hermes and an elephant knew it existed
Everytime
Venat is literally one of the most trusted people in ancient society and the ancient have ways of knowing if someone is lying you FRICKING moron.
You literally learn in elpis that the ancient can tell truth from lie.
>>Not only that but if you fail at convincing anyone or it actually helping in stopping Meteion
Stupid fricking Black person
They can READ MEMORIES
have a nice day immediately.
>wol returns from the past only to get aids from the quicksands and die a year later
>this is the hope of all of mankind that venat shall bet everything on
that is literally day 0 of the meteion problem, if hermes shared his knowledge and they pooled together their brainpower it would be a complete joke
it's got nothing to do with sundered beings, as long as it's not aetherically dense, it can utilise dynamis
hermes could probably make a giant frickoff dynamis cannon given enough time
>if hermes shared his knowledge
His fear of sharing his knowledge was the realization that if his designs weren't approved, they would be destroyed. By the time the Meteia became a problem Hermes had zero reason to help his people to anything but the metaphorical pyres
>shits and pisses himself
Like clockwork.
??? we know ascians can create creatures that can utilise dynamis, even if they themselves can't do it. for someone like hermes, it would probably be less effort than farting to create some creature that could fire a concentrated beam of dynamis that would obliterate meteion a hundred times over
You forget that Meteion used a bunch of planets' worth of dynamis to frick over Etheirys. While any attempted creation would both have to contend with the attack from Meteion and the quickly dimming hope of the people on Etheirys.
And even THEN that wouldn't stop the star from becoming another Dead End when the ancients made the star perfect and spent a second on introspection.
Bro...I'm about you fricking hit you through your fricking computer screen.
Dynamis is about the feeling you have, it doesnt matter how many MILLIONS of planet of despair Meteion has, as long as one can reject her despair and believe in their own conviction and ideals (which the ancient DID!!!) you can beat Meteion.
Her entire realm and her powers relies on emotion.
>And even THEN that wouldn't stop the star from becoming another Dead End when the ancients made the star perfect and spent a second on introspection.
All dead ends happened because either the civilization doomed themselves because they fought each another or because they fricked up their planet before meteion appeared. The plenty was perfect until she brought her despair there.
Or do you believe that "noooo they are living a perfectly fine life!!!! you have to suffer AHHHHH"
nooooo anon you need 10 billion people to beat meteion
>what about wol
N0000 it doesnt count. STOP TALKING !!1
>>what about wol
WoL can use Dynamis, ancients can't.
You are about to get reminded
Genuine question, wouldn't that fall into the seperation of gameplay and lore like how the wol faces the primals solo, but have a party in the trials?
Emet didn't even know what a lb was when you talk about it in Elpis.
No, because the same expansion later uses limit breaks used during gameplay as part of the narrative. Meteion doesn't understand why you can use Limitbreaks and claims its dynamis even though Limit breaks have already been explained to have absolutely nothing to do with Dynamis in the first place.
It's yet another case of Endwalker lore being introduced through retcons and then immediately denied by yet newer lore being introduced through retcons.
It's also hard to tell what writers were intending with any particular scene because Endwalker was rushed to shit and the story was finished 2 days before deadline after being told "Yeah, just do 2 expansions in 1 main story patch"
>even though Limit breaks have already been explained to have absolutely nothing to do with Dynamis in the first place.
Where?
Is whatever the frick Dark Knight is doing "Dynamis"
or is that a different emotional energy.
Yes. All magic in the setting involves dynamis but DRK goes harder on it.
Who knows. Everything is conveniently the brand new plot magic until it isn't the second you realize it doesn't make any fricking sense.
It certainly wasn't originally intended to be dynamis, that mechanic is one of the most obvious examples of them making the story up as they go.
I'm pretty sure Dancers use dynamis, while Dark Knights use love to shape their attacks.
Im not sure. Thancred cant use aether attacks if he doesnt have ryne or ystola in the party so they put some attention to the trust system
See
The Ancients could use dynamis because all magic involves dynamis. Magic is shaped by emotion. They were just too aetherially dense for dynamis to flow through.
Everyone that feels emotions can use dynamis.
This, then, is a different flaw for the Ancients, because very few of them feel strong emotions anymore. Venat and Emet-Selch do, as does Hermes, but most of them can't make the Elpis flowers change colors.
>Everyone that feels emotions can use dynamis.
I don't believe any of the ancients can use dynamis to the extent of making Ultima Thula habitable.
At least one of them could
Well you needed more than one. We had to blast through numerous scions successively to proceed through Ultima Thule.
That's a much better argument. It's not just using dynamis, it's winning the tug of war against the accumulated despair of the universe.
The sundered have endured far more pain than the unsundered and the scope they have for persistence in the face of continued agony is thereby much greater.
>The sundered have endured far more pain than the unsundered
>the pain of the Final Days was so fricking intense that it seared itself into everyone's soul and persists 12,000 years later across multiple reincarnations
Do you really think the unsundered "endured" the pain of the Final Days? No, it drove them to desperation beyond desperation.
>retreats into the weeds of what counts as "endurance"
The Omega questline practically tells you to shut the frick up with this argument.
The Omega questline tells you that the inescapable loneliness of the void will shatter anything that has a heart. That has nothing to do with being sundered or unsundered; that despair is inescapable.
The last thing I expected from the Omega raids was that magnitude of feels
Kino ranking
Coil >>> Omega > Alex > Eden
Man Eden shat the bed so hard at the last tier
I meant the new Omega questline. They talk to people who "endured" and the conclusion is that succumbing was mostly random chance. Saying the ancients "didn't endure" is wrong, when any modern person would have done the same as them.
It was the result of living in an unsundered world where pain is normal.
The ancients would not have managed it. They turned to Zodiark, begged to have everything back. They could not move on, save for Venat's splinter faction.
(me)
Frick, of course I mistype. Living in a sundered world where pain is normal, I meant to say, obviously.
>They turned to Zodiark, begged to have everything back
They wanted the people sacrificed to Zodiark back. There was never any plan to resurrect everyone else who died.
That was still clinging to the past in a way that won't let you survive the Endsinger's song.
If you are not willing to keep walking after all your friends die you will never reach her.
>Ancients response to final days
Let's an hero until everything is perfect again
>Man's response to every single calamaty
Let's rebuild and change some so that shit doesn't happen again.
Even during ShB I thought Emet's line of the half the population dying to save the other wasn't a real gotcha he thought it was. The ancients refused to move on, they fricking couldn't.
While man picked up the pieces again and again and again, and exceeded the ancients a comical number of times.
>space travel
>time travel
>dimensional travel
Honestly the only thing that the ancients have done that man hasn't bested them at is live long.
>Let's an hero until everything is perfect again
>Let's rebuild and change some so that shit doesn't happen again.
>t. story skipper
If you don't even know what happened why are you arguing about it.
Die to make Zodiark, and shield planet
Die to empower Zodiark and make the world hospitable again
Die to empower Zodiark to make shit per- ACK
Sundering.
And every astral era is shaped by the surviving peoples building civilizations in a way averse to the past cause of the calamity.
>after flood black and white magic are banned since they fricked with the world's balance
>after the quake learning is banned since it steered Allag
>etc etc.
It's simple, really.
>Die to empower Zodiark to make shit per- ACK
They were never going to sacrifice themselves again after the second time.
>If you are not willing to keep walking after all your friends die you will never reach her.
But they did. 99% of the world died and they summoned Zodiark. 75% of their people died, and all they wanted back was the people sacrificed to Zodiark.
Literally any modern person would do the same thing. WoL does the same fricking thing when he BTFOs the catch 22 and wishes in Emet and Hythlodaeus to resurrect all his friends.
>But they did. 99% of the world died and they summoned Zodiark. 75% of their people died, and all they wanted back was the people sacrificed to Zodiark.
That's not walking, that's clinging to the past.
Emet himself says that he wouldn't be able to reach meteion and it shows with his goals and methodology.
>long as one can reject her despair and believe in their own conviction and ideals (which the ancient DID!!!) you can beat Meteion.
Except the post was about a random creation shooting a dynamis beemu at Meteion.
Not someone with conviction confronting her directly.
>All dead ends happened because either the civilization doomed themselves because they fought each another or because they fricked up their planet before meteion appeared.
Ea.
>The plenty was perfect until she brought her despair there.
The plenty were ancient expats with creation magics. How could she bring them to despair when they're so aetherically dense? Even with the ancients she had to use creatures with thin aether to frick up the populace slowly, as explained by the two ancients in Amaurot debating over if they should help the random areas on the planet where the final days were starting to happen.
>Dynamis is about the feeling you have, it doesnt matter how many MILLIONS of planet of despair Meteion has, as long as one can reject her despair and believe in their own conviction and ideals (which the ancient DID!!!) you can beat Meteion.
Hold on, but if Dynamis is all about conviction then why is one person's conviction superior to trillions of people's conviction?
Might be because of lack of consent or contradictory in belief .They held the belief that life is meaningless, yet did everything to prove it was in fact meaningless, their very attempt to prove it was that they thought it was made even the smallest part of Meteion doubt her plan (the blue bird).
idk ask the fujo writer
lol the bunch of planets worth of dynamis was fricking useless against the wol
shows you how little offensive power meteion actually had and the wol wasn't even a creation that was specifically designed to counter her
the ancients could probably create a way better creature to fight her
>lol the bunch of planets worth of dynamis was fricking useless against the wol
Yes, the one who could both accept suffering, persist, still feel hope, and use dynamis.
There is nothing on Etheirys pre-sundering that can accomplish this. Not even Azem.
>Yes, the one who could both accept suffering, persist, still feel hope, and use dynamis.
Emet-Selch could have done it if he hadn't lost Hythlodaeus. He was completely prepared for all of that before shit went south.
>Emet-Selch could have done it if he hadn't lost Hythlodaeus.
WoL lost everyone and kept going, shit even Venat had more resolve than Emet.
Goddamn even Hythlo was able to leave his bro with a smile and a wave as he went to be sacrificed.
Emet was a great character, but he'd get cucked out by either the Ea or the Plenty.
>we don't have a cure for a disease yet, therefore that means we cannot find it
>>we don't have a cure for a disease yet, therefore that means we cannot find it
Well, seeing how things went they didn't find it.
yeah might have something to do with the fact that most of the world and the world's population was destroyed before they even knew what happened because venat didn't bother telling anyone
They figured it out by the time they made Zodiark shield the planet.
But yeah, not telling the 14 was a dumb plot point.
Honestly would've been better if Hermes added a caviot to Kaitos that would restore his memories Meteion's plan was mentioned.
It would be hamfisted, but it would be a better reason to not tell them.
>Yeah no, they couldn't do it
>Why?
>[fanfiction]
Yeap. Every single time.
So you just got up and got a snack during that long fricking cutscene where it's outlined that the ancients couldn't handle a spot of suffering and would rather die to create a world "were we knew naught but bliss".
>c-c-c-c-cutsceneskipper!
The ultimate and final cope of a fanfic writer.
Wasn't that just in Amaurot? Also Azem was out looking for a solution when Venat sundered them.
>lol the bunch of planets worth of dynamis was fricking useless against the wol
Anonymous Meteion literally brought you to your knees with a wave of her hand.
You weren't the one to get up and challenge that. You were on the ground dying with everyone else.
The one shining example of a person who could bear all the despair of the universe and shift the tide of dynamis was not you. It was Thancred.
Anon, she didn't slap you down with Dynamis. She sucked all the air out of the room, and Thancred is the only one who could stand because as seen in ShB he's trained to be able to fight with no oxygen.
You are literally ignoring story and replacing it with headcanon fanfction
That's what actually happened though. Thancred just pulled a repeat of his 1v1 against Ran'jit.
Ultima Thule was actively hostile to all life. As in the sense of "you go there, you fricking die". Only Thancred, the guy who is obsessed with protecting people, exploding into dynamis could change that.
>The one shining example of a person who could bear all the despair of the universe and shift the tide of dynamis
not really. thancred merely had a faster noggin lol, (you) could have wienerblocked her with dynamis like he did if you had the same idea to begin with
>First thing Meteion does when zenos show up is to run
Meteion is not a fighter, where did this stupid idea of "I have 10 planet of despair... i win 😀 " come from?
Emotional power isnt based on power level, but on conviction and faith.
>where did this stupid idea of "I have 10 planet of despair... i win 😀 " come from?
>Emotional power isnt based on power level, but on conviction and faith.
Anon did you miss the part where Hermes explains that the universe is about 70% dynamis by weight? It's spread much thinner than aether, but it outweighs aether by more than two to one on the cosmic scale.
There's a reason you and yours have to oppose her with dynamis. Your aether amounts to nothing. Zenos does not threaten her, he only provides a mechanism to pursue her else she simply leaves you behind.
>Zenos does not threaten her
She was about to kill you before he came, if he did not threaten her then she had no reason to run away once Zenos and you joined forces.
Once Zenos lended his aid to you you became a much greater threat as now you can evade her most destructive abilities. Shinryu is really fast.
But in general, you're not supposed to think too hard about the boss fights.
>Meteion is not a fighter, where did this stupid idea of "I have 10 planet of despair... i win 😀 " come from?
Goddamn you speedread posts too?
See
>it would probably be less effort than farting to create some creature that could fire a concentrated beam of dynamis that would obliterate meteion a hundred times over
That's where it came from. 10 planet > 1 planet. In a pure dynamis v dynamis fight Meteion would win since she had more.
>conviction and faith
Which no creation could have, and the few ancients who do cannot use dynamis.
funny how creations are lesser or equal to man depending on what is convenient for the argument
The argument is about dynamis beams, are you being obtuse on purpose?
said creation would have conviction and faith that would make their dynamis beam a trillion times more powerful than any defense meteion could muster
>Yes.
Ok.
The Ancients are a bunch of soulless freaks. They would have created a "perfect paradise" like the Ra-La dudes and committed suicide eventually anyway. Frick 'em, I'm glad they're gone.
>The world is still fricked since they still have no proper way to fight Dynamis
Is that true? Why can't the ancient created a being capable of fighting dynamis? I mean meteion was made by 1 moron, imagine if millions of ancient tried to fight against her despair by using hope.
The ancient had hope, to say that they are incapable of fighting Meteion is fricking stupid.
I cannot even imagine being this smug about having a learning disability.
Venat writing is awful, her reasoning ridiculous given the time travel bullshit and Zodiark, hyped since ARR, is a forgettable stock photo demon with no bearing in the story.
Shit's moronic and I don't blame people for coming with their own headcanons. EW is trash.
Absurdly innacurate in all fonts but I want to highlight
>Zodiark is a stock demon
Zodiark is an exclusively umbral attuned creature, and is demonic in nature as a parallel to the voidsent. If you actually paid attention you'd understand.
>no you see, it makes sense because hes dark element thus he needs to look like a generic demon in the game
brainwashed moron
>Dude I lack the ability to understand themes and consistent design and implications so I'll call everyone who calls me out on this a moron.
Guess we need another urianger exposition scene next expansion for people like you.
>its fine that the supposed tipping point of 3 expansions is just a boring stock design with nothing interesting
this is your brain on yoshida's piss
>It's fine to disregard consistency in order to satisfy my subjective shit-eating tastes.
>Zodiark is an exclusively umbral attuned creature
>Zodiark
>umbral attuned
oh no no no no bro
Yes, darkness represents motion and is associated with the voidsent, same way as light represents stasis and angelic motifs, hence sineaters.
Darkness is astrally charged and light is umbrally charged. Urianger explains this in ShB.
>Zodiark is an exclusively umbral
>If you actually paid attention you'd understand.
holy kek im dying
Explain how this is wrong.
umbral is light.
Umbral is light. Zodiark is purely astral.
Ok, I actually fricked the terminology up. I accept my own moronation
Ok but Endwalker story was still trash though.
The plan with Zodiark would have never worked. The final part of ressurecting souls is beyond a Primal's power, even if the Unsundered desperately believed it to be the case. We saw it with Sri Lashksmi, it would have happened with Zodiark.
Even further, we know the Ancients were a kind and considerate people. There would have been a good chance that even if everything went right that everything would soon fall apart due to the realization that their rebirth meant the countless deaths of innocents.
Also it would not have fixed the cause of the Final Days, at all.
the souls that zodiark was supposed to ressurected were inside zodiark himself you stupid frick lol. Did you even read it? The ancient are made of pure aether, they dont have flesh at all.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Every day I feel grateful that I am not as mentally ill as the rest of the players in this game.
The absolute state of w*men
Is there a bigger red flag in a woman than saying they play this game?
Nah.
Jealousy is a motherfricker aint it
Who is jealous of what? I don’t get it.
It's a red flag, but I'd say it's way preferable than things like having tattoos, smoking, using drugs, having any personality disorder (schizoid is fine), being a single mother, having piercings (besides one per ear), being addicted to her phone, using social media regularly, ever using the word "wanderlust", being political correct behind closed doors, thinking women are oppressed, arguing with holes, being psychologically unable to write or say the words "Black person", "israelite", "homosexual", and/or "troony", thinking that being against any of the aforementioned things is wrong even if she doesn't partake, etc.
Holy FRICK how bold does this anon have to be to fricking give us a LINK to reddit and no one in here is lambasting OP with calling him a fricking moron
Ganker has truly died this day holy frick
You are moronic for not reading the thread.
it's a final fantasy game, when did those ever have good writing?
>spergs out
>when did those ever have good writing?
2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 10, 13-2, 15 T, Dimensions, Type-0, etc etc.
It speaks volumes about the fanbase that when fujodev actually throws straight males a bone with Venat they still get up in arms. Can pretty much guarantee these same people simp hard for Emet.
>plebit
>ff4.0
Yup, it's Ganker time
Why is her neck so long?
>o the story could go the most boring, played out JRPG cliche route imaginable
already is
I can name exactly two JRPGs that did the "Is the Church/God actually evil!?" plotline, only to subvert it with, "No, they were sincere and well intentioned the entire time."
One is XBC2, the other is FF14. You can cry as much as you like, you can seethe every day for the rest of your life that CrystalMommy loves you- but you can't say it's cliche.
I know people predicted Lavos would be part of the plot, did people actually think he was going to be central to the final act? What, did they think Hydaelyn was going to be Lavos or some shit?
And every single JRPG pulls out the "life holds meaning because we give it meaning, fight against nihilism" card in the end.
No it doesn't, at least not as explicitly as a theme as FF14 does. It's never about nihilism it's about destiny and freedom, breaking free from a Church/God's controls and determining your own path.
When you off Zodiark and you're only level 83 or whatever it was I thought for sure they were going with the Hydaelyn is evil and the big bad all along shit.
I don't know that I prefer a random bird girl being introduced in the 11th hour to be the big bad all along though. I'm still kinda annoyed at that whole thing.
I kind of liked it, very cosmic horror vibes. And the whole "destabilising aether isn't coming from inside the planet, it's coming from outside" was a nice twist.
>can easily be applied to Venat.
It literally cannot for the reasons I've already stated.
You are simping for a fictional character and are desperate to defend her insanity as "moral grayness" despite being unable to explain why she did what she did using just in-game information. Don't bother responding, I won't waste time on someone too stupid to understand something so basic.
I am not simping for Venat. All I am trying to say is that if you can question Emet for his actions wondering if he was right all along, you could do the exact same for Venat. Since both characters did very questionable things in the story for the game.
>the most boring, played out JRPG cliche route imaginable
it did
could've been worse anon, we could've gotten the Lavos ending
>I didn't write this shitty fanfic I swear!
>It just happends to align with everything I think about this "thing"
>And it's on Reddit
This is awful and cringe, why the frick would he care about ardbert and Minfillia matter if he saw the Ascians as his brothers? Why would he care about humanity at all?
Also the WoL is a reincarnation of Azem, not Azem, he doesn't have any memories of Azem and he can't just regain that.
Nothing about this changes the fact that the point of Ultima Thule was to show us the sheer power and/or advancement of the societies she fell, none of them able to harness dynamis and falling for that reason. Ascians were doomed and siding with them or feeling bad for them doesn't change that so essentially nothing about this changes anything and she's still fricking right.
Just because you can criticize something doesn't mean your criticisms work and it doens't mean you can write. You can just as easily fall into pitfalls that make this unjustifiably angry and moronic version of wol even more unlikeable than hydaelyn.
My brother this is a coom thread, no one here is willing or able to debate script or character writing.
That said, you are utterly correct. That comic is awful in every aspect and makes goddamn zero sense in lore. The poster even said how it's just an elaborate excuse to draw a Zodiark Trance.
Hydaelyn made the WoL kill Elidibus, Hades and Lahabrea?? No, they were on the verge of murdering you, your world and literally everything you know and love, 13 times over.
The argument that the WoL has in that comic isn't just weak, it's utter nonsense.
In the end, Hydaelyn's actions cannot be justified. She caused the end of her civilization and went against the will of nearly every living ascian in order to follow a path that she merely believes is the best way forward. It was the right call in the end, but utterly indefensible in the moment.
She stopped a literal genocide
No, she didn't. Her plan failed and a homosexual cat boy had to pick up the pieces and put them back together again. Pretty sure Crystal Exarch's timeline irrevocably fricked now.
Third sacrifice was a literal genocide
Those are the facts
she was the one who killed all the ascians by sundering them, so she actually did the genocide
Splitting one life into 14 is not analogous to genocide
then how is turning 14 back into the 1 a genocide?
It was fricked up, but it isn't a fact.The truth of the matter is her plan already failed in another timeline, so she basically wiped out 2 civilisations.
literal fact inside the game
cope
Except it isn't, moron.
Go replay 5.2
Don't need to. Sacrificing 50% to bring back the original sacrificed 50% is not genocide, no matter how you try to spin it
It was 100% you idiot
Seems like you're the one who needs to replay the game
Is this game's porn scene still nothing but futa garbage?
I've known people who's reasoning for hating Venat so much comes down to "Emet said she was evil and the dialogue where you first meet her has the option to say you don't trust her, and since none of this is really ever taken further she's an awful character and I hate her!"
And when called out on this based on stuff like Emet not knowing the full story they usually go in one of three or all three defenses:
>SHE'S A MARY SUE!
>WHAT SHE DID WAS moronic AND LEAD TO MASS GENOCIDE!
>AZEM WOULD HAVE FIXED EVERYTHING IF NOT FOR HER!
>>AZEM WOULD HAVE FIXED EVERYTHING IF NOT FOR HER!
Wasn't Azem part of her group? Wasn't that the whole reason he got banished and why his crystals don't have his memories in them?
Azem resigned from the Ascian council and didn't return Venat's calls. We don't know what the frick Azem did between the Final Days and the Sundering or how they died.
If I recall Azem didn't take a side but rather struck out to find another solution. Problem is we have no idea of what happened beyond that, leading to people making wild assumptions to support their own argument.
>azem is (You)
>everyone has a different idea about what he did during the final days
K I N O
>meet Azem later
>only exchange *nods*
The convocation was butthurt because Azem would rather stay in that island making wine than dealing with their bullshit,
Azem said frick both sides I’m try to find out how to fix it myself
What was there to fix? If the Unsundered didn't ape out the 13 Shards and the Source would've been all cool barring the whole Meteion thing
Yea the Meteion thing is really fricking important
Azem had a plan to fix everything before venat sundering the shit out of the world.
Azem probably was trying to figure out why it happend, then how to fix the problem.
>Nah, I won't support Zodiark because sacrificing people is wack but also not directly oppose it because we need to survive
>Nah, I won't support Hydaelyn because ??? but also not directly oppose it because ???
>Disappears and does nothing as Venat kills off everyone who commited the crime of being still alive after the Final Days
Azem was easily the biggest homosexual of the bunch. Hermes has the excuse of being clinically insane and Venat could be explained away with a guessing game whether or not doing something will erase all time forever.
Azem had no excuses for inaction.
Talking about real shit, is everyone ready to witness yet another "memory wipe" bullshit in the raid series stories?
I don't see why they'd need it. Elidibus had Alzheimer's but he explicitly remembered the events of Pandaemonium (which is why he sent you to Elpis at all) and Lahabrea was completely fricking insane by the time he met you.
venat looks like THAT?
Do you think if the Christian god looked like this we'd be worshiping her at her feet?
>not fapping to virgin mary
There is nothing wrong with anti-nihilism tho
I'd like to take Venat as my lawfully wedded wife and impregnate her if you know what I mean.
this but Y'shtola
I'd like to marry and impregnate all naturally white haired women in FFXIV.
>tfw the world will constantly be in danger of being destroyed simply because you exist
WoL let zenos free zodiark just to see what would happen
Only moral outcome was that the Ancients had died, since they created the conditions for their own downfall
>reddit shit
I didn't read any of this thread but I did save all the pictures of Venat.
SHE WAS JUST 13999 YEARS 11 MONTHS 30 DAYS 23 HOURS 37 SECONDS OLD YOU SICK FRICKS!!!
only mentally ill females, trannies and beta males play this and they all need headcannon the shit out of everything and mod the game to make everything lewd because they never touched another human before. Game is pretty decent. Community is fricking shit and schizo mental.
Ummmmmmmm this is not OK
FFXIV has many problematic statements.
I miss Minfillia's stomach and breasts. Have any other girls had a similar model?
>problematic
See an underdeveloped civilisation for what it is before fantasizing about what it could be.
Just ignore context and the overarching narrative.
>looney troons in charge of reading comprehension
People insist that venat was written poorly when she was probably the second strongest character next to emet when the only truly poorly written character is fandaniel his motives were flimsy at best ( muh Xanadu muh suffering) and trying to tie him to herme's bet was moronic. Its almost as bad as the gay cat staying around to suck your dick more when his role in the story was over.
>the only truly poorly written character is fandaniel his motives were flimsy at best
The man just wanted to die. It doesn't get any simpler than that. If anything he was the only villain that I could actually identify with.
But then why did he help you multiple times and why did he ruin Zeno's plan to just destroy everything to fight you he's just too inconsistent for his reasoning to be "I just wanna die".
Because he's like every other suicidal lunatic. He wants to die, but at the same time, there's that small part that doesn't want to die.
Theres so many people that chose Venat or Emet and just hate on Hermes in this quest and it just hurts my soul
Do these people not think at all what these 3 people had done? and even try to contemplate their actions? to understand and feel their reasons?
The dumbest ones are those that's saying Hermes was just crazy, like please dont play the game anymore, it just hurts my soul
There the only correct option is either the first or the last one. But Hermes was a bad character all around.
>The the only correct option is either the first or the last one
I agree
>But Hermes was a bad character all around
Do explain.
The game itself points out what a fricking moron he was with the entire Meteion experiment
I'd argue Hermes was the most complex character, while Emet was the most "humane" character
Venat isn't as deep as both but was really love personified, but also the most "evil", she kinda reminds me of a parent that really loves her child but can be wrong with her convictions at times.
t. Hermes
Hermes was just shit as a character and the entire Elpis ark just showed that they rushed that part of the story out of the door.
They should have cut out everything after Zodiark and made another expansion with it intead of rushing these characters so hard that even if they have a point, it's almost impossible to see since if you blink you'll miss it.
Instead we got two expansion needing stories smashed into a single expansion which means that neither the first or 2nd half of EW gives enough room for all of the characters to even just breathe properly
I think they crammed 2 expacs into one so they could move the A team over to ff16.
I sat on this choice for half an hour discussing with a friend. We came to the conclusion that Venat, Emet, and None are the only good answers. Emet did the best he could with the information he had, same as Venat keeping the timeline intact so that WoL comes about and everything is put into place. Hermes fricked up majorly, and cannot be forgiven for the monumental damage he caused all life in the universe because he got introspective and was scared by what he saw.
I just realized this WoL reminds me of a fricking isekai protagonist.
Naming his moves and saying them, gaining crazy powers and doing that thing they do where they have some big angry boy speech. How fricking lame.
Shounen protagonist.
Those are shounen protagonist tropes.
Shounen protag can be a lot of things, Isekai is uniquely unlikeable and attrociously written.
Hermes was just a product of his environment
High functioning autist given too much power
Venat wanted to end the fantasy her people were trying to live, Emet-Selch loved his people so much he would end billions to save them, Hermes realized his society was fricked up and wanted someone to share his burden
The Ancients would've eventually died to Meteion, this is fact. Either she would've enacted another, greater Final Days or they would've become too melancholic to care about appeasing Zodiark
STOP SKIPPING
If only AST artifact gear looked like that
In the end, the fact that she wasn't evil was the real twist.
You're not one of those pussy homosexuals who doesn't PVP because you got your shit pushed in once or twice, are you anon?
I PvP solely for the daily bonus and try my best
FRICK FEEDERS
FRICK PEOPLE THAT DONT TRY
and really, frick the lack of CC immunity jesus fricking christ
What about your Guard? Or maybe you'd prefer Paladin or Dark Knight with their limit breaks. The more I play with the PVP kits, the more balanced I find them tbqh.
PVP is probably one of the best features of XIV right now. All you gotta do is learn how to play one of the jobs and then learn all the other jobs limit breaks so you know what's being thrown at you.
Guard is a start but I find that being chain CC'd even after blowing my anti-CC ability is baffling. This is something Blizzard figured out over a decade ago when they realized people could stunlock you from 100 to 0. I'm sure this isn't a problem in Crystal Conflict but I don't do that
If you get swamped by an entire alliance, yea, Guard will just delay the inevitable. But there are specific things that will get you, even with Guard, like NIN's LB which will kill you under 50% HP even if you have Guard up and MNK's LB which specifically breaks Guard. An escape strategy is something everyone needs in Frontlines. When I play ranged, I just stay the frick away from the front most of the times.
Frontlines numbers have been great for a while now and that's before the 6.1 PVP changes. I actually think CC participation may be lower since it's a more intense and intimate mode. You really gotta pull your weight or you can tank your team, where as in Frontlines building battle highs is an alternative goal to winning the match.
You know, there used to be WAY more jank. Things are a lot better now. And in that webm, the attacking team basically did nothing for the first 90 seconds of the match and just waited near their spawn point so everyone's Limit Breaks could fully charge, which charges automatically, before attacking another team from their back, which usually full of the squishy ranged players at a corner of the map they couldn't really retreat from. Pretty smart potato.
Numbers don't mean shit to when the experience is awful. These moronic devs removed Fetterward while adding more CC, just shows how moronic and incompetent they are
>PVP is probably one of the best features of XIV right now
No, it isn't. The servers are still garbage, purify/resilience barely works and the balance is a joke.
this looks like a janky 1 shot fest.
>janky one shot fest
Play Ninja and it can be like that
I mean, the dude gets 2 ko's within 5 seconds of engaging in that webm.
He's not one shotting anyone. The people he's killing are getting zerged while he gets the lucky killing blows
>2 points on my Battle High no matter how much I contribute to the kill
loving it
Ko gets10 and assist get 2 which is fricking moronic if you did 99% of the damage
Amazingly, it isn't. Dumb shit devs balanced PvP around 5vs5 push the crystal (cart) game mode. Guess what happens when you also use that for a 72 player mode, a garbage experience happens. So to mitigate this they just gave everyone more damage resistance in the 72 player mode, now nothing dies unless a ton of people gank them and perma CC them from 100 to 0.
>Guess what happens when you also use that for a 72 player mode
A wonderful time full of beautiful memories.
This doesn't and can't happen anymore thanks to the DR update
holy frick, why can't my team ever do that
You'd be surprised how little coordination you need from people to do well in FL. Mostly, it's just people being shit and not knowing how their job works and how to stay out of trouble out in the field. Like, the number of people die pointlessly in matches is at least 50% of the deaths in any match.
because it is, pvp is fricked
>frontline
>""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""balanced""""""""""""""""
The best team always wins.
Yeah the team exploiting paladin to cap the points for free always wins.
>other team's strategy is winning
>doesn't copy them and level the playing field
PvP is terrible. Imagine bragging about have zero standards.
sauce?
Not everything is porn, anon.
>stun based gameplay
>filling "I win!" meters
had enough of that shit in overwatch
>Zodiark was created to save an entire population
>Hydaelyn was powerful enough to sunder Zodiark
>Zodiark wasn't a beautiful man of perfection
>Hydaelyn wasn't a horrific monster
Dumb, at least calling her Venat, acknowledging she was once a person in the end and having a monster shed a tear would've been nice
>Zodiark wasn't a beautiful man of perfection
>Hydaelyn wasn't a horrific monster
They were both originally shaped like elementals. Them being retconned into being Chaos and Cosmos respectively was a decision that was forced on them from the higher ups, same with Endwalker being just one expansion rather than two.
gotta have that DUDE REMEMBER OTHER GAME shtick going.
>They were both originally shaped like elementals
Any art of this? I'm very interested
Bro? Your Shadowbringers?
oh, how embarrassing. I always kind of figured these were just interpretations
You'd think so but there are also similar statues in Amaurot on top of some buildings. So yeah, prior to Endwalker retconning 99% of the game they were literally just giant elementals embodying the planet.
True, if you look at Hade's staff in the main MSQ boss fight, the staff is a purple elemental body representing Zodiark .
That was just the prototype design for Zodiark.
As all Creations, the full incarnation looked different due to the thoughts of the ones creating it. It became a deity.
AEE YOU TRYING TO LIVE????? NOOOOOOOOOO I CAN'T LET YOU DO THAT *kills her entire race and condemns them all for eternity*
bro just keep sacrificing people, I'm sure it'll work out
YAS QUEEN SLAY (your own people)
I stopped reading the fanfic when they had nero and cid die. homosexual GoT mentality.
>Our world was totally perfect. Well, as long as you ignore the fact that we basically held no respect for life and saw death as the ultimate reward and had no problem with un-aliving people should the occasion call for it
>Oh, and ignore whatever Lahabrea is doing in the basement. If it gets too wild we'll just wipe the whole place from existence. So don't worry about it.
It unironically sounds amazing. Libertarian paradise
>held no respect for life
>*eats slaughtered cow*
Why do people hold them to so much higher a standard?
>Friendly reminder that you were just supposed to an hero after having spent enough years on the planet to "fullfill your purpose"
>Even if everyone is an immortal demi-god that can just fart resources out of existance
Not even our own society is that fricking cruel
You're not "supposed to", it's just a tradition. And really, it's the only smart way for a society of near-immortals to operate, since it allows old generations to be replaced with new ones and for new perspectives and ideas to flourish.
Ra La is what you get when everyone just decides to live forever and nobody comes up with a new thought for a billion years.
I'm not saying that it doesn't make logical sense, it's that what their society thinks is a "gift" Hermes and Venat quickly points out that it's pretty dumb to want others to KYS just so that some other people can come along and then also KYS so that the cycle can repeat over and over again when it's not really needed.
It's pretty much just a tradition at the point we travel back in time too
I don't really see anything wrong with it. If anything Hermes' perspective was self-destructive, an example of how too much empathy can be a bad thing.
Well yeah, the writers points that out pretty clearly, but that doesn't mean that Venat or Heremes doesn't have a point.
You could also argue that the entire cyclical natrue of their society is dumb since they are literaly immortal, there is no reason to birth more Ascians onto the star and it's also sort of counterproductive with the entire "perfect the star" mantra that their society seems to live and die by since you would have to waste time teaching all of the younglings what they are supposed to do before they can ultimatley just take the place of a former Ascian who kys'd
I think that Ascian society was written like this thanks to the writters putting themselves in a corner with how they try to make it a paradise with no real apparent flaws, but they still needed to show that even if it was close to perfect, there still were some flaws that birhted the entire Zodiark vs Hydaelyn story
It would probably be worse if they tried to remove themselves from the cycle of life. I think this was originally the intent behind the third sacrifice idea, but then the writers just gave up on that.
But.. it would be needed on some level. If everyone lived forever, wouldn't that take up all the lifestream's aether? So some people do need to die eventually. Being able to choose when to go also sounds a lot nicer than any death waiting for you or me.
>You're not "supposed to", it's just a tradition
No matter how dystopian you try to make the ancient society in your strawman, it is still infinitely better than anything going on current Eitherys.
All the moreso that current Eitherys is basically doomed to go the way of Global Citizens and the like where as ancients had a built in counter to the Ra-La problem through reincarnation.
>create Crystal Braves
>learn nothing
>create Crystal Braves 2: Continental Edition
Thanks Alphinaud...
>strawman
Feel free to point out which part is the strawman.
>>Our world was totally perfect. Well, as long as you ignore the fact that we basically held no respect for life and saw death as the ultimate reward and had no problem with un-aliving people should the occasion call for it
>>Oh, and ignore whatever Lahabrea is doing in the basement. If it gets too wild we'll just wipe the whole place from existence. So don't worry about it.
just about sums it up methinks.
Everything in that post is supported by the game.
Once you get over your samegayging, feel free to provide any one screencap proving your rambling isn't a strawman. Every part of it, by the way. Not one cherrypicked part and then pretending the whole thing somehow actually happened.
Actually, only thing in that post is supported by the game and it's been posted already in this thread.
It doesn't actually support the strawman either and if you played the game you already know that
I'm guessing that the streamer you watched just skipped through major parts of Elpis or something.
it was probably that guy who autistically wrote notes on every cutscene but still somehow didnt understand what happened in the story
>rape and murder in current age
>racism in current age
>people will literally kill each another because they are hungry
>people will kill each another because of land
you are literally not refuting his point.
you all are so moronic
meteion and hermes was just a small catalyst
their society was already fricked, if there was no meteion and hermes there will always be another catalyst due to how bored they are with life
>Graha ate a burger
>This somehow ruins Endwalker
how the frick can this moron complain about burgers while wearing that fricking street wear?
Everyone I see wearing contemporary clothing I wish a very chronically painful rest of their life
His thread rewriting the whole story is actually hilarious.
Post more Venat
Why is Urianger still a trusted companion?
>Runs off with the Warriors of Darkness
>Consorted with Ascians
>Withholds the knowledge that eating the Lifewardens will probably kill you and the Crystal Exarch is willing to die to prevent this
>Apprehensive secretive bullshit in Endwalker
I mean, the crystal exarch knew it could kill you too. They didn't know how much light you might be able to absorb, and that would have really sucked if you popped on the first one. why don't you blame him as well? he tells you nothing of that danger.
Crystal Cat gets a notch, however, he dies
Because when you're frickable you can literally get away with anything.Urianger could straight up stab the WoL and he would eventually be forgiven.
>As far as anyone is concerned after the Exarch gets kidnapped, Uriangers plotting directly lead to the death of WoL and The First as a whole
>Promise to never lie again on an off chance that you survive this
>You survive this against all the odds
>2 whole weeks pass
>Urianger is back to lying both to scions AND to you directly
I came here for Vemat porn and I see a severe lack of it
People who complain about XIV's MMO or social elements are just morons.
as a lalachad
would she breast feed me?
No, lalas dont feed on milk
Oh boy I've been waiting for a lore thread so here I go
If any of you watch digimon adventure, you'll understand my theory easier.
I think that the main scions of endwalker is directly inspired by the digimon adventure cast
Yshtola = Koushiro (Knowledge)
She literally has the same arc as koushiro in which the knowledge of him actually being adopted hurts him but he still moves forward, literally the same fricking arc and is what made me notice this similarity
Estinien = Yamato (Friendship)
Has a broken family with a younger brother who is literally alphinaud, also a loner
G'raha = Jou (Sincerity)
The personality isnt similar but constantly tries his best and undermines his own effort like jou does
Thancred = Sora (Love)
Didn't know what love was when he was a kid and now he's a parnet (kinda like Sora) he understands his past mentor's love for him
Urianger = Mimi (Purity)
Though he lives with deception most of the time, his heart and soul will always remain pure
Alphinaud = Takeru (Hope)
He knows he is naive but still he won't ever lose hope and try to be better, just like Takeru's arc. Also Estinien is his big bro, just like Yamato and Takeru
Alisae = Hikari (Light)
She never gives up even though others already have, just like alisae and Ga'bu
WoL = Taichi (Courage)
WoL is basically the embodiment of courage, and he also has Taichi's stupidity at times, but the most damning thing is Azem's crest is literally Taichi's crest of courage, and its even in fricking orange
Thanks for reading my blog and don't forget to reply to me.
'ate Venatgays
'ate Zodiarkgays
'ate Hermesgays
Luv me some Golbez. Simple as.
Can anyone explain to me why I would play this instead of WoW? The game just plays so slow with a 2.5 GCD on everything.
To me it seems like a lot of people just play this to ERP with mods that give your cat girl huge breasts.
>The game just plays so slow with a 2.5 GCD on everything
it gets better, the problem is the "better" takes a good 60-70 levels when your Job starts feeling good for once
>it gets better
Not really, RDM is basically the same from 50 to 90.
>the problem is the "better" takes a good 60-70 levels
>try playing past level 10
So which is it?
FF14 is mostly for characters, stories, and the pretty stuff. It was never meant to be a game with great combat system. Even the job system is there so no customization is allowed. Compare it to FF11 which had far more customization options since it was based off Everquest.
WoW is a better game for gamers. More action based and more customization. The sole problem is that the game's story and presentation is dated. Nor does it have the nostalgia effect that the older mmos have cause it's too mixed with old and new styles.
So if I've always played WoW by just skipping all dialogue and cutscenes, I shouldn't bother with FFXIV?
I've never played an MMO that didn't have a completely boring story because most are written like a saturday morning cartoon.
Oh you're going to hate FF14 if you skip the story. Thats literally the only reason to play it.
Don't play FFXIV if you hate stories in MMOs.
XIV could be described as a jRPG first and an MMO second. If you aren't in it for the story, there's very little of interest in there for you.
You still will have to deal running across the world from npc to npc and content being locked behind the main story so you'll just have a miserable time.
>Even the job system is there so no customization is allowed.
And this is a good thing. I haven't played a single MMO where customization didn't ultimately boil down to "take these options if you want to do X"
>I haven't played a single MMO where customization didn't ultimately boil down to "take these options if you want to do X"
Thats because the only mmo you played was FFXIV. Which is more of a Second Life clone.
>moron that never played any mmos
I recall a game having 60+ classes and the most picked class was a two hand sword man because it did the most damage and people all build it the same way. The game had riding classes, cyro, pyro, time mage, and a lot of other stuff but it wasn’t big damage
Tree of Savior literally was a game where you built your character out of classes, and the only reason the two hand sword man did a lot of damage cause he chose other classes to supplement you dumb assuming homosexual. And just because one build is popular does not stop other players from building different characters. Dumbass
Yea that’s the game I’m talking about and you’re proving the point that choice didn’t matter because 99% of homosexuals will just pick what’s the see doing good damage and not use any of the other 60+ classes with fun/ unique game play.
>and you’re proving the point that choice didn’t matter because 99% of homosexuals will just pick what’s the see doing good damage
You are so fricking off the charts, it's insane. If damage only mattered in ToS, I'd somewhat agree. Except there's a reason there's party builds necessary for endgame. Two sword hand man (they likely changed the balance of this since the last I played) could not make up an entire party. He dies real easily.
I can tell you're a damage gay cause only damage gays will go
>why would you pick any other class if it doesnt have max damage?
When I first started to play when it came out that’s all I seen and that was all that was played, does help that the game was a buggy mess when it released
the problem is at least those false choices still allow you to play in different ways
every job in every role in ffxiv plays the same except for blm
we have false choices either way, but the ffxiv way is boring on top of being a false choice
thats because you didnt play a lot of mmos and you are shitting yourself in "anxiety" thinking people will force meta on you
try playing past level 10
I hate how it gets compared to wow. jesus. played that mess about a year ago to max level and the entire time I was spamming one button as fast as possible and rarely one other button. Every class in wow is like playing healer in xiv
FF14 shouldnt even be described as a mmo. It's more like a social mmo more than a game mmo. Roblox is more of a game than FF14.
So go play Roblox?
>He doesn't play roblox
>Just dodging
>No attack rotations
just mash 123 123 123 123 123 123 123 bro
homosexual
Dishonest.
>Tanks have simple rotation,but must manage damage mit and tank swaps
>Healers have simple rotation, but must manage heath/shield
>Dps have more involved rotations
Oh I'm sorry I mean 123 123 123, FILL METER, press 4.
wow
You are either lying or ignorant to think that's an accurate description of dps rotations
That basically is WAR's rotation
But war isn’t a DPS you moron
Its also Reaper's rotation, with the cherry that your 123 changes to a different 123 when you press the edgy button instead of transforming your existing 123 into the new 123. Because button bloat is cool i guess
You’re pressing way more than 1,2,3 as a reaper at level 90, you clearly have no fricking ideas what you’re talking about because you’re pressing like 9 buttons and that’s the bare minimum to not be completely shit
Not really? I mean kinda, you press more than 123, but Reaper's extra buttons are just to skip further into its 123s so it can get into edgy mode to press the edgy 123s for a bit.
Its a very boring job
But it’s not a 1,2,3 buttons you Black person, stop making up stuff in bad faith. I don’t care if you find it boring just don’t be a Black person about it.
>BLM
>get 3 charges for your big dps attack
>use 3 charges, 2 free dmg resources, and spam big dps, until you run out of mana and hit your bigger dps button
>switch to little dps mode to get more charges/mana
>use your meter damage button from time to time
And you do this for hundreds of hours; that's just one example, but you guys grossly overexaggerate how much you have to think about while you play. God forbid enemies weren't glorified punching bags and were actually unpredictable.
>but you guys grossly overexaggerate how much you have to think about while you play
Vasty more accurate than
>Press 1.2.3 bro
>Oh jeez, rolling the same rotation that you've been rolling for 200 hours is hardcore as frick. Sometimes we even have to press an extra button when our rgb meter fills up.
Lmao. No buying potions, food and materia off of mb isn't "deep gameplay"
Like in that mechanic the boss isn't even there and the only dps check is the titan gay baby jail that will appear once you approach it.
just beat this fight actually and this is great
half the people in the static used a sim as well but not roblox. this is amazing
PVP doesnt work in FF cause the game has the clunkiest battle system I've ever seen. I keep being reminded of mobile game tier action.
I haven't played the game in a few months because of boredom, but does anyone have any good static infighting clips from the new ultimate?
I just saw the week old "don't whatever me bro" one, but there's gotta be more
I love watching them for some reason
>I just saw the week old "don't whatever me bro" one
Post it
Just watch from this timestamp
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1541582867?t=2h33m55s
VOUCH FOR ME
VOUCH
it gets old after getting reposted so many times
I can't believe someone managed to make it even worse LOL
Never listen to reddit or any fanfic writer who thinks they can write better. These trannies dont knwo the first thing about writing stories
Final Fantasy Fourtkino is Gankercore and all WoWgays and trolls can frick the frick off
Male au ra wearing street wear is a huge red flag
you're slaughtered just as many mooks as him and people love you because you do it for the right reasons. Only redditors think this line is some kinda zinger
So, what the frick is Venat's plan in the doomed timeline now since WoL is dead
nothing, because her entire PLAN is so fricking stupid that relies on EMET-SELCH having sex. Yep her entire planned literally work because emet-selch had sex with a human.
>relies on emet having sex
It so fricking stupid its funny. Never thought about it, but from her pov that would literally be a emet she literally cant comprehend.
IT WASN'T ABOUT METEION
AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH
YOU FRICKING Black folk I'VE BEEN SCREAMING AT A WALL FOR 9 FRICKING MONTHS AT THIS POINT
VENAT WASN'T TRYING TO STOP METEION THAT WASN'T HER FRICKING CONCERN WITH THE SUNDERING
THE WORLD WAS ALREADY SAFE BEHIND ZODIARK'S SHIELD
VENAT'S CONCERN WAS EVERYONE REVERTING BACK TO THEIR PRE-FINAL DAYS BULLSHIT VIEW OF THE WORLD AND EVENTUALLY COMMITTING MASS SUICIDE
SHE WANTED THEM TO MOVE ON AND LEARN TO ACCEPT SUFFERING AS A PART OF LIFE SO THEY WOULDN'T BECOME INDOLENT AND APATHETIC AGAIN
YOU CAN ARGUE OVER HER MORAL JUSTIFICATION IN FORCING THAT ON THEM BUT YOU Black folk ARE SOMEHOW STILL ARGUING ABOUT FRICKING TIME TRAVEL PLOTHOLES AND METEION HOLY SHIT PAY ATTENTION TO THE FRICKING STORY
Venatgays are insane holy shit
>IT WASN'T ABOUT METEION
okay why kill the ancient?
>VENAT'S CONCERN WAS EVERYONE REVERTING BACK TO THEIR PRE-FINAL DAYS BULLSHIT VIEW OF THE WORLD AND EVENTUALLY COMMITTING MASS SUICIDE
They stop commiting mass suicide when they realized that using the newly born life they can bring the souls inside zodiark back to life.
>SHE WANTED THEM TO MOVE ON AND LEARN TO ACCEPT SUFFERING AS A PART OF LIFE SO THEY WOULDN'T BECOME INDOLENT AND APATHETIC AGAIN
but they never did it because she killed them all. Her entire plan was stupid because the ancient literally had no chance.
>okay why kill the ancient?
She didn't kill them, she sundered them so they would live on in a fragmented form that would be forced to face suffering and learn to deal with it.
>They stop commiting mass suicide when they realized that using the newly born life they can bring the souls inside zodiark back to life.
The mass suicide I'm talking about isn't Zodiark. Go run through the Dead Ends and look around the final area.
>She didn't kill them, she sundered them so they would live on in a fragmented form that would be forced to face suffering and learn to deal with it.
Dude....they literally died. The sundering was genocide.
>The mass suicide I'm talking about isn't Zodiark. Go run through the Dead Ends and look around the final area.
The plenty? Oh not this garbage talking point. They started to kill themselves the moment Meteion appeared as a fully despair bringing god. They literally had no idea that Meteion was the reason they felt such despair.
You did notice how the beast that summon was a blasphemy..right? Did you also notice how it had wings?
>Dude....they literally died. The sundering was genocide.
No, they were sundered. They weren't killed. The first people after the sundering were sundered Ancients.
>They started to kill themselves the moment Meteion appeared as a fully despair bringing god. They literally had no idea that Meteion was the reason they felt such despair.
Meteion didn't bring any despair, you're mixing up the series of events. Meteion soaked up despair from THEM. They were already apathetic and had nothing to live for, and when Meteion posed the question they finally realized it and decided they should just die. That's the exact situation the Ancients were going to end up in, which is what Hermes was scared of. The Ancients didn't value life and they had forgotten what death truly was to the point they began to idealize it. Their lives were so perfect that they had even begun to lose their creative spark. They were heading straight down a path of suicide.
Yeah, you can argue about if she was right or not but it's beyond fricking stupid that you guys are still arguing about Venat's decision being about maintaining a fricking time loop or something. You're all still arguing about it being a plothole that she didn't tell them about Meteion when the truth is that Meteion was no longer an issue once Zodiark's shield went up. At that point the issue was the direction their society was heading.
>At that point the issue was the direction their society was heading.
It never was.
The fact that reincarnation canonically exists in FFXIV and that ancients actively used it to "restart" their lives meant the only "inevitable" conclusion for their society, ie Ra-La will never happen. Assuming this logic also ironically means that they instead went the way of Global Citizens destroying themselves in an insane civil war. Thankfully, that wasn't Venats problem with the ancients. Mostly because Venat had no problems beyond "You are supposed to suffer and cope" evil mindrot and your milage may vary whether that's better or worse than what was previously stated.
>The fact that reincarnation canonically exists in FFXIV and that ancients actively used it to "restart" their lives
Reincarnation isn't a restart dude, it just recycles your soul into another person. And that fricked up view of death is exactly the problem. None of them had any problem with killing themselves once they had nothing else to do.
It wasn't fine, that's what Hermes was trying to say. Their views on their lives were completely fricked up. They claimed to see death as a wonderful rest at the end of their lives but then recoil when it's actually referred to as death. And you can see their true reaction to death when the Final Days hit. They were living in a bubble. The other problem is illustrated when Hythlo is talking about sharks. The bubble the Ancients were living in had begun stifling their creativity. It wasn't about solving problems anymore, so ideas were drying up and whenever someone did come up with something novel everyone was copying it.
it wasn't fine according to one emo's subjective beliefs
and the world continued to turn
of course death through one's volition is infinitely more appealing than forcible death by another's hand
how is that even some kind of gotcha that you imagine you've manage to create
>it wasn't fine according to one emo's subjective beliefs
You're shown yourself that it wasn't fine both when you walk through the fake Amaurot and when you visit Elpis. You're being intentionally dense because you don't want to accept that the Ancient society had problems. The idea that perfection can lead to apathy just flies right past you.
>how is that even some kind of gotcha that you imagine you've manage to create
You're somehow not understanding, or refusing to understand, that their flippant view of life and death is the core issue. They didn't care about life, they saw it as something they could give and take on a whim. And why? Because they didn't care about death. Death was nothing to them, in their eyes it was something they could choose as they pleased, just a nice vacation waiting whenever they wanted. But the fact is that it was only their magical advancements that had made it that way. The true death and suffering was always a possibility waiting around the corner. They had lifted themselves up for so long that they forgot what it was to suffer, and thus why their situation shouldn't have been taken for granted. That's exactly why they broke when the Final Days came, compared to the people of Etheirys who were used to facing suffering.
Their reaction changed because they were confronted with a reality they'd been denying.
What reality their being denied? Stupid Black person. They were indifferent to death and choose to die once they feel like it. Not different from reality where people die peacefully after growing too old are you really this fricking stupid? Ofc they were afraid to death on the final days.
>What reality their being denied?
That they weren't above death and that death was not a nice cozy vacation. Going without suffering for so long made them take their situation for granted.
>they weren't even perfect and their cycle of rebirth was a pretty good method to escape the fate of ra-la.
How would new Ancients be reincarnated if they all committed suicide and there was nobody to give birth?
>How would new Ancients be reincarnated if they all committed suicide and there was nobody to give birth?
but that didn't happen and wouldn't happen in the future either so that is a moot point
>society idealizes death as the ultimate goal
>one of Emet's shades proposes the question of what happens when they have no more work to do
>writers show you an identical society that committed collective suicide when they had nothing left to do
>"wouldn't happen"
You people are unreal.
and what's wrong with collective suicide after you reached your peak as a civilization?
Instead of asking what's wrong with it, ask what's right.
How does mass suicide benefit peak civilization?
what are you talking about
they literally already commit suicide when they feel like they have no more work to do
and yet etheirys has persisted consistently and without trouble in this static situation for thousands of years
the difference between ra-la followers and the people of etheirys is that they understood that they had their own limits and it was important to have others pick up the torch where they left off
>A system of reincarnation in place so that people can re-experience life as brand new meaning their society as a whole will never truly run out of stuff to do
>NO BUT WHAT IF THEY DID THO LIKE THE GUYS WHO DIDN'T HAVE THIS SYSTEM IN PLACE?!?!?!?!
The only unreal thing here is what a tool you are.
>How would new Ancients be reincarnated if they all committed suicide and there was nobody to give birth?
They would be reborn as another species. People don't just reincarnate into people.
Imagine dying while your wife is pregnant being reborn as your own son.
>tfw no mommywife
Literally happened in the steppe.
? i didn't say ancient etheirys was perfect, i said it was fine. minor issues here and there that in no way justified a genocide
>the idea that perfection can lead to apathy just flies right past you
they weren't even perfect and their cycle of rebirth was a pretty good method to escape the fate of ra-la. they were in no danger of any of the crises you pretend they were doomed to have
I mean their reaction to death changed because the whole world was ending dude and its now like all of them killed themselves daily. It was on super rare ocassions and you can even factor in the thing that they were eternal and we're just mere mortals who cant grasp that concept.
>None of them had any problem with killing themselves once they had nothing else to do.
>They are supposed to suffer for my amusement instead
I am tired of low functioning autists projecting our values onto fantastical societies that would never develop in the same way we did due to inane biological differences.
You aren't being smart or witty, you are the quintessencial evil dipshit from the tyranny of the moral busybodies proposed by CS Lewis
>actually suicide because you can't think of anywhere else to go is a good thing! AND YOU'RE A FRICKING SJW IF YOU THINK OTHERWISE WOOOOW SO YOU THINK IT'S A BAD THING FOR THE LAST SPARK OF LIFE IN THE UNIVERSE TO KILL ITSELF BECAUSE OF SELF-IMPOSED APATHY WOOOWWWW YOU'RE JUST FRICKING EVIL
>actually suicide because you can't think of anywhere else to go is a good thing! AND YOU'RE A FRICKING SJW IF YOU THINK OTHERWISE WOOOOW SO YOU THINK IT'S A BAD THING FOR THE LAST SPARK OF LIFE IN THE UNIVERSE TO KILL ITSELF BECAUSE OF SELF-IMPOSED APATHY WOOOWWWW YOU'RE JUST FRICKING EVIL
>t. Venatgay
Defend this.
Unironically yes. No one other than yourself can claim ownership of your life and thus no one should have a right to deny you becoming an hero as an option for whatever reason. Trash that tries should be put down like the animals they are.
? etheirys was functioning fine without meteion lol
>No, they were sundered. They weren't killed. The first people after the sundering were sundered Ancients.
Damn. Brainlets shouldnt be allowed to post
>She didn't kill them
>She just cut their lifespans by orders of magnitude so that they instantly die of old age 🙂
anon she didnt kill them 🙂 Just forced the concept of mortality upon them where they are easily capable of dying of lack of food or water.
Also for good measure, she made sure that they don't remember anything important and live like cavemen the first 3000 years and have a lifespan of 25 years.
Thank god for Venat, the hero was needed.
Venat is the fujo's self insert. The fact she is suicidal (no one should want to be immortal) is exactly the kind of mindset I expect from her. It's also how her personalty is far different from the Light mother we knew before this expansion who seemed far sweeter and naive.
Lol this shit just made me realize that Venat is literally Jigsaw.
>"i feel like you don't appreciate life enough so i need to torture and/or kill you"
Jigsaw never killed anyone, the most you can charge him with is kidnapping
If you intentionally create the circumstances that lead to someone's death, you're responsible for it.
Putting someone into a death trap with a slim chance of escape is still murder.
>we should introduce cholera back into our water supply because it's bullshit that modern sanitation is preventing you from suffering from dysentry
>SHE WANTED THEM TO MOVE ON AND LEARN TO ACCEPT SUFFERING AS A PART OF LIFE SO THEY WOULDN'T BECOME INDOLENT AND APATHETIC AGAIN
I guess she failed since Allag proved that sufficiently advanced sundered will do the same thing but with more totalitarianism.
ARR relic grinding isn't so bad when you just want to train up your chocobo, great way to kill two birds with one stone.
What's the least grindy relic in current year?
HW for sure, but the Eureka one isn't terrible either if you skip the armor and can stand doing Eureka.
HW can be earned passively. The majority of it is poetic dumps really. But if you really want to gun for one of those and need alot of poetics, you can always aim for SB/ShB Relics at the same time since Eureka and Bozja NM/Encounters drop a good chunk of tomes too.
This game's story is fricking gay, and you proto-redditors are just as gay. Pull the trigger.
Endsinger was right holy shit this thread
>I'm sad
>Die please
No
Im glad you skipped cutscenes
yes, because you cant take 2 hours of this same crap thinking its "2deep4me" shit.
Oh no other worlds failed AAAAAAAA KILL EVERYONE LIFE HAS NO QUANTIFIABLE MEANING
Sorry. I understood it more than you
this is it. the lowest point. a literal reddit thread making to post limit. can't go lower than that
WTF is Nomura's obsession with goth chicks?
They are hot.
female chuunis
50 year old mane desperately trying to make his blatant fetish into a recurring character archetype.
He has great tastes.
Filed under Missing Persons
>Neat lore discussion
>A bit of pvp and Venat posting
>No oneposting their character asking how kawaiiuguu they are or how they want to frick/eb anyone
Of fricking course I had to be away from my PC and I can't wolly participate
You guys are great.
Keep the love.
My wife Azem (former) is very cute
How could the ancients fight dynamis without venat sundering them? Fanfiction gays need not reply
By learning to cope with suffering. Ancient magic already utilized dynamis anyway. If Hythlo hadn't jumped into Zodiark, Emet would have actually been their greatest weapon.
Venat was a race traitor and the story went to shit level tier with all the time bs trying to backup the moronic plan she crafted.
I'm so moronic at this braindead game with an even more braindead class that I was doing my melee phase with RDM at equal white/black mana.
FRICK VERHOLY AND VERFLARE MAKE A LOT MORE SENSE NOW
i see emetgay is gorging upon what remains of the (you)crystal
Reminder that the hypothetical complete Alexander would likely been on-par or possibly even better then Zodiark. Because it would have drain ALL Aether of the seven times rejoined Source and we can extrapolate the Shards too considering how Hydaelyn mentions "If the Source goes so do the shards", basically it would have had similar Aether quantity.
And let's not forget that now post-endwalker it is pretty obvious Alexander was not a Ascian plot due the lack of Travanchet AND the fact Alexanders summoning is completely counterproductive to what was the Ascians end goal due not having a off-button, even if you consider the possibility that it was "Plan A" for the Light Rejoining considering Alex was Light element and the time frame would work with it being while The First was undergoing its flooding at the time.
Basically: Thank the Sharlayans and Gobbies for the best and most benevolent Primal who actually saved everyones hide in the long run.
Shadowbringers > Heavenward = Endwalker > Stormblood > A Realm Reborn
Tell me why I'm wrong
You're not
SHB and HW felt like self contained stories with your RPG party. Yes I know they had grander purposes (Preventing the light calamity, opening ishgard to the rest of eorzea) but they still felt like a single grand adventure. SB and EW had you splitting your focus so much. I understand it had to be that way for EW as its a global threat but still.
Endwalker introduces a ton of pointless retcons that only serve to cheapen the rest of the story for the sake of explaining away Endwalker.
There isn't a single part of ARR or Stormblood that can be argued to be worse than vast majority of Endwalker. While they may be not fun or interesting, none of them did any damage to the story outside of their own expansion/maingame.
Regardless of how awful certain parts of Stormblood felt, I never felt like telling someone "Just play til 3.3 and pretend rest of the story never happened" but I certainly felt that way about Endwalker continuing off of 5.3 and I would not recommend anyone play past that expansion patch.
Correct order would be something like:
Shadowbringers = Heavensward >> A Realm Reborn > Stormblood > *Infinite powergaps* > Endwalker
Shadowbringers is incredibly overrated. It feels like a rehash of ARR, the scions are charisma vacuums (except for Thancred) and the plot consists of doing chores for talking animals before collecting your plot coupon and returning to the hub city.
Imo its
ShB > HW >SB > EW >ARR
Endwalker goes like this:
>All that cool tower build up is actually padding
>frick around with elephants and a school
>ummm garlemald time (the only good part of EW)
>Zodiark was actually just a jobber, there is no twist.
>Moon is actually lame as shit
>dude teach rabbits how to cook and sew I guess thats fun right?
>Time Travel! Did it actually happen? Yes and No, but who cares Emett was so marketable we need him back. Just don't think about the time travel aspect of this game in any future expansion please
>Venat seems cool at first until you realize her entire plan doesn't even make sense
>Uh...we need agency in the plot now, so what if the sin eaters came back but they were red now
>Fight some Blasphemeaters for a bit
>Thank god the elf people just invented space travel off screen. Even though they just needed to get to the moon, they made a ship thats apparently a better ship than the moon, you'd think they'd just teleport shit up there like you did with the garlean teleporter.
>Fight Hydaelyn
>she gives you the dragon balls
>go to ultima thule
>the entire ending is just the ending of every single persona game
>Fake sacrifices, wish them back with the dragon balls
>u win but the scions disbanded
>for like 5 minutes
The further we get away from EW's launch, the less and less I like it.
>conveniently all blashpemeaters only appear in two regions of the game except for sidestory cutscenes
There's really no reason they couldn't have done a hero's gauntlet across Eorzea instead of good morning sirs on fire
Or if they really wanted to put work in, have it affect the overworlds too
I feel like FFXIV's story fanbase will soon match that of undertale and homestuck in terms of annoying and sentimental about it, as much as I love it soon it will be very hard to bring it up without homosexuals joining it
>will soon match
Oh, you think it didnt already? morons on reddit are literally crying and pissing their pants because of the story every time they make a new character. You literally cannot mention horsepants without some moron thinking it was the most tragic death in writing.
>Meteion didn't bring any despair
BITCH, THE BIRD IS LITERALLY BLACK. YOU STUPID Black person. LITERALLY BAD FAITH ACTING RIGHT HERE FROM A VENAT homosexual.
You can literally see meteion appear as black bird in that zone you stupid frick. Also the plenty was at the EDGE of the universe, the last civilization she found before returning back to hermes.
Frick you.
METEION IS A Black person
Eww, Jesus gross
Ascian stans are so exhausting
don't mind me, just saw all the idiots taking the bait, maybe i'll get a big fish
I found out the other day if I want the shork minion I have to get into fishing. Tell me. Is it worth it?
its pretty easy to get. follow the instructions of the guy on the fishing raid boat and you'll probably get it in the first couple attempts
Then maybe I'll give it a shot this week. Thanks.
What do you think of Roe x Lala relationship?
The roe who wanted to turn the lala pugilist into a sex slave is literally me.
I meant it in a more wholesome way, like being loveydovey.
android mommy bunnies
Is it still possible to get this outfit?
Yeah it drops from copied factory.
Yes, multiple chests always drop in the copied factory.
Are there any sci fi helmets for MCH? I just saw visors when I checked eorzea collection.
>ancients can use dynamis
>emet selc one of the strongest being on the planted couldnt find a bird child that uses dynamiss to hide
Lol
Emet-Selch's trick was seeing aether, and Meteion could make her aether incredibly thin. He manipulated dynamis as part of his magic, but that's a totally different skill.
Story skipper that was hythos thing
Actual fricking moron. They both had the skill. Hythlo was better at the vision but a poor mage. Emet-Selch had the vision but was an incredibly potent mage. You can go check the lodestone short story and read for yourself then come back and kiss my ass for being a homosexual Black person.
They were both exceptional at it, far beyond other Ancients. Hythlodaeus was the better of the two in terms of sight alone, which is why his shade could see Ardbert where even Hades could not. But that doesn't mean Emet-Selch's aetheric vision was poor. He could still pluck Y'shtola out of the Lifestream just by the color of her soul.
lol
lmao
>anti lyse gays btfo
I don't see the issue with SE milking the second life refugees
Lmao what an ince-
>thinking that being against any of the aforementioned things is wrong even if she doesn't partake
Nevermind
>"ancients can't use dynamis!"
Sure, but they could mqke constructs that could use Dynamis, it's like people forget that Meteion was made by a single ancient as a hobby project.
If Venat had warned all the ancients about what was going on and explained what dynamis was, they could have put their collective heads together for a gorillion years after Zodiark bought them time and figured out a solution.
Has cross DC travel ruined anything for you
Does anyone else think that FFXIV helped cure their autism? I played Shadowbringers and I’m pretty much Emet-Selch in real life, so I decided to try out things he did to gain the Scions trust and create empires. I started by approaching people and explaining my intention to understand them and work together and then walking away while waving my hand. I act snarky and mysterious like Emet and started wearing a fur coat around when I’m outside (I put some epaulets on it too). I’m getting close to gaining the trust of the girls in the apartment next door, I don’t they’ll expect it when I shoot them in the back.
Discord servers are like shards, where I can dive in and create chaos until everyone on the server hates each other and get involved in drama. That’s like tipping the balance between light and dark and I keep track of that too. Eventually the server will implode and that’s like me creating another calamity.
Basically, does anyone else do this stuff? I used to struggle with making friends and only kissed a girl once (she did not like it). But after playing Shadowbringers and seeing myself in Emet I definitely have become a lot cooler and more attractive.
Ancients cant use dynamis period your self insert race was inferior in the grand scheme of things. Deam with it
Yeah but they can create constructs that can interact with dynamis.
so what
humans can't shoot bullets out of their mouth
that doesn't mean they can't make things that can
moron
I enjoy Frontlines.
t. coof specialist
they need to fix the mail system in this game. This is the only game were you have to wait for hours to receive your dlc items that you paid for
Made for PS4/ PS5 servers. pls understandu
That many people buying shit off the cash shop these days, huh?
Wait for hours? Black person what are you talking about, it takes like 5 minutes.
Not him but I had to wait 4 hours to receive the dead emote the other day
What payment system are you using? Ever since I starting buying crysta with paypal instead of letting the online store charge my bank I get my items within 30 minutes tops, usually between 5 minutes of purchase, 10 on the weekends.
Crysta, actually.
To be fair even if it started this way everything else was more of a lore discussion as a whole.
that has absolutely nothing to do with the issue
Anicent gays seething they got blown the frick out by a bird dicky
>Gaia and temporarly delay actions
>That means she could give you multiple orgasms but force you to expirance them all at the same time
Imagine the possibilities.
Ancients cant use dynamis deal with it self insert gays
>579 post because of reddit
jesus christ. There is no hope
I hadn't read the OP until you mentioned it, I just saw Venat, opened the thread, scrolled to the end, started scrolling up, and replied to the first post I wanted to say something to.
move before janny get mad that a post get 600 replies.
Friendly reminder that the only way to convince SE to put more funding into FFXIV is to spend more money on non-FFXIV related projects so those profits can fund XIV and not the other way around.
Did we frick our mom when we were at Elpis?