>strongest ascian
>gets killed by 9/14 of an ascian who doesnt have access to ascian powers
What the hell was his goal? Let his people die again after the rejoining? He obviously isnt fit for saving them
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>>gets killed by 9/14 of an ascian who doesnt have access to ascian powers
Ascians can't limit break.
elidibus limit breaks. and WoL isn't an ascian because Zodiark didnt temper them.
>elidibus limit breaks
I was waiting for this response.
Did you forget that he was merged with a load of sundered?
If anything Elidibus proves that being sundered is necessary to limit break because we have multiple examples of what Ancients use instead of limit breaks with their boss fights and Venat's aether charged attack.
But Emet can LB too.
when
Ktisis.
His pop up text during the dungeon has him specifically say his LB is different than ours, he just uses pure aether.
wasn't Ktisis Hyperboreas some sort of massive power limiter to keep the fauna in there from breaking out?
elidibus was only able to do that cause he tried to use the power of friendship against us.
>Elidibus
Doesn’t count he turned himself into a shonen protagonist
>elidibus limit breaks
no he doesn't, the warrior of light does.
>no he doesn't, the warrior of light does.
high level mental gymnastic
Elidibus is a primal built around the belief in a hero who can surpass limits, not an Ancient
That's my point though ? He's the only one among the ascians that can use "protagonist power".
Elidibus is a embodiment of the ancients and Convocation's wish for hope. He only took on the form of the Warrior of Light.
The whole point of Elidibus is that he was the same side to our coin. He too was able to use hope as strength, but our persistence to live was stronger than his. Or he was limited since he wasn't actually real.
he was shaped by the Sundereds' belief specifically in heroes that can break limits into the Warrior of Light (deliberately created belief, but still)
>he was shaped by the Sundereds' belief specifically in heroes that can break limits
Read the SHB short story about Emet recalling Elidibus. He literally states that Elidibus was the embodiment of their wish for hope.
Play 5.3 where Elidibus literally describes what he did to cultivate belief in the Warrior of Light to feed off of
Yes, but he himself was not a warrior of light. He just took the form of one hoping it would grant him the same power to overcome any obstacle that they had. And it didnt.
he literally was, he bodyjacked the first Warrior of Light in order to begin propagating the belief, and played the role many times across the shards over the course of his life to maintain it.
This whole "Elidibus wasn't actually Elidibus" thing is clearly bullshit since his soul still existed in the tower. He was just corrupted by mantling a primal the same way we'd seen before.
Elidibus can LB thanks to the WoLs fighting with him. LB is shared within the entire party because it’s the sum of all the Dynamis of your party members accumulated through the course of a fight.
The Elidibus WoLs are also convinced that they’re fighting for the sake of the universe so it increases their Dynamis output tenfold.
gameplay and lore segregation
The only plot important unsundered we haven't seen limit break is Lahabread and his kid. Literally every single other one does it either in the main plot or in trusts.
Trusts limit breaking seems to be non canon, they're the ONLY trusts that get a "Limit Breaker" buff specifying they're using a LB.
Here's a more important question: how did you dress up mommy?
>crafter autist
yikes
I HAVE TO play BRD because none of these frickers ever use peloton or not-esuna and it's pissing, maybe even shitting, me off
You can do all special deliveries by fishing
>i helped this au ra feel at home by.. giving her a can of sardines
thanks fishergay
Oh you don't even know how dumb the reasonings get
It took zero effort to do her stuff, I legit just hit some trees a few times and got it done every week
God damn that cat looks so gay. That cat could suck a golf ball through a garden hose. That cat catches for the other team. That cat tried to join the navy but the navy said no way gay.
I had a extra 2b coffer in the inventory for months for some reason,
Now I know why.
I'm tired of bait threads
How is this bait you fricking homosexual?
i sleep
i'd love to run tataru into the ground with my wiener
>9/14
Wouldn't it be (1 * 7/14) + (7 * 1/14)?
No because that’s just 1
>Muh friend debuff
>Complete souls are not direct power level
>Autist of light (x8) + 6 scions and their pesky cat
>Still shrugs off the cum crystal after getting tired of watching wol ressurect 50 times over the course of the fight
>Literally wills himself to death after being convinced that hydaelyn's sexslaves can actually fix stuff better than him
He's the strongest ascian mostly because he's a level 20 wizard savant but the wol is literally under a protection spell that gives him moron strong advantage against him.
You try slamming 12 reflections back into the source world (with one being completely unsalvageable due to becoming Detroit 2) with only the help of one literal moron, an autistic child that hangs out in the moon, and whoever else you can find to carry your cursed fruit gushers only for one to be even more autistic with the hidden intentions to destroy the entire universe and not be easy to get smacked.
Actually he got killed by 8 9/14s of an ascian, which is 72/14 of an ascian and that's quite a bit of ascian to take up the assian
>asmon hates the game
oh no no no
Oh, by the way, remember to watch out for my good friend Hermes's pet bird...
Aksually that was 8*9/14 ascian
the final fantasy 14 fanbase is the worst fanbase of all vidya related boards
dude was depressed
ascian
Not even close.
Azem was the only actual fighter in the convocation. The only one that had to go out and actually fight and fix shit on Etherys.
This was even shown in Kitosis when Venat was the first to break out of Hermes' chains.
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/special/tales_from_the_shadows/sidestory_04/#sidestory_04
>He knew well what his friend beheld─the unbridled power of the Underworld, pouring forth into his being. In such moments, he felt as if he was one with its flow. Though mages were plentiful, not even among the rest of the Fourteen could one find another capable of wielding such power.
>oh but he was stronger than all the other ascians at the ascian academy
eyeroll
Based illiterate moron
yes, we know, he has a super special power that nobody else has despite it being a race of whole special snowflakes with infinite power. yawn...
based illiterate moron
You can keep spamming that if you wish, nobody is going to come to help you defend this trash story
based illiterate moron
Good boy, get it all out of your system.
I've been thinking about the story again
during the omega quest I chose hermes as the only justified person, but I also agreed with venat. I thought emet was the only one that was an hypocrite because their society collapsed due to their indifference to lesser lifeforms and then he keeps mass murdering other "inferior" lifeforms. a complete and utter moron
but now thinking about venat I actually disagree with her. "you need to experience the bad to value the good" and "perfection cant be appreciated due to the absence of the above" are fricking idiotic because neither the authors nor the ancients themselves have experienced perfection to know that it would end like the ea or the plenty. its based on theory alone and a huge fricking cope if you ask me
hermes was the only person operating on reason alone
>hermes
>justified
"This dog I just made killed everything, and I had to kill it. The world must pay."
Ascian society collapsed because of Hermes's and Venat's dipshittery and nothing else.
>My misinterpretation of the story is why it's shit!
Hermes is a philosophy 101 dropout whose depression clouded his judgement. He's the least justified in the entire scenario, even moreso than Venat's insistence to not tell anybody crucial information. Meteion wasn't a problem because she was disregarded as inferior until it was too late, Meteion was a problem because while everyone was trying to stop the problem, Hermes shielded and abetted her, then made sure nobody could stop it except Venat, who then proceeded to do nothing because the plan she was told from the future was easier than trying to actually solve it herself.
oh boy its an emet fangirl
post breasts
He just wanted to protect his bird e-girl you stupid frick, I'm pretty sure everyone here would rather kill everyone else than to let their waifu get murdered in front of you.
>entire concept of elpis is eliminating failures
>well lets put humanity to the test and see if they arent failures themselves
how is this illogical
Because humanity literally had him and the bird cornered. They had already won, he then screamed "ROUND 2, THIS ONE DOESN'T COUNT" and reset everybody while improving Meteion's position.
according to the same game this humanity that """""""won"""""""" would have met the same end as the ea or the plenty
nice win
You mean the thing that is still happening for as long as people pursue knowledge or try to better the world. If people cyclically eliminate suffering through social and technological advances over countless generations, we are apparently simply doomed. Etherys is still on the pathway to annihilation, because people are trying to improve the world and not reveling in suffering.
Humanity will end eventually. Them deciding to end things on painlessly on their own terms after reaching the peak is a much better alternative than dying to a species-ending plague or something.
i dont disagree with you, but my point was that only hermes was justified due to how he approached the issue logically, what you said has nothing to do with my original post
see above
we will agree to disagree, which is a good thing. a good story should encourage people to have different PoVs of it
Who did you cornered dude? People really forger there are a frickton of birds out in the space? Metion was just the youngest one.
Meteion apparently needed to be complete to start the frickening. Just having one to study would be an immense help even assuming the song is still happening.
Metion needed to nothing. It was just that we got into the point in time where her sisters completed scanning the gay ass universe and she happens to be on elpis with hermes
Both the parameters and the nature of the test was moronic.
Especially because Elpis tests to see if they're a benefit to the star, not that they're failures.
Dog monster had to die because if it lived it would kill all other fauna. The test for it, and the rest of Elpis' creations was to release it to see if it could live peacefully with the rest of its fellows and follow it's desired functions.
The test for Man was to attempt to kill all of them in a targeted method that was completely unknown to all of their learned men except Hermes himself, meaning that they had to figure out the crisis, solve it, see their creations as equals, and somehow track Meteion to the end of the universe figure out how to get to her to defeat her in order to live.
All while being almost completely unable to see, track, touch, or manipulate dynamis unless specific beings are created to interact with it, AND ONLY AFTER METEION MAKES IT SO ANY AETHERICALLY THIN CREATION IMMEDIATELY TRANSFORMS WHEN CREATED. MAKING IT IMPOSSIBLE TO CHALLENGE HER IN THE FIRST PLACE EVEN IF THEY MANAGE ALL OF THAT.
Frick Hermes. Frick Hermes. Frick Hermes. Frick Hermes.
Not even bird dicky redeems him. Frick Hermes.
>meaning that they had to figure out the crisis, solve it, see their creations as equals,
sounds like your usual problem to me
>and somehow track Meteion to the end of the universe figure out how to get to her to defeat her in order to live.
this one is a bit unfair, i agree
>All while being almost completely unable to see, track, touch, or manipulate dynamis unless specific beings are created to interact with it, AND ONLY AFTER METEION MAKES IT SO ANY AETHERICALLY THIN CREATION IMMEDIATELY TRANSFORMS WHEN CREATED. MAKING IT IMPOSSIBLE TO CHALLENGE HER IN THE FIRST PLACE EVEN IF THEY MANAGE ALL OF THAT.
he had no way to know this would happen. a little reminder:
hermes is also not perfect and hence put to his own test as well
if not him then eventually someone like him would show up and do this (not exactly this situation but you get the idea)
>sounds like your usual problem to me
Except that it was outside of the purview of Elpis' tests where they only only wanted to see that a creation would benefit the star.
>this one is a bit unfair, i agree
Well, even if we disagree on the other stuff I can see you're reasonable.
>he had no way to know this would happen.
He knew she was going to the end of the universe, he knew that she was using dynamis to attack, he knew that aether cannot interact with dynamis, he knew that not even Emet knew shit about dynamis despite being well learned.
>a little reminder: hermes is also not perfect and hence put to his own test as well
I agree, I just feel that the handicap was insane enough without wiping everyone's memories of meteion altogether. Because it meant that Man couldn't even begin to defend themselves until it was already too late.
Even if they started right there creating concepts to combat meteion I doubt they would've been able to change very much due to how specialized such a creation would need to be to both combat dynamis and not be overtaken by it.
>if not him then eventually someone like him would show up and do this (not exactly this situation but you get the idea)
I understood that from the Plenty, but Hermes really stacked the deck against Etherys all because he was too much of a sperg to ask his fellow ancients what they live for instead of Meteion who was doomed the second she found a single shitty star.
>and not be overtaken by it.
That's the big one. The first creations they would have made would have easily backfired against them since they would instantly be affected by the 'song of oblivion'
>Taking the worst final fantasy story seriously ever
It’s an mmo. Nobody cares lol lmao
ffandies killed my mom dood, why wont they leave me alone
>nobody was talking about this gay
>come in with dumbass quotes from him
I can't wait for him to quit the game so you wienersuckers stop posting him in every xiv thread.
Stop being weird dood, janny crush this ffandys gems.
>I can't wait for him to quit the game so you wienersuckers stop posting him in every xiv thread.
Dude he played the game for like 2 hours on his big "COMING BACK TO FF14 STREAM!" and hasn't played it since then giving a bunch of bullshit excuses over chat and youtube comments.
I wish he would just admit he hates the game and stop playing for good so I don't have to put up with his idiot followers in-game
>stream starts with "XIV or FALL GUYS???? I'LL DECIDE LATER"
>everybody already knows its fall guys
shitty game can't even keep a mmo addict like him hooked
Yeah, guy has been glued to mount farming in a dying game for over a decade. Clearly he has impeccable taste. Good metric you're using there.
and he can't even bother to mount farm here
I thought that was hilarious too. I knew when it said "FF or x" that it would be the other game automatically.
Teeth are way too clean.
cleanest MMO player
I haven't showered since January. What a loser.
8/14ths and 7 friends. Those friends are all at least 1/14th, so he was against 15/14ths.
Are you forgetting all the bullshit that had to happen to even get to be able hurt him? There is also the good chance he decided that the sundered had proven themselves and he could finally let go instead of going to chill in the lifestream for a bit while he recovered.
How do tanks deal with carrying and not getting any accommodations?
I already have all the rewards, I no longer care about the likes at the end of a dungeon, and I no longer give any.
Is the gold mount the only thing? If so i'm set and will now no longer hand them out either.
No. after the gold magitek mount there's a reward at 1500 which is the pope dress, and 3000 which is the parade chocobo
Is that the fat bastard??
indeed, it is a rather large lad
carrying?
homie you pull two packs, do your two gcd combo and press bloodwhetting, relax
it's pretty annoying how easy they made it to look good as a tank
a tank being up with DPS in damage and not requiring heals in a dungeon is the norm
anything less and they're a drooling moron that isn't even pressing their buttons
I got like 4.2k so I don’t really care, but I’m just so good I always get some
>play SAM in Aglaia
>get 5 commendations for some reason
I doubt many people really put much thought into commending
If I play DPS, and another DPS beats me in the in-game aggro meter they get my commendation. Unless the tank or healer do some clutch save.
I usually give them to the healer since I sometimes tank and know how fricking easy it is being one also I regularly frick up in EW dungeons, especially ktisis and the new one
>final days were caused by a grade school nihilist and his pet e-girl bird.
>have to be stopped by 2 dudebros who just wanted to have fun
kinda based tbh
>got punched by my little lalafell girl into the void
Not that based tbh
If you play a lala you are not playing the real story. You are playing a comedy fanfic verison of it.
Works on my machine.
lalafel are literally negative points when you're doing msq. Anyone that says otherwise is either too much of a pedo to care or just lying to himself.
Did you forget we chucked an entire planets worth of light through his chest? We pretty much threw a calamity at him.
Newbie here. Currently lvl 23 on MSQ
Are the expansions actual expansions in regard to lore or are they all contained in themselves?
WoW refugee so I'm fricking tired of Blizzard moronation retconning stuff or pulling dead plot points out of the grave to bank on nostalgia.
they are a continuous story up until this last expac that we got
please leave the thread before you get spoiled
they are expansions upon existing lore. they leave very little in the way of plot threads alone. events that take place at level 5 msq are referenced later in endwalker
They are fairly contained storylines but expand the world. They feed into one another well enough, usually ARR only gets used as basic establishment.
contained story that tie in to the big over arching plot.
Their are some self contained story with the raids and other stuff but some of them gets nods in the msq. Just have fun and don’t worry about it.
The expansions are basically FF14-2, 14-3, 14-4, and 14-5
The first three expansions are sort of stand alone stories with a bit of a through plot.
The most recent expansion takes basically every single major plot point and major character from ARR and the other three expansions and has them as story relevant in some way. They do a masterful job of wrapping the entire currently available FF14 experience up.
It's not like WoW where it's just constant ass pull after ass pull after recon with horrible story arcs all throughout. It's next level story telling that is practically unrivaled in all of video games.
>pic related helps establish his character as one of the best vidya villains in the space of two patches
5.3 was too powerful, bros.
They cast him in 2015 and just let such a good VA waste for 4 years. That's wild to me.
Wanking ameritard va is cringe.
But I do agree that Ellidibus is one of the best villains if not the best. Good thing Endwalker had no negative impact on him like it did on Emet.
>Good thing Endwalker had no negative impact on him like it did on Emet.
Might want to wait with that statement till the raid story is done.
raid story is going to be about lahabrea, not elidibus
its just going to tie in his promise
anon
yeah? hes just there because he needs to investigate shit
the pandaemonium story doesnt concern him in the slightest
He is there. He will most likely stay with you for the entire duration. He will definitely do/say/reveal shit along the way. More than enough chance to utterly ruin him.
>amon
What I meant is that in the grand scheme of things Elidibus and Emet shared the same objective, but Elidibus' motivation for it was much more selfish because he was mainly doing it for the convocation and he never cared about doing the "right choice for the world" as much as Emet did.
With Endwalker pushing the "ascians were in the wrong this whole time" narrative, Emet's credibility is literally shattered and it kinda destroys what made his character good. Meanwhile Elidibus is barely affected by it because he'd always side with the convocation no matter what, whether they're in the right or not. The convocation was and will always be the reason for his actions, he would not be swayed by Venat or Hermes' bullshit.
they were both gays trying to revive their friends and society.
Maybe that's the EW narrative if you're a brainlet. Anyway Elidibus is the most based and pretty much outright a hero, since he helped the Source not get fricked over by calamities to the point of actively opposing Lahabrea and going out of his way to stop threats to the star.
>it's another "sundered fragment count is power level" episode
>it's a rerun
yes, you objectively has less aether and thus less power
Ran'jit shouldn't stand a chance against Thancred even with his aether AIDS and Ishgard should have lost the war immediately to unsundered dragons if that was true
Thancred is an aetheric cripple and Ishgard fought a war for literally centuries while Nidhogg toyed with them.
This totally dodges both points. Thancred should be physically stronger with cartridges filling in the gaps and he is not. Nidhogg is not the only dragon.
Thancred literally fought the best warrior on the face of the earth to a standstill while crippled and unable to use aether. Ishgard won soon after the last rejoining.
>to a standstill
That was the first proper clash he'd made the entire fight. Several points of which he suppressed ALL his aether to become undetectable.
>Ishgard won soon after the last rejoining.
You won that, not Ishgard.
>you won that
A 7/14ths rejoined, yes. You dunked Nidhogg immediately. Previously the greatest hero only robbed him of his eye. Then you redunked Nidhogg at full power.
>A 7/14ths rejoined, yes.
Doesn't matter, your wiener is bigger than Ishgard's by default.
>his eye.
Eyes.
Nidhogg shouldn't be losing in the first place when Haldrath was more sundered by the power level argument.
Dragons aren't even aetherically analogous to humans. They increase their density with age, they aren't based on human density.
And they shouldn't be defeatable at all with Midgardsormr, who predates the sundering to begin with, eating shit to the Invincible.
It doesn't matter, sunderedness isn't a power level.
Sunderedness is a powerlevel.
>shouldn't be defeatable at all
Dragons use terrible magic.
Okay, so dragons just suck, Omicrons can vouch.
Imagine having your entire society dunked by a reskinned frog.
imagine making an entirely new frog skeleton for one frog
Frogs are op when they are big
Yes there is clearly no reason unsundered are walking gods and sundered couldn't even use magic until the first calamity
Ancients are a different species from modern Spoken.
>sundered couldn't even use magic until the first calamity
This is conjecture on the in-universe Encyclopedia's author, because they don't have historical records going back to the Allagans, let alone the calamities before that.
>different species
Oh so we just evolved to be worse after the sundering?
Yes, literally. All player races are offshoot evolutions of the Ancients.
So you're saying everyone just "Evolved" to be universally inferior and through this process lost the ability to master aether? Did you even pay attention to the plot?
>lost the ability to master aether?
People can still use creation magic unless you've been in a coma the past ten years. Doing it without a big payload of aether isn't a thing, but pretending they're magical lepers in comparison is a bad argument.
No they fricking can't, anon. The shit the Ancients pulled is completely inaccessible to everybody other than the ancients. Your use of it in Endwalker was a gift from Venat.
Primals are creation magic...
Primals are shitty creation magic aided and guided by the Ancients. They can't self-sustain, they are incomplete. Even given personal tutelage, making horrendous sacrifices, and as massive groups guiding the process, we can't do true creation magic.
Loporrits say the main difference is the tempering instructions, and the scope of a primal affects their aether consumption (see Alexander). Prinals are usually summoned with the aim of being all powerful. With pure creation magic, they were summoned to be spaceship batteries.
That wasn't pure creation magic, they literally just existed for a tiny amount of time to act as glorified batteries, where they were summoned and then transported the aether. If they were left alive, they might still need to feed on aether.
>lossless
Citation needed.
>lossless
The aether consumption normal primals had was based on their need to temper and expand their following. Consumption was part of the twisted process the Acians baked into it when they taught the beast tribes. Removing that would thusly remove the over consumption and sustainability is possible. iirc this is all explained by the moon rabbits.
There would be little purpose in summoning them as aether batteries if they burned the stores they've been imbued with by just existing.
Not if their existence was for scant seconds to minutes. The losses would be there, but the transport of the aether is more valuable.
The tempering was addressed by the need for conversion, but the aether consumption was never solved by the rabbits.
>The tempering was addressed by the need for conversion, but the aether consumption was never solved by the rabbits.
Tempering itself is caused by infusing victims with so much aspected aether that it permanently skews their balance. That's why long exposure to primal energies completely turns you into a monster based on the elemental aspect of the primal.
No tempering, no major aether loss, no major drain on the land.
Not him, but Primal Summoning is creation magic, a warped variant of it. Aether to power it is the only thing that lacks it's sustainability, which is even solved at the end of EW with powering the Ragnarok using Primals as a lossless form of Aether energy transfer from the mothercrystal. Given a big enough battery, it's absolutely possible. That battery is nigh inconceivable though, but that doesn't mean that's it's not possible. There's a very distinct difference between something that's technically impossible and something that lacks the means to do it.
That battery is Tataru Taru. The carbuncle she created in ARR is still running around.
How do you think primals are made?
In shitty incomplete rituals personally guided by ascians, whose playbook is unfollowable by current peoples.
Yea but it’s still creation magic, I’m pretty sure is the ascians showed them the right way to make primals it would be real creation magic.
>In shitty incomplete rituals
No, it's full on creation magic. All the ascians did to make it frick up was tell everyone that one of the key facets to summoning gods was to implant the will to convert everyone.
That was shown in the Ragnarok launch.
sisters... we're losing him...
why do streamers let their chats control them. just fricking ignore it and play a fricking video game.
this little goblin needs these kids to be spending mommy's wages on his subscriptions, FF14 ain't a game you really watch and I can't imagine him or his audience really sitting through hours of cutscenes, especially after he got all that attention from shouting his own inane drivel over the trial he watched
Can some anon tell me how many high end parties are up on primal PF right now?
I've come to the conclusion that ffxiv is the only good multiplayer game atm. I had good encounters and bad ones but it was always fun. Despite all it's faults its an amazing game and you can see the people who work on it love it as much as the players. This is the actual PEAK of final fantasy and if the franchise died after it I wouldn't even care because I was there to witness ffxiv after being so fricking bitter about 13 and 15 for years. God bless yoship and soken and everyone who worked on it.
Power scaling in Final Fantasy has always been inconsistent and dumb. He was driven insane by failure and attempting to live amongst those he deemed as not even really alive. He wasn't even the strongest, as Hydaelyn was a higher level. That's the problem with MMO's, next expansion we'll be fighting something supposedly stronger or as strong as Meteion.
the way I see it, ingame levels aren't canon because otherwise Emet Selch would've gotten WEAKER after the events of of Elpis. they're a gameplay mechanic, nothing more.
It just makes me wonder what the metric for power is. It's clearly just an abstract concept that follows whatever the story needs but then why have levels at all then? If the idea is we're getting stronger and more "experience" then what's the point if it doesn't actually matter outside of gameplay? Same with it being an MMO, why have it be about a singular WoL if it's an online game?
ludo narrative dissonance anon, plenty of games will have mechanics that don't reflect in the story the game is telling for the sake of making the gameplay enjoyable.
It just annoys me when story and gameplay have to bend over backwards for one or the other. If they can't work together what's even the point? Which isn't to say I haven't enjoyed FFXIV, but I can't help but wonder why so much effort regarding the story went into an MMO, a genre that I don't think many FF fans can get into. Especially when ARR is such a fricking slog before level 50.
Hrothgar hairstyles suck balls
>THE STORY'S BAD BECAUSE (headcanon)
go back to the official forums where only the mentally moronic dwell
Legion was the most fun I ever had with the WoW lore. It was stupid as hell, but the presentation was top notch.
Stupid as it was, it was still better than what came after by miles.
By MILES. Warlords of Draenor could've been just as good if it didn't get gutted.
Yeah, having dumbass edgeboy quot Linkin Park at God was so moronic that it went full circle into being incredibly enjoyable.
Ironically the story only shit the bed when Blizzard tried to insert nuance and subtlety.
If Sylvanas went all in on being a hyperpragmatic butthole, but the alliance did real shit like Jaina flooding Mulgore that was rumored during bfa it would've been cash.
WoW should've stayed in its lane instead of being a shitty foundationless copy of FF that wants all the payoff with zero buildup.
>WoW should've stayed in its lane instead of being a shitty foundationless copy
That's Blizzard modus operandi though. They see something being successful and they copy it can but put their own spin on it. And it worked when they had the agility to do it. However since the mid 2010's they've failed every time they tried. HoTS was 5 year too late. Overwatch was 5 years too late. Now their 'survival game' they have in development is 5 years too late.
>However since the mid 2010's
And once again we come to the fricking Activision buy.
They didn't want to confirm she was Garrosh 2.0, kind of like how they made it so Illidan didn't become redeemed by the light like people predicted. The thing is Sylvanas has been Garrosh 2.0 before Garrosh was even 1.0, her whole thing in Cataclysm was creating the plague and shit. Garrosh was the one with some humanity to him.
Azems are to Ascians what the WoL is to the average mortal. Azems grow immensely because of the adversity they face in their travels. The WoL is also just a reincarnation / sliver of the last Azem which would reasonably actually be the strongest Ascian. So no, measuring how many times they've been reformed isn't an accurate measurement.
You missed the part where G'raha summons 7 other homies
ascians are just a shit copy pasta of the organisation 13 from kingdom hearts, prove me wrong.
>be 8/14 WoL chad
>lose like a b***h to Ranjit (1/14)
bros wtf
Technique/Skill > Power
I bet even Estinien in a 1v1 could beat the WoL. The WoL is a power sperg that brute forces their way to victory.
Estinien can mog anyone in the game honestly
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Estinian would probably be stronger than wol if he had the echo and plotarmor magic. Though then again he probably is since he gets protection from nid
>lose in the First against Ran'jit
>probably lose against Golbez in the 13th
8/14bros...... the 1/14chads are laughing at us
>implying golbez won't be a beat and forget as part of the trial series
>Queue
>Get 2 of the same job
>The other wienersucker does his raid buffs one second after yours
>Delay buffs when they're up again so he can go first
>He never does
>Do your raid buffs
>He finally does his
I tempted to eat a suspension just to vent on these homosexuals
yeah, god, I hate queueing reaper for anything, I have this same problem.
my guy you have a text chat box, use it.
Yeah, I'm about to use it to do something alright
this and the fricking moronic ideal timings on songs is why I finally dropped bard in EW.
What do you mean? I just picked up bard and having fun
If you're a super sweaty minmaxer like me and my static, your song rotation is now catered to your team, with your second highest personal damage song being the one you'll use for the shortest window. ALso when you have a second bard in the team, it's possible that they'll battle shout just after you use yours, which is a waste.
That doesn’t sound fun
>get in an aglaia run with 3 other drg's
>the entire run we play a game of battle litany chicken with each other
>by the final boss we got it down without chatting and managed to not overlap each other
It's annoying as frick to deal with but it feels great when you do it right.
primals aren't creation magic, they're just creation magic
same
Primals aren't creation magics. Primals created with ambient aether and require constant feeding of aether. Creation magic uses one's own aether, and the object created is essentially ever lasting unless destroyed.
The rabbits told you it was, just an intentionally bugged version.
Sure they are both creation magic in the sense that both magics end with the creation of something, but the means of creating and the result of the creation were vastly different.
Though I'm still curious as to how the Ascians figured out the technique needed for people of the Source to summon primals, and what exactly causes the Tempering.
>what exactly causes the Tempering.
the primal's aether overwrites/corrupts a person's aether. This is explained in the game.
That just explains what Tempering is, not what causes it.
Primals emanating their aether either actively or passively
Everything emits aether bro. What is it about Primals that cause their Aether to corrupt the aether of other living things? How did the Ascians figure out whatever process to embue them with such an ability?
this is a "primal's tax policy" question because the answer isn't important at all
EW was buttcheeks, and how they explained everything going wrong ever because of a gay who had his first existential crisis just ruined the entire story.
Lost any respect I had for Yoshi and the writing team.
and emet was good because...
He wasn't.
I dont get it then. did you mean hermes ruined EWs story up until that point or what? since the main villain of the previous expac wasnt good either to be "ruined"
>babby's first existential crisis
>complete ass pull magic
>worlds getting exploded because of a bird that uses said ass pull magic
>our world getting exploded causes ascians to go full moron because they didn't even know of said ass pull magic because its THAT ass pull
It was...pretty bad honestly.
>Asspull
>Was established over multiple expansions
Another filtered troony who's still upset his ebin satan god was flesh robot and jobbed in a 83 trial
Where did they establish it prior to EW? Show me.
Blame the fujo writer, not YoshiGOD.
>Blame the fujo writer
Yeah bring back the person who wrote for Stormblood. Now there's a person who knows how to really sell a story.
>Yeah bring back the person who wrote for Stormblood.
So the same person who wrote Shadowbringers and Endwalker? Stormblood had two main writers working in collaboration.
Whoever wrote Lyse should be the main writer. She's a great character.
Now you're trolling. The only good character to come out of the Ala Mhigan side of the story was Fordola.
Sad that she was forgotten afterwards. Reminds me of Nero from ARR.
>he didn't do the EW role quests
Fordola is the main person in the healer role quest, and Nero has a role in the quest once gou do all the role quests. He goes to the Moon.
>get to fight along side Nero and Fourchanault to kill blasphemied Nerva
Best part of EW.
Naago's line is so good.
"If you die here, a murderer is all you'll ever be"
ascian
>>gets killed by 9/14 of an ascian who doesnt have access to ascian powers
it's because dynamis, duh. ancients can't use it.
Ancients unknowingly used ome Dynamis. The will and state of mind of the Ancients was reflected in their creations, they just didn't know that it was happening.
I haven't played since Shadowbringers, how bad did they frick up Astro?
AST is basically the same but it can completely ignore a Savage mechanic that other healers can struggle with
and Divination is just "press button, receive buff" now instead of fishing for three seals, seals are now used for a personal buff
Minor Arcana is back to how it was in Stormblood, which kind of sucks ass but whatever
>villain isn't some random evil for the sake of evil character and has fears and motivations that can be easily understood
>this is considered a bad thing
It varies from generation to generation. Some people want 80's style simple bad guys are bad and some people want more depth. It's all propaganda anyway, but the banality of evil is the only truth.
>Some people want 80's style simple bad guys are bad and some people want more depth.
That's why we also have Zenos
Zenos has depth, it's just not empathetic in any way.
>ruins it by spending the next expansion on the same tired-ass japshit JRPG "muh nihilism" cliche
both Hermes and Meteion have easily understood fears and motivations, and neither are evil for sake of it
>muh depression
Fix'd that for you.
Anon, you're on Ganker. Disregard ANY opinion shared here, regardless of what the contents of it are. Even good opinions here are corrupted simply by being in such close proximity to stupid frick contrarians.
>villain murders millions of people directly and indirectly
>isnt evil btw
post breasts emet fangirl
If you wouldn't murder billions to save your people you're an even bigger homosexual and probably a woman yourself
are you illiterate?
Is he evil for the sake of evil? Or was there a reason for why he did those things?
the life of one immortal is objectively worth more than all of humanity
mortals in the game would've ended the world literally over a hundred times if not for the WoL, and the Ascians meanwhile only ever made one mistake
it's not even remotely comparable
>mortals in the game would've ended the world literally over a hundred times if not for the WoL
half the time they're getting pushed by Ascians
maybe they should stop being a bunch of weak fricking losers then
i don't hate the story of the game, but ultimately it's objectively about the biggest race traitor in history working against their own self-interest
there is no sensible reason for the WoL to have sided against the Ascians once they learn what they are, unless of course they are tempered but that seems to not be the case
>there is no sensible reason for the WoL to have sided against the Ascians once they learn what they are
besides knowing for a literal fact that the original Azem wasn't in favor of the Convocation's plan and was thrown out because of that? Besides having no memory of their life as an Ancient, and thus caring more about the friends they have in THIS life than the people who want to kill them? Besides being against genocide in general?
The WoL is not Azem. The WoL is not an Ancient. Azem was not part of the Convocation when the Zodiark plan was enacted. The WoL as the WoL likely wouldn't even survive the Rejoinings, and if they did, they'd just be sacrificed anyway so the Ascians could bring back the actual Azem. There is no sensible reason why the WoL would side with the Ascians.
Azem also did not agree with Venat's plan.
for all we know, Venat told Azem they had to be sundered in order for the plan to work out
It was stated in SHB that Azem didn't agree with her and fricked off to do his own stuff. YoshiP even said that they have an idea about what he was doing in the Final Days, but we may never find out.
Then Azem would have just joined her group. He also wouldn't have rejected Zodiark's summoning, because he'd know it was necessary.
If he was told it's most likely he decided not to follow the plan.
>besides knowing for a literal fact that the original Azem wasn't in favor of the Convocation's plan and was thrown out because of that? Besides having no memory of their life as an Ancient, and thus caring more about the friends they have in THIS life than the people who want to kill them? Besides being against genocide in general?
these are all emotional arguments
literally because the writers are bad
there is no reason for the WoL to have done what they did
the only reason they even had a chance is because the WoL is suppose to be Azem who i already stated would actually be the strongest Ascian
it's bad writing
it's every bad alien movie written from the 70s-90s
the WoL would not become Azem. The WoL would at best be sacrificed by the Ascians to Zodiark to bring back Azem. There is no personal benefit to helping the Ascians.
The WoL would be even stronger after all the rejoinings. I don't believe for a fricking second Zodiark would be strong enough to do that. The actual power level of Azem would've had to of be unimaginable for the WoL to have even defeated just Emet when fractured.
the WoL didn't defeat Emet alone, you moron
Meteoin is cute as a button, but the whole dynamis thing is deus ex machina if ever there was one. It's just more bad writing. I realize in Shadowbringers that none of what we had been told up until that point made any sense.
Functionally did. They took them out with the light. Emet cannot die without hax. Maybe a million mortal mages could destroy him, but they cannot kill him.
Functionally nothing, he was beaten into submission with 7 allies, and killed with the light of the Lightwardens and help from the Scions
The Ascians wouldn't have brought back Azem. They found him to be a traitor, except for Emet who had a soft spot for him.
well there you fricking go, Azem is dead permanently so there's even less reason for the WoL to side with the Ascians
>there is no reason for the WoL to have done what they did
Yeah, the WoL would totally side with the people whose actions would lead to the death of his friends and the destruction of his home. The writers are such dumbasses, lol.
>i don't hate the story of the game, but ultimately it's objectively about the biggest race traitor in history working against their own self-interest
>there is no sensible reason for the WoL to have sided against the Ascians once they learn what they are, unless of course they are tempered but that seems to not be the case
This would be like living your entire life believing that you're a descendant of country A, living there from childhood and having made friends and connections, only to find out you actually were brought over from country B at birth and then deciding to nuke country A out of loyalty to country B.
Why the sweet frick would the WoL care about the ancients at all? It'd be like Goku meeting Raditz at the beginning of DBZ and then just deciding to blow up the Earth because "lmao guess I'm not human so frick all my friends".
>This would be like living your entire life believing that you're a descendant of country A, living there from childhood and having made friends and connections, only to find out you actually were brought over from country B at birth and then deciding to nuke country A out of loyalty to country B.
no, this is like Superman siding against Zod, which again is bad writing
and i change my opinion, the WoL is the biggest race traitor in history behind Superman
>Why the sweet frick would the WoL care about the ancients at all? It'd be like Goku meeting Raditz at the beginning of DBZ and then just deciding to blow up the Earth because "lmao guess I'm not human so frick all my friends".
yeah, siding with mortals who will die and be forgotten over your objectively better kin
the WoL is not an Ancient. The WoL is a Sundered. Helping the Ascians destroy the Sundered would actually make them a race traitor.
Can't sundered just be raised into Ascians?
But honestly if WoL had actually tried Emet would probably have just killed him for doing something Azem would never do.
>Can't sundered just be raised into Ascians?
No. They can get memories stapled on if a memory crystal exists, but those were only made for the Convocation. Azem's crystal specifically was made by Emet in secret and didn't have their full memories, just their signature spell.
I think those are just the red masks convocation ascian, I'm guessing that either Emet himself or other red masks can create the lesser ascians...assuming the minor arcana ascians still exists and isn't a retconned ARR plot point
>actually make them a race traitor
Just like Venat/Hydaelyn.
the Ancients had their chance
and what's stopping the people on the Source from committing Ra-La in the future?
they're not immortal and the Source isn't a perfect utopia free from strife and likely never will be
but nothing lasts forever
>the life of one immortal is objectively worth more than all of humanity
says who? god you're so dumb
its all arbitrary so yes he is evil not for the sake of being evil, but for the sake of being a dumbfrick moron
next
>says who?
says objectivity
they are better by every margin, and they have even more potential
those who traveled like Azem grew even more, and is why your character is so strong
it's not even close
theres no objective opinion on this matter unless you claim to be god or something like it
>they are better by every margin, and they have even more potential
why did they lose then lmao
>they are better by every margin, and they have even more potential
And they're dead and gone. What's your point?
>murder
Does that also apply to rape?
Emet-Selch from Final Fantasy XIV Online when he sees my wiener
>its not "thing" if i do mental gymnastics and act like an hypocrite
well played fangirl, now please post your breasts. this is the last time I will ask
Emet ? He's a moron who made the situation worse and he'll redeem himself by helping and apologizing to the WoL for being a stupid boy.
Venat-sama ? Strong and independent woman, did everything right and saved the world.
t. FFXIV: Endwalker
t. guy who hasn't played the new omega quest
Game literally lets you vilify Venat as much as Emet.
explain to a moron that didn't pay attention to the story why the Convocation was wrong.
>let's keep getting people to do a flip, it'll work in two weeks this time for real!
They weren't. They just had a different approach than Venat to a problem.
Turning a blind eye to reality and endlessly sacrificing people until there is nothing left is moronic and they needed to be stopped.
>endlessly sacrificing people
weren't they sacrificing other people to bring back their own?
Yes. They wanted to sacrifice the creatures that evolved over time, and Venat got all PETA angry about that and decided to sunder the world to stop them.
why the frick is the entire fanbase kneeling to mommy Venat, then?
What a treacherous b***h.
>What a treacherous b***h.
Oh you're one of those.
would you sacrifice all of humanity to save the wienerroaches?
>would you sacrifice all of humanity to save the wienerroaches?
thats not what she did at all
and even if it was it is not up to anyone to quantify something/someones worth
>and even if it was it is not up to anyone to quantify something/someones worth
you literally do that on a smaller scale every day of your life
and an observer can call my bullshit out and be justified 100%. just because it is the reality we live in it doesnt mean it is objectively right
there is no manual, no guidelines
thats the point
Are you just purposefully ignoring what was happening and what they were already in the process of doing when Venat caused the sundering?
It's just moronic simps. Anyone with half a brain knows the Ancients, Venat and Ascians were all doing things for their own personal gains, but Venat was the only one thinking about themselves and not the entire planet and people.
endlessly sacrificing people until nothing is left is literally the Scions' modus operandi
Venat good, Convocation bad.
The writers said so, it makes no sense but you can't argue against it.
>muh Omega
Retconned. Say after me: VENAT YAAAAS QUEEN
>Retconned
how do you retcon something that was only added in the most recent patch
I thought you were talking about the raid, my bad. Tell me about it then.
No. Play the game.
I won't play Venat's shilling:the game unless you convince me otherwise.
Then don't play it. Nobody gives a frick.
Shut up Venat simp.
>retconned
Do you even know what that means?
>Venat good, Convocation bad.
Yes. Was that ever in question?
One simply knows.
DOG SEXOOOOOO
Even the "Mommy Milkies" crowd is willing to admit that Venat hugely fricked up and her choices were objectively awful. Just because you desperately want people to think a certain way about the story doesn't mean they actually do.
Nope. Venat was right.
>Just sunder the world and everyone on it bro
>Frick telling the rest of the Ancients everything
>Doom everyone you know to die because you decided to keep quiet
Yeah okay.
Yep. She was ultimately vindicated by solving the actual problem the Ancients were both unwilling and unable to address.
She didn't solve shit. The WoL did. What happens when the people on Eorzea get to a level of development similar to the Ancients? Should they just off themselves for the sake of bugs and shit
her actions created the circumstances that created the WoL, ultimately vindicating her choices
>unwilling and unable to address
Why do you lie ? SHE DIDN'T TELL THEM ANYTHING, SHE REFUSED TO SHARE THEM HER KNOWLEDGE. How are they supposed to address a problem they don't even know the cause lmao.
they were clearly uninterested in even looking into the cause after stopping the Final Days. That should've been their first priority before bringing back their dead friends.
They believed the issue was taken care of, Zodiark may have been a glorified Ozone layer, but to the Ancients the disaster was averted for good in their eyes.
they KNEW there was more to it. They never once talked about investigating the planet screaming.
No they didn't. Their idea was
>physics is broken, the entire universe has gone wrong
So they made a physics-fixer
>Unwilling
Says who?
>Unable
Because she refused to say anything, they couldn't solve the problem because she gave no assistance in trying to figure it out.
>Says who?
Emet.
After Zodiark stopped the Final Days Emet and the remaining ancients were content to an hero until everything just went back to normal without looking into the cause of the Final Days.
>Stop making up headcanon!
>immediately makes up headcanon
Absolutely nothing, anywhere, ever, says that they had no intention to look into the causes of the Final Days.
The cutscene where Venat says "stop" and they go "lol nope" and then she does the sunder thing
The cutscene that is literally innacurate to what actually happened? The cutscene that featured a bunch of randos and not, as anon insisted, Emet? The cutscene that never even brings up the topic, and only vaguely talks about "moving forward"? That cutscene?
>The cutscene that featured a bunch of randos and not, as anon insisted, Emet
Emet was in that cutscene, bro. You blind?
>Absolutely nothing, anywhere, ever, says that they had no intention to look into the causes of the Final Days.
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>It began without warning. The very laws of the star were warped and broken, and chaos swiftly spread throughout the land.
>Faced with annihilation, we sought to imbue the star with its own will. Thus was Zodiark born, and by His power WAS ORDER RESTORED.
By his own fricking words the Final Days were a solved issue, the lives sacrificed after were to allow Zodiark to begin repairing the wreckage that was their world.
>By his own fricking words the Final Days were a solved issue
"Order restored" =/= "We never intended to look into why this happened." It probably would have helped if Venat had just told them what the fricking problem was and that they were under attack by an outside force, instead of some vague concept of existence unraveling which they thought was the problem.
That's a neat fanfic you've got there, did an official forums poster give it to you?
>If I call something a fanfic, that means I don't need to have an argument
Lmao, brilliant.
At least post the OF poster's lodestone here so we can know which moron to avoid in game my man.
Seems like you ARE an OF poster if you're so acquainted with them to seethe about it here of all places.
>It probably would have helped if Venat had just told them what the fricking problem was and that they were under attack by an outside force
So she tells them and then what? How do they defeat Meteion when they don't have any of the requirements needed to defeat her?
Great point, that makes it all the more moronic that she asked them not to do it in the first place and had a big cultural argument about it. What the frick did she intend to do if they said "okay"? Not sunder everyone?
>still not DEBOONKED and never will be
Emetgays dilating and sweating as we speak
>sunder everyone and everything because in 10,000 years there will be a guy who might solve the problem
Azem was probably close to fixing the problem himself but Venat sundered him and it took us all this time to get back.
It's hard to say for a fact they were wrong since we never see their solution put to test like Venat's although there's evidence through what Meteion shows us that highly advanced races such as theirs were on their way out one way or the other.
Maybe some day we'll get to see further into the black rose timeline where emet selch has free reign to do rejoinings as he likes and see where it goes from there.
>Maybe some day we'll get to see further into the black rose timeline where emet selch has free reign to do rejoinings as he likes and see where it goes from there.
The rejoining wouldn't bring back the convocation. The sundering killed all of them except Emet, Lahabrea and Elidibus.
It wouldn't but I would still like to see what happens if the ascians actually got their way to see if their plans worked out the way they wanted to.
That's a bit unfair since the convocation regrouped the most talented and powerful ancients, without them they'll surely fail just like Eorzea would fail without the scions.
not immediately but the Convocation's plan was explicitly to sacrifice new life to Zodiark in order to bring back their dead friends.
and what exactly is wrong with this?
we're the new life
>meanwhile all the Scions get bullshitted back to life after making their heroic sacrifices
jap storytelling and hypocrisy go hand in hand
What new life was sacrificed to bring the Scions back?
The universe works in balance. The aether used to create the Scions when they were brought back had to come from somewhere.
There were probably babies getting ready to be born but the Scions took their place. Literal baby killers!
When? In Ultima Thule? They were never dead, just converted to pure Dynamis so you could progress. They were still 'alive' you just gave them back their Aether bodies.
if you use that gay ass logic then nothing in the game is really dead because they should return to the big aether pool in the sky
see Y'shtola
Ultima Thule is a special case because it's almost pure dynamis
I'd a future Ultimate that somehow explores going with Emet's plans. Genuinely hope it ends with the Endsinger defeated but all life is gone, t he universe is just a black void and all that's left is the WoL who merely got some empty revenge in this hypothetical, if only to see the absolute seething from Emet fanboys.
Look at you absolute simpletons debating a shitty JRPG power of friendship story. This is why FFXIV gets worse every expansion, because they dumb the game down to make it accessible to you mongoloids who only care about ascian power levels and fujoshit characters. I weep.
What you expect? this is a VN not a game.
PVP literally revamped all the jobs, it was talked for 2 weeks and then forgotten.
Probably because the game still has 2004 netcode and the PVP is still a complete joke.
Its worse than just netcode. Its filled with hackers in the upper ranks. People cheat because there's no punishment for it, and they STILL wintrade their way.
And dont get me started on the fricked up balance.
>strongest ascian
>gets killed by 9/14 of an ascian who doesnt have access to ascian powers
>who in turn got defeated by a 1/14 pajeet street shitter
Streetshitters, I kneel.
>this many speedreaders skimmed through SHB and EW and pretend they understand the story (they don't)
>I am so le degenerate for dressing le old woman in le 2B boots
All normalgays must die. Let me dress up Khloe.
>caring about glamour other people cant see at all
you should join them
I woud sacrifice all of the humanity for moronic armless half-blind people that live for 2 months tops because I'm incredibly horny for one of those armless half-blind people that would be indebted to me.
You left out the part where humanity ends regardless of what you do, but doing that means life continues.
???
The Ancients were under no threat whatsoever though. They already had Zodiark by the time they were sundered, nothing was threatening Zodiark from functioning to protect them from Meteion for the same amount of time it protects the sundered worlds, if not further.
The only threat left to the Ascians was being genocided by Venat.
>???
>The Ancients were (headcanon)
>The Ancients were under no threat whatsoever though.
Pic related.
But that's not true. You literally see all the scions and WoL kill him.
Why not just sunder Azem and a handful of his friends then send them to do the same as the Scions? Seems kinda overkill to do it to the entire world.
I think Venat just didn't want the Ancients to rely on Zodiark for everything. That whole sequence when they would rather sacrifice their own life to bring back the glory days rather than move on was the defining reason that she decide to sunder everything. She did mentioned in Poiten Oikos that something must have happened for her to do something so drastic, and up to that point she's probably still wonder why she sundered everyone on our story.
>sacrifice their own life to bring back the glory days
that and, you know, stop the fricking apocalypse. Can't exactly move on if there's nothing to move on to.
She was fine for the summoning of Zodiark, she might even be fine for the sacrificing of remaining 1/4 to bring life back to Etheirys. What broke her was the fact that the majority of the remaining 1/4th would rather sacrifice more of themselves and the future new life to Zodiark to bring themselves back to the glory day of the Ancients.
Note that in the cutscene she didn't went out of her way to criticize the summoning of Zodiark and even try to reason with the survivors. Only when they decide to ignore her in favor of using Zodiark to keep sacrificing life to restore the past that she decided to just sunder them all so nobody would ever have the ability to do so again.
imagine telling an ancient that they can't have their wife and kids back because some little homosexual fresh out of the primordial soup would get deleted
frick Venat
Imagine telling an ancient that you're going to sacrifice his wife and kids because it's for the greater good.
They can just go return to the stars, life and death is completely opt in concept in their society.
Unlike the sundered, Ancients that died in the final days are still part of the lifestream and didn't get completely fricked into oblivion. If anything, Zodiark is the thing keeping them from returning to the star normally.
What were they supposed to do ?
They were getting attacked from all front by natural disasters and space aliens for no apparent reason.
Sacrificing their people was literally the last option that was left to them, thanks to that stupid b***h withholding every piece of valuable information.
>thanks to that stupid b***h withholding every piece of valuable information
So let's assume she would have told them and they didn't just laugh it off as her being an eccentric liar. What could they have possibly done to defeat bird girl?
why wouldn't the Ancients have the power of friendship like we do?
The power of friendship didn't save the day. It was being able to process grief and despair without becoming lost in it. Now how would ancients be able to do that when they have never actually experienced grief or trauma?
>losing half your numbers, getting your planet fricked up and them half of the remaining numbers deleting themselves to fix the planet isn't experiencing grief
>isn't experiencing grief
And seeing as how their final grand solution was to turn from reality, cling to the past, and sacrifice people I seriously doubt they would have been able to make it to the "process grief and overcome it" stage needed to reach bird girl.
>the doctor should not save a life because the patient's family has to know grief better, the coddled fricks
>doctor's solution is to sacrifice a metric frickton of kittens
>"Your pa's dying, Jim. Buuuut, if you sacrifice yourself and your family I will be able to bring him back"
more like
>if you sacrifice the crackhead down the street and a couple fish I can bring him back.
Because they are beings of 100% pure aether, they can't use Dynamis. Only a lesser being can use Dynamis.
Aetheric density makes them unable to use Dynamis, which most of universe and especially Ultima Thule is made of.
I guess they could have created another Dynamis based creation that are set to be meteia-hunter killer and set them off to space to fix the problem...though that sounds like doubling the problem scenario waiting to happen.
>Well of course they could have uhhhh (headcanon)
you say that shit like the WoL and co. had an actual plan to defeat the birb and weren't just playing their last desperate card
If it works it works, unlike anything the ancients did evidently lmao
>it work because protagonist
you're not helping your case here
and you're just mad your fanfic didn't come true
>Ascians play their last desperate card
>it works, but their society is still fricked up so they're content to ignore the cause after treating the symptom
>WoL and co play their last desperate card
>it works and they actually solve the problem
nooooo some old homosexual who would have made a dog with two dicks died because of that
instead we have the dogs with two dicks fricking a catgirl (male) in Limsa.
their shitty hail mary had a better chance than the ancients who wouldn't have even been able to walk around in ultima thule since they can't use dynamis
imagine getting force choked by a bird
see
saw that question a thread or two ago, totally ignores the cultural / "suffering" component needed to beat meteion
>artificially engineer a suffering adventure for the little assassins in question then send them after the birb
that is literally what Venat ended up doing by sitting on her ass for millennia
okay so your proposed solution is exactly what she ended up doing
There were 14 people who were about as strong and wise as Emet Selch and each of them had a different domain they excelled in.
They'd 100% perform better than the scions, hell one of them is literally (YOU) but stronger.
>They'd 100% perform better than the scions
The fact that they were able to be sundered by one Jesus allegory begs to differ.
As far as I recall, Jesus resurrected a dead man and didn't tell the dead person's family to frick off.
Did Jesus use Martha's and/or Maria's life force to resurrect Lazarus?
nah Emet Selch was a goddamn mutant and is the greatest magic user of the Ancient era with godlike control over the lifestream itself.
Everyone of the convocation are like subject matter expert yes, but Emet Selch subject matter is literally magic and the lifestream, saying that they are equal in power is like saying a Women Studies graduate is as smart as an Astrophysicist because they both got a college degree.
>nah Emet Selch was a goddamn mutant and is the greatest magic user of the Ancient era with godlike control over the lifestream itself.
That's bullshit. He got dabbed on by Hermes' chains and Venat was clearly portrayed as the stronger one. In both the side story and MSQ Lahabrea was hyped as the no.1 magic user.
> but stronger.
ehhhhhh
venat compares your strength to azem's favorably, as in "he was this strong too"
All I'm saying is that if they stopped after rejuvenating the star with life, and just move on toward rebuilding something for the future instead of sacrificing everything to try bring back the past, she wouldn't have sundered everything and try her luck that the catgirl ERPing in Uldah will eventually make a spaceship to go to Ultima Thule.
How dare you argue against MOMMY Venat ????
Downvoted !!!
>moronic speedreaders still don't get what Venat did
sigh
It's not like my fanfactions so it's bad!
you already posted this
Could WoL+7 beat fully powered unsundered Zodiark?
>work my ass off on tank
>get no commends
Frick you too.
nobody cares bro, i dont even remember the last time i commended a shitter in a dungeon.
Your job is literally turn tank stance and and 1-2 your aoe
I'm doing le funny lolrandum hildebrand quest, is it worth my time?
no
I'll do it anyway
It has 4 trials locked behind it.
I'm a little disappointed in the 12 questline so far
>I heard something about THE TWELVE, let's go investigate
>We found not-Olympos
>Hey it's THE TWELVE living on it
>Yes we are THE TWELVE, and we are real gods not primals (actual dialogue)
>We must fight
>Heh you fight well
>Until next time
Kinda glad they're chill and that square didn't make them spiteful buttholes or robots following their programming and nothing else. It's a nothingburger story, but if the raids are fun then that's all I need.
And Nophica's fat breasts.
>It's a nothingburger story
Well that's the problem, they're a pretty major thing and there's like no lore to slurp, except Things You Recognize. Maybe better story will come later, but right now it's the most barebones zero effort shit.
I always mute the Disney song
Nald'Thal's song is pretty good though
The story for all raids post HW has been really shallow. Seems like they cut down the story content because cutscene skippers complained it took to long to get to the playable content.
Don't all Alliance Raids take a while to pick up? Is there any that was even interesting at moment zero?
Void Ark and Ivalice
wtf i love cao cao now
Why did Venat have so little faith in her own people but put so much faith into the WoL?
EW is the worst written expansion, don't think too deeply about it or everything falls apart.
her own people had given up
the WoL had traveled across time to terra incognita with literally zero plan to try to save their world
>given up
>self sacrificing themselves to protect others
Stupid Venat simps.
>we're going to sacrifice everything that isn't us to bring back what we had so we can keep making sharks with legs
We're going to sacrifice ourselves, our families and our prosperous civilization so catgirls can ERP in Ul'dah
Yes. Sounds better than everyone's soul being torn apart and recreated in numerous worlds to face medieval Warfare and death for centuries nonstop.
if it was better, why'd they lose?
Because Venat fricked everything up. Dumb b***hes always ruin things.
They got to the point were they were not going to self-sacrifice anymore . They wanted to sacrifice the innocent new life growing on the planet. Why should that new life die for some dead sperg that want to make shitty land sharks.
Why should that new life exist get to exist more than those who sacrificed themselves to protect their friends?
>the WoL had traveled across time to terra incognita with literally zero plan to try to save their world
literal shounen anime logic, "guess I'll just fricking wing it" rarely actually works when the stakes are so high
you defeat MULTIPLE final bosses with the literal power of friendship. Another, different, power of friendship is a literal spell you can call upon at will.
I don't know why it took you this long to catch on
You also bad end and have to be saved by a time traveler to change the past.
But nah, mommy venat says we need to close loop this time.
>given up
Elidibus literally said the convocation was desperately trying to find a viable solution. Venat was the one who gave up.
>do we move forward
>or do we desperately cling to the past
walk, b***h
Stop posting untagged spoilers you fricking Black person homosexual. You do this every fricking day. Post FFXIV in your title or use a trip at least you worthless shit eating vermin. God I hope your boyfriend suffocates between Sneed's asscheeks.
Acshually, he was beaten by 8x 9/14ths of an Ascian, which works out to a whopping 72/14ths of an Ascian. Checkmate, Emet.
Venat actually didn't help the ascians because the WoL gave her such a good dicking that she had to let him be born.
>What the hell was his goal?
Play the game and find out.
Why didn't Venat just sunder Azem and send 14 copies of the combat autist to assassinate Endsinger
Why didnt Venat just call the Eagles to throw Endsinger in Mordor?
>fight for spergs that want to make land sharks
>fight for goth bird dicky
easy pick imo
But the spergs could make more goth bird dicky. They could make any goth animalgirl dicky you want.
All you Black folk need to fricking walk, that's all I'm saying
All I'm saying is that if you could push a big red button to save your loved ones at the cost of a couple million nogs in Kenya you would be pushing it before I even finish my sentence
That's not fair, most people here would push it even if it didn't mean bringing back loved ones.
I definitely would, but that's because I want to kill a couple million nogs in Kenya, and not because I particularly care about my loved ones
Why didn't everyone just kill themselves and come back as ghost?
Lalafell thighs
If Hermes could learn about Dynamis and create a being that could become Endsinger, then why couldn't Venat, or any other ancient, learn about Dynamis and make a being to defeat the Endsinger?
creating Meteion was basically just a guess based on observing less aether=more dynamis. I don't think Hermes really understood the ins and outs.
Despair was far more plentiful than hope. Meteion would have a massive advantage in any sort of pure Dynamics battle.
Did you play EW? All they had to do to beat Endsinger was get 5 people to pray. Venat had 12 followers, she could have beaten Endsinger in less than half the time.
Those people have been forged by an entire lifetime of conflict and overcoming despair. The Ancients had no such experience to draw on.
Ancients are immortal and have bonds longer than you can imagine. Don't underestimate the power of friendship.
We have inperical evidence that their society fell the frick apart in the face of Meteion. If they had the capacity to band together and overcome the challenge presented to them they would have.
Maybe they didn't have time to because Venat sundered everything within a few days of Zodiark stopping the chaos?
We have no definitive timeline on that.
>Maybe they didn't (headcanon)
Nothing like a global catastrophe to bring people together. She could have waited a bit longer to see what happened before nuking the world to peices.
Not really, there were a decent period in between Zodiark Summoning and Venat sundering
There was the initial bickering of what to do going forward, where Elidibus had to come out and break the stalemate, I'm guessing this was on the decision on whether they would sacrifice the remaining 1/2 for to rejuvenate Etheirys, then afterward it would take some time for the new life to develop and prosper before there would be enough life to sacrifice to Zodiark to bring back the people sacrificed in phases, the discussion for this plan probably begin to fragment the ancient society to Zodiark faction and Hydaelin faction
I think everything happen over a relatively long period of time, we are after all working with timeline of immortals
And that makes no sense whatsoever. A testament to how horribly written Endwalker is.
>the people not used to dealing with grief and despair end up falling apart in the face of grief and despair
>this makes no sense
At this point you're just fishing for (You)s aren't you?
The writers made the convocation way too potent and now they are struggling to find excuses as to why they failed and why Venat didn't rely on them. Honestly the whole controversy around Venat and Hermes among the fandom is enough evidence on how badly written this shit is. A character they tried to shove down our throat as "LE GOOD AMAZING HERO" during the entire expansion (until they back pedaled in omega's questline) is the most hated character here. This is quite telling on the writing quality and how badly they fricked up.
>A character they tried to shove down our throat as "LE GOOD AMAZING HERO" during the entire expansion (until they back pedaled in omega's questline) is the most hated character here.
speak for yourself homosexual, start walking
>you didn't understand the story !!!!
Same non-argument and deflection over and over again. As expected of Venat simps.
You know this never happens with a male character, only females have such dedicated coomer white knights.
>Same non-argument (headcanon)
lmao
>headcanon !! lmao !!!
Venatgays summed in one post.
>seethoid seething after being called out for sneedreading and fatal headcanoning to the detriment of their mental health and enjoyment of a game
malding, take a deep breath
I prolly won't be in the next thread crying about failed headcanon, can't say the same for you lol
Seeing your posts you seem very upset but whatever.
Headcanon.
>You know this never happens with a male character
Zenos.
Emet.
Same shit with Edeltard in the new fire emblem. Badly written characters always create controversy like this, especially when the views of the devs and the players don't align.
>Same shit with Edeltard in the new fire emblem.
Pretty 1-1 really.
>is the most hated character here
a few screeching autists mad that the story didn't play out like subversive westcuck shit doesn't mean that she's more hated than characters like funnydunny or ranjit
The writers did not frick up because idiots would rather rely on headcanon so they can go "venat stinky b***h" than actually pay attention to what the frick happened in the story.
>STOP HAVING OPINIONS I DON'T AGREE WITH
No.
Then I won't stop calling you a moronic sperg.
>pure seething
Says the person screeching that the writers fricked up because you don't agree to what happened in the game.
It's fine to not like her, the character did nothing for me.
It's not fine to obsessively make up autistic headcanons to justify your weird hatred.
>most hated
There's like 3 anons who constantly screech about her in every thread and everyone hasn't bothered arguing with them because they've outed themselves as speedreading morons every time.
Why not? The Ancients hadn't known any real hardship in untold millennia before Meteion arrived. It makes perfect sense for them to not be very well equipped to handle real adversity, any problems they had before were fairly easily resolved with their godlike creation powers.
Said being would easily be converted to Endsinger's side. Without the millennia of suffering to build a resistance to negative emotions, newly created beings would just be make Endsinger stronger.
Venat did, that was literally her plan. It was just a "I'm betting all the other player's chips too" sort of ante.
Threads like these just solidify Heavensward as the definitive expansion
Yeah aside from the lackluster conclusion to the Ul'dah drama it had the most solid MSQ.
Why is every storyline related to Uldah sucks major fricking dick?
ARR ending twist
PLD questline
UlDah has the alchemy and goldsmith questlines which are pretty grest
why does every storyline related to Limsa suck major dick?
why does every storyline related to Ala Mhigo and Lyse suck major dick?
why isn't Kan-E-Senna sucking my dick?
Can't wait to go back.
Yes, at least back in HW people talk about the game
what about rage
or lust for bird dicky
wanna start tanking and shit, how does tanking in alliances work? always assumed it was b group's duty, should i just turn my stance off?
If you're the best tank, tank it all.
Just keep yours off and let the other two morons fight it out unless it's a boss where all three tanks need to do something.
>boss where all three tanks need to do something.
literally when was the last time was done after ozma?
Puppet's Bunker
I mean 1 boss for 3 tanks.
That boss on Bunker is literally 3 adds
There's also Hansel and Gretel but the third tank just sits in a corner and wanks or pulls one of them to the other to frick with everyone.
He killed billions
She killed trillions
Speaking of alliance tanking why the frick does Diabolos Hollow hit like a fricking truck compared to every other alliance boss in the game
all of his attacks are crits until his shield is gone
I actively eat the leaver bonus if I get DS at this point ,every single time I get it, it goes fricking horribly.
>every single time I get it, it goes fricking horribly.
But that's the best part.
His whole gimmick is that he buffs the frick out of himself but he also damages himself. He can suicide at low enough HP
Because every level 70 and under boss does 20% less damage than they're supposed to since tank stance is now on permanently. Diabolos Hollow used to do tankbuster autoattacks until his shield was gone, now he just hits kinda hard.
It’s the one boss I actively see tanks die on. It’s pretty funny
It's always hilarious watching alliances wipe to Diabolos Hollow; the dude literally kills himself for you. All you have to do is survive.
>beings for more powerful than Ancients have visited the Source
Your in Nomura's world now.
So did Zodiark actually rewrite the laws of Etheirys or did he just shield it with aether from Endsingers influence?
Emet has a habit of being overly dramatic, but Zodiark did rejuvenate the planet after the effect of Final Days happened
Why didn't they just make Zodiark and Hydalean frick so they could give birth to a baby and then make that baby have sex with Azem and give birth to a baby that would be strong enough to have sex with Meteion so that Meteion could give birth to a baby strong enough to kill her?
bruhs why didn't we just get lavos to fight meteion?
Why didn’t Frodo just ride Shinryu into Mordor?
Why didn't Emet just shoot bird girl?
He was a dark knight when he went in the kitosis place.
why didn't they jsut sprinkle some salt on her wings, that could have stopped everything!
>Emet thinks of the sundered as children
>Emet has also fricked and sired children with the sundered countless times
>fricked the sundered
>still hates them and wants to bring back the Ancients
Guess that sundered pussy doesn't hold a candle to unsundered bussy
>Emet thinks of the sundered as children
Didn't he think of sundered as not even people? You know, his whole "it won't be murder if I kill you" line.
>been doing ocean fishing for the 3 million points cheevo
>all the routes are big value points in spectrals
>keep getting spectrals at the lowest value routes
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE I THOUGHT FISHING WAS SUPPOSED TO BE COMFY
>cutscene shows the final days
>people losing control and being eaten
>dead bodies everywhere
>Hythlodaeus going to off himself
>Emet seething
>Hermes being a useless depressed c**t
>covocation inhaling copium and getting ready to sacrifice more lives
Ah yes, clearly this meant that everything was perfectly fine and that bawd b***h is the one that ruined it
See
It's amazing how to make Venat look good they had to create an actual lie of a cutscene.
Shut up moron, obviously I was referring to the random crowd that rejects Venat. It was never Emet that said that shit, and neither he nor the Convocation ever said anything about not looking into the cause of the Final Days.
>and neither he nor the Convocation ever said anything about not looking into the cause of the Final Days.
So what fanfiction did you read that said they were looking into the cause of the Final Days?
>So what fanfiction did you read that said they were looking into the cause of the Final Days?
Shut up Black person, you (or another anon) were the one that claimed that they never intended to look into it. The one who makes the claim is the one burdened with proving it, the fact is that nothing ever says what anon insisted.
Imagine wasting your time arguing on the net white knighting a stupid fictional woman lmao.
WoW, Fire Emblem Three House and now this.
>want to speak on actual issues I take with the writing such as the pacing
>asciannigs always shit up good faith criticisms with their autistic nitpicking that the story didn't go their way
As it should be. AscianGODS btfo'ing trannies and simps with fact and logic.
UH, ALL THE ASCIANS OR CHAOS Black folk AS I LIKE TO CALL THEM, GET OFF THIS STAR BECAUSE IT'S FOR SUNDERED PEOPLE ONLY, UNDERSTAND? CAUSE IF YOU DON'T I WILL MAKE ZODIARK HYDAELYN'S b***h AGAIN!!!
i liked the mhigger version more
UH, ALL THE HIGHLANDERS OR MHIGGERS AS I LIKE TO CALL THEM NEED TO GET OUT OF UL'DAH, BECAUSE IT'S A LALAFELL COMMUNITY, UNDERSTAND? CAUSE IF YOU DON'T I WILL MAKE ALL THE HIGHLANDERS SLAVES AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!
perfection