FFXIV sucks dick. Why the frick should I stay subbed?
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FFXIV sucks dick. Why the frick should I stay subbed?
FFXIV sucks dick. Why the frick should I stay subbed?
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>stay subbed
can't believe people pay a subscription to play games. cuckoldry.
Poorgay detected
>american
everytime
Americans are pretty fricking poor though lol, half of em live with their parents even at 30
That's not even part of the statement. Americans are hard wired to just consume without thinking twice or thinking at all and if you don't follow those guidelines they just inmediatly think you're poor or some other cope.
actually the idea that you move out of your parents house as soon as you possibly can is an American thing, most euro countries it's quite normal
Isn't it actually a British and German thing? Where else would Americans have inherited that from
>Americans
OBSESSED
>Most Americans still live at home
Beats living in a flat with 6 other people you don't even know. 4 of them are probably Muslim
>NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT AMERICANS OBSESSED OBSESSED OBSESSED OBSESSED
lol
lmao
you enjoying your netflix bro?
>he says, as he proceeds to renew his gamepass subscription
first post, best post
seething cucks projecting
If you don't like it stop playing I guess. I stay subbed to tickle that mmo part of my brain. Going from WoW to XIV feels like I'm in rehab. I can do MMO type activities and have it not be a complete time parasite
I got my P3S clear week 1, it only took me a bit to pick up P4S because every group in PF was pinax prog, even the ones labeled "P2 enrage to clear". There were 100% PFs that had tank spots open specifically to MRD/WAR/DRK/GNB
There's legitimately no reason to stay subbed after you've completed all the current patch content/old content you're interested in.
The devs have said so themselves.
If you've done all the current patch content, what's left for you is to
1. Treat the game like it's Second Life
2. Autistically grind all jobs to 90
3. Autistically grind for achievements/mounts/etc
4. Dress up your character and take screenshots (see 1)
I love the game but not having a long term grind like a relic for nearly a whole year after an expansion launch is just bad design. People need shit to do in order to keep playing.
You forgot:
5. Making an alt and experiencing the reworked ARR experience.
The new solo duties of Rhitathyn and Lahabread were extremely fun and epic with multiple phases, did them recently on pic related alt.
You don't have to make an alt to do that, but sure.
It doesn't feel the same doing it in new game+ than with an alt.
They changed Lahabrea's dialogue in the new version of the final MSQ dungeon to mesh better with the current storyline. Pre-change his dialogue actually didn't make a ton of sense with what you would later learn about the game's setting.
It's funny how they consistently try to make Lahabread look cool in hindsight.
I can't wait to see the total revision of his character in the Pandemonium questline.
I kinda like when games do that sort of thing. Taking a really old antagonist that maybe was shallow and meaningfless back them and giving them some spotlight to shine.
Like how for example the villain of Ultima I kept being relevant through most of the rest of the franchise all the way to Ultima Online.
>a bunch of shit just to post your homosexual and ugly character
no one asked for you to post a selfie either homosexual
go to /vg/ if you wanna be a homosexual
Why are malezens the flipped version of femroes?
What do you mean by that? Elezen is most fit for a Dracula-like looks so went with that.
Yeah totally Pic related bro
Signed, totally not a redditor tourist
>redditor tourist
quick image search says it's been posted four times, only on Ganker, and most of them allude to having done that stretch of content recently on an alt
where'd reddit come from
>Dress up your character and take screenshots
You could have stopped here and nailed 70% of the normal playerbase and 90% of the Ganker ones.
>long term grind
S rank / A rank hunt mounts and Big Fish titles is all there is. Are you autistic enough?
Grinding for achievements/mounts/titles isn't that different from grinding for relics. They're all cosmetic past that one period where relics are actually BiS.
There is a very, very brief period in which relics are BiS so yes, it ultimately is just for the cosmetic and saying you did it.
>Why the frick should I stay subbed?
to do treasure maps and other braindead chores that people pretend is gameplay.
it is gameplay. Its just gameplay you don't want to do
If I'm going to do braindead chores anyway, why wouldn't I just play WoW instead where I can actually get meaningful power rewards for it?
>actually get meaningful power rewards
I hope Yoship never listens to you and the XIV version of M+ is nothing like what you WoWgays hoped it would be.
>he likes doing braindead chores
>without being rewarded for it
FFXIV players are zombies.
>Any reward that doesn't give player power is no reward
Raidhomosexuals are insufferable
Not him but they literally stopped giving meaningful rewards, I'd take glamour but we don't even get many Glamour rewards anymore. The last few treasure map rewards have been trash and bawdglam is basically non-existent from in-game tasks.
>mommy look at my fruity new glam!!!
cosmetic rewards are boring. there are much better ways to play dress up than in this dogshit game.
Name (1) online multiplayer game with better bawdglam dressup
>Name (1) online multiplayer game with better bawdglam dressup
I'll name 2.
Second Life and VR chat both have far more (literally infinite) and better bawdglam dressup options, in addition to none of it being locked behind braindead chores. You can even design your own individual fashion pieces.
Neither are games anon, I can't play those after I dress up
>Neither are games
They're both games, actually.
>I can't play those after I dress up
Yes you can.
answer my question
No I can't, don't be disingenuous anon if you're going to argue at least give a real example, I expected you to say some dead Korean MMO at a minimum but I'm just disappointed
>No I can't
of course you can. you're moronic, aren't you?
they're as much video games as any of the casual content in FFXIV is. maybe more so, because players themselves can design content in both games, unlike in FFXIV.
In FFXIV I can do the non-casual content after dressing up then, so.. give me something comparable and better?
>it's not content because i don't like it
kettle, meet pot.
Alright, please show me the gameplay I can experience in those games and I'll admit I'm wrong
sure. here's an example of an escape room in VR Chat. does FFXIV have escape rooms?
That looks very clunky anon, but fine you win
To everyone else is there a game with good gameplay and unlockable bawdwear?
>To everyone else is there a game with good gameplay and unlockable bawdwear?
there are none. FFXIV especially has bad gameplay with very little variety.
FFXIV Savage/Extreme/Ultimate content is good enough to be an enjoyable challenge. Certainly better than alternatives, at least from the alternatives I've seen
>FFXIV Savage/Extreme/Ultimate content is good enough to be an enjoyable challenge.
It's literally the only fun content, and that's in spite of the boring/repetitive class design, not because of it.
I don't disagree, but now we're on the same page, FFXIV has some fun content along with glamour and bawdmogs, is there a better alternative?
There are better alternatives for bawdmogs, and there are better alternatives for raiding gameplay, but not for both combined.
Which game for better bawdmogs out of curiosity, I could use a side game. But I've played a lot of MMO's and haven't found one with better raid content than XIV, it's just ashame we're limited to just 4 bosses.
>Which game for better bawdmogs out of curiosity
Second Life and VR Chat have fully customizable characters, which includes the clothes they wear. You can make anything you want if you're talented enough with 3d modeling, etc. You aren't limited to what the devs can be fricked to create.
>But I've played a lot of MMO's and haven't found one with better raid content than XIV
WoW has objectively better raids, you should try it out sometime.
That's not really the same anon, I want a game not content creation, I just want to pick a game, have consistent art and be able to dress my small chested girl of choice up in bawd wear.
I used to play WoW, I have more hours in WoW than XIV and the raids were ass by comparison, it feels like the difficulty is only magnified because instead of 8 morons not fricking up, you have to have 25 morons not frick up. In terms of individual responsibility and difficulty XIV feels far far better, and more satisfying when you learn the dance to perfection.
>That's not really the same anon
I agree, it's significantly better.
> I want a game not content creation
Then play the game, there are plenty of pre-existing outfits and character models you can use, in addition to plenty of content that other players have created.
>I used to play WoW, I have more hours in WoW than XIV and the raids were ass by comparison
WoW raids are significantly better than FFXIV these days, with much, much more variety in its gameplay. Did you play pre-MoP by any chance?
>you have to have 25 morons not frick up
Ah, you did play pre-MoP. That kind of explains it, the old bosses were easy. But even the older raids have better environment design than FFXIV's arcade arenas, and are still more varied mechanically.
Where do I get the character models? Can you post an example so I can browse?
Environment design is irrelevant to gameplay so it doesn't matter to me, but I agree with your statement about it.
>Environment design is irrelevant to gameplay
Of course it isn't. It's so weird that FFXIV players think this, I'm guessing it's because they've been fighting bosses in unchanging circles for 10 years.
I remember them saying they want to do more unique arenas like P2S going forward so that's encouraging at least.
Again, I played WoW and the environment design was always irrelevant
>I played WoW and the environment design was always irrelevant
This isn't a total lie. Even the first raid they ever put in the game, Molten Core, had environmental mechanics, like proper positioning around the lava spiral for knockbacks.
There's no different to a Protean wave or Earthquake spread, it might appear visually different but it's mechanically/functionally no different
>There's no different to a Protean wave or Earthquake spread
It's significantly different, actually.
Well sure, Protean wave and Earthquake require you to pay more attention and have better spatial awareness
>Environment design is irrelevant to gameplay
this is only because ffxiv devs are so creatively bankrupt that they don't know how to incorporate environments into combat. plenty of WoW bosses use environmental mechanics.
For example? An environmental hazard is no different to breaking hazard or "don't step here" boss circle
>For example?
The eggs in Onyxia's lair.
Not functionally different to summoning adds for failing mechanics like on the fairy b***h from ShB.
>Not functionally different to summoning adds for failing mechanics like on the fairy b***h from ShB.
It is functionally different, because it's a static part of the environment, not a scripted mechanic.
>a static part of the environment, not a scripted mechanic.
A static mechanic is just a scripted mechanic that persists for the entire battle, like an instakill wall at the edge of the arena.
So what you're saying is that WoW has environmental mechanics and FFXIV doesn't. Glad we could agree.
You must have a comprehension issue because if that's your conclusion from that statement then FFXIV instant kill walls are environmental mechanics.
>then FFXIV instant kill walls are environmental mechanics.
i mean, yeah. it's a pathetically bland environmental mechanic, but an environmental mechanic all the same.
Off the top of my head: Pharos Serius has eggs in a boss arena that hatch. SnowCloak has falling icicles. P2 has the sewer water.
Are those not considered environmental mechanics? Genuine question, as I never played WoW so I have no idea how those work
>it's the same as long as you ignore the fact that it's not environmental
you really are a dumbass.
It's your own logic anon, you said environmental mechanics = static mechanics, so we found a static mechanic in XIV. Now both have environmental mechanics or neither do.
So we're agreed, both games have environmental mechanics and neither of them are meaningfully different to a regular boss mechanic
>treasure maps
>90% killing trash mobs
>10% fighting really easy bosses and getting fricked by RNG doors
I don't know why people pretend to like this content. It's garbage.
>I don't know why people pretend to like this content. It's garbage.
FFXIV players have extremely low standards.
Because it's just an excuse to hang out with friends, and people like hanging out with friends
Replying to posts from the old thread
No I get it, I'm familiar with the discord callout server for hunts and shit like that, I am just maybe poorly trying to convey that this shit defeats the purposes of these MMOs to begin with. It's not about the content of the game, it's about the relationships built with other people inside the game. The insular nature of discord servers has made it so people don't really interact with eachother ingame because the game doesn't provide them with a reason to. People are standing around waiting for a fricking bot to make a callout instead of exploring the world and interacting with players and actually engaging with the community. This shit is exactly why themepark MMOs can have a million people playing them and why it still feels empty.
I hate it and rebel against it however I can. Frick your conveniently delivered "content" so you can save up internet points for a stupid fricking mount. There used to be more to these games than chasing pixels around.
Force me to stop then
Oh wait I guess all you can do is tattle on the GMs and complain that I'm not making your content convenient enough for you. So sad :^)
Themepark mmos are trash, deal with it
Melee jobs are very distinct right now. They each have their own flavour to the combo system that makes each job unique.
>DRG
DoT is a natural part of the combo system so you don't really manage it.
Brain dead but oddly fun to play with how straight forward amd smooth it is.
>SAM
Refresh your dot every minute. I agree this is moronic but the rest of the job is sorta okay. My only gripe is that the sticker combo system is boring and all the sword slashes look the same.
>NIN
No DoT in single target unless you're moronic and use doton.
Combo system is filler and NIN is actually a timer job with how you stockpile resources to dump them all in your burst.
>MNK
The only melee job where I would say the DoT needs to be actively managed. Free-form combo system adds a lot of freedom + room for failure since you need to actively choose when to refresh demolish. The same system can cause you to drop the DoT for several GCDs if you choose to burst at the wrong time.
>RPR
Have not played it.
Larper who plays Monk pretending Braindead rotation doesn't exist and isn't optimal.
Wtf does a larper have to do with playing a jrpg?
And yeah, braindead rotation is fine. No one said it wasn't.
Buddy please shut the frick up. The only place any class feels unique is in PvP. EVERY class boils down to following an either 60 or 120s rotation window.
Removing Kaiten was the nail in the coffin for melee job uniqueness. They won't even let you enjoy the feeling of getting a frickhuge crit on the class entirely themed around slow huge cool sword attacks.
>jobs synergizing bursts means they are effectively the same
At least post an actual argument instead of regurgitating shit.
>Jobs having literally the exact same gameplay beats means they are effectively the same
Correct. Eat my ass, shitlover.
Whaaaat why are they different???
>All music is the same because they sometimes use the same bpm and instruments.
This is how you sound.
a better analogy would be that all elevator sounds similar because it all uses similar cadence and scales.
you can literally play Doom in VR chat. Or anything else a player decides to create, really. It's as sandbox as it gets.
How do I equip bawdwear in doom?
your character will already be wearing it, presumably.
So how do I change my top? Can you show me? Do you unlock it?
And you sound like a shiteater, we have already established this. My ass. Eat it.
>"N-NICE ARGUMENT"
My argument is having played the fricking game to Endwalker and having all jobs at 90, fricktard. You love the taste of shit, I get it, so get to work.
>no argument
I accept your concession.
>My argument is having played the fricking game to Endwalker and having all jobs at 90, fricktard. You love the taste of shit, I get it, so get to work.
I STILL DON'T FEEL THAT RIM GETTING CLEANED
GET IN THERE, SHITEATER
>I have grinded leveling/main scenario/crystal tower roulette for every job to 90 like a rat in a box
Having all 90s is a shit argument by itself pal.
>Playing the game is not a valid argument for how you think the game feels
k
You don't need to play the game to hit lvl 90, you just need to roll your forehead across some buttons in roulettes.
Classes were more interesting when they gave pierce/slashing resistance down and had synergy, and brought unique utility like mana regen. And when resources mattered.
>Monk
>Only job where DoT has to be managed
>Not including SAM where if you get a phase change or invuln section before 45 seconds of DoT time it’s actually a DPS loss because you shortchanged yourself 1 sen for your big Crit attack
you idiots are so easy to herd
I wish the controller inputs didn't take a fricking million years to set up.My fingers are getting too old for kb+m
does bullying in school build character?
It's the societal immune system working to minimize behavior it considers undesirable. I wouldn't say it "builds character," but it does help get people in line.
This is why bullying gays is based.
bullying in school are intros to irl fps levels
idk im more of the vain of frick school shooters.
So don't. The only reason to stay subbed is if you're one of the people who fell for the housing trap.
Shut the frick up I'm not new. If you want xiv threads don't piss me off homosexual b***hes.
shut up cuck
You'll die.
99s and 100s require godly RNG, right?
Nope, especially not on healers and Warriors. 99's are easy to get in PF groups but 100's will likely require certain class setups if you're a rDPS class.
I needed to cap some tomes and got into a P1s numbers group and got a 98 on NIN and I was wondering if you need stuff like a SCH and AST to bump numbers
No you don't, the main difference is not having a Warrior tank and having 2x DRK is preferable. But for 99's that shouldn't make much difference
If you were a tank, would you use AoE?
No, ARR was a better time with limited threat building and I like to recreate that time
>I don't like it
>I can expect the honesty
i swear these players are so moronic.
>im play bad in purpose and make you lose time okay?
>yeah, haha 🙂
I swear this community is fricking moronic
Yep, some people are ridiculous
"no"
That's where the person who's in charge goes, BRB fixing a problem, and then kicking and blacklisting the moron.
This is just a consequence of nobantz making people touchy homosexuals that take the most benign possible criticism as an assault against their honor.
Yes, because I know how to tank properly and I dare claim i'm the best tank on my server.
Are you satisfied with how your main job plays in Endwalker?
Do you trust the current job dev team to make changes to the game?
>BRD
Yes
>trust the current job dev team
I don't trust anyone on the dev team other than the musicians, the rest all continue to let me down
>MNK
Eeeh
>Trust
I look forward to learning how to play monk again in 6.3, 6.4, and 7.0
>DRK
No. Job feels like it has no identity compared to other tanks
No
No
>NIN
YES
I think if they team up with the PVP team they improve the jobs a lot
>I think if they team up with the PVP team they improve the jobs a lot
based
feels like they're making the jobs too samey, meanwhile PvP got them all distinct and fun
they can't put exact PvP kits in PvE but they need to take a couple notes from there
i dont understand how they still havent added anything more kek
They aren't going to make PVE jobs unique because they're terrified of the idea of certain jobs becoming "mandatory" for content Despite WAR and SCH being mandatory for six fricking years from 2.1 > 5.0
Even now Expedient and Macrocosmos/infinite MP already make SCH and AST much better than the other 2 so what the frick are they even thinking
>i dont understand how they still havent added anything
They mentioned in one of the pre ShB interviews they don't want to put more pressure on healers and "stress" them out which probably makes sense considering how moronic the casual healers are but that doesn't excuse them from not just making endgame healing harder to make up for it. Hell even DSR has been universally agreed as being pretty fricking boring for healers overall. To me thats just YoshiP bullshiting without actually giving it some thought.
>pre ShB
pre EW*
>I think if they team up with the PVP team they improve the jobs a lot
Please no, the PvP team is a fricking joke
>SAM
mostly, I do miss Kaiten though, and I don't think Shoha I and II should be seperate buttons.
>ALL healers still glare spamming 3 years after ShB release
they need to be fired asap
>they need to be fired asap
its literally 4 guys
You're kidding right?
Wish I was
>Battle Director
Kei Sato
>Battle System Designers
Takashi Kawamoto
Hikaru Tamaki
Hironori Isami
Source: Endwalker credits
That's kinda depressing
then they need to hire one or two more guys asap
I know you can't have 9 woman make a baby in 1 month and all but 4 devs for all jobs is kind of a joke
>Are you satisfied with how your main job plays in Endwalker?
They made MNK a bit better but it could go nowhere but up
>Do you trust the current job dev team
lol
LOL
I still don't get why in the frick they'd remove that, werent SAMs happy with how the job was in 6.08
>GNB
It's okay but fitting Double Down into the rotation does feel clunky. It would work betetr if it was just the oGCD followup to Fated Circle like Hypervelocity is to Burst Strike.
>PLD
Meh. They made the ranged rotation less jank but it's all braindead anyway.
>Do you trust the current job dev team to make changes to the game?
lmao
I just want them all fired and for the pvp devs to take over
>omni-tank
PLD feels fine. Bit boring, but it does the job well enough.
WAR is too simple, even so primal rend feels great
DRK is alright in raids, and raids only. Feels like absolute trash in dungeons or really anything outside of that.
GNB isn't something I've ever been a huge fan of - Double Down and Gnashing combo having lower CDs based off skill speed feels awkward, but its fun to play and stylish as hell
Tanking in general feels pretty mediocre though to be honest
Tanks and healers are all samey dogshit and DPS classes are well on their way to being the same. Only shiteaters seem to disagree.
>Tanking in general feels pretty mediocre though to be honest
You feel its too simple?
It's all the same shit. There's nothing really that tanks have to do special, especially with how simple the rotations are for them compared to DPS, and especially compared to healers. I genuinely don't know how I'm still enjoying the game, but I'll keep riding the high I guess
I've been seeing that more and more with each expansion. I miss how HW was honestly
>I genuinely don't know how I'm still enjoying the game, but I'll keep riding the high I guess
Job design is one thing, it just means you're probably still enjoying other things the game has to offer.
Kaiten is one thing, what I dislike most is how low crits go now...
Having more utility would be nice. My favorite tank to play is PLD solely because of cover and passage of arms. Both skills are impractical in optimized runs but frick if it doesn't feel good to shield the entire party from a gigahuge beam or save someone's life (especially if it costs me my own)
>Pop cover and Invuln at the same time
>Save BOTH someone's life AND your own
It's really the only time I ever feel cool playing PLD and the literal only example of uniqueness among the tanks. Shame it almost literally never happens.
PLD bro... cover dmg goes through mit and invuln
NOT IN PVP GET FRICKED HAHAHAHAH
>Are you satisfied with how your main job plays in Endwalker?
I played scholar since stormblood and they're going to keep killing the job like they always did, so no.
>Do you trust the current job dev team to make changes to the game?
Even bigger no, LOL.
>DRG
It's fine but could be so much better.
>Do you trust the current job dev team to make changes to the game?
After making Summoner braindead easy to play? Not really.
frick off back to /vg/ avatargay
Oh no, how horrible that someone posts a character.
>SAM
meh, still sorta miss my cool sword twirl Kaiten, but im use to not having to press it anymore. If anything, they need to get rid of Shoha 2 and just have Shoha do standard and AOE damage when necessary.
>Do you trust them
lol no, there honestly gonna probably make SAM even more of a baby DPS job to play but oh well, I'm sticking with it because frick you I wanna be Vergil.
>PLD
Yeah, pretty much. I would like if the game actually allowed me to use my support kit a bit more, but I can't really complain since both PLD and WAR don't need no healers anymore in dungeons and carrying shitters in level Clemency plus content has actually become some of my favorite things to do in XIV as of late
>Do you trust?
I was about to say "frick no" but then the memories of the first week in CC came back to me.
They've made so many fricking blunders with job design overall that it's nothing short of a miracle that for every 3ish frickups, they somehow manage to turn it around.
CC proved that they actually KNOW how to make shit unique in play style without going completely off the rails, SGE and new SMN proved that they actually KNOW how to create non-timer based or dot based gameplay and PLD/WAR showed that they can actually shake shit up in a "holy trinity" game without breaking already established roles completely
My hope is their PVP changes are a hint at the direction they want to take jobs in PVE.
Do you guys not play any real PvP games?
What kind of a question is that? That has frickall to do about how we feel about XIV, which is what was the original question was about
Because you seem to think making jobs feel distinctive in a PvP environment is some kind of feat or something, when in reality it's piss easy.
In the context of XIV its a breath of fresh air anyways compared to how stale and bad PvP used to be and how homogenized PvE jobs are getting.
Yeah, if you prune jobs and make them good at one or two things, that helps make them more distinctive. FFXIV PvP is garbage at it's core though, the job balance and the abundance of CC with no diminishing returns speaks volumes to how incompetent the PvP team actually is.
With how the game is currently designed, I see no way for them to make jobs actually feel unique in PvP without a major combat overhaul honestly.
Jobs actually are distinct in pvp though
Yes, but the devs dont know how to balance distinct jobs. They made WHM broken beyond repair and SCH undraftable trash
When jobs are distinct, they can never be balanced. That's the whole point, and it's why PvE is so homogenized.
>they can never be balanced
True, but the thing is that you can make them all work within their niche. You can't have jobs that "Do all" without breaking it.
WAR and WHM are literally the "Do all" of the pvp. They stun, silence, heal, support AND deals damage.
Neither of them can silence, but I agree that at least on launch WHM and WAR were really strong (haven't played much ranked to form an opinion now).
But I think it is acceptable that on the first iteration there are outliers. They are doing pretty frequent balance updates and I think they're doing a fine job at it. Of course there will be buffs like BLM that go overboard, but I think a constantly shifting metagame is more fun than a stagnant one where the devs are too scared to make buffs or nerfs. Maybe I'd be more pissed if I was going for top 100 or something, but I don't think they should listen to those people anyway.
>They made WHM broken beyond repair
That was only true thanks to their infinite heal bug, after they fixed that you just need someone on your team to stick to that WHM like flies stick to shit. Their one gimmick in that they are a dive bomber with one of the best CC actions in the game is all they have. If they pick the wrong target or if they get focused down there is frickall they can do
That isn't to say that they aren't strong as frick, they are defiantly up there on the tier list, but they are not so "OP" that they can't be dealt with. Hell, PLD is one of the worst fricking jobs in PvP right now, but they are a stalling GOD, which means that if the enemy team fricks up and lets the PLD do their job then that can tip the scales in a major way for the other team to win
>PLD is one of the worst fricking jobs in PvP right now
Disagree, PLD is the best tank, behind the broken mess that is WAR.
It has CC, decent damage expect from a tank, good support, Cover + Guard fully protects someone and a very good support LB.
Now DRK on the other hand is absolute garbage
>PLD
>Decent DMG
Now I know for sure that you've barely touched CC. All the PLD is good at is surviving and maybe denying a kill or two as long as you are not playing with morons that start running away after you've popped Cover on them.
PLD barely has enough DMG to put any kind of pressure on people, which means that they will always lose in any scenario where they can't stall until they get backup. Their CC is not any better than any of the other melee jobs, they just have an extra sec attached to it, especially since (believe it or not) CC does have diminishing returns in PvP, which means that this extra sec is always wasted since people just spam their stuns any chance they get.
Phalanx is fricking godlike tough and DRK is really shit, I'll give you that
>All the PLD is good at is surviving and maybe denying a kill or two as long as you are not playing with morons that start running away after you've popped Cover on them
Sounds like a proper tank to me
That’s very different from how tanks play in the rest of the game, though. Tanks in this game are not true tanks, they’re pretty much just ‘DPS that trade ~30-40% damage for more health and defensive cool downs’.
what the hell is a """real tank""" then, warrior even fits an age-old RPG mold for tanks where they trade survivability/armor for big burst damage
no dps rotation, big HP meatballs, lots of defensive abilities with a focus on always reducing damage taken though passives. This is very unpopular in most games its implemented, WoW for example has a massive tank crisis where nobody wants to play tanks because its fricking boring as shit.
yeah rpgs with 100% dedicated tanks usually suck ass, i've noticed even D&D will give paladins and barbarians a second attack and some class-flavor things to do (like paladins getting spell slots and an MP pool of free heals) and they're *supposed* to be the game's tanks
legitimately gunbreaker is one of the best tank classes in a game i've played and it's explicitly because it's a DPS class wearing a tank's face
You are sort of missing the point of Crystalline Conflict. Roles does not exist in there, only the jobs and their quirks, it's why there is no role queue for it. This means that you have to look at all the jobs in the same light and weigh them all against each other instead of just against other jobs in the same role
>Roles does not exist in there, only the jobs and their quirks
GNB is literally a bad DPS and I'm seething
There may be no role queues, but I still think the PvP team looks at those jobs within their own roles. Like how PLD is the actual tanky tank, WAR is the CC tank, GNB is supposed to be the DMG tank and DRK is a job. This also applies to other jobs, like the phys ranged, MCH is the damage range, DNC is the support and BRD is mix of support and CC.
Anon, they've quite literally said that they do not balance and design around roles in CC. Only around the "Final Fantasy" job fantasy of each job
Oh, the PvP team is even more moronic than I thought
That is actually less moronic than your view on it. If they actually did balance and design around roles in CC but not enforce role queues, then every single time you had one role too much or too little you would automatically lose or win thanks to "balance"
I mean, I got that view because that's how it's presented in the game. You already automatically lose when the enemy team has a NIN/BLM and you get a DNC/DRK.
That's just shit balancing though and it would probably still have been a thing, even if they balanced around roles
The balance really is atrocious, huh. How the frick are jobs like DRK and NIN even made by the same people?
My guess is that they ran out of time on testing and that this 1st season (probably 2nd season to) is their QC testing for CC. I mean, the fricking infinite WHM healz bug was left in the game for an almost 2 months, even though they made a fricking blog post about it where they said:
>WELP, we know this shit is broken and we've already fixed it in our current internal build. But we can't hotfix this shit ASAP because... Reasons? Oh, we will still shut down the servers for the housing autists though, unlike you guys, they just can not wait until next patch to get their shit fixed 😉
>My guess is that they ran out of time on testing
After those BLM buffs, I think they're just moronic honestly
The PvP team took notes from everyone on Ganker that complains jobs don't have enough class-fantasy flavor
And PvP jobs are 100% better from it. Except they are morons and dont know how to balance anything.
And thank god for that.
>Mfw AST
>Mfw every time I smear somebody across the floor or blend the enemy team recast Gravity
>Playing BLM
>PLD alone sticks to me
>Just ignore it and keep blasting on the enemy team
It's hilarious when PLD's think they can bully anyone out of a fight
Unironically please do not bully
I somehow got to Crystal rank playing PLD exclusively and I really like pretending that I've been valuable in some way
I see how little damage I do you don't have to remind me
It's fun chasing someone when they're really low and out of recovery options. Two gap closers, a 3s stun, and Confiteor mean you will never escape. But yeah I largely feel like my biggest skill is being really slow at dying.
The thing is: You dont have choice in terms of tanks. GNB is a badly disguised DPS and DRK is a joke. PLD is the best "tank" you have if you dont want to WAR.
>You dont have choice in terms of tanks.
Sorry, homosexual, my tank of choice has been Gunbreaker since Shadowbringers and it's gonna stay that way for as long as Gunbreaker has cartridge combos and Continuation.
What even is the point of GNB right now?
>WAR tankiest tank
>DRK highest damage tank
>PLD utility tank
>GNB ???
"Tank that plays the most like a melee DPS"
>GNB
>3 moronic DPS players in a trench coat
And don't you forget it, buddy.
"We need a tank but nobody wants to play a tank so we'll take that moron"
the one that isn't boring
They weren't talking about PvE moron.
It's exactly the same in PVP.
>B-but PLD is tankier
Nobody attacks PLD. The real benefit of PLD in PVP is making teammates unkillable and constant disruption. WAR best makes use of their tankiness.
To remind you that the worst mainline game irreparably poisoned the FF lore pool with gunblade.
>Canonically have NPCs use Gunshields all around
>Give the TANK a GUNBLADE with no shield
>GNB stance is to carry the gunblade BEHIND THE SHOULDERS while face tanking
GNB is moronic is pure fan service
We're never getting a Garlean job and they're FF8 gunblades, not Garlean gun weapons. Garleans are born losers.
People who take the hrothgar completely seriously on everything they say are funny, it's INCREDIBLY suspicious that they can trace their racial history back to the time of the Allagans when no other species can do that and it's INCREDIBLY suspicious that they've had mechanized weapons for several thousand years. There's a reason a lot of the Bozja plotline revolved around the Hrothgar account of history being fabricated.
It's the only tank that doesn't put me to sleep, for one.
GNB is a decent drop-in substitute for any of the three roles depending on the availability of the enemy team composition, but being a jack-of-all-trades job reliant on the enemy team for skills to nick he's also not as good at any of them as any of them. You do however make an excellent harrier or annoyance, and Continuation/Hypervelocity lets you get in some sneaky kill confirms.
>infinite heal bug is what made WHM OP
Yeah I'm sure having the lowest cd LB that nukes and stuns the entire enemy team had nothing to do with it. And you actually had the gall to tell somebody else they hadn't played CC.
Haven't played since they started buffing DNC and GNB, but my take is that the only jobs that they need to go back to the drawing board on is GNB and maybe DNC. GNB's draw and junction mechanic should be the main part of the job they lean into for the skill ceiling, but instead it's just a use-and-forget skill that you only really need to use once per match to get the DPS Junction and that's it. DNC needs a few minor mechanics changes so it can use its dash while channeling the dance, and I think its LB needs to be changed so server ticks don't eat your extended crowd control because the fricking server didn't register your damage until after the 2 second period, but other than that it's not in that bad a spot anymore.
PLD, DRK, SCH, AST, all have great gameplay but they need some minor numbers buffs, that's it. PLD is a defensive god that breaks up assist trains, DRK is a risk-reward reset king, SCH is a fun take on a pvp buff/debuff class, and AST has its dual cast mechanic and its strong spot healing. Conceptually, they're fine.
>GNB needs to go back to the drawing board
>DRK is fine
moron
Shut up moron, DRK has a perfectly good identity in PVP. A numbers buff is all it needs.
And what is it's identity?
High risk high reward general melee bruiser. It's the kind of job that will either wipe the entire enemy team or get shit on and make the DRK look like a moron with little in between. They need to lean into that notion a bit more with numbers buffs, and the class will be fine.
>High risk, high reward
Couldn't be further from the truth. DRK has the worst shield int the game, needs 12khp just to do a weak fricking combo, has a shitty gap closer and SE is a joke. GNB just straight up better than DRK at almost everything.
Want a bigger joke? Their LB needs FULL HP to deal less damage than SAM LB and it kills you
Oh, I know, the job is trash. I assume you're meant to use the life steal and spam Bloodspiller+Shadowbringer during their LB to shit out damage, but that doesn't work if you take 2 points of damage after the bloodspiller. The entire job is a complete joke in PvP.
So it needs numbers buffs, like I originally said.
moron.
Even if it has a numbers buff, it would end up being just another GNB, where its a DPS in disguise with no CC and support. Its fundamentally shit and needs a overall rework.
I guess the same could be said for its PvE counterpart
>no cc and support
It has an aoe pull and root as well as a shield it can place on anybody. It has plenty of "tank" abilities, but it's not as defensively focused as PLD and it doesn't have the straight and simple CC that WAR does. That's fine.
Not sure if its had any attention since I last played, but all it really needs is a small CD buff to its salted earth, a numbers tweek to its bloodthirster or whatever the skill that deals more damage as you lose health is, and it'll be in a good spot.
It'd still be a worse GNB
No, it won't. This is the last reply you're getting from me, you complete moron.
It's obvious you don't play the job, so frick off
Cope, dipshit.
Not in PvP. This is the last reply you're getting from me, you complete moron.
Cope
>Load into PvP as DRK for the first time for a failed "gotcha"
How sad. Post results screen
LMAO THE PURE UNADULTERED COPE
I'm just posting old screenshots, I haven't even played since after the first round of BLM buffs, but I literally climbed to Crystal as DRK
Post rank homosexual
>I guess the same could be said for its PvE counterpart
You homies are unbelievable. GNB is doing like 5% less DPS than DRK and it needs a full rework? It's slightly annoying to move the boss during gnashing fang? Full rework. No wonder the game is getting more homogenized; any bit of inconvenience or weakness and you gays lose your minds.
>any bit of inconvenience or weakness and you gays lose your minds.
Daily reminder that WAR lost its conal AoE
that's a good thing, overpower sucked ass
tenka goken is the worse offender, much better as an aimed cone
He was talking about DRK you illiterate goon
Honestly that doesn't even hurt my point it only makes it better lmao. DRK might as well be the poster child of minor inconveniences turn into yeah let's just rework the whole fricking thing I guess.
>Job gutted across expansions
>Minor inconveniences
This is what happened when yoshida decided to pander to casual trannies and their invisible ghosts.
No, it needs a completely different tool set you moron. A job that kills itself to do damage, but only has 1 life steal ability, which is a slow, small AoE is garbage. It's LB is completely irrelevant when PLD can just Hallowed Ground in PvP. Salted Earth needing 2 inputs for full value with these garbage servers is dumb. TBN being a DPS loss is an embarrassment. Plunge is a garbage gap closer. Frick, you can't even survive the tornadoes on Cloud Nine with Undead Rebirth.
It's laughable that you think GNB needs to go back to the drawing board but DRK just needs it's numbers changed
Meant PvE
Exactly, You either never kill anyone or burst them down while CC'ing them into oblivion. It's awful balancing
Once again, I meant to say PvE. PvP jobs are unique, even if you remove the absurd amount of CC in their kits. The PvP is garbage because like you said, their servers are trash, yet they opted to make highly reactive instead of proactive
>abundance of CC with no diminishing returns
>uses a macro to auto-purify on stun
I lovei t, regardless the problem with PvP is Recuperate. There is no way to kill someone without chain-stunning because any chip damage you do is just negated.
That is complete bullshit and you know it. All jobs at the very least have a unique gimmick in their limit break, but all of them also play differently and have different goals in the match thanks to how their actions interact within other actions in their kit.
The PvP having a lot of crowd control does not diminish this and it's not that on it's own that is fricking the PvP mode in the ass, it's their god awful netcode
I applaud what they did in pvp for the jobs.
They are still full moronic in balancing jobs though.
Also
>pvp in a game with no cheat detection and rampant modding
Doomed from the start
It's not that it is hard to do anon, it's that its hard to do WELL.
Something that the PvP team has almost managed to achieve with CC. Not only that, but according to YoshiP, the PvP and PvE job design team is one and the same, which means that they very much know how to balance this shit while also making it more unique in play style.
This means that it's not incompetence that is holding these devs back, its something else and as long as it's not incompetence, it can be fixed
>PLD/DRK
Generally happy with both. DRK still feels awakward since, unlike other tanks, you need to rely on your team to stay alive. Since enjoying how your job plays is heavily based on the encounters, it's a bit difficult to just say something is good or bad
I liked P3S add phase and how it had tank movement throughout the fight with boss positioning and tether tank busters
I liked P4S downtimes as PLD since it was interesting to figure rotation for melee downtime and it felt more like playing the game, rather than doing the same rotation every single time
DSR is also very good in pretty much all aspects
I hope the dev team takes more risks and isn't afraid of triggering the hardcore playerbase with stuff like adds on boss fights, forced melee downtime, intermissions etc
>I hope the dev team takes more risks and isn't afraid of triggering the hardcore playerbase with stuff like adds on boss fights, forced melee downtime, intermissions etc
Those are all things I enjoy to optimize as a meleegay, there isn't nearly enough of these in savage.
You'd be amazed (or maybe not) at the amount of people who get uppity that "their rotation is ruined" or that "the parses will be a shitshow" when fights have adds or downtime
It's very funny to see these kind of reactions cuz it's like they forget everyone is dealt the same hand to deal with these hurdles
eh, kinda. I play all the tanks in most content except for ultimates because I will admit me and my static probably not good enough to run them.
>PLD
Fun, good amount of variety and I like the new confiteor combo. Clearly though in 7.0 PLD needs another piece to the melee AoE combo because it gets boring fast, was hoping they'd address that in 6.0.
>WAR
Feels good to not need a healer, but its dreadfully boring. Way too easy, way too simple. Easily the best tank in the game atm for dungeons and low tier progression where healers aren't good, just boring to play.
>DRK
Like the new changes a lot, but I still think the class needs a full rework eventually. It just seems like Square Enix is kicking the can down the road instead of properly addressing it.
>GNB
Honestly don't really have an issue here besides what everyone else says about No Mercy window needing a trait to make it longer. I fully expect 7.0 will bring a Continuation to the AoE combo, and I will welcome it.
All in all I like the tanks right now balance wise, but GNB feels like the only one that gets to have a little more skill expression in its combo. I know DRK opener is complicated but after that its faceroll easy. Tanks are not in super short supply, there is no need to try to make them as simple as possible to make more people play then. I'm really hoping 7.0 makes some changes to possibly make the tanks have higher skill ceiling and more personal touch in the way they play. Although I do suspect 7.0 will also bring a new tank job, my guess would be a dual sword tank because people have been asking for that for years. Maybe a tank rework will be bundled in with that.
>PLD
>Needs more buttons
Please no.
>AST
Hell no, they didn't know what to do with it since its release. SB AST worked out but it still wasn't good design. Each iteration is worse than the last somehow, so I have jumped ship to SGE after maining AST since 3.0.
>SMN
rework whiplash, can't wait to see how they overtune things again next expansion
>they overtune things again next expansion
They will not. Every time the morons say jobs are just "Frameworks for improvements" I'd like to point them to MCH and their ONE NEW BUTTON in EW. And its not even a good button
How does it feel, watching the developers strap your class to a surgical table and just chop off all its limbs until it's unrecognizable?
SMN is the 41% job confirmed
Feels like the chemo I've needed for years.
I consider myself a BLU main and that's just about dead content, and I play DRK when I need to be above level 70 and that is only slightly better off
Life is worth living anon.
>Feast and BLU Chad
Not gonna lie, I 'mirin.
>BLU Chad
Go back to your cucking shed BLU fart, its not 6.45 yet.
Well, they might have something big in store for BLU at the end of 6.X since YoshiP said in an interview that they were experimenting with BLU PvP
>WAR
Yes, if they make it even stupider somehow then I'll like it even more. I like playing classes where I don't have to think as much.
>MCH
idk is there anything to even be satisfied about? It's still Chainsaw Drill 1 2 Air Anchor 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 for a meager DPS. Maybe the Sniper from PvP will become a real spell in the expansion but we'll probably get something like a Flamethrower upgrade and I'm (not) looking forward to it
I don't have a main job. I did main SAM and no, I don't necessarily like the way it plays now. I don't think the class is worse, per se, I just miss BIG DICK MIDARES. Red Mage, Paladin and Sage are the ones I play the most now and I enjoy all 3 a lot. Can't complain. Paladin especially is everything I ever wanted.
no and no
Jobs have gone downhill since Stormblood.
>DRK
no
>SMN
no
>Do you trust the current job dev team to make changes to the game?
no
I unsubbed shortly after finishing the story
>GNB
Yes.
>still no tank stance viera posted
/v sucks.
>Samurai
lol, lmfao even, etc.
They need to completely rework dragoon into playing around a pet wyvern.
Don't reply to me with your ugly ass deviant art homestuck creations you furgay piece of trash.
Based XI player
do you play too?
tl;dr, plus don't care what trans scum thinks. *spits in your face*
>do you play too?
I stopped at Urgan expansion
*can't cast 99% of that or else i'll rip aggro*
>BLM so strong it will RIP aggro just by existing
based beyond belief
and yes, once upon a time you also had aggro management in XIV, they took that away too
>and yes, once upon a time you also had aggro management in XIV, they took that away too
yeah i fricking hated that, clogged up half a hotbar for ninja and all it amounted to was casting diversion on cooldown so the tank never had to go into tank stance
>aggro management is... le BAD
you're the reason every system in game is being dumped down to shit. Aggro should be everyone's responsibility, now its barely a mechanic.
>Aggro should be everyone's responsibility,
lol no this isn't FFXI and a mandatory role action kept on cooldown is completely worthless, you may as well mumble about casting protect at the start of dungeons being a deep and intuitive feature cruelly snatched away from us
if you're a tank nothing changed on your end, if you're a dps you have one less cooldown to worry about
it was "barely" a mechanic to begin with in this game.
I have these at 99, btw I agree with anyone who says 75 should have been the cap and no more expansions after the 1st 3.
>dragoon
>samurai
>dark knight
>warrior
>ninja
>black mage
I have blue mage, rune fencer and monk pretty high too.
Game's story and literally all lore surrounding Dragoon is completely incompatible with this idea until long after you've gotten the job. Think of something else that wasn't responsible for Dragoon being a running gag in XI by being on a two-hour timer.
I play reaper and did so through all of the current raid tier. I really enjoy it. I'm looking forward to what comes next for it in 7.0.
>Black Mage
Frick yes I am, only thing I could really wish for would be that Aetherial Manipulation and Between the Lines actually had a flight effect and wouldn't get you fricking killed if you used it with a pit in-between. Also have a cooler animation, like a proper teleport.
I do trust them to make changes but I am probably not knowledgeable enough to speak on that with authority.
I only resub when a new expansion comes out since i'm not moronic nor a gay
I want to impregnate a Lalafell
>join casual CC match
>everyone except me is using a mogstation set
>lose
coincidence?
I don't get people who say _4( Is a discount WAR, literally the only thing they have in common is "press this button to use your big attack thee times".PLD has that too on the Confrtuor button.
The only thing that's different is that one has a good invuln and a good short CD, and the other has good damage.
PLD plays completely differently since it has a dot to keep up and it can delay or quicken different parts of its combos. DRK and WAR just press 123 until 50 gauge, or hold off for a bit if buffs are coming
If you don't like it then quit.
this is such a weak response to criticism lmao.
No it's not, even YoshiP says people shouldn't play between content patches and they should do other things because he's honest and not pretending XIV is more than it is, a video game with updates. Meanwhile other developers do everything they can not to admit they're taking advantage of addicted mentally ill people with their GAAS game
How do you fricks make money in this game?
inb4 money doesn't matter, don't care I just want to be rich
Retainers are legal bots
Macro programs exist
If you can't figure it out you deserve to be poor
Learn to use the market. nobody is going to walk you through it, really.
I can give you a small piece of advice: People usually like the crafted primal gear and the demand is always there.
Out of all the times I've bought game time for it I've never managed to power through the ARR shit into thr actual story, theres way too much shit to dig into at this point. Oh well, frick me for not playing it since re-release I guess
The game is 95% single player story. Once you finish the story, there's no reason to stay subbed. Even Yoshi said this.
And even with that, the story isn't good enough to finish. The fans unironically claim "it gets good 300 hours in!"
If anything, that means the exact opposite, it's more than good enough to finish, but frick it's a b***h to start unless your standards for fun are hideously low
I played all the way up to Stormblood and I had the most fun in ARR (before the shitty filler). Precisely because the story wasn't taking itself seriously. It was just Mighty Morphan Magitek Rangers being cheesy and the scions being idiots. I also enjoyed it because of the novelty factor of exploring the world for the first time.
Once you get into Heavensward, they try to go full melodrama and serious. And it just becomes boring. But this is where people claim it "gets good." You also don't have the novelty factor of exploring. By then, you notice the MMO formula and you just keep repeating the same 4-5 MMO quests with different NPC triggers. And it doesn't help that most of Heavensward is in a fricking barren snowfield or similar looking floating continents.
My experience was the opposite because I feel only past ARR do the areas start being more fantastic and Final Fantasy-y rather than how mundane and uninteresting La Noscea, Thanalan and Black Shroud are to me. Coerthas was the only cool ARR area with cool quests to it, while at the same time Heavensward quite toned down the uncompromising fundamentalism of Ishgard and made the society as a whole far less approachable and less dogmatic than Coerthas painted it as, which made the story of the expansion a bit less interesting.
But I just couldn't for the life of me remember a single thing about what the story of the game was supposed to be before you fight Garuda.
Do you think Venat ever regrets her actions? Like when you meet her she says "nothing is impossible" but later she deems the ancient as incapable of beating of beating EndSinger,
I wish we had more time to talk to Hydaelyn and what she though about her actions
No because she's a shit shallow character
>loregay tries to derail the thread into headcanon shitflinging
frick. off.
frick off you. I rather have a lore thread then whatever this shit is.
People are literally discussing game mechanics and job design and you moronic shitter who only drools at the VN wants to derail into the trash that is loregayging.
Even posting porn is better than whatever moronic rhetoric you want to push. Go find a book club for your toilet paper story.
Made me reply, here's a lala
>Mods
It's shit!
I literally only post that cat to mock people with anyway. I don't even play a cat in the first place.
Funny how you homosexuals start crying about mods but keep talking about gameplay mods and coomer mods on NPC characters. Curious.
What are you talking about? I think anyone that uses the custom launcher should be permanently banned, I think anyone who uses the pinghack should be named and shamed, and then permanently banned. Coomer mods are less bad but still trash, they only exist thanks to the ethics department
>I think anyone who uses the pinghack should be named and shamed
>he wants shitters in his roulettes fricking up their rotations even more because their ping prevented them
yes, god forbid we get players that can perform their basic functions, truly awful people
I'm talking about how you're a psychopath, frick off.
Projecting because you have no retort
Do the non-double weaving rotation or play on an appropriate server and stop larping as JP or NA when you aren't.
Your posts make it obvious that you're mentally ill, sorry!
>literally posting a modded picture
have a nice day. And discussion gameplay on a fricking mmo hahahah
>do you think she regrets her action
idk, but at the very end she was really coping. She believed somehow you would beat Meteion without any proof, and somehow Emet would be there to clean up her mess.
Frick off Black person. I won. Your thread died.
troony game.
>tfw finally know sunk cost fallacy
>4k hours of doing various stuff (no rp)
>lose motivation after the shitshow that was endwalker
>early access servers were bogged to shit
>story is very mediocre
>jobs are still simple
>still get the urge to play it
Its been a month since I've played. I wanna go back to being a dumb sprout during 3.1 Heavensward.
>play WoW
>get knocked into eggs
>100s of whelps come out and start ravaging you as you fight for survival
>play FFXIV
>get knocked into barrier
>die
the moron thinks these are the same lmao.
You'll find FFXIV players don't really "get" environmental storytelling. It's why all of their raids are identical circular with flashing pink floyd lasers all over the place. It's not meant to be immersive, it's meant to be arcadey.
>this is what wow cucks actually believe
I mean, yeah. Teleporting to floating circular arenas isn't immersive, it's arcadey design. FFXIV is more of a collection of game modes than a cohesive RPG.
Congratulations on realizing there's two types of mechanics, instant death and failure punish, both games have both kinds and contrary to what the other anon is saying, no one commented that it isn't better for story telling just that it's irrelevant to gameplay
>No Eureka/Bozja huge zone for this relic
I HATE IT I HATE IT
ITS THE ONLY TIME THE GAME FEELS LIKE AN MMO WITH 70 PEOPLE RUNNING AROUND TRYING TO FIGURE SHIT OUT AND DYING EVERYWHERE
>people would rather do "kill ramuh 60 times" instead of Bozja
why tho
I swear to god if they frick up femhroths I'm going to throttle yoshida and all the other higher ups.
Relax friend. Bozja was released in 5.3.
Thats the only cope I have. I just worry they try to force their new criterion dungeon for relic instead of a big zone.
They haven't said they aren't doing one. Considering how all the previous expansions had this type of content, I would imagine they would have said something if they went against the norm.
I fear they decided not to do exploratory zone this xpac to do the deep dungeon
HW had PotD and Diadem
SB had HoH and Eureka
As for criterion, they have a bigger team so presumably they should be able to do more shit
I hope so. I just an hesitant to believe its coming when they have made no mention of it yet...
Look man, I also hope for new exploratory shit, but I don't trust them. Especially since they delayed patches to be 4 months
considering how bad all of the previous """"exploratory"""" content has been, i hope they direct those resources to something interesting instead.
>something interesting instead.
I thought Island Sanctuary would be interesting, but it seems to be the same "self-contained" shit exploratory content tends to be, and very likely what is going to be this expansion.
And you KNOW content for the Sanctuary is going to drip-fed exactly like bozja / eureka through the patch.
But they didnt say they are doing it either. Which considering how they like to market shit, its very like there WONT be exploratory content this expansion.
Especially since we're getting Criterion / Deep Dungeon
>dont enjoy game
>why should i play it?
because you are fricking moronic
>its another falseflag thread
Do you really need to make daily ffxiv threads
Do you really need to have a nice day? Answer is yes.
I wish pvp mch was pve mch
>sunders your dick
are they patching in anything cool tommorow
No, they are breaking everything with DC Travel. Buy anything you want from the MB NOW because its going to be fricked for a good while.
Why? Wouldn't prices go down if anything?
No. People from other DC will be able to buy from YOUR marketboard.
RP gays will buy cheap mats/glamour from raiding servers
DC travel. You'll be able to schmooze around on Aether, Primal and Crystal all at once, or both Light and Chaos if you're on EU.
>Frontlines
>homosexuals constantly throwing passive aggressive remarks at the team every single time
Imagine joining frontlines and getting mad that you're not winning. Its like playing mario party and expecting to win.
There are tangible rewards to go for, so no it's nothing like mario party. Also games are completely up to player skill, shitters (i.e you) like to pretend its not and it's just a game where you go around randomly killing shit, which is what the hivemind has collectively decided to make every PVP match. You want to know how this is true? Play PVP on JP DC. It is literally a different game.
Frontlines is literally who has the most summoners. I dont know how anyone can take it seriously
Frontline balance dont matter. You cannot coordinate 24 morons and its a cointoss to see which team has the best zerg mentality.
Makes me wonder how they changed Rival Wings.
>how they changed Rival Wings.
>changed Rival Wings.
>changed
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>Rival Wings still has its "Dude what if a single healer could outheal an entire party" balance
Kill me.
Its not going to be like that anymore considering healing is severely nerfed in CC
But its still the same morons dont know how to pilot mechs.
Please I need them to add a system that lets me stop the morons on my team from stealing oppressors and using their rockets to fight people and not towers
The bulk of it on the jobs' end is already done since skill changes mention whether it affects somebody in a mech or not, the actual core mechanics they've probably not changed too much. Hopefully they add a daily roulette to it or something so that people ACTUALLY PLAY IT
They haven't changed shit about it, at best they have "balanced" the jobs a bit better (or separated the two modes into two different branches of the same job actions to make balancing easier for them) so that there isn't another SMN situation in there like there currently is in frontlines
BROS
WHAT DO YOU THINK THE MANDERVILLE WEAPONS ARE GONNA LOOK LIKE
SHADOWBRINGERS HAD A FRICKING LOT OF GOOD ONES
I just hope they're not joke weapons because of 'hehe Hildibrand xd'
Godbrand is apparently helping with them, hopefully we get some good stuff since they're stressing you've got two of the most pre-eminent smiths in all of Eorzea working on it
>People who are like omg I hope WAR gets Julyan's frying pan xD
I want to murder
If they get it like the way post-ARR relics unlocks you a joke kettle quest that mite b cool
I hope they are joke weapons. Excalipoor, Mop, hell they should even have a knockoff of the AfroJack Greatsword from 15 because noway in hell are they gonna reup the license
They are cool? Yes they are
Are they cool as a relic weapon? Frick no
>Excalipoor
>Chicken Knife
>Cursed Axe
Can't think of any others, but I'm sure they're there.
Nail Bat for GNB.
>Nail Bat for GNB
I honestly want a joke tier, give me my balloon animal sword and shield.
Name a single subscription game in history that didn't get worse over time.
PvE would be 100% more enjoyable if BRD and MCH had the same mechanics of "casting while walking" in their kit from PvP.
A lot of jobs would be more fun if they were closer to their PvP versions. Every single healer is way interesting in PvP than PvE despite having a fraction of the skills.
Its very funny to see MCH and BRD get casting times while walking in PvP when they took that off because of HW.
I guess technology simply wasnt there yet;
I agree. Its the perfect mix of insta-cast and the regular cast of HW ranged.
I should probably ask in the FF14 general but how hard/easy is it to level different jobs while going through MSQ?
I started as a lancer/dragoon and i'm about to hit 50 but it's boring as frick so far so i'm going to swap to samurai. I'm also really interested in playing dark knight but i don't want to tank dungeons/raids with other players before i'm comfortable so i want to go through them as dps first.
How fricked would i be if i wanted to swap to dark knight later by the time i hit shadowbringers or something?
You can level 2 or 3 jobs through MSQ. When EW released I had both SAM and MNK to 90 on MSQ alone.
Pretty easy since the WoWfugee waves made DPS queues pretty good unless you're playing at dead hours (2-9 AM EST). You'll just be running a lot of dungeons or a lot of Palace of the Dead.
Going feet-first into dungeons with tanks is pretty good for getting your bearings, start low at Sastasha and work your way up.
Peak mental illness thread.
How has this typo flavor text been in the game for over 2 years without being fixed?
The Source is the name of the lake in Lakeland you fricking moron.
If you tell Lyna at the start of Shadowbringers that you hail from the Source she thinks you're saying you walked out of the fricking lake.
post more FFXIV pumps please
beautiful.
Unsub. I tried playing for a few months long before the free trial meme and despite all the praise I kept hearing, it really is just another MMO
I just finished MSQ and got a fantasia
I'm inclined to troon out because males fashion suck
I don't want to be a Village People bandmember or emo twink
Beast races also don't interest me
just do what i did
>realize there's an endless supply of cute lalafell boys on pixiv
>lose all interest in the game
Lalafells look stupid
Dumb potatoes with legs. Always cringe when I see one.
yeah, that's what i'm into
maybe you should go back to WoW
Pick a Highlander and get a hairstyle with hair that sweeps across or covers the forehead so you don't have to think too hard about the lack of eyebrows.
Play the true KINO Final Fantasy 12 modded
Imagine paying for a troony wonderland.
Bros how did we never notice?!
>Play BLM
>Enemy team pressures me as hard as possible all game
>Still win with highest damage and 7 kills
Damn. I haven't played CC since it came out. Those buffs are really something.
Teleport was never EVER meant to have Swiftcast in it.
With Night Wing, you have a 30sec SAM LB FOR FREE. They are moronic.
What games are you playing tomorrow seeing ffxiv will be down for 24 hours?
I was thinking of trying out emulating Lost Odyssey.
either re5 or crash 4.
I'm gonna check out /vst/ and pick something interesting from the catalog. Going Medieval looks interesting enough for a day of playtime at least.
Also YoshiP give me back my day of playtime you fricking thief, I paid for 30 days not 29.
E.Y.E Divine Cybermancy and Dragons Dogma
PVP was better back when we had access to all the job skills instead of just PVP skills.
>brds dot entire teams and kill everything in a million mile radius
no
I wonder what kind of frickery PvP would be if the jobs had the PvE kits.
DRG would be in the fricking trash and healers would be broken as frick.
We had that and it sucked, yeah.
Fun.
Back in the day there were no PvP actions and your gear mattered to PvP which had a different BiS than PvE
>gear matters in pvp
SOVL
After eight years of WoW: No, SOVLLESS
filtered.
It was horrible
>the cool animal themed pvp gear still hasn't been updated to support jobs made after HW
How hard is it for them to just pallete swap shit? They do it all the time for actual gear.
>implying they give a shit about pvp glamour gear
the fact you need to REBUY garo gear for GNB and RPR is beyond reasoning
>got the DRG set back when the Garo event first came out so I could use it with the future job that shares gear with DRG
It hurt.
bros rate my femra I spent 10 minutes making
You used a blue skintone which puts you one tier above the average femras, and no heterochromia. 5/10. 6/10 if you're not min height.
>not min height
Femogre hands typed this post
t. min height femra No.35271
What's the most common skin tone for femra?
95% of femras are pale-mild white skin. The rarity of it goes;
Light Natural<Light Blue<Dark Natural<Red<Dark Blue
I must be the rarest type
purple is for MtF trannies
you'd know eh
Green is the rarest by a lot.
You'd imagine there to be more blue ones because Sadu
She's pretty far in the story. By that point you're either already attached to your character or are a terminal fanta addict.
Dark blueberry is the best, and what I made my lizard.
You shouldn't. Resub for expansions or big patches. thats it. Theres nothing in the game worth working for in between those things. Nothing lasts, everything is outclassed and outdated in 2 patches time. just unsub.
and no, not all mmos are like that.
pvp is pretty fun. The only (bigger) mmo that doesn't really use a gear treadmill iirc is Runescape 3/OSRS
Post PvP tierlist
I still need my Series armor
Black Mage is extremely powerful
Summoner can wall off entire areas
Red Mage is extremely powerful but requires stance changes to make the most of it
White Mage is very simple to use, has one of the more powerful LBs and one of the shortest LB waiting times
Scholar can do a deceptive amount of damage and cripple the enemy team without them even really noticing
Paladin can stall matches entirely on its own with smart ability and LB use
Warrior is easily up with DPS jobs for actual damage capabilities and better than Gunbreaker and Dark Knight for survivability
Monk is an excellent duelist and its LB can ignore Guard
Ninja can turn matches easily with one-by-one LB chains and can hold its own in a fight
There is no tier list because your team's competency matters far, far more than your actual job and you WILL NOT solo carry a match. People that think any job can solo carry a match aren't doing so much better than the rest of their team that they think they are, the only job that can approach a solo carry is Paladin and that's only with LB
AST is better than WHM. Way better healing and utility, and Gravity is basically WHM LB lite as a normal ability and gets way more value across a full round.
>AST is better than WHM
I don't think AST is as bad as people make it out to be, but it doesn't have shit on WHM bro. WHM is the assist train king of the healers.
SMN's wind wall is a fricking joke unless you're in frontline and fifty SMN's drop their aoe in the same area.
Bahamut's still strong in CC
Why does EVERY girl who plays this game already have a boyfriend? Where are the single girls?
>Where are the single girls?
cooming to their malezen or aymeric.
If you find one that isn't dating theres like a 90% chance she isn't worth dating.
>Trying to pick up girls in an MMO
Even if you do find a boyfriend-free girl there's a 95% chance she'll be surrounded by orbiters with the same idea as you. Have fun.
That's how I met my current gf. Remember they're orbiters and not partners for a reason.
It's really obvious if a girl is fancying one of her friends so you don't waste your time on her.
fun fact moron, woman dont play games
and when they do, its because men force them to
Single girls don't exist, moron. They all share the same boyfriends and have no problem with polygamy.
>SMN behaves like a summoner usually does in the franchise now
>first time WE ACTUALLY SUMMON THINGS!!1111 has been true
>Ganker hates it
It's flashy but fricking boring as hell to play.
>job is pressing 3 buttons over and over again
sir your melee dps
I do it all the time and I love every second of it.
Its as if fireworks alone wont carry shit job design
I hope you're not implying the previous Summoner was a well-designed job.
It was not. It was still better than this mangled corpse of a job. You at least needed 2 braincells to know your carbuncle position to cast Egi-Assault and positioning to cast 6 Ruins during Bahamut phase.
And I hated every second of that, I don't think complexity is a replacement for quality. I would much rather play the current iteration of Summoner and the AI for Bahamut/Phoenix was indefensible.
It is very typical of them to just scratch the whole shit than to fix it. All they had to do was fix the pet jank and give it proper action queue
The biggest nerf to SMN is that it inflicts Sleep on the player when playing it.
If I can have bad+complex or bad+braindead I take complex.
I'd rather not put in more work for the same amount of non-fun.
Define what makes old SMN bad and contrast it with what makes new SMN good. Be as clear as you can.
>what makes old SMN bad
dots suck
>what makes new SMN good
flashy summons, no enkindle except for bahamut/phoenix
>dots suck
Why were you playing SMN in the first place? It's like playing BLM and hating cast times and timers. You don't need to like job, in fact most people shouldn't like every job because that would make them fricking boring.
i had a mild expectation i would summon things, guess what didn't happen for forty levels
this is the job that's struggled the hardest with its class fantasy over the years right alongside dark knight
You summon a carbuncle right away. You disliking HOW it was implemented is irrelevant. SMN was FFXIVs dots, you dislike dots but picked it, levelled it for forty levels, realised it wasn't going to be a cutscene generator, and then uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh
you summon a carbuncle right away and it is a glorified dot
>how you like it isn't relevant!!!
then why'd you ask why i thought old smn was bad, fatty
He probably thought a summoner would work like every other FF summoner instead of being a clunky warlock clone
>dots suck
Sick of this fricking meme. First, most jobs in 14 have or had a DoT. All healers Bard, Monk, Gunbreaker, all that shit. DoTs is not a valid criticism of SMN. Second, even if it were, just flip the DoT to front load the damage and make it a cool down or something but keep the idea of actually having a rotation that takes two brain cells rubbed together, the current fisher price version is not worth "no DoTs" and frick you for implying it is. Also, frick your flashy summons, made me turn off party battle effects for the first time in a decade because of Titans wet farts.
"DoTs is not a valid criticism of SMN" is a very strange line when it was repeatedly cited as a point of job-satisfaction by the developers and ultimately nixed. Its current design is in and of itself a criticism of SMN. Trying to neuter an argument that you know full well is WHY SMN is the way it is now is pointless.
>just flip the DoT to front load the damage
In your very next line you acknowledge DoTs are the reason and suggesttttttt normal casted spells as an alternative. You've arrived at the same conclusion the developers did.
>and make it a cool down or something
Ruin IV, also a conclusion the developers came to, tied to a cooldown ability (Energy Drain/Siphon).
>but keep the idea of actually having a rotation that takes two brain cells rubbed together,
That's the thing, too, SMN's current incarnation is basically the same shit but with no DoTs. Enkindle was changed to always activate on an egi's summoning, you have reasons to summon more than one egi, and the egi casts like Crimson Cyclone were off-loaded onto You, The Summoner, in addition to their cooldown being tied to the egi's summoning.
>the current fisher price version is not worth "no DoTs" and frick you for implying it is.
The current Fisher-Price version is almost exactly the same thing. DoTs make for a shitty lynchpin to the whole design.
>Also, frick your flashy summons, made me turn off party battle effects for the first time in a decade because of Titans wet farts.
Some of the summon effects were overzealous, I agree.
>In your very next line you acknowledge DoTs are the reason
No, I am fine with DoTs, I am only saying that the removal of DoTs doesn't need to mean just overall removal of everything down to the most bare bones of a job. Ruin IV already existed and was a resource to manage one cast every great while is not adding anything or supplementing what was taken. I also don't believe for a moment it's "basically the same thing" and the evidence is in both the number of people vocally dissatisfied and the fact that a one button rotation macro only came to be after the rework
>overall removal of everything down to the most bare bones of a job.
This, though, this is the problem. This was everybody's problem. DoTs are bones made of foam and their removal didn't impact most of the job's flow. It functions essentially the same as it did before, but without DoTs.
>the number of people vocally dissatisfied
There were plenty of people also dissatisfied by the old design who apparently edged out, since we have what we have now.
>the fact that a one button rotation macro only came to be after the rework
Considering what changed from SMN and the plugin's development date, I imagine if SMN hadn't changed much it still would have had one. It was not much more complex than it is now, the vast majority of its complexity was in managing pet jank.
>functions essentially the same as it did before
It functions similarly but it plays differently. It is simply unsatisfying to push buttons on. The old SMN rotation wasn't exactly high art, but when your little keyboard piano song gets dropped down to "hot cross buns" you just don't get the same experience
>plugin's development date
It's not a plugin. It is the native macro system. You can 1 button SMN on a PS4
As in this
webm? That doesn't look like the in-game macros to me.
It is https://youtu.be/h1Jl-_9e-xE
It's fricking harder to set this up than it is to play SMN.
you literally just copy paste from this pastebin
https://pastebin.com/aG4b7HTv
its not hard
Yes, that was the joke.
you can't make a singular macro that big
show us the macro
see
moron
>Sick of this fricking meme. First, most jobs in 14 have or had a DoT
That doesn't excuse dots from being hardcoded to be dogshit
>passive small numbers you can't see, zero juice to them
>awful 3 second server tick system where you randomly lose ticks
>snapshotting buffs
>overwriting timers
Yeah I hate that SCH lost multiple offensive dots on different timers, a unique spell that spreads dots, and aoe dots, and gained nothing to replace them. I still think DoTs are shit. Please remove the garbage 30s dots from healers
>Also, frick your flashy summons, made me turn off party battle effects for the first time in a decade because of Titans wet farts.
Jesus Christ, yes. I've had all party effects on since ARR, but switched them off just from the extra sparkles this expansion added, with SMNs especially. Doing P2 for the first time with SMNs in the party meant the bird's tells (fiery orbs) were difficult to discern from the fiery orbs of the Ifrits. I'm glad as frick that my current static doesn't have a SMN.
>job is boring braindead shit
>people hate it
wow shocking
I've always thought SMN was fricking monstrously boring when it was DoT oriented so we're at an impasse.
>tfw used my MSQ Fantasia to swap from Dunesfolk to Plainsfolk
Feels like a bit of a waste but having experienced more of the MSQ, I'd rather not be associated with Lolorito and Telephone Adelephone
Plainsfolk are hobbits who enjoy easy livin', good choice
Funny I did the same.
that's great but I didn't ask
i wish a bunnygirl would suck my dick
SEAmonkeys are the fricking worst.
I demand more circle-rimmed glasses be added to the game.
Ivalician Astrologer's Glasses are a good pair, otherwise you've got a couple pince-nez options
>Ivalician Astrologer's Glasses
Those are tiny and ugly
just like ur dick
I fricking wish the pince-nez were dyeable
HOW DO I GET AN AURA OR CAT GF I AM NO LONGER ASKING ONE OF YOU BE MY AURA OR CAT GF NOW OR ELSE
sure but i'm a face 4 au ra and i'm not a troony
okay, post contact info
Asmongold stopped playing so by my calculations at this time next year they'll have lost 41.88% of their current subs.
Shut the frick up, Barry.
>Why the frick should I stay subbed?
erping
Help I can't stop installing coom mods
How do I fix myself
just coom really hard and it'll go away, for a while
bawd
>default size
Frick you bigger does not mean better
>t. coping pedophile
eve default is just nasty, way too saggy for such small breasts
All the gen3 bodies fricking suck
they have decent addons, like venus
God I want to fricking murder these two and I am always going to want to fricking murder these two
cringe, stfu and kys *spits in your face*
*reveals_hologram*
*teleports and impregnates u from behind*
Heh, loser
*was wearing my diaper so you accidentally had sex with poop*
🙂
What do you think of players who try and recreate npc characters and use their names?
All the instances I have bumped into have been cute, but I can easily see how it can be annoying with the wrong player at the helm
I'm neutral on it but mogstation buyers disgust me. I'd respect poorly put together cosplays more than someone who bought a paypig glamour
sorry buddy legacy warrior set, dragon kabuto and gosetsu set ain't gonna buy themselves
>* Maintenance for Patch 6.18 is expected to last 24 hours
>this thread
>more and more people are finally waking up and start to realize how dogshit this dumpster fire has become
You love to see it.
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