Okay but first you need to detach your lips from Tabata's shriveled ballsack.
You remember Tabata right? He's the washed up hack that got fired and is now making metaverse mobile trash kek.
Gun to my head and if i had to choose between two homosexual japs, Tabata's better. Also you didn't deny that you slurp on Yoshi P's balls either:
Okay but first you need to detach your lips from Tabata's shriveled ballsack.
You remember Tabata right? He's the washed up hack that got fired and is now making metaverse mobile trash kek.
Gun to my head and if i had to choose between two homosexual japs, Tabata's better. Also you didn't deny that you slurp on Yoshi P's balls either:
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These two fricking responses are why I know you fricking dickheads aren't doing this with any actual real passion, it's all just shit posting and the rush of sending vitriol to other random frickers on the internet.
If you idiots knew anything about games you'd know how many fricking BLUNDERS Tabata is involved with.
They literally poached one of Capcoms LEAD BATTLE DESIGNERS, because Tabata fricked the combat of XV so hard even Nomura complained. Square literally let the MMO PEOPLE. THE SAME ONES WHO SAVED XIV FROM UTTER OBLIVION TO RESUSCITATE THE FF BRAND AND IT ACTUALLY WORKED.
YOSHI P IS 2 FOR 2 ON SAVING SQUARE. GET FRICKING REKT BARRY.
Don't forget Tabata demoted Tokyo Team veterans in favor of literal who's and pushed for open world in spite of the team's "fierce opposition", even if it meant cutting out half the game and half its plot.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Reading this still pisses me the frick off even after all these years.
He fricking ruined a real piece of my childhood with his shortsighted corpo-prostituteism. That versus xiii trailer is forever tainted because of him.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Define 'Tokyo Team'
11 months ago
Anonymous
Nomura's OG team, KH2FM devs, who worked under him until Versus before they got split up and the project bastardized.
11 months ago
Anonymous
To add to what you said, fun fact:
The game mentioned by
the combat is really good, best battle system since this game.
? A Tokyo Team dev made the battle system for that game too. And a separate one did the same for 16 under the DMC guy along with 2 14 battle devs.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>What will become of the Tokyo Team? >Pic related. Theorygayging assumes all of them have been pulled away from other projects to work on either 7 Rebirth, KH4, or (now confirmed) FF16.
>But not-Tokyo Team anon's understanding is that the battle system devlopers went to 13 and the level designers went to 14. TTA-san also added: >Many Versus devs were asked to work on 13, 14 1.0, and then The Last Remnant around that time. Several Versus assistant directors were even working on Crystal Tools. >UPDATE: Versus 13 VFX director Shuichi Sato is also VFX director on 16.
>Masato Yagi of The Last Remnant said that after TLR got released, he was assigned to the Tokyo Team on Versus afterward. He likely worked on the 2011 build, which only happened because staff was freed up after 13, 14 1.0 and TLR got released in late 2009.
>There was a much larger collection of developers from KH2 being sorted into CBU1 or 3. I think this is more relevant since it addresses where the big names went like Kanemori, or Abe or Kujiraoka. Even Jun Akiyama. I didn't know an FF12 dev was a Tokyo Team member until TTA-san said all this. >UPDATE: Takeo Kujiraoka was sorted into CBU3 along with other many KH2 devs and even KH2 devs that worked on FF15.
>Tokyo Team anon also missed that Mitsunori Takahashi has also been absent from Nomura projects since he was credited on patents for 7R's battle system. But there is an equal chance he might be working on Rebirth and not 16.
>For more clues, look at the links between The Last Remnant/7R and KH1/KH2, the 13 games/7R and KH1/KH2, FF14 from 1.0/7R and after to KH1/KH2, Days/coded and NEO/7R, FF11 and KH2/7R, and even FF12 and KH1/7R.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>What will become of the Tokyo Team? (Part 2) >A short list of KH battle team members Yoshi-P could be taking from/Nomura could be holding on to for 7R and KH4:
>Tokyo Team: >Yuichi Kanemori >KH1, KH2, 13, Versus 13, 15 Duscae, Pokemon Masters (but he left) >Mitsunori Takahashi >KH1, KH2, Dissidia, 012, Rampage Land Rankers, 7R but didn't stay all the way, could go either to Rebirth or KH4 >Yuji Abe >KH2, 13, 13-2, 13-3, Flame x Blaze, creative supervisor KH3, probably KH4 >Takeo Kujiraoka >KH2, Dissidia, 012, 13, 13-2, 13-3, NT, CONFIRMED FF16 >Daisuke Sase >KH2, 11 ToAU, 11 WotG, 14 1.0 (!), 14 2.0 (!), 14 3.0 (!), 14 4.0 (!), Konami PES (but he might be back) >Masanori Sato >KH2, Versus 13, 15, KH3, replaced Mitsunori Takahashi for battle system design on 7R, probably Rebirth >Junichi Oka >KH2, The Last Remnant (!), Versus 13, Vanquish, Metal Gear Rising, The Wonderful 101, Bayonetta 2, 15, KH3, 7R, probably Rebirth >Nobuyuki Matsuoka >KH2, 11 WotU (!), 13, 13-2, 13-3, Mobius, 7R, 7 The First Soldier (which flopped), probably Rebirth
>Other: >Kyohei Suzuki >KH Days, Re:coded, FF All the Bravest, KH3, 7R, NEO, probably KH4 due to one other NEO creative working on it
>Osaka Team: >Tomokazu Shibata >T3B, Type-0, DDD, 2.8, 3, 3 ReMIND, CONFIRMED FF16, very likely KH4 >Tai Yasue >Vagrant Story (!), all Osaka Team games, confirmed NOT working on FF16 but sent well wishes, probably KH4
>Who could be working on KH4 and 7 Rebirth?
>There are more people in pic, just not battle designers. Pay attention to the former Nomura people in CBU3
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. If they're not working on FF14, some were credited working on FF16.
Don't forget Tabata demoted Tokyo Team veterans in favor of literal who's and pushed for open world in spite of the team's "fierce opposition", even if it meant cutting out half the game and half its plot.
Reading this still pisses me the frick off even after all these years.
He fricking ruined a real piece of my childhood with his shortsighted corpo-prostituteism. That versus xiii trailer is forever tainted because of him.
It's really sad. People actually went on to say 15 was good because the combat was simple and the game was light on plot. I wonder how much of a success Versus under Nomura could have been but based on the reception people gave 15 until 2019 people really seemed to like what Tabata did.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>People actually went on to say 15 was good because the combat was simple
This pisses me off more than you can imagine. Do Zoomers really think KH combat is too much to get into?
The game that barely got marketing is selling less than zoomers first dating sim that gets spammed fricking everywhere with endless spinoffs and remakes
Shocker.
>Barely any marketing
This game has been spammed to death by streamers and journos for the last 2 weeks, I can't go 5 minutes without them screaming about it. I've never seen such blatantly paid interest in such a run of the mill game.
I like it a lot, stopped doing the story for a bit to work on S ranking the arcade mode levels. I don't really care about the debate on if it is or isn't a proper Final Fantasy, I am just having fun playing it.
My one complaint is getting the hitless medals. I hate that you have to replay the whole level every time to try it with level select. I might just wait until NG+ Final Fantasy mode where I can save right at the door of each boss.
Boss battles are incredible, and anytime I fight literally anything im having a blast but the levels have a bit to be desired for exploration. They looks pretty and have good music and are sized perfectly for what they are but all you get are crafting materials and occasionally an accessory. Many games are like that tho I understand
I feel like I'm going insane because post second timeskip the game seems to have loads of large maps, but nobody seems to be mentioning them? I have been playing like an autismo tho so maybe I am just very far ahead. But I am pretty happy with the maps and hunts/quests that fill them.
They're large maps, but they're extremely empty so why does it matter? Honestly they should have removed all the open-areas and focused more on stages (or nothing at all because that would cut down dev time).
As it is, these maps are emptier than Xenoblade 1's infamous Valak Mountains; which gets memed on. Sure they look pretty, but a stage could do the exact same thing.
We could have easily been playing this game 2 years earlier if they removed the shitty exploration and sidequests. In fact, the game would feel more consistent with it.
I think i'm moronic because I don't feel that way at all. The quests are rather sparse (maybe half a dozen per zone?) but the hunts are my favorite part in the later game. I love running around maps looking for then fighting optional bosses. I killed the first S rank earlier today.
The one point I might agree on is i wish exploration was rewarded better. it sucks to stumble in to a like six enemies and they're guarding wrrite and gil. Tho twice now I have stumbled on fairly powerful enemies that didn't seem to be tied to a quest or hunt and dropped crafting mats, which was cool.
Here's the thing...
There's nothing saying that Hunts couldn't be done in a stage selector. Hell, if they did that, we might've even gotten a dozen more because all the dev time spent on open areas could be reallocated.
I think it woulda made the world feel smaller, and looking for them itself is kind of fun. I don't really have a "counterpoint" tho because it's opinions. But I like it how it's done.
I will admit I wish they'd have done more tho. Or introduced them earlier. 20s Clive, in retrospect, is just an extended tutorial.
I like the game, but the graphics are PS3 tier. Sometimes PS2. You can tell its running on that awful ff14 engine. Can't hold 60 fps btw. Its upscaled 900p on a PS5 at 30 fps... It's blurry and aliased as well. It looks so bad. On top of this, the environments are hallways...
Best you've played in years? That's overselling it a bit. But outside of that, I totally agree.
It's got flaws but it's a really solid games. I guess it's just usualGanker shitposting making out like it's awful garbage. Story is serviceable, but it's got really good gameplay and genuine hype moments, haven't had those in years
>Story is serviceable
I have to disagree. It's actually good. Cid is basically professor x/MLK but in a fantasy world, he's trying to liberate the dominants from being slaves to kings. And clive is a victim of war-crazed maniacs and his psycho eugenicist mom. I can't think of a fantasy video game that has this compelling of a plot outside of Morrowind.
>Cid is basically professor x/MLK but in a fantasy world, he's trying to liberate the dominants from being slaves to kings
Hey Stellagay if you're reading this are you cooming at this game yet?
It's got flaws but it's a really solid games. I guess it's just usualGanker shitposting making out like it's awful garbage. Story is serviceable, but it's got really good gameplay and genuine hype moments, haven't had those in years
Ganker only likes games loaded with cash shops, season passes, and always online shit now a days. The golden years have fallen. They despise this game because it's an actual videogame and they can't spent 100 dollars on four outfits.
I am sad that the lack of outfits at all in the game means we wont be able to dress Clive up like a catboy. The way we could Lightning and Noctis. I'm only half joking too, the Miqote outfit is my main one in XV.
i don't understand why the game is so divisive, the gameplay is dogshit, the cutscenes are boring, the music is great and the boss fights are cool but lack substance due to the gameplay being so dull.
It's divisive because it's baby's first action game and yet people treat it as if it's somehow the best thing since DMC. And somehow God of War is more of an RPG than this game.
>Enemy is about to die >Counter their attack with RAGING FISTO >MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA their ass and knock them into next week >Raining down Megaflares across the battlefield
JRPG side quests usually tend to be chatter you have to read from random npc in random spots to give hints on where superbosses, items etc are. Chrono Trigger, FF6, FF7 come to mind with that.
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Anonymous
I really liked DQ3's mechanic where NPCs would tell you important hints, but if you thought a line of NPC dialogue might be important, you could choose to log it.
I feel so conflicted since at the begining the combat is really shallow but gets better later, but also we have this cool looking boss fights with a lot of QTE which disrupt my enjoyment of the fights. I like it but at the same time it does things whcih downgrades my enjoyment.
Taking bets on who the first DLC Eikon will be. And, potentially the same, which Eikon they'll use the FFXIV crossover as an excuse to introduce. (Like XV did with Garuda)
I think the first DLC will expand parts of the story with a new playable character. Like playing as Cid or Jill. >hey this reminds me of that time bahamut chased me out of the empire >hey cid, tell the fricking story
I'll be honest I didn't know XV even have cult followers until XVI came out. I thought most of the XV posters were just memes but no they're all over social media especially Twitter trying to derail XVI. Even the gay who run dedicated final fantasy channels is trying to shit XVI because his favorite FF was XV.
so I just got titan with 52% main game progress apparently according to gaystation. what am I in for? also why the frick did cid name his daughter mid?
>whistles for magic chocobo >runs at walking speed to quest marker >press l3 for animal vision >"Mhmm....giant slash marks all over the victim....a goblin, gotta be" >"Come on, Torgal" >follows tracks >guys in Goblin™ costumes appear >"OY BLOODY 'ELL FRICKING c**t SHIT FRICK c**t, IT'S A FRICKIN' BEARER IT IS! GET 'IM" >"Shit you stink" DUNDUNDUNDUNDUNDUNDUN *sets guys on fire and they stumble and recover immediately, does a cinematic kick and sends a guy flying" >"Mhmm....Footpads™ pretending to be Goblins™......better tell the Quinten about this" >"Come on, Torgal" >runs at walkign speed on road back to village >"OY BLOODY FRICK c**t BEARER, WOT ABOUT DA CONTRACT WESE PAIDS YA FOR YA BLOODY FRICKING c**t?" >"Just some bastards posing as Goblins™, here's proof shows flipper" >"OY BRANDED, HERE'S YA REWARD DA WHOLE VILLAGE CHIPPED IN" >Quest Completed >exp and ability points slowly increasing >10 Sharp Fang received
its so boring my god just people standing and droning on and on and on. dont get me wrong that sort of thing can be engaging, got did it well. but here it puts me to sleep.
people will praise the kino fights but i think asuras wrath did that sort of spectacle better much better directed. in here its way too many zoom ins and particle spam. can barely tell wtf is hapening a lot of the time.
>hey we need to pad out our game, what do we do? >how about put a bunch of optional shitty fetch quests in between each major story mission except the fetch quests sometimes have actual good rewards so the player will feel obligated to do all of them >also in terms of the mandatory main story, between each major story beat lets put a shitty filler quest where you have to do some menial task to get a special good boy badge from somebody. And we will repeat this between every major story mission.
>hey we need to pad out our game, what do we do? >how about put a bunch of optional shitty fetch quests in between each major story mission except the fetch quests sometimes have actual good rewards so the player will feel obligated to do all of them >also in terms of the mandatory main story, between each major story beat lets put a shitty filler quest where you have to do some menial task to get a special good boy badge from somebody. And we will repeat this between every major story mission.
>Zoomers complaining about things in jrpgs adults actually like.
I mean, if they think Versus sucks because it was too dark, politcal and edgy you shouldn't be surprised they love 15 because it was 'simple and clean' and comfy a.k.a. a watered down mess.
>Zoomers complaining about things in jrpgs adults actually like.
Yeah when I played FF4 I thought "you know what this is missing? Quests where some random person sends me off to kill 3 wasps, gather 3 herbs, or deliver a package.
I'm at like 76% completion and I'm already getting the post game depression. I don't want the game to end bros.. Also why the frick did the original leaker lie and say Clive was a perma virigin when I just finished watching him blow Jill's back out.
People were rightfully pissy about FF7r because what was announced was an actual remake of FF7. Instead we got just Midgar padded out the ass and then butchered with alternate timeline shit and hit or miss rearrangements of the original ost.
As someone who has the game and just beat Bahamut, I also think it's a bit mediocre. The eikon fights are cool but outside of those the game is kinda boring. All of the story dungeons are straight lines and the overworld zones don't have any interesting optional stuff aside from hunts. No optional dungeons or anything. Towns exist technically but are extremely dull and lack character.
It deliberately sets out to spite everything that made classic Final Fantasy games good. On top of being poorly written and poorly paced. The only people not noticing this are mmotrannies who aren't capable of noticing the game is about you taking the role of the devil and destroying the series' stand-in for the divine (the crystals). Then it goes full fedora by the end of it.
I like the game, but the graphics are PS3 tier. Sometimes PS2. You can tell its running on that awful ff14 engine. Can't hold 60 fps btw. Its upscaled 900p on a PS5 at 30 fps... It's blurry and aliased as well. It looks so bad. On top of this, the environments are hallways...
I like the game, but the graphics are PS3 tier. Sometimes PS2. You can tell its running on that awful ff14 engine. Can't hold 60 fps btw. Its upscaled 900p on a ps5 at 30 fps... It's blurry and aliased as well. It looks so bad. On top of this, the environments are hallways...
The story is not BAD, it's just poorly written and poorly paced.
It deliberately sets out to spite everything that made classic Final Fantasy games good. On top of being poorly written and poorly paced. The only people not noticing this are mmotrannies who aren't capable of noticing the game is about you taking the role of the devil and destroying the series' stand-in for the divine (the crystals). Then it goes full fedora by the end of it.
Jesus Christ Barry, give it a rest already, you moronic Curry Black person.
Take meds.
Barry won btw. As much as a mess the development of XV was, at least you had a somewhat compelling Christ allegory by the end of it. And it sold 10 million units, XVI will be lucky to break 2, as classic FF games having a good story about the good things in the universe that make life worth living is what made them universally appraised in the first place. The kind of subhuman who loves subversive stories isn't that common either, not common enough to carry this horrible game.
>XVI will be lucky to break 2
will it? what are the sales compared to XV in its first week? I bought a PS5 for this game. Mainly because the story looked interesting enough that I didn't want to be spoiled and I knew I'd buy a PS5 eventually for KH4 anyway.
>classic FF games having a good story about the good things in the universe that make life worth living is what made them universally appraised in the first place
FF doesn't need to be Ghibli. It can also be Nitroplus. We also deserve a CLAMP Final Fantasy
11 months ago
Anonymous
>We also deserve a CLAMP Final Fantasy
I mean this one already has gay prettyboys.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Anon by CLAMP I mean urban gays aka X. You know what I mean don't you?
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>fantasy based on reality
Yoshi-P needs to do something about this immediately
11 months ago
Anonymous
>X
I've never read, this is it good? I know Tokyo is in it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>We also deserve a CLAMP Final Fantasy
We were robbed.
11 months ago
Anonymous
No it needs to be ghibli otherwise its just not good.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Let me guess, you don't like 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 and most especially Versus 13 too?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>11
love it, whimsical as frick >12
hate it, ivaliceslop westaboo shit >13
beautiful game shit protag cool world visual design >14
it's ok but has gotten stale >15
boring as shit >versus xiii
could've been cool, will never know
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Versus 13
That's the opposite of whimsy. That's edgy. Like again a Nitroplus visual novel or late-90s CLAMP manga where every seme has to have their eye gouged out in a bloody mess for no reason, Ivalice slop political commentary and KH battles because Nomura says so. Not FF at all.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Have do you even have an opinion on Versus 13 when it's never going to be a thing?
11 months ago
Anonymous
We already know that Nomura was going to turn it into some dumb visual novel style story about what he called the ugly issues of reality, and to make matters worse he said no FF game covered that sort of social relevance. There was that one Eurogamer interview where he said he wanted it to be darker and felt it could be 'more realistic' no one gives a crap about his opinions on global politics and gory whatever.
The game literally starts with a fire bird fighting a fire demon after one dude saw Gandalf falling with the Balrog. Scene so good, they stole it twice
>its never brought up again
Except we consistently see the blight spread on maps, and see refugees move to new crystals as they cannot live without it because they aren't used to it. Its the whole reason Cid and Clive-Cid are going around killing mothercrystals, to stop the draining of aether and making people depend on themselves instead of crystals.
I think what he means is, the Blight conflict is never resolved in favor of killing Ultima. The ending scene leaves everything so ambiguously stated so you have to headcannon every major plot point the game had established, thus denying you from catharsis.
>XVI will be lucky to break 2
will it? what are the sales compared to XV in its first week? I bought a PS5 for this game. Mainly because the story looked interesting enough that I didn't want to be spoiled and I knew I'd buy a PS5 eventually for KH4 anyway.
I was doing a bit of an hyperbole, but realistically it will sell 1-3 first week out of the hype, depending on how much the install base eat it up. XV did 5 million first week and 7R 3.5 within the first three days. I think SE's silence is pretty telling, but regardless, since the story is not only bad, but also throws shit all over the series' legacy on purpose, I doubt it'll be able to be a good slow seller like say, NieR Automata was.
I mean, the whole mothercrystals being the energy source while also being the source of the blight, and leading to various wars over resources does sound as environmental as FFVII was
Magic sucking up the life essence of the land and making it completely barren and uninhabitable is not climate change.
11 months ago
Anonymous
But the world slowly getting uninhabitable, leading to refugee crises and resource wars is the kind of thing you'd expect out of a climate change allegory
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's half a climate change and half an Irak war allegory.
Have you played the game? The crystal/aether plot is literally Tales of Vesperia all over again which was another game that was heavily modelled after climate change shit in the back half of the game.
>no RPG elements
no thanks. If i Play an RPG i want to build my character, have lots of choices and freedom, and exploration. and everything is dialed to a minimum here. It's mostly an action game. This is fine in itself, but why slap "Final Fantasy" on it. A game series that was always mainly RPG
I was worried at the start but things looked up after Titan. And ended with a resounding bang at the end.
Story wise, it's not perfect. The dialogue really needed some editing, some weird parts were obvious to see just because the good parts are really good. But in terms of the overall spectacle, it ended spectacularly as a Final Fantasy should. Unironically the game needed maybe two more years to flesh out the world and improve on side quests, as well as do some more editing around the dialogue/cutscenes and it woulda been perfect. As of now, it's a solid 8/10 for me, way better than XV/XIII on launch.
No, this is probably what the MMO devs think good sidequest design is like. Supposedly the game was ready to launch half a year ago but they waited on due to PS5 scarcity.
>that sidequest where Clive acts as a wise mentor and teaches the kids how to put a scale back together >kids realize that he forgot to put a part in while clive walks away sagely
I love him so much bros
>in the dominion looking for goez >oh look a goods lift, clive goes up and jill just magically appears behind him
There was so many moments they could just have her interact with him to add to it but its weird how lazy some parts are
>jlll does nothing while ultima hovers over clive, a literal dying man has to stab it >while bahamut is being fought, jill and anabelle are just in the same room together offscreen, frozen in exactly the same place
I really did want to see what they were doing during the Bahamut fight
>while bahamut is being fought, jill and anabelle are just in the same room together offscreen, frozen in exactly the same place
Yeah, that's just lazy on the writer's part. Makes you wonder why they seemed so confident on the story this time around.
I wish Dion would have fricked joshua instead of some no name side character. My main deserves to dick down a proper lead character instead of a rando NPC. My rightful king.
>Joshua knows we're alive and just avoids Clive, letting him suffer in slavery thinking he killed his brother, then he just shows up every now and then only to leave again because reasons.
I fricking hated this shit so much.
The best part is that Joshua has an entire order of knights sworn to him, spread out across the continent, and he never bothers to try and rescue Clive or Jill. I'm pretty sure he always knew Clive was alive at least.
The dude has a fricking biographer chronicling his life story and he has a cohort of dudes researching Ultima, but he can't be bothered to track down Clive? Would it be that hard?
Its weird how some characters are half-baked, even though there are so many cutscenes. I haven't bothered to check out the ATL so maybe there's more explanation there, but for example, Sylvestre is a weird ass character
Clive's mom is delusional and loves Olivier, so it doesn't matter that he never talks and just plays with his toys. I don't really understand Sylvestre's character other than he's so religious that he's willing to overthrow his son because the astrologers who got bribed told him to. I'm pretty Anabella just convinced him that Olivier having phoenix and bahamut blood was better than Dion only having bahamut blood
The emperor needs more explaining. I can understand him turning on Dion because he's a bad father who cares more about his hot new wife and kid but why did he become an evil emperor too?
Cid himself said that things would get worse for bearers before they got better after destroying the crystals. He's doing it because he believes the crystals will destroy the world and kill everyone, including bearers
Cid has a speech about how you need to destroy the old world to make a new one, and no one will listen to words. So destroying the crystals will both stop the blight, but also allow a new world to be created
>So destroying the crystals will both stop the blight, but also allow a new world to be created
See there's still a missing step here. Why do they expect the new world will treat bearers any better?
Because they'll be the only source of magic now when handy pocket crystals are gone.
11 months ago
Anonymous
But Cid also said if anything they'd be bullied harder for being the only folks who can use magic
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah but the pragmatic element would likely win out in the end. If you live in a desert and you rely on your local bearer for water you might not treat them so poorly.
Ultima, Barnabas and Harbard make up a trinity of obnoxiously philosophical smugness, its unbearable. I am sick of hearing about consciousness and will
for me it ruined it by having the same effect that meteion had on CBU3's other game but at the same time im glad it stopped the relentless attempts at being philosophical and gave an antagonist that was more interesting than really angry guy, really angry guy 2, manipulative femoid and homosexual
The cooldowns are 10 seconds each or something close anon, you've got time then to reposition, get in some extra stagger with dodge counter magic, air juggle with Garuda....ah what am I saying you're not going to play the game.
>Garuda fight >Garuda somehow doesn't manage to push Clive off of the tiny platform even with all her wind powers >Clive wins first phase without even transforming
Somehow this game gives me such a silly ass vibe
Also the plot of Clive not knowing about his transformation is so silly and dragon ball like
the main problem with 16 is that it doesn't have any innovative spirit, it feels completely content just sitting in aggressively average blandness. Every FF game after 5 always had such unique worldbuilding that would always make me think "that's something I could only see in FF", but 16 feels identical to not only 14 to me but nearly every single japanese game that tries to do western fantasy.
Was FF ever this preachy? FF9 really hit you over its head with its messages and themes but they were very pleasant themes done well through its characters. I guess the closest would be 7 but that game's story is infinitely better.
They have no way of making you feel compelled about destroying the legacy of everything that made the series good so the game starts hitting you with lines and lines of pseud philosophy. Very Maehiro-like.
people who don't like ff7's story are probably brainlets. it's so clearly above the rest in the FF series to me, it's by far the most innovative, with the best protagonist, best setting, best character development, great drama. there's nothing "messy" about it
Why would a Japanese dev write their own script in English? No this has Koji all over it in a really bad way. Luckily I don't have to deal with that but god damn, I'm not joking. It's a complete rewrite.
This is one of the times where the western script is the leading one because yoship said on record that japanese team and koji fox were working together on it.
there's no such a thing as typical FF-ness outside of spectacle and being vaguely RPGs, these games never had all that much in common. spectacle is the real identity of FF
it all began in FF1 with those fantastic sprites and animations, it continued in FF4 with the theatrical drama inspired way of storytelling, FF6 and its amazing set pieces, FF7 with its grandiose plot, FF8 with its even to this day amazingly beautiful FMVs.
spectacle, drama, over the top effects. that and that only is FF. in this respect, FFXVI completely respects what FF is.
however what must also be said that FF hasn't been on the JRPG throne since FFX. and i think people still expect FF to be the non plus ultra for JRPGs, but it has only ever been that on the PS1 and maybe with FFX. before that it wasn't at the top, and after that it wasn't at the top either. spectacle is great, it makes a game very fun to play, but FF doesn't have it in itself to be both spectacular, high budget and high graphics and genuinely deep with an elaborate, soulful story. it doesn't since a long time now. and that's fine.
people think of FF having to be the Zelda of jrpgs, one genre defining masterpiece after another, but that's not what it is and hasn't been for most of its run. it's just a series of good/decent games that look really cool and have spectacular concepts in them. FFXVI lives up to that in a way FFXV really did not. 8/10 game and a return to form, but i do think the game is several steps behind Persona, Dragon Quest and Xenoblade in JRPG excellence
Final Fantasy is about how love is what holds existence together, and about how it traces back to the eternal, thus it gives people the ability to overcome the greatest of tragedies, and even death.
XVI purposefully does everything it can to destroy this because Yoshida is a hack who doesn't understand the core identity of FF, and believes it consists of le reddit references and callbacks to earlier entries.
>several steps behind persona, dragon quest and xenoblade >xenoblade series has sold less then 6 million combined >persona 5 just sold 9 million copies, and that is including royal too >dragon quest is a joke
okay anon.
Combat reminds me of GoW3, the last good GoW game. The Eikon fights are extremely fun and unlike anything. Plot is a bit weak though.
8/10 satisfied with my purchase?
mostly found it funny because of how well it lines up
like "oh it's Titan. and it's literally one of the Titans from AoT. From the design to the reveal to even the way they show off the scale. heh"
the real problem is they put a fricking jaded mmo director in charge of overseeing a singleplayer game. Yoshida has been exposed to the ultimate hive of degeneracy for 13 years straight and you really expect him to think to steer the game in any direction that isn't for literal mouthbreathers? he knows the modern normie audience because he's designed a fricking ratcage for them to basedface out at stilted cutscenes for 1000 hours.
he oversees the entirety of CBU3, which includes DQX, FF11, FF14, and FF16. He even outright said he specifically told the developers to tone down the difficulty, he also is the main person budgeting all 3 mmos and they all have to go through him (according to his We Are Vanadiel interview with mitsui).
he currently gives FFXI pennies, and matsui said that they have to schedule meetings with yoshida to allot a time period where someone from the XIV team can come work on XI and then it has to be approved by yoshida because he runs the studio with an iron fist. I don't even like XI but at that point that's just fricking cruel.
he currently gives FFXI pennies, and matsui said that they have to schedule meetings with yoshida to allot a time period where someone from the XIV team can come work on XI and then it has to be approved by yoshida because he runs the studio with an iron fist. I don't even like XI but at that point that's just fricking cruel.
Even so, the fact that 12 has been pumping out fulfilling content long after it completed all expansions with only scraps to fund it is insane. Maybe that's due to 11 being an MMO with depth as opposed to XIV which actively removes any semblance of depth and longevity so all it's budget goes to one and done spectacles that rarely pay off.
11 months ago
Anonymous
It also helps that FFXI is vastly cheaper to create content for and to maintain than FFXIV is.
All the new shit in FFXI over the past decade has mostly been reskins of existing content. RoV is the most effort they probably put in which actually has some new story sequences but I believe that's coming to an end soon (if it hasn't ended already).
11 months ago
Anonymous
I wouldn't know, I didn't play it much. But those interviews felt extremely disrespectful since yoshida never even played xi and mostly talked about himself. It gave the feeling he doesn't give a shit about games he isn't involved in, and feels like he has a stranglehold on the current life or death of xi
11 months ago
Anonymous
>But those interviews felt extremely disrespectful since yoshida never even played xi and mostly talked about himself.
What are you even talking about. It's well known amongst the FFXI community that without Yoshida backing the game, it would have been killed off long ago. The majority of teams at SE have vast amounts of respect for FFXI. >I wouldn't know, I didn't play it much
Clearly.
11 months ago
Anonymous
then why don't they try anything to help them be able to make new content? they can't budget a team to reverse engineer their tools so they can actually release new content and help bring people back to the game? all i see them add is 3 hours of vertical progression every 6 months which keeps pushing the game closer and closer to its death since they keep powercreeping content they add
11 months ago
Anonymous
Why do you care so much about a game you never played? If you had ineould understand your arguments from emotion
11 months ago
Anonymous
Because people in the game *I* like shit on xi for no good reason and constantly want it to shut down
11 months ago
Anonymous
Well they're homosexuals and their opinions don't count for anything
11 months ago
Anonymous
Because everyone knows FFXI wouldn't survive in the existing MMO market, it has nothing to do with a desire to fund the game. SE knows this and the playerbase knows this. It's like when people always talk about why doesn't SE make a FFXI classic server like WoW did. At most you'd get a few thousand people wanting to play it and then they'll fall off after realizing how time consuming those old MMOs used to be.
I mean hell, even look at Horizon recently that peaked around what, 4-5k players? And has dwindled down to around 1-2k players. That is no where near an incentive for a business to devote the effort and money required to reverse engineer their entire game.
FFXI has survived for the past decades off the people that continue to play it regardless of what they shit out which is why they just provide some new carrots on a stick every now and then. Even the Prime weapons are mostly just grinding and not all the difficult to obtain. >keeps pushing the game closer and closer to its death
This isn't a bad thing. Not every game needs to live on forever. I've been of the opinion that FFXI started dying when they released Abyssea years and years ago. FFXI has survived way past it should have had any right to and that's only because they were able to siphon devs off the success of FFXIV. But obviously it's pretty cyclical because I don't think FFXIV would be as successful as it is today without FFXI but I'm a bit biased as a huge FFXI fan.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>complaining about 14s lack of depth
Yawn, I've been hearing this bullshit for a decade or so now
>Frick those morons who told me to play it >play it
It's literally just a QTE movie game.
I really enjoyed Asura's Wrath and all I did was watch all the cutscenes on youtube.
The game was written in Japanese with Koji helping the writer.
Then for the dialogue in the game they wrote it in english first and match the lip sync to that. And then Japanese dialogue had to be fit in the english lip sync.
I like how much effort they put into categorising the lore and story for the game. The active lore book and old guy encyclopedia was nice but once the time skip happens and you unlock the current realm overviews, the detailed story breakdowns on the map where you can just refresh what happened between different story points, the character relations with each other during the story etc it makes actually trying to engage with the game a lot more enjoyable compared to some rpgs where you’re just given basic entries and expected to just remember and piece together all the motivations and elements without anything to recall back to.
Maybe if you want to find something specific since you could search for it. He also unlocks some entries whenever you get enough lore to level him up so you’ll want to visit him every once in a while to check but yeah aside from that Ninetales seems a lot more useful.
>respectful or at least in-line with classic FF designs across the board >Typhon is a generic ghostly half-body
Ok, so what was he originally supposed to be?
They really didn't give much thought, I know it's supposed to be a callback to XIV Titan but even through post-process filters you'd get pumped hearing Koji's synthesized voice with barely understandable lyrics. Dunno what happened here, definitely doesn't have the same energy despite that being the goal.
>Get Ramuh sword >It doesn't have any effect on Ramuh's abilities.
Seriously, was it really that hard to put the same kind of modifiers in the accesories to the weapons and gear? Even the 2 main weapon stats, damage and stagger, they don't do anything minimally interesting with them even tho you could have maybe a weapon that deals more stagger than damage for example, it's just wait for next weapon with bigher number, what is even the point of separating the 2 stats on the weapon if you aren't going to do anything with it? This is not an MMO, people won't chase the meta in fear of being outcast, this is a singleplayer game.
The RPG mechanics in this game do feel extremely tacked on.
I think they should've moved all the accessory move specific stats to weapons and made the weapon upgrade curve a lot more horizontal instead of straight vertical.
I really don't care about accessories that increase the damage of one move by 10% as it's pretty boring. Slap that on some weapons and let me tweak it for how I play. I should be able to fully customize my existing weapon with added "effects" based off the Eikons that I prefer using. I think it'd be really cool to spend these copious amounts of crafting mats the game throws at me at making specific builds like a sword that focuses on aerial combat, or focuses specifically on garuda abilities, etc.
Yeah. Imagine if each weapon/armor could have its damage upgraded and had a special effect like the legendary powers in Diablo 4 + a materia slot to add in the accessory effects.
Ramuh sword could have basic attacks apply the shotlock debuff. or perhaps change burning blade into an air juggling chain lightning.
The RPG mechanics in this game do feel extremely tacked on.
I think they should've moved all the accessory move specific stats to weapons and made the weapon upgrade curve a lot more horizontal instead of straight vertical.
I really don't care about accessories that increase the damage of one move by 10% as it's pretty boring. Slap that on some weapons and let me tweak it for how I play. I should be able to fully customize my existing weapon with added "effects" based off the Eikons that I prefer using. I think it'd be really cool to spend these copious amounts of crafting mats the game throws at me at making specific builds like a sword that focuses on aerial combat, or focuses specifically on garuda abilities, etc.
Take all the accessories that are plus 10% damage, -2 second CD etc and throw them into weapons. Just like 7R did. Its an extremely minor type of progress but its something, instead you have tons of useless ass accessories. Who the frick would notice a 2.7 cooldown reduction?
>Instead of having a billion weapons you just have Imperial Infantry Blade, Daddy's Sword, the Eikon weapons and Ultima Weapon >Accessory slots can then be used for Exp/Gil/AP Up, bonus healing and other useful utility shit >That way its not a game where only the accessory slots matter
I think FFX has the weapon system I'd like the most as you end up with more horizontal and situational sidegrades instead of simply being "DAMAGE NUMBER BIGGER +2"
It really feels weird having such an intricate combat system with no meaningful RPG mechanics built off of it. >no status effects >no elemental combos (such as igniting an enemy and using garuda to do bonus damage by fanning the flames) >no stats off the Eikons to vary the playstyles
I wish Eikons did more to curb the type of playstyle you prefer but I guess they expect you to be swapping them so often that it wouldn't really make sense? I dunno. I just felt they should've done something similar to summons in FF7R where they change your stats or something. Make having Titan out turn you more into a defensive / blocking type. Make having Garuda turn you more into an evasive / stagger type.
Ramuh and Shiva are the closest thing to status ailment types in this game.
Also, if all the Eikons just scaled off a specific stat, it would be a bit limiting in some regard. At best you'd have to scale some off strength and some off magic.
Does anyone use those 1500ish expensive ass moves on the skill tree? I assume their cooldown is like twice as long so it just seems pointless to invest in them. Those honestly should have been special limit break moves
I just got the Ramuh one and it does a shit ton of damage.
My go to for when I stagger something is always big ramuh move > ramuh move that is a copy of that one Dragon's Dogma move > fire wisp thing to trigger it a whole bunch > limit break
I do also use Lightning Rod and Wisps, but I use Ignition into the rod+dude so I just proc the rod a ton. Gouge was okay for it too but honestly Ignition is insane. Low cooldowns, vacuums enemies up too. You can even do it the other way an Ignition groups into the rod and wisp combo.
They’re nice for damage. Garuda one is kinda ass since it’s a pain to actually hit anything once it’s swirling around but Pheonix is good for mob clearing and you can get an accessory which reduces its CD which is nice.
>this game doesn't have enough blacks >this game doesn't have enough powerful women >the homosexuals in this game aren't gay enough
Lol what the frick is up with all the hitpieces....
Is it just me or is the romance between Clive and Jill easily the best we had in the longest time? Like when was the last time we got such a good couple that actually goes far?
Yes. It's very tender and sweet. They help each other overcome their own trauma. She is barely even leaving his side, when they are separated she's writing him letters like a gigantic awkward virgin she is. Among mainline FF it's second only to X, and unlike Xenoblade 3 it doesn't fumble with execution since Noah/Mio romance effectively stops in chapter 6.
>Writes planet cancer into story, never writes a solution and is left hanging. >Adds himself as a tragic character with a tomboy girlfriend, doesn't write himself fricking her >Grounds the story, but then adds insane elements like space battles and aliens >Introduces cast of villains and turns them into prostitutes, cucks and motherlusting alienfrickers for no reason >writes his own mommy issues into the book as villain and unceremoniously kills them
Was Joshua just an incredibly shitty writer and nobody cares because it's just a fairy tale
children's novel? Is Joshua the JK Rowling of his world?
Stagger system? Its cool I guess. I still think 13 did it the best but the idea is BIG NUMBERS and damage windows.
13 came up with it and we've had to suffer with it since
I wish we'd get an FF game with KH combat but oh well
KH will forever be too floaty. I do like the core design of LVL1 runs being possible and stuff having base damage. I still haven't gotten around to playing 3 but honestly I'd probably replay KH2FM since I haven't done it in like 10 years.
Is it me, or is the game just Tales of Arise again?
>Plot is about slavery and transitions to ayy lmao slavers >Most of the gameplay elements only work in trash fights and fall apart in bosses >The game takes place in mostly smaller zones or narrow corridors >Barely competent dungeons and side content
As much as I dislike XVI I'd have to disagree. The tales series overall writing is generally far, far worse between stuff like Tales of Graces and Tales of Arise. What they do better though is actually incorporating the party as part of the adventure which XVI does almost zero of.
Tales has or rather had better character writing compared to FF thanks to skits fleshing them out.
16's core plot is still better than Arise from what I've played so far although relegating the majority of the characterization and shit to sidequests that barely anyone wants to play was idiocy especially when you consider their choices for the plot relevant ones. Why the frick was the feeding the bearers in Oriflamme or the crystal smuggling thing a sidequest and they put the quest where you have to go find some girl's stalker a main one?
The majority of the mechanics also work on bosses unlike Arise where the combat practically shuts down and devolves into spam Alphen's break to keep them under control.
>Tales has or rather had better character writing compared to FF thanks to skits fleshing them out.
More writing doesn't always equal better writing. The general quality of writing in Tales games is pretty poor. It's very standard anime tropes like what you'd see out of all those 6/10 animes that come out every season. I say this as a Tales fan that generally enjoys the campiness of the games. I just wouldn't ever argue that the writing is all that good.
Notice that I said character writing and not overall writing. The characters are one of the few things that Tales of had over its counterparts because they put in the effort for the player to learn about them instead of just the MC and whoever it is that SE wanted to shill.
>Notice that I said character writing
I know you did and I still stand by my original point.
You have skits with overall more character interaction but that doesn't mean the quality of the writing is better. >because they put in the effort for the player to learn about them
Again, not always does more writing mean better writing. Take Arise for example. Outside of Alphen and Kisara, the other characters barely get expanded upon outside their tropes that they're based off of. Dohalim barely even feels like a character compared to them. Law and Shionne are briefly touched upon but it's mostly one or two cutscenes each depicting their backstory.
Skits are cute, sure, and they add character. But I wouldn't really call it really good writing compared to anything else.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Take Arise for example
You mean the Tales of game with one of the weakest casts in the franchise to the point that even people who don't like the series complain about the characters being weak even for Tales of standards?
>shills
Or just people who are tired of literally any big game getting doomposting about.
Not really.
The combat has depth and is fun but rest of the game feels shallow. Also, MMO errands are ass when it happens in the side quests, and it's triple ass when they force me to do them in the main story missions.
They really should have trimmed the fat from the main story missions.
I don't mind slowing the pacing down, like after a 30m Titan sequence, but atleast make the stuff you do interesting. The Mid stuff with her ship was such a slog.
Not really.
The combat has depth and is fun but rest of the game feels shallow. Also, MMO errands are ass when it happens in the side quests, and it's triple ass when they force me to do them in the main story missions.
They really should have trimmed the fat from the main story missions.
Yeah it is. Literally the best boss battle games we had in ages, I cannot recall a time when it was so good. Story is extremely enjoyable and a wild ride. Annabella is the GOAT.
Thinking back to the story I actually do think they were sexist making her. She doesn't help you with Titan, stands there doing nothing against Bahamut, doesn't defend you from the alien dude at Oriflamme etc.
Active time lore said the only reason Dion's dad is on the throne is because Dion was Bahamut. That guy was such an ungrateful dumbass.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I didn’t understand this. How did he make Olivier emperor if it’s not a hereditary position in the first place? If he abdicates why don’t the cardinals vote on who replaces him.
There’s a song about all his exploits on the battlefield. The scene at the dragoon camp opens with him being bandaged and his bf begging him only to use Bahamut as a last resort, the implication being that he’s suffering from the curse the same as Jill.
She had to use a lot of power on the entire drake breath journey, from creating mist for covering to stopping lava with her primed form to giving Clive enough power to break the crystal heart.
Dion barely morb before his boss battle at all. He was just used as a nuclear deterrent. Fully morbing comes with a great risk of getting petrified.
Dion has been fighting Waloed for years both as Bahamut and not, they were just too lazy to think of anything for Jill besides Clive needing a wife
11 months ago
Anonymous
The Empire was fighting Waloed for years.
Dion most of the time just stand there and stare at Barnas because them fighting almost always end up in a stalemate. The one time we saw them fight lasted like 10 seconds.
Oh noooooo she had to create mist....
Not everyone is Clive and can prime for 5 hours without dying. Titan tried that and turned into dried cum.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Dion stood there most of the time
Are you moronic, the game explicitly says otherwise.
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's cause titan turned into titan prime or whatever.
I've been using it, seems really good. Basically gives you a brief limit break after dodging. Don't think it's a full limit break as you don't get health back, but it makes your next combo stronger
Definitely better than random move does 8% more damage.
>Market the game as a le dark Game of Thrones knockoff >Go over the top on grimdark shit with almost zero levity >Fill the rest of the game with chuuni autistic nonsense that turns the game into Asura's Wrath for 30 minutes at a time
Yoshi-P is based, I wouldn't be surprised if half of this was stuff he's wanted to do but XIV's engine can't handle
I'm having a lot of fun doing the hunts. I like the combat system. There's enough here to satisfy me, and plenty of abilities I haven't tried yet. It feels like 14 in story and quest design but with actual fun gameplay.
I wonder why cbu3 hates rpg elements so much though.
i can explain as a long time xiv and xi player, and it's actually really simple and yoshida has said it multiple times, it's because it's too hard to balance. He does not think elemental resistances, debuffs, stats outside of damage defense and HP, and actual real choice add anything to RPGs. In XIV yoshida mains black mage, the class that offers nothing to a party except DPS, so that's all he personally cares about. He was also an autistic minmaxer in dark age of camelot and everquest, and a power gamer in ultima online.
no he's incredibly meticulous and a perfectionist and nearly works himself to death but he only fricking values vertical progression, and is terrified of moronic players making the "wrong" choices so he spends all of his direction efforts removing that possibility
Yeah he saved an mmo a few years ago, that's not impressive anymore, tired of everyone patting him on the back. Seems like this game didn't perform well either so he failed as a producer, which is insane because 14 has been getting even less content than usual
He was ironically too trusting.
From the interviews he seems to have a very laissez-faire way of managing the game and basically didn't interfere with the development at all.
Given that FFXVI is worst than every single FFXIV expansion he probably should have been more involved.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Unlike 14 it's actually fun to play, so it's better than anything in that game.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah gameplay(and visual obliviously) is better because anything is better than mmo gameplay but for the rest?
Worst story, worst characters,worst visual world design,worst RPG elements.
Even the pacing is similar when this should not be the case in a comparison between a solo game and an MMO.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Learn english
11 months ago
Anonymous
>worse than ARR
No.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I don't really count ARR as an expansion, but I guess it's technically one. I do think 16 is better than ARR.
i can explain as a long time xiv and xi player, and it's actually really simple and yoshida has said it multiple times, it's because it's too hard to balance. He does not think elemental resistances, debuffs, stats outside of damage defense and HP, and actual real choice add anything to RPGs. In XIV yoshida mains black mage, the class that offers nothing to a party except DPS, so that's all he personally cares about. He was also an autistic minmaxer in dark age of camelot and everquest, and a power gamer in ultima online.
To be fair, a lot of times elemental resistances are lazily implemented and all of the relevant endgame enemies are neutral or resist everything anyway.
I'd only really be interested in an elemental system in an ARPG if it made enemies react and vary themselves based on what element you tagged them with. Such as the pirates in KH2 for example.
The issue in FF16 is more that its a game that should be designed around horizontal progression and skill expression by having gear that available that benefits whatever arbitrary style that the player decides to do. For example, a build that's focused around Heatwave/Rook's Gambit/etc or a Titan focused loadout with more damage and reduced CDs, etc
Nah the Bahamut stuff is the peak, you just have to suffer through some Mid fetch quests to get there
Then he's lazy or incompetent
Nah I think he comes from an MMO perspective where if you do have these things, it changes who you bring or how you gear up. Okay this is an ice enemy, so if you don't have frost resistance the fight is near impossible. If you have it, the fight is trivial. How is this good design either way? Or the reverse, where enemies are weak to certain things so you fill out a party to capitalize on it and leave others to do nothing. I think X sorta solved this with instant swaps, the characters comes in still taking a full turn, and then you can design fights around everything.
Player characters just need their own weakness, then along comes Persona to do it.
I really wish more thought went into chest rewards. Clearing 10 enemies to get to a random chest that has 25 gil in it feels like absolute shit.
I think I'm about 20-30 hours in and I've probably only found 3 chests with actual equipment in them. The game really needs more exciting incentives for exploration.
Hunts are cool, but drip feeding them in feels bad. I would've loved to run across Atlas as an example the first time I went into that area and just have him push my shit in. Instead you have to wait for specific points in the story when they decide to just spawn them there.
I don't understand the complaints about side quests. People keep memeing that they're "MMO quests" but I can't recall a game with side quests that weren't. They're always low effort fetch quests and I don't really care about that. What I do enjoy is they add a lot of character to some of the side characters like hearing about Otto's past with Cid. Also seeing evolution of characters through time skips has been pretty cool.
So is there really no reward for doing any of the Stage Replay / Arcade stuff? even if you get S rank on all of them? I assume there's a trophy or something.
But do you really not get any in-game rewards...?
The game didn't need elemental resistance; that shit is ass in any action game. Even Dragon's Dogma whole elemental resistance stuff ends up just becoming 'use holy'.
But the amount of content the actual gameplay portion of the game has is laughably bad.
I don't really want resistances. I just want interaction between Eikons.
Right now I feel the customization boils down to "do i want to focus AoE or stagger single target" and that's about it.
What I'd prefer is if I could do shit like make a tornado with Garuda and then swap to Phoenix and light it on fire
Elden Ring has elemental resistance and it's fine. It's not like I want some bosses to have full immunity to some element or anything but having more number and stats to min max with is good.
FRICK! when will we have another game like this but with good RPG complexity? FRICKING DAMN IT! I love FF16 but it still feel so much of a waste.
FF16 is DMC6. It's not a Souls game. You are wanting it to be smth it's not.
Elemental resistances fricking suck for character action games, just like color coded weapons for color coded enemies like DmC. It's amateur level game design for char action games, that's why good ones don't do it. Stop whining about the game not being what you want it to be and accept it on its own terms.
I don't give a FRICK what "muh genre" shit you think each game is, b***h.
You have to dodge block and hit the boss in ER.
You have to dodge block and hit the boss in DMC. Why can't DMC have min max 10 line of stats gear? Why can't we have the exact same world as ER but the player can chain 10 different skills into a combo? Take that "X-like" buzzword wiener out of your mouth and give me a concrete answer.
The first half of the game where you mostly play as 28yo Clive should have been linear and more condensed. In the second half the game should have turned into MGSV where you forcibly recruit Branded people from captivity as Cid The Vicious.
How did Hugo go full Titan in the deadlands? Aren't you supposed to not be able to use any kind of magic there? Or is the deadlands different from the Blight?
Dominants can prime from their internal aether, unlike bearers who only channel external aether, but it costs them heavily - furthering the toll of the crystal curse.
>Time to pick my mission >Select Blue Icon of Exploration >Objective: Collect 2 Rabbit Furs >Use 1,000 hit combo >5% damage on 1 rabbit >Hmmm....Better limit break just in case >Rabbit eventually dies after 15 minutes and 2 attacks towards the player >1 fur obtained! >Quest marker updates >Ok time to go through the shimmy wall >Wait 15 seconds to shimmy "NOT LOAD" >Follow Blue Marker to next rabbit >Now this is KINO
Everyone was warned.
Do people still think shimmy walls are load screens? You can teleport from Rosalith's map and its unique assets, to the Empire in like 2 seconds of black screen. Rosalith->Empire->Hideaway->Dhalmek area is probably a total of 15 seconds of black screen loading.
>shimmy walls
I know this may come off as a shill comment, but I actively like how quick the shimmies are in this game.
Going through a small slit in a wall or shimmying across a ledge is super fast compared to these other Sony titles where it takes for fricking ever. FF7R was really bad with this, so many of these god damn sections that take like 30+ seconds
After typing this I realize how pathetic of a praise this is, but I really do appreciate it.
>Time to pick my mission >Select Blue Icon of Exploration >Objective: Collect 2 Rabbit Furs >Use 1,000 hit combo >5% damage on 1 rabbit >Hmmm....Better limit break just in case >Rabbit eventually dies after 15 minutes and 2 attacks towards the player >1 fur obtained! >Quest marker updates >Ok time to go through the shimmy wall >Wait 15 seconds to shimmy "NOT LOAD" >Follow Blue Marker to next rabbit >Now this is KINO
Everyone was warned.
I'm fine with it actually. It's like edging when I want to jack off but ended up playing a dlsite hentai game for 4 hours.
The game need more moments of Clive just chatting with various party members >more random conversations with Jill >more random conversations with Byron >etc.
I love Clive's random remarks to Torgal but they're just too far and few between.
>gf really enjoying watching as i play through >she's really invested in the story >went on a business trip for 3 days >standing right outside drake's tail after fighting a dragon >asked me to stop playing and wait until she's back
God fricking damnit. People keep saying the Bahamut part is kino too
AHHHHHHHHHHHHH I WANT TO PLAY
He's the best, I like how Clive never seems particularly bothered by him acting like a clown and instead enjoys the company. It's a stark difference to how dour he is all the time with Jill.
I like FFXVI, but Jill fricking sucks. Complete jobber, even as Shiva. Jill's design sucks too. There are better looking NPCs than her. Her VA sucks too.
it's the second best game i've ever played after FFXIV
Anti-Barrykun detected, go back to Yoshi-P's ballsack
Okay but first you need to detach your lips from Tabata's shriveled ballsack.
You remember Tabata right? He's the washed up hack that got fired and is now making metaverse mobile trash kek.
Tabata's sweaty balls>>>>
's aids and cancer ridden ones
You like balls?
What a gay lmao
Gun to my head and if i had to choose between two homosexual japs, Tabata's better. Also you didn't deny that you slurp on Yoshi P's balls either:
These two fricking responses are why I know you fricking dickheads aren't doing this with any actual real passion, it's all just shit posting and the rush of sending vitriol to other random frickers on the internet.
If you idiots knew anything about games you'd know how many fricking BLUNDERS Tabata is involved with.
They literally poached one of Capcoms LEAD BATTLE DESIGNERS, because Tabata fricked the combat of XV so hard even Nomura complained. Square literally let the MMO PEOPLE. THE SAME ONES WHO SAVED XIV FROM UTTER OBLIVION TO RESUSCITATE THE FF BRAND AND IT ACTUALLY WORKED.
YOSHI P IS 2 FOR 2 ON SAVING SQUARE. GET FRICKING REKT BARRY.
Don't forget Tabata demoted Tokyo Team veterans in favor of literal who's and pushed for open world in spite of the team's "fierce opposition", even if it meant cutting out half the game and half its plot.
Reading this still pisses me the frick off even after all these years.
He fricking ruined a real piece of my childhood with his shortsighted corpo-prostituteism. That versus xiii trailer is forever tainted because of him.
Define 'Tokyo Team'
Nomura's OG team, KH2FM devs, who worked under him until Versus before they got split up and the project bastardized.
To add to what you said, fun fact:
The game mentioned by
? A Tokyo Team dev made the battle system for that game too. And a separate one did the same for 16 under the DMC guy along with 2 14 battle devs.
>What will become of the Tokyo Team?
>Pic related. Theorygayging assumes all of them have been pulled away from other projects to work on either 7 Rebirth, KH4, or (now confirmed) FF16.
>But not-Tokyo Team anon's understanding is that the battle system devlopers went to 13 and the level designers went to 14. TTA-san also added:
>Many Versus devs were asked to work on 13, 14 1.0, and then The Last Remnant around that time. Several Versus assistant directors were even working on Crystal Tools.
>UPDATE: Versus 13 VFX director Shuichi Sato is also VFX director on 16.
>Masato Yagi of The Last Remnant said that after TLR got released, he was assigned to the Tokyo Team on Versus afterward. He likely worked on the 2011 build, which only happened because staff was freed up after 13, 14 1.0 and TLR got released in late 2009.
>There was a much larger collection of developers from KH2 being sorted into CBU1 or 3. I think this is more relevant since it addresses where the big names went like Kanemori, or Abe or Kujiraoka. Even Jun Akiyama. I didn't know an FF12 dev was a Tokyo Team member until TTA-san said all this.
>UPDATE: Takeo Kujiraoka was sorted into CBU3 along with other many KH2 devs and even KH2 devs that worked on FF15.
>Tokyo Team anon also missed that Mitsunori Takahashi has also been absent from Nomura projects since he was credited on patents for 7R's battle system. But there is an equal chance he might be working on Rebirth and not 16.
>For more clues, look at the links between The Last Remnant/7R and KH1/KH2, the 13 games/7R and KH1/KH2, FF14 from 1.0/7R and after to KH1/KH2, Days/coded and NEO/7R, FF11 and KH2/7R, and even FF12 and KH1/7R.
>What will become of the Tokyo Team? (Part 2)
>A short list of KH battle team members Yoshi-P could be taking from/Nomura could be holding on to for 7R and KH4:
>Tokyo Team:
>Yuichi Kanemori
>KH1, KH2, 13, Versus 13, 15 Duscae, Pokemon Masters (but he left)
>Mitsunori Takahashi
>KH1, KH2, Dissidia, 012, Rampage Land Rankers, 7R but didn't stay all the way, could go either to Rebirth or KH4
>Yuji Abe
>KH2, 13, 13-2, 13-3, Flame x Blaze, creative supervisor KH3, probably KH4
>Takeo Kujiraoka
>KH2, Dissidia, 012, 13, 13-2, 13-3, NT, CONFIRMED FF16
>Daisuke Sase
>KH2, 11 ToAU, 11 WotG, 14 1.0 (!), 14 2.0 (!), 14 3.0 (!), 14 4.0 (!), Konami PES (but he might be back)
>Masanori Sato
>KH2, Versus 13, 15, KH3, replaced Mitsunori Takahashi for battle system design on 7R, probably Rebirth
>Junichi Oka
>KH2, The Last Remnant (!), Versus 13, Vanquish, Metal Gear Rising, The Wonderful 101, Bayonetta 2, 15, KH3, 7R, probably Rebirth
>Nobuyuki Matsuoka
>KH2, 11 WotU (!), 13, 13-2, 13-3, Mobius, 7R, 7 The First Soldier (which flopped), probably Rebirth
>Other:
>Kyohei Suzuki
>KH Days, Re:coded, FF All the Bravest, KH3, 7R, NEO, probably KH4 due to one other NEO creative working on it
>Osaka Team:
>Tomokazu Shibata
>T3B, Type-0, DDD, 2.8, 3, 3 ReMIND, CONFIRMED FF16, very likely KH4
>Tai Yasue
>Vagrant Story (!), all Osaka Team games, confirmed NOT working on FF16 but sent well wishes, probably KH4
>Who could be working on KH4 and 7 Rebirth?
>There are more people in pic, just not battle designers. Pay attention to the former Nomura people in CBU3
. If they're not working on FF14, some were credited working on FF16.
It's really sad. People actually went on to say 15 was good because the combat was simple and the game was light on plot. I wonder how much of a success Versus under Nomura could have been but based on the reception people gave 15 until 2019 people really seemed to like what Tabata did.
>People actually went on to say 15 was good because the combat was simple
This pisses me off more than you can imagine. Do Zoomers really think KH combat is too much to get into?
>yoshi saves ff14
>makes best ff in a long time as well
let him do 17 too.
>Mfw XVII is just XIV with XVI combat
Not as good as FF15
15 sucks.
ly gay.
are they going to port it to pc? i dont want to buy a PS5 for one game
In 1+ years bare minimum
amazingly bad, i can't believe after 15 this game is getting so much hate, it's selling less than fricking Persona 5
Holy shit
The game that barely got marketing is selling less than zoomers first dating sim that gets spammed fricking everywhere with endless spinoffs and remakes
Shocker.
>Barely any marketing
This game has been spammed to death by streamers and journos for the last 2 weeks, I can't go 5 minutes without them screaming about it. I've never seen such blatantly paid interest in such a run of the mill game.
>when you unlock different stances and the game becomes Devil May Cry
Bruh
Most kino fight of the entire game?
Tie between Titan Lost and Bahamut for me.
I heard it was pretty gay though. Wont play due to gay scenes.
But you'll still jack it to lesbo porn.
No I wont actually because homosexuality is just disgusting
Sounds like you've already played it and can't stop thinking about it.
i just dozed off from how boring the non-bosses are and i have no idea what the frick is even going on and why i need a stair
How, elaborate.
I wish I had a PS5 for this game...
Why not get one
Because I am a poorgay.
Cut down on needless spending every day/week and you'll eventually have enough $
I like it a lot, stopped doing the story for a bit to work on S ranking the arcade mode levels. I don't really care about the debate on if it is or isn't a proper Final Fantasy, I am just having fun playing it.
My one complaint is getting the hitless medals. I hate that you have to replay the whole level every time to try it with level select. I might just wait until NG+ Final Fantasy mode where I can save right at the door of each boss.
Maybe just stop being bad. If you succeed the first time you don't have to replay it,
Boss battles are incredible, and anytime I fight literally anything im having a blast but the levels have a bit to be desired for exploration. They looks pretty and have good music and are sized perfectly for what they are but all you get are crafting materials and occasionally an accessory. Many games are like that tho I understand
I feel like I'm going insane because post second timeskip the game seems to have loads of large maps, but nobody seems to be mentioning them? I have been playing like an autismo tho so maybe I am just very far ahead. But I am pretty happy with the maps and hunts/quests that fill them.
They're large maps, but they're extremely empty so why does it matter? Honestly they should have removed all the open-areas and focused more on stages (or nothing at all because that would cut down dev time).
As it is, these maps are emptier than Xenoblade 1's infamous Valak Mountains; which gets memed on. Sure they look pretty, but a stage could do the exact same thing.
We could have easily been playing this game 2 years earlier if they removed the shitty exploration and sidequests. In fact, the game would feel more consistent with it.
I think i'm moronic because I don't feel that way at all. The quests are rather sparse (maybe half a dozen per zone?) but the hunts are my favorite part in the later game. I love running around maps looking for then fighting optional bosses. I killed the first S rank earlier today.
The one point I might agree on is i wish exploration was rewarded better. it sucks to stumble in to a like six enemies and they're guarding wrrite and gil. Tho twice now I have stumbled on fairly powerful enemies that didn't seem to be tied to a quest or hunt and dropped crafting mats, which was cool.
Here's the thing...
There's nothing saying that Hunts couldn't be done in a stage selector. Hell, if they did that, we might've even gotten a dozen more because all the dev time spent on open areas could be reallocated.
I think it woulda made the world feel smaller, and looking for them itself is kind of fun. I don't really have a "counterpoint" tho because it's opinions. But I like it how it's done.
I will admit I wish they'd have done more tho. Or introduced them earlier. 20s Clive, in retrospect, is just an extended tutorial.
sex
good morning sirs
Hey pajeet san
FFXVI is honestly the best game I have played in years. HOLY SHIT is it good.
The story is incredibly compelling, the combat is tons of fun, the graphics are amazing and the characters are unbelievably well designed.
Anon you're not supposed to actually like videogames this is Ganker
i think hes being sarcastic
Its worse than xv
>marketing post using webm from before the game was out not even your own footage
I'm still not fond of the combat but I'm having fun
Bring jill dlc
So what, do you guys just post false flag shill posts for other anons to get mad at?
Who wins here? You're literally doing it for free
I like the game, but the graphics are PS3 tier. Sometimes PS2. You can tell its running on that awful ff14 engine. Can't hold 60 fps btw. Its upscaled 900p on a PS5 at 30 fps... It's blurry and aliased as well. It looks so bad. On top of this, the environments are hallways...
FF14 saved the series. The graphics are fine.
>PS3 tier
It never looks like FF13 running on the PS3, not does it ever look like FFX on the PS2. The hyperboles are wild.
Hi Clive. Please Collect five donkey asses.
>graphics are PS3 tier
Are you drunk or a troll? The graphics are absolutely spectacular.
Best you've played in years? That's overselling it a bit. But outside of that, I totally agree.
>Story is serviceable
I have to disagree. It's actually good. Cid is basically professor x/MLK but in a fantasy world, he's trying to liberate the dominants from being slaves to kings. And clive is a victim of war-crazed maniacs and his psycho eugenicist mom. I can't think of a fantasy video game that has this compelling of a plot outside of Morrowind.
>Cid is basically professor x/MLK but in a fantasy world, he's trying to liberate the dominants from being slaves to kings
Hey Stellagay if you're reading this are you cooming at this game yet?
You sound like a 12 year old that has never enjoyed a videogame ever
this gray fricking filter... Can't wait for PC, hopefully will be able to mod it out along with the gay kiss
Is there any way to view the hunt board in the field, or do I have to write this shit out myself so I don't need to backtrack a bunch
I just took screenshots of them.
Better late than never, thanks for the ifirit tongue wiggle
It's got flaws but it's a really solid games. I guess it's just usualGanker shitposting making out like it's awful garbage. Story is serviceable, but it's got really good gameplay and genuine hype moments, haven't had those in years
Ganker only likes games loaded with cash shops, season passes, and always online shit now a days. The golden years have fallen. They despise this game because it's an actual videogame and they can't spent 100 dollars on four outfits.
I'd pay for outfits in this game.
Some different fits for Clyde and a bikini for Jill
I am sad that the lack of outfits at all in the game means we wont be able to dress Clive up like a catboy. The way we could Lightning and Noctis. I'm only half joking too, the Miqote outfit is my main one in XV.
I misread this as "different breasts for clive"
And I guess tbf he has some pretty big tiddies.
It'd probably be wonky as shit but I would want scaled down full Eikon forms for the characters.
I wish they showed nipples and ass cheeks. It's rated M, for fook's sake
The duality of Ganker
i don't understand why the game is so divisive, the gameplay is dogshit, the cutscenes are boring, the music is great and the boss fights are cool but lack substance due to the gameplay being so dull.
Simple as that.
It's divisive because it's baby's first action game and yet people treat it as if it's somehow the best thing since DMC. And somehow God of War is more of an RPG than this game.
>Babies first action game
So it's what botw/totk are to tendies but open world?
yeah
It's not open world.
Esl
Correct, yes.
The difference is those 2 are good games but XVI is worse than DMC1
It's divisive because the producer has a whole cult centered around his persona due to the MMO. Everyone else knows it's ass.
Contrarians just want attention
>this non-canon ad gave Jill more meaningful action than the game itself
>Enemy is about to die
>Counter their attack with RAGING FISTO
>MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA their ass and knock them into next week
>Raining down Megaflares across the battlefield
UNLIMITED POWERRRRRRRRRR
Why did they turn Final Fantasy into Asura's Wrath, starring Devilman?
You mean God May Cry?
>That entire bahamut sequence
Unironically got off my chair and kneeled, holy frick
How far is that into the game?
No spoilies plox
like 65-70%, some SUPER shitty filler beforehand though that made my eyes roll in the back of my head. But press through it.
>some SUPER shitty filler
classic JRPG trope, hope yoshida will call that racist too
Shitty fetch quests are far more of a WRPG trope than a JRPG trope. Most JRPGs just have very few sidequests at all.
JRPG side quests usually tend to be chatter you have to read from random npc in random spots to give hints on where superbosses, items etc are. Chrono Trigger, FF6, FF7 come to mind with that.
I really liked DQ3's mechanic where NPCs would tell you important hints, but if you thought a line of NPC dialogue might be important, you could choose to log it.
The secret order of knights saving Joshua was pretty random, with Clive expositing that he knew about them all along
I feel so conflicted since at the begining the combat is really shallow but gets better later, but also we have this cool looking boss fights with a lot of QTE which disrupt my enjoyment of the fights. I like it but at the same time it does things whcih downgrades my enjoyment.
Taking bets on who the first DLC Eikon will be. And, potentially the same, which Eikon they'll use the FFXIV crossover as an excuse to introduce. (Like XV did with Garuda)
Hades
Hades? That seems out of left field. Why?
They don't call me Longshot Lewie for no reason
XIV troons will literally buy scalped ps5s to play a game with hades
I feel personally attacked but yeah I probably would do that
?????????????????!?!?!????????
IF there's a DLC Eikon, it's 100% Leviathan. He even gets mentioned in the story. I'll bet you my fricking house b***h.
Second this. This or Alexander.
Alexander isn't happening, Titan Lost is the closest we are ever getting.
Knights of the Round
Fat Chocobo & Siren nah it's gonna be more reused assets from XIV so Alexander
I think the first DLC will expand parts of the story with a new playable character. Like playing as Cid or Jill.
>hey this reminds me of that time bahamut chased me out of the empire
>hey cid, tell the fricking story
kek, the sphere troon was seething with people calling FFXVI not a real Final Fantasy.
God I can't stand Harbard, shut the frick up
>le tabata
>le yoshi-p
>le nomura
SHUT THE FRICK UP
What was Joshua doing for 13 years
Getting his biography written by his personal biographer, seducing b***hes with his charm, and fricking his tomboy sworn knight.
I'll be honest I didn't know XV even have cult followers until XVI came out. I thought most of the XV posters were just memes but no they're all over social media especially Twitter trying to derail XVI. Even the gay who run dedicated final fantasy channels is trying to shit XVI because his favorite FF was XV.
Welcome to the FF fandom.
My uncle says folks have been doing this since Netscape days when 8 came out and all the 7 fans were mad they didn't get a sequel to their game.
>twitter
It's because XV for some reason have a lot of lefties followers.
Ew frick no. I'm a bone dry communist and I fricking hate XV. What you're thinking about are the streamer girl crowd.
Girls have awful taste in Vidya regardless, of course they'd love XV's handhold garbage gameplay.
Did you rike it
so I just got titan with 52% main game progress apparently according to gaystation. what am I in for? also why the frick did cid name his daughter mid?
Mid was Cid's grandson in V. Now its his daughter in XVI
it looks indescribably bad but i've never been one for final fantasy
>whistles for magic chocobo
>runs at walking speed to quest marker
>press l3 for animal vision
>"Mhmm....giant slash marks all over the victim....a goblin, gotta be"
>"Come on, Torgal"
>follows tracks
>guys in Goblin™ costumes appear
>"OY BLOODY 'ELL FRICKING c**t SHIT FRICK c**t, IT'S A FRICKIN' BEARER IT IS! GET 'IM"
>"Shit you stink" DUNDUNDUNDUNDUNDUNDUN *sets guys on fire and they stumble and recover immediately, does a cinematic kick and sends a guy flying"
>"Mhmm....Footpads™ pretending to be Goblins™......better tell the Quinten about this"
>"Come on, Torgal"
>runs at walkign speed on road back to village
>"OY BLOODY FRICK c**t BEARER, WOT ABOUT DA CONTRACT WESE PAIDS YA FOR YA BLOODY FRICKING c**t?"
>"Just some bastards posing as Goblins™, here's proof shows flipper"
>"OY BRANDED, HERE'S YA REWARD DA WHOLE VILLAGE CHIPPED IN"
>Quest Completed
>exp and ability points slowly increasing
>10 Sharp Fang received
Honestly I've been looking forward to this games version of this post. Can you guys believe it'll be 10 years of posting this in 2 years?
>Can you guys believe it'll be 10 years of posting this in 2 years?
OY BLOODY 'ELL FRICKING c**t SHIT FRICK c**t
pretty true aside from animal vision
Don't forget the 1 hour cut-scene that leads nowhere
I can't believe beating Bahamut gives you FIFTY sharp fangs
I’ll never know because I’ll never buy a gaystation 5.
the combat is really good, best battle system since this game.
its so boring my god just people standing and droning on and on and on. dont get me wrong that sort of thing can be engaging, got did it well. but here it puts me to sleep.
people will praise the kino fights but i think asuras wrath did that sort of spectacle better much better directed. in here its way too many zoom ins and particle spam. can barely tell wtf is hapening a lot of the time.
>hey we need to pad out our game, what do we do?
>how about put a bunch of optional shitty fetch quests in between each major story mission except the fetch quests sometimes have actual good rewards so the player will feel obligated to do all of them
>also in terms of the mandatory main story, between each major story beat lets put a shitty filler quest where you have to do some menial task to get a special good boy badge from somebody. And we will repeat this between every major story mission.
>Zoomers complaining about things in jrpgs adults actually like.
I mean, if they think Versus sucks because it was too dark, politcal and edgy you shouldn't be surprised they love 15 because it was 'simple and clean' and comfy a.k.a. a watered down mess.
>Zoomers complaining about things in jrpgs adults actually like.
Yeah when I played FF4 I thought "you know what this is missing? Quests where some random person sends me off to kill 3 wasps, gather 3 herbs, or deliver a package.
they have a character named mid in this game. let that sink in
short for midadol, read the game text
>cid
>mid
it works
Cidolfus and Midolfus
>Ffamran Midolfus Bunansa
>this shit got higher than totk on metacritic
wtf how?
Game becomes a lot more fun when you have a cute girl roaming around with you. Wonder why
Just got best girl Ambrosia, how the frick is she still alive
I'm at like 76% completion and I'm already getting the post game depression. I don't want the game to end bros..
Also why the frick did the original leaker lie and say Clive was a perma virigin when I just finished watching him blow Jill's back out.
Ganker is just pissy about this game because it's exclusive, the same thing happened back when ff7r came out
No I'm disappointed because I think it's just mediocre.
People were rightfully pissy about FF7r because what was announced was an actual remake of FF7. Instead we got just Midgar padded out the ass and then butchered with alternate timeline shit and hit or miss rearrangements of the original ost.
As someone who has the game and just beat Bahamut, I also think it's a bit mediocre. The eikon fights are cool but outside of those the game is kinda boring. All of the story dungeons are straight lines and the overworld zones don't have any interesting optional stuff aside from hunts. No optional dungeons or anything. Towns exist technically but are extremely dull and lack character.
That's just, like, your opinion man.
shit story = shit game = not a real final fantasy game
The story is not BAD, it's just poorly written and poorly paced.
It deliberately sets out to spite everything that made classic Final Fantasy games good. On top of being poorly written and poorly paced. The only people not noticing this are mmotrannies who aren't capable of noticing the game is about you taking the role of the devil and destroying the series' stand-in for the divine (the crystals). Then it goes full fedora by the end of it.
Lmao seethe more you b***h homosexual christ cuck.
Frick your Yahweh, frick your religion, and mother frick your mother.
This is the most based FF game ever created specifically for the reasons you just stated.
Who doesn't want to be a Demon destroying false gods and shitty false god loving worshippers.
>not BAD, it's just poorly written
isn't that a contradiction?
No
Jesus Christ Barry, give it a rest already, you moronic Curry Black person.
Take meds.
Barry won btw. As much as a mess the development of XV was, at least you had a somewhat compelling Christ allegory by the end of it. And it sold 10 million units, XVI will be lucky to break 2, as classic FF games having a good story about the good things in the universe that make life worth living is what made them universally appraised in the first place. The kind of subhuman who loves subversive stories isn't that common either, not common enough to carry this horrible game.
So you're really just a vanillaboo christ cuck
I bet you were homeschooled by your prostitute mother who fricks the mailman you sheltered cuckspawn.
you need to go back
Threadly reminder that porn addiction is a mental illness.
>XVI will be lucky to break 2
will it? what are the sales compared to XV in its first week? I bought a PS5 for this game. Mainly because the story looked interesting enough that I didn't want to be spoiled and I knew I'd buy a PS5 eventually for KH4 anyway.
You are going to kys when sales numbers are released, Barry.
>classic FF games having a good story about the good things in the universe that make life worth living is what made them universally appraised in the first place
FF doesn't need to be Ghibli. It can also be Nitroplus. We also deserve a CLAMP Final Fantasy
>We also deserve a CLAMP Final Fantasy
I mean this one already has gay prettyboys.
Anon by CLAMP I mean urban gays aka X. You know what I mean don't you?
>fantasy based on reality
Yoshi-P needs to do something about this immediately
>X
I've never read, this is it good? I know Tokyo is in it.
>We also deserve a CLAMP Final Fantasy
We were robbed.
No it needs to be ghibli otherwise its just not good.
Let me guess, you don't like 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 and most especially Versus 13 too?
>11
love it, whimsical as frick
>12
hate it, ivaliceslop westaboo shit
>13
beautiful game shit protag cool world visual design
>14
it's ok but has gotten stale
>15
boring as shit
>versus xiii
could've been cool, will never know
>Versus 13
That's the opposite of whimsy. That's edgy. Like again a Nitroplus visual novel or late-90s CLAMP manga where every seme has to have their eye gouged out in a bloody mess for no reason, Ivalice slop political commentary and KH battles because Nomura says so. Not FF at all.
Have do you even have an opinion on Versus 13 when it's never going to be a thing?
We already know that Nomura was going to turn it into some dumb visual novel style story about what he called the ugly issues of reality, and to make matters worse he said no FF game covered that sort of social relevance. There was that one Eurogamer interview where he said he wanted it to be darker and felt it could be 'more realistic' no one gives a crap about his opinions on global politics and gory whatever.
>no hot sweaty gay sex scene with Cid
this game is trash, watched the whole movie on youtube and i still feel like i was ripped off
this part alone > ff15
>we want our game to be serious and gritty like game of thrones
>also we want to have a demon and a dragon fight in space.
The game literally starts with a fire bird fighting a fire demon after one dude saw Gandalf falling with the Balrog. Scene so good, they stole it twice
>we want our game to be westoid le mature shlock for manchildren
>also we want to have jap le rape shlock for degenerates
The game was about magic shit and the repercussions thereof since the very beginning of the game.
This israelite is fricking moronic.
>Using Jason Schreier posts to argue a games quality .
Oh Lord, how far this board has fallen.
>its never brought up again
Except we consistently see the blight spread on maps, and see refugees move to new crystals as they cannot live without it because they aren't used to it. Its the whole reason Cid and Clive-Cid are going around killing mothercrystals, to stop the draining of aether and making people depend on themselves instead of crystals.
I think what he means is, the Blight conflict is never resolved in favor of killing Ultima. The ending scene leaves everything so ambiguously stated so you have to headcannon every major plot point the game had established, thus denying you from catharsis.
I was doing a bit of an hyperbole, but realistically it will sell 1-3 first week out of the hype, depending on how much the install base eat it up. XV did 5 million first week and 7R 3.5 within the first three days. I think SE's silence is pretty telling, but regardless, since the story is not only bad, but also throws shit all over the series' legacy on purpose, I doubt it'll be able to be a good slow seller like say, NieR Automata was.
First scene of the game: Magical beasts doing magical shit
Anybody that quotes Schreier is just as much of an imbecile as he is.
>climate change conflict
this fricking moron, it's about magic ruining the land, and magic turning people into tools to be used.
>Climate change conflict
lmao there is no way this moron played the game. I honestly can't believe that somebody could be this stupid.
I mean, the whole mothercrystals being the energy source while also being the source of the blight, and leading to various wars over resources does sound as environmental as FFVII was
Magic sucking up the life essence of the land and making it completely barren and uninhabitable is not climate change.
But the world slowly getting uninhabitable, leading to refugee crises and resource wars is the kind of thing you'd expect out of a climate change allegory
It's half a climate change and half an Irak war allegory.
Director stated that in the game magic was an allegory for oil. Blame him for that.
moron
Have you played the game? The crystal/aether plot is literally Tales of Vesperia all over again which was another game that was heavily modelled after climate change shit in the back half of the game.
i haven't played the game yet but there's no way it becomes more nonsensical than final fantasy 9. like there's no actual way
it's the same series where sephiroth had a 10 minute summon involving the universe, to kill you.
True. I am 100% convinced haters haven't played the game and are doing it for consolewar homosexualry
>no RPG elements
no thanks. If i Play an RPG i want to build my character, have lots of choices and freedom, and exploration. and everything is dialed to a minimum here. It's mostly an action game. This is fine in itself, but why slap "Final Fantasy" on it. A game series that was always mainly RPG
there are final fantasies that have zero character customization.
So its like other 13 entries in the series?
I feel like the everything up to Bahamut was great. but once we get after that, it just turns to garbage.
I wish the arcade mode was just the base mode. I feel stupid playing the levels through again in arcade mode after having just played them.
How do I maximize limit break?
I feel like I am just spamming the melee button, any combos?
Has anyone actually reached ng+? If so, does everything carryover including quest boosts like increased item effectiveness?
I absolutely love the game. Best game I have played in years.
I was a bit sceptical about the combat, but it is actually incredibly well designed and really fun to play. :3
I was worried at the start but things looked up after Titan. And ended with a resounding bang at the end.
Story wise, it's not perfect. The dialogue really needed some editing, some weird parts were obvious to see just because the good parts are really good. But in terms of the overall spectacle, it ended spectacularly as a Final Fantasy should. Unironically the game needed maybe two more years to flesh out the world and improve on side quests, as well as do some more editing around the dialogue/cutscenes and it woulda been perfect. As of now, it's a solid 8/10 for me, way better than XV/XIII on launch.
No, this is probably what the MMO devs think good sidequest design is like. Supposedly the game was ready to launch half a year ago but they waited on due to PS5 scarcity.
>that sidequest where Clive acts as a wise mentor and teaches the kids how to put a scale back together
>kids realize that he forgot to put a part in while clive walks away sagely
I love him so much bros
>in the dominion looking for goez
>oh look a goods lift, clive goes up and jill just magically appears behind him
There was so many moments they could just have her interact with him to add to it but its weird how lazy some parts are
>jlll does nothing while ultima hovers over clive, a literal dying man has to stab it
>while bahamut is being fought, jill and anabelle are just in the same room together offscreen, frozen in exactly the same place
I really did want to see what they were doing during the Bahamut fight
>while bahamut is being fought, jill and anabelle are just in the same room together offscreen, frozen in exactly the same place
Yeah, that's just lazy on the writer's part. Makes you wonder why they seemed so confident on the story this time around.
>final conversation between clive and anabelle
>anabelle is actually complimenting clive as she yells at him
kind of kino
Looks amazing!
>jorno rings
I wish Dion would have fricked joshua instead of some no name side character. My main deserves to dick down a proper lead character instead of a rando NPC. My rightful king.
>Jill and Joshua also grew up together
>Have like zero interaction when they are reunited
okay
They also have a ton of shit on their own plates
I laughed when Clive and Joshua reunited, and Clive said nothing else mattered now that they were together, and Jill is standing in the corner
It's a reference to KH2 when Sora and Riku reunite. You have to be a Squeenix fan to get these deep references.
>Joshua knows we're alive and just avoids Clive, letting him suffer in slavery thinking he killed his brother, then he just shows up every now and then only to leave again because reasons.
I fricking hated this shit so much.
The best part is that Joshua has an entire order of knights sworn to him, spread out across the continent, and he never bothers to try and rescue Clive or Jill. I'm pretty sure he always knew Clive was alive at least.
The dude has a fricking biographer chronicling his life story and he has a cohort of dudes researching Ultima, but he can't be bothered to track down Clive? Would it be that hard?
Its weird how some characters are half-baked, even though there are so many cutscenes. I haven't bothered to check out the ATL so maybe there's more explanation there, but for example, Sylvestre is a weird ass character
is it ever explained how he and Clive's mom ever thought Ultima was actually their son?
Clive's mom is delusional and loves Olivier, so it doesn't matter that he never talks and just plays with his toys. I don't really understand Sylvestre's character other than he's so religious that he's willing to overthrow his son because the astrologers who got bribed told him to. I'm pretty Anabella just convinced him that Olivier having phoenix and bahamut blood was better than Dion only having bahamut blood
>Clive's mom is delusional and loves Olivier
no but the point is how did she think he was her son if she didn't give birth to him?
Pretty sure Olivier is her son, but got possessed by Ultima
When Dion throws his spear at him he literally just evaporates.
that happens to all the akashic creatures, they disintegrate
The emperor needs more explaining. I can understand him turning on Dion because he's a bad father who cares more about his hot new wife and kid but why did he become an evil emperor too?
not a game
it's a gay movie
Fine you win. I'll buy a PS5 and this game. See you in a few hours.
Step 1: Destroy crystal
Step 2: ????
Step 3: Bearers are not longer treated like shit
I know the Cid said the crystal was fricking up the land, but what is the step 2 here?
Cid himself said that things would get worse for bearers before they got better after destroying the crystals. He's doing it because he believes the crystals will destroy the world and kill everyone, including bearers
Maybe if they're the only ones who can use magic now? Or maybe if nobody can use magic now? The game doesn't bother to explain this.
Like says, he thinks things will get worse for dominants (and bearers), if anything
I get saving the world from the blight, but that really has nothing to do with improving the lot of the bearers specifically right?
No more crystals, no more bearers. The current ones might suffer more but the next generations will prosper
>No more crystals, no more bearers
no, bearers just use the aether in the air. They aren't reliant on the crystals for Magic, everyone else is.
Cid has a speech about how you need to destroy the old world to make a new one, and no one will listen to words. So destroying the crystals will both stop the blight, but also allow a new world to be created
>So destroying the crystals will both stop the blight, but also allow a new world to be created
See there's still a missing step here. Why do they expect the new world will treat bearers any better?
Because they'll be the only source of magic now when handy pocket crystals are gone.
But Cid also said if anything they'd be bullied harder for being the only folks who can use magic
Yeah but the pragmatic element would likely win out in the end. If you live in a desert and you rely on your local bearer for water you might not treat them so poorly.
>Woah this guy conquered the continent single handedly just by being a super warrior!
>gets his head cut off to a random mook
This is garbage.
I can't tell if the troony Alien ruined the story or saved it from its own preachiness.
Ultima, Barnabas and Harbard make up a trinity of obnoxiously philosophical smugness, its unbearable. I am sick of hearing about consciousness and will
At the very least the part about the slavery that doesn't make sense becomes completely ignored after that part lmao
The mundane slavery gets replaced with slavery to some shitty aliens
I CANT STAND HARBARD'S ACCENT AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
for me it ruined it by having the same effect that meteion had on CBU3's other game but at the same time im glad it stopped the relentless attempts at being philosophical and gave an antagonist that was more interesting than really angry guy, really angry guy 2, manipulative femoid and homosexual
>saved it from its own preachiness.
What are you talking about, it was at its most preachiest during the Ultima fight
Yeah but that was just anime preachiness which is something jrpgs are used to.
I felt like it was really preachy and devoid of nuance even compared to other jrpgs though
I'm loving this game. The story is lacking in certain aspects, specially in character interactions and development but the combat is really fun.
no it's not :/ gameplay is awful
It is good. Its dmc6 as an adventure/rpg game. Its exactly what i wanted
Anime ff og fanboys can suck my nuts.
>DMC
>With one combo, one weapon and only 6 skills equipped at once
>Where each ability has long cooldowns
The cooldowns are 10 seconds each or something close anon, you've got time then to reposition, get in some extra stagger with dodge counter magic, air juggle with Garuda....ah what am I saying you're not going to play the game.
Or, I could play a game like DMC5 where I have all of my tools available to me and more.
Then do that then? Frick off?
I'm not the one that badly compared XVI to DMC anon.
More like downgraded version of DMC combat. Shit makes me want to play actual DMC
>FFXVI
>DMC
>Not Anime
>Garuda fight
>Garuda somehow doesn't manage to push Clive off of the tiny platform even with all her wind powers
>Clive wins first phase without even transforming
Somehow this game gives me such a silly ass vibe
Also the plot of Clive not knowing about his transformation is so silly and dragon ball like
it's really naruto. Complete with sealed beasts and the plot being ruined by aliens
is ramuh's feat any good? it doesn't feel very good to use
>people start complaining about story
>that one MMOtroony whos delusional about XVI getting GOTY flees the thread
LMAO every single time
the main problem with 16 is that it doesn't have any innovative spirit, it feels completely content just sitting in aggressively average blandness. Every FF game after 5 always had such unique worldbuilding that would always make me think "that's something I could only see in FF", but 16 feels identical to not only 14 to me but nearly every single japanese game that tries to do western fantasy.
it's significantly more fun than Witcher/Zelda/nu-Kratos
Good combat goes a long way
Was FF ever this preachy? FF9 really hit you over its head with its messages and themes but they were very pleasant themes done well through its characters. I guess the closest would be 7 but that game's story is infinitely better.
They have no way of making you feel compelled about destroying the legacy of everything that made the series good so the game starts hitting you with lines and lines of pseud philosophy. Very Maehiro-like.
I dunno, it feels very similar to the preachiness of Endwalker, which makes me think it's something that comes from Yoshida's side
Well yeah there they had to convince you the only purpose in life is to play Final Fantasy XIV instead.
I don't know if I would call 7's story better. It is has its bright spots, but it is extremely messy.
It has a stronger, more fantastical setup and far more interesting environmentalist plot.
Like I said, it has its bright spots.
But it's also really all over the place.
people who don't like ff7's story are probably brainlets. it's so clearly above the rest in the FF series to me, it's by far the most innovative, with the best protagonist, best setting, best character development, great drama. there's nothing "messy" about it
13 got pretty heavy-handed in its final fight
13 was, 11 also got pretty preachy with some of its side stories
It's the translation. It's basically a complete rewrite, the Japanese dialog is not that preachy at all.
I mean seriously, this shit is way beyond the usual localization shenanigans, it's a completely different game.
Wasn't the script first written in English and then translated back to Japanese? It seems like a Koji thing tbh.
I keep seeing this brought up with zero actual proof. Until I see any, I will consider you just another schizo poster.
Which game are you talking about? XVI's entire dialogue was written for the west first. Japanese don't even have proper lip synch
Why would a Japanese dev write their own script in English? No this has Koji all over it in a really bad way. Luckily I don't have to deal with that but god damn, I'm not joking. It's a complete rewrite.
that's what haruki murakami does
This is one of the times where the western script is the leading one because yoship said on record that japanese team and koji fox were working together on it.
so did destroying drake's head actually do anything, or is its impact over the long term
It has only been released for less than 3 days, but the discussion has already died down
Not that there was much going on even on the day of its launch as it didn't manage to cause a storm from the start
>honeymoon phase is already over
Not even a week old
Grim
This is the Sermon of the Game of homosexualry. And we are its Final witnesses!
Curious how the best parts of the games are the ones that imitate the mmoRPG mechanics.
whoa did i say that out loud, my RPGBAD
I need an accessory that let's me run faster
Yoshida doesn't think stuff like that is important, sorry
So I just made it to Garuda castle and the game its really linear.... it gets better?
Also, I just have 1 combo move that gets repetitve really quick
Please tell me thegame gets better because its a 6/10 so far
once you beat garuda you get a bunch of new abilities, that's when at least the battle portion sort of opens up
the main missions stay linear but you get open areas that are designed kind of like ff14 zones with random side tasks like talking to npcs and hunts
You ever played HiFi-Rushy from Tangoshitworks? It's like that, 1 combo and you cycle the Eikon abilities to clear mob packs
>linear
Yeah it's linear and cutscene heavy, it won't get any better. Enjoy the true AAA experience homosexual.
there's no such a thing as typical FF-ness outside of spectacle and being vaguely RPGs, these games never had all that much in common. spectacle is the real identity of FF
it all began in FF1 with those fantastic sprites and animations, it continued in FF4 with the theatrical drama inspired way of storytelling, FF6 and its amazing set pieces, FF7 with its grandiose plot, FF8 with its even to this day amazingly beautiful FMVs.
spectacle, drama, over the top effects. that and that only is FF. in this respect, FFXVI completely respects what FF is.
however what must also be said that FF hasn't been on the JRPG throne since FFX. and i think people still expect FF to be the non plus ultra for JRPGs, but it has only ever been that on the PS1 and maybe with FFX. before that it wasn't at the top, and after that it wasn't at the top either. spectacle is great, it makes a game very fun to play, but FF doesn't have it in itself to be both spectacular, high budget and high graphics and genuinely deep with an elaborate, soulful story. it doesn't since a long time now. and that's fine.
people think of FF having to be the Zelda of jrpgs, one genre defining masterpiece after another, but that's not what it is and hasn't been for most of its run. it's just a series of good/decent games that look really cool and have spectacular concepts in them. FFXVI lives up to that in a way FFXV really did not. 8/10 game and a return to form, but i do think the game is several steps behind Persona, Dragon Quest and Xenoblade in JRPG excellence
Final Fantasy is about how love is what holds existence together, and about how it traces back to the eternal, thus it gives people the ability to overcome the greatest of tragedies, and even death.
XVI purposefully does everything it can to destroy this because Yoshida is a hack who doesn't understand the core identity of FF, and believes it consists of le reddit references and callbacks to earlier entries.
FF is about spikey hair dude with big sword doing battle shonen anime stuff
FF7 is the first game with a spikey hair dude or a big sword
I'm pretty sure the warrior job in ff1 hair is spikey and garland has a big sword and he scream a lot too.
isn't especially spikey to me. And if you look at his world map sprite it's flat as hell
Garland's frickhuge sword only showed up in later adaptations.
what about FF11? was FF11 "spectacular" when it came out?
>several steps behind persona, dragon quest and xenoblade
>xenoblade series has sold less then 6 million combined
>persona 5 just sold 9 million copies, and that is including royal too
>dragon quest is a joke
okay anon.
>dragon quest is a joke
Is it?
i wasn't talking about sales but quality. and dqxi sold 7 million
Please tell me this game has tons of not main quest content. Talking about fights
there are hunts
mostly against reskinned enemies you already fought and enemies ripped straight from FFXIV 1:1 like the chimera
Combat reminds me of GoW3, the last good GoW game. The Eikon fights are extremely fun and unlike anything. Plot is a bit weak though.
8/10 satisfied with my purchase?
it really is
why is there only one thread for this game on the catalog
Its a shit game.
it is really surprising, for such a big title game
>why is there only one thread for this game on the catalog
>see at least four when I search
huh?
there are more mario or starfield threads
TORTANIC PRIMAL... MANIFEST! PUNISH YOSHIDA FOR HIS TRANSGRESSION.
>HOT loose BLOWJOB FROM BENRDIKTA
>THREESOME WITH CID AND BENEDIKTA
>UGLY BASTARD RAPING BENEDIKTA
>CUMMING INSIDE BENEDIKTA
what am i missing from not doing hunts, I'm doing every side quest but those just seem like a hassle
Most of the fun comes from just having harder enemies to fight. But the actual reward is usually crafting mats and some renown / gil.
I'm still tickled by Titan ripping off Titans from AoT
Why? FF16's Titan looks a lot like Beast Titan and gave us a better fight than the AoT games ever could.
mostly found it funny because of how well it lines up
like "oh it's Titan. and it's literally one of the Titans from AoT. From the design to the reveal to even the way they show off the scale. heh"
Yoshi P fricked this up... this was his chance to put FF back in GOTY discussion but we all know it ain't winning or even qualifying.
FF is still where it's always been, in the dark ages. Square will have to sack him.
He's not getting sacked, but probably confined to FF14 forever
FF is doing fine, it's where they have always have been with the exception of 7, 10 and 6
the real problem is they put a fricking jaded mmo director in charge of overseeing a singleplayer game. Yoshida has been exposed to the ultimate hive of degeneracy for 13 years straight and you really expect him to think to steer the game in any direction that isn't for literal mouthbreathers? he knows the modern normie audience because he's designed a fricking ratcage for them to basedface out at stilted cutscenes for 1000 hours.
Yoshida is just the producer, but they should sack him regardless.
he oversees the entirety of CBU3, which includes DQX, FF11, FF14, and FF16. He even outright said he specifically told the developers to tone down the difficulty, he also is the main person budgeting all 3 mmos and they all have to go through him (according to his We Are Vanadiel interview with mitsui).
>budgets all mmos
>somehow X and 11 are more cost productive than 14
Jesus christ.
he currently gives FFXI pennies, and matsui said that they have to schedule meetings with yoshida to allot a time period where someone from the XIV team can come work on XI and then it has to be approved by yoshida because he runs the studio with an iron fist. I don't even like XI but at that point that's just fricking cruel.
source
Even so, the fact that 12 has been pumping out fulfilling content long after it completed all expansions with only scraps to fund it is insane. Maybe that's due to 11 being an MMO with depth as opposed to XIV which actively removes any semblance of depth and longevity so all it's budget goes to one and done spectacles that rarely pay off.
It also helps that FFXI is vastly cheaper to create content for and to maintain than FFXIV is.
All the new shit in FFXI over the past decade has mostly been reskins of existing content. RoV is the most effort they probably put in which actually has some new story sequences but I believe that's coming to an end soon (if it hasn't ended already).
I wouldn't know, I didn't play it much. But those interviews felt extremely disrespectful since yoshida never even played xi and mostly talked about himself. It gave the feeling he doesn't give a shit about games he isn't involved in, and feels like he has a stranglehold on the current life or death of xi
>But those interviews felt extremely disrespectful since yoshida never even played xi and mostly talked about himself.
What are you even talking about. It's well known amongst the FFXI community that without Yoshida backing the game, it would have been killed off long ago. The majority of teams at SE have vast amounts of respect for FFXI.
>I wouldn't know, I didn't play it much
Clearly.
then why don't they try anything to help them be able to make new content? they can't budget a team to reverse engineer their tools so they can actually release new content and help bring people back to the game? all i see them add is 3 hours of vertical progression every 6 months which keeps pushing the game closer and closer to its death since they keep powercreeping content they add
Why do you care so much about a game you never played? If you had ineould understand your arguments from emotion
Because people in the game *I* like shit on xi for no good reason and constantly want it to shut down
Well they're homosexuals and their opinions don't count for anything
Because everyone knows FFXI wouldn't survive in the existing MMO market, it has nothing to do with a desire to fund the game. SE knows this and the playerbase knows this. It's like when people always talk about why doesn't SE make a FFXI classic server like WoW did. At most you'd get a few thousand people wanting to play it and then they'll fall off after realizing how time consuming those old MMOs used to be.
I mean hell, even look at Horizon recently that peaked around what, 4-5k players? And has dwindled down to around 1-2k players. That is no where near an incentive for a business to devote the effort and money required to reverse engineer their entire game.
FFXI has survived for the past decades off the people that continue to play it regardless of what they shit out which is why they just provide some new carrots on a stick every now and then. Even the Prime weapons are mostly just grinding and not all the difficult to obtain.
>keeps pushing the game closer and closer to its death
This isn't a bad thing. Not every game needs to live on forever. I've been of the opinion that FFXI started dying when they released Abyssea years and years ago. FFXI has survived way past it should have had any right to and that's only because they were able to siphon devs off the success of FFXIV. But obviously it's pretty cyclical because I don't think FFXIV would be as successful as it is today without FFXI but I'm a bit biased as a huge FFXI fan.
>complaining about 14s lack of depth
Yawn, I've been hearing this bullshit for a decade or so now
This game is genuinely better than Asura's Wrath. Frick those morons who told me to play it, I'm emulating right now and you made me waste my time
>he fell for capcom fanboys
The game hid it's true ending behind DLC, come on you should know better.
This, crazy how it got memoryhole'd over the years when it was a big controversy
>Frick those morons who told me to play it
>play it
It's literally just a QTE movie game.
I really enjoyed Asura's Wrath and all I did was watch all the cutscenes on youtube.
the QTEs are pretty smart though and it does feel better to play than to watch, emulation is smooth too you don't need a good pc
Fun fact: Asura's wrath inspired God of War
>Emulating a QTE game that ran like shit on the original hardware from 12 years ago
LOL
So uh was Olivier never there or did Ultima just randomly replace him?
The game was written in Japanese with Koji helping the writer.
Then for the dialogue in the game they wrote it in english first and match the lip sync to that. And then Japanese dialogue had to be fit in the english lip sync.
I like how much effort they put into categorising the lore and story for the game. The active lore book and old guy encyclopedia was nice but once the time skip happens and you unlock the current realm overviews, the detailed story breakdowns on the map where you can just refresh what happened between different story points, the character relations with each other during the story etc it makes actually trying to engage with the game a lot more enjoyable compared to some rpgs where you’re just given basic entries and expected to just remember and piece together all the motivations and elements without anything to recall back to.
is there even a point in visiting the old guy after the lady shows up? the lady's lore organization seems much more useful
Maybe if you want to find something specific since you could search for it. He also unlocks some entries whenever you get enough lore to level him up so you’ll want to visit him every once in a while to check but yeah aside from that Ninetales seems a lot more useful.
>make huge set piece cities
>never actually get to go in any of them
Ah, so it's FF15 all over again
I mean you explore it via some hallways like usual. You don't explore much of Luca in X either.
Creatively Bankrupt Unit 3
>respectful or at least in-line with classic FF designs across the board
>Typhon is a generic ghostly half-body
Ok, so what was he originally supposed to be?
He's usually pic related, but this game is closer to the greek mythological depiction.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhon
kino
>no one posts the music from the first phase with the adds
the music playing during the part where titan gets huge made me cringe
They really didn't give much thought, I know it's supposed to be a callback to XIV Titan but even through post-process filters you'd get pumped hearing Koji's synthesized voice with barely understandable lyrics. Dunno what happened here, definitely doesn't have the same energy despite that being the goal.
>played the demo
>combat seems a bit simplistic
>dialogue was GRR Martin-inspired trash
does it get better?
>Get Ramuh sword
>It doesn't have any effect on Ramuh's abilities.
Seriously, was it really that hard to put the same kind of modifiers in the accesories to the weapons and gear? Even the 2 main weapon stats, damage and stagger, they don't do anything minimally interesting with them even tho you could have maybe a weapon that deals more stagger than damage for example, it's just wait for next weapon with bigher number, what is even the point of separating the 2 stats on the weapon if you aren't going to do anything with it? This is not an MMO, people won't chase the meta in fear of being outcast, this is a singleplayer game.
The RPG mechanics in this game do feel extremely tacked on.
I think they should've moved all the accessory move specific stats to weapons and made the weapon upgrade curve a lot more horizontal instead of straight vertical.
I really don't care about accessories that increase the damage of one move by 10% as it's pretty boring. Slap that on some weapons and let me tweak it for how I play. I should be able to fully customize my existing weapon with added "effects" based off the Eikons that I prefer using. I think it'd be really cool to spend these copious amounts of crafting mats the game throws at me at making specific builds like a sword that focuses on aerial combat, or focuses specifically on garuda abilities, etc.
Yeah. Imagine if each weapon/armor could have its damage upgraded and had a special effect like the legendary powers in Diablo 4 + a materia slot to add in the accessory effects.
Ramuh sword could have basic attacks apply the shotlock debuff. or perhaps change burning blade into an air juggling chain lightning.
Take all the accessories that are plus 10% damage, -2 second CD etc and throw them into weapons. Just like 7R did. Its an extremely minor type of progress but its something, instead you have tons of useless ass accessories. Who the frick would notice a 2.7 cooldown reduction?
>Instead of having a billion weapons you just have Imperial Infantry Blade, Daddy's Sword, the Eikon weapons and Ultima Weapon
>Accessory slots can then be used for Exp/Gil/AP Up, bonus healing and other useful utility shit
>That way its not a game where only the accessory slots matter
I think FFX has the weapon system I'd like the most as you end up with more horizontal and situational sidegrades instead of simply being "DAMAGE NUMBER BIGGER +2"
It really feels weird having such an intricate combat system with no meaningful RPG mechanics built off of it.
>no status effects
>no elemental combos (such as igniting an enemy and using garuda to do bonus damage by fanning the flames)
>no stats off the Eikons to vary the playstyles
I wish Eikons did more to curb the type of playstyle you prefer but I guess they expect you to be swapping them so often that it wouldn't really make sense? I dunno. I just felt they should've done something similar to summons in FF7R where they change your stats or something. Make having Titan out turn you more into a defensive / blocking type. Make having Garuda turn you more into an evasive / stagger type.
Ramuh and Shiva are the closest thing to status ailment types in this game.
Also, if all the Eikons just scaled off a specific stat, it would be a bit limiting in some regard. At best you'd have to scale some off strength and some off magic.
Does anyone use those 1500ish expensive ass moves on the skill tree? I assume their cooldown is like twice as long so it just seems pointless to invest in them. Those honestly should have been special limit break moves
All of them besides the Phoenix and Garuda one's are pretty good. They do a ton of damage.
I just got the Ramuh one and it does a shit ton of damage.
My go to for when I stagger something is always big ramuh move > ramuh move that is a copy of that one Dragon's Dogma move > fire wisp thing to trigger it a whole bunch > limit break
I do also use Lightning Rod and Wisps, but I use Ignition into the rod+dude so I just proc the rod a ton. Gouge was okay for it too but honestly Ignition is insane. Low cooldowns, vacuums enemies up too. You can even do it the other way an Ignition groups into the rod and wisp combo.
I dropped Gauge the second I got Titan. Now I just have both the counter moves from garuda / titan and it shreds stagger bar
They’re nice for damage. Garuda one is kinda ass since it’s a pain to actually hit anything once it’s swirling around but Pheonix is good for mob clearing and you can get an accessory which reduces its CD which is nice.
Yes, they help me get the 50k stagger damnagr and your cool downs still lower when you pause time https://streamable.com/u1ry9j
A timely reminder:
MMO devs = MMO quality = Do not Play
It does look really cool/fun, but I'll wait for PC port. I don't want to choose between visual fidelity and performances.
There is something worse than being mid .
It's being forgettable, FFXVI is forgettable.
>this game doesn't have enough blacks
>this game doesn't have enough powerful women
>the homosexuals in this game aren't gay enough
Lol what the frick is up with all the hitpieces....
Is it just me or is the romance between Clive and Jill easily the best we had in the longest time? Like when was the last time we got such a good couple that actually goes far?
It's just you
Yes. It's very tender and sweet. They help each other overcome their own trauma. She is barely even leaving his side, when they are separated she's writing him letters like a gigantic awkward virgin she is. Among mainline FF it's second only to X, and unlike Xenoblade 3 it doesn't fumble with execution since Noah/Mio romance effectively stops in chapter 6.
CliveXJill is good if the only thing you care about is the main chracter not being a virgin by the end.
I enjoyed Tidus + Yuna a lot but Clive + Jill was a lot more well done in this game.
The ending felt a lot more sad with TIdus + YUna though.
You felt the extreme inevitability of Tidus disappearing for hours leading up to it, so it just comes to a head at once.
With Clive you get several huge hints at his survival. Tidus is just gone until the sequel asspulled him back.
XB3's couple was top tier honestly made me continue playing it longer than I would have without it.
For an FF though? No clue.
It's a fantasy based on anime clichés. I won't take shit from you if you think this is good but Naruto is bad.
The Titan Lost music was fricking trash. What works in FF14 10 years ago does not work for a big budget game in 2023.
>Writes planet cancer into story, never writes a solution and is left hanging.
>Adds himself as a tragic character with a tomboy girlfriend, doesn't write himself fricking her
>Grounds the story, but then adds insane elements like space battles and aliens
>Introduces cast of villains and turns them into prostitutes, cucks and motherlusting alienfrickers for no reason
>writes his own mommy issues into the book as villain and unceremoniously kills them
Was Joshua just an incredibly shitty writer and nobody cares because it's just a fairy tale
children's novel? Is Joshua the JK Rowling of his world?
What's with all the recent FF games having break gages anyway?
13 came up with it and we've had to suffer with it since
I wish we'd get an FF game with KH combat but oh well
Stagger system? Its cool I guess. I still think 13 did it the best but the idea is BIG NUMBERS and damage windows.
KH will forever be too floaty. I do like the core design of LVL1 runs being possible and stuff having base damage. I still haven't gotten around to playing 3 but honestly I'd probably replay KH2FM since I haven't done it in like 10 years.
Any good Clive porn yet?
Not that I've seen
does this even happen?
Yeah, it's a flashback he has when Joshua's dying at the very end. There's also a really cute scene of newborn Joshua holding 5 yr-old Clive's finger.
They kiss on the lips about 60% into the game and fuse Eikons
Is it me, or is the game just Tales of Arise again?
>Plot is about slavery and transitions to ayy lmao slavers
>Most of the gameplay elements only work in trash fights and fall apart in bosses
>The game takes place in mostly smaller zones or narrow corridors
>Barely competent dungeons and side content
yeah yet somehow even more dumbed down
A worse version since Tales has amusing characters at least, and far better writing in general.
Yeah I've never heard anyone talk about that game before but I'm sure its true
As much as I dislike XVI I'd have to disagree. The tales series overall writing is generally far, far worse between stuff like Tales of Graces and Tales of Arise. What they do better though is actually incorporating the party as part of the adventure which XVI does almost zero of.
Skits have always sucked massive dick though
Tales has or rather had better character writing compared to FF thanks to skits fleshing them out.
16's core plot is still better than Arise from what I've played so far although relegating the majority of the characterization and shit to sidequests that barely anyone wants to play was idiocy especially when you consider their choices for the plot relevant ones. Why the frick was the feeding the bearers in Oriflamme or the crystal smuggling thing a sidequest and they put the quest where you have to go find some girl's stalker a main one?
The majority of the mechanics also work on bosses unlike Arise where the combat practically shuts down and devolves into spam Alphen's break to keep them under control.
>Tales has or rather had better character writing compared to FF thanks to skits fleshing them out.
More writing doesn't always equal better writing. The general quality of writing in Tales games is pretty poor. It's very standard anime tropes like what you'd see out of all those 6/10 animes that come out every season. I say this as a Tales fan that generally enjoys the campiness of the games. I just wouldn't ever argue that the writing is all that good.
Notice that I said character writing and not overall writing. The characters are one of the few things that Tales of had over its counterparts because they put in the effort for the player to learn about them instead of just the MC and whoever it is that SE wanted to shill.
>Notice that I said character writing
I know you did and I still stand by my original point.
You have skits with overall more character interaction but that doesn't mean the quality of the writing is better.
>because they put in the effort for the player to learn about them
Again, not always does more writing mean better writing. Take Arise for example. Outside of Alphen and Kisara, the other characters barely get expanded upon outside their tropes that they're based off of. Dohalim barely even feels like a character compared to them. Law and Shionne are briefly touched upon but it's mostly one or two cutscenes each depicting their backstory.
Skits are cute, sure, and they add character. But I wouldn't really call it really good writing compared to anything else.
>Take Arise for example
You mean the Tales of game with one of the weakest casts in the franchise to the point that even people who don't like the series complain about the characters being weak even for Tales of standards?
Its just you.
honestly i thought the same thing
Cold snap should last forever but it doesn't because that would be fun
It is insane how good ff16 is. I'm having a hard time keeping myself from playing it a third time.
Why do shills come to Ganker and do the "OMG Ganker is so bad, I hate Ganker, Ganker has bad taste, Ganker BTFO!" shtick?
It gets (You)'s. General discussion with well thought out points doesn't.
>shills
Or just people who are tired of literally any big game getting doomposting about.
I don't mind slowing the pacing down, like after a 30m Titan sequence, but atleast make the stuff you do interesting. The Mid stuff with her ship was such a slog.
Not really.
The combat has depth and is fun but rest of the game feels shallow. Also, MMO errands are ass when it happens in the side quests, and it's triple ass when they force me to do them in the main story missions.
They really should have trimmed the fat from the main story missions.
Yeah it is. Literally the best boss battle games we had in ages, I cannot recall a time when it was so good. Story is extremely enjoyable and a wild ride. Annabella is the GOAT.
Final Fantasy XVI: Rosarian Edition on PC is going to be so good in 3-4 years.
god Jill fricking sucks
Iron kingdom dick
Jill was such a useless fricking b***h. She barely ever helps you or primes. Frick that waifubait trash.
Thinking back to the story I actually do think they were sexist making her. She doesn't help you with Titan, stands there doing nothing against Bahamut, doesn't defend you from the alien dude at Oriflamme etc.
Should have not even made her an eikon.
The excuse is that she’s sick from years of being forced to turn into Shiva but that doesn’t seem to stop Dion from actually doing shit.
And Joshua, that dude goes crazy transforming when he's sick since birth.
Dion probably doesn't take the field that often. They had her make fricking mist to cross the sea on raids.
Active time lore said the only reason Dion's dad is on the throne is because Dion was Bahamut. That guy was such an ungrateful dumbass.
I didn’t understand this. How did he make Olivier emperor if it’s not a hereditary position in the first place? If he abdicates why don’t the cardinals vote on who replaces him.
There’s a song about all his exploits on the battlefield. The scene at the dragoon camp opens with him being bandaged and his bf begging him only to use Bahamut as a last resort, the implication being that he’s suffering from the curse the same as Jill.
She had to use a lot of power on the entire drake breath journey, from creating mist for covering to stopping lava with her primed form to giving Clive enough power to break the crystal heart.
Dion barely morb before his boss battle at all. He was just used as a nuclear deterrent. Fully morbing comes with a great risk of getting petrified.
Dion has been fighting Waloed for years both as Bahamut and not, they were just too lazy to think of anything for Jill besides Clive needing a wife
The Empire was fighting Waloed for years.
Dion most of the time just stand there and stare at Barnas because them fighting almost always end up in a stalemate. The one time we saw them fight lasted like 10 seconds.
Not everyone is Clive and can prime for 5 hours without dying. Titan tried that and turned into dried cum.
>Dion stood there most of the time
Are you moronic, the game explicitly says otherwise.
It's cause titan turned into titan prime or whatever.
Oh noooooo she had to create mist....
Ifrit doing the Spirit Bomb fake out like in the Frieza saga is probably the best thing I've witnessed in modern games
>Fail the Typhon QTE on purpose
>Have a dramatic back and forth that ends with him smuggly dropping Hellfire
So is this ring worth it, or is it overrated?
I've been using it, seems really good. Basically gives you a brief limit break after dodging. Don't think it's a full limit break as you don't get health back, but it makes your next combo stronger
Definitely better than random move does 8% more damage.
Most accessories suck anyways. These things need fricking numbers. How much extra Attack stat, how long, does it stack infinitely?
It would be ok if it wasn't because it locks you into an annoying animation everytime you dodge.
This shit is THE SHIT, is absolutely broken and fun
>Market the game as a le dark Game of Thrones knockoff
>Go over the top on grimdark shit with almost zero levity
>Fill the rest of the game with chuuni autistic nonsense that turns the game into Asura's Wrath for 30 minutes at a time
Yoshi-P is based, I wouldn't be surprised if half of this was stuff he's wanted to do but XIV's engine can't handle
I'm having a lot of fun doing the hunts. I like the combat system. There's enough here to satisfy me, and plenty of abilities I haven't tried yet. It feels like 14 in story and quest design but with actual fun gameplay.
I wonder why cbu3 hates rpg elements so much though.
i can explain as a long time xiv and xi player, and it's actually really simple and yoshida has said it multiple times, it's because it's too hard to balance. He does not think elemental resistances, debuffs, stats outside of damage defense and HP, and actual real choice add anything to RPGs. In XIV yoshida mains black mage, the class that offers nothing to a party except DPS, so that's all he personally cares about. He was also an autistic minmaxer in dark age of camelot and everquest, and a power gamer in ultima online.
Then he's lazy or incompetent
no he's incredibly meticulous and a perfectionist and nearly works himself to death but he only fricking values vertical progression, and is terrified of moronic players making the "wrong" choices so he spends all of his direction efforts removing that possibility
Yeah he saved an mmo a few years ago, that's not impressive anymore, tired of everyone patting him on the back. Seems like this game didn't perform well either so he failed as a producer, which is insane because 14 has been getting even less content than usual
I agree he saved 1.0 after 1.16 but that was literally 11 fricking years ago and that game doesn't even exist anymore
>ShB and EW were the best expansions, as well as the newest
>FFXVI is very well received
Sounds like he's still doing good work
He was ironically too trusting.
From the interviews he seems to have a very laissez-faire way of managing the game and basically didn't interfere with the development at all.
Given that FFXVI is worst than every single FFXIV expansion he probably should have been more involved.
Unlike 14 it's actually fun to play, so it's better than anything in that game.
Yeah gameplay(and visual obliviously) is better because anything is better than mmo gameplay but for the rest?
Worst story, worst characters,worst visual world design,worst RPG elements.
Even the pacing is similar when this should not be the case in a comparison between a solo game and an MMO.
Learn english
>worse than ARR
No.
I don't really count ARR as an expansion, but I guess it's technically one. I do think 16 is better than ARR.
To be fair, a lot of times elemental resistances are lazily implemented and all of the relevant endgame enemies are neutral or resist everything anyway.
I'd only really be interested in an elemental system in an ARPG if it made enemies react and vary themselves based on what element you tagged them with. Such as the pirates in KH2 for example.
The issue in FF16 is more that its a game that should be designed around horizontal progression and skill expression by having gear that available that benefits whatever arbitrary style that the player decides to do. For example, a build that's focused around Heatwave/Rook's Gambit/etc or a Titan focused loadout with more damage and reduced CDs, etc
The leaker wasn’t joking when he said that Dion’s boyfriend sucks. He looks like a rando NPC and has no personality outside of being subservient.
Too many characters, can't develop them all. Its not like they waste that much time on it.
Just feels kind of stupid to have included it at all for what it is.
k i n o
Everything from here to Typhon is the peak of the game
Nah the Bahamut stuff is the peak, you just have to suffer through some Mid fetch quests to get there
Nah I think he comes from an MMO perspective where if you do have these things, it changes who you bring or how you gear up. Okay this is an ice enemy, so if you don't have frost resistance the fight is near impossible. If you have it, the fight is trivial. How is this good design either way? Or the reverse, where enemies are weak to certain things so you fill out a party to capitalize on it and leave others to do nothing. I think X sorta solved this with instant swaps, the characters comes in still taking a full turn, and then you can design fights around everything.
Player characters just need their own weakness, then along comes Persona to do it.
>press X to cope is kino now
I bet you think this is peak gaming
I really wish more thought went into chest rewards. Clearing 10 enemies to get to a random chest that has 25 gil in it feels like absolute shit.
I think I'm about 20-30 hours in and I've probably only found 3 chests with actual equipment in them. The game really needs more exciting incentives for exploration.
Hunts are cool, but drip feeding them in feels bad. I would've loved to run across Atlas as an example the first time I went into that area and just have him push my shit in. Instead you have to wait for specific points in the story when they decide to just spawn them there.
I don't understand the complaints about side quests. People keep memeing that they're "MMO quests" but I can't recall a game with side quests that weren't. They're always low effort fetch quests and I don't really care about that. What I do enjoy is they add a lot of character to some of the side characters like hearing about Otto's past with Cid. Also seeing evolution of characters through time skips has been pretty cool.
So is there really no reward for doing any of the Stage Replay / Arcade stuff? even if you get S rank on all of them? I assume there's a trophy or something.
But do you really not get any in-game rewards...?
Use Bahamut
my god the gameplay never changes, how putrid
I can't believe the eikons don't change how clove behaves.....like more movespeed for Garuda, but less defense or something
The game didn't need elemental resistance; that shit is ass in any action game. Even Dragon's Dogma whole elemental resistance stuff ends up just becoming 'use holy'.
But the amount of content the actual gameplay portion of the game has is laughably bad.
I don't really want resistances. I just want interaction between Eikons.
Right now I feel the customization boils down to "do i want to focus AoE or stagger single target" and that's about it.
What I'd prefer is if I could do shit like make a tornado with Garuda and then swap to Phoenix and light it on fire
Elden Ring has elemental resistance and it's fine. It's not like I want some bosses to have full immunity to some element or anything but having more number and stats to min max with is good.
FRICK! when will we have another game like this but with good RPG complexity? FRICKING DAMN IT! I love FF16 but it still feel so much of a waste.
Octopath traveler 2
If my character doesn't do an anime move with flame bursting out of his ass when I press a button your game is automatically dog shit.
shut the frick up b***h and buy 10 copies. I need OT3.
FF16 is DMC6. It's not a Souls game. You are wanting it to be smth it's not.
Elemental resistances fricking suck for character action games, just like color coded weapons for color coded enemies like DmC. It's amateur level game design for char action games, that's why good ones don't do it. Stop whining about the game not being what you want it to be and accept it on its own terms.
I don't give a FRICK what "muh genre" shit you think each game is, b***h.
You have to dodge block and hit the boss in ER.
You have to dodge block and hit the boss in DMC. Why can't DMC have min max 10 line of stats gear? Why can't we have the exact same world as ER but the player can chain 10 different skills into a combo? Take that "X-like" buzzword wiener out of your mouth and give me a concrete answer.
The first half of the game where you mostly play as 28yo Clive should have been linear and more condensed. In the second half the game should have turned into MGSV where you forcibly recruit Branded people from captivity as Cid The Vicious.
MATING PRESS TARJA
Is it ever explained why Wade could facetank the fire explosion when Joshua turned into Phoenix?
Definitely a detail we need explained to us. I lost sleep this week wondering the same thing
Don't think about it too hard
did they not give gav an eyepatch because then it'd be too obvious that he's just a riol expy?
How did Hugo go full Titan in the deadlands? Aren't you supposed to not be able to use any kind of magic there? Or is the deadlands different from the Blight?
Dominants can prime from their internal aether, unlike bearers who only channel external aether, but it costs them heavily - furthering the toll of the crystal curse.
I like that this game keeps getting better as you go. It was quite the opposite for 13 and 15.
Is Dorys meant to be Tarja's sister?
for the people that are way ahead.
Is there an ultima weapon? Ruby Weapon? Something soulful? anything...i'll even settle down for a cactus
You unlock ultima weapon on Final Fantasy mode in NG+
No.
No and this is the only appearance of Cactuars in the game
You will take your hunt board moogle, and you'll like it.
Fricka you gaijin
>PS5 exclusive
My interest and smile: gone.
I want to frick Mid
This boat building quest for Mid is actually not even mid. It's straight up dogshit.
> You want kino boss fight? Fetch me 100 chicken legs, kill 40 dogs in the forest and give me a cunnilingus first, slave!
>Time to pick my mission
>Select Blue Icon of Exploration
>Objective: Collect 2 Rabbit Furs
>Use 1,000 hit combo
>5% damage on 1 rabbit
>Hmmm....Better limit break just in case
>Rabbit eventually dies after 15 minutes and 2 attacks towards the player
>1 fur obtained!
>Quest marker updates
>Ok time to go through the shimmy wall
>Wait 15 seconds to shimmy "NOT LOAD"
>Follow Blue Marker to next rabbit
>Now this is KINO
Everyone was warned.
Do people still think shimmy walls are load screens? You can teleport from Rosalith's map and its unique assets, to the Empire in like 2 seconds of black screen. Rosalith->Empire->Hideaway->Dhalmek area is probably a total of 15 seconds of black screen loading.
I have simply posted an accurate old pasta regarding the poor quality of side quests to come.
>shimmy walls
I know this may come off as a shill comment, but I actively like how quick the shimmies are in this game.
Going through a small slit in a wall or shimmying across a ledge is super fast compared to these other Sony titles where it takes for fricking ever. FF7R was really bad with this, so many of these god damn sections that take like 30+ seconds
After typing this I realize how pathetic of a praise this is, but I really do appreciate it.
I don't mind slowing pacing down, but killing it entirely is wild to me. Like one of those tasks should have sufficed, not doing 3 of them.
I'm fine with it actually. It's like edging when I want to jack off but ended up playing a dlsite hentai game for 4 hours.
LMAO GET FRICKED
I was surprised when that happened. I'm not even sure why, it just caught me off guard
The game need more moments of Clive just chatting with various party members
>more random conversations with Jill
>more random conversations with Byron
>etc.
I love Clive's random remarks to Torgal but they're just too far and few between.
>medieval Zell walks in
>gf really enjoying watching as i play through
>she's really invested in the story
>went on a business trip for 3 days
>standing right outside drake's tail after fighting a dragon
>asked me to stop playing and wait until she's back
God fricking damnit. People keep saying the Bahamut part is kino too
AHHHHHHHHHHHHH I WANT TO PLAY
Uncle Byron is based
He's the best, I like how Clive never seems particularly bothered by him acting like a clown and instead enjoys the company. It's a stark difference to how dour he is all the time with Jill.
I like FFXVI, but Jill fricking sucks. Complete jobber, even as Shiva. Jill's design sucks too. There are better looking NPCs than her. Her VA sucks too.