FFXVI was a massive flop and Square's stock price tanked.
I guess that's what happens when you betray Nintend𐐬
FFXVI was a massive flop and Square's stock price tanked.
FFXVI was a massive flop and Square's stock price tanked.
I guess that's what happens when you betray Nintend𐐬
Time to bring back Sleeping Dogs.
God, I wish. Square fricked over the dev team so hard, they closed down.
Isn't Sleeping Dogs coming from Eidos side of Square Enix? They already jettisoned Tomb Raider and Hitman out of their scope, and Deus Ex and Thief are in limbo, I wouldn't have much hope.
They're apart of Embracer so they're probably dead dead now.
>there are anons itt who don't eat pork bun
They will never be true men.
Not a single whole man amongst them.
As if. Square hates money.
No. They should let sleeping dogs lie.
>you now remember that sleeping dogs triad wars was a thing
The studio already went under few years back. It's over, anon. We had a great loss.
Get on Steam or die together with the Playstation 5.
It takes an incredible amount of arrogance for a 3rd party to think they can publish a very expensive AAA game on a single platform. Like it's 2003, everyone owns a PS2, and Final Fantasy is still one of the big boys.
The market has clearly changed and the kids are playing Fortnight, Roblox, and Gacha. Steam has been dominant for over a decade. The PS5 has yet to achieve the kind of saturation of the PS4 and possibly never will. And I think a lot of us who grew up w/the series have just moved on after years of mediocre games.
>Get on Steam or die together with the Playstation 5.
basically, yeah. They clearly took Sony's dirty money, probably thinking that next gen the Xbox and Nintendo would be in the ground, and that the FF brand was soo strong they wouldn't have to publish on Steam.
Don't worry. SE has realized their mistake and are changing gears. They're going after the biggest platform there is.
This and the previous generations really proved how non-nintendo exclusives cannot financially succeed on any platform. Look at anything that took Timmy's EGS money for timed exclusivity, literally nobody is buying stuff on EGS unless it's Fortnite-related because that's the only reason anybody even has the application installed for and these games' sales only hit mainstream numbers after going on Steam.
>Im terrible mad that Yoshi took the Sony bribe
Now this was never his decision to make, S-E bean counters are extremely moronic and non-adaptive so they obviously planned FF16's exclusivity without Yoshi's involvement. It's unfortunate that he's the one who has to bear honorabru responsibility for having the game release on a console people STILL don't own and with an existing playerbase that has zero interest in the Final Fantasy brand, no matter what the actual entry's gameplay is like.
>generations really proved how non-nintendo exclusives cannot financially succeed on any platform.
That's why it's been released on literally everything else anon?
After being a timed exclusive on the Switch for a year?
I honestly dont know anyone that bought a Switch because of Rise, was that really a thing? Did sales increase because of it?
I honestly don't know why Nintendo would pay for MHR to stay off PC for a year and two years for PS/Xbox for a game that wasn't going to help move Switch units.
They'll just rush development of the next FF MMO, then use its success to pump out another half dozen overbudget single player FF games with the Nomura© name on it. And the cycle continues.
Square already cancelled the planned full MMO successor to 14. The next online FF is going to be a Genshin-like, they expedited production on that in 2022.
>massive (and only) success with their mmo
>"nah let's cancel the sequel and make a game in a dying genre when genshin itself is at its lowest playercount to date"
Ubisoft-tier decision making.
The last time they tried to replace a successful MMO was XIV1.0
Just remember XIV is a fluke and they fricking know it. But the current state of XIV isn't really exploiting its MMO nature. Most players barely interact with any of the actual MMO aspects of the game, and the game itself basically boils down to using the main towns or housing as player hubs, with gigantic parts of the game world sitting empty and not being used for anything, the world environments themselves are basically just bowls full of themed assets you run around progressing the main quest, but they offer almost no interactivity or effect on gameplay.
>Q1 earnings
>FF16 came out in Q2
wow
woah
>t. literally illiterate
It was their Q2 earnings report.
It's August moron.
homie you do know that FY (fiscal year) starts on April 1 and ends on March 31 right? Did you even read the financial statements?
Not him, but Square's FY starts in April? I actually didn't know that, I assumed the dude in OP's pic fricked up
>In Japan, the government's financial year is from 1 April to 31 March. Japan's income tax year is 1 January to 31 December, but corporate tax is charged according to the corporation's own annual period; most Japanese corporations elect their annual period to follow the government fiscal year (1 April to 31 March).
Yup
What a backwards country.
Some companies offset their quarters so it does not use calendar quarters. Things that actual working adults know.
Dumb frick, I'm an accountant, I was asking because it's like 90% start on Jan 1.
>Dumb frick
You are in no position to use that word toward anyone
No, you are the dumb frick.
Most US companies begin their fiscal year in January, so I was naturally surprised that the Japanese company begins in April.
But that's wrong? Most US companies also begin their fiscal year in April because that's the date US taxes are built around.
nope
lmao I don't know what kind of refute that is trying to backpedal to "but muh American companies" but you even said yourself not all American companies follow calendar...
So you still are a dumb frick
How have you not touched the third rail yet?
>namegay
Final Fantasy is unironically boomer core now. Releasing more of them in the current climate is like making new westerns in the vein of Wagon Train or The Rifleman in the 90's. Nobody's interested, the world's moved on. If FF's going to continue it's going to have to become either a live service platform like destiny or fortnite, or be relegated to quaint little "throwback" games made on the cheap. The next numbered FF game is going to either look like a SNES game or look like a ps1 game.
You know I kinda actually agree with you because FF16 was really good game but sold slower than worse games like FF13 and 15. The only thing that changed is that the FF audience got older and is not capturing the attention of zoomers and younger demographics. The next FF games will have to push bear sex beastiality to sell.
>FF16 was really good game
stopped reading there, still waiting for a good FF while replaying the old games
They tried
Did Games of Thrones inspired mean homosex everywhere?
>”The next FF games will have to push bear sex beastiality to sell.”
>FFIX remake lets you have sex with Freya
>sells a bazillion copies
Couldn’t hurt to try
>FFIX remake lets you have sex with Freya
just like my mimonel doujins
I dont think they're going to have to court degenerates. But they're gonna be better served making games more directly and aesthetically evocative of the games their older millennial audience has nostalgia for.
>"I want them to make more Nomura games, for me"
you could just say it that way
That's what'll probably sell. I'd personally want wonky 2.5d games with really wild art styles more similar to the amano art used from the earlier games. But they'll never do it. Partially because they need to market FF characters in japan as fricking fashion models and have tie in merch.
Or maybe they could start making RPGs again. There is a reason Dragon Quest never fell off like FF has.
>2 DQ producers left SE recently
>another DQ producer is on a non-DQ game Foamstars
>DQXII is still in the prototyping/recruitment phase
>DQ3 Remake is MIA
>DQX offline and DQ Treasures weren't a hit last year
>action-based Infinity Strash is the only DQ game announced for this year
https://www.gematsu.com/2023/03/dragon-quest-series-chief-producer-ryutaro-ichimura-leaves-square-enix
https://gamerant.com/dragon-quest-producer-ryota-aomi-leaves-square-enix/
https://blog.playstation.com/2023/05/24/foamstars-a-fresh-new-party-shooter-revealed-for-ps5-and-ps4/
https://twitter.com/GameDataLibrary/status/1572963500930088963
https://gamingbolt.com/dragon-quest-treasures-sells-over-143000-units-on-japanese-retail-debut
https://noisypixel.net/infinity-strash-dragon-quest-the-adventure-of-dai-september-2023-worldwide-release/
DQdads.... what do we do?
blame yoshitpiss, duh
>2 DQ producers left SE recently
Who? The main two guys are still there.
>another DQ producer is on a non-DQ game Foamstars
Who? Also, you realize most DQ games are outcourced, right? Enix doesn't make any of the games. Nothing is stopping a DQ developer from working on other games and a DQ game. Chunsoft has been doing this for 30 years.
>DQ3 Remake is MIA
It'll release eventually. It's stupid how tons of people keep demanding it though. It's a soft reboot of a game you can play on SNES right now...
>DQX offline and DQ Treasures weren't a hit last year
Define "hit." Treasures did fine. DQX Offline was a dumb concept and I'm glad it failed. I hope they just give in and turn the online version into a single player game. Though they still won't release it to the west out of stubborn pride.
They don't have to be RPGs, they just have to be good. All of the competent people in SE either left or are relegated to small roles.
there are more dragon quest games that aren't RPGs than are
Okay? The core DQ games have always been very similar RPGs that haven't felt the need to reinvent themselves. They're confident in their gameplay instead of trying to chase trends.
>They're confident in their gameplay instead of trying to chase trends.
so I guess you haven't heard about the new one
The new one is still turn based. He's just changing the mechanics. He even said this. But since you only listen to shit sites like Polygon who lie, you were told "OMG it's a Dark Souls like Mature ARPG!"
They're changing it? I thought they were confident with their gameplay and weren't chasing trends?
https://nichegamer.com/dragon-quest-xii-new-battle-system-interesting/
>I’ve already said it, but I’ll say it again. First of all, the command battles of the past will be completely redesigned. How we will do it is still a secret, but we have already made a prototype, and while playing the game with the staff, we are convinced that it will be a lot of fun.
They're still going to be command based. But he's changing it somehow. Which he hasn't revealed. Western gaming "journalists" took this and started claiming it was going to be anything from an ARPG like FF7 Remake to a Dark Souls game. Based on literally nothing. And their readers ate it up, like the idiots they are.
After they tried to make the combat action based in DQ9, Japan almost rioted. And so they're not going to do that again. Most likely we're going to get some quazi turn based thing like Final Fantasy XII or KOTOR.
Why would they completely redesign something they're confident in? That kind of sounds like trendchasing.
We'll have to see what they do to see why they decided to change it. It might not even be that big of a change. Like just having the ability to move and do commands on the field. Or Chrono Trigger like range/combos. But everything is pure speculation until we see the game come out.
Only if you are counting spinoffs. All the mainline games are RPGs.
>inb4 t-those aren't r-real rpgs because I can't make an ocdonut steal homosexual
FF burnt all the good will of its fans years ago.
Its a has-been franchise.
This, the franchise used to mean something, it mattered to the industry but now no one cares
>but now no one cares
Kind of
>concerns about Final fantasy franchise profitability
lmao, they've done nothing but damage the brand since XII.
FF name is carried by the Squaresoft games and the MMO
XVI is a good game but after XIII and XV, it needed to be a masterpiece
Well, the series' reputation comes solely from games that are over 20 years old.
An entire gen was based on one FF game and the one afterwards only got one game that was just DLC bait. XIII was shit and the only reason why people had hopes for XV was because back when it was known as XIII Versus, they expected that to be the good game.
>and if he took the Sony bribe then he may take the ESG one.
Take a guess where all the new SE games PC ports release first
>FF name is carried by the Squaresoft games and the MMO
The MMO is also pure garbage unless you mean XI
>become either a live service platform like destiny or fortnite
they tried that on mobile and its failed multiple times consistently
Aren’t both of the final fantasy mobile games doing ok? I think the ff15 mobile game tanked but the ones with all the characters in them are doing fine
They release a great number of them, many of which were so shit that you've never heard of them like the FF7 mobile battle royale that went EOS in less than a year.
Forspoken's exploding dick syndrome of profit failure is going to be one of the most fricked up things to ever screw over Square. And that's not even getting into the previous CEO's blockchain obsession that the new one followed up on.
Isn't it basically Exvius and Theatrythm or something? First Soldier shut down, another one hit EoS and shut down, Kingdom Hearts hit EoS and became a cutscene viewer which they're trying to amend with another game that will probably not last that long.
>FFRK is doing okay in Japan but it's nearly 10 years old
>FFBE is ancient, but still alive
>FFDOO is circling the drain in Japan
>FFWOTV is rushing towards EOS, with the western and JP servers merging soon
things are looking grim
They need to do something completely fresh, I feel like the last decade of FF designs/art style/world has been so fricking boring and basic, there is nothing interesting or magical about them
They need to bring back the crystal fantasy aesthetic.
There isn't even a cohesive style anymore.
Its just a bunch of anime scene kids in random scenarios and has been since 13.
honestly since 10
>Its just a bunch of anime scene kids in random scenarios and has been since 13.
It's been that way since 4.
Since 7, which is pretty apparent when 7's character designer redesigned every previous game's main character for a crossover fighting game.
fair enough but if 7 was just a one and done style thing it be fine.
I don't think 7 became an issue until Advent Children.
With FF15 being the worst contender
i mean, the frick can you do
the series started as D&D ripoffs, then they threw dieselpunk magitek on top, then they went like everything between magical sci-fi and pure fantasy over and over and over and over.
fricking Sonic is more consistent than Final Fantasy at this point, I don't think FF can really do "fresh" unless you literally put it on an alien planet with no human anime people around at all
The early games were great. It was like you were following a magical world's development through its industrial revolution as each entry iterated upon the last and made it bigger. They lost the plot entirely after going 3D and it just became schizo tech like you said, but the core is there.
The thing is I still think artistically those early 3D games from VII to X are all wonderful and distinct. It was the last time Square's art team focused on some semblance of substance and consistency to their style. You see VII's world, you see how most of it is generally villages and small towns but anyone getting kickbacks from Shinra are notably more industrialized. Shit like that made the worlds feel distinct.
Then you play XIII and it's like the artists got to go nuts but nothing makes sense and most of the art is glorified skybox dressing. Ivalice was never super fanciful, being more grounded than most of the series, and XII was incredibly generic with basically everything but character/monster designs. XIV and XVI are all over the fricking place on the fantasy spectrum, and XV is 90% nondescript 90's Americana and Italy and it honestly all blends together.
Losing all their old, signature talent and focusing on style over substance killed these things hard.
Lmao wtf do you want? 16 literally went back to "medievil" FF after you homosexuals pissed and shit yourselves over "modern" Final Fantasy's.
You Black folk dont know what you want
>16 literally went back to "medievil" FF after you homosexuals pissed and shit yourselves over "modern" Final Fantasy's.
No, it just tried to jump on the western grimdark trend. It didn't go back to the medieval style old FF games had. Which is what people were asking for.
You mean like 12? That people also shat on?
I don't get your comparison because 12 wasn't medieval at all. And wasn't like older FF games. And wasn't like FF16 either.
>And wasn't like older FF games.
1997 and 2003 were before 2006 so literally speaking that's untrue
Thanks for proving you dont know what older FF games were, fricking zoomer moron
>I have no argument
FF12 wasn't like FF1-9 at all. It even failed at being an Ivalice game.
What an assanine comment. 7 and 9 were nothing alike for example. Thanks again for proving you are a zoomer Black person
>7 and 9 were nothing alike for example.
And FF12 wasn't like them either. Thanks for proving my point, idiot.
Black person keep your arguement straight? You don't even remmeber what you are arguing
12 is unironically the last good FF game but no one wants to admit it.
exactly this
people are tired of cutscene corridors and generic medieval fantasy
the cultural impact of versus XIII/XV will be evergreen even as a failure
agni's philosophy will be remembered
nobody cares about 16 and ESGspoken
And yet they don't want to appeal to the boomer audiences at all.
What is their business plan really?
What's going on in their moronic brain?
>Old fans will be buying the game anyway, because
>We will get plenty of new fans by appealing to them
>With the old fans and new fans combined, we will be raking in money like crazy!!
>What's going on in their moronic brain?
"Oh crap, giving too much power to the people behind Advent Children has completely killed our series' reputation for the past fifteen years and we don't know how to recover from this"
The new Yakuza and Persona 5 show big budget turn based JRPGS are viable, but their budgets are much smaller than the new FF (which have great visuals but are shallower)
people always have these ultra brainlet takes on why something fails
they'll make up literally any excuse to not just admit it's an uninteresting game, it couldn't possibly be that, it MUST be because the uh... market conditions.... the new generation wants something uh.... times have changed..... the modern audience.... the game is literally perfect so it MUST be something else!!!
Nowhere did thry say it was perfect, sounds like you are making up stories to fit your narrative
alternatively a lot of people will make up any excuse to pretend something is worse than it actually is
but now, that's crazy talk, or as the kids call it "cope"
>DMC/Bayonettagays don't like the game because it has 20hrs of cutscenes interrupting gameplay in a 30hr game. And gameplay is braindead until you finish it and start over in new game plus anyway.
>HBO/Netflix watchers don't play games and unanimously agree that GoT, from which the game copypasted several character archetypes without transferring what made said characters interesting, went to shit after Season 5.
>Sony movie game gays are turned off by the anime jrpg shlock the game turns into by the final arc.
>Yoshida cult MMOtrannies are either too lazy to get a PS5 for one game, or those who do have to desperately justify their thrash purchase.
>Classic FF gays dislike the game because it inverts the roles and puts the hero in a position of destroying that which the series originally stood up for, that is, the divine transcendental things that endure through the transient worldliness of men, typically represented by the crystals or otherwise divine forces (the lifestream in 7, Aeons/Fayth/Memories of beloved ones in 10, gods and the crystal line in 11). They are substituted in favor of Maehiro going full fedora neckbeard.
And people wonder why XVI sold like shit.
You already posted your dumb copypasta in this thread, Emetroon
never implied the game was perfect or even good, the games an unfocused mess in a lot of respects, trying to be an RPG but not one that will be comfortable to old fans of FF or even modern jrpg fans who jumped on with stuff like Persona 5. On the flip side it's trying to also be an action game, that isn't deep or as engaging as games it's trying to ape like Devil May Cry. So it's kind of alienating to both core audiences who'd want to play it just on the way the game plays alone. Add to that the Game of Thrones inspiration probably turned a lot of more casual people away from the game outright because who in the west isn't fricking sick of Game of Thrones and it's rote court and dagger style medieval stank.
All of these things are contributing factors to why it didn't explode like they wanted it to. The root cause of this however, is Squeenixes inability to take a step back and see that the market's changed and they can't bank on FF as a name alone anymore to move units, not if they're gonna be blowing this kinda cash on games with 5+ year dev cycles. It's just not feasible.
they literally discarded their old fans and have actively been trying to get new fans. They talk about it all the time when they talk about their gameplay design decisions
>they literally discarded their old fans and have actively been trying to get new fans.
Shockingly, it took Yoshida to do it. Even after a decade of Versus/FFXV, three Lightning games, and two MMORPGs. You gays are stubborn bastards.
And it failed, it's really weird how the present it as something for younger audiences, but obviously those younger audiences wouldn't play action movie games so this move in the end it just alienating everyone
>And it failed
Maybe.
Square caters to oldgays through other games they release, FF has ALWAYS been about evolving the formula.
The fact you seething boomers havn't figured that out by now baffles me
>Announce a deal with Transbox
>Stock collapses
Many such cases!
https://tech4gamers.com/square-enix-operating-income-down-78/
States that the drop in profits is due to other titles selling poorly and 16 was a success, so basically games like Flopspoken fricked over Square.
This is Barry (the pooBlack person) seething as usual.
>can't read
>makes excuses in his dumb head
I'm sorry cultist, but your headcanon isn't real
>The report hints that the success of Final Fantasy 16 was not enough to overshadow the other weak releases from Square Enix
Literally in the article, shit eating immigrant
>The report hints that the success of Final Fantasy 16
>success
lol
lmao even
>M-My narrative!
Seething shit slurper
why yes you are trying to spin a narrative that other games are to blame for xvi flopping.
>N-No U!
You have got really boring lately, fecal gay
Not the guy you're responding to, but it's very common for a company to claim something is a success publically, while it didn't meet their sales goals. Because you don't go around claiming the game sold poorly while it's still on store shelves.
This is the same company that claimed FF13 and FF7 remake were a huge success when they first came out. But later admitted they didn't meet sales goals, long after they had hit the bargain bin. You're a bit naive if you just take their word that it was a success. Especially second hand from a gaming "journalist."
This, it's better to just lie or tell little white lies rather than admit weakness. Admitting weakness attracts sharks. So lie your ass off.
>But later admitted they didn't meet sales goals,
kek anon don't make up lies.
Both got sequels greenlit due to their success.
and you are naive to think sharholders would know what "truely" is happening with sales and not just listening to what they're being fed
Oh, they wouldn't know shit. Bob Iger is in the midst of pulling a similar con now as we speak.
Exactly, so if it was true that 16 sold poorly, stocks would reflect that yet. This is obviously a response from games like Forspoken failing miserably last year
>stocks would reflect that yet
And they have.
>This is obviously a response from games like Forspoken failing miserably last year
Blaming forspoken for XVI's failures is starting to get sad.
Yes yes pooBlack person. Forspoken was goty. Go sit in the corner, big boys are talking
Bingo, and they can flush any other failures into the same pool for a nice fat tax write off.
>i STILL don't know what a write off is
>and you are naive to think sharholders would know what "truely" is happening with sales and not just listening to what they're being fed
Uh..that's literally what Square has been doing to them for decades. This is the same company which won't release indavidual sales data for any game. They just lump all the MMOs together, all the single player games together, all the smartphone games together, then report them to the shareholders. And they even fudge the numbers when combined. They don't report how many ACTIVE players their MMOs have. No, they just combine all the accounts together and go "our MMOs have 100 million players!"
This isn't even speculation. Go look at the shareholder reports.
>truely
moron
>no argument
I win
>XVI is now officially a failure on the level of Babylon's Fall, which nearly killed Platinum.
Yoshitter sisters... now what?
now we collectively start dancing at the end of a rope while barry laughs at us
Man, I went and looked it up. That graph is extremely misleading.
>Graph is fine up until XVI comes out
>Then it just gets worse and worse
oof.
>pooBlack person ignores being called out on his false narrative
How does it feel to constantly back the dead horse? You are literally a shit eater in every form of the word
Still -10% over 5 days.
Release XVI on PC and I'll play the unlimited free trial version lmao
Why does this board want FFXVI to fail so badly?
I don't, I even like the game and play it sometimes.
I just think the community is annoying and I hate consumerist fanboys so seeing them seethe over nothing is hilarious to me.
it already failed
but if i were to guess, nobody likes ffxiv trannies
They are going to rush the XVI PC port now.
Im terrible mad that Yoshi took the Sony bribe, and if he took the Sony bribe then he may take the ESG one.
>Yoshi took the Sony bribe
They took Sony bribe since 1997
>may take the ESG one
>may
all the homosexuals and on screen homosexual kissing and 'disgusting' sex scenes wasn't ESG?
It's mainly just one pooBlack person immigrant who lives in Australia that goes by the name Barry. He is jealous that creators like Yoshi P and Noruma garner success where as the gay he loves, Tabata, made mediocre to straight dogshit games and got pushed out of Square
Tl;dr one autist pooBlack person is forever butt hurt
>Very white, no Black folk in Yoshida's fantasy
>Very manly(all the males looks like gigachads besides Gav and Goetz)
>No ugly woman besides Jill(which isn't ugly)
>Promotes heterosexual love(big no no in 2023)
>Promotes family
>Good gameplay, not just a rollslop or snoozefest roll dice-slop for the masses
>Not on Nintendo
Promotes homosexual love*
daaaaaaaamn bahamut getting the wiener?!
yeah, he's now canonically taking schlongs in his pooper
>That camera zoom out
LMAO. They literally put it there for twitter points.
it probably has to do with the critically acclaimed MMORPG Final Fantasy XIV? With an expanded free trial which you can play through the entirety of A Realm Reborn and the award-winning Heavensward expansion up to level 60 for free with no restrictions on playtime killing their favorite MMO
because it's not on pc, thats the genuine reason
Naw, I want it to fail because it's not even pretending to be an RPG anymore. I don't care what consoles it's on. I could be PC exclusive, it could be xbox exclusive, it could be switch exclusive, it could be a fricking mobile game, or it could be on every console for all I care. I want it to fail regardless.
So much time has passed that people forget the original yoshi p haters and xiv obsessors were, and still are, blizzdrones. Wow and it's fans lost that war so fricking hard that nowadays people sooner think it's some omni present brazillian name barry shitting up every SE related thread than wow players bitter about the death of their game. It's sad really.
damn that sure is a lot of buzzwords
based schizo
wow lost the war. cope, seethe, etc.
I absolutely love how every time MMOtrannies get cornered, they immediately summon some boogeyman to cope
of course, its either WoW
or barry
They are too used to the ERP servers to have normal conversations.
I dont play blizzard games.
>Barry, the INDIAN immigrant from Australia, still trying to pretend he doesnt exist.
Don't get me wrong, I wish you didn't exist
Nintendies are still seething that FFVII and onward were first developed for non-Nintendo consoles.
Basednies still mad that only two Dragon Quest games have been made for a Playstation system. And Sony completely fricked up with Monster Hunter so hard, it drove them back to Nintendo.
World sold more than rise and sun break did combined and world has a more active player base
>Why does this board want FFXVI to fail so badly?
Ganker wants to pretend everything is a failure because it's mostly bored kids (and a very few adults who are WAY too old to behave like kids, but do anyway)
>pretend everything is a failure
check the image in the OP
Stocks arent the box office you colossal fricking idiot
No u
I despise this game firstly and mostly, because it's encouraging homosexualry.
I'm so goddamn fricking sick of trannies and homosexuals pissing over everything good in this world.
They are disgusting freaks that need to be excised, not encouraged.
>(and a very few adults who are WAY too old to behave like kids, but do anyway)
It's fun to argue over stupid shit sometimes, and being angry in a safe environment when you can just close the tab and be done with it helps teach anger management in general.
no it actually becomes pretty addicting which is why this website is full of NEETs that legitimately don't do anything other than outrage bait and jerk off to schadenfreude all day. happens on twitter too. you're going to end up trading one problem for another.
>Ganker wants to pretend everything is a failure
they've been trying to pretend 16 was a failure for weeks now, and shift the goalposts everytime it's shown to be false.
It's just desperation at this point, doesn't matter
I actually wanted it to succeed by being a good game. It has failed at that. Not my fault. I paid $70 for it after all. I just hope it gamers don't continue to reward games this bad. So sure, I want it to fail in that regard. I won't hold my breath. Gaming has been hollywoodized. It's just shitty moviegames now. I blame gamers for that. I blame gamers for buying them.
Because the game is trying too fricking hard to be a WRPG instead of the classic JRPG format.
>MUH MATURE STORY AND CHARACTERS
>MUH EXTREME GRAPHICAL VIOLENCE
>MUH SEX
>MUH GRIMDARK ATMOSPHERE
Nobody wanted any of this shit, we just wanted our classic FF back with some better production values, instead what we got was literally Game of Thrones meets Dad of War. Also, everyone is taking well deserved potshots at Bioware for being stupid enough to turn Dragon Age into an ARPG in the wake of Baldur's Gate 3 success, but how about FF? Squeenix decided to turn the franchise into a pseudo-DMC clone with sprinkles of Dad or War instead of going back to the turn based combat that many fans have been asking for years.
I didn't want to see FFXVI crashing and burning, but I would be lying if I said I wanted it to be a major success because God knows Squeenix would just double down on all these stupid decisions.
>muh sex
Endwalker would be the top MMO ever made if it added sex with Venat.
>instead of the classic JRPG format.
Shit format. Yoshida just copied the wrong type of WRPG.
>actionshit
Yeah, I want it to fail. Give me turn based or frick off
people want to laugh at companies.
Though the reality is probably closer to they are no longer the target audience for games companies want to go after and thus want companies to fail
They are the becoming the past in the marketing ideals of games and lashing out
Final Fantasy has been shit for several years, but that long slow process has become a race to the bottom. Now it's not even an RPG because the letter J hurts YoshiP's feefees. I'd rather it be dead than live on as a corpse of itself.
https://youtube.com/shorts/lZcRsNqBLCk?feature=share
I want the franchise to go back to its roots. Turn based, party based
Square releases plenty of those types of games, Bravely Default and Octopath as prime examples, they don't sell big numbers though
Square should be going back to making many medium budget games. Rather than putting a ton of money down on a few AAA games. But their sales expectations are always stupid. They claimed the DS port of Chrono Trigger was a failure for selling 900,000 units. Then a few years later said Bravely Default was a huge success and "redefined what a JRPG could be" for selling 600,000 units.
ff7 - great game, can't wait to see what's next
ff8 - great game, hope they improve on where they struggled
ff9 - great game, can't wait to see what's next
ff10 - great game, can't wait to see what's next
ff11 - I can't play it. I'll just wait for 12, I'm sure it'll be great
ff12 - It's okay, not exactly inspiring, bet they'll hit it out of the park next time
>years later
ff13 - Why does the gameplay, story, characters, and dialogue feel so shit? Did I grow out of my favorite series?
ff14 - don't rly like mmo's, maybe I'll give 6 a try
ff6 - gar for Edgar
>many many years later
ff15 - hold x to watch a japanese boy band auto-battle a dragon god w/a broken story and an uninspired setting.
>several years later
ff16 - not buying a PS5 just to watch a mediocre action movie
And you still haven't played the best games in the series.
Most people here are dopamine brain fried esl posters that don't even like video games anymore. They just like shitposting about business dealings even though this is a video game board.
>>I guess that's what happens when you betray Nintend𐐬
Betraying Nintendo made them top dogs in the first place. Catering to Nintendo put them to this place.
didn't they just put some games on switch
Well deserved. They are morons for not making it multiplatform.
>DMC/Bayonettagays don't like the game because it has 20hrs of cutscenes interrupting gameplay in a 30hr game. And gameplay is braindead until you finish it and start over in new game plus anyway.
>HBO/Netflix watchers don't play games and unanimously agree that GoT, from which the game copypasted several character archetypes without transferring what made said characters interesting, went to shit after Season 5.
>Sony movie game gays are turned off by the anime jrpg shlock the game turns into by the final arc.
>Yoshida cult MMOtrannies are either too lazy to get a PS5 for one game, or those who do have to desperately justify their thrash purchase.
>Classic FF gays dislike the game because it inverts the roles and puts the hero in a position of destroying that which the series originally stood up for, that is, the divine transcendental things that endure through the transient worldliness of men, typically represented by the crystals or otherwise divine forces (the lifestream in 7, Aeons/Fayth/Memories of beloved ones in 10, gods and the crystal line in 11). They are substituted in favor of Matsuno going full fedora neckbeard.
And people wonder why XVI sold like shit.
I'm a GoTgay and I'm liking it. Imagine thinking grrm invented his character archetypes. Zoom zoom.
I bet you liked the final season too, moron. Was it it worth for that Star Wars trilogy, oh wait that got cancelled. Get fricked D&D sucker this shit game is the gaming equivalent of the final season GoT.
https://arch.b4k.co/v/search/image/Wbd2G_oLrPVGijSxDAVHsQ/
but 10 ended with dismantling the aeon system
Excellent Ted Talk.
How are we going to spin this one around yoshida sisters?
By blaming barry and the games he likes.
Dont make me post it, shitskin
Your suicide note?
The one post that has you crying to jannies every time 😉
Who would have thought turning an RPG franchise into an action game wouldn't work? It's almost like it never works.
I still have no idea why this was called FF instead of a new IP, or even a spin off
OH NO NO NO
you make exclusive games, you win exclusive prizes
Not surprised. People predicted this would happen awhile ago.
You just gotta love when the IP count increases one every 5 posts
>Nintendo
Black person the switch couldn't even handle dmc v. Why do you think it could handle xvi? At best it would get a shitty cloud port like kingdom hearts.
They need to resurrect the classic FF under new brand name. It may take time, but FF at this point is just clusterfrick of failures due to westernization.
ZIV TRANNIES ZIV TRANNIES ZIV TRANNIES ZIV TRANNIES
ZIV isnt a roman numeral
It's his time.
Bring the superweapon. Unleash Sephiroth.
Will he save us
holy shit, barry won
though it's fun watching sidelines while autists battle out which turd is the better turd
why would square make a loveletter to anglo monarchy when literally everyone on earth not under aristocracy celebrated the queens death? were they paid to shill? whole game seems like a tone deaf MUH HONOR time sink meant for children who would never ever randomly pick up the 16th entry of a series that started 20 years before they existed.
The last food FF was X
Removed overworld maps and pre-rendered backgrounds. Trash.
>best combat
>best story
>best character development
>best world building
>best setting
>largest post-game content (despite "no overworld")
FFX was truly the last FF title. Nothing ever felt close to what FF should be.
It's only FF with "Asian/Japanese" setting too.
At least it was somewhat unique, FF12 was just vagrant story 2.0 and the rest were chasing FF7‘s success and going for the „current popular thing“.
What happens when the creator no longer has anything to do with the series.
Sakaguchi did work good with the other talent he worked with, but didn’t really excel on his later projects way after the merge. And well the movie that was way too over ambitious in the first place lol
Lost odyssey is good though and feels like actual FF. Haven't tried the iOS game yet though (because lol iOS), but just this screenshot reminds of that bedroom in FFIX.
That game is getting a steam release. It's not announced yet, but there's a page and it's been updated every few days now.
Reminder Sakaguchi loves XIV
Reminder that Sakaguchi also said he loved FF12. And would probably say the same about every other FF game if directly asked. This is very common for Japanese people. Don't say anything negative because it's impolite (and can get you blackballed from the industry).
>Reminder that Sakaguchi also said he loved FF12
Didn't he say that he'd refuse to play FF12 after the way Matsuno left?
He's gone on record that it's the only video game he's played for the past two years, and that he wants to be allowed to work on it. I don't think he said that about any other game in the series.
Except he has shown his character online and I believe has even streamed it before. Sure you could lie about a SP game, not and MP one where people have seen him online
Pretty sure he played FFXIV hundreds of hours, can’t really fake that for pr
please tell me you're not genuinely defending FFX's post game content lol. otherwise yes i agree that FFX is one of the best. of course that title goes to 9 though :^)
>9
Slow combat, shitty steal rates, mediocre story. Still better than 1-6 and any post-XII game though.
>shitty steal rates
what an asinine point to single out, i genuinely commend your tism.
>MC is a thief
>happens to be the worst thief in the series
>doesn't know how to boost steal rates
Sad.
Been noticing more appreciation for X on Ganker. For years we X gays have had to endure the "its not a real FF game" because muh voice acting and titus_laugh.jpg, mostly from the 7 gays I presume. But after so many years of shitty FF games (22 to be exact) it seems like X is finally being allowed to join it's siblings in the FF pantheon of greatness.
> For years we X gays have had to endure the "its not a real FF game" because muh voice acting and titus_laugh.jpg
I don't give a frick about "not a real FF" but FF10 is everything that is wrong about what the series ended up being. this is why FF13 was done by the exact same team and it sucked even harder
FF10 took out everything that was good about the series and it impacted the series for 20 years
voice acting is the least of its problems, its suffocating linearity and middling storyline is what truly sucks
>FF10 is linear meme
Nobody ever complained about this. FF10 design works very well for it's intended purpose, you are on a fricking pilgrimage. It also has little branching paths, and every place is filled with little things or lore. In contrast FF13 was just fricking straight hallways with nothing but battles, literally nothing else.
>>FF10 is linear meme
>Nobody ever complained about this.
You need to be over the age of 18 to post on this board.
Story is good and fleshed out. Don't be a Black person
WE FAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLL
WE FAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLL
>release on a system with a low adoption rate
>why ain't it making money
Not even the fanfest could partially mitigate this disaster
That pic is misleading. Pikmin didn't sell 401,853 copies in one week, it sold it in THREE DAYS.
>FF16
>Cute dog companion but it doesn't actually service much use in-game
>Piggumin Foa
>Cute dog companion that not only forms a chunk of the core game mechanics but you can also take direct control of the dog whenever you want
It's not hard to see why it's doing so well.
>he doesn't use Torgal to juggle
I'll accept that's all he's good for though
I just want this game to bomb so Yoshi can finally see that he's a shit game director and maybe try to improve
The sad thing is, FF16 is a financial success. Just not to the degree management and shareholders wanted. This is the problem of large companies who throw more and more money into projects, expecting more money spent = more money made down the line. And it hardly ever works. Both Square and Disney are finding this out. Hell, they already found it out 20 years ago. They just ignored the lesson 20 years ago.
>FF16 is a financial success
why is their stock tanking then?
I have no idea. But it could be Forspoken and a bunch of other single player games didn't do well. A bunch of smartphone games got cancelled because of poor performance. Could be internal politics between management. Could be some outside investments. Could be some people just cashed out. There's a lot of reasons a stock can go down.
And no, I'm not saying any of this to defend FF16. I don't even like the game. And like I said, FF16 could still make a profit and Square would still whine it didn't do "well enough." Which they do all the time. They even did this to FF7. They tried to claim it underperformed and did well at the same time.
https://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2020/05/31/square-enix-on-final-fantasy-7-remake-sales/
Forspoken released more than half a year ago
XVI just flopped. Why is this so hard for you to accept, when the numbers speak for themselves?
>when the numbers speak for themselves?
Square won't release actual sales numbers. Let alone development cost, net and gross numbers. If you have them, please post them. I want to know if FFXVI did even worse than I suspect.
The reason operating income is down is because they were paying back development debts between April-June over the course of weeks or months.
Unless you're going to tell me with a straight face that they were paying back FF16 development debts before the thing had even released and made any money for itself, then it's more likely that they were paying back debts for other products including Forspoken.
Flopspoken might be a GIGA flop but it had nothing to do with FF16 flop
FF16 is quite literally Avenger flop tier
>David Gibson: SE expensed the cost of FF16 in 1Q .
>They did the same with Avengers, and even said that if Avengers didn't release then that quarter's earnings would have been in profit.
In a recently translated investor briefing (via IGN), Square Enix president Yosuke Matsude makes no bones about it, and says that had Avengers not been released in the quarter, the company would have made a profit. And past that, he confirms that in addition to being responsible for a loss for the company, the game has not even made back its development costs:
>"In addition to the amortization of that game's development costs," Matsuda said, "another significant factor associated with the title was the fact that we undertook a major advertising campaign at the time of its launch to make up for delays in our marketing efforts resulting from the COVID-19 pandemic. There is a certain amount of development costs still to be amortized in 3Q, but we want to recoup it by growing our sales going forward."
>could be could be could be could be
7R also didn't do well though?
Lol 7R did much better than 16
not as well as the company expected
FF7 did fine. It just didn't sell as much as Square execs wanted. Since FF7, they've been trying to get another FF game to sell as well as FF7 did. Wada even stated that before FF13 launched, he expected it would surpass the 9 million FF7 did. And of course it didn't. They wanted FF7 remake to do the same, and it didn't. Selling 5 million is great sales. But they want 9 million or deem it a failure.
To add salt to the wound, FF7 Remake came out in the same month as Doom and Animal Crossing. Both of which not only sold over 9 million, but broke franchise and launch records. So basically Square had this overbudget FF game that sold less than a small budget handheld game. Doesn't exactly get shareholders hyped to put money into the next overbudget FF game. Might as well go buy Nintendo stock.
this is actually why I said, it didn't do well
Crazy how people were hype about the game for years for the game to come out only to end up being some weird remake/sequel. The game post release didn't end up feeling like a big deal afterall.
>FF16 is a financial success
Source?
Don't bother, it really is borderline mental illness, how deluded Yoshida fanboys are.
>45 unique ips
Wow its almost like people are having a discussion!
>old IP getting defensive
In every XVI thread you have a handful of schizos that argue for entire thread about whether the game flopped or not. I don't know why, but his game pissed off some anons really badly.
This is what they deserved for pandering to homosexuals and trannies who dont even own consoles and dont even buy games instead of straight males, aka the vast majority of gamers, the one who genuinely despise homohomosexualry and troonysm
The game is so fricking pozzed, it literally forces you, the player, to watch ugly disgusting homosexuals, who look like child rapist, make out on screen
That homosexual singlehandedly tank the game's sales
what a surprise
if you keep making ABSOLUTE TRASH games and call it FINAL FANTASY eventually no ones going to buy it on the name alone
thanks for ruining something that was awesome
funny enough, final fantasy went to complete shit in 2001, the same year 9/11 happened
its not a coincidence. nothing is
>game starts development at the tail end of the Game of Thrones hype
>Game of Thrones hype falls off a cliff
>still spend 5 years making a GoT inspired game
Holy shit, how could this happen?
>Saying the fantasy genre is dead while Baldurs gate is making bank.
Dumb
>Saying the fantasy genre is dead
Not what he said. He pointed out that people don't want a game trying to copy Game of Thrones because of the bad taste Game of Thrones left in their mouth.
Final Fantasy has been just copying fads for 20+ years and people are noticing. This isn't even the first time Final Fantasy copied Game of Thrones. FFXIV Heavensward did the same thing. And they got the same team to make FFXVI.
>the MMO expansion about literal dragons and cloud whales is ripping off GoT because it has.....le politics
you should brain yourself with a metal pipe
>the MMO expansion about literal dragons
>magically ignores the shitty house politics and setting, which are ripped right out of Game of Thrones
>overlooks how the writers for Heavensward are the same writers for FFXVI
>overlooks how Yoshi literally said Game of Thrones was one of his inspirations for FFXVI
Next you're going to tell me ARR had no influence from Lord of the Rings and Pirates of the Carribean because you conveniently ignore the Black Shroud and Limsa and only mention Ul'dah.
you should brain yourself with a metal pipe
>responds in 35 seconds, not even bothering to read the post
no, I literally just do not care about what you have to say. anyone who unironically goes on tangents in Final Fantasy threads with accompanying pictures about how any fantasy story with houses and politics is totally Game of Thrones is a certifiable moron and a Gankerlet who probably hasn't read a single thing since the 8th grade and ironically only knows about Game of Thrones because it was a popular TV show when they were in highschool. again, you should brain yourself with a metal pipe, you absolute scum sucking slug of an existence.
Man, you're so obsessed with that term braining yourself with a metal pipe. Do you keep thinking about that all the time? You might want to go see someone about those thoughts, anon.
ignores the shitty house politics and setting, which are ripped right out of Game of Thrones
>>>le politics are le Game of Thrones
>inspirations
He literally made everyone watch it so they could copy it
>Final Fantasy 16 producer Naoki Yoshida said during the RPG’s latest previews that Game of Thrones was a big inspiration – and it turns out the team didn’t really have a choice in that. Yoshida told Eurogamer in an interview that he made the core team buy the entire Game of Thrones box set and watch the full thing
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2023/05/final-fantasy-16-game-of-thrones-inspiration
He's a talentless hack that has always copied popular things
Reminder these people are too young to know anything about tactics ogre or final fantasy tactics
I hope you're not implying FF14 or 16 was anything like those games.
OH NO! Anyways.
Seems like a good time to buy the dip
Its official now, 13 and 15 killed the prestige of the franchise. Thanks Toryama and Tabata, you killed the best IP in the whole world
See yall at some point. It was fun while it lasted
It was already dead around the time FF15 released, let’s be honest. It just fell out of time and the mid 2000 looking gays clearly did not revive the series at all
can't wait til xvi comes out
I honestly can't wait for Nintend𐐬 to buy them
they literally had the CEO and phil spencer lock hands a week ago
this happened with every squeenix CEO
14 was announced for xbox in 2018
Barry fricking won
Frick Yoshida trannies for killing FF
When is the next big MMO going to get released? Must have entirely e-girl race, but that seems standard nowadays. Then we'll see if Squeenix still has it or if they're just coasting because FF is the only non-WoW MMO.
I don't really think there's a good time or market for it right now. XIV has a stranglehold so long as they don't keep bleeding player attention spans too hard, WoW is trying to keep itself from drowning along with the rest of Blizzard, GW2 is content with doing whatever it wants like it's in a Nintendo bubble on the side. Any other MMOs of note are either niche, anime as frick and thus limited in audience, and/or F2P in a way that they simply aren't going to hit big or be sustainable usually.
Everyone tried the MMO train a decade ago, and only a handful of survivors stood atop the pile. There's no room to try again right now unless some major shift occurs.
WoW and OSRS have more players than XIV
>make game on a dead console
>none buys it
woah who knew
16 was the best ff since 2006
it was a shame that it came on diablo month and followed by the goty bg3
FFXVI didn''t sold for 13% of the playerbase at full price? This is like 350m plus Sony money
What more squeenix want? what a greedy and stupid company
https://twitter.com/gibbogame/status/1688357631986126848
NOOOO DELETE THIS!!!
MY NARRATIVE IS GOING TO FALL APART NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo000 BARRY-SAMA HELP MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I'm just wondering where either of these guys got this information, since the only thing I saw was the financial report that said nothing close to either of this. IIRC, we didn't even hear anything about FFXVI outside of it and pixel remaster's profits were lowered due to them paying back loans
Well, obviously this literal who has access to information the shareholders dont, which means that Squares stock crashing is totally unwarranted :^)
>there is no new information and they're both just making shit up
It's sad that Ganker falls for this every time
It will be fun to see the discourse change when this game is released on PC and all these coomers can finally play with nude mods
"This game is actually Kino guys"
you frickers are always the same
It will be forgotten like every FF after 12
The game doesn't have attractive women to make nude. It's a homosexual game.
Do waifugays or coomers even care about this game? I don't think so
this game is clearly intended for homosexuals
there was that thread of people jerking off to garuda and shiva a couple of hours ago
You mean that thread
that died in 20 posts? that one? and what's worse the only pictures posted there were pictures of monsters, the absolute state of this homosexual game, KEK
>saged 24 posts in
And they say it didnt flop. Almost nobody played that shit.
And whoever did, they wish they didnt
I genuinely didn't even realize there were major female characters in the game. I think I saw one where everyone was doing those "I can fix her" memes. It's all homosexualry from top to bottom, which is a huge reason it's not doing as well as they wanted. People don't want to play as crusty old dudes learning to be butt buddies.
Didn't seem to work that way with FF15, so why would it work that way with FF16?
FF15 is hot trash with a ton of plot holes even with the DLC, I told all my friends not to touch the game and how disappointing it was
I envy all my friends that didn't buy a PS5 for 16, having to tell them it's one of the worst FF games broke my heart, we need the Gooch to come back.
All the people I know that bought ps5s for ff16 are happy and waiting for FF7 rebirth
I am awaiting rebirth, I do really like Remake outside of the obvious ending issues, but I'm excited to see where it goes now that you can't put the cat back in the bag.
MS needs to swoop in and buy these homies out right now. Pull all FF games from playstation and lock them on steam/xbox.
Would hurt them more in the long run since they're already facing serious anti-trust legislation and a move like that would look very, very anti-competition.
You mean the case where they slam dunked the snoys?
Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about. The case where they only won because the judge's son works at Microsoft. Things don't take place in a vacuum, and they will have to think very carefully about future acquisitions if they don't want to get shit on. A literal direct attack like buying a company just to take a franchise off of a console would just be fricking moronic.
>The case where they only won because the judge's son works at Microsoft
This is nothing but pure cope. FTC picked and approved the judging knowing full well that her son worked there. She rightlyfully called out the FTC with their bullshit. There was literally nothing unusual or surprising about her verdict.
antitrust is no longer a thing in american culture
people actually want a monopoly now
nothing will change until the literal mass murders of employees in company towns are back, and even then I'd be doubtful
is no longer a thing in american culture
>people actually want a monopoly now
It's sad how true this is. None of these big tech companies should exist as they are now. It's disgusting
They won because the FTC is moronic
So it being on PS5 was one thing, right. But I'll tell you what definitely made me uninterested in FF16. It wasn't the story, it wasn't the one party member (I liked Lightning Returns), it had nothing to do with any annoying fans, it was one thing that made me think "Wow this looks boring as frick."
And it was the way the stagger meter worked. You're basically just doing measly shit damage for a large portion of the fight to build up this shitty slow stagger meter so you can actually hurt the boss for about 5 seconds. There's nothing satisfying there. That doesn't look exciting, it looks boring as shit. Why would I wanna sit there doing no damage for like two minutes straight so I can do big damage for about 8 seconds before I have to fill up that same stagger meter again? Looks wack as frick.
The stagger meter's been present since FF13 and actually showed up FF7R, but this is the worst handling of it I've seen. Fix your fricking gameplay, I don't give a shit about the DMC director if he thinks this is his "finest work."
FF game are too ambitious aren't they? They basically have to create world from scratch as aswell as mobs, and everything. todd games are all in the same world. the only thing they got in common are what chocobos?
>wall street meme lines
you kids are cute
Where's that picture of Pikmin carrying Clive's corpse to the onion?
>FF16' sales fell short of expectations
We fricking told you that the previous statement was all PR bullshit. The writing was on the walls and you homosexuals continued to plug your ears and scream
>we
15 and 16 both suck. kiss my ass.
14 sucks ass too.
I dont give a shit about MMO final fantasy so i wouldnt know.
I disagree, FF16 is great and FF15 is horrible.
the last good FF game was X-1
>muh PC version
Uh... really? Seriously? There are 40 million PS5 owners out there. They're the biggest audience for RPGs and Final Fantasy. Do you really think being on Steam would make a difference?
Taking Sony's money was the right call. I don't know what could've saved this game, but it ain't a few thousand PC gamers.
>They're the biggest audience for RPGs and Final Fantasy.
That would be the PS4 and the Switch
>PS4
All serious gamers have moved on to PS5. Only poorgays who can't afford games are still on last-gen.
>Switch
Too weak for Yoshida's vision.
>They don't count because... they just don't, ok?!?!
They shouldn't have taken Sony's money, that's all. Funny thing though is that you already know Sony moneyhatted FFIX and FFX remake, so SE is fricked regardless.
No, BG3's launch makes it very clear that the RPG market is on PC.
One game being more successful than another has nothing to do with PlayStation. Baldur's Gate will probably sell millions more copies on consoles than PC.
>ps5
>rpgs
Having a laugh are we? The playstation hasn't been the biggest RPG console since the PS2. Past that it's all been handhelds and recently the PC. Not like it matters for this either way though, FF16 is some sort of half assed action game, not an RPG.
it amazes me than a game selling 3 million is failure.
AAA development costs have ballooned to such an unsustainable level. The never ending quest for muh graphics and realism is finally starting to bite all of these big developers in the ass.
I believe FF16 is going to be fine but they should've waited a year so they could release the PS4 version. Heck maybe a PC version release along could've solved this too. Yes I why they didn't do that as they gave up an explanation so that's fine but they really be surprised by this outcome though. The market is especially very different than what it was when FF15 release. Expect Rebirth to similarly sell like dogshit also. Being a console exclusive without no cross gen/PC version sounds like the kiss of death this generation. At least the game's combat looks engaging though.
I'll make a sincere post here to explain to boomers what a zoomer like me thinks about XVI. I recently started playing XIV earlier this year and it was my first FF game. I liked the world and story of that game quite a lot, learning about all the FF staples like chocobos and eikons and the tons of references from past FF games that XIV puts in made me like the franchise. Since it was also my first mmo I quite liked the combat as well as it was different to the action games I'm used to. Now with all this hype I buy XVI. The demo made me think this was a real goty contender, I was hooked by the story, the spectacle of the phoenix vs ifrit fight and soken's ost fooled me into thinking I was in for something special. But the full game fell flat in multiple ways. Firstly the story and characters apart from Cid and Benedikta were just plain bland, I literally could not give less of a shit about any of them. And since the game is like 60% cutscenes that's a big problem. The world building was also very generic and uninspired. Crystals again? Really Black person? It just felt like a really shitty knockoff of XIV. The combat was also bland as frick like the characters. The vfx vomit on the screen with every attack, the damage sponge enemies which had extremely limited movesets and that never posed any semblance of a challenge whatsoever. The world spaces also holding absolutely no secrets, just a bland boring empty world, they literally had no excuse either since this wasn't even open world. I have more thoughts I can share if anons ask.
>decide mainline be developed by their studio who's main audience is PC
>handled by team who haven't made a single player game resulting to mmo slop bleed into the game
Shot themselves in the foot. Classic SE shit
How are Sal Romano and Christopher Dring going to spin this data in their favor
I'd love to see it
>GOT inspired
That was a red flag, i would've given em respected if they said it was inspired by the whole Asoiaf saga.
The fact that hack yoshida made them watch all 8 seasons and not pick up on the fact that everything went to shit after the 4th season is hilarious. It explains how XVI's story goes as well, starts with promise and completely shits the bed in the ending.
The baffling part is that the most attractive things about the story for a lot of people is how un-Final Fantasy it was. Then somehow mid-way through the game they go "oh right we're Final Fantasy, time for an evil alien god responsible for everything and we have to destroy it with the power of human bonds, we gotta stick to tradition."
New cope has been unlocked by the way.
>they said this is first quarter sales, FFXVI wasn't released yet because April to June is the second quarter
>down less than 2% today
>OH NO NO NO NO ITS OVER AHAHAHAHAA
For real homie?
You can't expect Ganker to understand stocks
>2%
It's down 14.92%
Square Enix stocks have dropped more than 25% since FF16's release
Oof
NO NO NONONO AAAAAAAA
This new CEO is proved to be as clueless as the previous one
Didn't he just start? It's like saying Kimishima was responsible for the Switch success and not Iwata.
So it's not just the game that's not selling huh, even the merchandise and the stocks aren't selling well either?
Sweet, will get me some cheap merch in October
What's xvi-gays excuse now?
see the peaks in may and june, those are most likely driven by FOMO buy in's from low int investors who don't really understand how the games business works. They probably thought "new final fantasy, that's a big name stock will go up" But that exclusivity is going to strangle the huge sales numbers until it runs up. That peakin june is trading in a volume nearly 4 times their normal average, a clear sign of opportunistic movement. When news of the poorer than expected sales started to spread they all started to sell off their stakes to make what little gains they could or to lose as little as possible.
Honestly i'd take this as a buy signal for long term gains, once FFXVI's exclusivity ends the sales will probably skyrocket again for a while, so if you buy in now you might make some dosh a little later. Honestly now'd be a good time to buy as it's drooping to maybe sneak some gains later this year because they have a new Dragon Quest game launching in September, Star Ocean Second R in November, another Dragon Quest game in december, and the FFXIV launch on Xbox sometime early next year
They'll gonna put their games everywhere going on forward as long they aren't under contract "thanks" to the previous CEO. Also likely make a deal with MS/Xbox on putting their games on Gamepass.
I'm really curious how the XIV launch on Xbox will go.
>Flopping on Transbox again
The new CEO will learn.
square enix about to be acquired by M$
FF needs to learn from the West. Turn-based CRPGs are the way to go.
>most reviews say the gameplay sucks but it's fine because there's softcore
You're right, they do need to copy them by adding sex scenes to their MMO
>turn based
>dicerolls
>cards
all limitations of the pen and paper medium
computer games must transcend those limitations to be truly great, like BG1 did
That's not what people are asking for. They want pen and paper on their computers.
>streamers sell games
ok
There you go.
yeah yeah stinky poo poo get mad at my post because i have nothing better to do with my life and all but is the catalog fricked up for anyone else? we going down again?
No it works fine for me, when Ganker gets fricked up for me I just wait a couple of minutes and come back, that usually fixes it.
if they had released it on PC it wouldn't have flopped.
who fricking owns a PS5?
SE overvalues their writers in every division. They're mediocre. What's stopping them from outsourcing writers outside their office and moreso, outside their country?
FFXIV trannies that keep blowing smoke up their ass.
>What's stopping them from outsourcing writers outside their office and moreso, outside their country?
>What's stopping them from outsourcing writers outside their office and moreso, outside their country?
They already did that and it resulted in Forspoken
I know Brandon Sanderson would've wanted to write one.
>What's stopping them
Fax machines.
Nobody outside of japan own any fax machines, so they can't communicate outside of japan.
That's not true. I work at as a nurse in AUS and the medical industry here still uses fax machines lmao
You have it wrong. Square is overriding their writers. They're making games, at least games like FF and Forespoken, by committee. Just like major Hollywood movies. The "writers" are just glorified organizers who get a million notes like "we need to have a gay character" and "make sure this character is [x] skin color to hit [y] demographic in [z] country". And the writer has to put it all together into a semi cohesive package.
Forspoken was written by western Hollywood and ex-Bioware people so it's not like that one did much better though.
didn't fricking Amy Hennig have some amount of credit for being involved with the whole world of Forspoken, the Angi's Philosophy shit or whatever? not a hand on the game itself and it shows, but the credits for Forspoken's involvement are all over the fricking place
Lmao, Yoshi couldn't get any further away in that photo if he tried
>What's stopping them from outsourcing writers outside their office and moreso, outside their country?
XIII and XV killed the series to most people. There's no saving FF
I guess we know what Clive will be in his next life.
>tfw there will never be a final fantasy musou since it would have better gameplay than ffxvi
Lol this guy lied yet again wtf. Why does he still have a job in this?
Requesting that someone edit the dancing with coffin gif with Pikmin 4 as the dancers and Clive in the coffin.
This is what happens to a series that refuses to retain their foundations. The only thing that makes their ganes be called FF is having chocobis and their spell names.
You can't expect a fan of a certain mainline to like another mainline the same because of their abrupt changes each game.
>xiv dead
>xvi dead
>no other significant releases for 2023
They must be panicking like crazy
>SE again literally says XVI made up all it's costs
>Gankerermin: noooo it flopped
Anything to say the game failed, pure mental illness
>SE again literally says XVI made up all it's costs
source?
Go to genkis twitter he has the source
>Genki
I literally said he has the source, not that he's the source
Did he share the source? I no, than that's not "SE literally saying" anything. It's literally just heresy. until SE says something publicly.
Let me get this straight. You believe the analyst saying the game flopped but not the analyst saying that the game made up all dev costs?
I believe that the stock is tanking and I want to know why. This homosexual is acting like it is 100% confirmed that FF16 made back it's dev costs, something we have no other backing information to support.
Stop deflecting and answer the damn question. Did he share his source?
>Some literal who fat nerd who only makes $4 a month is more credible than a white-collar analyst working at a reputable international media outlet that specializes in financial markets.
Weeb brainrot is real LMAO
>praising a guy that's literally the same as the fat nerd because he says shit that fits your narrative even though he's been wrong multiple times
Back to bed, Astaran.
>Genki
LMAO
btw
How do we go from this
To this?!!!
still only at 4 bucks per month tho LMAO
It's hillarious how Genki is now actually begging Nintendochads for donations after he realized that FFgays is too poor to give him donations
HAHAHA
Is that what the voice in your head tells you?
Witcher's unironically has more RPG elements than XVI
>SE again literally says XVI made up all it's costs
Even if this were true, companies need to MAKE money, not just reach dev costs. 5 Years developing a game that barely pays for itself is 5 years wasted, since they would have been just as well off not making anything at all.
>5 Years developing a game that barely pays for itself is 5 years wasted, since they would have been just as well off not making anything at all.
if they did nothing they would lose money, so this is a win, if only to keep them afloat long enough to make the next game
>if they did nothing they would lose money
"Doing nothing" more or less the same thing as just making back costs though. You waste 5 years on something barely making back costs when it could have been spent actually making money. You're kinda proving my point.
They took the money and invested it in the PS5.
That's a bad investment. Even a term deposit would be better.
Wasnt xvi i development for 8 years?
idk I was just giving a random number as an example.
>5 Years developing a game that barely pays for itself is 5 years wasted, since they would have been just as well off not making anything at all.
shut the frick up XV wasn't a waste of time you hold circle homosexual
Resorting to calling dissenters Barry again, I see. FF15 sucked too. Doesn't change the fact that JUST making back dev costs is not enough to be a success.
You don't understand companies then. Just making back your costs is a failure. They could have spent frick all and made a ton if they put out a gacha and supported it for 5 years.
Had to add the qualifier at the end there because you're perfectly aware of just how many failed gacha they put out in a year
Probably true. I don't really follow or play FF games.
Making up development costs isn't the same as making a profit. The question is, how much did it make beyond simply "making up the cost." And Square won't release that information. Not even to the shareholders. After many previous games have done this, it's not a surprise some shareholders are leaving. Even if the game did do well, their actions look suspicious.
Yeah what a fricking stupid statement. You don't invest over a hundred million dollars just to break even. Their stock is dropping because it didn't sell as much as it was meant to.
Now what is there for them to look forward to? Making six dollars per copy sold during steam summer sale 2026?
homie before they said XVI made up all it's costs, you homosexuals were using the financial report to say it didn't make up it's cost at all. You got btfod again. All future sales after the 3 m are profit and it's not gonna stop selling
Source?
I am trying to understand why the stocks are crashing if all is well
What are the numbers, homosexual? Are they past 3.1m already?
>before they said XVI made up all it's cost
Show me proof of SE actually saying this.
>you homosexuals
>You got btfod again.
I said it probably made a profit. But that Square won't tell us the numbers. You resorting to generalizations and anger just proves you have the numbers either. You either want to deflect with an argument or are just frustrated.
>homie before they said XVI made up all it's costs
source?
Barry and Gankerirgins were calculating that "FF16 marketing was probably bigger than 15's, there is no way the game is making profit!!!!!!!" only to be struck that they already made entire FF16 back with preorders alone kek
I wonder where next goal post will move, so far we have some rando from twitter lying lul
I don't get it, the Witcher 3's gameplay is not even that good and it still sold like hot cakes.
How did FF XVI fail so hard trying to copy it?
Even shit like Kingdom come deliverance had more buzz than FF XVI
witcher 3's gameplay LOOKS good, FF's ora ora ora ora lightshow is too autistic looking
and the worldbuilding is great, even if the quest design is rote
CDPR spent more on astroturfing websites and reviewers then they did to make the game. Witcher 3 is a great example of a shit game that forced a rabid audience, many were bots and who knows how many still are.
the seethe
The PlayStation 5 is an utter failure.
PS5 exclusivity killed sales, not the game.
We don't even know if the game is good or bad. Because NOBODY HAS A PS5
My normalgay friend has a PS5 and all they played were some stray and uncharted. It has been gathering dust for 3 years now.
He deleted his tweet. He realized he couldn't keep lying through his teeth in his seething over FF16
Why are you lying on internet?
https://twitter.com/6d6f636869/status/1688377042361016320
https://twitter.com/6d6f636869/status/1688353878771945472
He deleted his tweet because he knew what he was doing trying to make it sound like Square Enix said anything about FF16.
Now it's "The analysts", whomst analysts? who knows!
>Reposting to make "they" more clear
lmao more like he was getting destroyed in the quote tweets and he's trying to cover his tracks
His original tweet which is in Japanese still stands though
No one's tweeting about that one.
>Forspoken flops
>that one BR game flops
>drags down the metrics
>"Looks like XVI flopped ahahahahah better luck next time :^)"
Why are you like this?
XVI flopped too
Threads about the game sage at 20 posts in
was FFXVI really that bad?
just doomposters pretending it's because of FF16 and not because of Square's mobile division tanking. FF16 broke even already so any future sales is pure profit
What future sales? Xvi sales dropped by 90% week 2 and there is 0 word of mouth
If it had THEY WOULD SAY THAT.
There's no reason to listen to anyone on Twatter unless you're a fricking moron.
they amortized the development costs in the same quarter the game released, and Square Enix amortizes 100% of the development cost for their domestic games in their financial report.
FF16 broke even.
Meanwhile, the previous entry one month after release...
Everyone, myself included, bought this thinking it would be remotely similar to versus
before kingdom hearts most people didn't know that versus existed, and those that did confused it with agito as type 0's predecessor
Versus wasn't even a thing before KH, dipshit
Great bosses. Horrible pacing. Quests felt like 14 side quests
Fricking this, I dread seeing those green icons pop up on screen
Yes, even normalgays like Maximillian Dood aknowledged at least XV has a semblance of a story, instead of XVIs ending which everyone universally agrees it's dogshit.
It's alright. It's just what happens when you make solid combat and cool boss setpieces and then surround them with hours upon hours of mob fights and empty down time in between the plot. Plus the plot loses itself and kinda pisses away all its cool ideas for something far more generic part way through.
Mediocre like 15 and 13
13-2 was great and I wish they would port it to ps4/ps5 already cause I cant be assed to mod the steam version until it works
They went the total wrong direction with it.
FFVIIR did well, as it brought back what people loved about the series.
Square saw it as "hey that action thing we did sold well. More action things!" And went toof ar with it.
It's basically baby's first Devil May Cry as a 30+ hour long RPG. Only without any of the charm of FF titles or JRPGs on general. It was an obviously bad idea.
It has its fans, but mainly the "I buy literally every game and am so basic I enjoy everything I play" crowd. Humans don't generally enjoy FFXVI
>FFVIIR did well, as it brought back what people loved about the series.
wasn't FFVIIR considered the break glass in case of emergency game? the game didn't bring back anyone considering it did worse than FF15 for what was the most anticipated remake of all time
we already know the sales of FF7R cratered after 5 millions, which was the full extent of how you can milk the nostalgiagays
XVI started development before remake was announced
At least from what I've seen, most people who played would say that at worst it's just ok. It has high highs (like the boss fights), but low lows (like the side quests). Compared to other modern final fantasies, it's one of the better ones, although that isn't a high bar to reach.
It's pretty bad. You may like it if you are into shallow action combat with stagger meters though.
stagger meters ruined FF
Good. Should make them think twice before taking exclusivity deals again.
>PS5 exclusive
fastest way to kill a game
reminder
Is she the zelda princess, my dick is hard
WTF I love nintendo now.
>dev makes a dream game
>it's fricking awesome
>"BUT MUH SHAREHOLDERS"
Frick squeenix. Holy shit.
First: they made the vast majority of their profits after they left Nintendo initially
Second: they have been releasing games on Nintendo platforms again for the past 20 years
Lastly: they milked a single series for that same 20 years and barely (if ever) diversified their offerings. They were doomed to fail
Once FFVII rebirth and that teased FFIX remake drop, they'll see a major profit spike and everything will be back on track for them
>FFVII rebirth
FLOP
>FFIX remake
FLOP
back to your regularly scheduled programming huh
>I guess that's what happens when you betray Nintend𐐬
Yamauchi's smile and optimism: Restored.
Yamauchi was right all along
You damn fricks I just said genki has the source so go look it up. They just finished saying this
>so, which demographic your GoT-inspired game appeals to?
>twittergays
If it's not a link with verifiable quotes and images, shut the frick up.
Did genki share their source? If not, then who the frick cares? This isn't SE confirming shit. This is a Twitter literal who claiming something with no actual proof.
Lmao when SE themselves confirmed the sales were strong you didn't believe it, you absolute dumbfricks
SE saying "The sales were good for a PS5 game" is not the same fricking thing as "FF16 made back it's costs". Try again homosexual.
You don't believe either because they both don't fit your narrative that it flopped homosexual
Stop deflecting. I am asking for a hard source on SE saying that the game made back costs. SE DID say that that the game sold well for a PS5 games, my thoughts on that are irrelevant to my current question. Where did they say the game made back its costs, you red herring flinging homosexual?
Armored Core 6 will outsell 16, 7R, 15, and 13 combined. That'll be hilarious
Armored what?
FF7R vs 16 Comparison
Jesus Christ, look at the difference
>New game came out
>Profit went up
This was the case with FF7R and other titles as well.
Why is FF16 the only exception here?
For the simple reason that it flops
The game is a financial failure
>concern for final fantasy's profitability
Make a good fricking game and it'll be profitable you moronic japs
>Make a good fricking game and it'll be profitable you moronic japs
Done.
>33usd
>for a fricking mount
Endwalker would have content if they just put these in the game as rewards for fricks sake. Everything they've put out in Endwalker is dead because there's nothing to grind for.
>Everything they've put out in Endwalker is dead because there's nothing to grind for.
Go get all the past relic weapons.
>all the past relic weapons.
I already have the weapons I want from them. Why would I grind out shitty looking weapons?
Do you have all the mounts from the game you want?
The ones I want? Yeah. Endwalker just needs proper rewards
>Endwalker just needs proper rewards
No, Endwalker needs rewards you want. If they came out with a grind for rewards you thought were shit, you wouldn't care for them.
>criterion
Do it 1 time and never again
>relics
Just fricking tomes
>island sanctuary
Bike and buffallo mount
It's alright
>savage/ultimate
Both good
No PVP
PvP is horrible with ff14's netcode
15 was a god game idiot
MMO devs = MMO quality = Do not Play
SE just made their "main squeeze" into an MMO quality product in the eyes of the market.
>An FF game where the MC isn't an edgy androgynous emo
ISHIGGITYDIGGITYDINGDONGDICKITYSCOOBYDOOBYDOYALL
The question shouldn't be, "why did it flop?" It should be "what was Square thinking?"
The XVI tortanic spamming has failed
FF was better when it was just 4 homies in a row.
SE's trying to go back.
>mobile game with shitty MMO battle system
>it's gacha
But it's 4 homies in a row. Or 3 to be technical.
>trying to go back
>mishmash of artstyles
>card commands
This shit looks fricking terrible
Well, there's this.
what the hell is this chinese ff5
No, this is.
no as in even down to the area and sick drake being just about the same as a part in ff5 not whatever the frick you just posted
man i forgot how many weird spinoffs just kind of faded into dust. anyone remember that fricking turks mobile phone game before smart phones even existed?
china is such a shit hole
maybe that teaches them to make good games instead
I don't know about you but I do know that Baldur's Gate 3 is the gaming experience of a lifetime. Real gamers need to stop wasting their time of games masquerading as RPGS, like Zelda and Final Fantasy, and spend your hard earned money on Baldur's Gate 3, a title that ups your gamer cred.
Be sure sure to purchase Baldur's Gate 3 or you can't call yourself a hardcore gamer. Remember, Baldur's Gate 3 isn't just a game, it's a lifestyle.
So, how much do they pay you?
Do you know what game that has officially broke even on day one?
Yep
Theres only one week for FF16
Do you guys even play games? What is the point to be so hateful with some game that you didn't even play?
an identity tied to a corporation they don't work at like those guys that are really emotional about Mountain Dew
Frick you. FF16 homosexuals shit up the board before launch saying this game would sell big and be GOTY. This is the demon you homosexuals created.
the korean mmo and most uninspired final fantasy spam had been going on for far, far longer than whatever morons claimed that right before launch, don't be disingenuous
16 is the best final fantasy since 12 man
Brother, the way back will be extremely hard, the series became a joke for many people in these last 17 years. Just enjoy it, one game at a time.
We, JRPGgays, also love Zeldas, From and Takashi shit. You don't need to fall into the traps set up by trolls and schizos that you know that spend too much time on this site
>Just consume product
No, frick off. I'm not going to blindly like something just because it has a genre label next to it.
I just cant understand people like you, i'm sorry. Seek help man... Therapy is not a joke and can help you find a more healthy way of living
The series was in a dump, have you forgotten? The Tabata PSP games, only 13 for a whole gen and the terrible vanilla 15. 14 1.0 as well. This one is the best since the Square Soft days
>MMOgay is a therapy-goer
kek
>room full of deranged, obese MMO addicts
KEK
>d-doesnt count
>go from 10-15 million person audience to 1 million audience
>we're winning
LMAO
>changes arguement when called out
Stay classy, pooBlack person
I never played a mmo im my entire life
I just am trying to help you find a better place man
It is what it is. If you are a fan of FF, you know that i'm right
>If you are a fan of FF, you know that i'm right
I agree FF has been shit for a long time. But that includes FF12 and 16. FF12 and 16 doesn't magically become good because the stuff between sucked.
You might be right about 12. I always think about the International Job System as the standard, but the release version was pretty bad too
>room full of deranged, obese MMO addicts
Yea, they are. I also heard the Morman Church is worth a quarter trillion dollars. Cults work.
>16 is good because everything before was so bad
That's...not really praising FF16.
>I just cant understand people like you
You don't understand people who prefer to play good games and avoid bad ones? Jesus.
>16 is the best final fantasy since 12 man
So it's boring, generic shit?
And this is the problem. 15 was the first FF for many players, and it completely ruined FF for them
owari da...
What will MMOgays say about this one?
Aside from that, SE is oddly tied to certain people despite their consistent failures. I imagine someone has dirt on someone else, nothing else explains how they have functioned for the last 15 years.
>What will MMOgays say about this one?
That MMOs weren't mentioned as a reason why the stock price dropped?
I want SE to die but reading this thread is funny. There are homies here thinking closing their mmo income is good for the company.
Aren't they releasing an NFT game? When's that coming? I want a swift death
No release date, tho i heard they'll be releasing two of those nft games
Friendly reminder that Mochizuki is a homosexual Xbox shill who's been wrong about multiple things multiple times.
new thread homosexuals
no, be productive, find happiness