>https://www.famitsu.com/news/202306/28307812.html
Final Fantasy XV had 5m confirmed sales day 1.
Final Fantasy XVI had 3m SHIPPED in a week. And those 3m include digital sales.
Now ask check for yourself, visit a few retailers (online and in stores) and see if they have more copies of FF16 to sell. Do they?
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>shipped
They make money selling to retailers, wholesale just like car manufacturers do. They've already made the money from the copy sold, its up to the retailers to get their share
Do majority of ps5s even have an optical drive?
new cope thread just dropped
We won Ganker. Another video game flopped. Now onto the next one.
FRICK video games.
3 million copies x $70 = $21,000,000.
Imagine making only $21 million.
Square will surely move to mobile gaming exclusive now. We did it!
You joke but this is SE we're talking about, this would very likely be considered an underperformance by their standards
>underperformance by their standards
they are a publicly traded company, they expected their top flagship to bring hundred of millions of dollars
XIII sold 1.9 in a YEAR and is considered a success.
>XIII
Regarding that:
>Square Enix had anticipated high initial sales for the game and shipped close to two million units for its launch.[122]
I wonder how many units were shipped for XVI...
Yeah, expected more but was still happy with it. They even allowed two sequels.
>Imagine making only $21 million.
After paying hundreds of staff, millions in marketing, and giving Sony their percentage? Yeah, mobile might be the way to go.
Wait, you're trying to tell me that Square doesn't get the entire 70 dollars back, and that stores aren't selling video games out of the goodness of their hearts?!
that is considering they take 100% of the sales, when in reality its close to 50%-70%
3 * 70 is 210.
210 million you absolute mouthbreather.
there's steam fee and tax and wages but they are already in the green and the figure will only get better for them. they will cross 5-6M in a year.
>steam fee?
The what? It's a PS5 exclusive.
Please don't reproduce we don't need your moron genes.
Not even reddit migrants are as clueless as you are.
Shipped.
This is the same company that called Hitman Absolution a failure after it sold 4 million goddamn copies, so the suits are probably shitting themselves at this number for their flagship franchise.
btw the number would be 210m not 21m, however that number is way off too since we're just talking about shipped copies; not to mention the cut they have to pay Sony.
Sony is paying them dumbass
Are you joking, or do you think PlayStation doesn't take a share of the earnings for games sold on their platform?
>american education
You IMBECILE
>3 million copies x $70 = $21,000,000
$210,000,000
>4 homie in a row doesn't se-
To be fair TB gachas are auto-battlers, it's not combat that sells them.
210 million is unironically pretty bad for a ff main game
At $5000 per staff member 100 staff would be 6 million for a year
FF16 was in development for 4-5 years
6x4 is 24 million
So far they've lost 3-9 million.
FF16 was not developed for 4-5 years. It was like 2-3 tops.
>holy COPE
It supposedly entered the concept phase back in 2015.
SE released FF15 in 2016 and even then FF16 was in pre-production.
In your head the devs just took a couple of years off to do other things in the time between releases?
Funny how media and fanboys were repeating some email from matt booty from 2019 recently but everyone seems to have forgotten what he recently said. AAA games at minimum take 5-6 years to make these days. And the number will only go up as they keep chasing fidelity.
More cope
>So far they've lost 3-9 million.
>he thinks 3 million times 70 is 21 million
My guy I'm begging you to go to school
>100 staff
kek, the credits are like 45 minutes long
They even had platinum games help.
it would be around $50k per staff, with others being much higher
$210m shipped/sold
licensing costs
And 100 staff is lowballing it lmao
Square actually flopped in mobile recently with that FFVII Fortnite clone. Game was dogshit.
I always get pleasure of reading headlines of another square turd gacha getting closed down after 6 months.
God I wish I could be as blissfully moronic as you
Anon, you can literally Google search for an online calculator.
the flop of the century
>$70
moron
take 30% off that figure
$147m
the game cost more than $300m
>the game cost more than $300m
Source?
>3 million copies x $70 = $21,000,000.
TOTK sold 3 times more in half of the time.
of course it did its the disney and apple of video games so everyone and their mother will buy it
Back in my days Square was the Disney and Apple of videogames. Then they decided we must never release a mainline FF game again and instead keep trying to sell those shitty ff7 spinoffs mashers as new mainline.
What was the game's budget? this is very important, if it was under 10 million then congratulations if not, then...
Jesus frick this board is full of actual 70 IQ morons
>one brain cell left
Most intelligent shitposter on Ganker
I find it hard to belive,
The PS5 has an actual game
I guess the final fantasy gays didn't want devil may cry action american rpg.
Surely advertising upskirts of an underage boy in a summer dress had nothing to do with it.
What the frick are you talking about?
Pretending to be ignorant isn't a good look.
What
Barry, I kneel.
>The last cope of doomers
XVI CHUDS WON
>the last cope
How do you figure? You can't seriously tell me you're celebrating 3m POTENTIAL sales tops?
>Literally made the same as re!4
>Which was celebrated as a huge success AND which was on every console ever
XVI chuddies are so back
Re4 remake was a cheap cash-grab. This was a AAA game meant to revitalize a dying franchise.
*wasn't
>Comparing FF to RE
In the old days, this is like comparing a tiger to a kitten but here we are.
Times have changed, Capcom games regularly break the tens of millions mark these days
and there's like 8 billion people in the world, "tens of millions" is fricking nothing these days.
>shipped
barry bros, our time is now
the game is a success
[citation required]
[citation nonexistent]
[reading comprehension required]
it did worse than ff7r ff15 and ff13
The game has only been out for 6 days. I already see it outselling FF15
>only
>6days
that's 75% of lifetime sales already. 95% by next week
notice how people defending 16 only show up on american hours, 14 trannies really are schizos
It doesn't count because people are starved for FF, because FF14 is not an actual FF.
Any self respecting Final Fantasy fan would hate both FF15 and FF16.
Action game trash. Frick the MMOs too.
I'm pretty sure that's not too far from what's happening.
>Any boomer Final Fantasy fan would hate both FF15 and FF16 (because its too hard boo hoo)
ftfy
FFXVI don't even have game over screen.
You just respawned at a checkpoints and if you died in a big long boss fight they will respawn you with full potions. Easiest way to refill your potions.
Also, the kaiju fight is tuned specifically. You will be given a set of skill and stat when you fight as ifrit + 5 strong healings button. Your damage, hp etc is tuned in a way that you would have to TRY to lose.
You can't do low level challenge or grind your way to beat it. Its a glorified movie scenes.
There is also no superboss. Your damage is FLAT against enemies of higher level since there is no defensive stat, so you can definitely kill lvl45 hunts as lvl 32 Clive.
There is no negative buff, malboro just puff out damage. No sleep, no slow, no posion, no nothing.
Not to mention the fake 'press the attack' countdown on some of the story bosses.
It does have a game over screen, with the same consequences as any other modern game. There's just a million more save states now than in your boomer era consoles.
Why do you homosexuals always gotta lie so much.
I wonder what message the SE executives will take from this?
The way I see it it's one of the following:
>1. FF clearly isn't popular anymore, we've tried everything and nothing's worked. Time to put it in maintenance mode and just milk the frick out of remakes, remasters, MMOs and gachas for the next 20 years.
>2. Making FF an action game was clearly a mistake, we've deviated too far from what kept fans interested and we need to look back to see what can be done to salvage it in the next entry.
>3. This was about as we expected, FF has been on a downhill slope for a while now and we need to adjust our expectations accordingly for this game.
>4. Making an exclusive deal with Sony is clearly not good in terms of sales and it makes the FF series seems smaller than it is, we need to either stop making exclusive deals or fanning out more than this.
>5. We have learned nothing from this, it is clearly a fluke, and we will attempt to make the lightning strike again with FF17. This time for sure!
Place your bets.
>Definitely something is wrong with the customers, allocate more funding to our NFT projects.
5
I'm going to guess it's something between 3 and 4. Statistics show that everything with the FF label since XV has been downhill, so they've probably prepped their board for that. The rest will just be cope and we'll see the same frickups with even lower sales come FF17.
5 of course, it was SE after all when they pulled the forspoken crap. Their insight is long gone.
The real answer is 6:
>Yoshi is clearly an genius and when the exclusive deal is up and we sell another 3m FF will officially be back on track.
It’s only selling “well” because PlayStation identifies as the LGBTQ console. There won’t be any PC sales now that the story elements are out of the closet
100% 5. Reminder they still got 2 NFT games in dev.
SE will double down on what they see as the "future of gaming", in other words dead-on-arrival NFT games.
I downright guarantee you that they've learned nothing.
>major AAA titan in the video game industry
>ever learning literally anything
I can't wait for Final Flop 17.
>Square
>major AAA titan
This isn't the 00s anymore.
Timmy will buy EGS exclusivity for 100 million dollars and the SE board will be pleased.
Useless shit producers running at a loss milking other useless shit producers running at a loss. Pottery.
Continue milking FF7
>Time to put it in maintenance mode and just milk the frick out of remakes, remasters, MMOs and gachas for the next 20 years.
They've been doing that anyway
5, these homies only solution to everything is to double down their autism, lmao.
2 and 4 truthfully. 3 and 5 realistically because of squeenix
5 will be the clear answer.
>1
Unrealistic, SE would never admit their golden goose is dry. Executive cope is one hell of a drug.
>2
That would be admitting defeat, and one thing we've learned is that it's better to double-down on mistakes than admit them and go back.
>3
Everything must grow, especially flagships like FF, "expecting less sales" sounds bad at board meetings.
>4
Maybe. Even SE have to be smelling the smoke at this point, but I doubt the Sony-money is easy to ignore.
>5
This is what they always take from bad calls. It is the children who are wrong.
I'm going to go with 1 and 5. This will somehow be the franchises fault and the audiences fault both at once.
5. ad infinitum
The name alone will always have people buying in. Hell I know someone that bought a PS5 just to play 16 even though they could've waited for PC release.
5, maybe 4 too
sisters...
Did Salt Romano copy the article yet for gematsu? I can't wait for his delicious cope today. The comment section is going to be a minefield.
ff needs a true visionary. duno why people talk about yoshida, this fool cloned wow, so wat
this is what happens, cloning doesn't always work you idiots
>A game who was entirely developed for the sole purpose of selling as much as possible, with the most aggressive marketing campaign in the franchise history, dozens of false-advertising trailers, promoted as the second coming of Jesus Christ, pandering to the most normalgay possible audience, including a CGI movie with well-known actors and an anime series sold more than a game made with the main purpose of... making a game.
Gee who would've ever though, Barry!
>A game who was entirely developed for the sole purpose of selling as much as possible
As opposed to 16 which was clearly made to sell as little as possible. Nice to see that some goals are being achieved.
>As opposed to 16 which was clearly made to sell as little as possible.
Wasn't it? It's like it was specifically designed to split the FF fanbase even further apart while catering to neither nips or westerners.
Besides the movie part that also to XVI.
Look man, i just want them to go back to turn based. If I wanted to play an action game, then I'll just play an actual action game like DMC, not this bland middle of the road crap. Persona 5 was really successful, so why can't square just pull its head out of its ass and go back to basics? Try a new spin on the job system, maybe do a new variation on the atb system kinda like XIII did but better, maybe include some of octopaths mechanics or QoL changes.
That's the point, the reason SE is producing so many games such as Octopath, Bravely, Triangle Strategy, DioField Whatever, Harvestella, Tactics Ogre Reborn and so on is to cater to the turn-based and nostalgia crowd.
They want people like you to move on to these while FF moves elsewhere.
Tactics ogre looks awesome so I'll probably buy it, octopath was really mediocre, not sure about the other ones.
I played Tactics Ogre Reborn recently and it was one of the best RPG experience I got in many years.
Octopath II was okay bu I admit I used the Ochette exploit to destroy the game because I couldn't care about the combat.
The issue with this is:
1. Most of those new retro games are not on the same level of quality as older FF games, especially Octopath.
2. Most of the FF games they made since their obsession with reinventing the wheel started were extremely flawed.
>1. Most of those new retro games are not on the same level of quality as older FF games, especially Octopath.
>2. Most of the FF games they made since their obsession with reinventing the wheel started were extremely flawed.
I agree with this. When you look at something such as Elden Ring, it doesn't come from nowhere, FromSoft has been refining its formula over 5-6 games. Persona 5 largely builds upon what P3 and P4 did before. RE4R comes after RE2 and RE3 remakes.
FF starting from scratch each time doesn't allow them to iterate on what they have, which is unsustainable in the current dev environment of AAA release taking 5+ years to ship. Which is why FF cannot reach TOTK or Elden Ring status right now.
what does this mean:
※1 PS5 版の発売から6ヶ月独占販売
>※1 PS5 版の発売から6ヶ月独占販売
*1 Exclusive sales for 6 months from the release of PS5 version
no shit but I need a real Japanese to explain the meaning
use your brain and rearrange the words like a regular westoid deciphering asiatic language
do it for me
Sony roach
"The pleasure of being cummed inside by the single exclusive the PS5 has for 6 months."
is FF16 coming to Xbox in 6 months? every Sony roach is ignoring that line
No. Apparently Sony helped the game when they showed up to refill Yoshi-P coffee mug.
Sony usually does 6-12 months till PC and then another 6-12 months to Xbox release. Unless they go even more cancerous than usal and pay to block it forever like ff7r.
official press release now says it's 6 months PS5 exclusive
wtf
There's an asterisk in the trailer(s) that mentions it'll be console exclusive to something like the end of this year. Not even joking, and its been the case for a long while.
How many physical copies did they actually ship? Because the boxed sales in the UK and on Amazon USA were very low. Game was doing alright on Amazon Japan though.
It will be interesting to see the sell through when the famitsu numbers release though I think a big chunck of the games they've shipped are console bundles and not stand alone software
It'll be interesting to see how soon we get another update, as low sell-through means less orders for shipments. It might end up not getting an update like FFVIIR after its first proper milestone.
>New cope thread
Getting queasy, huh chuddies?
>I made the staff watch Game of Thrones
Maybe you should have made them play Final Fantasy
Holy frick lmaaao did Yoshi P really do this? What a clown.
sadly yes
Based Yoshi-P wanted no homies in his game because there's no homies in his reality. This chink is a fricking clown and deserves to be hanged for killing the series.
There's also a shit ton of influences from Japanese media.
https://www.gamesradar.com/final-fantasy-16-combat-interview/
>"All of that kind of focuses around the concept of the Eikon, which is one of our central themes in the game. And those Eikons, the traditional summons of the Final Fantasy series, as long as you have that and you have that main core focus, then you're going to get that Final Fantasy feel with it. And then on top of that, the inspiration came from things like Ultraman, Kamen Rider, Evangelion, Attack on Titan, that type of Japanese Tokusatsu [live action], the anime, the manga that we all grew up with is definitely an influence."
And in general, the whole team has influences across all media and games, but it's not dictating what they want to do. They're just implementing the things they really really like
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/final-fantasy-xvi-is-a-lot-like-god-of-war-and-its-director-knows-it/1100-6511847/
>As for other influences, I consume so much other media that there's going to probably be a lot of things that have influenced me, but it's not like I went out of my way to say, "Okay, I really like this from this game and so I'm going to use this in the game." It's more just like I've consumed so much media that those bits that I absorb are going to come out in what I create.
>This is probably something we've said for our whole staff. We have a lot of great people on our staff that, again, are really, really into movies and games and anime. They all have the things that they work on in the game, so you're going to see influences from lots of different things, things that they really enjoy, because that's what this kind of game is about. We wanted to make it something that we enjoyed.
>And in general, the whole team has influences across all media and games
Except FInal Fantasy.
HIRE PEOPLE WHO LIKE TURNBASED FINAL FANTASY YOU HACKS
Now post Forspoken numbers.
Forspoken is still on npd best selling of 2023 as of end of may while octopath 2 dropped off
octopath 2 was announced to have hit 1m meaning Forspoken did over 1m
https://www.vgchartz.com/article/267083/final-fantasy-xv-sells-an-estimated-265m-units-first-week-at-retail
>vgchartz
aww the xiv cultists are trying so hard
Me: dodging every non turn based, heavy on cinematics Final Fantasy game since XIII
It has that square enix problem.
They are selling you action game but you spend most of the game talking to boring NPC.
It has some interesting ideas, but it has that FF7R approach.
There is no evidence of this numbers.
The game is top of the sales, behind zelda.
Cannot forget about forspoken flop, wich probably hurt ffxvi sales
> x flopped
Like all those popular games this year that were definitely going to flop but broke all sorts of records ?
>only 3 million copies
Well, that's underwhelming for an AAA game. It's fitting though. The game itself is very underwhelming.
*sells 10 million in a single day*
KNEEL
Doesn't count. Sony doesn't compete with nintendo. because they know they can't lmao
Digital sales > shipment
people actually buy the game instead discs sitting inside trashbin at the store.
after covid, no one buys physical disc
I still have a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that these AAA games can sell millions and still not even break even because their budgets are fricking astronomical.
Meanwhile something like P5 gets similar numbers, but the company considers it an overwhelming success because the game didn't have a budget that dwarfs a space program.
S-Enix just lies.
I don't think FFXVI costs more than 200 mil top.
Why would they lie about budget? This isn't like movies where boasting about your huge budget is commonplace. Videogame companies seem to feel shame how much budget they spend on dev, marketing and exclusivity.
Why would they not?
There's a lot of corruption involved in Japanese companies.
Yoshida hinted that FFXVI have a budget of 100 million.
For a 40h AAA is really not a lot nowadays.
They should already have made their money back.
Let's hope S-E isn't moronic.
Given lack in marketing and MMO background, I'd say a 100 million budget is most likely. 210 million profit combined with exclusivity payout, SE is probably happy right now.
>Lack of marketing
Bro they did a promo in the tower of London, had a bunch of ads, multiple developer round tables, sponsored multiple streamers to play not only the demo but the actual game.
>Given lack in marketing
I've seen FFXVI ads all over the goddamn place. I even saw it on a European sports channel, and I can't remember ever seeing any other vidya ads there.
>I'd say a 100 million budget is most likely
I highly doubt that considering that FF7 had a dev budget equivalent to 250 million.
>210 million profit
That's not how it works anon.
FFXVI is much smaller in cope than FF7, lesser models even.
>FFXVI is much smaller in cope
I don't know Anon, the cope is looking pretty generous to me.
I meant scope*
I know, I was just having a laugh.
Do we have a number for 7remake's budget?
For 16 we have a quote of Yoshida saying "upward of 100 millions".
Nope, but upward of 100 millions for FFXVI should be fine.
Shit, that's lesser than Genshit.
>lack in marketing
I'd argue the other way around. I've never seen so much oddly specific marketing endorsed by the owning company before.
Not to mention that the shills on this site alone have been insane.
The shills are in your head, anon. Touch grass
>shills aren't real
>posts out of touch dated shill phrase
>shill in uk
>tank your sales down to 30k
lol
B-but it had no marketing AIEEEEEEEEEEEEE
What the actual FRICK is that thing on the left???
It's called "English cuisine" and another staggering argument against ever going to England.
>a burger bun with some food coloring sends Gankerirgins into screaming fits of insanity
Just ol blip on the blackie. Got an issue withit, c**t?
Nah its non existential marketing, that shit is cheap as hell compared to making a full lenght tie-in movie alongside commercials in closed cable tv time slots
Overwatch had a massivelly bigger marketing campaign than this, thats a actual marketing campaign, it was everywhere
>non existent marketing
kek
Next it will be that XVI cost 0 dollars to produce
If you dont have tv time slots even at third world countries then your marketing campaign is small, even Horizon and nuGow had bigger marketing campaigns
anon...there was a live action ad campaign for XVI.
There was also a plastering of subways, etc.
They spent a ton on streamers.
But no...nothing happened you're right. It was a 0 cost game to make and market.
https://mp1st.com/news/final-fantasy-16-live-action-tv-spot-revealed-demo-mentioned-in-other-ads
They even paid for UEFA champion's leage time slots...kek
They just expect bigger returns from a bigger investment.
Eg. If a $10,000,000 game brings in $100,000,000 in profit then a $100,000,000 game must bring in a $1,000,000,000 profit, right?
But of course it never works that way, and when it does it's usually by accident
>But of course it never works that way
But you know what does? Money spent in marketing has a pretty linear correlation with sales, at least in the movie industry. It's probably not that different for games, although games are hurt by platform exclusivity.
i mean they're graphically not even comparable. and ff16 is 1/3rd cutscenes, so they have to pay animators/voice actors/writers top dollar compared to personas more simplified budget and graphics. its like a ps3/vita game pretty much. obviously one cost way more so they expect to break even.
reality is they're moronic. things like fall guys or cuphead which took pennies to make all become successful and more popular than some of these AAA titles. also why nintendo wins with their pokemon/zelda/mario. people said totk was just botw expansion with not that much improvement in graphics/size, yet it still sold a frick ton. sure these are establisehd ip, but it goes to shoe the level of laziness or cheapness you can put into a game and get tenfold returns compared to AAA jannies adding polygons to their shit games.
Yeah I hate botw as Zelda fan but at least it was a decent game. They sold out/expanded to the right crowd. I doubt they would have made totk if botw bombed hard, but ti did better than any Zelda game ever and they capitalize on it. Square would never.
All of this started with GTA and Destiny having a budget for marketing higher than the one for development
didn't VIIR sell more
3.5 I think, on launch week? I don't remember.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_VII_Remake
within three days even, not whole week
3 days. So half the time. XV did 2 million more in just its first day.
It released on more platforms
It released only on the PS4 at launch. Don't join a discussion if you don't even know the bare minimum.
FFXV? It released Nov 29 2016 on both platforms. Don't make a pissy comment with the wrong information.
7 Remake, which was the point of the comment correcting the claim of the first week. XV was additional info.
And you mentioned XV as if a multiplat release is worth a comparison
Good job grasping after pulling BS.
We'll play your game. Of course it's worth comparison. It came to Xbox where Japanese software does jackshit. If you assume that it did HALF it's numbers on Xbox (which is well beyond utter lunacy), it would still BTFO XVI in the most tremendous way imaginable. XV did its 5 million units in a SINGLE DAY. That's six or seven x less time on the market while still pushing a higher number. Feel free to keep coping, though.
You are arguing with a person who is blind to reality around them. These people are treating 3m as a massive win and will literally shut everything else out.
>muh japan
You dumb nigs actually think japan is the main market
You're illiterate. If I wanted to bring up the regional numbers, I could list the known Famitsu numbers at launch and make a note of the over 200x difference. FFXV is a Japanese game. Japanese games don't sell well on Xbox anywhere.
And XV sales pretty much stopped the same day, so...
It went on to exceed 10 million units and become one of the highest selling entries in the history of the franchise.
It literally made all of those sales in a week and then flatlined when news got out that the game was horribly unfinished for the final third. The Royal Editions barely moved, and eventually crowded discount shelves.
Again, the game went on to eventually sell 10 million units- double the launch shipments and digital sales, becoming one of the best selling entries in the franchise. Keep coping.
How is 3 million in 6 days bad? The game had a non-existant hype until a week ago
This is the best selling FF in ages considering the dev time and timed exclusivity.
Even goddamn FF7R has PS4 port.
>the dev time
it took 8 years to develop FFXVI, around the same time as XV
>timed exclusivity
VIIR sold 3.5 million in 3 DAYS
FFVIIR has PS4 port, you moran.
So does God of Wars: R.
FFXVI is big dick PS5 exclusive, only PS5 alone.
You don't even know what you're talking about
VIIR was a PS4 exclusive game, it wasn't until almost 1 and a half years later that it was ported to PS5, and Epic store 2 years later
There was more PS4 around than PS5.
PS4 is one of the best selling consoles ever.
>PS4 port
It launched on the PS4 exclusively, actually. In the same way as XVI. The 3 day numbers are from when there were no other platforms involve. Now imagine the possibility that XVI tappers off like FF7R and never gets a sales update again after its first milestone.
Surely they're already working on the next FF game as we speak.
Hopefully it's with Hiroyuki Ito at the helm.
>8 years
What the christ.
>it took 8 years to develop FFXVI, around the same time as XV
nah , they spend a lot of times as a skeleton crew figuring out shit. yoshida said the actual dev time was 6 years .
even if you want to talk full development ff16 still had 1 year longer than ffxv
ffxv full development started 2013 released 2016
ff16 full development started 2019 released 2023
>they spend a lot of times as a skeleton crew figuring out shit
Just like xv then.
Welp. Next cope shillbros?
and VIIR had a 15 year dev time huh
Yeah and more people had a ps4 at the time compared to people who have a PS5 now
Shazamsisters are having a meltdown because their doomposting was in vain
>FFXV 50m install base at launch
>FFXVI 40m install base at launch
So what's the cope for the flop now. Let's not pretend xbox would have saved it
You don't understand. People who support Yoshi have made this their sacred cow. They will NEVER let anyone touch it, even if it means saying that 5m is somehow lower than 3m.
Denying all reality is literally on the table for these people.
is it just me or 3m on frickling PS5 seems to be like a rounding success? FF7 Remake made only 3.5 millions with PS4 in a fricking huge install base, and it HAD the FF7 name on it.
FFXV was multiplat from the start and it was like, the most hyped game ever (at least Versus was).
Yes, it's the best PS5 launch in history.
Even God of Wars has Sony pussying out with a PS4 port.
3 million people own a PS5? 2.5 million more than I expected.
its about 2.9 more than xbox currently, yah. no wonder ff16 didn't bother releasing on xbxo LOL
seething snoy
What's next on the list to save ps5?
game is a huge success, cry more xbuck lmao
holy copium and/or illiteracy
>Final Fantasy XV had 5m confirmed sales day 1.
Nah it was shipped
Because 2/3 of the people interested in it still cant get a fricking PS5.
>Final Fantasy XV had 5m confirmed sales day 1.
>Final Fantasy XVI had 3m SHIPPED in a week. And those 3m include digital sales.
Isn't that the actual opposite? Didn't 15 ship 5m and 16 sell 3m? 15 only sold 2.6m on the first week iirc
16 was shipped as well.
Is it shit Ganker?
I don't remember having a boss fight as kino as Titan
I'm having fun with it
Barry is literally getting fricked in the ass by YoshiP right now.
But barry won sincerely ff15 sold 5m and 16 only did 3m
xiv cultists are you incapable of doing math?
ugh I'm not buying a PS5 just for FF16
I guess you can just laugh at my cope until the PC port
>ps5 only
morons
I would have literally bought it if it was on pc, now they can't eat shit, I'll pirate it when it comes to epic
>Square Enix won
>gamers won
Barry lost
but 16 is the lowest selling FF yet
keep telling yourself that Barry lmao
homie we literally see the numbers
3m is lower than any ff
It's true.
Considering how fast its falling down on amazon it probably won't see 4million til it goes multi-plat.
>flopped
Gaming is healing
You people know that SE, and every other company, counts their sales in amount shipped to retailers, right?
SE is not a retailer. They don't sell games to people. They sell them to retailers who sell them to people.
As OP pointed out, the far more interesting number is how many of your local retailers have copies LEFT to sell.
How vapid are you. Shipped is the most important as far as immediate financials go, but actual sales and the trajectory are what will determine their lessons and perspective for the future and wether the direction and decisions made involving the game were the right ones. If a game has high numbers shipped but doesnt sell even after word of mouth then clearly its a stinker that while they may have gotten away with it this time financially (aka shipped units) they will not risk that type of direction again as the next entry may not be so lucky if it is known by the audience that those mistakes are repeated
XVI was resoundingly rejected by people and will be a one-off swept under the rug
imagine what those sales would be if it weren't stuck on a shit console nobody owns or wants
Yes, they could even have been 3.1m!
Lmao goes to show what good word of mouth/demo/reviews could do for a game. I really don't think it would have hit this number without them. But XVI is selling similarly to the most hyped XV and one of the most beloved game's remake 7R. Hype!
MMOgays now coping by trying to downplay ps5 sales to less than they actually are lol
You will never be a woman barry
Barry, You've already lost. XVI Chads stay winning.
xvi cultists sure do have a funny way of coping
Wait, are you seriously sitting on Ganker of all places trying to do a revisionism that a game this board thoroughly shat on and mocked is good akshually? Maybe try this on reddit or youtube, buddy
xvi cultists malding
I don't own a PS5. I haven't played it. But it will be quite a feat to be worse than the absolute disaster garbage fires of 13 and 15, yes.
woooow a game that's exclusively sold on a console that nobody has flops? Holy moly did not see this coming. I'm not going to buy a PS5 I already spent all my extra money on a 4080 so I'm stuck with PC for the next 5 years.
Why is FF stuck in a rut? You know they moved to this direction because they wanted bigger sales
Because they're leaving all their old fans behind and not making any new ones because zoomers don't play Final Fantasy.
all the millenial/boomer FF fans want turn-based and then all the zoomers want action fighting games. There is no way to win.
2 decades of bad games will do that
It used to be a franchise you could speak about in the same breath as Zelda or GTA but they failed to maintain and now the only people left who care are the aging SNES and PS1 kiddies. This is just the end result of tarnishing the brand's image with so much mediocre shit for so many years.
>now the only people left who care are the aging SNES and PS1 kiddies
I honestly believe only ff7 fangirls are left. Never seen an actual oldschool fan still care.
Gentlemen, how do we save FF?
Fire the MMO devs. Make a JRPG. Simple as.
catgirls and bunnygirls with fat asses and big breasts
Yoshi already did it though?
This board is going to complain about literally anything they make. Unless it's specifically tailored to Ganker. In which case, nobody else will buy it.
Hire Atlus/Vanillaware.
Next game would be a harem story where the summons are female spirits.
By hiring this guy to make the next mainline FF title
>1st white haired protagonist since Cecil
make ffxvii about all the ff girls having a giant futa-orgy while the great "ff fans" watch as they get fricked in the ass for being giant douches on high horses thinking only they can decide and come up with what final fantasy really is.
Yoshi-sama will save it with FF XVII: A Fantasy Reborn. Trust the plans
>Gentlemen, how do we save FF?
I don't think you can with SE's current regime and they basically chased out most of the competent people who would be getting ready to succeed the old guard.
Just release the next Bravely Default as Final Fantasy and release it worldwide every system day 1 with slightly more budget for polish.
Easy 10 million and peoplke will eat their ass again for return to form.
Nah, SE executives would force Asano to water down what makes Bravely Default unique so that it can 'appeal' to more potential consumers.
Stop hiring people who think "jrpg" is hate speech.
Make another BotW/Genshin gacha clone but based off FF saga, with true MMO elements, and go full coomer with designs. I just earned you a couple billions you'll find my account info attached in the email field.
Release on switch
are we going to pretend XV didn't kill the series now? left sour taste in gamer's mount
Absolutely, and now SE has shown us that the sour taste is here to stay. This was their chance to cleanse our pallets with something good and all we got was more shit.
>DUUUDE the game gets good 600 hours in
3 million on a platform half of Ganker is too poor to afford. If it was multiplatform or on even on PS4 it would have gotten easy 7+ million and Ganker wouldn't have to be so sour grapes about it
Don't worry it'll come out on PC and your poor ass can finally pirate it, once you can afford current day components that is, until then keep browsing Ganker as gaming is not a poorBlack person's hobby
You could said the same for Shenmue, but look what happened with the Dreamcast.
PS5 was at nearly 40 million units in April. The PS4 was somewhere around 50 million by the end of 2016 supposedly. The gulf just isn't there for this cope.
What is the target audience for the Final Fantasy games?
i played FFVII recently and it was so fricking cringe, it was unplayable.
for who are these games being made?
>not for kids, because "SHIT FRICKS" are in dialogues non stop
>not for kids due to all the breasts being flaashed everywhere, obviously coom bait
>not for adults, either, because the story and dialogues seem to be written by a 5 year old child afraid of talking to girls in his kindergarten class
who the frick is the target audience for these cringe games?
>well, beta nerds who like coom-baits
if thats the case, selling 3 mln copies is a gigantic fricking success.
>i played FFVII recently
No you didn't.
I think that's part of the problem. From FF6/7 to around 10/12 FF was always made for genX/millennials.
SE (correctly I might add) concluded that they needed to reach zoomers, or better yet gen alpha, if FF is to survive. If this means jading a few million genX/zoomers then so be it.
The problem is that they have no idea how to reach that new audience, so they're trying the 90s trick of having it seem mature and action-packed and cool and there's sex, as to draw in the zoomers. But zoomers are fried from prostitutes on TikTok and instant-gratification from gachas. Meaning they're not reaching them.
Now they're stuck with a dwindling number of genX/millennials while zoomers just don't care.
Meanwhile Pokeshit and Fromsoft effortlessly got zoomer in their bags, it's fricking sad, to be honest.
Zoomers seem to be a really elusive market for modern video games. Why is that?
Zoomers just want good games. Very few devs are willing to accept such a thing. They want Zoomers to be moronic hyperconsumers for x or y game type.
Yeah it was actually never easier to get people on a game en mass if it is just fun and looks colourful.
But the old people in charge still think nintendo is for kids and doesnt count so of course they can't just do what is liked.
because zoomers fall strictly into 2 categories:
1. Absolute braindead sheep that will only consume industry staples like GTA, COD, FIFA/2K, Fortnite, etc.
2. Autists that only follow a singular company (Riot zoomers will only player LoL, Valorant etc) or whatever their favorite streamer is playing aka FOTM crap.
Meanwhile Alphababies will only play Minecraft, Fortnite and Roblox. Strictly nothing else.
i didnt understand a single fricking sentence from this post.
>genx, millenials, gen alpha, zoomers, boomers,
please either learn how to speak in english or have a nice day.
>BUT YOU MUST LEARN A TERM FOR PEOPLE BORN IN EVERY SINGLE YEAR
please, have a nice day.
>i didnt understand a single fricking sentence
>please either learn how to speak in english
I love how you misspell shit in your own declaration that you don't understand anything while recommending others learn English. I could laugh at this all day.
people who use
>genx, millenials, gen alpha, zoomers,boomers
need to kill themselves.
its something that needs to be done so that the human race can continue existing.
How about we start with people who don't master the English language? Or do you want to make more moronic statements we can chuckle at?
>What is the target audience for the Final Fantasy games?
Jim Ryan paying for exclusivity.
I strongly feel FF wouldbe allowed to return to its roots and form if Sony stopped being interested in it.
It's funny they wanted new blood to buy the game because it's full action and more westernized, but zoomers didn't buy it.
OH NO NO NO AHAHAHAHAHAHA LOWEST SALES IN THE FRANCHISE
Why do tendies get so obsessed with non Nintendo games flopping? What a cringey hill to die on
Nice projection.
It's actually amazing that 3 million people were willing to put $70 to Square-Enix after how trash FFXV was.
Good, gaming is healing
>Barry cope thread
ITS OVER BARRY
barry won you fricking moron lmao THIS IS LITERALLY THE LOWEST SALES ANY FF HAS EVER HAD
Even fricking FF9 sold more
What exactly was the goalpost? If it sold less than 15 what was the win?
>at first xvi was gonna be the ultraflop that puts SE in bankruptcy
>now its just "the lowest selling ff game"
>in a few years the narrative will be "sales don't matter"
What goalposts were moved moron? we're talking about its sales being lower than any ff which is why its so bad
its worse than both
So can you post a screenshot of your PS5 with the playtime or..?
>sold 2.6 mil copies in 5-6 months
>sold 5.5 mil in a lifetime
It just proves that XV ruined the brand just like XIII did back in the day.
IX not XIII*
I'm truly moronic, was thinking about versus XIII
Once again I have to correct this by saying it was only XIV 1.0 that damaged the brand. As SE admitted themselves.
Yeah, can't be because they failed to give 16 mass appeal.
>xiv cultist so mindbroken its citing made up vgchartz numbers instead of actual numbers
xv 5m day 1
xv 6m 1 month
xv 6.5m in 11 months
xv 7.7m in july 2018
xv 8.1m in sep 2018
xv 8.4m in 2 years on nov 2018
xv 8.9m in 2019
xv 9.5m in feb 2021
xv 9.8m in nov 2021
xv 10m+ in may 2022
og ff7 5.17m in 11 momths
og ff7 6.57m in 2 years on jan 1999
og ff7 9.3m in 6 years in march 2003
og ff7 9.8m in 8 years in june 2005
og ff7 10m after 10 years
ff7r 3.5m in 3 days
ff7r 5m in 4 months
ff7r 5m in 1 year
ff7r 5m in 2 years
ff7r 5m in 3 years (only did 500k on steam so 5.5m at minimum)
ff16 3m in a week
kh3 5m in a week
>he says as he posts a ton of numbers without any sources
Hopefully this will make them rethink DQ12 direction.
If they are serious about that, they are fricking morons
DQ12 will be the exact same shit they have done for 35 years, I don't get why people are freaking out.
>DQ12 will be the exact same shit they have done for 35 years, I don't get why people are freaking out.
>Tales of producer says that Arise is going to be more adult-oriented
Tales of Arise is the exact same shit Tales of has always been
>Atlus says that their next game is going to be completly different from what they usually do
Metaphor is basically Persona with a steampunk coat of paint
We've been there befor with Japanese PR
Also Yuji Horii is what, 75 years old ? Do we really think he's gonna shake the franchise he's been directing his whole like at this point ?
Because people are scared of the usual SE bullshit
I just want DQ12 released worldwide on day one on PS5, Series S/X, Switch, Nintendo's next console if it's already out, and PC
It needs to be a single player turn based jrpg with no microtransactions made by Horii, Sugiyama and Toriyama
Well, Sugiyama is dead and it's an open secret that Toriyama has done jack shit for DQ for decades and all the designers are merely copying his artstyle.
Now do you understand why I'm worried?
That said, music is hardly something you can complain about from SE games, so they'll probably just use remixes of his songs and a few new ones in that style, maybe that won't be a problem
As for Toriyama, he's still present, and gives DQ its signature look
>I don't get why people are freaking out.
It's next on Squares moronic CEOs chopping block. These are the dumbfricks that trie to turn Legacy of Kain into a fricking moba before selling off the entire IP and more.
FFVIIR had 3.5m on launch tho, your point?
In 3 days, XVI numbers is a week.
That's true, still the difference isn't that big. VIIR had its big name and hype behind it, and doesn't isn't that affected by XIII and XV ruining the franchise's image.
>That's true, still the difference isn't that big.
If FFXVI's post launch sales are just as good as FFVIIR's then 3 years from now it will still be under 5million sales. Which would make it the lowest selling mainline entry since before the PS1.
i miss the 1-2 year release windows for the old ff games.
i don't need photorealism. i don't even need voice acting. just bring back the fun gameplay and the fun stories.
Why are people acting as if this game is some "betrayal" to a series that has been dogshit and effectively dead (to people with taste) since 2009?
Hate porn.
>Claire denier
>Frogposter
Even you will be saved, frogfriend. Kneel before the Queen and Saviour - l'Éclair.
Yoshi-P sisters... what happened to him? I thought he was the second coming of our lord and savior and he promised FF16 will save the series.. Was he a conman all this along?
Does XVIgays realized that they are just like Barry?
That's the funny part.
They don't.
Maybe the true barry was the mental illness we fostered inside our minds along the way.
This thread looks not unlike any other thread from games like REmake4 earlier this year. Some delusional schizo shits up all discourse of the game, and everyone has to make a concerted effort to talk around it because unfortunately for us it is not legal to find this person's house and kill them.
How do they keep fricking up their games? Why abandon your core audience just to chase popular trends?
Define what the core audience of Final Fantasy is.
Turn-based gamers who like cool well-written characters, surreal stories set in interesting worlds. Considering FF16 is delivering none of that, it's no wonder it flopped.
It's literally all of that but it's not turn based so spergs use that as an excuse to cry on image boards because they don't actually enjoy games anymore.
>cool well-written characters
I enjoyed FF16 but it has 3 characters they spent more than 2 minutes on
Well then it's not hitting the core audience anymore is it now?
Oh and FF16 is by no definition on God's green Earth "well written".
It is well written. You just are going off of shitpost spoilers and don't really have story context. Which is akin to being a liar.
I don't have to do that Anon. I can just post one image and let the rage flow from the cultists as it always does.
What?
>it was all a dream
>I used to read final fantasy magazine
>hanging cutscenes on the wall
>MMOs HRT and cutting off your balls
>hallways and QTE
>XVI ACK attack
>yoshit-pee trannies seethe
>Obsessed with shit and pee, trannies and self mutilation
Why is it these weirdos every time?
You know you're just proving his point right? Is this really a gotcha moment for you?
>it's bad because it's a book
fanfiction lmao
>totally nta uguise, lemme explain to you why this ending is bad
Lmao it's so obvious
I can tell you're very angry and schizophrenic.
your doomie post inspired confusion rather than seething and now you're coping hard
>seething and now you're coping hard
Sounds like projection
>Anon says you take spoilers out of context to shit on a game you haven't played
>moron to totally own him shows spoilers of the ending out of context
>Take that!
>Cope!
>Projecting!
>I have run out of words!
>ending out of context
That's cool but its still fanfiction.
Any other answer is unironically your headcanon.
You can't even quote it right, you are losing your grip schizokun. It's time for your thorazine injection now.
>Fastest self own in the west
>it was all just a fairy tale
How bold of them to reveal that right after the credit kek
>It is well written.
Frick no. The story is full of convenient coincidences, and the dialogues are either empty or full of exposition. Show me ONE good dialogue.
The cringiest conversation was that moronic stunted conversation with Ultima during the ending where he just blurts out “Mythos?!” with long pauses before and after it apropos of nothing.
I could have been “Pathos” I don’t really remember what stupid word they used, because I don’t really give a frick about this game enough to remember it. You can find it for yourself its the conversation during the last fight if you really want to know.
> It could have been
Why do I have to show them to you? Haven't you played it?
>How do they keep fricking up their games? Why abandon your core audience just to chase popular trends?
Because they're insane. They think they can take a exclusivity deal with a the same console they've been on for 26 years. But also somehow target new audiences who never played Final Fantasy.
Cause sometimes it works.
Zelda was at least always an action-combat exploration puzzle game from the very first entry
Which wasn't good enough for Nintendo.
>published 2 days ago
Frick off journalists, post a real date or go bankrupt
>Q: On that note, I think a lot of people share the viewpoint that Ocarina of Time was kind of the starting point for one era of Zelda games, laying the foundation for the several titles that came after it. Do you see Breath of the Wild as establishing the new blueprint or foundation of the next several Zelda games for years to come?
>EA: With Ocarina of Time, I think it's correct to say that it did kind of create a format for a number of titles in the franchise that came after it. But in some ways, that was a little bit restricting for us. While we always aim to give the player freedoms of certain kinds, there were certain things that format didn't really afford in giving people freedom. Of course, the series continued to evolve after Ocarina of Time, but I think it's also fair to say now that we've arrived at Breath of the Wild and the new type of more open play and freedom that it affords. Yeah, I think it's correct to say that it has created a new kind of format for the series to proceed from.
https://www.gameinformer.com/interview/2023/05/12/interview-tears-of-the-kingdom-and-the-state-of-zelda-with-aonuma-and
>shipped 3m
>mogged the frick out of ff15
yeah im thinking these daily cope threads are only going to get funnier
but it lost to ff15
81% of 5m is higher than 88% of 3m
brain damage? both of them have 109 critic reviews, 88 vs 81
I have no horse in this race but the way Ganker have been raving about its doom and failure for the past month I expect a AAA game that sells less than 2 millions in its first week.
Ganker wants every game ever made to be a massive flop so their precious children's hobby dies and is destroyed
>numbersnumbersnumbers
Who actually gives a shit?
Are you all so mindbroken that you literally can't argue that the game is good/bad without seeking the refuge of popular opinion?
Everyone knows it's shit, that's why it's not fun to talk about anymore. It's more fun laughing at cultists who think they can cope a number into growing.
The truth is that the game is great, and more people are seeing that as they are finishing it. The issue is that currently, the conversation is dominated by people who can't or won't play the game shitting on it for completely fabricated reasons and trying to pretend to be credible, like people saying that only the demo was good who obviously haven't fought Titan or Bahamut.
>completely fabricated reasons
Would that be EXCEPT the number that's on the top of this thread or have you too just coped yourself into that not being true or being good enough or whatever?
No I'm just anticipating that this game's sales are going to grow over time as it is a worthy PS5 title, and will be getting good word of mouth in real life from people who aren't schizos wasting their time trying to convince Ganker the game is bad.
Basically the inverse of how XV's sales exponentially slowed down week after week.
I'm also not a homosexual who spends more time looking at sales and articles about a game I don't like than to enjoy a game I do, so I feel like at the very least I have a moral victory of not being so pathetic as to waste my own time.
Really wonder what reddit thread you copypaste these from.
I make my own posts, unlike you.
final fantasy and especially jarpig subreddits are pretty much against XVI though
Has one single person in this thread played the video game? What is the point of this board?
To discuss video games, moron. You don't need to play them to talk about them.
Autist containment
yeah I do i like the strong spells
This game is good. It's a huge fricking shame it's trapped on the shitstation for now, it's not doing its sales any favors. Worst of all, I bet square puts it on epic when it comes to PC for another 8 months
I can't wait for FF17 to be a fighting game but not like Dissidia or Dissidia NT because they need to innovate! Probably something like Dragonball FigherZ or another arena fighter like 90% of anime games.
More importantly, how was Forglopen sales comparatively with its first week? Forget about XV, it's this game that Barry has been pitting against XVI for years since the XVI first reveal.
Final Fantasy is beyond saving at this point. It stopped selling well as a turn based JRPG. It didn't sell well as an action game either despite all the talent they hired for FF16.
It does pretty well as an MMORPG.
They should invest more in gacha
its not beyond saving. its just that SE is not a good developer anymore
Are the pixel remake games any good? I kinda want to replay 5 and 6 (I have 4 and After Years on PSP and finished it recently so no reason to buy that one)...
Barrybros…we won
a worse metascore and user reception
and tanked the brand
I was larping as Barry of shits and giggles and I still can't believe ff16 came out that short lmao. I wonder if ff14/yoship cutlists overhyped it and it failed to deliver. So far it's not bad but not exactly what the hype made me expect...
Funny how the best part of FF16 was the demo. I don't get how Yoshi-P thought it would be a good idea to make people anticipate a video game version of GoT and make it go full anime halfway.
Holy cope lmao, all the b***hing and complaints about ffxvi comes from on rails cutscene heavy shit, this new narrative you troons are crafting about how the demo fooled everyone to justify high sales is so plainly obvious to anyone with a brain
Wait a second ffxiv has 500 million active subscribers and you are telling me less than 1% of them bought a new game by the GOAT director yoshi-p?
Something doesn't add up here.
>3 million in sales
Is not
>3 million units sold
Who wants to tell the XVI trannies the conversion rate to USD.
I can understand being a console warring homosexual, or FF14 vs WoW, CoD vs Battlefield, but FF15 vs FF16? Stop drinking your own cum Barry. The only game series that has a right to argue amongst themselves is Super Metroid and Prime gays.
Holy shit ff16 flopped harder than I thought. Literally blunder of the century.
>30
Now this is a truly legitimate "it's over" moment.
Compared to the amount of FF7 remake art, even before release... Oh, boy
That's a bit dishonest since the artists had 20 years of material to reference as a head start.
13 is hated and has tons of art and animations anyway.
I'm to blame for like 75% of those...Claire's armpits man... they just trigger me
For me Serrah made me almost buy 13-2 but just jerking it always fought off the demons.
XIII has also been out for over a decade and doesn't have more than 3k on any given site.
Jesas
This is a shame, I like a lot of the girls. I play too many H games because I was seeing NTR scenarios everywhere
The real tragedy is that not even the clout chasing "artists" such as sakimi-chan and general butch are interested in creating fancontent for xvi
This right here is the only place where XVI really blundered and the thing is it makes no sense. Jill is prime ntr material. Anabelle is prime rape correction material. And Benedikta is prime gangbang material. What fricking gives doujin artists?
People have to actually care about the characters, even if it's only their appearance for them to get fan art. They do not. It makes perfect sense.
The actual answer is third worlders have yet to touch the game.
Keep telling yourself that. The porn mecca of the world, japan, isn't drawing shit either.
>duuuude generic 3d models with negative personality and THE EXACT SAME FACE Square has been shiting out since that ff movie
No one cares. FF7R only got attention because it is easy to rip models of ps1 girls first and only jrpg they ever played.
Final Fantasy XVI Is The Fastest Selling PlayStation 5 Exclusive Ever
Why are you guys lying? XV solid 2.65m in its first week. Shipped=/=sold.
Shipped absolutely is sold. Do you think they give the games to the retailers for free?
Do you think retailers are turning down copies of XVI?
Yes? If I have accepted 1000 copies for my store, and I've sold 500, I'm not going to take another 1000 until I know the remaining 500 are going to sell.
And based on retail activity, in the UK at least, that's not happening. Why would I pay SE for a product I can't move now that word of mouth has gotten around and no one wants it?
>XV solid 2.65m in its first week
it was 5 million. vgchartz and wikipedia are not a source.
source?
SE themselves
It uses the wording shipped and sold for xvi’s 3 million as well so by definition that would mean xiv sold less either way, unless it says somewhere that it sold through roughly 80% or more of its shipment
Can anyone give a genuine sincere answer if this game flopped or not? I can see why they took a lot of the traditional ff aspects but I need an actual confirmation.
Yes. 3m sales for a AAA system-seller that's been around longer than most people here have been alive is abysmal.
If you can't see through Ganker shit posting why are you even here. Putting aside the funposting for a moment
No, it's not a flop. 3 Million is pretty good for a console exclusive. It's slightly under 7's 3.5, which was across two consoles. But it's more fun to post like it's a disaster
The funny black bars are not the magic that will turn cope into reality.
Shipped does not = sold to consumers and SE wanted this to a smash hit so these are disappointing numbers after all the big talk about righting the wrongs of xv.
Character action has always been a niche genre, which xvi borrows heavy influence from. The idea that they thought they ever thought they'd do elden ring numbers is insanely stupid. I say it's doing well enough for what kind of game it is
Didn't seem that niche when FF15 sold 10m units on it. Or how about God of War? Or Spider-Man? Or do those not count?
None of those are character action games. Those are plain vanilla action games. You want to compare it to games like dmc, mgr, Bayonetta etc
Why? God of War is an action game centered around 1 character. So is Spider-Man (at least the first one). Or is that not what a "character action game" is?
Character action is a confusing term because you are literally right hat those are action games that center around a character but nobody would ever say that nugow or spider-man plays just like dmc, Bayonetta or mgr
We should really get a better term for this stuff. Something like "flashy action" or "stylish action" or something.
Now why the frick would you need confirmation? It seems like you don't give a frick about FF if you can't even tell this is a success based on it's performed compared to other games in the series as well as other notable huge games in general such as RE4R
>Can anyone give a genuine sincere answer if this game flopped or not?
It hasn't flopped as in SE are going to lose huge amounts of money. But it's sold slower than you'd expect for a AAA game and is in-line with Final Fantasy's declining sales figures. There's a very real chance this will be the lowest selling Final Fantasy since the SNES era when gaming audience was smaller and game rentals pushed down game sales.
As i said
I see someone hasn’t played any of the 13 games. Lightning returns didn’t sell 1 million copies until after a month or more
>it's sold slower than you'd expect for a AAA game
Why are you lying
GoW was also on ps4 and sold 5 millions in the first week.
This one exclusive to PS5 and sold 3 millions.
>Can anyone give a genuine sincere answer if this game flopped or not?
No, it probably already recouped development costs but with very little profit.
Reaching 5m would be a success to any other company, but SE expectations are moronic and probably in the 8m ballpark.
>Square for some fricking reason has to learn the lesson that Capcom did 15 years ago
Why am I not frickin surprised
why is the soundtrack so fricking bad.
does this shit come to pc eventually I hate sony so much it's unreal
It should, hopefully not as an egs exclusive
Why can't Barry stay winning for once?
3 MILLION, holy frick this is such a big number for an install base of 38 million in the first week. You lost!
Only 3 Million? How much Elden Ring or Zelda sold in 1 week?
+10mil
Are you completely unaware of the stink that xiii, 14's launch and 15 put on the brand?
I stopped playing FF games after X.
Elden Ring was 12M in 17 days and TotK was 10M in 3 days. Genshin Impact has made around $2B in the past year and FIFA has done something around the same. Fortnite and Call of Duty continue to be market leaders above all else while GTAV has moved nearly 200M copies over the past decade.
Anyone thinking Final Fantasy is a big IP anymore is very dumb. A lot of boomers keep bring up decades old sales and memories like the times haven't changed. The only big thing about FF these days is the MMO.
>The only big thing about FF these days is the MMO.
Grim.
Go have a nice day gacha enjoyer
Hes just saying how much money genshin pulled and there's no reason to doubt the number
>The only big thing about FF these days is the MMO.
And even that has low numbers if you compared it to the golden age of mmorpgs. WoW was a behemoth with 12 million active subs and XIV never reached more than 900k-1million active characters (not subs) if you can trust luckybancho.
Sad what happend to Final Fantasy. It was a system seller back in the 90s. Now it's just a gaming series for old people.
That's what happens when things get old. But the old people still cling to their nostalgia. Genshin, Fortnite, Zelda and Elden Ring are the Final Fantasy games of today. Time to move on or stay in denial forever.
It's truly our FINAL FANTASY...
No, there is no Final Fantasy. It hasn't been a thing for nearly 2 decades. It's not FINAL. They still make Sonic games and it used to be as big as Mario. It's a bad pun morons keep using when FF hasn't been big enough to merit that criticism in ages. It's just old boomers telling each other how great FF used to be and living in the past.
And it was in decline before BotW blew up. Same with Nintendo until it released the Switch. The Wii U was such a disaster. Or the Xbox One.
You're right. We're only talking about the biggest success stories these days. Not FF.
Ahh, yes, the post-normie boom indirectly claiming franchises
Zelda is old though anon
>Time to move on
Why the frick should I play Fortnite because it's popular?
And stop acting like a game isn't a financial success unless it makes a gorillion dollars.
Extra funny because Pokemon is still beloved and more popular than ever as turnbased jrpg lmao.
What Ace Attorney avatar will Bazza's next twitter alt have?
One of the AA gals has to win over Dreamboum's affection, right?
He has one with a Metroid pic but I forgot the name. But he literally posts like this
ngl, I expect this game to be like DMC5 in terms of sales:
>By January 2023, the game had sold 6.5 million copies. (released on 8 March 2019)
Similar linear action game but also a console exclusive... If it performs more than that then imo it'd say it's a win...
What's a digital shipment look like op
>3 Million sales in 5 days
>PS5 exclusive
>Total flop
LOL
This is actually a HUGE win for Square Enix. You lost, Barry. Give it up.
You people are aware that in SE board rooms the excuse that the PS5 playerbase is smaller isn't going to fly right? You sold to less than 10% of the playerbase and less than the last mainline entry by almost half.
90% of the players with PS5s don't like your game. You can't spin this into something positive in front of a board of directors.
Why do you talk like this is the absolute and only number though and that growth isn't going to occur?
Because the game isn't trending? Because the marketing is dying out? Because it's fallen on every retailer site since release? Because every retailer you check have it in stock and ready to sell and not a single one of them is out of copies?
The only cope against this is saying that literally none of this matters.
Games don't really run out of copies anymore, what are you talking about. Especially in the today era where digital sales are leading.
>it doesn't matter
Do you see what I mean?
If all valid facts are going to be shrugged off because of some hypothetical mega-sales online (despite the 3m above INCLUDING said sales) then you're actively in denial.
It doesn't matter what anyone says because you will literally just say "no" and wonder why people keep bringing it up.
I literally gave you a good reason; physical sales are no longer the lead market and games don't actually tend to "sell out" in the same sense as distros usually have abundant copies in fleets.
The game is doing pretty well in its first week alone, and I feel like good word of mouth is going to do this game well. I don't think for a second you will ever accept that this game did well however, in any event. Because at some point you're just going to stop talking about this game and use the same lines of bullshit on the next game in your schedule.
>I literally gave you a good reason
No you did not, you made an assumption and hoped it was true. The only report we have of this is that SE said they're making a lot of their money digitally now, which includes gachas and MMOs, and other services which print money. The entire argument for console owners the last decade has been how PC has failed for going digital and that console owners care about traditional ownership.
The game is doing "okay" only if you completely overlook all context regarding the series that came before it which is a little unfair isn't it?
Every statistic we have, retail sales, social media trends, streamers, amount of influencers shilling is pointing to the peak having been reached and we're heading back down the hill.
The only thing we don't have is digital sales compared to retail sales which we can only assume (based on the 3m sold) and which you chose to assume heavily in your favor for no reason except you don't want it to fail.
There is no word of mouth, there is no positive trend and what little hype there was is fading on every social platform on the web. If this is something you can spin as a positive for the game then you should return to making more Barry threads because that's the only defense I can see.
Shipped does not mean Sold; Paying huge fees for stores to host, implement into the system of their infrastructure, and to sell your product is not an ideal of profit gains nor margins than the actual sales of those said products. Stop insulting people intelligence with this trivial and minuscule nonsense.
I worked in distro; there are no huge fees to hold entertainment goods like discs. You get pallets of these things, and they go on shelves. The cost to retain is like pennies on the dollar.
>no huge fees
Youre full of bullshit, the costs to even get them on a truck is costly
It really isn't. Again, it's pennies on the dollar because that truck is full of pallets of home goods, sex toys, potting soil, and coffee.
You seem incompetent on the matters of providing materials to neighboring businesses and the cost of space, like most truck drivers who think they know more than their worth. I will leave you to whatever delusional grandeur you believe in.
I'm having fun with the game.
Is barry really making all these threads? I thought the discord group was also helping out.
Ganker is a bastion for schizos chasing their next TORtanic hit, Barry is a known entity here but it is by no means just Barry shitting on xvi. He may be the only person on this godforsaken site defending flopspoken thoughever
There's a discord server with larpers but I haven't seen anyone mentioning posting here today, unless I missed an announcement or something
>FF XVI in one console = 3 million sales per console
>FF XV in two consoles = 5 million sales, 2.5 million sales per console also shilled by a Movie & Anime
BARRY LOST
TORTANIC! TORTANIC! WE FINALLY GOT TORTANIC!
WE STRUGGLED HARD TO MAKE IT REAL, NINTENDO WAS IMMUNE TO ZEAL!
BUT SONY FELL TO OUR ASSAULT, YOSHIT-KUN WAS ALL AT FAULT!
TORTANIC! TORTANIC! WE FINALLY GOT TORTANIC!
I don’t understand how this is a failure. Also I’m currently playing the game. It’s awesome so far aside from some pacing issues.
How is that a flop? Did it not make it's budget back or something? Why does every new, big, popular release get so many hate threads on here? Is Ganker contrarian on purpose?
OK but what cope(s) will salt romano post tomorrow in famitsu sales?
They made a game exclusive to PS5 when even sonytards stick to PS4. It sold well for a console that sold worse than Game & Watch.
>They made a game exclusive to PS5 when even sonytards stick to PS4. It sold well for a console that sold worse than Game & Watch.
I've been buying playstation consoles since psx and I even got psp (not vita) but ps5 didn't convince me because the "pick graphic quality of high fps" modes. I'm still enjoying ps4 games (currently playing Ghost of Tsushima) and I will buy a ps5 only when it releases with both settings available and doable too.
>Pay for ps5
>Play game on performance mode
>Not constant 60FPS
>Play on graphics mode
>30FPS
Why would I buy this?
Doomposters are not even considering the money Sony gave Square for it to be an exclusive on PS5, plus the ads Sony is paying for them.
Because we're not talking about profit. We're talking about sales. Try to keep up shillkun.
>doesn't even try to deny being a doomposter
>thread name called "FF XVI flopped"
>"we're not talking about profit!!!!"
Sony footed the bill for marketing, pay them for the exclusivity and also sent their own engineers to make the thing run.
The $300m development cost it's out of their asses, while it's true that YoshiP started development of the game in late 2015 after Heavensward, I seriously doubt they got a PS5 devkit 5 years before the console launched, those usually are produced 1 or 2 years before the launch, making the dev time closer to 5 years.
However, SE sucks dick at keeping development cost low so MY estimate would be around 150m-200m.
SE is surely expecting a 100% return so unless it reaches 8 million copies LTs, it will be seen as a flop to the company.
I enjoyed watching a strimmer play it, it was like a movie lol.
Afterward I have zero desire to play it.
I agree with the people saying it doesn't feel like a final fantasy. In past games I would have enjoyed building up and managing my characters.
The way they opted to do it I still enjoyed in a different way, that didn't involve me even having to buy the game LOL. I won't complain!
>In past games I would have enjoyed building up and managing my characters.
Fricking when? Last time I felt like that for an FF was FFX and that's almost 20 years ago now
>its 21 years ago now
Fricking hell
That can't be right. You are lying.
Shut the frick up sanae you c**t
Well I am old so you are right.
I didn't play FF13 or FF15 because they both looked gay af.
Yes Square hasn't released an actual Final Fantasy game in 20 years.
Truely the most moronic of videogame companies.
Which strimmer?
Why the hell do you care about XV so damn much? It was generic unfinished garbage.
It sold better than 16, which should say a lot about how good 16 was lol
>sales are always a 100% surefire way to measure the quality of a videogame every single time no exception!
Holy moronation
>captcha: YARWG8
Because 16gays kept claiming it would save ff and look at it flop.
If it flopped, why are there so many 16gays?
I play both sides to troll, but I actually hate that FF has been a walking corpse for 20 years
And now it belongs to slop gays
It's been 20 years anon. It's time to let go of childish feelings.
I don't wannaaaaaaa
Childish feelings are the only thing keeping my cold and bitter heart going.
why do people act like the success of BoTW/ToTK means you should throw everything that made your game popular out with the bathwater? Nintendo kept core gameplay elements from classic zelda, combat still feels like OoT, puzzles are still the draw of the game, but they expanded exploration. The issue with FF is they throw out their identity (Turn-based, or other unique combat systems, colorful interesting worlds, unique whimsical anime character design) to just make God of War lite to appeal to an audience that doesn't care. You can't tell me that a full AAA turn-based FF, with open cities and exploration, and an expanded class system wouldn't at least sell a similar amount of copies
Because the producer of Zelda has literally gone on record to say the OoT style of Zelda restricted them and BotW/TotK is a new format. Also, Yakuza is now turn-based, Fallout wasn't always a FPS/TPS, GTA used to be over the top 2D game, Warcraft used to be an RTS. Things change and sometimes they work. Zelda has changed and it's been wonderful for it.
>final fantasy's only identity was being turn-based
And you people thing this franchise is good, why?
Kill all bokoblins
Kill all akashic
https://twitter.com/CrazyNomura/status/1673975479307747328
uhm Nomurabros?
https://twitter.com/CrazyNomura/status/1673975480549281792
it's ogre
It's a parody account you shitter! Nomura would shit it
Those numbers are on par with xv an 7 remake if you consider is ps5 only, a platform which has sold way less than ps4 had back when the other games released
Uhm sweetie sony says the ps5 is outpacing the ps4.
No they aren't as that hasn't been true after the first few months. And also ff 7 released on the seventh year of the ps4's life vs ff16 on the third
Ok so it already sold more than lighting returns or 13-2 which were real low points. 15 burned a lot of people and 7R was the start of repairing the series reputation so having 16 be received that well just continues the trend
>Toriyama subservient
>Tabata excised
>Nomura and Yoshida ascendant
>Ito returning for FF IX Remake
FF is back.
>3 millions in first week for a PS5 exclusive
>"see, it flopped!!!"
Don't you guys feel ashamed for acting stupid, I know you're anonymous but this is embarassing.
why do you anons not buy Final Fantasy 16 ?
I did
I bought Forspoken instead.
I am not buying a ps5 for one and a half games (Des remake)
I bought it even though I don't have a Snoy GoySlopion 5 to support my lord and saviour Naoki Yoshida (Yoshi P)!
Nothing in it for me other than the cutscenes, so I just watched it on YT
That and I have a turbo PC because of my job/business, so it's not like I have a PS5.
Now with all that said, I don't play modern videogames anyways
XVI WAS my most anticipated game of 2023, but I hate homosexuals so I won't spend a single cent on it. Not even joking.
Why does this keep getting posted without a link to a scene? Does it actually happen or not
It happens, Bahamut is a gay, and has a gay squire.
Is he actually gay or is he just typical jap girly looking man
He kisses the dude and adopt an orphan together.
Sorry I didn't have it, there's no way i'm going save webm of homosexuals kissing
I don't avoid gay characters, I avoid the entire game if they force this globohomosexual shit for whatever agenda.
Ok so it doesn't happen and you guys keep posting this trying to bait people into then calling it gay shit, cool.
I'll ignore those posts from now on.
It's a 2 minute scene about Bahamut's dominant. I have the game and I like it, it has gay shit but it isn't a forced way.
Still is funny to me that Bahamut is the LGBT summon now.
It's hilarious how people like you constantly claim these things and could easily prove it just by posting a video, yet you always refuse to do so and actually claim victory.
???
You can just play the game, I'm waging and don't have any reason to have a gay's kiss saved to post because a gay refuses to believe me.
I don't doubt that's how they choose the gay dominant kek
I see your lips flapping but all I hear is "Bullshit bullshit bullshit".
A picture of two guys bonking their foreheads together = 2 minutes of nonstop child-raping?
Dude I know you're baiting but this is just obnoxious
>NO U!
Post the entire scene and declare yourself a winner. Why is that so difficult for someone who despises this game and wants everyone to hate it?
Here guess I'll spoonfeed you
God fricking dammit anon, gotta go bleach my eyes now.
>Drag queen
>Dragon
>Drag-on Dragoon
It’s all coming together
Drag on dragoon had a homosexual but it wasn't for a second portrayed as a good thing.
Fang did it first
Why is Bahamut associated with gay characters all the time now?
In XIII it was Fang
In SOP DLC the Bahamut is totally gay for Jack.
I, too, wish it doesn't happen,
but alas...
you can easily check it yourself...
just look at the catalog, there's currently one thread with homosexual webm as the OP
If SE expects FFXVI to sell as much as GoW:R then it's a flop.
Kek gematsu nincel tears are delicious. And Gankers too but they're the same morons anyway
Why do people care so much about sales.
They only have importance up to a point.
Now we know that Squares Enix is not going under and FFXVII is guaranteed .
Why does it matter if the game is selling 3,9 or 20 Millions copies?
>Why do people care so much about sales.
Because these people can't talk about a game they haven't played.
Narrative purposes. Game I like sells good? I WON! Game I hate sells good? AIEEEEE SHILLS!!!! Game I like sells bad? AIEEEE YOU BOYCOT IT! Game I hate sells bad? Heh based and red-pilled!
Because these unpaid industry analysts who work for free are showing just how hard they justify that zero on their paycheck.
Install base and famiboards are in shambles this is like 9/11 to them
lol this board is so fricking desperate for another tortanic
>numbers like sales don't matter
>but paid shill numbers is okay
Sales have never been an accurate measure of a games quality, cope and Sneed lowest common denominator b***hlet
You can't write posts like this and still wonder why Barry won.
Fortnite and pokemon (yes even the latest disastrous shit covered release) blows all of your shitty favorite games out of the fricking water in every regard then.
Yes, in terms of sales they absolutely do.
I don't get it, why did they make it a playstation exclusive? I would have bought it if it was on PC