They latch on so hard to Cloud saying he wanted to be noticed as a kid that they overlook the fact that they have no romantic buildup in the entire game up until that point.
The only reason Cloud recovers from MAKO poisoning at all is because he ran into Tifa by pure coincidence. Just meeting her again reestablished his entire psyche from catatonic to being able to pass off as a normal person. He even recognized her before she recognized him.
The only reason Cloud does anything throughout the entire story is because of Tifa.
Fricks off from town because of Tifa.
Hides himself in shame because of Tifa.
Finds the strength inside of himself to beat Sephiroth because of Tifa.
Recovers from JENOVA brain rape because of Tifa.
Has a complete mental breakdown and total self destruction of his ego because of Tifa.
Fixes himself because of Tifa.
It's all for Tifa.
His feelings for Tifa guide his actions in the main game and his feelings/regret over Aerith guide his actions after the main game ends
I was just pointing out that it's false to say he never shows any romantic inclination for Tifa in the game, it's a core piece of his character
3 months ago
Anonymous
yes but you are overblowing tifas importance
I hear a lot of time tifa fans say Cloud only joined soldier to impress tifa and I mean yea - he does say in lifestream sequence that he wanted her to notice him - However if you frame it like that you make it seem that him being a total outcast and loner as a child, who deeply desired to be accepted by others had no impact on his decision, which cheapens his childhood story and makes it kinda irrelevant, which definitely wasn't the dev intention
3 months ago
Anonymous
now THIS is cope. why would he care about being accepting by the betas orbiters in town when the prize was always Tifa.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Gaining Tifa's acknowledgement is what mattered to him. Even as a child getting the attention of the village's queen bee would've automatically superceded getting attention from her hanger-ons who he never pays attention to or mentions. When Sephiroth is mind warping him with his Nibelheim reveals and shit he says that as long as Tifa supports him that's all that matters. It's only after Tifa tells him that he's wrong and that she can't be the one who props up his ego that SOLDIER!Cloud fully breaks and gives in.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Wanting her acknowledgement came after he took the fall for nearly killing her and blaming his own weakness for it. He wanted acknowledgement of his power to alleviate his own feelings of inferiority. If all he wanted was to be noticed by his crush he would have cooked a plan up before any of that happened.
He uses her as a crutch when Sephiroth is fricking with his head and loses it when the only person who can confirm his identity seemingly doesn't believe him. Her support in this scene is crucial she's the only one in the know, it's nothing to do with love.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>He uses her as a crutch when Sephiroth is fricking with his head and loses it when the only person who can confirm his identity seemingly doesn't believe him.
The entire point is that he was using her as a crutch the entire time not just then.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Where does this happen? His identity isn't in question until this point.
3 months ago
Anonymous
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah I meant other than this section (specifically I meant before this section). You said she was a crutch for the whole game.
3 months ago
Anonymous
His dialogue implies that he didn't just start using Tifa's validation as a crutch in that exact moment, whenever he has had doubts about his memory he props himself up by remembering her recognizing him when they ran into one another. Which is the exact moment his psyche was formed again in the first place.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Hmm. Yeah ok I see what you're saying. Though it is unclear whether he's carried that with him this whole time or if he's only just now desperately calling back to it. I prefer the latter because if it's the former then they've waited until 70% into the game to say he's been having this issue and using her as a crutch the entire time but we the audience don't get to be privy to it.
3 months ago
Anonymous
That's wrong tho, Cloud learns to care for the planet thanks to Aerith . His main motivation to protect the planet from Sephiroth was too continue what Aeris started
3 months ago
Anonymous
Tifa might have kicked off the chain of events that led Cloud to where he is but she doesn't guide his actions in the main plot. It's all just backstory. She even tries to guilt him with the promise at the start of the game and he tells her "no".
3 months ago
Anonymous
Uh.. she's also the one who resolves his schizophrenic episode and pushes him remember who he truly is. A bit of a glaring omission there.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Doesn't guide his actions in the main plot
Reason he joins AVALANCHE
Reason he has his mental breakdown
Reason he recovers from his mental breakdown
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Reason he joins AVALANCHE
This happens before the game starts and even then she only hooked him up with a job that he accepted for money. He didn't do it simply for her. He finds other things that actually drive him into action later: Aerith, Sephiroth & saving the planet.
Uh.. she's also the one who resolves his schizophrenic episode and pushes him remember who he truly is. A bit of a glaring omission there.
The mental break is something that happens to him that Tifa was unable to prevent. It's not an action that Cloud undertakes. His recovery is something that he does for himself with Tifa's assistance. In the Lifestream she stumbles upon him already trying to recover, which is where she steps in to help.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Dude you must so high sniffing your own farts. You're in fantasy land.
>He's all about Aeris
Dude, FFVII is a harem game. He gives Tifa and Aeris equal attention. Tifa has more scenes regarding their shared past, while Aeris' situation are more core to plot while it occurs. The point is that the player chooses who Cloud pays more attention to. In the end Tifa wins though because she doesn't die lol.
That's your head canon, which you are allowed to believe because again - FFVII is a harem game. Thing is though mate, wanting to reunite with someone doesn't bring them back from the dead. Tifa and Cloud are conclusively together at the end.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yea again, tifa gets friendzoned. Meanwhile Cloud is living in Aeriths church
3 months ago
Anonymous
how is it my headcanon when it literally happens in game you homosexual
3 months ago
Anonymous
Because that a heavily subjective , and reinterpreted description of what happens. Most people would hope to see their close dead friends again.
Cloud and Tifa can be extremely intimate by the end of the game depending on her affection points. That's absolutely a valid interpretation which has more weight to it. Aeris and Cloud never get a chance to be intimate.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yea but there are not two seperate endings you Black person. There is only one - Cloud will see Aerith reach a hand to him, her music playing and he will say that he wants to meet her in the promised land - mirroring exactly what aerith told him on the date
3 months ago
Anonymous
Because she's the only party member who died, and is canonically in the livestream? It's left equally up to interpretation whether it's romantic or a platonic. And again, he goes way further with Tifa just hours before lol.
3 months ago
Anonymous
He doesn't, he talks about getting an answer to the planet. Which he gets in the end see
>. In the end Tifa wins though because she doesn't die lol.
she gets friendzoned and Cloud wants to reunite and meet Aeris
You are describing the high affection version which doesn't connect to the ending at all. It's there to get gaijin coomers to please themselves and is irrelevant to the story
3 months ago
Anonymous
Nothing you've posted indicates anything about romantic interest dude. Aeris was everyone's friend in the team and they miss her, and the affection system is absolutely relevant - given how it completely dictates how Tifa reacts after the sex scene.
You can't simply dismiss aspects of the game to support your own narrative. FFVII clearly allows the player to see Cloud with different people, and despite that - Tifa is still the focus given what actually happens in the game. You can absolutely see that reaching out scene as romantic if you want to, but it's also absolutely ambiguous.
Now what other scenes are you going to warp or dismiss to support your argument?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>sex scene
found the tifa coomer
And it doesn't dictate tifa at all, since she says the same shit in both versions, just that in low affection scene cloud no way gays her
3 months ago
Anonymous
You're either a silly shitposter or actually insane. I remember this kind of autism from the early 2000s lmao
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Tifa is still the focus given what actually happens in the game
Focus of what? Being clouds doormat whose only relevance is that she knows him as a kid?
Literal non character, added late in development so it makes sense
3 months ago
Anonymous
Given that she has character development with Cloud, and events that implicate they're together - yeah, she is the focus in terms of romantic interest.
Meanwhile, Aeris is more key to the overall plot of the game - which has little to nothing to do with Cloud himself.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Literally nothing implicates they are together. Cloud no way gays her and wants to reunite with aeris at the end of the game. There wouldn't be two highwind scenes or the ending scene if she was the romantic focus. Also Aeris wouldn't be the default date option
3 months ago
Anonymous
Her "arc" is entirely off screen and is only told to the player after the fact to excuse how passive she is in the story.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I remember reading this article when it first came out.....take me back
He loved her as a kid, joined a private military for her, and failed to get anywhere. His plan, I assume, was to silently disappear but instead he got mentally reduced to an imitation of the guy who did make it, and then lived like that until he got mindbroken into catatonia. After that, she's the one who brought him out of it.
Following those events, it's not hard to imagine why he loves her. >but Aerith
You can love more than one person.
>fanfiction
FF7 is its own continuity.
Every single FF7-associated thing produced after 1997 is a separate universe with absolutely no relation to the original.
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They literally had sex just before the final dungeon.
optional scene
Pity sex because the world was ending, also optional
Are you autistic perhaps, or didn't read any of the dialogue from that scene?
They latch on so hard to Cloud saying he wanted to be noticed as a kid that they overlook the fact that they have no romantic buildup in the entire game up until that point.
>no romantic buildup
no need for buildup when it is there the entire time
Where exactly? He's all about Aerith in disc 1 and then loses his mind about 2 hours into disc 2.
Not talking about Remake. Also the ulitmania confirms he's channeling his inner Zack here.
The only reason Cloud recovers from MAKO poisoning at all is because he ran into Tifa by pure coincidence. Just meeting her again reestablished his entire psyche from catatonic to being able to pass off as a normal person. He even recognized her before she recognized him.
The only reason Cloud does anything throughout the entire story is because of Tifa.
Fricks off from town because of Tifa.
Hides himself in shame because of Tifa.
Finds the strength inside of himself to beat Sephiroth because of Tifa.
Recovers from JENOVA brain rape because of Tifa.
Has a complete mental breakdown and total self destruction of his ego because of Tifa.
Fixes himself because of Tifa.
It's all for Tifa.
>Average tifanatic
His feelings for Tifa guide his actions in the main game and his feelings/regret over Aerith guide his actions after the main game ends
I was just pointing out that it's false to say he never shows any romantic inclination for Tifa in the game, it's a core piece of his character
yes but you are overblowing tifas importance
I hear a lot of time tifa fans say Cloud only joined soldier to impress tifa and I mean yea - he does say in lifestream sequence that he wanted her to notice him - However if you frame it like that you make it seem that him being a total outcast and loner as a child, who deeply desired to be accepted by others had no impact on his decision, which cheapens his childhood story and makes it kinda irrelevant, which definitely wasn't the dev intention
now THIS is cope. why would he care about being accepting by the betas orbiters in town when the prize was always Tifa.
Gaining Tifa's acknowledgement is what mattered to him. Even as a child getting the attention of the village's queen bee would've automatically superceded getting attention from her hanger-ons who he never pays attention to or mentions. When Sephiroth is mind warping him with his Nibelheim reveals and shit he says that as long as Tifa supports him that's all that matters. It's only after Tifa tells him that he's wrong and that she can't be the one who props up his ego that SOLDIER!Cloud fully breaks and gives in.
Wanting her acknowledgement came after he took the fall for nearly killing her and blaming his own weakness for it. He wanted acknowledgement of his power to alleviate his own feelings of inferiority. If all he wanted was to be noticed by his crush he would have cooked a plan up before any of that happened.
He uses her as a crutch when Sephiroth is fricking with his head and loses it when the only person who can confirm his identity seemingly doesn't believe him. Her support in this scene is crucial she's the only one in the know, it's nothing to do with love.
>He uses her as a crutch when Sephiroth is fricking with his head and loses it when the only person who can confirm his identity seemingly doesn't believe him.
The entire point is that he was using her as a crutch the entire time not just then.
Where does this happen? His identity isn't in question until this point.
Yeah I meant other than this section (specifically I meant before this section). You said she was a crutch for the whole game.
His dialogue implies that he didn't just start using Tifa's validation as a crutch in that exact moment, whenever he has had doubts about his memory he props himself up by remembering her recognizing him when they ran into one another. Which is the exact moment his psyche was formed again in the first place.
Hmm. Yeah ok I see what you're saying. Though it is unclear whether he's carried that with him this whole time or if he's only just now desperately calling back to it. I prefer the latter because if it's the former then they've waited until 70% into the game to say he's been having this issue and using her as a crutch the entire time but we the audience don't get to be privy to it.
That's wrong tho, Cloud learns to care for the planet thanks to Aerith . His main motivation to protect the planet from Sephiroth was too continue what Aeris started
Tifa might have kicked off the chain of events that led Cloud to where he is but she doesn't guide his actions in the main plot. It's all just backstory. She even tries to guilt him with the promise at the start of the game and he tells her "no".
Uh.. she's also the one who resolves his schizophrenic episode and pushes him remember who he truly is. A bit of a glaring omission there.
>Doesn't guide his actions in the main plot
Reason he joins AVALANCHE
Reason he has his mental breakdown
Reason he recovers from his mental breakdown
>Reason he joins AVALANCHE
This happens before the game starts and even then she only hooked him up with a job that he accepted for money. He didn't do it simply for her. He finds other things that actually drive him into action later: Aerith, Sephiroth & saving the planet.
The mental break is something that happens to him that Tifa was unable to prevent. It's not an action that Cloud undertakes. His recovery is something that he does for himself with Tifa's assistance. In the Lifestream she stumbles upon him already trying to recover, which is where she steps in to help.
Dude you must so high sniffing your own farts. You're in fantasy land.
>He's all about Aeris
Dude, FFVII is a harem game. He gives Tifa and Aeris equal attention. Tifa has more scenes regarding their shared past, while Aeris' situation are more core to plot while it occurs. The point is that the player chooses who Cloud pays more attention to. In the end Tifa wins though because she doesn't die lol.
Shippers are so fricking delusional lmao.
>. In the end Tifa wins though because she doesn't die lol.
she gets friendzoned and Cloud wants to reunite and meet Aeris
That's your head canon, which you are allowed to believe because again - FFVII is a harem game. Thing is though mate, wanting to reunite with someone doesn't bring them back from the dead. Tifa and Cloud are conclusively together at the end.
Yea again, tifa gets friendzoned. Meanwhile Cloud is living in Aeriths church
how is it my headcanon when it literally happens in game you homosexual
Because that a heavily subjective , and reinterpreted description of what happens. Most people would hope to see their close dead friends again.
Cloud and Tifa can be extremely intimate by the end of the game depending on her affection points. That's absolutely a valid interpretation which has more weight to it. Aeris and Cloud never get a chance to be intimate.
Yea but there are not two seperate endings you Black person. There is only one - Cloud will see Aerith reach a hand to him, her music playing and he will say that he wants to meet her in the promised land - mirroring exactly what aerith told him on the date
Because she's the only party member who died, and is canonically in the livestream? It's left equally up to interpretation whether it's romantic or a platonic. And again, he goes way further with Tifa just hours before lol.
He doesn't, he talks about getting an answer to the planet. Which he gets in the end see
You are describing the high affection version which doesn't connect to the ending at all. It's there to get gaijin coomers to please themselves and is irrelevant to the story
Nothing you've posted indicates anything about romantic interest dude. Aeris was everyone's friend in the team and they miss her, and the affection system is absolutely relevant - given how it completely dictates how Tifa reacts after the sex scene.
You can't simply dismiss aspects of the game to support your own narrative. FFVII clearly allows the player to see Cloud with different people, and despite that - Tifa is still the focus given what actually happens in the game. You can absolutely see that reaching out scene as romantic if you want to, but it's also absolutely ambiguous.
Now what other scenes are you going to warp or dismiss to support your argument?
>sex scene
found the tifa coomer
And it doesn't dictate tifa at all, since she says the same shit in both versions, just that in low affection scene cloud no way gays her
You're either a silly shitposter or actually insane. I remember this kind of autism from the early 2000s lmao
>Tifa is still the focus given what actually happens in the game
Focus of what? Being clouds doormat whose only relevance is that she knows him as a kid?
Literal non character, added late in development so it makes sense
Given that she has character development with Cloud, and events that implicate they're together - yeah, she is the focus in terms of romantic interest.
Meanwhile, Aeris is more key to the overall plot of the game - which has little to nothing to do with Cloud himself.
Literally nothing implicates they are together. Cloud no way gays her and wants to reunite with aeris at the end of the game. There wouldn't be two highwind scenes or the ending scene if she was the romantic focus. Also Aeris wouldn't be the default date option
Her "arc" is entirely off screen and is only told to the player after the fact to excuse how passive she is in the story.
I remember reading this article when it first came out.....take me back
Well when does this novel take place? If it's during AC (or right before), Cloud is mopey because he has geostigma.
I read the whole book, he loves both. He feels guilty about Aerith's death and also his feelings for her and struggles to embrace Tifa because of it.
this is cope. he only "loved" aerith because of zack influence
now THIS is cope
He doesn't even remember Aeris
No this is the cope. You're writing off at least 60% of Cloud's OG experiences because of muh zack.
It's more than that. Cloud doesn't break down until about 70% in and doesn't regain himself until about the 80% mark. Aerith dies at about 60-65% in.
Are we still having this debate 20+ years later?
He loved both. End of story.
Nobody cares about that no personality having boobbawd anymore. Boomers have awful taste.
He loved her as a kid, joined a private military for her, and failed to get anywhere. His plan, I assume, was to silently disappear but instead he got mentally reduced to an imitation of the guy who did make it, and then lived like that until he got mindbroken into catatonia. After that, she's the one who brought him out of it.
Following those events, it's not hard to imagine why he loves her.
>but Aerith
You can love more than one person.
YURI THE ONLY ONE FOR ME
>fanfiction
FF7 is its own continuity.
Every single FF7-associated thing produced after 1997 is a separate universe with absolutely no relation to the original.
Because they're moronic. Not as moronic as you, but pretty close.
Why titfa has no:
official merch with cloud?
no amano art with cloud?
They are just a family of friends, it is said in the same book. Tifa herself says it.
>They are just a family of friends, it is said in the same book. Tifa herself says it.
/thread
>book
Anything outside the original game is moronic shit
>They are just a family of friends, it is said in the same book. Tifa herself says it.
>fanfiction book
If it makes you feel better, but dont worry everything in these books is being transfered to these games.
Holy frick, bunch of slack jawed morons in this thread.
Simple Cloud was into her as a kid and wanted to impress her but once he actually got with her he realized she fricking sucks.
kekd
>star wars fighting game
KEK, I memory holed this.
Remember that the game is canon to the books and the compilation at large but the compilation is not canon to the game.