>mfw XVI flopped so bad there will never be an FF17
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FFXVI wasn't AAA
>FFXVI wasn't AAA
Lmao, it is as AAA as it gets.
FF16 was easily north of 100 millions. That's AAA. That's more money than some Marvel movies.
Where did the money go? FFXVI looks and plays like a mid budget AA title.
>Where did the money go?
Marketing. SE was shilling it at every event. But you're right. Many lower budget games play better than XVI. Sidequests are awful. All the boss fights are the same.
>All the boss fights are the same.
LMAO.
He's right though, especially Eikon battles which are glorified QTEs.
Yes, they are all the same.
>perfect dodge through attacks
>stagger boss
>use abilities in a rotation
What I don't understand is why XVIgays try to argue otherwise. This isn't like comparing Data Vexen to LW in KH2FM. Every boss in XVI can be beaten with the same strat. Jesus, this is KH3's honeymoon phase all over again.
Tell me how Barnabas boss plays similar to Kupka?
Because I can perfect dodge through ALL of their attacks, stagger them AS I WOULD STAGGER ANY FRICKING ENEMY IN THE GAME, and go through a rotation of special attacks AS I WOULD ANY OTHER ENEMY IN THE GAME. The means in which the player interacts with Barnabas, Kupka, Benedikta, Ultima, etc is all the same. There's no difference between any of them. At least in DMC5, all the bosses employ different strategies. At least in KH3, all the data Org bosses employ different strategies. XVI is barely any better than Arise.
>You dodge and attack against the bosses in Bayonetta/Dark Souls therefore all of them are the same
Wow...
XVI isn't a dating sim. Persona is.
>XVI isn't a dating sim. Persona is.
>all bosses are the same because you have to use the mechanics the game gives you
you can say that about literally any boss in any game then
A lot of what makes a game AAA is marketing budget. Kinda bullshit but that's how it is now.
It's the definition of a AAA game, that's why it's bad.
>FFXVI wasn't AAA
Yoshi-P literally said that XVI was the most expensive game in the series.
he never said that
Yoshitpiss said ff16 is the most expensive FF to make
He said even compared to other FFs the costs are considerably high, ie higher than every other FF
not what he said, stop posting your moronic google translation, barry
I'm pretty sure action games and FPS games existed back then too.
What a moronic take. Younger players don't give a frick about FF because the series is only carried by the legacy of the old games.
And boomers who just keep buying the games because of the old games
>I'm pretty sure action games and FPS games existed back then too.
Not in 1987. Wolf 3D came out in 92.
So by that time most FF were created, we had FPS games
They probably looked at data and concluded that most sales are on consoles, you buzzword spitting moron.
>high end of expectations
So, does that mean that it didn't meet the ideal sales numbers but still did fine?
>from the investor who saw The Spirits Within
>>high end of expectations
Japanese love to use this sentence to downplay their sales
>looked at data and concluded that most sales are on consoles. not a single RPG has been successful on the ps5.
PC gaming has had a bigger overall gaming market share than consoles for over a decade, moron, but RPGs specifically have done poorly on the PS5. elden ring for example (pretty much the only relevant RPG on the PS5) sold over 3x more copies on steam than on PS4 and 5 combined, and PS4 was hugely more popular than PS5.
Even games like P5 sold most of their sales on PS rather than multiplat re-release.
moron my translation is literally from a Japanese person who translates into English and Japanese vice versa
It also isn't the same comment in the post your posted there, stop coping
FF16 literally cost more than every ff
it reads like machine translation so give me a link
and even then, Yoshida never said FF16 cost more than every FF
No it doesn't you stupid frick
It's literally by a Japanese person who translates all of Yoshi-P comments
https://www.reddit.com/r/FFXVI/comments/vi43qa/full_famitsu_interview_translation_warning_its/
>Just a heads up; I'm Japanese and I currently work as a localization translator in Japan in a certain indie company starting with an S.
fricking reddit, of all things. Give me the quote were Yoshida says "FF16 is the most expensive FF to make"
Read the post moron
>Even amongst the rest in the series, (FFXVI) has taken up a considerable budget, so the sales is very important for the company. If the sales keep going down for a new title in the series, then there is a point that there may not be a next. So for (FFXVI), instead of focusing on every generation (of fans), every type of player, or whether it's FF or not, Yoshida focused on making a game that made people think "This looks amazing" or "I want to buy and play it!".
considerable budget doesn't mean it's the most expensive, show me where he said it's the most expensive or shut the frick up
Holy fricking cope
>even compared to other FFs the budget is considerably high
>literally means its high even compared to the previous most expensive ff
yeah don't reply to me anymore moron, you clearly can't read
you literally just spelled out how it doesn't say it was the most expensive ff ever yourself lmfao
aussie reading comprehension folks, pay attention in school
Does it actually matter if an English or Japanese person translates Japanese to English?
XVI didn't flop.
And it is a AAA game through and through.
Holy fricking cope
OP, that would mean MORE Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts.
>Mid-sized games
Most of their mid sized games came from other developers, they merely published them.
>Forsaken
The least they could do is take a survey and actually put it to use. Action games would not rank very high for them.
More Kingdom Hearts? So I wouldn't have to wait six years for a game? Oh, boy!
Kh3 sucked and the kh4 won't save revenue for them.
>TRIPLING down on moneysink/timesink abominations
There's legitimately no saving this goddamn company. But thankfully I've lost any capacity to feel upset anymore over seeing their current selves being hurt.
Final Fantasy lost its identity after the PS1 era and became more about cinematics than exploring a world with an airship and 4 homies in a row
>Every AAA trash they put lately has been a flop
>Only decent games are the small sized H2D2 and regular RPGs
>"Lets kill the the small games and double down on AAA trash"
They fricking deserve every bad thing happening.
>H2D2
came here to post this, what the frick is their problem
>less mid sized, more larger AAA games
Isn't that what they've been doing with FF?
PS3/360 gen was only about one FF (a trilogy nobody wanted)
The next gen was just FFXV
square enix is so stupid it's unreal
>guys, games like FF15 were a total money and time sink, what should we do to avoid that?
>DO IT AGAIN!!!
sony should just buy them and put them out of their misery
Ff15 and ff16 were both profits. Are you ok
>mid sized games
what do they mean by this, double AA? like what fricking games have they put out that would count as that not including shit they just publish
B and C grade games, A games if you're lucky.
The bulk of shit they released to buffer losses from forspoken after LALR?
Anon, that tweet is saying the exact opposite of what you said, they're putting MORE effort into AAA franchises like Final Fantasy, not less.
ESLs are moronic anon, threads like this with that OP prove it.
Jesus Christ, you know what? After SMRPGmake... just go ahead and fricking take them whenever you want, Sony. There's no saving these morons.
I hope Nintendo poaches Team Asano then. SE doesn't deserve them.
>Have to depend on the Pixel Remasters and XIV whales to actually bring money in because Forspoken and XVI floundered
>Double down on AAA
Welp, we're back to that peak FF VIII era hubris.
This isn't even hubris, this is just plain idiocy.
Seriously. Didn't they learn anything from their avengers game? Or their GOTG game? Or KH3? Or FFXVII remake? Or FFXVI?
You can't just throw money at things and expect the returns to scale with the inputs
According to Square it was the AA games that underperformed not the AAA.
Well, they're right. AAA's are doing better than ever because they sell based entirely on the brand and everyone wants to be part of the current trend and talk about it.
>he hasn't seen the chart
lmao
They are saying this because they desperately need to recoup lost money with a "AAA" asset flip
IOW, they need a hail mary to sell fast and hard
>FFXVII
How frickin stupid are you
I suspect there is at least one suit sitting at SE who is calling the shots and can't admit he's been making the wrong decisions.
Probably the same moron who ruined XII with his shitty ideas like forcing an OC to be main character and a bunch of other moronic shit like the ultimate weapons which require you to buy strategy guides
You all got it wrong. It's not like they announced Asano or Taro team dissolving, like Luminous did. The real redpill is CBU2 is now in charge of the Luminous assets, so they are announcing the division in charge of their mid-sized games will now make AAA big budget games. AKA DQ12 and FF17.
Since you know 16 just proved to underperform and CBU1 is occupied with 7R and KH.
OH NO NO NO NO NO
Mochizuki made shit up again hahahaha
fricking bloomberg israelite
Tendies are insane and can't cope with games not releasing on their shitware.
He didn't make anything up and nothing gibson says goes again mochizuki
they both listened to the same call where SE said FF16 sold below expectations
Mochizuki says it sold below expectations
Gibson says it sold in line with expectations but they were hoping for more
I choose to believe the one not reporting for ~~*bloomberg*~~
even Mochizuki's latest post says "high end" now but brown people can't read so that kinda flew over their heads
it's hilarious to read all the clueless morons ITT isn't it?
it's like a zoo
my favorite part is when they have to ask about how any of this works in between reposting their ooks
moron he just reposted it because he wrote "they" which wasn't clear who he meant
https://twitter.com/6d6f636869/status/1688377042361016320?t=5c-LEqEvHSYagaYZfBrzlA&s=19
>FF16 sells 3 million within it's launch window
>Continues to perform strongly in NA and EU
>SE given an unknown large sum of money to keep FF16 as a timed exclusive, what is known even if the game performed sub-million sales it would be a success
>This is a flop to grugs on Ganker
I'm glad I don't come here for market analysis, I'd be broke if I listened to the sage advice of the morons on here.
I can't wait for the PC release where you morons get FOMO and go through this entire process all over again.
Ganker is full of morons, who knew?
>I'd be broke if I listened to the sage advice of the morons on here
I wanted to say that nobody would be dumb enough to do that, but then I remembered Ganker and how it had complete meltdowns over horrible business decisions the board made.
ff16 has the worst leg ever for an ff game, it's still at 3 million in almost 2 months. Lol. Even 15 sold an additional 1 million copies in a month.
If it sold any extra million then SE would've already boasted about it, just like the way they've boasted about every additional one million sales of ff15.
>Brings up ffxv
Oh, it's Barry. I should have known who made another seethe at SE, YoshiP, and FFXIV/ FFXVI. Are you on medication?
>continues to perform strongly
LMAO
Have you been diagnosed?
Wait, why the frick Forsporken suddenly appeared?
Yeah forspoken was out of top 40 then suddenly jumped to 34th
ff16 was 16th then dropped to 30th
Are you just not looks at sales charts?
FF16 in uk latest week is in 30th, Forspoken is in 34th
ff16 in japan fell out of top 10 already, the worst sales in ff history in japan barely even doing 400k and even including digital is only on 500k range
fell off in Amazon US not even top 300
fell off US PSN not even top 30 best selling and not even on first page when viewing rank by best selling
Fell off hard in germany, spain, italy, france, new zealand, australia too, has no legs
>Are you just not looks at sales charts?
Would you like to try again ESL anon, this time in English?
Barry, you got blown the frick out by a homosexual React streamer fricking kek.
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SE just said ff16 underperformed
SE just said they were satisfied with the sales of FF16.
They literally said ff16 sold below expectations
>President Kiryu said FF16 sales didn't meet the high end of the company's expectations
https://twitter.com/6d6f636869/status/1688399062272483328?t=KseVPpZHwqz_8JCoNvMTWA&s=19
Isn’t that the guy who got discredited by official Nintendo statement after his supposed “real” journalism piece
the very same. I don't know why anons keep posting this bloomberg israelite instead of normal people doing the same reporting
oh come on you know why, and it eats vegemite sandwiches
SE President Kiryu said ff16 sold below expectations, not him
Stop coping
no he didn't
Mochizuki source = 3 analysts who attended SEs earnings call
Gibson = 1 person
Cope, 3 analysts in attendance said SE president said FF16 sold below expectations
Mochizuki : bloomberg, spins everything sony related into negative clickbait
Gibson : not bloomberg
Frick off israelite
>another Barry thinks he speaks Chinese thread
Post DMon's so I can go
can you imagine a world where barry actually did something good for the world and actually bettered himself and made a game he could be proud of instead of whatever this is
Lmao literal broken NPC behavior when he cant prove his own claims
Face it Barry you lost and keep making delusions to stay in your own fantasies
SE literally just said it sold in line with their expectations, but were hoping for more
No they're said it didnt hit their expectations
>expecting more
so it didn't sell what they expected
you're literally brazillian
gibson chose the wrong word and corrected himself, you can keep coping now
FF16 dropped off a cliff everywhere
it has no legs
FF16 is a flop
I'm convinced, the 70th seethe thread since release has convinced me not to play FFXVI.
I wasn't bashing XVI, i was bashing XIII and XV.
SE has been damaging the FF brand for two decades now.
They take forever to release a game and then deliver some lackluster shit
I liked FF7R, but towards the end of the game it becomes a slog because they decided to turn the introduction of a story into a full game and that's where the flaws in the game are.
S
Why did AA/ mid sized games die?
It's like only hyper budget AAA and indies are allowed to exist now. Are big publishers just not interested in smaller investments? Mid-sized studios dying?
Because justifying the AA market means saying Nintendo was right and Squeenix doesn't want to admit that after how messy their divorce was.
What are you even talking about?
Nintendogays have some weird schizo delusions about Square "betraying" Nintendo for putting FF7 on PS1, but it's really just braindead fanboyism.
Once Nintendo makes a device that's more powerful than my phone they might start putting their games on them too,
I hope Nintendo doesn't do that so SE games can continue flopping.
Anon, Squeer had to beg Nintendo to get back onto their systems. Twice.
It was an actual thing, just because you're too zoomer to have been alive at the time doesn't make it a thing that didn't happen.
What?
Everyone "betrayed" Nintendo for the PS1
That post
doesn't even make that much sense, after the "divorce", Square still made great games. 7 and 9 are one of the most popular games and 8 was "just" good
It's only morons like you who perpetuate that. No nintendo fan I have ever met has said anything like this.
One of the old Nintendo heads basically said "chasing graphics and spectacle is a money pit" and Square, kinda high off the success of the SNES era didn't see that and jumped ship over the 64. FF VII - IX hit so much acclaim that Square thought they were untouchable and started making a shit ton of terrible financial decisions which led to them absolutely bleeding money such as a ton of experimental games that failed in the market and most famously, Spirits Within. The blow was so bad that almost all of the oldheads resigned or diminished their input and the new blood basically had to crawl back to Nintendo and say "hey buds, remember the good ol' days?"
>Square decides to move to the platform that enables them to experiment
>it's a huge success
>try out different genres, some are more successful than others
>Square being moronic and throwing around money and founding a moviestudio proves Nintendo was right about the games
What the frick are you talking about. The financial trouble was all because of the movie
At least for Square Enix, their AA games like Triangle Strategy, Bravely Default, and Octopath Traveler only do 1 million sales life time, iirc. Even if AA games are cheaper to make, I guess their AAA games are more profitable since they sell more.
This is the same reason why Sony stopped funding smaller games from their studios and only provide funding for smaller games if another studio is making them. Their bigger titles outperform all the smaller games combined even though they cost more to make
>Why did AA/ mid sized games die?
They didn't
than has way better animation, programming, movement and visual polish than any recent final fantasy game.
so why does FF get to be called AAA?
>FF16 flopped so bad they will make more AAAs just like FF16
????????
That means MORE FF you moron. Their mid-sized games would be shit like harvestella, triangle strategy, etc.
There mid-sized games are the only decent things they have put out in more than 2 decades.
I am confused.
Are people illiterate or am I having a stroke?
> LESS mid-sized games
> MORE AAA games
> OP's Conclusion: The AAA games flopped...?
FF16 did flop
FF16 was profitable since july 1st
it doesn't even sell anymore
uh huh.
Open that filter bro LOL
the game is only on PS5 and full price though
there's no way to get FFXVI to show unless you use multiple filters!
No it hasn't
it has no legs and hasn't surpassed the 3m yet
it actually sold below 3m because 3m was shipment plus digital
so say 1.5m sold digital that means 1.5m was shipped but not 1.5m physically sold, consumers would still be buying any physical units from that 1.5m shipment which it has not fully sold out, its legs dropped off hard so SE hasn't had to send out new shipment yet either because it hasn't sold its initial shipment out
here, this guy attended Square's earning call earlier today
We don't know yet. We "knew" that TotK only sold 10 million for a long time, and only recently was it announced it passed 18.5 million recently.
FF16 is obviously no BotW/TotK. I even think BG3 is going to outsell it once it hits consoles. But it's probably not sitting around at 3 million, like TotK wasn't sitting around at 10 million.
You are right, it's probably not sitting at 3 million. It's sitting at 1.5, with most copies on discount from retailers.
Yeah I'm thinking it's fricking over
you should have bought Neo TWEWY
you should have bought Triangle Strategy
you should have bought Stranger in Paradise
you should have bought Live a Live
you should have bought Diofield Chronicle
you should have bought Star Ocean 6
you should have bought Octopath Traveler 2
you should have bought Dragon Quest Treasures
you should have bought Valkyrie Elysium
this is your fault Ganker
you better buy Dragon Quest Monsters
I bought Live A Live
But I bought Dragon Quest Builders 1 and 2! Does that count for something?
I bought Live a Live and Dragon Quest Treasures. Live a Live was great, I wish I didn't buy Dragon Quest Treasures.
I'll still buy dragon quest monsters even though it has cancerous microtransactions similar to chocobo racing
What is treasures like? Is it a like Torneko's Adventure or what?
>you should have bought Neo TWEWY
I legit had no idea the game was even out till someone put the goth chick in some CAW league.
Sony squashed marketing because they were upset it wasn't an exclusive, stores in Japan were putting black stickers over the parts of the banners saying it was on switch as well
How is that even legal?
>AA sold at AAA price
>put some Denuvo as a bonus
>expects me to buy them
No.
>AA sold at AAA price
moron argument. Using that logic it should be fine for crap like Cyberpunk and Ass Creed to cost way more because the devs consider them to be "AAAA"
No, they already cost AAA. If your game is mid sized with a low to medium budget don't charge the same price you israelite frick.
nah
I did buy NEO, TS, BD2, SiP, and OT2. So this isn't on me.
>t Octopath Traveler 2
They are charging 65 for it AND has denuvo. I bought NEO and SoP when they got to Steam
I don't want any of those save Octopath because that's what Final Fantasy is supposed to be. I'm not not buying shit I don't want to convince them I already bought the thing I like and want the series to return to.
Literally of these games are garbage
I had no idea Neo TWEWY existed until last month. Where was the marketing?
I did buy stranger in paradise
I would have brought octopath 2 if the first one was better
If they want me to care about dragon quest spinoffs bring back swords
This has to be a barrypost
Surely no one else can be this moronic
FLOP FLOP FLOP FLOP
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GO BANKRUPT GO BANKRUPT
GO BANKRUPT GO BANKRUPT
GO BANKRUPT GO BANKRUPT
It's working bro. Keep going
Based. Can't wait for more XVI-ludo.
i want to lick her face
Just give me my DQ and SaGa for fricks sake
wait when did square enix start making none AAA games?
>more high budget boring shit
I hate this fricking company
Automata was their greatest success of the last decade and that certainly wasn't AAA. Yet they're still hung up on this shit "AAA blockbuster" strategy despite failing again and again and again
>Automata was their greatest success of the last decade
2b troons are never getting another game kek
>this makes Star Ocean 2 remake Enix's swan song
Imagine if all that forspoken costs could've been spent for making their AA get more support and make 16 better too. I just want them to release nft shit so they can die fast already
>Star Ocean
>Valkyrie Profile
>Twewy
>Musashi
>Parasite Eve
All these have mainstream potential. I'd rather SE go bankrupt than them still going on and keep continuing making AAAslop barely getting by
So, Bahamut Lagoon Remaster, never ever.
A follow up to Triangle Strategy never ever
Just Final Fantasy, Kingdom Heart and Nier goyslop from now on
>Bahamut Lagoon Remaster
That would be more entertaining than any AAA SE game. The homosexual SE schizos in the FF/KH threads would lose their shit if they discovered Bahamut Lagoon.
They know no true NTR. Fricking princess Yoyo
AAA Nier sounds good. We already got a AAA Drakengard with FFXVI and it was great.
Nah, they should just focus on PC. PCgays would've and will slurp XVI up.
>PCgays would've and will slurp XVI up.
What if they don't
They're moronic enough to buy snoy games. They will eat this shit up no problem.
They didn't buy Ratchet and Clank
It still sold and they bought the other games too
They didn't buy Sackboy or Returnal either.
>FF7R only sold around 500k on PC from EGS and Steam
>FF15 only sold 10% of its sales on PC
>most of the sales for both games came from Playstation consoles
FF games were never big on PC
By the time FF16 comes out, around 2024-2025 or something, it will have long lost its relevance
Isn't FF14 big on PC? They will get a lot of people from there I guess
If they knew what they were doing they'd release it between expac droughts.
Doesn't work for ff7r
I feel like SE has mismanaged their PC releases so badly that they can't count on PC sales, between the shit ports, high prices, EGS exclusivity and denuvo they've set themselves back a shitload, I mean KH3 has been on PC for like 2 years now and no one cares because the collection is $200 and still EGS exclusive
Don't forget Dragon Quest. 12 is in production.
Oh boy, I can't wait for my favorite studio to deliver such games as
>More Nier installments with more pseudo Philosophy
>Final Fantasy, something people only know from that blond twink
>Disney fantasy
>Remakes
Perfect! Just what I wanted.
That bird is cute.
>FFXVI profitable after a week
>FF is dead guys
???
it doesn't say ff16 is profitable yet
ff16 hasn't surpassed 3m and its legs are dead
it would need to fully sell all physical shipment of that 3m before it can be profitable, it will barely sell a few hundrek thousand over that 3m in these next few years
ff16 is dead on arrival
OHNONONONO BAZZY BOYS WHAT THE FRICK DO WE DO? WE GOT A RIGHT DRANGO OF A BOGUN THIS TIME.
that's not how it works moron, just because your losses are in last years accounts doesnt make them stop existing
>is barely able to make a profit despite selling its soul for Sony exclusivity
>post-week 1 sales flop massively, meaning most of those 3M copies are still sitting at retail
>meanwhile the previous entry was able to sell off all of its initial 5M stock by the end of the first month
Barry-san... I kneel.
But unlike XV, it doesn't have an entire wikipedia article dedicated to the development
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_Final_Fantasy_XV
XVI wasn't stuck in development hell and didn't have two movies, three books and whatever else Nomura dreamed up
ff16 was in dev hell
OI FOOKIN WOT, BAZZ LADS WHAT THE FOOK IS THIS? CRICKEY!
Wait, so the game didn't flop? The game is making profit? Frick this shit I'm out, people getting me excited then I go into thread and see this shit, frick off
Holy shit, is that Barry's twitter account
STOP THE COUNT!
Ah the hopeless gambling addict. Lose millions on big budget garbage, but gotta keep trying in the hopes one of them makes it big. RIP they won't live long.
I do not get how Square Enix's stock isn't at $0, every decision they makes screams failure
I hope someone makes one with Armored Core's Nineball and Clive. Imagine ARMORED CORE outselling Final Fantasy. Holy shit, that would be surreal. Almost as surreal as the large battles in AC6 being more "next-gen" than FFXVI's combat despite being a PS4/Xbone game. It's funny how the combat for XVI was so hyped up yet it ended up being the weakest part. I actually enjoyed the characters and story of XVI though
Maybe if they went back to 4 dudes in a row instead of bad movies, we would still be rocking. DQ sells just fine and its STILL a 4 dudes in a row game.
>stop trying to reinvent the fricking wheel.
>give me my turn-based.
>give me my jobs.
>let me save the world.
You will get your forced bittersweet ending and YOU ARE GONNA LIKE IT
It's not even that. It's a non-ending.
>2 DQ producers left SE recently
>another DQ producer is on a non-DQ game Foamstars
>DQXII is still in the prototyping/recruitment phase
>DQ3 Remake is MIA
>DQX offline and DQ Treasures weren't a hit last year
>action-based Infinity Strash is the only DQ game announced for this year
https://www.gematsu.com/2023/03/dragon-quest-series-chief-producer-ryutaro-ichimura-leaves-square-enix
https://gamerant.com/dragon-quest-producer-ryota-aomi-leaves-square-enix/
https://blog.playstation.com/2023/05/24/foamstars-a-fresh-new-party-shooter-revealed-for-ps5-and-ps4/
https://twitter.com/GameDataLibrary/status/1572963500930088963
https://gamingbolt.com/dragon-quest-treasures-sells-over-143000-units-on-japanese-retail-debut
https://noisypixel.net/infinity-strash-dragon-quest-the-adventure-of-dai-september-2023-worldwide-release/
I don't expect them to go back to turn base anytime soon, but at least bring the fricking jobs back.
Honestly that just ties into why XVI didn't splash:
FF just hasn't been FUN in a long while. Either the mechanics are too obtuse and drag down the gameplay, the stories are absolute dogwater or a combination of both.
>instead of bad movies
So 4 homies in a row?
>GBA version
>PS controller
????
Emulation
Still more fun then 16s combat
If you like movies that plays itself sure.
More workers = more salary = higher budget. Not even counting moneysink for voice actors which that game had shit ton of.
Look, I don't think you know what "bloated" means
lol it's the mmo devs = mmo quality guy
can't teach an old dog new tricks amirite?
this is the slowest possible way to grind those encounter when you have access to multi hit attacks
*flops*
>make game about 8 characters joiing a party
>they dont have impact on eachothers plots at all
Wasn't this made by a Korean Studio and published by Square?
That's like saying when a bad book hits the shelves, its the publisher's fault for writing a shitty book instead of the Author and Editor.
Nope, made by SquareEnix in house in Japan.
>Square and Acquire, Both Japanese.
I am certainly BTFO. Damn, SE Fricked up.
Its the same devs as bravely and triangle strategy, an internal studio that's been around for almost a decade or more
What fricking Korean games are you thinking of
Square co-developed it with Acquire, which is a Japanese company.
4 dudes in a row is a genre for women who just want to take their time, don't want to think too much, explore, pick some flowers, give some cute animals some israeliteels, ride on chocobos, hit some floating ball and talk with NPCs
There are good turnbased games and gameplay-wise FF isn't one of them. You just navigate menus, that's it.
>Calls classic JRPG gameplay a genre for women.
Go leave bro, I'm sure you have a BLACKED thread there waiting for you.
Classic JRPG gameplay is trash though, at least most of the time.
It's inferior to actual western RPGs
Look at games like Bravely Default or Octopath Traveler and compare it to Divnity or BG3
They are all turnbased but not all of them actually requires (some) thinking, enables and rewards the player for being creative.
Classic JRPG gameplay is trash.
What?
>Class JRPG gameplay is trash
That's a hot opinion you have there. Disagree anon.
Divinity and BG3 is closer to a Tactics RPG then a turn-based JRPG. Not even trying to do the same thing.
Alright, tell me. What makes selecting "attack" or "magic" from a menu so good?
>Divinity and BG3 is closer to a Tactics RPG then a turn-based JRPG.
Cope.
Both are turn-based RPGs, it's not so much about strategy but the game just has positioning and not just front/back row.
Spells have AoE with a radius, it's not just "hit all"
You can combine different elements and status effects
You just describe a Tactics game anon, not a JRPG.
>it's not an RPG!
You didn't even try to explain what is supposed to be good about classic JRPG gameplay.
It's just passable
So he can hold the X and win.
>Describes an XCOM variant.
>Compares it to 4 homies in a row.
Its called taste. 90% of that positioning and AOE radius shit is pointless. Majority of fights you don't need it, you just your basic attacks and win. You only need that shit for boss encounters.
>JRPG Boss Enoc**ters
>Manage Buffs
>Manage Heals
>Manage Debuffs
>Manage special mechanics.
>Maybe have additional adds/changes to the fights that make it harder.
And your game still has menu based combat anon, it's just now a hot bar instead. Mechanically your still picking an ability from a list and clicking on an enemy.
>debuffs
>working on bosses
if only...
FF13 - Poison worked on basically everything.
special mechanics.
Like what? Don't hit the tail when it's up?
In the FF series you'll meet some unique mechanics when fighting an optional superboss
>Manage Buffs
>Manage Debuffs
Rarely, especially in the FF series it's not that important unless a magic user has been silenced.
SMT actually requires the player to use buffs/debuffs
>Manage Heals
So, just like any other game. You have a dedicated healer who's just there to keep the HP numbers high
>Its called taste
Not really. I like JRPGs too but I'm not pretending that I like the game because of the gameplay.
You even said it yourself that the actual gameplay is shit
>Majority of fights you don't need it, you just your basic attacks and win. You only need that shit for boss encounters.
If it's just bosses where you're required to do shit like heal (lmao) what does it say about 90% of the battles you encounter?
>90% of that positioning and AOE radius shit is pointless.
>Describes an XCOM variant.
You haven't played the games I used as an example and it shows. Just leave it alone instead of spewing nonsense. What's wrong with you?
You're the same moron who keeps posting the same moronic shit,like you've never actually played a JRPG.Games like Grandia, Trails in the Sky, even fricking neptunia have positioning.
>It's not me who pretends to know about games he didn't play, it's you!
Frick off, moron.
Funny you mention Grandia though, it is more engaging than other JRPGs (or at least DQ/FF) because of the action bar. But I don't think you could really move the character around, they moved on their own if I'm not mistaken.
But I haven't played Trails or Neptunia so I don't know about position/moving in those games. If it's just a grid, then it is vastly different. In Divinity, you can use obstacles and objects on the map, sneak around, some skills affect the ground and so on.
>You're the same moron who keeps posting the same moronic shit
Honestly that sounds like a cope because I don't hang around in each FF thread. This isn't even the time I'm usually on Ganker. I can only tell you that I'm not the guy
is talking about.
>But I don't think you could really move the character around, they moved on their own if I'm not mistaken.
You are mistaken
>In Divinity, you can use obstacles and objects on the map, sneak around, some skills affect the ground and so on.
You can surprise attack enemies on the map in tons of JRPGs jfc
>and not just front/back row.
lmao you;'re that dipshit who didnt know FF7 had this and got called out about it the other day, aren't you? fricking moron
Life isn't fair. Deal with it, weeb.
>It's inferior to actual western RPGs
frick off troony
>MMO devs kill future SoP, TWEWY, theatryhthm
bravo CBU3
In all seriousness, they need to fire Yoshi P and break apart the MMO team. Assure shareholders that they understand what went wrong.
If the board of directors is too corrupt to do this, then the shareholders should take them to court.
The MMO Team is the only thing profitable of the whole business. Why break it up?
MMO team just lost a tremendous amount of money (again.)
If they are willing to restructure to try and save them again, then so be it. If I was a shareholder, I would sue.
Sounds like SE poorly managed their people, and took their MMO Talent to a Non-MMO game.
>Have a team of people who are amazing at building houses.
>Everyone loves these houses!
>Make House Team build a Car factory!
>Get upset when the House Team isn't good at making a car factory.
Sony is set to buy Square and spin off Enix into it's own company
Disney already got Kingdom Hearts after SquareEnix tried to weasel Disney out of their money for Sora in Smash so Disney can easily go to BandaiNamco and continue Kingdom Hearts there with Tales characters instead of Final Fantasy characters.
This homie thinks having no mmo income is a good decision
square this gen has went from the dumbest fricking japanese company to just the dumbest fricking company at all
at least ubisoft putting out nothing at all is smarter than putting out forespoken then doubling down on it
Doesn't that paint more that FF16 did fine, and that they're stopping doing mid-budget titles like Stranger of Paradise, Valkyrie Elysium, Star Ocean and stuff like Diofield?
I'm pretty sure all of Square's low to mid budget games were considered bombs and they pushed out lots of those last year.
>I'm pretty sure all of Square's low to mid budget games were considered bombs
Taro and Asano games do fine.
Lol not one of their titles sold 3 million on the switch
Taro games are on the Switch? Look at you, pivoting to console wars against a post that has nothing to do with console wars. XVIgays need to go after low-hanging fruits that don't exist because they have nothing left but a mediocre game.
Nier Automata is on the switch
After several years of not being on the Switch. And its less demanding prequel? Not on Switch.
ff16 didn't do fine
it isn't even profitable yet
will we see a FF20 in our lifetime?
FF27 is confirmed so yes.
>game takes place in 2027
>FF27
ah, 2011
But this means any AA game from SE is fricked and those are the HD-2D games, remakes of snes games and any "experimental" ones...
This means that Dragon Quest 12 will be heavily delayed for the Switch’s successor. They’re going full moron into high end and I want to see the pores on the foreheads of toriyama’s women and when I do I will zoom in the camera so their glistening cranium s fill my screen and I will kiss them
moron, FF has been a leading AAA franchise for over 20 years. If anything, these buttholes will double down with FFXVII instead of learning from their mistakes.
Why is Nier in the picture? I don't think Nier counts as AAA.
I think it is. The original Nier absolutely was not, but once Platinum got involved it got a massive boost to its quality and budget.
Automata was a very very cheap game and barely had any budget. It's not AAA by any means.
Yosuke saito (producer of nier automata) when asked about the games budget said its nowhere near AAA and when pushed for a number said AA would be more like it.
So 20-30m ish would be the budget for the game, thats with marketing btw
I really hope they don't change anything just so I can get to see morons in this board mald and make 40 threads a day about this company. Unironically serves as actual entertainment.
Nintendo should snipe team Asano before it's too late.
Thank frick. Now bring all mainline
Dragon Quests to PC, you dumb Black folk
>kingdom hearts but it's now tekken characters instead of final fantasy characters
K I N O
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>Sony is set to buy Square
Before or after they buy Capcom and From?
Yes.
Square is much closer to Sony then Capcom (still has very deep ties with Nintendo) and From.
It's why we're even getting a Mario RPG remake, part of Square's Sony deal is that Nintendo gets everything Mario RPG (and a few Mario sports games Square did) related 100% so Square doesn't ever need with Nintendo ever again.
But because Enix is being spon off into it's own company Switch (2) owners can still get Dragon Quest games.
>Spin off Enix
>When square wants to capitalize on DQ internationally
Stop huffing paint
The Japanese courts won't allow Sony to buy SquareEnix as a whole because they already have too many companies that deal with anime (Enix owns alot of them), so Sony can only buy the Square half as long as Square sells it's shares of Mario RPG and a few sports games they did back to Nintendo.
Source?
>Sony is set to buy Square and spin off Enix into it's own company
>AAA games.
why not post the midgar sectors from when you're up in the rafters
it's way more noticeable and looks just as bad, I honestly don't care/notice this kind of stuff most of the time, but that one made me stop and wonder how it got put in the game
>SEgays are still continuing this "TB is dead" narrative after being humiliated in the BG3 threads.
Let's not forget all the schizos that come with SEgays such as Stellagay and Barry. SEgays are the worst group on this board.
It's hilarious seeing them twist and turn in a pile of their own shit.
Literally no one plays BG3 for it's gameplay. It's a WEG disguised as a "game" for deprived PCgays.
cope dude
Yet to see ONE single discussion about the combat, even devs themselves talked about
>Dood look at how many sex options we have xd
Or
>Dood look at our character creator which we will scold you for choosing white male
>Western Dating Simulator beats Japanese Dating Simuator
>SEgays are still continuing this "TB is dead" narrative
but TotalBiscuit IS dead, anon
FF and DQ aren't good turn based games though. Comparing BG3 or the Divinity games to them isn't fair at all
Life isn't fair. Deal with it, weeb.
>Every character is a Snarky Ass with Quips and insults.
Literally everyone. Haven't seen a clip yet where a character isn't making some "Epic Reaction!" comment.
Sells better than your Japanese horseshit.
this looks boring as shit, it's only selling because of muh bear sex
And it'll fund future games that while your beloved JRPGs wither and die before they even leave Japan, because not even nips give a shit about JRPGs anymore.
XVI isn't a JRPG, it's J-Action.
It's dogshit that's barely remembered besides how much of a failure it is.
>10M
BG3 has almost 1M concurrent players on Steam and hasn't hit consoles yet. It's going to be bigger than Elden Ring. And during the time P5 has had its run, Larian Studios has put out three CRPGs and DOS2 shipped around 7.5M copies. You fricking losers are as dumb as the FFgays.
Walmart was one of the biggest corporations in the world cause it sold shit at low prices. MS is big cause it has a monopoly. Apple sells well cause it turned its phones into overpriced status symbols. I guess that means you'll enjoy small, ugly ass JRPGs that are funded so poorly you have to learn Japanese to play them because they can't afford to be localized. Good. It'll gatekeep the shitters from your fandom.
lol
DOS2 was the old high mark for WRPGs.
Pathfinder and Pillars were low as sin.
BG3 is the first time WRPGs have taken pole position in...a decade?
I am ignoring Pokemon btw, which is very generous to (You)
Yea, no one thinks of Pokemon as a "JRPG" Just like no one thinks of Elden Ring or Tears of the Kingdom as "JRPGs". And the main reason the term has been around for as long as its been around is because of Final Fantasy which is dead as a door nob now. But, by all means, promote Pokemon as the leading JRPG franchise of the day. I'm sure the pedophiles and pokefrickers will make it an even playing field with the furries and trannies that play BG3.
>nob
lmao
You got me.
Nah, Persona 5 sold around 10 million.
FF is just dying slowly.
Other JRPGs are taking its place. Tales hit a new high for sales as well too.
P5 + P5R is supposed only around 7.6 or something when did it reach 10 million?
Wait until the honeymoon period is over, FOTM games always turn out with a huge buyers remorse phase. Give it a week you'll start to see anons questioning why people fell for a game written by Kevin Van Ord of all people.
And it will probably get dropped pretty hard once the next FOTM comes out.
Baldur's Gate had a lot of things going for it.
>Rona created the biggest hype in DnD in history.
>Critical Role exploded into a house-hold name.
>Critical Role even got an Anime.
>Wizards shat out two Dungeons and Dragons sets for MtG.
>Had a movie come out less than 3 months ago.
>Marketing side of it knew how to build last minute hype with Sex Scenes and "The Bear"
Yeah, it sold better, will probably sell better.
You know what sells really well? Great Value stuff at walmart. Outsells the name brands like crazy. Doesn't mean its better.
In three years your troony Gate 3 couldn't even outsell the most hated and unwanted final fantasy game there ever was, ask more content creators to shill for your garbage and post more sex memes next time lmao
It's amazing how you don't need to sell +10 million copies of a game if you don't bloat your budget and make a good game
>if you don't bloat your budget
BG3 is AAA though, Larian has 450 workers.
What does that have anything to do with bloated budgets?
400 workers divided into several divisions each managing several IPs including Baldur's Gate, compared that to 4000 SE workers
>seething about the massive success of BG3
XVI-kun are you okay?
are you okay?
are you okay XVI-kun?
XVI-kun are you okay?
are you okay?
are you okay XVI-kun?
Jillgay these are Early Access sales LMAO
tfw EA incomplete Act 1 of BG3 sold more than XVI... where does it end?
>troony Gate 3 fan tries to convince people that 2.5 is more than 3
Who would've thought that target audience for their troony game are literal fricking morons LMAO
Posting selfies is frowned upon on Ganker, Anon
i accept your concession, troony.
There are people that still believe in turn based.
When is this game releasing? I've barely heard anything about it.
Square-Enix is a joke. Imagine sperging hard about turn-based games not selling for 20 years and then having your flagship AAA action game get fricking mogged by a turn-based game.
>"will focus less on mid sized games and more on triple AAA"
>they learned nothing
typicial squeenix, those rascals
How do you read that headline and get to this moronic idea?
I blame low effort shit like triangle strategy and various daylife that made them pivot away from AA games. Square enix is apperently happy with FF16
FORSAKEN 2 BAYBEEEEE
Shit, I'll take a Forsaken sequel.
That literally says they are indeed focusing on AAA games exactly like ff 16 you moron
If BG3 outsells FFXVI on PS5 I will cum in my pants and post photographic evidence here for you all to enjoy.
I can't even outsold it on PC, but keep dreaming troon lmao
>How mad can this board get now that SE officially announced FFXVI was a success
Motherfricker, can't you read between the lines? They got a -70% drop in net income during this last quarter, their stock plummet after their last shareholder meeting, their previous CEO just got kicked out of his position and they just announced a total overhaul on their gaming output. Does any of this translates to a company that just saw a mainline title from their flagship franchise be the success they were hoping for? Frick no. FFXVI didn't crash and burn like Forspoken, but it clearly didn't pull the numbers Square was hoping for. Its literally the meme of Square not being happy with a game sales figure, but now that they don't have their western studios to blame anymore they have to suck it up and pretend everything is doing fine.
japan is such a fricking shit hole
Only good games from squenix recently were exactly "mid-sized".
Reminder that SE "declaring FFXVI a success" was them responding to IGN's request for comments on an article they wrote about the sales possibly being disappointing, and all they said was they were happy with the "initial sales results."
They didn't put out the PR on their own out of pride, it was damage control for a negative IGN article.
But they literally tweeted and were celebrating when they passed 3m sales lmao
Why do people (like Barry) claim that XVI flopped?
it sold 3 million in a week
That's actually bad by FF standards. XV and VII:R did that in a weekend.
XV and 7R had the benefit of a standing franchise
No one wants to touch this dogshit after how much of an insulting dumpster fire XV was at launch, and then 7R further snuffed it out by selling compilation trash as a "remake"
The fact that XVI did more than a million is a fricking miracle, I have no intention of touching this tainted corpse of a franchise and that's the broad sentiment among everyone with a functioning brain.
In my opinion, it stems from a group of people who refuse to acknowledge that Final Fantasy isn't as popular as it used to be. For example, Final Fantasy 7 Remake did 3.5 million it's first week, and that's a "remake" of not only one of the most popular games in the series but one of the most popular games in general.
Millennials can't comprehend that FF was only a juggernaut franchise from 1997-2001. After the release of FFX, the merger with Enix and Sakaguchi leaving, the series got sidelined with spinoffs, sequels, and an MMO. FFXII didn't come out for another 5 years and it was a drastic departure from 7, 8, and 10. Then it was another 4 year wait for XIII and we all know how that went. The series lost its momentum.
>2001
FFXIII came out in 2010, Zoomer-kun
>the series got sidelined with spinoffs, sequels
Dance around who made those so you don't enrage the crazy obsessives
>and it was a drastic departure from 7, 8, and 10.
It wasn't drastic, it was just underwhelming and that's because some suits butted in and ruined it.
The game is full of moronic decisions. The MC wasn't even supposed to be a character, suits wanted a pretty boy after the success of FFX.
And then all the weird things like invisible chests just so they could sell more strategy guides
Because SE literally said ff16 sold under expectations
Ask Kiryu yourself
Lmao I'm glad SE didn't bend the knee to fricking moronic Gankerermin that want them to regress like 2 decades and make outdated games like octoshit and boring default
It's wild how they're proudly going "Um AKSHUALLY we EXPECTED it to sell like shit. We just WANTED it to be the worst selling mainline game by a wide margin!"
they said many times many years out that they were unhappy about the performance of PS5 so literally speaking they did "expect" it to sell poorly
if it was a good game it'd have sold hardware. It didnt even move it a pixel.
Keep in mind these are the threads where we've had multiple gays go "actually Game of Thrones had NOTHING to do with XVI", the article where Yoshi-P just waxes about GoT and talks about making the whole team watch it gets posted, and then they go "okay but that doesn't prove ANYTHING"
All XVIgays know how to do is deflect, nitpick, and cope
>Focus more on AAA
Very bad idea. That will alienate your fanbase.
>That will alienate your fanbase
FF and KH were always AAA games of their time. FF7 was one of the most expensive games to make to this day.
>New game came out
>Profit went up
This was the case with FF7R and other titles as well.
Why is FF16 the only exception here?
I-I-IT'S EVERYTHING ELSE'S FAULT! XVI DINDU NUFFIN! DONT FORGET THE THREE GORILLION!!!!
Because forspoken didn't release before 7r
Forspoken released in the previous quarter, it should have made it incredibly easy for the numbers to go up in the FF16 quarter
Flopspoken was last quarter
this is purely from ff16s failures
Square Enix stocks have dropped more than 25% since FF16's release
Oof
I'd say
>good time to buy
But SE seems to want to continue down the Yoshi P path to bankruptcy. I'll short it if they give him another big project.
Because they wrote off expenses of several games in this quarter
7R was out for 3 months by the time of the results wasn't it? It also had other games launch in that quarter aside from just 7R IIRC. Plus the mobile sector is performing much better compared to years following but that wouldn't impact income much if I were to wager.
Why are you lying on internet?
https://twitter.com/6d6f636869/status/1688377042361016320
https://twitter.com/6d6f636869/status/1688353878771945472
His original tweet which is in Japanese still stands though
meant for
>analysts said
translation : i made it up
Google lied!?
OH NO NO NO FF16BABS!?
Stop posting the truth!!!!! Le bloomberg man lied!!!!!
i was talking about what he said, not the graph, yeah this quarter sucks, they had to pay expenses for several titles
Yes,yes 3M sales definitely a good sales. Hahaha
>exclusivity deal money
>marketing paid by sony
yeah, i'm thinking it's pretty good
Just like their stock
>report weak quarter
>stock drops
they'll be just fine
they have no significant releases for this year
have you even seen what they will put out?
buy the dip
>they have no significant releases for this year
they already had them. the year is almost over. next year is ff7 remake part 2, a new dq monsters, and who knows what else. dq12 and kingdom hearts 4 also in the pipeline over the next couple years.
FF7 Rebirth is still planned for this fiscal year
does early 2024 still count as the 2023 fiscal year based on some moronic business technicality?
fiscal year 2024 is from april 1st 2023 to march 31st 2024, yeah
it's not gonna do well. A lot of fans were pissed off at the story changes and it being a shitty sequel instead of a remake
You spend too much time on Ganker, the vast majority of people loved 7R
So you're saying you know better than a white-collar analyst working at a reputable international media outlet that specializes in financial markets?
I can't think of a single time Mochizuki was right, israelite
No he is talking about analysts who were there for the earnings call
That FF7R one also includes avengers
Forspoken was q4 fy2023
this is ff16 this quarter
It took me less time to 100% XVI, than it did to fully complete any of III-VI PR.
XVI is not AAA, no matter what they might claim.
Did you pay full price for PR or pirate it?
Got it in a steam sale.
>sale
There's the audience that cares so much about the games SE says no one wants to buy. While FF16gays went out and bought $500 consoles to play one game. You're not moronic enough to pander to.
They'll triple down on the cope and delude themselves into thinking they were right all along just like they've been doing for years
This is further suggestion in my mind that there was executive meddling/sabotage to kneecap shit like NEO TWEWY.
They paid for a full television anime series as promotion, there was no conspiracy against nomura's gay fashion series
This actually sucks because I liked Square putting on a bunch of AA titles like Valkyrie Elysium, Diofield, Triangle Strategy, Star Ocean and the Team Asano games. It might actually be an issue of FF16 having too high of an attachment rate so they're hoping their next AAA game will perform similarly because lord knows no one bought fricking Diofield or Valkyrie Elysium.
ff16 is literally a fricking offline mmo, it's literal trash. how did they expect it to sell.
man i cant wait for them to go under already, they just keep sticking their dick in the electrical socket and Final Fantasy isnt enough of an excuse for me to give a frick.
but hopefully we can see the colossal bomb of an NFT game beforehand.
As long as FF14 is raking in the Monthly yen, they wont go under any time soon.
>>"Yeah, I saved FFXIV, I can save the franchise with my shitty game design philosophy. It worked for XIV, and that's all it takes to be on the Board of Directors!"
Their bigger worries are probably the mobile game decline and that the MMO sector isn't going to see a serious uptick until next summer. FFXIV went from a 2 year expansion cycle to 2.5 year cycle, initially this was blamed on covid but seems like it's going to stay. Their mobile games are just all rotting and none of their new ones are catching on.
FF16bros..?
so blatant..
Ban all phoneposters already, holy frick
The absolute meltdown on this board for a "shit game nobody cares about" heh. Don't worry PCgays you'll get it soon enough.
>pc release comes and goes
>doesn't even manage 4 million sales
it's going to be very funny kek
final fantasy doesn't even look like an rpg anymore its always some gay looking boy band shit and they removed all the rpg aspects
They're all knock off DMCs with MMO Targeting now.
This literally means there will be an FF17 though
>Mochizuki got caught out being a lying homosexual so he moves to Genki
kek
You're coping
https://twitter.com/6d6f636869/status/1688399062272483328?t=HsCodgoN_O9UoL9x4gc5ZA&s=19
ff16 flopped
R I P
they deserve it for burying deus ex
What's wrong? They're making a new Deus Ex. Embracer will save the franchise.
Bets on when Yoshi "resigns?"
Won't be long, but it'll still be a while. We have to see how things play out and if his enemies within SE can make their move sooner or later. We have to patient.
>FFXVI could sell amazing on pc and decent on xbox
>dies instead
BRAVO SNOYS LMAO
>FFXVI could sell amazing on pc and decent on xbox
FFXIII and XV sold bulk of their sales on PS.
Brutal mogging for Xbox.
FFXVI couldnt sell well on anything because it's a shit game for morons
OH NO NO NO GENKI DREAMBOUM AND NSP ON SUICIDE WATCH
Guess Octopath and Triangle Strategy are dead, I hate Yoshi P so fricking much
Doesnt this mean they're focusing MORE on AAA games like FF16?
Yes. More AAA like FF 16 and Forspoken.
"Mid sized' would be things like Harvestella, Octopath Traveler, Star Ocean, the Dragon Quest and FF spinoffs, etc. Personally I'd rather have a steady stream of most of those games than one "mainline" final fantasy once every 6 years.
Their actual problem is that they're expecting global market sales numbers but they don't spend any time, money, or effort marketing their "mid-sized" games globally, and they rely on california to handle their western releases but california is a bizarro ESG opposite world in terms of western gaming culture, demographics, and indicators of potential success.
Did you buy all those mid-sized games at full price?
I bought many of them at the $40 pricepoint.
They literally said FF16 sold under expectations and they expected it to sell more
They didn't say they expected it to sell more. They said they were satisfied with the sales.
>xv kun won at the end
pfhahahhaha
thanks a lot SNOYS
What do you think this means for Mana (Seiken Densetsu)?
The remake of SD2 was awful and did poorly.
The remake of SD3 sold pretty decently but it was also a mid-sized game.
The mobile game crashed and burned immediately, and I imagine the remaster of Legend and the collection are probably doing alright-ish.
Echoes of Mana was a colossal failure that killed all of the goodwill they gained with the SD3 remake. What's worse is that the series producer (who was the one that pushed for the modern remakes and a new mainline game) has been MIA for almost a year at this point, not even writing a comment in EoM's artbook despite being present in some of its livestreams. There are rumors of him being fired because of the gacha's failure.
There's been no updates in the merch announced in last year's anniversary stream, nor the "new console game" they hinted at 2 years ago, and with absolutely nothing being announced at this year's anniversary there's a very real chance the series has been shelved again.
all of this has reminded me that there was a Legend of Mana anime last year that sucked and now I'm bummed
Not all hope is lost because they did recently do Mana collabs with FF Theatrhythm and Brave Exvius. The series future is very dependent on whether or not this supposed new console game actually releases and is successful.
Say it ain't so bros
How come SE keeps making obviously bad decisions regarding this series so often? Ever since SD3 released they've been pretty weird about this series.
>launch a bad anime about Legend which already had an avantgarde approach to storytelling that only really works as a video game
Confusing.
Should i buy Divinity 2 on PS5? How is playing it on controller?
Feels better on controller than it does on M+KBM tbh.
t. Played on PC and PS
Is it better than Baldurs gate 3?
Haven't tried BG3 yet tbh. Waiting on PS5 release.
Yeah im going to try DOS2 when its on sale
Don't know if i will enjoy this genre enough to justify full price on BG3
That's a solid plan. If you don't like it, you will know pretty quickly.
Must suck to be an FF fan for the past decade. Nothing but shit, after shit, each game more divisive than the last.
it's only shit if you care about the (LOL) community
anyone wise should know better by now, the FF fandom is full of the most unbearable morons imaginable
Considering the state of the franchise and all the shit Yoshi-P was saying prior to FFXVI's launch, I'm pretty sure SE thinks it's in a shit spot too
It's pretty great, Strangers of Paradise, FFXIV, FFXVI the franchise is on everyone's lips on a daily basis, seethe gays are doing market PR for free and keeping the franchise fresh in anons minds on Ganker for example.
The Pixel remasters were great, gave a lot of people the chance to play the old FF games on PC, it has never been a better time to be an FF fan for over 20 years, not since the golden age of the ps1 days.
We're eating very good.
Nobody cares, monkey-san.
>mfw FFXVI's shitty story is a hard flop past week 1 sales.
Thank you for the free marketing Seethe-kun
Stop using XIV to shitpost with bazzy boy.
>less on mid sized games and more on AAA titles going forward
THAT WAS EXACTLY THE PROBLEM YOU FRICKING moronS. WHY ARE YOU DOUBLING DOWN?
This company...
[New Product] Squeenixgays sure are a touchy bunch huh
https://twitter.com/6d6f636869/status/1688399062272483328?t=Em-RFPxnd8cXEO6hEQVtyg&s=19
No... stop lying... i could die anytime...
AAIIIEEEE
OUFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
the PS5 exclusivity really shows how completely out of touch the people making business decisions are at squenix. i've said it a million times, but the only people who even have a ps5 outside of japan are scalpers, snoy moviegame watchers, and cawadoody/fifa third worlders. the RPG market is overwhelmingly on switch and PC, and you can't very well make a modern AAA graphics quality game on the switch. it was a huge frickup to not bring it to PC on release where over half of their potential audience is.
>According to analysts who attended
kek
OH NO NO NO YOSHITPISS SISTERS WE LOST
>the latest cope
>OH NO NO NO YOSHITPISS SISTERS WE LOST
Anon, Square announced they're going to do MORE AAA games. It's right in the OP which OP got confused by.
We're unfortunately going to get more stuff like FF16. I just want cozy smaller budget turn-based RPGs from Square, dont' see why they aren't wanting to do that in between their shitty action experiments.
President Kiryu is not real!!!! Fake!!! Frick you Barry!!
>PS5 was a limiting factor
This is literally what everyone already said before and Barry kept trying to gaslight people by saying the PS5 sold more than the PS4.
Anon, FF games are SUPPOSED to be console sellers.
This not being the case anymore, despite being the only reason why people would want a PS5 for, is a very bad sign. Pic related was a better system seller back in 2018 with like 5% the budget.
Since everyone knows it coming to PC why the frick would you buy it on PS5? In that time I spent waiting I built myself a new rig with a 4090
So much of a system seller that's it's sequel performed worse on the same platform?
Anon...wtf is going on with you?
Nothing it's literally just true. Octopath sure as shit wasn't selling switches BotW was more than likely.
I dunno what sold Switches at the time, but your argument is beyond moronic.
FF 10 was a system seller and FF 12 sold far less.
The sequel was multiplatform garbage.
FF16 shills on suicide watch
>puts on 2 filters to limit and skew the results
its not even top 30 you moron
there wasnt even supposed to be a final fantasy 2 what the frick do you want
i want internet strangers to talk to me so i feel better about myself before the thoughts come back
So
>FF16 sold under expectations, its legs already fell off a cliff so only what little they sell beyond the 3m (it still has not surpassed 3m shipped+digitally sold, until all physical shipment are sold out it will not be able to start making profit, and that will take over a year at this rate with it already being dead) is after expenses are factored
>They seem to have cancelled some projects and written them off
>They are focussing now mainly on AAA development but will take years to see the results of that
>No more mid sized games in high output like their busy 2022 with lots of mid budget titles that all flopped hard
They said they're focusing on AAA in the previous quarter too. This is nothing new
A damn shame. Good thing I got my TWEWY sequel so I don't give a frick about what happens to this company anymore.
>TWEWY is dead
>again
why do some of the familiar faces in these threads treat video games and corpos the same way brown people do soccer teams
barry won
I'm replaying FF12 and the zones are bigger than I remember. It's pretty nice to explore.
OH NO NO NO XVI-KUN DONT LOOK
https://twitter.com/6d6f636869/status/1688399062272483328?t=1tbtm3ssh09zrIJUpg702g&s=19
>Out: According to analysts who attended Square Enix's earnings call, President Kiryu said FF16 sales didn't meet the high end of the company's expectations and PS5's installment base was a limiting factor.
We'll be seeing alot of Phil-san soon
of course not, it must've cost a ton for development
OH NO NO NO BU BU BU IT WASN'T A FLOP!!!
>I deliberately took a moneyhat that would limit the sales of my game, and now it has sold less than expected. How could this be happening to me?
>more AAA console games
...so OP, this is saying the opposite of what you said. And that sucks. Because that means MORE of stuff like FF16, and less of stuff like Bravely Default and Octopath Traveler.
I don't understand Square.
I just want a new Nier game.
>All the people complaining about no AA titles
I wonder how many of you actually bought Diofield, Valkyrie Elysium, Various Daylife, Harvestella, etc. Probably none because those games were all shit. Squares problem is they lack talent. CBU3 got exposed hard with FF16 with all the parts of the game people like being developed by ex-capcom, Platinum, or the KH team and the parts people hated being the ones CBU3 were responsible for (aside from maybe music).
You scared me for a moment.
I thought about buying DIofield and Valkyrie Elysium
I dont care much, but i bought tactic ogre and triangle strategy
i bought octopath 2 and XVI you can't pin me down big man
>Squares problem is they lack talent
I'm starting to think something like this but I'm thinking it's less "talent" they lack, but good sense.
In certain contexts it's basically the same but what I more mean is they have the staff to make decent games, but the people in charge of the big decisions suck major wiener.
Although Valkyrie Elysium was next level bad for me so maybe it's talent too idk
Harvestella sold really well for its budget and was quite well liked, Star Ocean 6 did decently too
I bought Tactics Ogre, Octopath 1 and 2, Triangle Strategy, Bravely Default 2, and Live a Live. I did my part.
I hope they at the very least complete the FF Tactics remake instead of cancelling it with this "only AAA games" thing. Grandfathered in since already being worked on.
rumors are that it's pretty much done and they are just waiting to release it. Who knows tho
Their “mid sized” games were basically indie games without the soul. There is no reason for a large corporation to make small games anymore.
Bad take, most of the best games ever made were basically b-tier projects or even c-tier
Name 3 this console generation. If you’re a small team with a creative vision these days you don’t work in an office. You go indie.
>There is no reason for a large corporation to make small games anymore.
Small but consistently profitable games help smooth over the times when a AAA tentpole title fails, or god forbid multiple AAA titles fail
Which has been happening to a lot of companies that jettisoned their smaller titles
Why did xvi fail, bros? I thought Yoshi p was a genius with a golden touch?
He got wienery and created some weird FF14/DMC Frankenstein instead of just getting Ryu Suzuki to copy Dragons Dogma or DMC like they originally did with WoW.
Dragon's Dogma is fricking boring.
It apparently didn't since this is the direction they're going.
I'm actually pretty mad about this, i want more smaller budget stuff from them. They made an entire engine to remake FF1-6. It would've been cool for a smaller budget "classic-style" FF in that engine that's not a remake.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1688398144260718593
Will Elon Ma give us FFXVI bros a shout out too?
Would help with sales
Is Elon musk tweeting about this supposed to help sales, this dude is gonna cause refund nightmare
Oh homosexuals, we're on an anonymous imageboard for a reason, if you want to be named gays go reddit, if you want to post here and external link, it's etiquette you post a screencap if the website requires a sign in. I should have to spoonfeed you for frick sake.
it is truly the final fantasy.
what is happening right now lmao
extreme damage control from a random fanboy
Investor data doesn't lie
READ homie READ
Gibson literally attended square's earning call earlier today lmao. Mochizuki is a israelite that spins everything negatively as soon as it's related to sony
>random fanboy with personal financial interest in the stock stabilizing
excellent "source"
oh my god you're beyond moronic, he's an analyst working for a different outlet than Mochizuki, who works for fricking BLOOMBERG of all things
mochizuki can't stop losing
mochizuki won
mochizuki source is THREE analysts who attended the SE earnings call
gibson is ONE person and already deleted his tweets
Can someone explain why Mochizuki has such a hate boner for FF16? Isn't he supposed to be a journalist?
he's a bloomberg israelite who has a hate boner for sony in general
>report the honest situation
>he has a hate boner!
>report with massive fanboy twist
>this is the truth
holy fricking KEK
>israelite with a history of shitting on anything sony related
>reporting the honest situation
hmm
>pre-release: XVI will be a system seller
>post-release: It's the system's fault
KWAB
glad i'm not the only one that noticed the narrative shifting
historically FF games HAVE been system sellers.
Even 13 and 15 despite all their flaws moved systems
16 didnt even make the needle twitch for an insant, ps5 wasnt even top the week it launched
>it's not a flop, but if it is flopping then it's Sony's fault.
>More Live service and NFTs Please
>kills 20% of your profits
Kek the finalest of fantasies wasn't even a final fantasy in name
another day another bazzy buttfricking
>Guys we are losing money from AAA, what should we do?
>We need more AAA!!
>But I just told you we are losing money from AAA, so we can't afford more AAA
>We can if we cut the mid sized projects
Fricking hell, Did some business spy went in square enix to destroy them from within?
And when their value dropped into the shitter like Blizzard did, someone like Microsoft is gonna come in and buy them for a cheap price.
>less AA titles
>more AAA titles
So nothing but trash for the foreseeable future
>saves square enix
Is Square even involved with this remake?
idk but I'm sure they get some money since nintendo can't use it without them allowing them to
>since physical stock has not actual sold out from what they shipped within that 3m that means FF16 cannot be profitable until SE sends out new physical shipments
I FRICKING SAID THIS FROM THE START!! morons on this board don't understand that stores wont fricking order more units if they don't fricking sell
FF16's development was so on track it made FF14, 15, and 7R's developments a complete joke.
their development was already a joke but in the end they were profitable, unlike 16, whose development was smooth because it was so basic, unambitious and bland
I thought FF16 was fun. Why is it so hard to discuss the series on this board?
Buttblasted tendies and an abo has a huge hateboner for this game.
>SE say the sales were expected and the game became profitable as soon as it hit 3million
>operating income down 75% because multiple games were expensed in the same quarter
Does anyone here actually know how business works?
This is far from being a flop, it’s just normal release that was expected to be a smash hit by the execs but they forgot FFXV ruined the brand and PS5 is a dead dogshit console.
If you wanna trust analyst then some of them claim that the game already surpassed 5mil mark
>13% includes the free demo
KWAB
ff16 damaged the brand
ff16 flopped
Nope kiryu said ff16 sold below expectations
its a flop
How would you fix PS5?
>Mochizuki keeps doubling down and keeps embarrassing himself
kek
XVI cultists lost
https://archive.li/OBhon
GIBSON DELETED HIS TWEETS
MOVING WON
FF16 LOST
that's because he changed his wording to say Kiryu never said he hoped the sales were better
see
Kiryu's words were positive towards FF16
maybe release your flagship game on platforms that are owned by more than 10 non-scalpers
>FFXVI was such a flop they will now make more AAA games like it
Thanks for the input OP.
Now go to sleep. You clearly need it
>Mochizuki ITT damage controlling
Frick off, mong
barry has a small brown penis
You tendies said resident evil would die too
>new Bravely Default that actually continues the story they teased in Second never ever but for for real now
twas a good run i guess