Did FFXIII "kill" Final Fantasy?
Not in the sense that Final Fantasy is dead, it's still a big franchise that sells well, but in the sense that Final Fantasy XIII killed Final Fantasy as one of THE big player franchises in the video game industry and as this big global cultural phenomenon. Final Fantasy was this huge franchise in the public consciousness and then, after FFXIII, it just kind of... wasn't. FFXV and FFXVI have kind of gone off like wet farts, especially in comparison to what Final Fantasy used to be. It seems like From Software has completely stolen their crown in this regard. The launch of Elden Ring is what the launch of a Final Fantasy title used to be like.
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Also, I realize that there was a big release for FF7, but that only proves the point. Interest in Final Fantasy as a living franchise is dead, and they have to make nostalgia bait remakes to regain any significant interest from the public.
FFXV sold relatively well though
I didn't say that the games didn't sell well. FFXV had very little hype and no lasting cultural impact. It made all the cultural waves of a Ubisoft game mill title.
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The creator certainly thought everyone would be cooming to Lightning.
and the creator was right
Lightning has no ass. Hank Hill unironically has a bigger ass than Lightning.
the base model was never designed for outfits like that.
blame clipping
It's not like she needs it. She never sits down.
FFXIII has better combat than FF7R
Nah.
My recollection of FFXIII is that it was the "the game's just playing itself" game.
You recall correctly.
Correct, but it doesn't quite play itself as much as XII did
Why do people like XII? It's the only 3D one I skipped.
>They like Balthier and/or Fran
or
>They like Tactics and feel obliged to like the other Ivalice games
I mean, is there anything to the combat? XIII is shit but at some point it did open up a bit a give you more options for fights.
It uses a priority based tactics system that some players found as distasteful as an auto-battle because they really like pressing attack manually. Nevermind that XII gets difficult enough somewhere around the Golmore Jungle that relying exclusively on unmodified Gambits will result in a swift game over.
The political storyline with Vayne and Larsa, set beside the deific storyline of Venat's luciferian rebellion, was generally well written.
Of course this confuses conventional JRPGgays because you're not playing the main hero of the story at any point, just some human rebels who don't approve of the new rule of Hell.
Vayne was a crappy villain and Bahamut is a asspull to finish the game. Nothing happens after Feywood, plot jumps into the abyss.
Vayne might not have been a great villain, but he was a magnificent antagonist. Vayne had pretty much nothing to do with you beyond being a target of Ashe's fury, but he was the antichrist of his world and the bringer of the end of the gods.
Record a video killing most bosses with just Auto-Combat. People that use this "it plays by itself" argument are full in bad faith since 2009/2010.
Why do you act like XIII is hard along the critical path? Libra+Auto-Battle and the same three paradigms will get you through literally every single main path encounter in the game.
It's how I beat both XIII and XIII-2, and the only time I came even close to struggling was the final boss of XIII-2 but I think it was because by that point I was skipping every non-mandatory encounter because I wanted that shit game to end
midwit take
It could be argued, but what you can't argue is that the moment in which you could potentially consider that a possibility happens like 20-25 hours into the fricking game. FFXIII is not fun when you don't have 3 members in your party
>death cast
Sometimes not even then.
13 and 13-2 need to have their gameplay for battles changed to 13-3
Say what you want about this game (and I agree, don't fricking (you) me you homosexuals), but the battle theme is kino.
There's a lot of factors involved, honestly.
EX: FF also used to be a franchise that was heavily pushed and supported by nintendo and later sony, which makes sense since it was exclusive to them. Since FF became multiplat, it lost a lot of loyalty that came along with brand devotion, and people were less included to pick it up just because.
Development times also haven't been good for it. You can't pretend the shit you're thinking of started with XIII - XII was a huge black sheep as well, which pushes things back to X and X-2 where people were last "really enthused" about the non-MMO games. The time lag between entries has increased a frick of a lot since then, and when people don't have something from you to play, they'll go play something else, and maybe like that better.
Nah, XI did that. The change in paradigm of making an MMORPG put it into a very specific niche.
XII never had the same phenomenal popularity that X did to begin with. In its day people groaned that gambits made the game "play itself" and that its on field enemies weren't the random battles of their expectation. They found confusion and distaste in its politics-driven story where the playable cast was not the main actors or even particularly interesting people. Even now you can wade through plenty of internet arguments whether XII was an interesting avant-garde experience in nation-based storytelling or an utterly shit Star Wars ripoff with a femboy protag.
Yes, XIII was even more bizarre with its corridors and stilted auto-combat, but Final Fantasy's eternal devotion to remixing its composition had lost the "core audience" that consider IV~X to be the exclusive Final Fantasy experiences, and that all began at XI being a completely different game.
>was an interesting avant-garde experience in nation-based storytelling
it seemed like the tired old trope japan loves to do in games
>big empire
>big republic of democratic alliance
>tiny principality caught in the middle
agree with you on the XI though
I get what you're saying, but as a boomer who grew up with FF, XI blew my and all my friends mind. It was top FF for me. I definitely agree that XII is where it all went wrong.
While it's fine as a game on its own, it was such a huge departure. Not even just in gameplay, but in the world. FF has always had amazing, gorgeous, fantastical backdrops in their games. Everything in XII was a linear grey or brown hallway. It was so jarring and to this day still is. Play XII or IX then XII and it feels so incredibly stale and lifeless. Then there's also the fact that all the voice acting sounds so God damn stiff and like it was recorded from across a hallway. Fricking X has terrible voice actors but at least it sounds like they were in the same room as the mic.
>Play XII or IX then XII and it feels so incredibly stale and lifeless
Sorry, VII or IX***
No. At least not in the public conscious. XIII had detractors from the beginning, but it was overall well received by critics and had a following.
XIV was really what killed the series reputation. And you could fairly argue that the XIV debacle was the direct result of XIII's troubled development, but that still doesn't change that the perception of FF as a reliable blockbuster JRPG died with FFXIV's release.
>it was overall well received by critics
I mean, that was part of the problem though right? It got decent reviews so when people played it and found out it was actually shit they started questioning the journo's judgement
Nah, XII did that.
You weren't there. You don't understand the gigantic disappointment of going from X to XII. I think that killed about 90% of the excitement for the franchise. FFXIII was basically a Zombie Final Fantasy. Just like The Simpsons became Zombie Simpsons. I had no expectations going in and when I played that gigantic piece of shit I just said "Yep, this is Final Fantasy now. Absolute shit". So more like a confirmation of the death of FF.
The irony is that a mainline Ivalice title SHOULD have sold well and been critically acclaimed, considering the strength of the Tactics series. Feels like a no brainer but what a monkey paw that was
FFXII sold well and was critically acclaimed.
It's just the fanbase that is eternally divided upon it.
critics dont matter at all.
that game always had a luke warm reception that lacked the impact of FFX while not causing extreme asshurt like 13.
Is there any fanbase that has worse taste in video games than the Final Fantasy fanbase? FFXII was so far ahead of its time and so much better than FFX it's not even funny. How moronic are Final Fantasy fans that they genuinely hate the first truly great game that series has ever produced?
>How moronic are Final Fantasy fans that they genuinely hate the first truly great game that series has ever produced?
Newsflash, FFXII homosexual is a fake fan, has garbage taste and can't appreciate FFI~X
See this is the exact homie I was talking about in
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i would love to see a remaster of that trilogy.
FF13 was the last time people cared enough to be pissed off.
XIII was fine, not the best, but not the worst either. I think the spin-off games did a lot of damage to the brand though. It's okay to have spin-off titles when the game is universally beloved like VII or X, but XIII simply didn't need nor deserve 2 spin-off games before a new mainline game. But it wasn't until XV that the brand took irreperable damage by being objectively the worst mainline entry of all time.
I think it was FF12 where people just forgot about the franchise. Which is funny because the protagonist in that game is basically forgotten and irrelevant throughout the plot.
I do remember people talking about FF13 if only to hate on it. Final Fantasy was basically forgotten after that, though.
that was 12. it made no impact after 10 and ff13 tried to bring it back bc it was the first high def one on ps3 but square in general is bad at high def and graphics.
the visuals were not the problem with FF13. its a really good looking game.
i mean after ff13. ff13 is good visually for ps3 but ff15/16/sop/7r do not compare to the top visual games like rdr2, tlou2, cyberpunk etc. even some indie games like plaguetale
Extremely bright colorful cartoony art style almost like a disney cartoon, but with giant badass guns, giant boobs, huge asses, guys with giant muscles, and in space. I need to play another game like this but nothing like it exists. Ratchet and Clank is too furshit and half the series isn't even on PC.
>huge asses
See:
It was overhyped and massively underdelivered. The story was moronic and the gameplay and presentation felt antiquated.
XIII is better than XVI.
XVI is the worst final fantasy game.
Not single handedly. XII already had a lukewarm reception, XIII was a failure. Then, for some reason, they decided to double down on this failure by making two sequels. XV development was a complete shit show. And XVI was an uninspired bore.
What I'm saying is, dropping the ball once wasn't what killed the series, it's continuously failing to pick it back up.
No, FF7 did. It's been downhill ever since it went to Gaystation and that's an objective fact
Frick off, tendie.