Final Fantasy XIII

Why was it so hated?

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  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    It was unashamedly linear at a time when everyone was chasing open worlds. And the start of the game is geniunely bad - it takes far too long for the battle system to open up, and it's hours before you get 3-character parties.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is basically what I was going to post. The open world meme was just gaining steam around this time and no one wanted linear games. I too at the time hated the linearity of the game. When I went back and played it years later I didn't mind it was much because I was burnt out on open world shit.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      What about FFX? That was even more linear

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        All FF games are linear to a degree but FFX lets you revisit old areas and has new content to find in said areas (usually for the extra content for super bosses and the like) which is something most RPGs don't do.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Ffx was a fun game with cool characters and a neat power progression system, had a world with people who made it feel alive
        FFXIII had no interestesting characters, story, or plotline
        It felt like a hallway simulator, atleast with ffx you had plenty of moments that broke up the golden road to Zanarkand and expanded on the lore of the sites they visited, FFXIII just gave you a side alley every few zones with a loot chest

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      What? Hallways shooters were at their peak then and games were linear as frick. Xenoblade was revered specifically for not being a hallway simulator

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, that's the point. The open world meme had caught on, it was a sign of A Good Game if you did open world and weren't like all the crappy hallway shooters. Then FFXIII turned out to be the RPG equivalent.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          no it didn't, 13 released in 2009, the open world fad didn't start until the generation after with Skyrim leading the charge in 2012

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because it was a bad game.

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's a bad game. It should have had a male self-insert protagonist with Fang, Vanille, Lightning, and Serah in your harem. Then it would be acknowledged as one of the best FFs ever made. Very very sad

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Fatlus incel immediately thinks a game is shit if he can't date anyone in game.

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    The story manages to both start in the middle and take forever to get going. Defenders back in 2010 unironically pushed the "it gets good 30 hours in" excuse which just made people hate it more

  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because it's atrocious.

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    It came out at the peak of gaming journalism power, before gamer gate, and because journalists don't actually play games they thought the game was too restrictive because of the railroad start. The they told everybody to hate it and it stuck. Ironically, the same people came to love Sony's movie games who are even more railroaded. And speaking of Sony, FFXIII was the first mainline FF that wasn't exclusive to a Sony console in quite a while.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >And speaking of Sony, FFXIII was the first mainline FF that wasn't exclusive to a Sony console in quite a while.
      I bought it on 360. It was still shit.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >they told everyone to hate it
      This some delusion you tell yourself? It generally got quite positive reviews, it's the fans getting it in hand and actually playing that caused backlash when they realized it just wasn't good.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        lol it was universally panned by journalists and youtubers alike. Open world was the genre of the moment then.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous
          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Now show the rest

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              The rest of what? Metacritic gave it a 65 only for the PC ver no one played and still an 83/82 for PS3/360.

              I'm sure there are some that people jumped on the bandwagon once critique started ramping up, but the reality is this game just didn't click with fans. I didn't even watch any reviews for it because I got this shit game on release date and came to the exact same conclusions as most did. Too linear, poorly presented story, no variety in gameplay, no towns or exploration.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >the PC ver
                Shit doesn't even run properly without 3rd party patches

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                I played the first two chapters on Deck last month when I was sick and it ran fine. Probably will shit itself on Gran Pulse though

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >no variety in gameplay
                You have dozens of paradigm combinations across a lot of party members. That's more variety than every ff before
                >muh towns
                Do you really need a big ass place with a lot of npcs saying the same dialogue over and over just to go buy supplies?

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >You have dozens of paradigm combinations across a lot of party members. That's more variety than every ff before
                And how many of those unlock within the first 15 hours? You get to control a total of 1 character in battle and there's practically no choice in what skills or upgrades you learn through the crystarium because that too is linear.
                >Do you really need towns
                Yes. Doesn't exactly make you feel like you're traversing much of a world in an rpg without towns and cities. There were plenty of interesting things they could have do with them given that the group are wanted/outcasts. Instead they just ejected it altogether.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Have some fricking patience you ADHD riddled zoomers Jesus christ

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >You have dozens of paradigm combinations
                That's like bragging about how in other FFs you could have dozens of job compositions
                Except worse because you have to do it through that junky paradigm system

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >You have dozens of paradigm combinations across a lot of party members. That's more variety than every ff before
                Which paradigm makes it so you aren't spamming autobattle the whole time?

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                You can disable autobatle

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Why would you disable the default combat option? That's like disabling the ability to use physical attacks in any of the good ones

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Endgame optimal paradigms is com/com/com, rav/rav/rav, sab/sab/sab, etc...

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              It's a moot point because the person being replied to claimed it was "universally panned by critics" but the image has already demonstrated that to be false.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Watch, some homosexual is going to jump on that 7.9 as it being a failure lol

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Edge

            I miss them. They weren't afraid to shit all over games that everyone else was praising.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              I miss old Destructoid. They went from being the Anti-Kotaku to Kotaku 2.0.
              They're probably more Kotaku than current Kotaku is after the Nintendo situation.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            that 5/10 from Edge literally the only accurate score there. I think the fat troony Sterling went ham on it and Spoony too. Spoony even said FF13 was worse than FF8 and made a video apologizing for making hatting on FF8 go viral.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >lol it was universally panned by journalists and youtubers alike.

          100% false. It got great reviews from journalists, especially the Japanese gaming media.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >implying this isn't one of the games that made people distrust reviewers after it got stellar reviews

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      the game got good reviews and was shilled heavily by journalists moron

  7. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's a genuinely bad game, like they even fricked up the camera

  8. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    takes way too long to show you its redeeming features. Very mediocre game overall, but it only shows you its shit parts for the first 12 hours

  9. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    The battle system really feels like dogshit, like they took ordinary stuff you could do in previous games and made it "new" by for instance forcing your whole party to class change at the same time. Which just makes it annoying when you have to restart a fight just because you don't have the right paradigm configured.
    Also a lot of basic fights take way too long even when you're properly exploiting stun and chains.
    Even the battle menu feels sluggish, which sucks because this is one of the most active forms of ATB in the series and the AI fails at buffing/debuffing or using AOEs

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous
  10. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Linear. But I give it somewhat of a pass. It was not only the first FF on a next gen-platform but it was the first time in years that it was multi-plat. Also I played on 360 and I got a hardon knowing I was going to see the "please insert disc 2/3" message 🙂

  11. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    People shit on this game for being linear then go suck Final Fantasy X's dick.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      You know some of us have actually played both games
      How many hours does it take in FFXIII to reach a place as open as fricking Besaid village

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      because 10 is linerarity done well and 13 isn't

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        You know some of us have actually played both games
        How many hours does it take in FFXIII to reach a place as open as fricking Besaid village

        >it doesn't count
        lol

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I don't shit on XIII for being linear, I shit on it for it being shit. I don't shit on X for being linear or for being shit because, unlike XIII, X is actually a good video game.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because 7 and 10 were 'my first FF' for the overwhelming majority of Fgays, so they get a pass on everything

  12. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Media campaign to bash Jap games at the time. Idiots fell for it the same way they still criticise RE6 to this day.

  13. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    it was the first game of a new generation but instead of pushing the series foward it took 3 steps back at a time when the name FF still had people very hopeful

  14. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    X was also linear, the problem with 13 is the lack of towns, weapons and varied end game hub world

  15. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Are FFXIII "fans" actually the lowest on the entire FF hierarchy? They even make FF8gays look sane.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      14 is the bottom of the barrel
      then 15
      then 13

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        XIV has horrible fans but at least it's a good game. The other two don't even have that going for them.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don't consider MMOs to be part of the mainline series no matter how much Squenix pushes it
        Even FFT deserves to be mainline more than them. Even Seiken Densetsu 1 deserves to be mainline more than them.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          and Bravely Default

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Why dont they just make a new FF Tactics, the games great and could be best suited if they just remade it and and bundle the original on purchase

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            do you really want squenix to frick up fft? we're lucky we got war of the lions

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      XVI and XIV are the biggest homosexuals.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        says who?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        I wonder what thoughts went through P's head, as the big rough hands firmly gripped his in a handshake and the unmistakable aroma of male pheromones filled his nose, and the husky masculine voice rang in his ears.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >implying Yoshida didn't get an instant erection from touching the troony

  16. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    It does have the best aesthetic and is the peak of the ps3/x360 era comfy vibe.
    we need more of this frutiger-aero techno fantasy stuff

  17. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Final Fantasy stopped being good after X

  18. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    because 13 doesnt even feel like it starts for like 15 hours and it feels like you spend most of it in flashbacks and reading the in game wiki trying to understand what the frick is even happening
    morons try to deflect to ff 10 but in that game it an hour in and your adventure has already begun

  19. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    pokemon brainlets couldnt handle the RTC
    you had to be there during the outrage on release LMAO

  20. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >FFXIII gets good 30 hours in
    >This is unacceptable!
    >FFXIV gets good 100 hours in
    >This is completely acceptable for an mmo I love it!

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      XIII getting good X hours in is a meme. It's shit the whole way through

  21. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Bad game and final nail of the final fantasy series

  22. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's surprising there are so many FFXIII apologists here but not surprising that all their arguments are complete trash and outright lies
    You can tell they all voted for Joe Biden

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      crying is an argument, but you're free to keep doing it.

  23. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Unrealistic expectations (read: insane open-world boom), clashing with artistic vision.
    It's true that the game was chopped down and streamlined quite a bit thanks to it being downgraded from a PS3 exclusive into a 7th gen multiplat-shit (AKA: had to fit on as few Xbox DVDs as possible), which def hurt it.

    That being said, the art-directing is beautiful, OST gorgeous, the cast is one of the more memorable and likable groups to come out of FF, and they all go through real deal character development. The world's lore and the L'cie / Fal'Cie system is a neat twist on the old gods and Crystals thing.
    I'm also gonna be honest here: XIII has THE best ATB system.

    As a game, the sequels were better though.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >the art-directing is beautiful, OST gorgeous
      true
      >the cast is one of the more memorable and likable groups
      nah, it's an overall likeable group but i wouldn't rank them highly in the series
      >The world's lore and the L'cie / Fal'Cie system is a neat twist on the old gods and Crystals thing.
      i agree, never understood the complaints for the terms and lore.
      >I'm also gonna be honest here: XIII has THE best ATB system.
      hmm, this one is tough. XIII feels like a good foundation but the actual options you have are way too low for me and it gets repetitive quick. i think this is in part due to stagger and the paradigm roles. they are cool in concept but weren't executed well enough to prevent every fight from feeling too samey. (even 16 suffered from this with the stagger) XIII-2 improved it but still didn't satisfy me fully in that regard. i know X wasn't ATB but i wish 13 and 13-2 would've been able to match X in terms of abilities and stuff
      >As a game, the sequels were better though.
      absolutely

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >As a game the sequels were better
      >Having to explore the entire map to get the privilege to find macguffin #374 and travel to the same place 5 times
      >skill tree is utter dogshit as most classes dont work with just 2 people, and monsters make terrible anything other than healing
      Let's not even get started on the dogshit rushed game of 13-3, with no levelling system but you're forced to fight to abuse the time freeze system. Big fun

      Oh but I agree on the first game, it's wonderful in every, even before the 30 hour meme mark

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >13-3, with no levelling system but you're forced to fight to abuse the time freeze system. Big fun
        I hated everything about LR's time limit system. It's basically a masterclass on how not to copy Majora's Mask
        >Oh sweet a hallway shortcut to my next objective, this will save time
        >High level enemy spawns 1 foot away from me, instantly forcing an encounter
        >You need to spend an hour of in game time to run away from a fight
        >Lose an hour because the game is moronic

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Let's not even get started on the dogshit rushed game of 13-3, with no levelling system but you're forced to fight to abuse the time freeze system. Big fun

        That was ripped off from The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask. Most people liked that.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Except Zelda did it well and had good writing

  24. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Noel x Serah forever

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous
  25. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    because it was too kino

  26. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I never cared that it was linear, I hated it because everything on the linear path fricking sucked.

  27. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    People hated it for being a hallway simulator, but honestly I hate it more because I hate all the characters

  28. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't care one bit about gameplay in FF games. In terms of story, 13 is one of the most kino.

  29. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >/ss/
    Best final fantasy no question

  30. 5 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      nice reddit tier-list sister

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      XV and XVI should be C tier
      X and XIII-2 should be S tier

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        XIII-2 is only slightly better than XIII. It is still a shit game

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          you must have forgotten what they are like, it's a massive improvement

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's a structural improvement but the story and combat still suck ass, and the half-baked monster catching system is not a valid replacement for a third party member

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              >the story suck
              ontologically wrong, It's one of the best FF stories next to 7, 8 and 10

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >starts out by retconning XIII's ending
                >literally takes Homer's ideas for Poochie and applies them to Lightning
                >is a shitty time travel story outside of that
                It's shit. Also
                >Best FF story
                >VIII
                Explains the shit taste

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >8
                That sure as shit doesn't belong in a best stories list.

                what's it like, being moronic to the point of not understanding a plot like 8 or 13?

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >8
                That sure as shit doesn't belong in a best stories list.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                it's good once you internalize the community schizophrenia

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          XIII-2 is easily one of the best FF games

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Based FFXIII-2 enjoyer. I also probably put it in my top 3 FF games. It's such a good game and I hate that so few people gave it a chance.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              100%'d XIII once, never want to do that again and even just playing through it again makes me feel slight dread
              100%'d XIII-2 twice, look forward to doing it again
              100%'d LR once, don't really want to do that again but look forward for a non complete playthrough and mess around with the combat more

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >IX that high
      rat hands posted this

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        No worries. She will take care of it.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I would give that reddit gold

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      7R belongs in "FF13 Tier" to be honest. Despite the world hubs, most of the game is artificially stretched out FF13 corridors because they couldn't think of anything else to fill the world in but they still had to make Midgar its own game because """reasons""""

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        It has "towns" and NPCs plus a good core party so that alone puts it above FFXIII

  31. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Good art direction and music
    Bad story
    Mid everything else

  32. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    The game had no vision whatsoever. They made that demo video where Lightning was beating up soldiers in zero gravity and shit, then someone came along and told them to make a whole game out of that. A whole game out of what? It was a cutscene with damage numbers added in post. How were they supposed to build a turn based combat system that flowed like an action game cinematic cutscene? They dicked around too long and got their expensive prerendered cutscenes finished before they even had a story written, so they wrote a story around random set pieces which obviously couldn't turn out well. Then they hopped on the "games need to be movies" bandwagon and made the whole thing so mind-numbingly linear that there's not even towns or villages to do RPG things in. FF13 is a masterclass in how not to make a game.

  33. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you play it for an hour, you'll realize very quickly that the game makes you yearn for something--literally anything to break up the monotony, but it just never comes. You spend the entire game running in a straight line and fighting the same guys over and over.

    This game has a special place in my heart because of the visuals and music, and unlike a lot of people, I liked the story and didn't mind having to read the data logs to learn the lore of the world. But there are so many parts in this game that just drag ON and ON with nothing to break up the monotony, and it's very easy to get burnt out.

  34. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >nothing like previous FF games in terms of gameplay and options, stats, progression, equipment, etc. It's streamlined to an absurd degree to where the only customization options you have are your weapon and accessories, and the changes are negligible. Your characters only have two stats.
    >"Auto-Battle"
    >linear as a piece of string for the first 20 hours, no party choosing options, no sidequests, no minigames, nothing. You can't even level grind to get ahead of the curve because the game caps you
    >when you reach the end and finally have some freedom to explore, you can only return to two areas, and the only thing to do in one of them is fight random enemies you already fought, and the other is boring mark hunting
    >the campaign is basically a conveyor belt of enemies, cutscene, repeat
    >after plowing your way across said conveyor belt of enemies your reward is a pants-on-head moronic ending where the unmemorable villain somehow transforms himself into the being that for the last 15 hours of cutscenes you've been told you have to save to save the world, and then suddenly at the last second you decide to kill it, and essentially destroy the world you spent the entire game trying to save

    Take your pick.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      FFX let you build weapons from scratch and have them end up being almost on par with Ultimate Weapons
      FFXIII let you increase the numbers on weapons
      FFXVI let you increase the numbers on weapons
      what is it with modern games being so simplified?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Fang betrays the entire party right before the end
      >But they're fine for whatever reason
      >And then they all instantly forgive her and fight the final boss like it never happened
      What was the point?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        to be kino

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why did she try to attack Vanille? That part made as little sense as the scene in XVI where Joshua punches Clive in the face.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          I feel like dialog changes have to be to blame for that. Something has to have been lost in translation, that or literal schizos are writing these games.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Let me explain it.

        Fang was being repeatedly beaten and healed by the final boss over and over to get her to become ragnarok (she was the weak link).

        The crew eventually do become cie’th, forced by the boss to cause this to happen.

        (Side note: the fal’cie are near divine beings but are limited in what they can do. They’re basically powerful machines that have to obey their programming. That programming is typically keeping cocoon working. They can’t deny that programming but they setup a work around to get cocoon destroyed. They want to find their creator and rejoin it, but can’t since they’re bound to their programming.)

        Humans have the potential to excel as a l’cie to become far greater than the fal’cie, given enough will and dedication.

        What you see in the end is the crew breaking through this barrier and bringing themselves back from being cie’th. Vanille and fang then become ragnarok, but of their own volition, and use it to catch a falling cocoon (as its floating is entirely the product of the fal’cie)

        The game is done and humanity surpasses its stigma of pulse and removes the shackles of the “farm” that the fal’cie made

        Then ff13-2 fricked it up and had an awful metal song about Chocobos

  35. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    No one has made a single good argument who it isn't good yet.
    >linear
    FFX
    >too many cutscenes
    Sony games, Kojima games, Yakuza
    >we can't use all party members off the bat
    Persona 5 takes 70 hours to gather all party members
    >story is bad
    And yet people live FFVII which is coincidences the game
    >no towns
    That's the nature of the game, they were literally on the run from the whole world
    >Lightning is sticc
    No everybody is a Black person ass lover

    Yet despite the hate FFXIII series was successful enough to keep SE's lights on when your golden boy FFXIV almost killed the studio.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Have you noticed that all the 13 hatred is exactly what led to Forspoken? That game is the complete opposite of 13, it used every single one of the criticisms people had against 13. Faster combat, giant world, thick lead, attempts to make the story more direct and ha ha funny, etc. People who hated 13 really just need to face the music: their taste is shit and Forspoken demonstrates that.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Nah, Forspoken was just FFXV remade for western audiences.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          FFXV was the western game for western audiences, nobody else would tolerate a game about 4 gays

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Forspoken sucked because the story was trash, the protagonist was obnoxious, and the world design was bland.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          and the gameplay sucked because it was the FFXV team that did the gameplay and it shows

          Have you noticed that all the 13 hatred is exactly what led to Forspoken? That game is the complete opposite of 13, it used every single one of the criticisms people had against 13. Faster combat, giant world, thick lead, attempts to make the story more direct and ha ha funny, etc. People who hated 13 really just need to face the music: their taste is shit and Forspoken demonstrates that.

          >Have you noticed that all the 13 hatred is exactly what led to FF15?
          fixed

  36. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Art was too beautiful. This made the Ugly seethe. Many such cases with JP-KINO

  37. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    geeks really try to find holes in the plot of 13 like atheists trying to find holes in the plot of the bible. I can't imagine being that mentally degraded.

  38. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >hating on FFXIII
    HI, Reddit

  39. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Why was it so hated?
    Boring setting, most of the characters were pretty shit with the sole exception being Sazh, literally the "it gets good 20 hours in" meme, plot is the same dull rehash as every other FF without any of the likeable characters, and no Hope/Lightning /ss/.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      How are the plots dull exactly? I think they're some of the most sophisticated stories put through video games as a medium.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I think they're some of the most sophisticated stories put through video games as a medium.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why? Let’s hear the other side for once. What makes the story so good?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          I like the theological parallelism, it's use of setting tropes, and it's use of character archetypes.

  40. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    The first half fully railroads you, worse than FFX did. There are no secrets to find, no places to explore. It's literally just a hallway simulator.
    Then you get to the second half and you're presented with this big, open field to explore, but not only is there nothing interesting in said field, if you enter any of the sub-areas, you're back into the hallways once again.
    Gameplay issues aside, the story isn't interesting, the characters are all either obnoxious or have so little personality you forget they're even there and the entire concept behind the final boss is stupid.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      FFX would've been bad too if it jerked you around as much as FFXIII does
      Ensemble casts aren't necessarily bad but I could have sworn FFVI did it much more elegantly

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        What do you mean? If you refuse to move forward in FFX the story won't progress, same as FFXIII.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          wtf???? if you refuse to do something in a video game, it can't progress? Holy SHIT you fricking genius
          what the frick is wrong with you

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Then what's with your comment? How does FFXIII jerk you around? You're simply progressing the story.

  41. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    It had really high expectations after 12 felt like a departure for people at the time. Only to know 13 would follow that trend. It also was the first multiplat mainline game in the franchise, thus that pissing sony fans off, thinking the Xbox was 'stealing' Final Fantasy from them. then the game releases and people were very quick to point out its flaws. And the fact that 13 got two sequels only fueled the flames of hatred for 13 more.
    But honestly, despite its flaws, I still enjoyed it. Graphics still hold up very well, the OST is great, and pardigm system was a nice concept.

  42. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    FFXIIIgays are mentally ill

  43. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because it was shit

  44. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    It’s always fascinating to see just how many low IQ mouth breathers were filtered by this game.

  45. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    It’s FFX with a slightly worse combat system.

  46. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's kind of incredible how post-Squenixmerger FFs universally manage to be totally forgettable despite the sales being higher than ever
    No wonder they had to resort to FF7 Rebuild

  47. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just finished it recently. No nostalgia for it or final fantasy as I played both as an adult. Played 1-14.
    Don't have a single positive thing to say about 13 save for Sahz being neat. It contributed nothing of value and was a total fricking mess by every angle that matters, gameplay and story.
    Never hated character writing more in a video game.
    Music was OK I suppose. But it didn't wow me like other FFs have.
    8 is no longer my least favourite Final Fantasy.

  48. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because they don't want to accept all mighty Eclaire as their Goddess

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Lightning... like an inexhaustible crystal...shines through eternity...

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        my waifu

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Simply stunning.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        no underwear, just armor
        jesus

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Changed from big overworld maps to linear corridors
      >Replaced usual turned based combat
      >Gameplay was Press X to Win on all but a handful of bosses
      >LITERALLY had a button to make the game play itself in combat
      >Endgame 'overworld' is just a few big empty fields strung together
      Strawberry Cloud is a cute tsundere though, pretty much the only good thing about the entire game.

      I will never get used to her emaciated legs

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I will never get used to her emaciated legs

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >my penis is small and cannot penetrate
          It's easier to just be honest, anon

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I will never get used to her emaciated legs

        >character named Lightning
        >doesn't have thunder thighs

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >her hair is pink instead of blond

  49. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Changed from big overworld maps to linear corridors
    >Replaced usual turned based combat
    >Gameplay was Press X to Win on all but a handful of bosses
    >LITERALLY had a button to make the game play itself in combat
    >Endgame 'overworld' is just a few big empty fields strung together
    Strawberry Cloud is a cute tsundere though, pretty much the only good thing about the entire game.

  50. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    L'Éclair.
    Serah.
    Vanille.
    Fang.
    Lumina.
    Chocolina.
    Lebreau.
    Nora.
    Alyssa.
    Jihl.
    Yeul.
    What's their main theme? That's right - "Prelude" from Final Fantasy XIII, because it's only the beginning for them. The last beacon of hope for us - Claire and the XIII girls - will return surrounded by rose petals swirling around them in the brand new Final Fantasy XIII Remake, featuring:
    1) Tons of minigames, including sheep raising minigame, XIII's version of Tetra Master and more.
    2) Fully explorable Cocoon with tons of side activities, all tied to the storyline.
    3) Fully explorable Pulse with tons of side activities, all tied to the storyline.
    4) Airship to explore the wast and rich open worlds of the game.
    5) Rewritten scenario with additional developments for the main cast as well as for Cid, Yaag, Jihl, Dysley and other Fal'Cie to enrich their motivations.
    6) Modern and complex action/rpg combat system. Something akin to FFVIIR, but better in every aspect possible.
    7) Non-linear progression system (Crystarium).
    8) Photomode with tons of filters and options to take the best pictures of Claire and Vanille ever!
    9) Lore properly introduced through world exploration and the main story events. This applies especially to the introduction of Etro and other gods into the story. No more vague Codex paragraphs to understand the context of events.
    10) Over 100+ hours of nonrepetitive gameplay.
    11) A comprehensible story that is faithful to the themes of the original.
    12) Chocolina DLC as an arcade style rail shooter.

    THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE WANT!
    RIGHT NOW!!!
    I SAID NOW!!!

    Their story begins when Myth(os) ends...

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      You lost me with 6. I absolutely hated the remake's battle system. It had no weight to it, no satisfaction for dealing combos.

  51. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Linear
    Confusing plot
    Unlikeable characters
    Hard to grasp gameplay

    and yet still better than 15

  52. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    FFXIII-4RE FRICKING WHEN? FFXIII REMAKE FRICKING WHEN

  53. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Even compared to FFX, XIII was extremely linear as hell.
    There was no towns.
    There was no minigames.
    There was nothing to break up the monotony of battle->cutscene->walking sim->battle repeat
    The cast was completely insufferable, worst than FF8 and that is a tall freaking order

    But mostly importantly of all, it set a bad example for future RPGs. A lot of JRPGs tend to follow Final Fantasy trends, and you get a lot of good games from it. FFXIII was the first big JRPG of the generation and it straight up ended the genre right there until Persona 5 and Dragon Quest XI came out 7 years and a whole console generation later.
    It may not be the worst RPG ever, but the damage it did was forever irreversible.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Except it was good and this obsession with old concepts is nostalgia and fear of change speaking.

  54. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    The game is a fricking visual novel with horrible characters (specially snow who's a complete moron), the game only sold well because it had the FF name on it otherwise it would have been another rpg maker game with 5 downloads from the creator's cousin. After the failure that the other 2 sequels represented to SE they had to push their entire resources in trying to fix FFV13 (FFXV) which ended up being even worst. In conclusion this trash ruined the entire franchise to the point we are now dealing with a ff7 remake

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Bizarre post tbh. XIII-trilogy was a huge financial success. Cost almost nothing to make the sequels.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >cost nothing to make the sequels
        well it kinda buried the franchise when they locked the series in the 13 trilogy for about a decade so I would say it probably cost them quite a lot by alienating old and potential new fans over that period of time

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >FF13 released in 2009
          >FF15 released in 2016
          >FF16 released in 2023
          All of the above mainline games were released with a 7-year gap

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Geez, maybe it's because I was young back then, but it feels like longer than it really is, I guess time just flies when you're older

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          ?
          They needed fast cash because XIV was a massive loss at launch. XIII trilogy was a corporate call and did exactly what it needed to do.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >2009
          >2011
          >2013

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          ff13-1 and ff13-2 were okay. they went too far with ff13-3 and it overstayed its welcome

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            all 3 of them were shit

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            The monster taming feature in ff13-2 is my favorite, I hope SE will include it in future FF games, capturing enemy monsters and using them as allies will never get old.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      You can say that pretty much about any FF game with exception of maybe 4 and 6.

  55. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    aah the FF cycle, never fails.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      No. I refuse to let these cretins try and claim XIII is better than anything, even XV

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        XIII at least had a complete story at launch
        Not even XV had that

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          I still found XV to be the more enjoyable experience, even at launch, if only because the party dynamic is so much better in XV than in XIII (where every party member sucks)

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >FFXV
            >party dynamic

            >chef guy
            >main character (has no personality or character)
            >gay kid that takes photos (secretly a clone or something that means nothing)
            >tall guy (has no character other than being tall)

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          It had a middle and an ending but not a beginning. That's why even after beating the game you still know nothing about the protagonists or the bad guys or anybody really.

  56. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >start game
    >linear as frick
    >battle system takes hours to unfrick itself into something good (and the battle system is actually good)
    >lightning acts like a chuuni while everyone else acts at least sort of normal (mostly Hope and the Richard Pryor guy)

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I liked Hope and Lightning relationship. A shame Toriyama got triggered and stopped developing it and he even made Hope a kid again so he never flirts with Lightning again
      Also FFXIII is still shit. A shame since 13-2 and LR really improve A LOT but most people will get filtered by the first game

  57. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    As someone who does not care about "traditional FF game design" and am only interested in dressing up and playing as a cute girl, how good is Lightning Returns?

  58. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Linear game, absolutely no exploration, completely on-rails. And no, I don't want every game to be open world, I don't even like open world games. The game is literally narrow hallways with no side routes or places to explore at all until gran pulse.
    The gameplay itself is horrendously linear too. The game obviously wanted to be more than a movie than a game, and the story and characters were horrible so it wasn't even good at that.

    It was a genuine and complete shit game inside and out.

  59. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I miss Final Fantasy Versus XIII

  60. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Final Fantasy XIII should've been delayed to December 2010.
    Final Fantasy XIV v1.0 (Hiromichi Tanaka) should've been delayed to December 2011.
    Toriyama, Kitase, Nojima, and the rest of the staff that worked on FF13 should've joined the Versus XIII project and team back in January 2011 therefore,
    Final Fantasy Versus XIII should've been released around January 2014 on the PS3 with the PS4 port in late 2014.

  61. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    have you played it? you'll understand

  62. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    here's you map bro
    Gaijin con't comprehend this design apparently according to the devs

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      it's worse than ffx

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        that's a good thing since ffx is the best final fantasy game

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        the frick is wrong with you people, how can you say 13 is a good game. it's genuinely a bad game. Played it for the first time a month ago and I forced myself to beat it.
        Art direction, OST, plot, all suck shit. Somehow they managed to streamline an already streamlined genre and somehow it ended up being tedious as shit. falsie, galsie, dalsie, nomenclature a shit too

        >what about X
        not an argument.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Art direction, OST, plot, all suck shit.
          Shit taste

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's a bland orchestral soundtrack with the worst battle theme in the series. The art is over-designed and uninspired trash. It looks like a bad knockoff of their own franchise. Pure stagnation.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      So much more but that’s a good start.

  63. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    People who dislike FF13 just give off crazy closeted trans vibes to me. Like I’ve had to deal with trannies before because I work in a creative field littered with them and people who dislike FF13 have similar tones and mannerisms to them to an insane level.

  64. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    it unironically gets good after 20 hours
    morons at the time had no attention spans and its only gotten worse since

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      You are not wrong but "it gets good after 20 hours" is a valid reason to just say a game is bad. I played FF13 when I was a no job no extra curriculars teenager; if it came out today there's no chance I'd play it. I'm not wasting 20 hours on a game waiting for it to finally get fun.

  65. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    When people tell you this game is good they go "It gets so cool 25 hours in".
    That should be reason enough even without anything else.

    The game is also not just linear like people say, it is completely devoid of exploration.
    FFX was extremely linear and even that game has plenty of explorable stuff and secrets to find everywhere, but XIII absolutely does not.
    The part where you run around the overworld is completely pointless, if they just teleported you to the next fight over you would lose nothing.
    It's extremely low effort in that regard.

  66. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Lightning is BUILT for Noctis

  67. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Played through the trilogy a few months ago.
    I didn't hate them as many others do, but I wouldn't say the trilogy is worth replaying.
    XIII suffers from an unlikeable cast for the most part, playing in Japanese doesn't help either.
    Gran Pulse should be available during midgame as a good point to do hunts and not when the game is basically over.
    Crystarium should've never been locked by progression, upgrading weapons is a grind because you don't know which base weapon is gonna have the best stats when fully upgraded and you have to wiki that shit.
    Ending shows a potential in a sequel where now the party can explore pulse fully, which leads to:
    XIII-2 has basically none of that and they went with a fricking time travel plot instead and the villain is a literal who if you didn't read the XIII's ingame wiki previously.
    Gameplay was somehow improved but the monster mechanic was badly implemented, creatures not leveling like your characters blocks any experimentation to choose the best creature for you, instead I had the same 3 monsters until endgame because grinding for level mats is a b***h.
    Getting the 'true' ending is a frick you to the player who wasted all that time completing shit just for an additional 10s of new cutscene, fricking lucky coin b***h ass shit.
    XIII-3 goes off rails with the plot even more, but the gameplay itself was ok, the time mechanic is badly implemented and if you're smart you get 6 free days of doing jack shit because you did most of the main quests + side quests which extended the days you have left more.
    There is ng+ which introduces new weapons/equipment but ng+ itself is worthless if you can do all the content in ng, that counts even the genociding all of the 75? monster types.
    You kill the homosexual god at the end and end up on Earth, the end for the trilogy.

  68. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    The same 2-3 xiii-2 cultists infesting every xiii thread makes me irrationally upset

  69. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >engrossing story
    >believable conflict
    >likable characters

    Then

    >fang and vanille
    >endless slog padding
    >abysmal drop rates that japs seem obsessed with

    Could have been perfect, ended up being just good. I enjoyed it and platinumed it, but it has major problems.

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