How did it succeed so completely in spite of all expectations? Is this the power of XIV and Yoshi-P?
(Especially after XV's shitshow)
FINAL FANTASY XVI
How did it succeed so completely in spite of all expectations? Is this the power of XIV and Yoshi-P?
(Especially after XV's shitshow)
By making it a PS exclusive and catering to the absolute lowest common denominator.
its amazing and feels more like what 15 should have felt like
literal who
Did you get bored of spamming /ffg/?
shipped
I see a lot of 5s there that doesn't sound very good
Even IF Hampsterson's right on this one, he sounds like a massive homosexual, but that's just being Canadian so LOL
Typhon fight was bussin fr
I was disappointed that the second phase wasn't the classic Typhon
That is Mr Chupon
It's 2023 now Mr. Woolsey, wait until you find out we don't call it FF3 anymore either.
I think what really impressed me was that the eikon fights weren't PURE spectacle gimme fights. They still aren't hard, but there's more to your options and the opponents have surprisingly varied movepools that expand as the fight goes on. Like I said, still easy, but you could conceivably still frick up and lose and they're way more engaging mechanically than I expected them to be. Really nice surprise..
Because it is an amazing game. 🙂
She looks like she is a secret serial killer and a cannibal.
That's Western games rotting your brain.
at least then she'd have a character
Where the frick are her breasts?
Why is SE afraid to give their girls big booba again?
SE isn't. You're just playing the wrong game.
Nice wax statue with no personality you got there.
>ign brasil
wtf
COME TITAN
GRRRRRRUUUUH
>it’s bad because.. i-it just is ok!
He listed why its bad
>He listed why its bad
Yes but hampsteron thinks every writer doesn't write "coincidence" into their plot it's why he's a terrible fricking writer.
Metro is featuring posts like this because they’re mad FFXVI has no Black folk. Are you on Metro’s side on this issue?
>the SJWs don’t you want you to eat that pile of shit over there…
>are you gonna take that?!
kys shill, no one is dumb enough to fall for oppositional defiance marketing.
Yes, I don’t care about race.
>I'm glad it's not doing well
These people aren't so different from Ganker posters. They're guilty as frick of confirmation bias provided to them by the bubbles they hang out in where everyone is already of a set mentality. Despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary of their opinions, they only see their own repeated across their echo chamber and delude themselves into believing that because their circle of users thinks that way, the same opinion must be shared in the outside world. Even when presented with those sharing opposing opinions, no matter the number, they label them as part of the minority population they made up in their heads. Ganker does the same fricking thing, just with the only difference being that EVERY game is a flop to them ever since TORtanic got them addicted to failure.
>since TORtanic got them addicted to failure.
Dude most Ganker posters haven't even been here long enough to have been around for TORtanic. We've just been inundated by third worlders addicted to their brand of choice flinging console war bullshit everywhere. Sit around in these threads and you'll see nothing but "FRICKING TENDIES SHITTING ON OUR GAME HOW DARE THEY FRICK TOTK"
The obsession with failure happened long before the tourists took over. It's part of what made their flooding of the board so easy. Sure, the reality is that is was only a few select autistic morons who needed another fix so badly that they wouldn't stop making threads but it made for prime real estate for /misc/ cucks to latch on and join in.
I heard /misc/ is living in your walls too
You’re overthinking things, lad. The simplest answer is more often then not the correct one MMO Devs = MMO Quality = Do Not Play
>everyone agrees the game is a flop except a small group of people who are heavily biased towards the game
>everyone else is in a bubble
kek
Why should I be sad that a shit game from a shit company is doing bad?
I like the sounds Clive makes when using Titan’s Eikoj abilities. He’s so fricking sexy bros.
He's even sexier as Ifrit
We need more Rule 34 of Eikons doing the monster mash. Gimme Ifrit and Shiva steaming things up, or Titan plowing Garuda.
So, who is the Barrylite?
It seem that every new FF spawn one defending their shitty games.
Larry is the name for now.
The Eikons are making him stupid.
Why do some people on Ganker want every game to flop?
Replaying it and I just realized Clive was contemplating suicide when he stood on that bridge over the river during the "save Gave" mission. God damn.
?t=200
Even king normie is shitting on the level design.
?t=241
"But the game I still think is really fun"
Man you can't even find someone to agree with you as much as you want.
FFXVI won
Clive won
Yoshida won
It's time to accept the truth.
can someone edit this to where it cuts to the smiling clive face with 3 million sold after he accepts the truth
>3 million "shipped"
>bu bu bu that means they sold that many to the retailer
and the retailer won't fricking ORDER MORE IF THEY AREN'T SELLING THEM moronS
The only fantasy here is yours
Sold. Not shipped.
Why do you keep trying to push this narrative?
It'll probably be 6 million by next month so what cope will you come up with then?
the 18 month plan is finally releasing it on pc so it won't have to run at 720p to reach 60fps with frame drops
It dropped 90% from this, kek
Dishonest. Nothing is selling in japan anymore unless it's for the switch or phones.
Sick cope, MMO troon
I don;t play any MMOs period, but nice job showing your hand. No reason to argue with someone with a clear bias.
Its been stalled at 3 million shipped since 6/28.
meant to respond to this post.
>UK Trannies seething over FFXVI's massive success
Not surprised
Hilarious, even the fricking fan art for this flop looks like shit.
>He's still using numbers from the first 2 days of sales
kek
>moron doesn't know the difference between long term and short term sales
Lmao this shitty dmc clone isn't going to sell like botw.
They're only going to get a moderate amount of sales from idiots when it releases on pc because it's going to release on empress less than a month later.
You know Yoshida intentionally tried to market the game in the UK as hard as he could, right? You are aware they had plenty of events held in the literal Tower of London pre-release to build up hype.
This is a massive disaster, Larry.
God Joshua is the most based FF character since Delita
What success? FF16 is selling worse than every AAA FF
Some facts for you sweaty
Your world is but a fantasy
FFXVI won.
I already posted this, and it had a massive drop in every region since then. It’s over the game flopped.
Imagine having the same trajectory as Flopspoken.
https://exputer.com/news/games/forspoken-playstation-5-best-seller/
>still hasn’t sold a single copy since 3 million since 6/26
>doesn’t realize how bad that looks for FFXVI
Which game do you think cost more to produce? kek
https://www.eurogamer.net/tomb-raider-has-sold-3-4-million-copies-failed-to-hit-expectations
>still hasn’t sold a single copy since the 3 million shipped 6/28
hasn’t sold a single copy since 3 million since 6/26
Actual moron.
>typo cope
I already corrected it, moron. Try again.
They even specify sold, whereas with other games it's "shipped and sold"
No you're a moron, how the frick hasn't it sold a single copy when it sold over 30k last week in gacha virgin land?
>Doesn’t know how retail works
Are you legitimately moronic or just pretending?
>still insisting its retail even when proven wrong
This is why you get no b***hes
Square-Enix was so moronic about Eidos. I felt bad for them
>Random Twitter account
>Facts
Bro he's using the first weekend numbers as "6 days" as if not a single additional copy was sold days 3-6. Stop pretending to be moronic
Some facts and statistics for comparison!
>FF 15 is an awful game
>FF 16 is a good game
Both are shit.
16 is worse than 15
>16 is worse than 15
15 and 8 remain the worst FFs and that's including 13.
shipped not sold
also its physical shipped+ digital sold
digital is around 50% now so that makes ff16 sold 1.5m digitally and they shipped 1.5m physical and LESS than 1.5m sold physically since a large amount of that shipment is still on shelves
So FF16 really only sold 2 million something
>shipped not sold
it is coping ?
>source: my ass and a guy on twitter
>Number one complaint about the game is that it's not on PC
its over barry
is it worth switching to Japanese audio in New Game Plus?
Sure, why not? The English performance is great but it's worth hearing other actors' contributions.
No. Listen to it in Spanish.
>the whole bahamuth fight
Holy shit
literally felt like Symphogear
Which is why it was so awesome
Good but lackluster compared to the Titan boss.
Even with OST alone the Titan one surpass it
Barnabas was better.
Ya think? Titans theme wasn't that memorable to me but the bahamut one gives me shivers. Especially like the part when the strings kick in
?t=183
I preferred fighting a overwhelmingly huge enemy with the perfect final phase.
And all the destruction made you feel way more powerful, the fusion form was good but you barely feel the destructive power because you fight in space.
As beautiful as it was, I couldn’t enjoy it, since at the back of my head I knew that after it was over, I’d have to go back to doing sleep inducing fetch quests for the next ten hours. All the nonsense involving Mid and her shitty fetch quests pretty much killed all of my hype after the Titan fight, and it was the same with Bahamaut. FF16 feels like two different games. One being a top tier cinematic action kino with gorgeous visuals, the other, a single player MMO made by complete hacks.
Here anon, I got this thing for you
(picks a (You) from a menu and hits Confirm)
I liked it overall, but the 'two different games' bit is bang on accurate.
The final wave of quests where you get the pay off scenes are good, but so much of the stuff that comes before it is unnecessary as frick, would rather they slashed it to the '+' quests and the final round of sidequests, everything else could be cut and nothing of value would be lost.
Big exaggerations here. The big fetch quest part of the main story takes all of maybe half an hour to do? (The mid missions) and if you think doing every single side mission ruins the pacing for you, then just wait to do them until after you finish?
It's crazy to me that people would think anything but the MMO side quest design and that same kind of quest being in the main quest is the worst part of the game. I'm not saying the game is perfect otherwise, but while I don't think the story is perfect, I think there are some missteps with the combat, absolutely nothing in the game approaches the level of shit that is some of the quest design.
I genuinely cannot understand in what way do you guys think that the Bahamut fight is superior to the Titan one.
Fighting a gargantuan boss with his own arm and a high speed kick is way superior than shooting lasers in space.
Bahamut was prettier overall but the Titan one made you feel like David against Goliath
not one of the anons you're replying to, but for me the Bahamut one is superior because of the 2-on-1 aspect with Clive and Joshua joining forces, that just made it feel more epic to me, I gladly agree both were excellent though and in particular Titan had better music
Titan just had me creasing up from the Sanic portion to the bit where they fall for about 15 minutes.
I had more fun in the first Titan battle at Rosaria though, that was great.
How the hell weren't you hyped by that phase? (and the phase before too).
Their OST were perfect.
That sounds like shit.
Am I the only one who was heavily disappointed by the Bahamut fight?
Even after the 2nd phase, the titan one was peak boss for me.
>Am I the only one who was heavily disappointed by the Bahamut fight?
yes
Yes. Bahamut was objectively the best eikon fight in the game.
who are the party members in this game?
the dog, jill, cid...?
them and Gav, Otto, Mid, and Cloud (collector's edition only)
there's really an FF16 character named Mid?
talk about self-awareness
>Admits he didn't play the game
why would I wanna play DMC6? I'm a Final Fantasy fan
What was the last 2 mainline releases in a row that had the same combat system?
>I'm a Final Fantasy fan
>doesn't know who Mid is
Should I?
>>
I'm not gonna spoonfeed you, nice job outing yourself however
>literally who from the most literally who Final Fantasies
Yeah, I think I'm still the chad here for not knowing
at least just say you are a Nomura fan, not a Final Fantasy fan. honesty is key.
He's not even a final fantasy fan. One would atleast play the game, there's always been way more to FF than just the combat.
Actually I've seen the reviews and there's nothing else. There's a pisspoor story, and MMO sidequests. Apparently there's no levity so I assume no minigames either
>Apparently there's no levity
Where'd you find that picture of yourself and how is this relevant to FF16?
>Seen the reviews
No, I mean the real reviews, not the journo shill ones
You got BTFO fake fan.
>outed as fake fan
fuuuuuck, I'll never get a gf now
I don't even remember him from XII and I finished that game last year.
FF12's Mid is Balthier.
It's Balthier, his middle name is Mid
It's someone's middle name that is never used by that person because he doesn't even like his dad
Wasn't it even mentioned via dialogue? The game's story became such a mess after the prison escape I can only certain cutscenes.
I think they give his full name once and that's it.
It's written as Mied but iirc it comes up when you find his father is Cid and his actual name is Ffamfran
Yes
there are none
the ending is poo
The Hideaway is making him stupid
They were angry because he said the truth
I just hate how the best fight is Titan, the best music is Titan, and the best kino is Hugo Kucka. Bahamut is just generic orchestra music. The irony is that The Primals a band for FFXIV are the ones who did the song. If any fight is worth replaying it's Titan's. Too bad this game gives you tutorial screens all game long.
Just play Arcade Mode with the cutscenes on
>the best fight is Titan, the best music is Titan
but enough about FF14
Haha lmao omg dude the way you used this meme and applied it to the discussion we're currently having here is fricking awesome and you win the internet today. It's still so funny every time I see it. It literally never gets old.
The ending still hurts bros
>all those literal whos and BRs
lmao how fricking embarrassing
anyway the game is a 7/10 at most
I agree the story is shit, but wasn't this mongoloid moron drunk for most of his playthrough?
Obsessed. You can't even operate objectively, you are like an over emotional woman or manchild.
>has to project that I'm some crying sony cultist when I'm a pcgay.
Once again, showing your true colors and childlike brand tribalism.
>half the threads are calling it the best game ever
>the other half are calling it the worst
you Black folk need to grow the frick up. is this what it was like for FF7R?
Half the people haven't played it. But yes,it's generally like this for every new game release nowadays.
What is it about Nintendo that makes these morons pussy out and write like this but have no trouble saying the things he's saying about XVI
https://twitter.com/jph_anderson/status/1659556848775704578
You aren't getting GOTY, schizo.
Reminder that current estimates have FFXVI sales now North of 7m. Keep seething, morons
>shipped 3 million in a week
>2 weeks later…
crickets
are they under some obligation to give weekly updates? is there anyone else who does that?
The are obligated their shareholders to announce milestones so they don’t sell their shares.
Coincidentally the stock price has been plummeting since the game came out.
>They are obligated to their shareholders to announce milestones so they don’t sell their shares.
which company gives weekly sales updates for their games?
It verifiably hasn’t sold another 1 million copies in almost 2 weeks. It not what they say, its what they aren’t saying.
so which company puts out press rereleases for every million copies sold? can you show me an example of a publisher doing this?
You are severely mentally ill. Seek psychiatric assistance.
Cry more. If they could brag about hitting another milestone of units shipped they would have already. It’s been 12 days and the sales have dropped off a cliff in every region.
I guess the VII Remake only sold 3.5 million units total.....it's so fricking ogre......
>KHIII sold 7 million
Feels good when your franchise is, almost, guaranteed to continue. Only Disney going full moron can frick us over.
>just consume more product
Games are fun, maybe you should reduce your shitposting hours and play more.
>maybe you should reduce your shitposting hours
says the man in a Final Fantasy thread jerking himself off to Kingdom Hearts sales numbers (he's not a shareholder)
It's okay, I am waging
KH's stories might have gotten way worse since DD but the games are still fun. The Toy Story world in KH3 has more exploration than the entirety of FF16. If you asked me which I'd rather replay out of KH3 vs FF16, KH3 would absolutely win.
>KH3 would absolutely win.
Now that's some shit taste. Enjoy your pooh bear and elsa kiddo.
FFXVI is basically edgy KH, just switch the shitpost about the heart for the will and it just werks.
However Clive has to earn being likeable while Sora is pure charisma even if he's moronic.
FF16 is just KH but easier with no level design and stagger bullshit.
>KH but easier with no level design
preFM kh2. the worst kind of KH.
You made the cult upset
Except everyone laughs at you
Dont you get tired of getting btfo in every single thread and facet of life?
You are simping for a $75 17 hour cutscene. Products aren’t pussy, the biggest difference in your case is you can actually pay someone to give you a product.
>implying im gonna pay for videogames
Where do you think you are, my spergy friend?
You paid for this shit if you are actually dumb enough to have played it.
I didnt, im just here to mess with your easy-to-mess with pudgy neckbeard ass
Sounds like your projecting again moron.
If you had an actual brain you wouldnt be in these threads desperately trying to convince people that a game failed, because that is totally what a healthy and mentally sound person does
We should make this a banner, I don't know why so many people doompost.
It actually looks good in US. God of war bundle and ff16 are bought together
2 weeks apart, no difference.
So what is “no difference” here? Review number? Most people don’t bother leave review for games except some crazy fans.
>tumbling down…
keyed
green for the month
.17¢
Thats for the day.
Notice the color of the graph compared to this one.
>44% were shipped to retailers
So in reality only 1,680,000 copies were actually sold, digitally because no one buys physical copies.
that's probably like, more than the amount of PS5s that left shelves
I think the story is fine, but he has right about it being moronic that Joshua made no effort to contact Clive, and for that matter, actively avoided him. When they do bump into each other at last it's by pure chance and it plays out like they had been waiting to re-unite for so long but couldn't, which is true from Clive's perspective, but I don't see why Joshua couldn't have made contact with Clive. I've seen people say it's because he feared Clive would turn into Ifrit and lose control again, but even if you're to assume that's why, and you do have to assume, I don't see why Clive would have never asked Joshua why he never tried to get in touch once.
Do people actually think FF16 isn't gonna sell gorillions? There's like nothing else on PS5 and those PS5s are gonna sell like crazy this Christmas
Now, that doesn't mean FF16 is a good game. But it's going to sell
> There's like nothing else on PS5
Why would kids get FFXVI over Spider-man? Or some other mutliplat shit like Avatar Far Cry? FF16 is basically just shit with next to zero redeeming qualities. Sub-par gameplay and a story that one could call mediocre if they want to be generous. Only thing remotely entertaining things are the pretty spectacle light shows you get every once in a while, even if it completely runs against the game's attempt at a more serious tone.
> and those PS5s are gonna sell like crazy this Christmas
Yeah and parents who buy games for their kids are probably not going to give them a rated M game when they could just get Spider-man.
Don't worry I'm sure your mom will buy you FF xvi if you are good this year.
I already bought it myself thanks. It was kinda ass.
Seriously if the sales are slow now they're not going to be fast later. The final fantasy brand isn't what it used to be and this cutscene heavy hack and slash game isn't must play
I cant take him seriously when he gives the story a 2/10, like what wtf is a 1 then? When you have indie shovelware and canon sequels that are just nonsense destroys what came before, how can you in good faith give this story a 2/10? The game is like 7 overall imo
>I cant take him seriously when he gives the story a 2/10, like what wtf is a 1 then? When you have indie shovelware and canon sequels that are just nonsense destroys what came before, how can you in good faith give this story a 2/10? The game is like 7 overall imo
Hampsterson thinks gaynarok has good writing so he's comparing it to that. So his opinion can be dismissed by default.
yeah it was pretty damn awesome. glad to see they pulled it off.
The hilarious part being most of the comments disagree with him anyway lmao
the cope begins
who would be most rabidly posting in the comments of a video like that if not the people who he butthurt the most?
>rabidly
This isn't Twitter. Read the comments for this and shill ups video
I'm just glad they did well enough to not make turn based anymore. The market has spoken and nobody wants that shit.
So the new shitposter cope is that ff16 hasn't sold anymore copies after the first week? What a weird thing to turn to.
It only sold 1,680,000 copies, the rest are sitting on shelves collecting dust.
I don't really know what that has to do with what I said, but I am curious about where that information came from
pulled from his butthole
https://www.psu.com/news/final-fantasy-xvi-uk-launch-saw-over-56-of-copies-sold-digitally-via-ps-store/
That's a shame, I really want to know how well this game did sell through wise.
>56% percent digital in bogland
I hate this, salesgayging is going to get 10x worse if this isn't an outlier and game sales are actually moving more towards digital. Especially if Nintendo's new console also favors physical. I just want to talk about sales, I don't want to deal with console war morons
>shorter than a troony
Sad
Thats quite hard to do.
Most likely wearing heels
Based
>How did it succeed
it didn't though.
you are no better than barry
>3million
Even DMC5 sold more than this lmao, FFX sold like 4x more kek.
Do you think they reduced the potential buyers to a set that is the intersection of people who likes DMC and likes FF at the same time? Such that the most that they can sell is limited by DMC which sells less than FF?
DMC5 sold 6 million total after a while, seems to be the sales potential that FFXVI has if you really think about it.
>people who like DMC
will buy it
>people who like FF but don't like DMC
won't buy it
I think that's just it
I never played dmc but ffxvi is my goty.
I even thought I'd hate it and it'd be xv 2.0 combat. My favorite FF since 9.
I played DMC once and didn't like it, so FFXVI seems like garbage to me.
Why does anyone listen to this moron
what a good boy
He really is
Reading the thread I see a different dev team made this one than the last one? I know xv was really hated and I think they just gave it to devs who had more of a vision, the game had soul xv didnt and was way more fun to play.
>3M in 7 days
>90% drop
It's amazing how easily the 10/10 FFXVI mindbroke Ganker
0/10 you mean
>3k views
>1k subs
Literally who?
Have to really look for losers who hate the game, it’s pretty fricking sad honestly
That's just a clips channel. Still don't know literally who that is though.
thats just a clips channel of his livestreams
He said FF16 has a 2/10 dogshit story and he's right
Literally who?
A failed writer whose books are complete garbage
More accomplished writer than maehiro
Cohn said ffxv was his goty
Im sure as a hack fantasy writer he is an expert in bad storytelling
Let me ask again.
Who?
cope
https://youtube.com/@JosephAndersonChannel
Imagine getting those views in youtube and not pulling even 1k in twitch. Literally irrelevant, imagine how much of an insufferable homosexual he must be to watch.
I mean, despite those million viewes I have never heard about this guy.
How fricking irrelevant you have to be to still be a literal nobody despite being blessed by youtube algorythm lul
>Elden Ring - A Shattered Masterpiece
What an obnoxious putz.
>5 hours
>still up
How are people allowed to advertise blatantly like this?
Just beat Odin yesterday, this is my top:
>Bahamut
I don't need to say anything. FRICKING BAHAMUT.
>Odin
Loved Barnabas going CURAZEEEH sad that most of his screentime was backlogged until the end.
>Shadow Ifrit
Accept the Truth
>Titan
Amazing fight, sad that at this point Hugo was a joke character
>Typhoon
Banger OST, first time I almost died. Later I died to Subprime Hugo (I though I could parry his super) and a Hunt Creature because I didn't read the big DOOM letters while comboing lmao.
>Ifrit
It was the demo that convinced me to get the game. Joshua is so fricking cool.
>Garuda
Good fight, but I didn't like how Ifrit felt at first, I was a little worried about all the Eikons going forward.
kys zoomtrash
I'm probably older than (You).
then kys immediately, manchild homosexual
>All those buzzwords
Man, it really is Summer.
Lets face it
JRPGS are a fricking dead genre
XVI rightly decided to abandon the sinking ship and latch onto the brawler genre and it paid off extremely well
>FFXV: It's gonna save JRPGs!
>FFXVI: Let's face it, JRPGs are a sinking ship
SE shouldn't have taken the westernpill, Capcom eat shit for a decade or so and just recently got the knack of it.
Gonna laugh my ass off at you when DQXII flies off the shelves.
how do people unironically enjoy this asiaticshit
It's medieval DMC, it's a good enough sell for actiongays.
>Final Fantasy is an RPG franchise
Not anymore, great-grandpa.
>It's medieval DMC
DMC doesn't have a shitload of crappy fetchquests.
Medieval flavor.
My wife had a blast just watching me play it, and playing it was fricking awesome, so it's pretty easy to do of you're looking to have some fun.
I wish the devs stuck to what they had in Episode Duscae
Everything in epd is in the final game some of it is just shuffled around
like tempest is now a pause attack on greatsword and heavy thrust is a directional input of O+back then back again then O+right, the high jump was given to ignis as a tech while also made into link attacks on noct, and weapons still have the crush>ravage>vanquish and the counter and descent structure, and you can swap them manually at any point between them instead of it being only auto
also that gif is just what warpstrikes becomes when activating armiger which is the same
ability like knightsguard was just renamed to impervious, knightshield your get from swords of the wise the first royal arm and it deflects projectiles the same
It's a 7/10 game. Fun at points, but it isn't a masterpiece or anything.
He seems kind of moronic to be that upset over some plot convenience and contrivances. Yeah no shit its not a 10/10, and there's some stuff that makes little to no sense, but also there's a lot of good stuff in there too. The final sidequest plots are all pretty solid stuff, the actual ending is pretty nice, the eikon fights are cool as hell. And individual characters are mostly pretty solid.
I think a 2/10 is far far too harsh. Its probably closer to a 6 or 7.
He didn't even do those because he was "so bored", he started the game looking to hate it, complained about the whole time and still played the whole thing.
> He didn't even do those because he was "so bored", he started the game looking to hate it
Exactly. Even if we can agree or disagree whether backloading all the importand pivotal sidequests at the end was a good decision, if you skip all of it, and don't read the Harpocrates tomes, then yes, your understanding of the story will be severely incomplete.
Im not saying its a masterpiece but if you want to be mr. pseud pedantic filmcritic and try to pick holes at every perceived flaw, you should at least know what you're talking about
>and don't read the Harpocrates tomes, then yes, your understanding of the story will be severely incomplete.
And Vivian's models*
And check npc dialogue for every chapter*
YoshiP really let the autismo flow.
>YoshiP really let the autismo flow.
because of people like hampsterson. It's all in the game to answer every question because people like him are nitpicking losers. You can argue the pacing has problems and be right that the sidquests don't exactly have exciting design (not that i've ever seen a game with good sidequest gameplay) but to say the story doesn't explain itself to the point is bullshit.
he said game overall is 6/10 but story was 2/10
when he was playing forspoken he started out saying its a 4/10 and ended saying its a 6/10 too
>when he was playing forspoken he started out saying its a 4/10 and ended saying its a 6/10 too
forspoken is a 1/10 for it's main character alone.
Have you played it?
>Have you played it?
Why would I play a game with an ulikeable b***h for a main character? Same reason I didn't play Horizon.
Doesn't this game need to sell 10 million units to break even or something?
No, with 3 million it already broke even (assuming a 100-150m budget), marketing was footed by Sony so that's taken care of.
However in SE are Uber Greedy so it probably needs to sell like 8 million to fullfill expectations.
>No, with 3 million it already broke even
by ignoring the platform cut Sony takes and the retail and individual country tax.
>marketing was footed by Sony so that's taken care of.
You just made this up.
>by ignoring the platform cut Sony takes and the retail and individual country tax.
No, it's already taken in count. 3m sales = 210m in profit, Sony takes a 30% cut so it's 147m profit.
No, it was revealed in the FTC injuction. It also paid a lump sum but that part was correctly marked off.
>Sony takes a 30% cut so it's 147m profit.
You ignored the country's individual taxes and the retailer cut. Plus packaging costs. If half the sales are still physical like the uk sales suggest, then that's going to cost additional money.
>FTC injunction
no it wasn't.
>You ignored the country's individual taxes and the retailer cut. Plus packaging costs. If half the sales are still physical like the uk sales suggest, then that's going to cost additional money.
Tax is paid by the consumer. Physical copies cost is almost neligible with how far logistics have gone (like 5dlls per copy including distribution).
You only pay tax on profits so square enix is good
Jesus frick only $147M in profits, Mario movie made $1.6 Billion with just a $100M budget.
We live in a era where if something isn't a billion dollar banger its a failure.
Why would it? This game was extremely budget friendly outside of eikon fights, music, and voice actors.
Why does he enter every xvi thread just to get btfo?
Because he gets no b***hes and has put too much effort and time into this to let go
t. samegay
>moronic doomers
>the game is so lifeless barren, low effort and thought put into it.
>also moronic doomers
>the game must've costed a trillion to make!!!
>costed
Let's not kid ourselves. Everyone on Ganker these days are ESL third worlders.
I was typing like you dumbass
>VIIgays hate it because it isn't VII
>Nomura/Nojimagays hate it because it isn't trite anime garbage
>WoWbucks hate it because of XIV
>the few oldgays hate it because of the combat system
>ESLs hate it because it has implicative dialogue
>20% of the gaming industry hates it because it isn't on Xbox
>brownies hate it because no nogs
>eratroons hate it because no nogs/women don't girlboss enough
there's certainly overlap here but anyone who thought these threads would be bearable and wouldn't attract the worst of the worst was utterly moronic
add on that Final Fantasy is relatively niche and there's not enough of a base to drown out the schizoposters (see: Elden Rang) and you've got what you have now
>it isn't trite anime garbage
>he didn't play the whole game
ha ha ha
it isn't trite anime garbage, though? anime /=/ trite anime garbage.
Gurren Lagann isn't "trite anime garbage" but is still very much anime. Jin-Roh isn't trite anime garbage, but is still very much anime. Same with VampD.
>I like it, therefore it isn't trite anime garbage!
ha ha ha
>uhhhh there's actually no difference at all between LotGH and Sword Art Online ha ha ha
>I watch anime for REAL men, so that means its ok!
ha ha ha
>it isn't trite anime garbage, though?
>Character spout anime grunts and one-liners like they're piloting mechs during summon fights
>Super duper HYPE moments with pew pew lazers flying all over the place
>One fight even ends on a shot homaging to One Punch Man
You've gotta' be moronic.
anime /=/ trite anime garbage. Final Fantasy has always been anime. Final Fantasy has not always been trite anime garbage. anime has always been anime. anime has not always been trite anime garbage. Are YOU moronic? Because it isn't hard to understand.
>Final Fantasy has always been anime.
Not to this degree.
It started with 10, then 13 took it to a whole new level of Shounen reaching Orphen and now 16 dials it up to 11. You're moronic.
>it started with 10
how?
>how?
The speech right when Yunalesca transforms. Are you so swept up in shitty Jap stage play-tier writing you don't notice this kind of stuff?
i'd say it started with 5. half the cast has colorful anime hair, the story is moronic and plays it straight anyways like shonen shit, the humor is juvenile, and it had a literal anime sequel
>Not to this degree.
>It started with 10,
Holy kek, what? VII wasn't anime? V wasn't anime? IV wasn't anime? VIII wasn't anime? Aer you clinically insane?
7 and 8 were super anime wtf
Feel free to prove me wrong.
In order:
>IV ends with your friends praying to power you up and kill notGod
>splinter from V
>Supernova from VII
>VIII is literally just Gundam Wing, basically
VIII is just hilarious, I can't see how anyone can say that game isn't anime. I mean, have you played it? Looked at it, even?
It started with 1.
>anime /=/ trite anime garbage. Final Fantasy has always been anime. Final Fantasy has not always been trite anime garbage. anime has always been anime. anime has not always been trite anime garbage. Are YOU moronic? Because it isn't hard to understand.
your argument is literally "I like this anime, I don't not like this anime" you do realize that? Gurren Lagann copies from better series before it because it's an homage, try watching Getter Robo Armageddon plebe.
>Nomura/Nojimagays hate it because it isn't trite anime garbage
FFXVI despite its aesthetic is arguably the most anime FF has ever been. Nojima/Nomura just write shit probably while high as frick so sometimes it's interesting and cool and other times it's just bad but in a really weird way so you're not really sure what to do with it. They know how to make some likable characters though.
>They know how to make some likable characters though.
The only likable characters they've ever made were the ones made under Sakaguchi and Kitase's watchful eye. I'm sure there's some talent there but consider that all of their solo projects are utterly awful.
>is arguably the most anime FF has ever been.
see
Kaiju movies, while very absurd and "anime", are known for their social commentary. Tokusatsu is mostly the same although both have fallen off a cliff more or less in recent decades. Mecha especially houses some of the most emotionally intelligent stories ever put to cels. Having absurd moments doesn't discount messaging, or the prowess of your character writing.
In that same sense I would never discount the story of VII, or VIII, or X, just because Tidus is ethereal dreamman made of midichlorians.
>. Mecha especially houses some of the most emotionally intelligent stories ever put to cels. Having absurd moments doesn't discount messaging, or the prowess of your character writing.
FFXVI is pretty close to Mecha narrative elements, you can think about the Nations drama like Real Robot while the AAAYLMAO conspiracy as Super Robot.
Gurren Lagann pulled the same trick.
>I'm sure there's some talent there but consider that all of their solo projects are utterly awful.
Kingdom Hearts is one of the company's biggest properties. Regardless of what you think about the actual storytelling quality they absolutely have a knack for making characters people can like and feel invested in.
"people" in this case being "people" with severe autism and no mind for quality? Sure, I'll concede on that. Disney still sells gangbusters through all of their properties despite everything after Treasure Planet being soulless shite. The idea that these are only successful because the characters are "likeable" when 99% of Kingdom Hearts is nebulous anyway is just absurd.
If there's a kingdom hearts 4 it'll feature black Ariel for sure
> 99% of Kingdom Hearts is nebulous anyway
what are you even talking about? Nebulous how. And Yes KH has likable characters. Are they particularly deep? no, but they are likable.
>Nebulous how.
Because everything is simply bent to the will of the writer(s), any rule can be broken, any character can be changed (or in this case, they just add another copy/clone/whatever). Any important plotpoint can be immediately discarded or made retroactively unimportant, and any character arcs or development discarded with it. There's no weight to the characters outside of individual entries like the original because all of it seems like it's done on the fly to justify the theme park nature of the games or to hit some fanservice-like points for the core base of obsessive fans. If you like the characters, that's perfectly fine, but generally as a story and as a property Kingdom Hearts doesn't mesh with the idea of likable characters. You might like the designs, you might like the idea of Sora, any of that, but you don't like the character because there's not a character. VII started approaching this same point with all of the spinoff material where the beloved characters become whatever the current writer of the novel, movie, or game needs them to be at that point, with little to no throughline (see: Tifa wasn't really friends with Cloud) beyond (at one point) a series of events. Now, the series of events aren't even uniform.
>. You might like the designs, you might like the idea of Sora, any of that, but you don't like the character because there's not a character.
No i like Xigbar. He definitely has a character. Is the plot well-written? frick no. But he as enough of a personality to be likable and entertain when he's on screen. Sora has personality too. You're confusing bad plot and asspulls with the characters not being likable and those aren't the same thing.
hate it because it isn't VII
Correct
hate it because it isn't trite anime garbage
Wrong, some people from Nomura's team even helpt with the game, we are neutral.
hate it because of XIV
I don't think so, but maybe.
>>the few oldgays hate it because of the combat system
Yeah, YoshiP dabbing on JRPGgays was a mortal blow
>>ESLs hate it because it has implicative dialogue
???? Weird statement, but yeah sure.
>>20% of the gaming industry hates it because it isn't on Xbox
Xbox it's like 2% if you count PC+mobile. In console it's like 10%
hate it because no nogs
Correct
hate it because no nogs/women don't girlboss enough
Correct.
Really weird that you didn't mention our mentally ill moron, but maybe it was for the best.
You absolutely nailed it furry chad
The only thing this guy even got close to right was questioning why Cid had Clive's dog. Everything else was him being moronic and not realizing the eikons and their events were done specifically to draw Clive towards them. He's also APEX moronic about the whole "wanted outlaw" bit, because the title of Cid was literally passed between two completely seperate people, the prior being the one everyone knows since he was a dominant who served as Waloed's engineer, so naturally there is going to be conflicting accounts on what Cid looks like.
The only thing more sad than a moron is a moron who thinks he knows better than everyone else.
He's 1000% right about Joshua.
Yeah Joseph Anderson is only good at talking about game mechanics. Dude is a failed author for christ sake
>Yeah Joseph Anderson is only good at talking about game mechanics. Dude is a failed author for christ sake
Exactly true, don't take writing advice from someone who is autistic as him. HIs book reads like a fricking technical manual.
>bro it was bad writing on purpose!
FFXVI bros?
who?
Literally who?
>FF16 is dark and joyless
Legitimately who are these limp wristed morons who think their opinions matter?
>Legitimately who are these limp wristed morons who think their opinions matter?
I mean they could've included some cactaur and tonberrys lets be honest. It wouldn't have hurt anything and a serious looking cactaur could've been hilarious.
They had a moogle.
>They had a moogle.
and he's very cute and funny, just no reason not to include the other iconic monsters with a little makeover. Considering most of the other creatures were generic crabs it just seems a missed opportunity to use some creatures your games are known for.
It is a shame we didn't get cactuars in the desert biome. I thought they might use the Morbol but reskin it as a Gigatender type of thing, that way it'd look a bit less goofy than the standard Cactaur.
OH NO NO NO and that's from a heavy weeb channel too! FF16 appeals to nobody!
Weebs hate it! Normies hate it! literally only ff14 trannies defend it
there are 100 obscure anime jrpgs they can play instead. Modern weebs have the worst taste.
>ai art
wow ff16 so bad 90% of its "fanart" is ai generated
https://twitter.com/peter781226/status/1674672690731560960
And there's more but you can see for it yourself. Don't forget to check the game's tags on Pixiv (protip: not all pieces use the FF16 tag). Also there's a lot of new art on Twitter. It seems all it took was enough time for artists to finish the game.
>90% of its "fanart" is ai generated
>being THIS wrong
The absolute state of Barry.
I was absolutely loving the game.
Beat Titan in a fricking amazing cinematic fight... then the games story has fallen off a cliff and it's all fetch quests for Mid to make some engine.
>amazing cinematic fight
It's a 2 section Arena Match with 2 QTE sesions and 2 on-rails "fight"
The 3 part quest that takes max 30 minutes? Okay.
The shipbuilding quest was probably the only time I really felt the game was dragging. I know we had to come down from the high that was the Titan fight but mannnnnnn.
Why are canadians all such pseudo intellectual homosexuals?
Every single fricking time i dealt with a canadian its been these kinds of ppl
Because canadians have a huge inferiority complex, and most of them are cucks.
Why does Ganker want every game to fail?
It's endemic of society as a whole. Everyone wants it all to fail so we can start over.
FF16 DID fail
Doomer bros?
%3D%3D
Ohnono doomcucks and Barry can only pull some irrelevant randos with less than 10k viewes, but there is another big person that praises the game.
BARRY TIME TO LOOK FOR SOME 1k SUB JRPG YOUTUBE CHANNEL WITH NEGATIVE REVIEW!!!!!!@!@!@
>m.youtube
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I really wish Jill got even one cool moment. It could be something basic, Clive trips or something when fighting mr lava priest and Jill has to swoop in in prime form and do a little combo on him or something.
Does she ever even land a hit on a named character?
I liked how she murdered the shit out of the priest. I was half expecting her to change her mind or someone to talk her out of it. But nope, she drops that fricker like a bad habit. And she does help out a little bit during the Liquid Flame boss, if I recall.
She's always helping in some way. A big part of her character arc is Clive having to rely on her to do things because he cannot prime at will until later on. After taking a piece of her Eikon she knows she did what she had to do but feels like she cannot contribute anymore. Joshua picks up on this and you have a side quest with her exploring those themes. She's only ever had a purpose as a war machine or as a glorified hostage. Clive is her window to the goodness in the world.
She's willing to step up and sacrifice herself if need be multiple times if that means protecting things she cares about. People just want all bombastic characters and aren't used to any nuance.
>She's always helping in some way. A big part of her character arc is Clive having to rely on her to do things because he cannot prime at will until later on. After taking a piece of her Eikon she knows she did what she had to do but feels like she cannot contribute anymore. Joshua picks up on this and you have a side quest with her exploring those themes. She's only ever had a purpose as a war machine or as a glorified hostage. Clive is her window to the goodness in the world.
>
>She's willing to step up and sacrifice herself if need be multiple times if that means protecting things she cares about. People just want all bombastic characters and aren't used to any nuance.
People also seem to not notice that Jill isn't as talkative as she used to be after her experiences being shiva for the ironblood, that's not unusual for someone who has trauma. We also go through at least 2 times where were told she's reaching the limit of her days Priming at all before she might have terrible side effects. Some people ask why she doesn't go to fight Ultima, it's because it's a fricking suicide mission and no one is saying it out loud, Clive doesn't want her to die. I don't understand how this is hard to understand.
That moment was nice, but was still kinda tainted by that whole quest supposed to be her thing only her to lost to the priest right away and have Clive have to fight him for her. Best she got was holding back the lava during the fight and stabbing him after Clive was done
>That moment was nice, but was still kinda tainted by that whole quest supposed to be her thing only her to lost to the priest right away and have Clive have to fight him for her. Best she got was holding back the lava during the fight and stabbing him after Clive was done
The priest didn't summon the guardian you fricking moron, it's a defense mechanism for the crystal. Ultima summoned it to fight Clive, are you fricking stupid?
*Benedickedta shows up* "That's the mom!!!" - from the hamster that brought you the town made him stupid
I thought the same but I was playing in japanese and missed some details
>How did it succeed so completely in spite of all expectations?
LOL NO.
Frick off Eric its a commercial flop, cherrypicked some good scores from a few outlets(featuring no names like COGconnected and Attack of the Fanboys LMAO) dosen't change the sales number and that its not an RPG, the combat is simplistic and dumb and the story literally in the end boils down to use power of friendship to beat evil god(lol so much for "le Mature Adult Story")Ultima.
>We want to appeal to a broader audience.
It was kino. Simple as. TORtrannies can cope, seethe and dilate all they want.
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Schizo, are you okay? Nobody said that aside form Barry with FFXV.
IT IS GOOD YOU FRICKIGN homosexual KYS KYS I AGRESA WITH THE SHILLS KYS KLYUSLK USAKY FGUCK YOU YOU homosexual@@@@@@@!!!!!!
???
I never said that, well you are just baiting so this is your last (You)
Frick
Genuinely autistic question, but has anyone been able to catch Jill taking a breath after a field battle? It was depicted here: https://youtu.be/wVmy1j3P7sU?t=180 pre-launch and I haven't been able to get her to do it again. It's played the animation, but not the "voice" line.
Also learned today you could pick up and move Lightning Rod.
someone post his book
Go back to /reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/FFXVI/
It bombed and flopped hard as frick
Also the quote at the top is from a guy who said the stirring goes to shit at the end and agreed with shillup about the game but he only liked the gameplay
also stop making this exact shill thread moron xvitroon you literally got 404d last time
OH NO NO NO XVI-KUN ON SUICIDE WATCH
Are you that person that will never allow anything bad to be said about FFXV or Forspoken?
Asmongold (of otk fame) has more viewers and says it's goty. Sorry about btfoing you in front of everyone, but my e-celebs mogs yours.
And his chat isn't buying it. Also kys
Chat, aka me and the boys, universally agreed its goty.
Sorry but you'll have to die mad about it
Unfortunately, you and the boys need to have a nice day for the good of humanity. :'(
Unfortunately I cant since your mom is addicted to my dick
>Asmongold (of otk fame) has more viewers and says it's goty.
Asmongold has brain damage.
the absolute seethe in the replies, kek
weebs are just moronic
of course they enjoy slop story made for moronic Black folk with no iq
Game is great, and Final Fantasy mode is how the game should have played from the get go.
https://twitter.com/IIIHUSKIII/status/1678557792582369285?t=qPSB2qap7jHLJccK4boXnA&s=19
https://argorar.github.io/WebMConverter/
Thanks, Anon.
do me a favor and learn how to use heatwave
I've been trying out heatwave and it's a pretty mid skill. What's so great about it?
you use it to parry projectiles. it does a lot of stagger damage and reduces the cd by a lot
Heatwave is my favorite skill in the game.
>Parry projectile
>Launch your own ranged wave attacks that will hit multiple enemies and send them airborn
>Dish out decent pure damage and a frickload of stagger damage
>Basically auto-refreshes if used correctly
I melted a few bosses with that one skill alone. Genji Gloves + Favor of Flame gives the skill +14% total damage as well.
I know how to use heatwave, I just missed my timings, Anon.
The only good point is the moronic jukebox quest on the middle of going after Jill.
But any complaining about coincidences and plotholes are literally there either shown or explained in the story. Imagine being so media illiterate you can't understand a shonen japanese game.
okay so explain why Joshua didn't let Clive know he was alive until the first mothercrystal and continued avoiding him after that.
What would it serve if he did tell him early?
Yes because then Clive wouldn't have to deal with the guilt of killing his brother who isn't actually dead and Joshua could warn him about Ultima.
He wouldn't have grown in power to defeat Ultima if that were the case.
>He wouldn't have grown in power to defeat Ultima if that were the case.
yes he would have as he continued to do so even after realizing joshua was alive.
You don't understand how character growth works in stories.
You don't understand how having characters act in a believable manner works.
Nah, you just can't pick up on subtle nuances in story telling.
okay so explain the subtle nuance of why that homosexual Joshua didn't tell Clive he was alive until the first mothercrystal and then kept ducking him for the majority of the story.
Joshua didn't want to put him in danger.
how would joshua telling clive "hey I'm alive btw you didn't kill me" put him in danger?
Clive was a faceless branded soldier. Not even Benedikta knew who he was. There was no realistic way Joshua would have know where to look, even assuming he knew Clive was still alive.
>Clive was a faceless branded soldier. Not even Benedikta knew who he was. There was no realistic way Joshua would have know where to look, even assuming he knew Clive was still alive.
Joshua literally saw both Clive and Jill when they were leaving Phoenix Gate and knew who they were. Try paying attention moron.
The last time they physically interacted with each other while Clive was able bodied, he randomly turned into fire Satan and bit Joshua's face off. Being stand-offish and seeing what his brother is up to is not outside the realm of believability, nor is trying to go all in on this point some sort of testament to the game's plot in any way. It's grasping at straws.
>Being stand-offish and seeing what his brother is up to is not outside the realm of believability,
Not SENDING YOUR BROTHER WHO THINKS HE KILLED YOU A MESSAGE TELLING HIM YOU'RE ALIVE is 1000% outside the realm of believability. It's not grasping at straws. Joshua's one of the most central characters and his behavior for the vast majority of the game makes no fricking sense at all.
>"I should send Clive a letter."
>[Dear Clive, I'm alive! We should catch up!]
>Remembers that he doesn't know the Hideout's address
>can literally just follow Clive and Jill to find out the hideout's address
>can get one of his servants to do it too or simply find out for him.
>Literally watched them leave Phoenix Gate, could have just said, "hey Clive I'm not dead."
>Can send a magic owl.
>could have stuck around after the first mothercrystal
Stop defending this shit. Joshua's behavior for 2/3 of this game is ridiculous and nonsensical. Furthermore the fact that Clive and Joshua don't even talk about why Joshua avoided him for so long is beyond ridiculous.
The fact of the matter is, we really don't know much of what Joshua was doing this whole time, how/when he came back to life (obviously the Phoenix had something to do with it), or what he thinks of his brother after being fricking murdered by him as a kid. No one is saying these aren't things that could/should be answered. People are merely pointing ting out that choosing this hill to die on when it's realistically a minute detail in the grand scheme of things is autistic beyond belief, and there are legitimate reasons to draw as to why Joshua might not want to reveal that he's alive, even if they aren't explicitly said (which they should have).
>or what he thinks of his brother after being fricking murdered by him as a kid.
We know that Joshua knows what happened was Ultima's fault not Clive's. He says so at the first mothercrystal.
>. People are merely pointing ting out that choosing this hill to die on when it's realistically a minute detail in the grand scheme of things
Joshua is probably the 2nd most important character in the entire story. His actions for the vast majority of the game being completely nonsensical is the exact opposite of a "minute detail"
>and there are legitimate reasons to draw as to why Joshua might not want to reveal that he's alive
No there aren't.
>the last time me and my brother were together, Ultima forcefully pushed his hand to try and have him absorb Phoenix
>wouldn't it be absolutely brilliant if I just immediately waltzed up to him 13 years later when nobody involved has a grasp on the situation
B-But he could use megaphone o-or shout reeeal loudly from the treetops faraaar away from Clive! Ultima wouldn't try to mess with Clive's mental state and trick him if they met! STOP DEFENDING THIS SHITTY GAME ITS NOT FINAL FANTASY I'M IN CHARGE HERE GIVE ME PEN PUT ME IN THE BIG BOY WRITERS SEAT
>wouldn't it be absolutely brilliant if I just immediately waltzed up to him 13 years later when nobody involved has a grasp on the situation
"hey my brother who thinks he killed me and who i know is innocent is right there! oh well better let him keep wallowing in guilt, surely that will make the situation better."
frick off. Jill was with Clive. Joshua saw them.
>walks up
>BIDEN BLAST homie RAHHH
>*Phoenix dies*
Anon I think you hit a nail on the head: Writer-kun just wanted a shorter game.
Clive totally wouldn't snap thinking he's a ghost or a trick, mhm.
Clive wouldn't just drop everything just to say "Frick the world and frick Ultima" and start a family with his brother and Jill, mhm.
Ultima wouldn't try to minipulate the situation at all, mhm.
Bro, the ENTIRE FRICKING OPENING SEQUENCE is literally Ultima mind-fricking Clive with a snap of his fingers, forcing him to prime as Ifrit, and made him kill his own baby brother. There are very reasonable implications to draw as to why Joshua is being cautious.
>forcing him to prime as Ifrit
Nope. There's nothing that states that Ultima can force anybody to Prime. If he could he wouldn't need to go through all that shit to manipulate Dion or Hugo. Instead it seems that Ultima just controlled Clive after he primed on his own. Although, It's all pretty vague as to what Ultima can or can't do.
>There are very reasonable implications to draw as to why Joshua is being cautious.
Okay and how does being cautious prevent him from sending Clive a letter saying "Hey, I'm alive btw there's an alien trying to steal your body so just watch out for that" It doesn't. Even then there's nothing preventing him from teaming up with them after the first crystal. He's suddenly fine with being around Clive after the Bahamut fight even though the situation in regards to Ultima is the exact same. Moreover he never even explains his reasoning so any attempts at explaining his bullshit is headcanon people are making up to excuse garbage writing.
Nope. There's nothing that states that Ultima can force anybody to Prime.
>Although, It's all pretty vague as to what Ultima can or can't do.
Well you just destroyed that part of your argument, moron.
>Not SENDING YOUR BROTHER WHO THINKS HE KILLED YOU A MESSAGE TELLING HIM YOU'RE ALIVE is 1000% outside the realm of believability.
He's not even sure what Clive's status is and how much influence Ultima has had over him, or presumably what he's even been doing for the past 13 years. That's why when he sees them at Phoenix Gate, and realizes that Ultima is pulling Clive around to the different ruins for "testing", and that he's already absorbed Garuda, he says pic related.
>He's not even sure what Clive's status is and how much influence Ultima has had over him, or presumably what he's even been doing for the past 13 years.
Doubtful, he knew Clive was Ultima's target and then for 13 years does nothing to try to find him with his entire order of servants? Also the fact that he recognized Clive immediately suggests he already did know a bit. There's literally nothing that would prevent him from Joining up with Clive and Jill then and there or at the very least sending them a message. Not a single thing beyond whatever twisted headcanon you made up because the characters never even address it. Even then, he certainly knew after the first mothercrystal and then just fricks off anyway.
This is just bad writing. Stop making excuses for it.
>it's bad writing if I just ignore the fact that the sole thing Ultima wants is to have Clive absorb all the Eikons
lol, lmao, you are just a moron bro I'm sorry
>Ultima wanting Clive to absorb all the Eikons somehow means Joshua has to act like a fricking moron and can't even send his brother a message or anything.
No you're moronic. Joshua clearly has no issue being around Clive after the Bahamut fight and even then Ultima's goal is still for Clive to absorb all the eikons.
Do you really think Clive wouldn't just drop everything then and there, forgoing his journey to to get stronger in order to risk forfeiting his will to Ultima if he loses and not want to have a threesome with Jill and Joshua imstead?
Your typical "nii san wo mamoru".
He was on a mission to save his beloved big brother and didn't want Clive to be involved with hi, because knowing Clive he would treat to protect him at all costs and ultimately be involved with Ultima.
It's something he had to do by himself even if it cost him his life.
>He was on a mission to save his beloved big brother
That would be much better served by warning Clive about Ultima and, at the very least, telling Clive he's alive.
>He was on a mission
Oh, then what the frick was he doing for 13 years during the first timeskip? And what the frick was he doing for 5 years during the second timeskip? If Joshua's mission is so urgent then why does he do fricking nothing for years on end?
>because knowing Clive he would treat to protect him at all costs and ultimately be involved with Ultima.
Even if that reasoning wasn't moronic there's literally nothing that would have prevented him from simply sending Clive a message explaining what the frick is going on.
Oh yes, let's just send a message to my brother who is a slave in the army in some magical way and tell him I'm going around Valisthea gathering info and trying to stop an alien that wants to take his body and may get me killed in the process.
What could go wrong? Is not as if message gets to him somehow he won't go schizo trying to find me and getting involved with the same being I don't want him to get involved with, not at all.
Think things at least 5 sec and stop being a moron.
>Oh yes, let's just send a message to my brother who is a slave in the army in some magical way and tell him I'm going around Valisthea gathering info and trying to stop an alien that wants to take his body and may get me killed in the process.
Yes that would be the logical thing.
>What could go wrong? Is not as if message gets to him somehow he won't go schizo trying to find me and getting involved with the same being I don't want him to get involved with, not at all.
Clive wouldn't go schizo trying to find him if Joshua would behave like a normal human being and stop purposefully avoiding him. "Hey there's this person I want to protect. Should I stay near them and give them all the info I have to protect them better or should I stay as far away as possible as if somehow that will magically help?" Clive is getting involved with Ultima either way because Ultima fricking wants his body. Joshua's behavior makes zero sense. It's shit writing.
>Clive wouldn't go schizo trying to find him if Joshua
Clive would 100% defect our of the army the first chance he had to go find him, and Joshua knows that.
Clive was unironically the most safe when he was at the army knowing nothing, even if by Ultima's perspective that didn't matter at all because he was always going to move things anyways so he would ending up defecting, meeting other eikon, destroying the crystals etc, like he ended up doing.
>Clive would 100% defect our of the army the first chance he had to go find him, and Joshua knows that.
And? Yeah that would have been a good thing.
>Clive was unironically the most safe when he was at the army knowing nothing,
>Clive was most safe on a LITERAL FRICKING BATTLEFIELD AS PART OF UNIT THAT HUNTS DOMINANTS
frick off.
"Joseph" Anderson btfo by Cohn.
Trannie-kun on suicide watch.
>"Joseph" Anderson btfo by Cohn.
taking out of context what he meant by "peak".
He was talking about elements in the game setting-wise, music-wise, and spectacle-wise they'd expect from a Final Fantasy.
He proceeds to talk about all the major issues that FF16 has and that he very strongly believes that this is the wrong direction for FF, even though he says this i still a good game.
https://twitter.com/ggggrga/status/1678004803543379970
I conclude gamer and story are mutually exclusive After TLOU2, though I don't TLOU2 did a good job.
https://twitter.com/HerzloserEngel/status/1678084085644771328
https://twitter.com/ThiccWithaQ/status/1677025865211817984
>you're welcome to pull out anytime
Uh, lame?
The 100 likes and 10 retweet goal has been more than exceeded and thus the image is already being made.
https://twitter.com/furiouzly1/status/1677675859027824641
*the next image following that one
Why is Jill's butthole so big?
Well, furry is coming back into fashion.
There's gotta be something specific that triggers homosexuals like this and shillup
Ngl, first time I'm seeing shillup blatantly making up shit to criticize the game. He's right about some things like the RPG being very weak but it's clear he didn't bother to try to learn to play the game nor did he finish the sidequests.
cool jams to cope and seethe to
https://twitter.com/thiccwithaq/status/1677724063786041345
https://www.pixiv.net/artworks/109705165
Am I the only one not impressed by the game's graphics? The Witcher 3 and FF15 look so much better
Did you play FF15 on a base Xbox One at launch in 2016?
FFXVI's graphics should at least be on par with FFXV and TW3
it looks better FF7RE but hair physics is disappointing.
Did you play FF15 on a base Xbox One at launch in 2016?
No they don't. The only thing sub-par about 16's visuals are the faces and hair. Also just the general drab art direction. But in terms of materials and shit it looks way better
There's new art coming every day, etc.
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/109806522
>XVI is so unpopular that people are barely making fanart
Grim.
There's a lot of fanart except unfortunately its mostly of the guys especially Mr. Bahamut and Joshua
XV was given the same scores and praise btw.
It sucks that it took this long to get r34 art but I'm glad it's finally happening. All I need is Jill or Benedikta by thirty 8ght
Jill is a tier 2 waifu at best
That's what everyone says about the best girls.
imagine using critic reviews in 2023 as a benchmark for how good a game is. Games journalism a sham and anyone who laps up their slop desrves to be exploited
Holy based
https://twitter.com/Dreamboum/status/1677779752671752193?s=20
it'll be nice to give her some happy memories before she dies of brain cancer as that lump on the back of her head suggests.
>XVI shill makes claim with no source
Just a step above Barry
I just want that first person shooter ff game that Yoshida talked about
Can't wait for Rebirth now
I fricking can't wait for Elden Final Fantasy XVII of Duty IV May Cry of Thrones: Deluxe Edition
Stop my dick can only get so hard
Abe is smiling down on them
the DLC will be Gold Saucer and you WILL love it
Don't worry Clive, you can die in peace, Jill is safe with me and she will be my wife 🙂
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/109713508
God the pc version can't come soon enough, the models need to be ripped out already.
And it'll still be years before they're used properly.
Square Enix outdid itself in the waifu department. I need a Jill in my life.
Jill sucks bro
wait are we getting a hecking reddit screencap?
toasting in an epic bread
I love how 90+% of these threads are people arguing whether the game bombed with the same person who actually thinks Forspoken was a major hit and Luminous Productions closing was actually a promotion to work on FF17.
Name a better duo
Shills and FFXVI
barry
By sheer force of kino, simple as
just beat titan on my first playthrough
do i ever use any of these crafting mats like the wyrrite or pelts or can I sell them to buy the jukebox songs?
>some skills actually change a little more than just increased DMG when at max
I had so much fun playing this game bros. What a blast.
Ultima’s eikon form being retextured Ifrit was beyond lazy
>Ultima’s eikon form being retextured Ifrit was beyond lazy
It wasn't laziness it was for story reasons, did you pay any attention?
They should of made Ultima's form into a combination of all the eikons + leviathan as a base, like the snake demiurge
Nah, I think Ifrit was mostly fine but if they went the extra bit and made it look more like FF6 Ultima weapon it'd have been great. It even has extra arms like his base form.
Mythos is create as vessel for Ultima
What make you think he look different?
Does anyone else think it's sad that Ganker has gotten so ADHD that they'd rather post eceleb arguments and reply with debunks from opposing eceleb arguments rather than have an actual back and forth argument themselves
Yes and it'll forever remain like this on Ganker until heat death.
The story really does get worse when Ultima is the only thing left to deal with. The events surrounding him were fine, but conflict driven by human emotion and animosity will always be more interesting than the machinations of a detached, emotionless alien god.
>Joseph Anderson
>Doesn't understand SH2
>Doesn't understand FFXVI
LMAO. XVI is as good as SH2 then:
why does anyone listen to this moron
He makes good plot summary videos in the name of ""critiques"".
After Matthewpotatosis started making vids on topics he personally wanted to cover, Ganker redditors and got uppity he wasn't focusing on FotM garbage and Souls shit, then here comes Hampsterson to "save" the day.
>Matthewpotatosis
He's not good either. He designed 2 an hours long guides in order to how to enjoy Wondershit 101(yes, I played it, it's fine but not masterpiece people make it out to be).
>He designed 2 an hours long guides in order to how to enjoy Wondershit 101
You WISHED you could be as passionate to talk about a game you enjoy for others to enjoy too.
Holy shit, he's an utter pseudo-intellectual dipshit, also in the comments someone mentions that he thinks Super Metroid is a terrible game. Does this man have a sub 80iq?
>Does this man have a sub 80iq
just fricking look at him
Don't mind me. I just skipped the whole thread reading nothing, cause Ganker is too busy being mad about XVI
Here's Jill
peace frickers
game is a fricking snoozefest
the eikon fights are okay but that's like 2 hours out of a 30-60 hour game depending how much boring side shit you do
nice copypasta
https://arch.b4k.co/v/search/image/5cxeoZVz6mb9hNOldtYdXw/
mental illness
>posting an image more than once is mental illness if it goes against my narrative
>posting an imagine more than once isn't mental illness if it supports my narrative
an image more than once is mental illness if it
yeah it is
glad we can agree
notice the complete lack of argument because they know you're right
i don't care if they know whether i'm right or not it's a fricking fact
the only time this game shines is during those fights and they happen few and far between
and i'll keep posting it because it's true and you can keep crying about it
refund it then
oh wait
nah im glad to support ffxiv the superior game
you are literally reposting it almost 3 times a day according to the archive
it wasn't a success and barry won
Hope Barry has fun
Because Barry desperately wanted it to fail therefore it succeeded by drastic margins. For being released on one console and selling 3m copies in one week, that's insane.
What the frick was this?
false advertisement
why can't they just make an Yoshitaka Amano style game. They have the technology, it isn't 1990 anymore
Might have been concept art from when they were planning on Diabolos being the true Eikon for Clive
probably the best review of FFXVI out there
stop trying to advertise your shitty channel.
I give FFXV a hard time, but at least that game had a party, and actual exploration.
>actual exploration
LMFAO!!!!!
compared to XVI definitely
yeah, death stranding had exploration as well
but unlike XV, death stranding had a lore reason for the world to be post apocalyptically empty
>had a lore reason for the world to be empty
What's FF16's excuse?
the blight and the ongoing war
>What's FF16's excuse?
>the only valid complaint antis have is joshua not meeting clive earlier
They are really struggling here huh? Meanwhile you look at a train wreck like FFX and there's an army of valid story complaints.
i feel people are very overly defensive of this game because they bought consoles for it