Finally did myself the service of playing this gem and I'm amazed at how incredibly well it holds up in both story and gameplay for a 1997 game. Even compared to modern game design it was doing some ambitious shit.
How do the other older Final Fantasy games compare? So much shit from this game is still living in my head rent free 2 weeks later.
Watch Advent Children and play the Remake next. Both are also fantastic.
>Both are also fantastic.
The DEmake is absolute garbage, not even a finished game, and NOT a "remake" at all. That shit flopped for a reason; it's simply not FF7.
Don't listen to this moron OP, the remake is incredible, you'll notice it once you play it.
Frick off.
Selling a timey-wimey meta-parody SEQUEL as THE "remake" people waited for 25 years, only it to cover maybe 4 hours worth of content but stretch it to 50 hour slogfest filled with fetch quests and minigames, butchering the story and characters while at it just because KH's author was butthurt towards SE, is not cool.
SE poured tons of money and restarted the project at least twice throughout the years, which explains why it's not only unfinished in the episodic manner, but generally feels half-baked. The ep1 only started generating money once it was unleashed from the Snoy's shackles.
It was the same shit with FFXV. In both cases, the Nier franchise kept the entire studio afloat, since those games were made with puny budgets and thus made profit almost instantly.
On your pic,
>AHHHHH breasts TOO BIG REDUCE REDUCE
>AHHH breasts TOO SMAL THEY'LL THINK ITS A e-girl
Can feminists just shut the frick up for once? Can we go back to putting woman in games instead of halfhearted imitations of butch Hollywood scifi dykes?
>Can feminists just shut the frick up for once?
They literally cannot. That's the issue with the modern SoMe-centric world
>wesley yin-poole
>yin-poole
cuck
I felt like the remake just added a lot of superfluous details and completely fricked the pace that the original had. That said, the gameplay was fun enough as an action game reimplementation of the ATB system and the voice acting was mostly pretty good. Cloud and Tifa specifically.
I still need to finish it, though. I lost steam after the plate dropped and I had an entirely new list of sidequest boxes to check off.
And that's not even going into the new story stuff they added. I don't have a lot of hope for that. Time travel/Parallel universe elements tend to be completely stupid unless the people writing it are really smart or really dedicated or both. Even then, the concept is overused these days and I'm tired of it.
I agree it’s shit, but was it really a flop? What were sales expectations vs reality?
Big test will be how Rebirth sells, they’ve played their narrative BS, I’m expecting it too sell less than Remake.
>Law of diminishing returns.
Frick off Barry
Based.
Cringe.
based, 7R is fricking shit. I don't mind the gameplay but that should've gone to a new game. every piece of additional content to 7s world has been for the worse
1-6 are very formulaic, they show their age a lot in the gameplay department. 6 has a really good story though.
9 was like a spiritual reboot of those older games. The setting has a nice feel but the actual plot is weaker and gameplay wise it's a step down from 7.
12 is probably the only game as ambitious and innovative as 7, it did incredible stuff for a PS2 title. That's why it's the best FF game.
Are any of the games similar to what FFXVI is looking to be is or is it shaping up to be its own unique beast
Millennial boomer here.
I wholeheartedly believe that majority of the big, acclaimed classics from the late-90s and early-00s absolutely are worth their hype. There's a reason why it's called the "golden era", with 1998 being the most commonly agreed peak.
Many of that era's games are not only damn influential and innovative, but atmospheric and engaging as frick. FF7 still feels good, Ocarina is still amazing, and Half-Life feels endlessly replayable + has tons of mods.
Many franchise and genres have gotten greatly diluted in the past 15 years, if not killed off entirely.
As far as I'm aware, the FF IV, VI, VII and IX are the most beloved games by the most fans, and the ones I could easily recommend to anyone.
Out of those, I'd say 7 is a safe bet for a beginner. It was a huge phenomenon back in the days, and it's still very enjoyable, atmospheric and even comfy game. The gameplay-mechanisms are simple enough for rookies, but hard enough to master, soo it keeps even experienced players interested. There's also tons of optional side quests, minigames, etc.
After that, choose your poison. Since the stories and worlds are (usually) not connected in any way, you can pretty much shoot blind. Different things appeal to different people, and that's also why there's so much arguments about various titles in the series.
I for example really liked the FF XIII trilogy as a whole, but I know that many bash it as the worst blunder of the millennium and death of the series.
The ones I would personally recommend skipping are the NES originals (1-3) and the MMOs (11 & 14). I also wasn't too fond of VIII and XII.
NTA, but Nope. 16 is looking like some Witcher 3 like trash.
Literally NOT Final Fantasy by any level, unless they totally overhaul it before release. Not a fan of western style ARPGs in general.
>words words words
Frick off
what the frick is your deal?
>Even compared to modern game design it was doing some ambitious shit.
What the frick are you talking about? What aspects of the game design are ambitious? Anyway, go play Dragon Quest 5 (DS version) to see what Final homosexualry was trailing behind back in the early 90s.
The materia system is one of the best combat customisation options in all of gaming.
The art direction allowed for many grand, distinct locations despite the limited hardware.
The Aerith plot twist.
It had a wealth of unique gameplay moments beyond the core combat and exploration.
Dragon Quest is just dull shit for contrarians to pretend they like.
>The materia system is one of the best combat customisation options in all of gaming.
There is nothing "ambitious" about it, technically speaking it could exist in an NES game.
>The art direction allowed for many grand, distinct locations despite the limited hardware.
>The Aerith plot twist.
I said gameplay you illiterate frick
>It had a wealth of unique gameplay moments beyond the core combat and exploration.
Like simplistic minigames that stop being fun after 90 seconds?
>Dragon Quest is just dull shit for contrarians to pretend they like.
Ah okay, you're a completely tasteless moron.
>go play Dragon Quest 5
You mean a game from the franchise that has literally not changed one bit since 1985?
>the franchise that has literally not changed one bit since 1985?
Each of the games are clearly different, so I have no idea what this is supposed to mean.
>Each of the games are clearly different
Do you honestly believe this, or is this some ebinn new zoomer meme I'm not aware of?
Every DQ game from 1 to 10 was built around a key new feature, they are all highly distinct from one another. Maybe you should actually play them before attempting to offer an opinion.
homie I've played most of them years before (You) were born, starting with the GBC remakes of 1-3. Just beat XI for the first time couple years back, and it was literally "What if gaming was the same as back in 1988, but fancy 3D??" - The Game. It's both the franchise's big appeal point, and biggest flaw. Nothing special, but back to basics.
>Just beat XI for the first time couple years back, and it was literally "What if gaming was the same as back in 1988, but fancy 3D??" - The Game
This is a meaningless statement.
It is not. You just don't want to, or cannot argue against it.
In general, it is absolutely hilarious that you claim DQ of all franchises to be "all different" each game, when no two FF games play or look anything alike.
As I said, each DQ game was built around at least one key new gameplay feature which made it distinct from previous games in the series. I shouldn't have to list all of them as you claim to be familiar with the franchise. When I think about what makes FF8 or 9 distinct from previous games in the series, all that comes to mind is half-baked unfun new character building systems and their stories. Is this really the "innovation" you're putting on a pedestal? Replacing things that worked with underdeveloped shit that sucks?
>each DQ game was built around at least one key new gameplay feature which made it distinct from previous games in the series.
Applies way better to every single FF game.
Okay, so you should have no problem responding to the rest of what I wrote in that post then.
DQgays are contrarians, funny how they praise DQ5 which is the one who tried to be more serious alas FF
IV, V, VI, VII & IX and you can't really go wrong. Then try out the PSP versions of I and II. People really like VIII and XII. Avoid XIII.
I'm playing through 5 as a zoomer. In the beginning it was pretty good. It's really interesting how they make the heartfelt moments work with the dorky graphics and animations of sprites. You can instantly realize why sprite nostalgia caught on in the Flash age.
I also really like the jobs system. I'll admit, I played Monster Girl Quest first, but the jobs still impressed me and made for fun builds, though the summoner/trainer/blue mage classes sucks dick incomparison with just slotting up some sorcerers, black mages, time mages and ninjas.
Now that I'm in the late game though, the Final Fantasy 1 conundrum has sprung up again. To give it a name "where the frick do i go to continue the main quest". Final Fantasy as a series seems to be miserable at answering this question, and when I finish 5, I have no intention of ever playing the ones preceding it.
You had to read the text
for me FF4, FFT, and FF10 are the only other games worth playing. FF6 is trash because it has SO MANY FRICKING CHARACTERS that no one really feels special or important. FF5 has the job system but FFT perfected it and executed it so much better. FF8 and 9 are both forgettable, FF12 had an ugly as frick artstyle and completely ruined combat which set a precedent for 13 and beyond's shitty combat. if you play any FF after 12 just go ahead and commit sudoku now.
>thinks FFT's job system is good
>thinks FF13's combat is bad
This is the problem with Final homosexualry fans - they're so used to consuming badly balanced, shallow, grindy autistic trash that when something fun and well designed comes along they reject it for being out of place with the rest of the franchise.
in FFT i had a ninja that crosstrained as a time mage temporarily just long enough to learn the teleport skill, and then transitioned back to ninja keeping the teleport ability. so i custom made a teleporting ninja. i'm sure ff13 has its merits, but customizing classes isn't one of them. if you like playing RPGs that have no freedom that locks you in training wheels, then yes, ff13 is a godsend.
>dude I spent 100 hours grinding to make a super unit that can trivialize the game, this is such epic gameplay!
No. Battles in FFT amount to deploying your super unit and then rolling around the map one-shotting everything. It is purely a numbers game, stomp or get stomped, and the inclusion of the word "tactics" in the title is a joke. There are far more actual tactics required to win lategame bossfights in FF13 than there are in any battle in FFT.
well actually ninjas are strong but have low HP, and the teleport ability can only go about 6 squares in distance before it can fail and result in an unsuccessful teleport. so try again. even to someone who has played neither games we are talking about, it should be obvious from screenshots how many more tactical options exist in any given FFT battle compared to any given FF13 battle. a chess match with moveable pieces versus a battle with fixed position characters with far less selectable battle options? don't make me laugh. you have to be joking.
FFT has far less depth than chess though, as the units are nowhere near as distinct. All you do is walk up to enemies and attack them (usually killing them in one hit once you've made your units brokenly overpowered by abusing the laughably unbalanced job system). Repeat 8-9 times to win the battle. There is no strategy because the units have no depth. Compare this to FF13 which has a huge number of potential paradigms, each one with a unique use case, and you have to contend with boss mechanics and attack patterns that constantly push you to play as high-risk, high-reward as possible, and you have a richly strategic game that forces you to seriously think about how to approach each high-end encounter (and even many regular battles).
FF8 graphics are impressive but the game is just weird, though I liked it.
FF9 is pure old disney
As for older games
FF1, FF3 and FF5 are less story more jobs. FF5 is great
FF4 and FF6 are the heavy story ones. FF6 is impressive since you can tell how they actually tried to make it more plot focused, more brilliant moments, etc
FF10 is always a good entry for newcomers. It's linear, but it still has lot of SOUL (FF3-2 is only good for gameplay)
It's the best one, but 8 and 9 are great as well. 6 too, if you can enjoy 2D. The rest are either nothing special or just bad.
IV through IX are all great. VI and VII are my personal favorites in the whole series, followed by IV and V
now play FFVII New Threat for some more fun
Play the new crisis core hd and ff7 remake. agree with other anons that the pacing great but story and ganeplay js great. without going to much into it, remake is different from the original.
Pacing isn't great*. stupid phone.
as much as I hate tetsuya crisis core is fairly alright just emulate it instead playing the remaster unless there is a mod that replaces the VA with the old one. Or play in japanese if thats a thing. Advent children is... ok I guess. The remake is all over the place but the combat is great and the dlc is FANTASTIC since it wasn't dragged down by the ps4 anymore.
Did the actual characters match your expectations?
Its sad how hard these two go flanderized. All anyone remembers is 7’s ending so everyone remembers Aerith as a tragic innocent little lamb.
But 20 hours of gametime early and she was threatening to rip a man’s testicles off
the characters were cast against the stereotypes, weren't they?
the whitemage but a streetsmart slum girl
the kung-fu monk but a submissive childhood friend
but too much success can hurt
OP go play Vanguard Bandits, it's gem too.
Absolute chad