It's been two hours, did you really have to reply to him?
5 months ago
Anonymous
Thread is still active, plus I'm not the anon he was replying to if that's what you were trying to imply.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>plus I'm not the anon he was replying to if that's what you were trying to imply
Of course you're not, because that was me, just saying you shouldn't reply to obvious shitposters. He probably moved on to shitpost about the usual Yrlietgay fight we have in every thread anyway
pirated it to give it a try but my favourite youtuber said he didn't recommend it in its current state because of gamebreaking bugs despite it being a good game so I deleted the game
A flaw other than the bugs? >Too many loading screens (if it's an issue that can be solved with better programming, then programming is at fault, if the loading screens were justifiable based on what's realistically achievable then the fault is not giving enough priority to uninterrupted experience: for instance, instead of doing bridge events launching as you travel between the systems as bridge events, you should have handled them as book events for instance or something else that doesn't take a loading screen) >Combat too reliant on alpha striking. Now, because lanchester's laws sort of reasoning, alpha striking is necessarily a good tactic. But it can be too powerful: a good half of the options in the game simply don't make sense if it's foolhardy to let combats last longer than the initial turn, and this doesn't lead to very reactive tactical gameplay anyhow. But, if fixing that would mean combats would last longer, which it pretty much does, then that means the ratio of combat to exploration would tip too hard on side of combat because the current ratio is really good, and that too would need to be rebalanced >The system is certainly better than D&D/derivatives but suffers from many of the same problems with probability distribution etc >UI could be a whole lot better, starting with usability improvements like being able to click item slots in ragdoll to filter items by the slot, gear set swapping, a million small usability details like which actions deselect characters, etc, but could go far further
>Absolutely fricked up minigame balance: for instance, colony projects easily become instantaneous, resources infinite, it's better (and on Unfair kinda sorta necessary if you don't want to pray for RNG) to do colony projects to progress ship combat than to do ship combats, you don't have enough loot to progress reputations (the bulk of the progress there too comes from colony projects) so profit factor becomes redundant, etc, etc >Absolutely fricked up skill check balance >In general, for a supposed RPG, I loathe designs like skill checks (and enemies of the same type: it makes sense that a balor/plaguebearer is more dangerous than a cultist, but it doesn't make sense that a cultist in lategame is 20x more powerful than cultist at level 1) scaling following your power. Extremely vertical progression systems in general. >Lack of reactivity in regards to colony management >Checking again every system in Act 4 (I guess some of the new bits are tied to rumors, but rumor interface is shit, and not all of them are)
Like all Owlcat games it's better to wait for when the game is actually playable, judging by the quality drop from act 2 forward it feels like early access.
The entire game falls apart after Act 2. And no, I'm not talking about the bugs, they flat out stopped making content for this game after Act 2 and the rest of the game is a bare bones, unfinished joke.
Arguably the best dungeon in the game is in act 4. They just needed to balance the exploration content between act 2 and 4/5 better, add a bit more to each of the companion quests and fix the balancing, the combat encounters are solid as are the set pieces the whole way through.
the plot of Act 4 is shit. It should be about fighting the Cult on Chorda and Calligos' broken realms. Instead you basically have to go babysit or deal with your competitors when they have their woman and man moments respectively
I won’t argue with you there, the games main strength is it’s general setting and immersion factor and your companions, the overarching plot is weak and is more focused on shoving as much of the universe in as possible. That said anyone who claims the game is “devoid of content” in act 4 and 5 is a disingenuous moron, the issues with the acts are 60% technical issues, 20% underbaked conclusions to companion storylines, and 20% dumb writing
The combat encounters are not solid, the entire combat system as a whole breaks down since Owlcat didn't seem to grasp how a turn based combat system works. I understand they've been mainly making RTwP garbage up to this point, but holy frick how could they not understand one of the bare bones basics of turn based systems, giving additional turns is the most powerful thing you can possibly do.
There is a reason Haste was the most powerful (and mandatory) spell in D&D for three straight editions, and Owlcat somehow completely fails to understand this and creates the Officer class, which utterly breaks the game in half, to the point where if you have more than one of them the game is a joke on Unfair difficulty. That's without even getting into all the bullshit of Arch-Militant, and the fact that combat devolves pretty fast in this game to Alpha Strike syndrome, where whoever goes first wins.
0.1% damage against heretics during estrus. This effect stacks with how much semen you've produced during the last 23 minutes. Only applies during a full moon.
Always acting first is big for getting (de)buffs up and enough momentum to launch a heroic act before any enemy can act. But yeah, combat areas are really clunky, in my opinion basically the only one that matters is rear area for ranged characters that don't have to move that much, so it can be stacked with effects like penetration bonus, making targets inside minimum priority, etc.
It is unfinished. Not """unfinished""" like the parrots love to tout BG3, but actually fricking unfinished. Not even talking bugs out the ass - which is par for the course for an owlcat release, it feels like the game is devoid of content past act 2.
Exploration dries up by Act 3 and it devolves into going to Story Worlds or dealing with your colony's problems. There's not enough Loot to max out any particular Faction and this, alongside not being able to actually hit level cap by the final fight, makes me think there's at least 4-5 solid quests that the developers simply never bothered to complete. While I think the story has promise, the Necron introduction was very clearly rushed and the exploration of Tomb Worlds, while fun, was simply too little too late. It's obvious more care was going to be put into the Necrons like they did the Drukhari, but it never materialized.
This is of course ignoring the bugs and glaring errors in the writing. Some items have misspellings, other items lack names entirely, and some items like the Titanforged Lance can't actually get equipped. Most of these are bearable, however, though they make for a weaker experience.
The game itself, however, is good. This is not a Starfield situation where the gameplay loop is stale and the very bones of the system itself are unforgivable. Rogue Trader is a good game, and I would say it's a good $40 game, but there is absolutely room for improvement.
>Find a flaw.
You mean... apart from the insane amount of bugs which are so rampant you might as well assume that it's just a new Warp god causing all of them?
Alright fine, fine. Here are the big flaws: >no argenta romance >yrilet hardcore handholding is not hardcore enough >no female dark eldar companion >if you use a different ship model, it won't visually change on some aspects (like holograms and maps) >no inquisitor background >when you shoot a rifle (especially a sniper rifle) the bullet sometimes gets fired before the character actually aims the gun >warp effects needs more disclosure especially when it happens and I have no fricking clue what just happened because nor the log nor the character sheet is willing to tell me >game past act 3 is very empty compared to previous acts >would have enjoyed more skills that are luck based, like the Trickster path in WotR, the voidborn is a good start but it's not quite enough
I want to love this game, and in a sense I do, it just needs more content after the half-way point and a LOT of bugfixing.
I'd also love if you could just walk around your ship that isn't your cabin/bridge. Not the entire ship ofcourse but some specific places like gun batteries and so on. The ship is also pretty nice. Should they fix the bugs this game is a strong 7 as far as CRPGs go.
Abelard, I am more or less pleased. Present the next thread for me at your earliest convenience and then steer the ship towards a planet where I can save as many people as possible despite the grim reality of this universe.
eh, he could be an inquisitor trainee and all origin darkest hours could point somewhere which implies why he got sidelined, like most "torment" flaws.
However I do have to agree that it would be pretty fricking silly (or funny) to have an Ordo Xenos inquisitor intern and now he has to put up with all the aliens and heresy the game throws at you.
>Ch. 1 boss has great set-up, genuine pants shit moment, fun little mechanic of him shooting the shuttles >Ch. 2 end boss is heart-racing and a jump in difficulty as the Drukhari have better gear and more abilities >Ch.3 onwards is a slog of actual pain with many bosses having either annoying gimmicks, too many additional enemies, or just getting free turns out of nowhere
Love this game but if I am forced to save-scum my initiative rolls I will simply drop the difficulty for that fight down to nothing and let Argenta mow them down with a single burst-fire.
Like when she got possessed because she was too mind numbingly moronic to think that the thing speaking with ong dead Theodora's voice could be anything other than a fricking daemon?
Is Sotto's Tomb system bugged for anyone else? Says there's 2 planets there, 1 which I didn't explore but when I visit it there's only the 1 ice planet.
>it's still infinitely better than BG3 and has a far more interesting cast of characters
No it isn't you homosexual.
I'm wrapping up chapter 1 now, mostly going full blown heretic whenever I can. Which alignment has the best gear? And just how bad are the so called game breaking bugs? only bug I encountered so far was this fella t-posing after being killed.
It has plenty of flaws but still fantastic game despite that
Best game I've played in years
>No it isn't you homosexual
He's right
RT has way more interesting characters >And just how bad are the so called game breaking bugs?
On release you literally couldn't start fourth act and would get black screen and many quests just had missing triggers
Now everything seems to have be fixed and all that's left is non functional perks and shit
Fricking yes. BG3s characters are fricking homosexuals. I killed nearly every single one in my playthrough since I was fricking around with 2 bros in co op and the game was 100 times better for it. I actually want to play Rogue Trader single player
BG3 characters feel like some OC of blue haired c**t playing DND for the first time
Some characters (like Gale) had potential but everything is ruined by rushed 2nd and 3rd acts and too much emphasis on romance (It's very hard to be just friends)
Also Shadowb***h is just lame and boring
Don't get why everyone's so obsessed with her
>Abelard
Aging Navyman forced into following the lead of a brash young successor to the woman that won his loyalty and will follow that lead forever because he brought his entire family under the Aegis of your Dynasty >Idira
Unhinged drunkard that was kept around because the benefit of her divinations outweighed the threat of her uncontrolled psionic powers >Argenta
Sister of Battle that never got to advance past the beginnings of her service before a warp storm knocked her centuries into the future and now is trapped between going back to a home that no longer exists so her people can awkwardly find a place for her or convincing herself that it all has meaning and she just has to follow the path of the Argenta she was named after
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Unhinged drunkard that was kept around because the benefit of her divinations outweighed the threat of her uncontrolled psionic powers
The game does a shit job of showing it. Half of her divination are just "something bad is going to happen". I half expected her to drop the star wars line
5 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah that's the immediate dialogue but you can also ask her what's up at the start of each chapter to know what threats you'll be facing and get quick breakdowns on each planet in a mysterious and vague way. Like ask in chapter 1 and she'll tell you about each companion.
5 months ago
Anonymous
aberlard is alright i gues
idira i had argenta execute her
argenta i really don't know and don't quite understand why it was so important for her to kill theodora
BG3 characters: >I have a deep troubled past and a nagging problem that I need you to help rectify personally at some point in our journey >also let’s have an anus licking orgy RIGHT NOW!!!
Now for the first point, arguably this applies to Rogue Trader and really any RPG game with companions, but the difference is every single companion in BG3’s entire personality and interactions are defined by that one thing that gives them a quest line. They arent just people living a life who you get to know over time. Also they want to tongue your (and each others) anus every 5 seconds
5 months ago
Anonymous
>also let’s have an anus licking orgy RIGHT NOW!!!
which character are you quoting?
5 months ago
Anonymous
It’s a hyperbole based in truth. BG3s characters are overtly sexual much of the time even when you’re not even trying to pursue that route, and it’s doubly extreme when you do pursue romance and rather than it being romance it’s like you’re being initiated into a Reddit open relationship. RTs characters are a lot more well rounded and had more memorable traits than just their sex characteristics (I’m a hoe and I want a foursome! Oh cool I’m a gay and I take dicks up my ass! Same I want to frick a bear am I right?? Lol!)
5 months ago
Anonymous
That’s exactly why I hated BG3 “romance”. People complain about the gays forcing themselves on you like the biggest issue isn’t that once you actually pursue a romance they are all written awfully and unsatisfying as frick. There’s no way in hell most people finished BG3 solo, the co op experience carried so hard
>it's still infinitely better than BG3 and has a far more interesting cast of characters
No it isn't you homosexual.
I'm wrapping up chapter 1 now, mostly going full blown heretic whenever I can. Which alignment has the best gear? And just how bad are the so called game breaking bugs? only bug I encountered so far was this fella t-posing after being killed.
BG3 is better in technical terms but it has no atmosphere/soul.
The last quarter of the game is so fricking awful. Everything is rushed. >missing locations for companions quests ; ulfar's is litterally a book page >calcazar lore dumps everything at the end of the game, completely detached from what transpired before that gameplay wise. It's just there with no further repercussions >all the best weapons in the game are dumped on you during the last 3 hours giving you no time to use it >combat after combat after combat after combat >necrons are fricking boring to fight >no going back to the main map once you're done >piss easy, the 2 last bosses are complete pushovers and most likely wont do anything because you're brutally overpowered by that point >credits roll for 1+ hour (lol)
FRICK the second part of the game holy shit.
It is genuinely awful.
If you think Comorragh is bad, don't even bother doing the rest. Seriously.
This game is like a flawless 10/10 girl letting you cop a feel and get all horny and restless but once you try to undress her she slips away and gives you blueballs. You keep chasing her and eventually catch up but just as you are about to ravage her you notice that her makeup is gone and she is just a 3/10.
The companion stories and quests all fall apart in the later acts just like everything else in this game past Act 3. There really is no defending this game, it has fun parts and it's ultimately decent just because Act 1-2 hard carry the game, but it is absolutely unfinished and garbage past that point on just about any level you care to examine it on. The story falls apart, combat becomes a joke due to the lack of balancing and intelligent class design, the content becomes nonexistent (look at Act 3, legitimately 3-4 areas total in the entire Act) and you just retread the same map you already explored in Act 2, (imagine only being able to explore the Stag Lord section of the map in Kingmaker, that's this game) it's a dumpsterfire in every regard post Act 3. And that's not even going over the innumerable bugs, of course.
Act 3 is questionable perhaps, Act 4-5 are absolute dumpsterfires. The story doesn't have a satisfying conclusion in ANY way, not a single plot thread was resolved in a satisfying fashion. The final villains feel like they were conjured out of thin air with how little set up they get, nothing about Theodora is satisfyingly resolved or touched on, Kunrad becomes a side mob in Uralons boss fight despite being set up as a major shadowy threat up to that point, and ultimately the game just throws a C'tan shard at you and calls it a day.
The content is not only minimal, but poor. Look at Quetza "loading screens" Temer, do you think that was a solid piece of content? Compare it to exploring Footfall in Act 2 or your three main colonies, it's a gigantic world of difference. Yes, Act 1-2 are good, and they make the game worth playing, but you should not be excusing the absolute TRASH that are the final parts of the game. This is Owlcats third game, they should be improving, not devolving, and Kingmaker AND Wrath both had better end games than this, even though just like this one, they were on the weaker side of the game as a whole.
Not that guy but why couldn't Owlcat just use the fricking suggestions the source material the game is based off gave? Yrliet should be a fricking Corsair with her own warband so there's actual value to recruiting her for your RT, AND so they don't have to do absolutely pants on head moronic shit like having a fricking Eldar travel with you through the Warp. Then again, apparently Yrliet hands you her soulstone at the end of her romance which is even MORE moronic so there was never any hope of Owlcat writing a decent Eldar rep to begin with.
No, they don't. The Eldar avoid the Warp at all costs and only enter it in desperate need when there is genuinely no other choice, and even then, they would often times rather just die than take the chance of being consumed. Their entire identity as a species is centered around avoiding being eaten by Slaanesh, they exclusively travel through the Webway for that very reason. And the Gellar field is a thin membrane that gets fricked over all the time, did you actually play this game and go through all the events where that very thing happens?
The moment an Eldar is truly exposed to the Warp Slaanesh eats them, which to an Eldar is a fate far, far worse than death ever could be. This is also why an Eldar giving anyone, ANYONE, but especially a non Eldar, their soulstone, makes no sense in way way, shape or form, since that little stone is the only thing keeping their soul from getting snatched up to an eternity of torture beyond what mon'keigh can even conceive of.
Lorelet. Even in the Fantasy Flight Rogue Trader it's stated that Eldar use the warp, with Farseers performing the usual functions of a navigator. In Gathering Storm they use the warp, some without even being in a ship much like warp spiders. Corsairs also use Void Dreamers and Way Seekers, trained specifically to lead them through the warp. Yeah, it's preferable and safer that they don't use the warp when practical, but these knife eared morons have never been shown to be risk averse. >did you actually play this game and go through all the events where that very thing happens?
Did you homosexual? She has dialogue for this very scenario you spastic Black person.
5 months ago
Anonymous
That got retconned years ago homosexual, the Eldar flat out do not travel through the Warp AT ALL under virtually any circumstances and exclusively use the webway. Try finding sources that aren't decades old that have long ceased to be relevant, before most of the posters on this board were even born.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Corsair Kill Team was in 2022, have a nice day moron and take your gay headcanon to the grave with you
5 months ago
Anonymous
Frick off you mouthbreather, GW still making Corsair models doesn't mean any of the trash you just spewed is still part of the canon.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Kill Team is just models and not lore
The tourists always reveal themselves eventually. Keep crying Black person, your headcanon is gay and so are you. Die mad
The Eldar in the game are shown as pathetic and shallow weaklings, and the one you get tagging along just seems like she was written by an Imperium fan using the rough idea of what he thinks an Eldar is like. It honestly feels like the Eldar were added to the game just as an afterthought rather than a significant group, at which point you have to wonder why they were included at all instead of just as a cameo like Genestealers.
I just kinda wanted the Eldar to be cool in something.
Eldar will never be cool, that ship sailed long ago, GW relegated them to joke status at least two decades past, and their one chance of redemption (the Ynnari plotline) is being shelved, so they're done. If you want cool Elf types try Warhammer Fantasy, they're actually competent and effective in that setting.
Eldar are cooler than Asur and Druchii just on visuals alone, even before dipping into fluff. Conaidering all three have been Thorpe'd anyways I'll gladly take space elves over fantasy elves.
No, not really. High Elves are pretty accomplished and impressive in Fantasy, and would still be the most dominant race in the setting if they didn't get split apart in their civil war. Regardless, in general, every race in Warhammer Fantasy is at least semi-competent (except maybe the Beastmen), which is a big difference between it and 40K, where only the Imperium (and Chaos once in a while so the Imperium can look cool for stopping them) can ever actually do anything of value or worth.
Eldar we see are basically cut off survivors.
Honestly would have been cool if we had a proper Craftworld to interact with, but then you couldn't give Yrliet her tragic backstory.
Making her an Exodite would make it all the sadder because their souls are stored in the world itself, so not only are her people gone but she is damned unless she finds another world of Exodites.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Which gives her plenty of incentive to travel with you.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah sure wasn't disputing that just something to note.
You don't need the tragic backstory. >Crudarach is still around and is hiding somewhere in Koronus >Yrliet introduces herself as a wanderer and offers her services on Janus, which now has no other Eldar presence >In reality she was sent to spy on (You) since the Farseers foresaw Uralon's arrival and know (You) will play a key role, they just don't know what kind >If you're Inconoclast they offer to help against Chaos, if you're Heretical they try to assassinate you, if you're dogmatic things get complicated depending on which way you're dogmatic >If you're going Heretic you can team up with Calligos and Uralon to destroy them and Chorda >If you accept the Craftworld's help they send you a gift and Yrliet stays on board indefinitely
That' fundamentally alters Yrliet's backstory, unless you're willing to have her betray her Craftworld for you.
The entire point of Yrliet's story, if we cut out all the details, is that she feels she doesn't belong anywhere. Even when Crudarach was still whole she felt she didn't belong that's why she took the path of the outcast. The fact her world was destroyed is just another way in which she feels she doesn't have a home. She searches so desperately for survivors and clings to her dead world so much because she wants to belong and maybe if she can save some of her people she can belong with them again.
And, if you romance her, the ultimate end is that her home is with you. At the end of the day the Farseers are still c**ts and due to her inability to fit in, she can see that. And you give her a place to belong.
So the only way her story would work with Crudarach still being around is if they give the order to assassinate you no matter what but if you do her quest right she refuses and sides with you.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Counterpoint: Owlcat has her leave in all of her endings anyways. Even if she comes back on your deathbed. So much for finding a place to belong.
5 months ago
Anonymous
She leaves and comes back. She's restless by nature so that makes sense. She still comes back to you every time in the romance endings, and sticks with you until you die otherwise.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Cute.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>That' fundamentally alters Yrliet's backstory
Yes anon that's the point.
I still like the Corsair angle better, especially since that is specifically what the tabletop material recommended for an Eldar character that would work with a RT, which also lets her have her own ship she uses to travel through the Webway avoiding the moronic "Eldar in the Warp" bullshit, her own warband so she's actually an asset to hire/recruit for your domain and the expansion thereof, and lets her have any number of agendas of her own that can complement or go against your own.
I would prefer the Corsairs have their own separate inclusion. It's odd they didn't m, considering they were in the art book.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Yes anon that's the point.
Well your point is dumb because her character is very good even if certain portions of her narrative were poorly executed.
An eldar that feels they don't belong anywhere and end up finding a home with a human is an interesting story to tell and while the bit with the betrayal was poorly executed, the overall character's a good one. What would you even make of Yrliet's character otherwise? I mean you're already re-writing her from the ground up. Considering you're not keeping any of the themes they went with, what kind of eldar character would you write?
5 months ago
Anonymous
Instead of making her a petulant brat of an Eldar make a Ranger who actually has better insight to give and is more cooperative than going "Ugh, stupid mon'keigh" every ten minutes. Give her bits of something mystical and alien under the layers of snark.
And drop the stupid romance angle while we're at it. Sure make her open up and be more friendly but don't try to hamfist in some weird doomed subplot.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>stupid mon'keigh every ten minutes
Reminder she never once calls you that unless you leave her behind. Combat dialogue is not a valid assessment of a character in an rpg. >drop the stupid romance angle
And here we see the fundamental issue. You just drink the koolaid GW sells that's all.
The entire reply chain you're responding to is about rewriting Yrliet altogether, though, and plenty of people gave different ideas/versions of what she should have been. And no, her character is not very good, at all, in any way shape or form. Easily the worst written character in this game, by far. At least the next two DLC companions are going to be Imperial characters, since Owlcat has proven with Yrliet (and to a lesser extent Marzahai) they cannot write interesting xenos characters to save their lives.
And here we see more of the GW koolaid being peddled by the kind of homosexual that genuinely shits on Yrliet or Marazhai.
You've got actually no solid arguments. You're constantly blown the frick out. You can't even actually criticize the parts worth criticizing because you froth at the mouth of the characters even being there. Were we doing it your way, there'd be no Xenos except enemies. Which is a fricking moronic take that only Imperiumgays could have. You are genuinely the cancer killing 40k I hope you know that.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I don't mind the idea of Human/Eldar romance, I just don't see what benefit it would have in this case beyond capping off a flawed character story.
5 months ago
Anonymous
The benefit is that it's something people want and it contributed to the character even if you believe otherwise.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>We should keep this mediocre plotline and romance because it makes a few people happy, despite the horrific way of going about it that entails mindbreaking her into being dependent on you
Disgusting.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>it's something people want >people
waifutards aren't people
5 months ago
Anonymous
>waifutards
Okay timmy, I know mommy doesn't like it when your plastic hobby has fanservice. But maybe the solution here is for you to get the frick out instead of ruining it for everyone else.
Also reminder SoB's have sex, human/eldar couples have existed and will continue to exist, Girlyman fricked Yvraine, and just about every faction is more interesting than the fricking space marines. EVERY SINGLE ONE.
5 months ago
Anonymous
You fricking double mon'keigh I've wanted a proper Human/Eldar romance since fricking Love Can Bloom, what Yrliet provides isn't a proper Human/Eldar romance, it's an Eldar getting completely mindbroken by a series of plot contrivances until she's damaged enough that she can only depend on a human.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Your genuinely repeating the meme take on her character story and trying to pass it off as the actual thing.
First off she doesn't get "mind broken". The conclusion of her story (romance excluded) is telling her Farseers and other survivors off for being gigantic fricking morons (which they are) more obsessed with revenge than surviving.
And as for the romance her conclusion is to either sacrifice her soulstone and chance at being healed spiritually to save your life, only to then regain that spirituality thanks to YOUR presence, or alternatively she outright gives you her soulstone. If that isn't a meaningfully written eldar/human romance I dunno.
The lack of physicality is a negative point but it's not the only way you can judge the romance by. Nor is it solely just the romance that's worthy of discussion here.
5 months ago
Anonymous
The lack of physicality though is rather silly. Difficult to shake off the notion that it's just there to placate the nerds who think asexuality is a genuine identity
5 months ago
Anonymous
I find it odd cause if they were worried about xeno sex they would've nuked Marazhai too. Unless it's noldorgays last hurrah and he joined Owlcat specifically to stop us from from breeding her. He was awfully opposed to the idea
5 months ago
Anonymous
>All of my people have abandoned me and now wander aimlessly hoping to be saved by distant cousins as neqrly everything in the sector hunts for them >My spirit stone is broken, condemning me to an eternity of abject suffering when I die >But it's okay because this human treats me like a pet and we get to meditate together sometimes 🙂
5 months ago
Anonymous
>human treats me like a pet
Picking the pet dialogue breaks her romance and it's also a meme. Stop arguing in bad faith using shitty memes and jokes as a serious argument
The lack of physicality though is rather silly. Difficult to shake off the notion that it's just there to placate the nerds who think asexuality is a genuine identity
I wouldn't be able to tell why they made the choice they did. Personally I don't believe it was GW meddling.. I liked the romance but there is a lot of missed potential due to that.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>waifutard mad
5 months ago
Anonymous
If they can't write xenos well, yeah, I don't want them. This is the best character cast Owlcat has ever managed to put together, I even ended up enjoying Idira and Jae, but Yrliet was a complete waste of a slot with how they wrote her, and Marzahai, while better written than Yrliet character wise, makes even less sense to take in your retinue than Yrliet does.
If this is the best they can manage with basic b***h Eldar, who are the closest to Human you can get for a xenos in 40K, I don't even want to see their grotesque attempts at a Freeboota or a Kroot.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Orks will probably be based around their development team googling "Orks 40k Personality Reddit"
5 months ago
Anonymous
>This is the best character cast Owlcat has ever managed to put together
First rpg where I had no problem killing my companions. Usually I just keep them benched. Hard for me to say if it is best or not.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Yrliet's a complete waste of a slot
She's a far more interesting character than Argenta's who's ultimately just your standard SoB or Ulfar's who's just your standard space marine. There's nothing interesting about either of them. Jae's also incredibly poor written. Disappointingly so because I do like her VA. And Abelard a pretty by the books character too.
The only character that has a unique story by 40k standards alongside Yrliet is Pasqal. Everyone else is just whatever archtype they embody.
5 months ago
Anonymous
If it wasn't for Jae she would easily be the most boring character in the game for me
Think it's just you being an eldarfricker
5 months ago
Anonymous
That's down your shit taste. Objectively speaking she's a more interesting approach to an eldar character than Argenta is to her an SoB or Jimmi is to an interrogator.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Watching a freshly painted wall dry is more entertaining than speaking with her
5 months ago
Anonymous
The entire reply chain you're responding to is about rewriting Yrliet altogether, though, and plenty of people gave different ideas/versions of what she should have been. And no, her character is not very good, at all, in any way shape or form. Easily the worst written character in this game, by far. At least the next two DLC companions are going to be Imperial characters, since Owlcat has proven with Yrliet (and to a lesser extent Marzahai) they cannot write interesting xenos characters to save their lives.
I still like the Corsair angle better, especially since that is specifically what the tabletop material recommended for an Eldar character that would work with a RT, which also lets her have her own ship she uses to travel through the Webway avoiding the moronic "Eldar in the Warp" bullshit, her own warband so she's actually an asset to hire/recruit for your domain and the expansion thereof, and lets her have any number of agendas of her own that can complement or go against your own.
5 months ago
Anonymous
She's already an asset. She's a ranger, she gives you insight into things you wouldn't have otherwise and she's a goddamn deadly fricking sniper. Yrliet's already plenty useful with the role she has.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Stop sucking her elfdick.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I'm sucking on her ears.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not really. Saying she's useless is like saying Argenta's useless or Ulfar's useless. They bring unique knowledge and perspectives sure but they're not a material asset to your retinue beyond being very good at killing shit.
Heck the only characters that really brings the sort of support you claim Yrliet lacks are Cassia with her navigator bloodline basically giving your ships free navigator's for decades and Jimmi due to his connections to the inquisition, and even then the inquisitor in question ends up being a heretical c**t anyways.
Abelard's family's already beholden to you anyways, Idira is useful but doesn't provide material assets in that way. Jae arguably after the game's narrative does once she becomes a big shot trader but that's it. Marazhai is basically booted off his Kabal so he's of no use. Pasqal's a magus sure but he doesn't bring a ton of usefulness beyond his ship role and if he becomes Amarat again
5 months ago
Anonymous
She doesn't give any insight into anything, the way she's written she's childishly naivee/stupid about virtually everything and she offers you no information or knowledge you can't get elsewhere, and then there's the whole "I am so moronic I trusted Dark Eldar and walked everyone into a trap" angle on top of everything else.
Like the other anon said, I wanted the Eldar in this game to be competent and cool, and Yrliet is anything but. Then again, I can't recall the last time an Eldar character or storyline lived up to their potential, so nothing new there, Owlcat is just another company that can't pull it off any better than GW themselves can, and so the Eldar remain a pathetic joke, just like always.
>That' fundamentally alters Yrliet's backstory
Yes anon that's the point.
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I would prefer the Corsairs have their own separate inclusion. It's odd they didn't m, considering they were in the art book.
Corsairs are just a cool concept that actually provides real reasoning for a RT to temporarily ally with xenos since you get powerful forces out of it, while having to stay on your toes since, being duplicitous xenos, they always have their own agenda and cannot be fully trusted. You didn't get that kind of cat and mouse game between your RT and Yrliet at all, naturally, it felt more like babysitting a runaway teenager mad at her parents if anything.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>doesn't give any insight into anything
She's the one that takes you to the rebels on Janus and helps you solve that issue. And while she's responsible for getting you into Commorragh she's also the one that gets you out (one of the two possible solutions granted)
She also makes sure Alaitoc doesn't come knocking years later. And again, she's a goddamn deadly eldar sniper.
Also all the xenos based traps she disarmed for me.
5 months ago
Anonymous
You can find and kill the rebels on Janus just fine without her, she offers nothing your ship scanning capabilities didn't already have, and on top of that she conceals that she knows the Eldar are the ones really instigating the civil war until you reach the Farseer. Alaitoc doesn't show up at all if you simply kill all the Eldar on Janus, since they never have any time to contact Alaitoc in that case, so again, she offers nothing unless you were super desperate to make peace with hostile xenos for no reason or benefit to you, your domain, or your people whatsoever.
She's trash. Narratively you have no reason to take her with you past Janus even if you are an Iconoclast character since she offers you nothing of value and in fact poses sizeable risks and potentially incites the ire of other powerful forces in the Imperium. Which would be fine, if she had something to offer to counterbalance that, but she is a lone wandering Outcast with no real assets or networks to counterbalance that.
Yrliet, on the other hand, has plenty of reason to go with you, since she's searching for the survivors of her Craftworld, but YOU are given no reason to take her. It's a massive failing in the writing department that they didn't give you solid benefits and reasons to take Yrliet with you, and ultimately, they even give you major reasons to dismiss/kill her off instead, and I'm not just talking about her betrayal.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>You can find and kill the rebels on Janus just fine without her
That's not a valid argument, because if it were I could say "well you get betrayed regardless if Yrliet's there or not". You have to judge shit as if she's there not otherwise. Of course the game has to provide alternate methods of resolving the issue. >they never have any time to contact Alaitoc in that case,
The eldar on Janus aren't the ones that contact Alaitoc, the ones on Quetza are. >She offers nothing of value
Neither does Argenta. Neither does Ulfar. And any other character but Cassia and Jimmi offer no genuine material benefits, and even those two don't really offer anything that requires them to stay with you. You can give Cassia back to her house and get a free navigator merc and STILL keep the 50 year contract with the Orsellios. Jimmi's presence ends up being worthless because Calcazar's a heretic. So again, your arguments of "nothing of value" are fricking worthless. You can't judge a character's worth based on that. Or maybe you're the kind of guy that says they should have just ridden the eagles to Mordor. >Yrliet, on the other hand, has plenty of reason to go with you, since she's searching for the survivors of her Craftworld
So you just successfully argued against yourself >you have no reason to take her
Again, neither do I have a reason to keep ANY OF THE OTHER CHARACTERS except arguably Pasqal and that requires meta knowledge of the fact he's actually Amarat. A purely pragmatic rogue trader would in fact get rid of almost half their goddamn team. They'd refuse to help Argenta search for some shithole that's likely just a legend. They'd refuse to risk helping Ulfar. They'd just give Cassia back and be done with it. They'd blam Idira. Heck they'd likely even let the trial in act IV proceed and that'd cost Abelard his family, no idea if that makes him leave you but still.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Neither does Argenta. Neither does Ulfar
they add good PR. unlike yrliet who's actually an active detriment to your public image
5 months ago
Anonymous
>they add good PR
So does Yrliet. If you take her with you during your coronation parade her bonuses are better than anyone else's because an RT having a Xeno in their retinue is considered a power move of untold proportions.
Comparatively speaking, having a SoB is not that big a deal. Ulfar sure.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Yrliet and Jae both give +1 to everything, they mog everyone's colony bonuses
5 months ago
Anonymous
It's not like it matters since it all caps out at 10 anyway and you'll easily reach that and then some once you hit Act 4.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>considered a power move of untold proportions.
we're not talking about power moves, we're talking about pr
5 months ago
Anonymous
It's good PR. You're such a powerful RT even the Xenos work under you and do your bidding.
You fundamentally do not understand the world of RT and the Koronos Expanse is not the same as elsewhere. This is the frontier and you're the literal Emperor sent conqueror. Rules don't apply the same to you.
5 months ago
Anonymous
no, it's not good pr. you're not a powerful rt - you're just a little b***h dancing to the tune of a xenos.
See how this works?
5 months ago
Anonymous
No, I don't, because the game proves you factually wrong through the gameplay itself.
Even after she betrays you, you can tell your personal retinue to shut the frick up and accept that your goddamn word is fricking law and they do it. It isn't like going heretic where characters leave. No you tell them you've forgiven her so they shut up because you're the goddamn Rogue Trader. And it has no ultimately negative impact because the game knows this isn't something that would justifiably HAVE a negative impact.
Comparatively speaking for example giving Janus to the eldar is going too far and THAT has a negative impact.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Your entire argument is predicated on the fact that Yrliet is exactly the same as every other companion, which she isn't, because she's an Eldar, a xenos, and as such requires additional justification to take her along. Yes, if Yrliet was some random Scout Marine from a SM Chapter who was searching for his lost and potentially destroyed legion, that would be a fine companion.
But Yrliet is an Eldar, she is by definition part of a hostile and dangerous faction that is intrinsically opposed to the Imperium, and as such bringing her along is inherently a nonsensical choice at its base value, which is why it needs to be adjusted by counterbalancing it with benefits that outweigh that negative state. Which is why in the tabletop setting Corsairs are given as an example since they can ally with a RT and provide benefits that would outweigh the potential risks of working with xenos.
Yrliet is a failure of a character precisely because they did not do this with her, or give any other substantial benefits or gains to counteract the fact she is an Eldar, as they ignored that fundamental facet of her character, ignoring her alien nature altogether in multiple ways. This is why she fails as a character, and this is why I would rather Owlcat not touch any further xenos characters since they clearly aren't going to take the time to give the narrative justification to taking them with you that they should, and will just treat them like any other Imperium character anyway, at which point it's better to simply use Imperium characters to begin with.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>and as such requires additional justification
She's potentially useful. That is ALL the justification needed for a Rogue Trader.
Also, Craftworlders are neither a unified faction nor intrinsically opposed to the Imperium. Try again, timmy.
5 months ago
Anonymous
> because she's an Eldar, a xenos, and as such requires additional justification to take her along
No it doesn't. You're an RT. You can bend the rules. You can sanction Xenos. Her opening story has her aiding you and siding against her own Farseer for you. That's already more than enough reason to trust her and agree to bring her along. >But Yrliet is an Eldar, she is by definition part of a hostile and dangerous faction that is intrinsically opposed to the Imperium
Nobody cares about your Imperium wank. This is an RT game, Xenos being present and part of the party is a good thing. It's in fact a necessesity. If this game had been nothing but human characters it would have been shit for it. In fact, we needed more Xenos. We needed a Necron guy, an Ork, a Kroot, a Tau, just off the top of my head. >Yrliet is a failure of a character precisely because they did not do this with her, or give any other substantial benefits or gains to counteract the fact she is an Eldar
There is no extra required need to counter she's an eldar. This is RT. Xenos as part of the retinue fit in. You're just an Imperiumgay mad that all the slots weren't filled up with your shitty homosexual factions. Heck I'm pretty sure if it were up to you it'd be nothing but space marines and we'd have had to deal with a goddamn Deathwatch game instead of RT.
5 months ago
Anonymous
You're just an xenosgay mad that all the slots weren't filled up with your shitty homosexual xenos
5 months ago
Anonymous
No. I'm mad that the two Xenos we did get constantly get shat on by timmies that are mad their previous space marines weren't the spotlight for once.
I am however, disappointed we didn't get all the other characters I mentioned as possibilities. While all of them would be asking too much, at least a Necron would have been appropriate given the fact Necron tech literally drives the entire plot of the game.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>more than enough reason to trust her and bring her along
Holy shit you're moronic, why did I waste time arguing with a dumbfrick who thinks that's all he needs to trust the most duplicitous and treacherous race in the entire fricked up setting. You don't even appreciate or like Eldar, or what makes them cool, you just wanna frick a red headed Elf (and you can't even do that in this game anyway). We're done here.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>no argument left >resorts to ad homs and pretending he likes eldar even though he's clearly a timmy mad that an eldar took a spot that could have gone to another Imperium faction/more space marine wank
The aeldari NEVER go against their Farseers. The Farseers rule for a reason and the aeldari fricking listen to them. Especially if they're from their own fricking Craftworld and ESPECIALLY if we're dealing with an apocalyptic scenario that Yrliet and the other survivors are dealing with.
Despite the fact that Muaran and the other eldar there are the few aeldari left from Crudarach, despite the fact Muaran is actively TELLING her to go against the humans on Janus. She STILL sides with you and kills her people in your defense because she knows the bigger enemy is the governor and her Slaanesh cult. If you understood and knew eldar half as much as you claim you'd know that's a big fricking deal. An RT with sufficient knowledge of the workings of the aeldari would know that's a huge fricking deal. But lets take it a step back and look at it from the perspective of an RT that isn't that knowledgeable on eldar. She still just sided against what remained of her people for you and your cause. An RT that doesn't get eldar that well (which you could easily be roleplaying as) would see that as more than enough reason to accept her request to bring her along.
So you're wrong on LITERALLY ALL FRONTS. Now go paint your spess marines timmy.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>The aeldari NEVER go against their Farseers. The Farseers rule for a reason and the aeldari fricking listen to them
Farseers are nerds and should only ever be given advisory roles.
5 months ago
Anonymous
They're still the ones in charge even if they're nerds.
It's hilarious how you write all of that first part acknowledging what Eldar are actually, canonically like, and then say Yrliet is a good Eldar character because she specifically does NOT do what an actual Eldar character would do and instead follows along with some random mon'keigh she just barely met as if that's a positive of how she's written, instead of the damning criticism it actually is. Like I said, you're a moron who doesn't appreciate or like Eldar at all, you just want to frick one. Frick off you coomer homosexual.
>follows along with some random mon'keigh she just barely met as if that's a positive of how she's written
Yes, it is, because that mon'keigh actually listened to her, accepted her input and helped her take down a dangerous cult of Slaanesh.
Also you know the entire point of her character is that she feels she doesn't belong anywhere. And she hates Farseers. Which is an interesting take on an eldar.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>They're still the ones in charge even if they're nerds
Not for Best Craftworld.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Biel-Tan is literally the #1 argument in favour of leaving leadership to the Farseers.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Macha is CUTE!
5 months ago
Anonymous
Biel-Tan is for xenocide.
>Strongest Eldar military >Wants to fix the problems of the Eldar Empire rather than wallowing in depression and self-pity >Willing to work with the Imperiun when Maiden Worlds aren't in danger >Even now still leading the Eldar
Oh and also Macha's from there.
>Ynnari
I actually don't have a favorite but if I had to pick I'd pick Ulthwe.
You're still in fricking LITERAL shambles Biel-Tan :^)
Even the outcast nerds at Alaitoc are doing better.
>Even the outcast nerds at Alaitoc are doing better.
Actually they joined with the Ynnari and last time they got featured in something they got massacred by the Imperium and Dark Eldar. Oh and also >Path of the Eldar trilogy
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Wants to fix the problems of the Eldar Empire
Their no.1 problem of Eldar Empire is that the Eldar Empire doesn't exist anymore.
Their no.2 problem of Eldar Empire is that humans exist, which is not a productive attitude when you're outnumbered [arbitrary number]-to-1, either.
5 months ago
Anonymous
The Eldar Empire coexisted with humans before tho, back when Humans were significantly stronger.
5 months ago
Anonymous
They didn't coexist so much as live in a perpendicular reality, with humans occupying most of realspace and Eldar mostly sticking to the Webway, outside of some handful of worlds in the now-Eye and some vanity terraforming projects of the guys that would later become the Exodites.
5 months ago
Anonymous
The Eldar controlled every planet in the Eye of Terror plus damn near every planet on the other end of a webway portal, they didn't live solely in the Webway
5 months ago
Anonymous
There is no "fixing" the problems of the Eldar Empire. It's dead and gone. It ain't coming back.
Biel-Tan are literally fricking delusional and kept denying reality for ten millenia straight, causing them to continously squander their strength and eventually pay the ultimate the price for it.
Like, what the frick is even the sense in "defending" these empty maiden worlds that the Eldar won't have the population to settle for millenia to come, if ever. All Biel-Tan's been doing in a majority of their actions past-Fall is spending irreplaceable lives for useless dirt and vainglorious pride, all while their race was slowly dying out.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Aren't the Maiden Worlds super important since they can contain the souls of Eldar?
5 months ago
Anonymous
It depends on the eldar. For some they are important because they are fellow eldar to others they are degenerated simpletons like their dark eldar cousins thus not worth saving.
5 months ago
Anonymous
That kind of talk is exactly why the mistake that was the Ynnari happened. Rather than consider the potential prospects of a future for the Eldar you just roll over and whine about what's been lost, ready for anyone to come in and walk all over you.
5 months ago
Anonymous
The Ynnari weren't just b***hing about what was lost though. They had an actual legitimate and realistic plan that would have worked given what the lore stated.
Except you know, GW axed it.
5 months ago
Anonymous
The Ynnari 'plan' was to summon a new god and hope he was nicer than the last one as he consumed the entire Eldar race, finishing what Slaanesh began.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Ynnari wouldn't have been like Slaanesh.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>bro I tell you this death cult worshiping a death god wouldn't be the same as the cult that killed 99% of our race LMAO
xenogays are deluded.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I mean, the writing made it clear it wouldn't have been the same, but technically speaking since it never happened or will happen, I suppose we'll never know and you could be right and it would have blown up in their face.
5 months ago
Anonymous
It was over the moment deathwatch shot up Eldrad's cringe ritual.
5 months ago
Anonymous
The only "future for the Eldar" Biel-Tan ever offered was that of complete extinction of the Eldar. Not just the Craftworlders, the delusional twits also want to get the Exodites and Corsairs to joing the mass suicide pact of "restoring the empire" for good measure, too.
And you're outright projecting Biel-Tan's chief problem: That they fundamentally AREN'T offering an actual future. All they offer is a delusional attempt to bring back a by now downright mythical past that is gone forever. And they don't have any actual plan how to do that either, (because any attempt to make one runs into the issue of the objective being absolutely delusional,) beyond trying to fight the whole damn galaxy and win. Somehow. Because that's totally a realistic goal.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Isn't that part of the point of Biel-Tan, though? On some level they know they're doomed, but they would rather go down fighting taking back everything they can, and die as warriors, rather than just slowly fade away into nothing. Yeah they likely have absolutely zero chance, but better to die with blade in hand than just run scared for the rest of your existence. That was how I saw them, anyway.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Well, yes. The main narrative conceit of Biel-Tan is that they're the hyper-traditionalists who still try to pretend that the Fall was totally just a temporary setback and they can bring the empire back. It just so happens that a lot of Biel-Tan fanboys don't realise that it's a fricking delusional goal, and entirely INTENDED that way.
Biel-Tan are the epitome of that good ol' Eldar arrogance, as they're tragically throwing away what's left of their race in pursuit of empty nostalgia for a bygone age rather than accept the facts and fricking adapt to the present. They're the Eldar equivalent of the absolute tools behind the Hexarchy Coup, only nobody's in position to clobber them over the head for their stupidity.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>and they can bring the empire back. It just so happens that a lot of Biel-Tan fanboys don't realise that it's a fricking delusional goal, and entirely INTENDED that way.
Anon I hate to break it to you but being delusional is the basis for pretty much every 40k army besides maybe Orks and Nids. EVERY other faction is delusional. Saying Biel Tan is doesn't make them worse, it makes them fitting.
5 months ago
Anonymous
1. Nice goalpost shifting.
2. Biel-Tan stands out even among the lower end of the pack for just how absolutely over the top the sheer fricking delusion and arrogance of their goals is. Like, most others have at least some remotely plausible path towards achieving their goals. Biel-Tan doesn't, and their behaviour is wholly self-defeating to a degree even the dumber parts of the Imperium struggle to match.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Biel Tan has two outcomes >The Eldar reclaim part of the galaxy and free themselves from Slaanesh, gaining the ability to once again become a major power but now with the knowledge of where the Eldar Empire went wrong and having a solutiom to it; The Paths >The Eldar die, as is the nature of all things, but they do so fighting until the end rather than disappearing with a whimper, and the Rhana Dandra comes to pass.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I mean you can speculate but obviously neither will ever happen because even if GW is intent on wanking the Imperium due to timmy money, they won't outright get rid of the other races because it's still plastic being sold. Eldargays of the tabletop are cucked homosexuals that keep buying rather than cut off shit entirely. Not that them boycotting would make a difference that would help renew the eldar armies (all of them really)
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Following Black Library 'authors' for lore >Not specifically forming /your dudes/ with models you like and your own fluff utilizing the parts of Codex lore you enjoy
The magic of 40k has dwindled, it seems
5 months ago
Anonymous
You're still giving GW money when you buy the plastic. I mean unless you've set up your own 3D printer and make your own shit. In which case you're doing exactly what you should.
The fact is though if you give GW money directly you're supporting their stupidity and their timmy wank. And the sad thing is, fittingly, no amount of boycotts or fighting will change how things are. Eldargays are just as doomed as the eldar themselves. Lion's new model sold out in what? Minutes or something right? Timmy's money is simply too powerful, and Timmy will never accept or be okay with lore where the eldar are good.
The best you can hope for is games like RT that are small time so GW doesn't bother and Timmy hopefully ignores (though given this thread, even that's unlikely)
5 months ago
Anonymous
>The Eldar reclaim part of the galaxy
That's not an outcome, that's pure delusion. Made worse by the fact that Biel-Tan aren't aiming for "part of the galaxy", the morons literally insist on having to "defend" or "take back" every single old Eldar/Maiden world in the galaxy.
>muh die with a whimper
Except that's exactly where Biel-Tan's oh-so-glorious last stand leads. Other craftworlds not being this delusional means there's at least a chance of survival there, unlike with the morons who wanna LARP as Imperial Japan ca summer 1945 and throw their lives away to the for the sake of vapid pride. The same kind of pride that got their whole damn species to the brink of extinction to begin with. Biel-Tan are literally the one Eldar faction rivalling the motherfricking Drukhari in sheer failure to learn from the Fall.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Biel-Tan is for xenocide.
5 months ago
Anonymous
No, it's the "take" of a writer simply writing a Human character and completely disregarding the actual lore and nature of the alien race they're supposedly portraying.
5 months ago
Anonymous
No it's not, again you're just butthurt a Xenos character was actually interesting and unique for once instead of a set of fricking memes and stereotypes.
That it didn't always work is beyond the point. She's still an interesting character and arguing "muh lore" is not a goddamn valid fricking argument.
Get fricked timmy. I know what you are
5 months ago
Anonymous
I am specifically saying I dislike Yrliet because she FAILS to actually be what an Eldar should be and instead is written as a basic b***h Imperium character with pointy ears. The fact you somehow like what is easily the worst written character in the game does nothing but signal to all your objectively shit taste and complete lack of appreciation for the Eldar as written in 40K, so stop trying to pretend you actually like the race and faction when its clear you don't.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>FAILS to actually be what an Eldar should be and instead is written as a basic b***h Imperium character with pointy ears
And I'm telling you your take is fricking moronic. What exactly is an "eldar" to you? That they all have to be duplicitous c**ts that put their people above everyone else, something that is PROVABLY a moronic take? That she's able to move past her prejudices to be your comrade or lover is exactly what makes it an interesting character. >complete lack of appreciation for the Eldar as written in 40K,
Yes, I have a lack of goddamn appreciation for the eldar as they're currently written because the majority of writings involving the eldar are fricking moronic Timmy tier wank made so timmies feel comfy asking mommy for their super cool space marines and spouting "hahaha kill all xenos lol" grimderk homosexualry. The VAST FRICKING MAJORITY of official GW lore from their books and rulesets is fricking moronic and has been for almost two goddamn fricking decades now, and eldar being duplicitous c**ts that to their goddamn detriment constantly betray everyone not them is part of that goddamn issue. That's not the appeal of the eldar.
The appeal is the same appeal of almost every elf race only in space. A race that once ruled the galaxy utterly doomed by their own hubris and degeneracy, made even more interesting by the fact that every one of them to a person is cursed by Slaanesh. That sense of doom that follows all of them, and how it informs their characters, is what makes them interesting to read about on the few times GW doesn't just make them moronic "hurr durr we betray you now" idiots.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Maybe actually have an Eldar as written in the lore that would actually listen to her Farseers and have real reasoning behind joining a fricking mon'keighs crew aside from "I HATE EVERYONE AND TRUST NO ONE WHICH IS WHY I WILL INSTEAD TRUST THIS RANDOM STRANGER RATHER THAN THOSE WHO HAVE GUIDED AND PROTECTED MY PEOPLE SINCE TIME IMMEMORIAL" or you know just make her a fricking Corsair and give her some actual agency in the story.
It was over the moment deathwatch shot up Eldrad's cringe ritual.
That was truly one of the stupidest things GW ever wrote, just have the ritual fail for some other reason or some other interference from some other faction, but since the Imperium has to do EVERYTHING in current 40K lore, it had to be Deathwatch. So you get the incredible event of having Deathwatch straight up say "yeah well we'd rather the galaxy fall to fricking CHAOS than let the xenos live" which was moronic even for 40K.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Deathwatch was tipped of by Vect trying to sabotage Eldrad to keep up the status quo.
5 months ago
Anonymous
It still makes no sense for them to interfere in a ritual designed to frick over one of the Gods Of Chaos, their primary and biggest threat. If they really, really wanted to kill Eldar no matter what they could just wait for the ritual to end and THEN kill them. It's nonsensical and stupid with how that whole event was written and went down, but that's GW 40K lore in general over at least the last decade, so yeah. At least they keep finding a way to up themselves, "SPEED OF DARKNESS" is perhaps the greatest low ever reached in 40K fiction and sci-fi/fantasy in general in quite some time.
5 months ago
Anonymous
> "SPEED OF DARKNESS" is perhaps the greatest low
The Eldar brainwashing Matt Damon to kill MLK wasn't enough of a tipoff that Abnett reached his expiry date?
5 months ago
Anonymous
He also gave us the perpetuals. I want him and Thorpe servitorised at this point
5 months ago
Anonymous
So they can continue to work?
5 months ago
Anonymous
Ollanius Pius becoming some sort of capeshit superhero is fricking mind-boggling.
Everyone responsible for the shitpile that is the HH series should be taken out behind the shed for ruining the 'shrouded in mystery and half-truth' appeal of the era.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Dan Abnett really likes his special snowflakes.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Dan Abnett really likes his special snowflakes.
Oh and he is literally a capeshit writer. He wrote the best Marvel crossover event in modern times (coincidentally an intergalactic war against extradimensional armies)
5 months ago
Anonymous
>shrouded in mystery
You know why the HH exists? To show how marines were once modified humans with actual personalities and in 40k they got turned into hypo-indoctrinated morons with a "know no fear rule" and a complementary eagle on the cheast.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>You know why the HH exists?
Because Badab was popular,
because GW (always) wants to shill you more plastic,
and to appeal to the capeshit audience.
Any narrative reasons come in dead last.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I genuinely wonder if you've even played the game
Yrliet doesn't side with us over a matter of trust. She sides with us because once we take her along during the investigation she outright KNOWS that Janus is being infected with Slaanesh AIDS and she KNOWS Muaran also knows and does fricking nothing about it.
And she rightfully calls her Farseer a fricking moron for going full Biel-Tan instead of actively fighting THE GODDAMN THING RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ENTIRE RACE'S PERDITION.
If Yrliet's unlike an eldar it's only because she's a REASONABLE THINKING INDIVIDUAL. And since we are willing to take out the governor with her, she sides with us.
5 months ago
Anonymous
An actual Eldar character would still trust their Farseer character since they understand they make their decisions based off of long term reasoning and understanding. Yrliet doesn't act like an Eldar, however, and instead acts like a Human female and becomes irrationally angry at Muaran not doing what she thinks is best, despite her having no qualifications or the assigned role to make that kind of decision to begin with. She just spergs out and betrays her entire people and the Farseer because she's mad, for a random alien stranger she met a few hours ago. And you consider that good writing? Please.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Thing is Eldar really don't trust Farseer's as they are quite literally lost deviants. The only craftworld that takes their ramblings seriously is Ulthwe and only because they have been stuck on a collision course with the eye of terror for millennia.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Muaran wasn't making any decisions based on reason and understanding and that was clear to anyone reading the goddamn words on the screen. He was made with revenge and wanted to inflict as much damage on the race responsible for the death of Crudarach, even if the individuals of said race had nothing to do with what happened. And hey, there's another thing Yrliet's a good character at. Despite the poorly written betrayal bit, she still recognizes that ultimately you are not responsible for Theodora's sins, and it'd be irrational to believe it so. >no doing what she thinks is best
What is best* >despite her having no qualifications or the assigned role to make that kind of decision to begin with
And yet she's still right. Heck she's right about ever criticism she levels at the moronic Farseers of her homeworld. Despite Theodora pulling the trigger they were ultimately responsible because they KNEW shit was going to end badly and they still steered the caftworld into the shitstorm. I don't envy the choices they had to make but it's a fact it was ultimately their fault. >She just spergs out and betrays her entire people and the Farseer because she's mad
Again because her Farseer's willingly ignoring Slaanesh taint. >a random alien stranger she met a few hours ago
Stranger that helped her and supported her when she needed it >And you consider that good writing? Please.
Yes. Again I ask, why do you want eldar that "act like eldar" if GW's take on eldar is fricking shit by your own admission?
5 months ago
Anonymous
You are legitimately trying to justify an Eldar turning their back on the survivors of their (recently destroyed Craftworld) and helping to kill them because said Eldar believes that her Farseer prioritizing the mon'keigh infestation over the Slaanesh taint (which was a result of the mon'keighs actions, anyway) is apparently a crime worthy of betraying her entire people because a guy she met a few hours ago helped her kill a few mon'keigh her people were manipulating from the shadows. If you do not see the incredible gaping holes in this contrived and ridiculous scenario, there's no point in discussing it further.
Also, to finalize the other point, I want Eldar to act like they are portrayed as anytime the Imperium isn't involved, crafty, brilliant, daring, and valorous, fighting against an inevitable doom they know full well they cannot ultimately win against. Rage against the dying of the light, and all that. I find it bizarre you actually like Yrliet when she is a typical GW written Eldar, incompetent, stupid, who commits random and nonsensical betrayals due to seemingly either shocking incompetence or stupidity, or arrogance of such heights it leads them to both or one of the latter and former, and who are ultimately ineffectual dunces who only exist as the Imperial characters sidekick, pet, or punching bag. And that is Yrliet to a T. GW would be proud.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>that picture >that post
Have I been arguing with Noldorgay this entire time? Anyway >Apparently a crime worthy of betraying her entire people because a guy she met a few hours ago helped her kill a few mon'keigh her people were manipulating from the shadows
Yes? His actions were directly giving the governor power because she could then justify her mass sacrifices and disappearances using the rebels as fuel. The situation on Janus was that the people being oppressed by a literal Slaanesh worshipper were then being manipulated into serving Muaran who just used them as fodder and gave the Slaanesh worshiper more fuel.
And also, Yrliet didn't set out to start a fight. She was pissed and rightly so at Muaran but the goal was to talk him down. And you can actually do that without giving the planet over (he then even helps you in the final fight). But ultimately the likely outcome is a firefight because Muaran is blind due to his own hatred. The lesson being Farseers are not above reproach and Yrliet is reasonable enough to understand that, due to her own experiences. >I want Eldar to act like they are portrayed as anytime the Imperium isn't involved, crafty, brilliant, daring, and valorous
That literally hasn't happened in a piece of GW fiction in almost two decades now. And funny enough some of the better eldar lore is RT related where they interact with humans. Should read the tabletop rulesets sometime for RT.
And as for your take on Yrliet that is a gross simplification and again I question if you genuinely payed attention or just read random screenshots posted in these threads. Yrliet is never presented as incompetent or stupid, merely desperate enough to trust Marazhai. And her arrogance is something that right from the start she can put aside and ultimately gets over (even the ending slides if you go path of the warrior that she came to view the RTs crew not just the RT as comrades)
5 months ago
Anonymous
>trusting Dark Eldar >not incredibly incompetent and shockingly stupid
Alright, we're done, you're going to defend this character no matter what anyone says regardless of how she was actually characterized and written.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Now who's totally missing the point?
Eldar don't see the dark eldar as the depraved horrible things they really are. They still see them as kin even if they' know they're fricked in the head.
She was without any recourse, she now believed you might even have been involved in Crudarach's destruction. Marazhai told her where to find information on survivors. Of course she leapt on it. Though to clarify I still think it was a poorly written segment and it could have really done with a different execution.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>So you get the incredible event of having Deathwatch straight up say "yeah well we'd rather the galaxy fall to fricking CHAOS than let the xenos live"
The Eldar were literally attacking humans to pose as a distraction for the ritual, maybe if they wanted to be believed they shouldn't have been killing everyone before and during their first attempt?
5 months ago
Anonymous
if that were the case they would have let you frick her
5 months ago
Anonymous
It's hilarious how you write all of that first part acknowledging what Eldar are actually, canonically like, and then say Yrliet is a good Eldar character because she specifically does NOT do what an actual Eldar character would do and instead follows along with some random mon'keigh she just barely met as if that's a positive of how she's written, instead of the damning criticism it actually is. Like I said, you're a moron who doesn't appreciate or like Eldar at all, you just want to frick one. Frick off you coomer homosexual.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Based xenos appreciator. Seriously my RT would add pretty much any xenos to the party just for the novelty, cool lore and chance to annoy the local dogmatics.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>she offers nothing
She ooffers nigh-irreplaceable and unattainable knowledge, experience and skills. And no, you being in absolute, baseless denial does not change that fact.
Wait so not until I had to do a shitty stealth section in a fricking crpg, but it's bugged too because I can't do anything after opening all the valves
Every single person who has played it for two hours has found some kind of a bug, it's impossible to not find a flaw.
The most glaring flaw is everything beyond act 3, it's painfully obvious that they don't have a QA team and only the first three acts were beta tested
The warp travel map fricking SUCKS
The way the routes are represented between each point makes them very hard to read, especially if multiple same color routes cross over each other.
Also the fact that the only routes that "light up" are the ones in the system you're in means this is further compounded if you're trying to plot a course to a further destination
Anyone who can force their ballsack through the creative equivalent of a dung encrusted cheese grater that is fantayslop should be refreshed by how much better and more interesting the setting and characters are
I like how this dude has the cheek to say shit like that when he has done more to hurt humanity and the Imperium in the expanse than any Xenos over the course of the game.
all of cumrag
you have been working you ass off to fix the protectorate only for you to railroaded into a "lol you progress is reset lmao" area for no fricking reason
its should have been the moment when you as a rogue trader actually are able to use that power but then they strip it away from you
Maybe, but if there is then its incredibly dormant,
There is a macguffin in one of the Cain books that can awaken dormant psyker abilities. But research into it was at a pretty early state when the Necrons came knocking to get it back.
Almost certainly yes given there are whole psyker/blunt species and even different flavours of Marine gene therapy produce psykers/Librarians at different rates.
Am I missing something about the sabotaging happening on Dargonus in act 4?
It's obviously not caused by the Werserians and I managed to find that out, but then the game just wants you to decide which family to murder based on no evidence?
If you have found the dead guy, and exhausted all the dialogue options, including with the govenors son.
then talk to Abelard and he will ask you to start the sentencing while he checks for the guilty person, and then just wait with accusing anyone specific until he gives you a signal.
I assumed something like this existed.
By dead guy do you mean the corpses of the robots infront of the palace?
Also how do I talk to Abelard? He is in my part.
Theres a guy praying in the lower part of the palace, talk to him. After that check up with everybody so you know you havent missed any information and then initiate the sentencing
Thanks it worked, until the game bugged out and ended the conversation when I accused house Sauerback and told Abelard to take it away. For some reason I could initiate it again by talking to one of the Drivestems, but the Sauerback option wasn't there anymore.
Fricking Owlcat
You also have to follow up on the dialogues, like checking on that guy who is standing stone cold dead in front of the shrine since Regina murdered him with her poison, or you won't catch her.
I need someone to fricking explain to me, why I can use that three torpedo salvo, or boarding party
I have no idea what am I doing wrong and it drives me insane yes I didnt double checked how sisyphus is spelled
I chose the Sauerback's and Abelard mentioned something about them working with Voigtnir or whatever the frick the traitors name was so I guess I guessed correctly?
Meanwhile AM gets 3% armor per stack of versatility, plus the act3 boss cape that gives 1% damage resistance per stack of versatility, and they can get 100+ stacks of versatilityin one round of combat
I stopped playing after act 3 and decided I will wait until all dlc and patches are out. But now I am wondering will they even fix chapter 4 and 5? Will they add more locations on the sector map? It is unfinished but is there even a chance that they will finish the game?
Yes. They wrote two good acts and even got people to pay them to be their beta testers, then people reached act 3, 4 and 5 and the realization came that we were indeed trolled hard
If he was a he, then Marazhai would be a she, and all this shit would be about Marazhai instead of Yrliet
Fact is a good majority of 40kgays are timmies that don't want anything but their precious Imperium discussed. Even if Yrliet didn't have her betrayal plotline, even if the character had a sex scene in game, they'd STILL b***h because anything not Imperium is bad and "muh grim darkness"
Heck they shit on the Cassia romance, or people that complain about lack of an Argenta one, because these subhumans fundamentally are emotionally stunted and can't handle any story being told that isn't about their shitty grimderp memes.
>If he was a he, then Marazhai would be a she, and all this shit would be about Marazhai instead of Yrliet
He's even worse than her so yeah, rightfully so. I can't imagine how annoying the eldargay + Camtard combination would be, we dodged a bullet with that one
Anyone know how to fix Jae's act 4 quest? I'm supposed to pump the gas into the vents but I can't, there's no icon on the cogitator to do it. I already reloaded and redid the entire fricking quest so clearly the only thing left to do is to use toybox to somehow enable this
And no, going to the quest tab and completing it didn't work
Noldorgay hasn't been on these boards or /tg/ for at least a year, maybe two. Guy vanished into the mists a long time ago, but I suppose his specter will always haunt any discussion involving Elves of any kind, even space Elves.
No, he isn't. Noldorgay was pretty recognizable, he would post images of (usually male) Elves in some kind of warrior gear or in battle with almost every one of his posts, and he had a frickton of them. He also would constantly bring up Tolkien, and occasionally WHFB Elves and say they were the only two Elves ever done right and everyone should follow their example. One guy saying he thinks Elves shouldn't be sex objects or some shit isn't Noldorgay, it's just some homosexual from twitter who would say that about any hot female, knife ears or no.
>i-it's j-just noldorgay
If it was noldorgay they'd not shit on people claiming the romance is bad, and in fact would support the romance being removed.
Shits up any thread remotely related to elves in fiction, and would do so on multiple threads across multiple boards simultaneously. He would start posting within minutes (at most) of a thread being made. Seems to have a troon like association to elf men and takes any reference to male human/female elf as if he were personally cuckolded. Shits up the thread with the same library of images for each thread, of which he has several hundred images of male elves per franchise whether it be WoW, 40K, etc
>Jae talks about how she's lowborn scum in her little party in edgy elf city >Cassia immediately starts parroting about how she may be lowborn but with a soaring spirit she can- >"Cassia, please shut the frick up."
kek
act 3 and beyond broken as frick
gameplay loop is spam bring it down on argenta
no verticality to the maps
half the audio lines are missing
excel spreadsheet simulator
Paid a visit to the frozen prince system today after reaching Act II. Mostly just been exploring and gathering cargo to sell up to now, but I found a squad of CSM and a helbrute, so I guess I'm not meant to be over that way yet.
>*Lies*
What the frick is wrong with space marines? I just asked him innocuous questions about his chapter, why does this take Perception checks left and right?
I'm not far enough in the game to know the slides but a lot of a chapters culture is closely guarded for the initiated. Granted, Space Wolves are one of the more gregarious and friendly chapters to normies, even making sure they have non-astartes strength ale for their serfs during feasts and shit.
Space wolves in particular? Well first of all their geneseed is deviant and causes mutations. Second they worship a warp entity as a god besides the Emperor. Third, killed inqusitors and other imperial servants to keep their secrets.
No, the Space Wolves killed Inquisitors because they were infuriated about them sterilizing and purging the men and women in the Imperial Guard after they valiantly saved said world from Chaos. Wolves really place a huge emphasis on honor in battle and they felt that the Inquisition had no right to do that to warriors who fought so well and so hard, not only failing to reward them, but straight up killing them off or shipping them off to slave labor camps to work them to death, simply to keep word of Chaos from spreading.
It's not about "hiding", Ulfar for example specifically tells you he is not going to sing the tales of his fallen battle brothers to you because you aren't worthy, and the spirits of his brothers would be enraged if he did so, since you are not an honored brother that they spent centuries fighting alongside against the greatest terrors and horrors in the galaxy. And that's perfectly understandable, it mentions multiple times in your dialogues with Ulfar you are never really going to fully understand him since he's a nigh immortal killing machine that lives and breathes war, who has been around for centuries before you, and will likely be around for centuries afterwards.
Space Wolves have had multiple in canon(like codex/rulebook level canon not just Black Library novels) run ins with the Inquisition. It makes sense for them to be cagey.
>even making sure they have non-astartes strength ale for their serfs during feasts and shit
Tbf they have to, cause mjod would kill them even if it wasn't intoxicating
White Scar or Raven Guard cause I like them and they need more representation
Don't really care about any of the chaos legions besides Night Lords so them I guess.
It's pushing it even having Ulfar, Heinrix, and Argenta tolerate the xenos presence on your ship, having a Black Templar put up with it would be downright impossible.
I don't think it'd be that impossible, but would certainly take some plot relevance for why he's there since Templars are notoriously individualistic if it's not about the chapter. There was a Templar in the Fall of Cadia that I recall developed a begrudging respect for Yvraines champion guy due to their shared views on martial honor. Gods of Mars is an older novel but has a group of, I think, Sword Brethren give their lives guarding a Farseer finishing her ritual to stop a FRICKED situation.
>having a Black Templar put up with it would be downright impossible
Why do lorelet tourists say this. Black Templars helped the Ynnari and travelled with them to Macragge
It would still be a bit of a stretch. The Fall of Cadia was an exceptional circumstance and had the blessing of a literal Imperial Saint in the flesh to take the edge off it.
5 months ago
Anonymous
NTA but I just want more cool Black Templars content. Helsreach is what got me into 40k and they've remained my favorite chapter since.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Black Templars >cool
I don't think there is a more childish and cringe chapter than BT.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>I don't think there is a more childish and cringe chapter than BT Lamenters
5 months ago
Anonymous
I kneel
5 months ago
Anonymous
Well, it would be a single black templar. I'm sure in that situation pragmatism would win out.
Though a black templar wouldn't be interesting in that scenario since their hatred of xenos is a universal non personal thing. If you wanted a space marine with a more personal edge to their hatred you get a Salamander.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Eh, I think a Space Wolf was the best option for a RTs retinue, aren't they occasionally mercenaries that hire themselves out? Though I will say Ulfars reason for being in the Expanse is BULLSHIT, the LAST chapter that would answer a call for help from the Inquisition would be the Wolves. And the Wolves would be the last ones the Inquisition would ask for help, too. At least we get to see Ulfar banter with Jimi as a result, though.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>aren't they occasionally mercenaries that hire themselves out?
No. They have a specific long-standing pact with a major navigator house to provide them a bunch of Marines to chiefly act as bodyguards. Marine chapters don't hire out as mercs.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>aren't they occasionally mercenaries that hire themselves out?
No. They don't travel alone because their geneseed is secretly heretical so they don't want anyone to know. But that's ok. A space wolf is the only marine that can provide some banter most of the other big chapters are deathly serious like the dark and blood angels.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Fair, though for a zealous religious chapter, a living Saint especially one such as Celestine saying friends 🙂 is basically word of God for the Black Templars and would effectively codify their opinion on the matter.
What sort of fricking accent did they give Jae? It's like some mix of Irish and god knows what, or did they just use an Irish VA and tell her to freestyle it?
Yeah I walked around that map because it didn't update the rumor but it has to be that, it was the only place I hadn't discovered the first time I went through KG.
Space Wolves are easily the coolest Space Marine Chapter in the game, throwing furry accusations at them is merely cope from the less interesting and less popular chapters.
For Toybox do you need to put everything in the archive into a folder and name it 0ToyBox0 or do you follow the instructions to the letter and change the 1 folder to 0ToyBox0 and only put that in the unity mod manager?
NigNog psyker alone makes the game a farce. Stupid c**t is a literal door to hell that hell can come out of at any time it likes, and ... you dont fricking shoot her dead immediately.
Thats like bathing in fricking acid and getting mad when you melt to death.
In this case the Acid frequently whispers to you the secrets of the universe so you know about incoming danger. Just don't get too close and you'll be fine.
>Stupid c**t is a literal door to hell that hell can come out of at any time it likes
Don't forget that it literally does because a demon whispered in a mommy voice and she was either too stupid to realise or simply stupid and reckless enough to believe it
Can't be hard to make a game about Eldar corsairs raiding planets and managing resources. Imagine a sandbox game about being a corsair in the 40K universe, aiding fellow Aeldari and even working as a merc for some other factions. Frick, so many good ideas.
Work peace out with the Eldar on both Janus and Qetza, and you're good. If you're in a romance with her, there's an additional step, don't interfere in the ritual she does to contact Alaitoc (which ends the romance), and lets her keep her soulstone, intact and whole, without handing it over to you. It's honestly her best ending, well, aside from simply telling her to stay with her own people after you peaceably resolve things on Janus rather than bringing her into your retinue.
>You have to be in one piece to be in contention Biel-tan gays.
Eat shit, Ynnari, you're nothing but cowards and fools. Even broken, Biel Tan does more for the Eldar than you.
>Ynnari
I actually don't have a favorite but if I had to pick I'd pick Ulthwe.
You're still in fricking LITERAL shambles Biel-Tan :^)
Even the outcast nerds at Alaitoc are doing better.
No, he asked "how do I save her soulstone"
Which obviously means the romance option. You're just a homosexual going for the >hurrr durr she shouldn't give her soulstone
argument like the moronic homosexual you are.
Eh, they retconned Biel-Tan yet again so they're functional now, since they're shelving the Ynnari storyline now that Kirby is out and Slaanesh isn't getting the axe.
Nta and it sucks that you can't do this and still have some kind of "you and Yrliet slowly start to rekindle your romance" outcome. Like what, she doesn't wonder why she's been through all this and RT doesn't try to tell her about meditating together and all that stuff? Feels like a bittersweet ending for the sake of having a bittersweet ending as opposed to something that would make sense.
You have to take the options that have the flag "path of the damned".
Basically it's the choices that have her recognize she isn't responsible for what happened to Crudarach, and she can't keep putting that responsibility on herself.
The other options encourage her to take responsibility for her people (or what remains of them), they're the "path of the warrior" choice.
Other Anons already listed a lot of them but one I really have problems with is how certain companions are written in a way if you Role Play, you have no other solution but to kill them and I think it's shit. Idira, Yrliet & Jae's romance comes to mind. In Jae's case, when you sex her, she lets the whole ship or several thousand people hear you and when you confront her about it as a Rogue Trader, second to the Emperor she even mocks you for it in front of your officers! If you role play, it's instant kill, nothing else would be acceptable.
>If you role play, it's instant kill, nothing else would be acceptable.
This is, in fact, a you problem. Since you can only imagine roleplaying a hard ass with no sense of humor.
I'm not talking about making the ship hear per se but how she mocks you in front of your officers if you confront her on your very own Void ship, on the bridge. I know you like acting like a redditor of planet Earth but a Rogue Trader in Warhammer 40k isn't at all like that, so yes, it makes no sense, it's instant kill. It's not the same universe at all, it's the point of role playing.
First two acts are very well written, albeit combat balance breaks into a million pieces early act 2. Act 3 is playable, but after that you're most likely gonna need a lot of patience and reloading to progress through quests, or use toybox
It's a buggy mess, and last I checked some of the talents didn't work correctly and if you play as an Officer with Seize the Initiative you'll be stuck in a loop on your first turn in combat if you have no allies.
I still love the game, and if you play as a Soldier from a Fortress world you will never stop shooting.
yeah i got rid of idira as soon as i could. who the frick does she, a heretical psyker, think she's talking to? gave her over to the inquisition get fricked you silly little shit.
nah i'm just an emperor praising loyalist. that psyker was heretical and thought she could continue doing her heretical bullshit after theodora kicked the bucket. she deserved getting eternally anal raped by the inquisition. what kind of fricking psyker doesn't know how to keep their mouth shut amidst their betters? absolute clown.
Muh blacks is absolutely fricking moronic anyway. 40k humanity as a whole is genetically farther away from current day whites and blacks than they are from each other, what with all the genetic engineering and assorted shit happening in the Dark Age of Technology and beyond.
I
m in Act 4 and I'm just going to stop playing the game and try again next Xmas. Maybe it will be finished by then. Hopefully they actually improve it and aren't just working on DLC instead.
It gives you more Iconoclast points. And no, the only real choice is feeding them or handing them over to Incendia, how you do that is irrelevant, whether it's for pay or because you're just that fricking moronic. Your RT looks like a gay, by the way, but then again, you're an Iconoclast so that makes sense.
Dogmatic:The thing i hate about good people is that the world doesn't tolerate good people,and it pisses me off when the world fricks a good person over
>its not enough that i act out my epic /misc/ deus vult fantasy in this single player video game, i have to constantly, in every single thread reply to every person that would rather make normal, level headed choices and tell them they are wrong for not having my special brand of psychosis
Take your meds gay.
No idea, but it's naive as frick to do as a RT, basically begging to get taken advantage of.
Your twink might as well romance Yrliet and help the Eldar if you're going down that road
Cassia's fantasies involve being courted by a nobleman, not your gay fantasies. I understand you're gay, but please don't use her to self insert, just play as a female RT or something.
You can eventually get a Khornate Berserker and a Chaos Space Marine on your side if you go Heretic, but it's pretty bare bones since neither of those really have any content and you lose out on four companions who actually have content in the trade since they peace the frick out after you dedicate yourself to the Chaos Gods.
You can get a Word Bearer follower but no one bats an eye. I fact, a lot of people talk how they've heard rumors about this Word Bearer dude and how awful of a person he sounds, and if anyone met them they'd shit their pants from terror, all the whilr he's right fricking there in your paty two feet away from you.
You can also become a Daemon Prince
The combat system feels shallow after Pathfinder. Not a whole lot of options in comparison. However, it's far more intuitive as to what is good and what is shit.
>The combat system feels shallow after Pathfinder
The RT rpg was meant to be simple to facilitate storytelling over combat there was no chance of it being even half as deep as Pathfinder.
Mission accomplished there I suppose. I just wish there was a little more variety but it's still good and like I said far more intuitive than Pathfinder. I think what I really want is to have more active abilities since you really don't get a whole lot as you level.
I really like enjoying maximum bully and jerk in a lot of games, but was wondering if there's a lot of ways to get BAD ENDed for being mean to a character in Rogue Trader. Is it really obvious that an option is going to be instant death in dialogue?
You can refuse a Deldar's orders until he insta kills you. And you can get an insta death if you try to fly back to the Imperium. Those are the only ones ive found.
Yes. It's pretty hilarious.
They drop you off at Rykard Minoris and then of course that entire fricking shitstorm goes down so you die in a daemon world.
The whole game is a flaw.
FPBP, OP consumes massive amounts of penis as always
There's no explicit sex scene where I impregnate Cassia
Your choice is to get cucked into a LDR or if you want to stay with her HAHA SHE MUTATES AND DIES PAINFULLY. The rogue trader can't have shit.
>pure virgin gf that refuses to frick anybody else dooming her bloodline in the process
>KEKED YOU'RE KEKED
She tells you that 🙂
She's the ship's bike one jump after leaving you.
>:)
>cuck fantasies
Found the troon.
It's been two hours, did you really have to reply to him?
Thread is still active, plus I'm not the anon he was replying to if that's what you were trying to imply.
>plus I'm not the anon he was replying to if that's what you were trying to imply
Of course you're not, because that was me, just saying you shouldn't reply to obvious shitposters. He probably moved on to shitpost about the usual Yrlietgay fight we have in every thread anyway
i want her to claw my back when she cums
Based
No, we're monster girl chads, but even furgays are better than futagays
I like the game but
>find a flaw
>in a fricking owlcat game
make better b8
can't romance the best girl incendia and perhaps have a highly dogmatic threesome with her and argenta while hieronymus watches and rants
pirated it to give it a try but my favourite youtuber said he didn't recommend it in its current state because of gamebreaking bugs despite it being a good game so I deleted the game
OP IZ A PHAGGOT
No Tau makes it 7/10
How about bugs for one.
A flaw other than the bugs?
>Too many loading screens (if it's an issue that can be solved with better programming, then programming is at fault, if the loading screens were justifiable based on what's realistically achievable then the fault is not giving enough priority to uninterrupted experience: for instance, instead of doing bridge events launching as you travel between the systems as bridge events, you should have handled them as book events for instance or something else that doesn't take a loading screen)
>Combat too reliant on alpha striking. Now, because lanchester's laws sort of reasoning, alpha striking is necessarily a good tactic. But it can be too powerful: a good half of the options in the game simply don't make sense if it's foolhardy to let combats last longer than the initial turn, and this doesn't lead to very reactive tactical gameplay anyhow. But, if fixing that would mean combats would last longer, which it pretty much does, then that means the ratio of combat to exploration would tip too hard on side of combat because the current ratio is really good, and that too would need to be rebalanced
>The system is certainly better than D&D/derivatives but suffers from many of the same problems with probability distribution etc
>UI could be a whole lot better, starting with usability improvements like being able to click item slots in ragdoll to filter items by the slot, gear set swapping, a million small usability details like which actions deselect characters, etc, but could go far further
>Absolutely fricked up minigame balance: for instance, colony projects easily become instantaneous, resources infinite, it's better (and on Unfair kinda sorta necessary if you don't want to pray for RNG) to do colony projects to progress ship combat than to do ship combats, you don't have enough loot to progress reputations (the bulk of the progress there too comes from colony projects) so profit factor becomes redundant, etc, etc
>Absolutely fricked up skill check balance
>In general, for a supposed RPG, I loathe designs like skill checks (and enemies of the same type: it makes sense that a balor/plaguebearer is more dangerous than a cultist, but it doesn't make sense that a cultist in lategame is 20x more powerful than cultist at level 1) scaling following your power. Extremely vertical progression systems in general.
>Lack of reactivity in regards to colony management
>Checking again every system in Act 4 (I guess some of the new bits are tied to rumors, but rumor interface is shit, and not all of them are)
Like all Owlcat games it's better to wait for when the game is actually playable, judging by the quality drop from act 2 forward it feels like early access.
The entire game falls apart after Act 2. And no, I'm not talking about the bugs, they flat out stopped making content for this game after Act 2 and the rest of the game is a bare bones, unfinished joke.
Arguably the best dungeon in the game is in act 4. They just needed to balance the exploration content between act 2 and 4/5 better, add a bit more to each of the companion quests and fix the balancing, the combat encounters are solid as are the set pieces the whole way through.
the plot of Act 4 is shit. It should be about fighting the Cult on Chorda and Calligos' broken realms. Instead you basically have to go babysit or deal with your competitors when they have their woman and man moments respectively
I won’t argue with you there, the games main strength is it’s general setting and immersion factor and your companions, the overarching plot is weak and is more focused on shoving as much of the universe in as possible. That said anyone who claims the game is “devoid of content” in act 4 and 5 is a disingenuous moron, the issues with the acts are 60% technical issues, 20% underbaked conclusions to companion storylines, and 20% dumb writing
The combat encounters are not solid, the entire combat system as a whole breaks down since Owlcat didn't seem to grasp how a turn based combat system works. I understand they've been mainly making RTwP garbage up to this point, but holy frick how could they not understand one of the bare bones basics of turn based systems, giving additional turns is the most powerful thing you can possibly do.
There is a reason Haste was the most powerful (and mandatory) spell in D&D for three straight editions, and Owlcat somehow completely fails to understand this and creates the Officer class, which utterly breaks the game in half, to the point where if you have more than one of them the game is a joke on Unfair difficulty. That's without even getting into all the bullshit of Arch-Militant, and the fact that combat devolves pretty fast in this game to Alpha Strike syndrome, where whoever goes first wins.
0.1% damage against heretics during estrus. This effect stacks with how much semen you've produced during the last 23 minutes. Only applies during a full moon.
I hate Grand Strategist. It's basically useless accept for melee because of how quickly the battlefield conditions change.
Always acting first is big for getting (de)buffs up and enough momentum to launch a heroic act before any enemy can act. But yeah, combat areas are really clunky, in my opinion basically the only one that matters is rear area for ranged characters that don't have to move that much, so it can be stacked with effects like penetration bonus, making targets inside minimum priority, etc.
I've been thinking that it's definitely a role that would work better in RTwP.
Its 6/10
If it came out in a better year where it didnt have to go against Baldurs Gate and get squashed in the process, maybe it could climb to 7/10
Be a 9/10 if it was 5 chapters of the first 2 chapters. Fricking owlcat.
it's not pathfinder
He said flaw
yes indeed
It is unfinished. Not """unfinished""" like the parrots love to tout BG3, but actually fricking unfinished. Not even talking bugs out the ass - which is par for the course for an owlcat release, it feels like the game is devoid of content past act 2.
You didn’t play the game past act 2. The state of BG3 act 3 a month after launch and this games act 4 and 5 are virtually identical
act 4+5
Can't give Vistenza the big heredick.
You mean you can't redeem and impregnate her as an IconoGOD?
You can redeem her.
you can try but then her handmaid stabs her
Yes you can, but her handmaiden is an owlcat employee so she immediately kills her to stop you from even thinking about a romance.
the origins are very poorly balanced. why ever pick commissar or navy officer over psyker or crime lord
Navy Officer would be nicer if it didn't rely on humping a party member which is a death sentence. I'm starting to hate the Noble origin too.
Forge World Crime Lord Operative is the most efficient Rogue Trader due entirely to the talent that switches Fellowship to Intelligence.
Chapter 4 and 5 are bugged and the story is disjointed and ass.
unplayable until Definitive Edition releases, just like every owlcat game.
Exploration dries up by Act 3 and it devolves into going to Story Worlds or dealing with your colony's problems. There's not enough Loot to max out any particular Faction and this, alongside not being able to actually hit level cap by the final fight, makes me think there's at least 4-5 solid quests that the developers simply never bothered to complete. While I think the story has promise, the Necron introduction was very clearly rushed and the exploration of Tomb Worlds, while fun, was simply too little too late. It's obvious more care was going to be put into the Necrons like they did the Drukhari, but it never materialized.
This is of course ignoring the bugs and glaring errors in the writing. Some items have misspellings, other items lack names entirely, and some items like the Titanforged Lance can't actually get equipped. Most of these are bearable, however, though they make for a weaker experience.
The game itself, however, is good. This is not a Starfield situation where the gameplay loop is stale and the very bones of the system itself are unforgivable. Rogue Trader is a good game, and I would say it's a good $40 game, but there is absolutely room for improvement.
>Find a flaw.
You mean... apart from the insane amount of bugs which are so rampant you might as well assume that it's just a new Warp god causing all of them?
Alright fine, fine. Here are the big flaws:
>no argenta romance
>yrilet hardcore handholding is not hardcore enough
>no female dark eldar companion
>if you use a different ship model, it won't visually change on some aspects (like holograms and maps)
>no inquisitor background
>when you shoot a rifle (especially a sniper rifle) the bullet sometimes gets fired before the character actually aims the gun
>warp effects needs more disclosure especially when it happens and I have no fricking clue what just happened because nor the log nor the character sheet is willing to tell me
>game past act 3 is very empty compared to previous acts
>would have enjoyed more skills that are luck based, like the Trickster path in WotR, the voidborn is a good start but it's not quite enough
I want to love this game, and in a sense I do, it just needs more content after the half-way point and a LOT of bugfixing.
I'd also love if you could just walk around your ship that isn't your cabin/bridge. Not the entire ship ofcourse but some specific places like gun batteries and so on. The ship is also pretty nice. Should they fix the bugs this game is a strong 7 as far as CRPGs go.
Abelard, I am more or less pleased. Present the next thread for me at your earliest convenience and then steer the ship towards a planet where I can save as many people as possible despite the grim reality of this universe.
inquisitor would just frick off the moment he hears that he is at risk of being downgraded to rogue trader
eh, he could be an inquisitor trainee and all origin darkest hours could point somewhere which implies why he got sidelined, like most "torment" flaws.
However I do have to agree that it would be pretty fricking silly (or funny) to have an Ordo Xenos inquisitor intern and now he has to put up with all the aliens and heresy the game throws at you.
I can't beat the act 1 boss on unfair
>Ch. 1 boss has great set-up, genuine pants shit moment, fun little mechanic of him shooting the shuttles
>Ch. 2 end boss is heart-racing and a jump in difficulty as the Drukhari have better gear and more abilities
>Ch.3 onwards is a slog of actual pain with many bosses having either annoying gimmicks, too many additional enemies, or just getting free turns out of nowhere
Love this game but if I am forced to save-scum my initiative rolls I will simply drop the difficulty for that fight down to nothing and let Argenta mow them down with a single burst-fire.
Act 1 is just so damn kino. How did they frick it up so bad?
Rumor has it Rogue Trader was a rush job and part of reason Act 5 in WoTR was also shit. It fell into laps but they had to shut it out asap.
Source: Idira
Idira would take any excuse to slander owlkek because they killed her precious Theodora in the prologue
I trust the voices in the walls. And Idira has always been good at disseminating information from them
Like when she got possessed because she was too mind numbingly moronic to think that the thing speaking with ong dead Theodora's voice could be anything other than a fricking daemon?
Fake news. Happens to the best of us.
Is Sotto's Tomb system bugged for anyone else? Says there's 2 planets there, 1 which I didn't explore but when I visit it there's only the 1 ice planet.
the bugs, like half the talents not working. but even so, it's still infinitely better than BG3 and has a far more interesting cast of characters.
>it's still infinitely better than BG3 and has a far more interesting cast of characters
No it isn't you homosexual.
I'm wrapping up chapter 1 now, mostly going full blown heretic whenever I can. Which alignment has the best gear? And just how bad are the so called game breaking bugs? only bug I encountered so far was this fella t-posing after being killed.
It has plenty of flaws but still fantastic game despite that
Best game I've played in years
>No it isn't you homosexual
He's right
RT has way more interesting characters
>And just how bad are the so called game breaking bugs?
On release you literally couldn't start fourth act and would get black screen and many quests just had missing triggers
Now everything seems to have be fixed and all that's left is non functional perks and shit
>RT has way more interesting characters
Does it, though?
>Hotwifeheart
Yes, easily.
Fricking yes. BG3s characters are fricking homosexuals. I killed nearly every single one in my playthrough since I was fricking around with 2 bros in co op and the game was 100 times better for it. I actually want to play Rogue Trader single player
yes. Also more likable. bg3's only likable character is astarion
You being a homosexual that wants to frick him doesn't make him likeable, he's one of the worst ones and that's saying something.
counterpoint: you being a constantly seething humourless moron doesn't make not likable
This. Astarion's a based mischievous butthole. He's not even evil, just opportunistic and finds it funny.
>Astarion is not even evil, he's just evil
u ok there buddy?
being a bunch of buttholes with astarion and laezel was the best
Yes, 100% it does.
At least post Minthara or Karlach or frick I'll take Astarion
YES
BG3 characters feel like some OC of blue haired c**t playing DND for the first time
Some characters (like Gale) had potential but everything is ruined by rushed 2nd and 3rd acts and too much emphasis on romance (It's very hard to be just friends)
Also Shadowb***h is just lame and boring
Don't get why everyone's so obsessed with her
Yea, Pasqal alone is better than the whole BG3 cast. His bants with the xeno are hilarious.
>>RT has way more interesting characters
This statement is true.
>Posts the 2nd most boring character in Baldurs Gate 3
so funny all the responses never specify how RT has more interesting characters
>Abelard
Aging Navyman forced into following the lead of a brash young successor to the woman that won his loyalty and will follow that lead forever because he brought his entire family under the Aegis of your Dynasty
>Idira
Unhinged drunkard that was kept around because the benefit of her divinations outweighed the threat of her uncontrolled psionic powers
>Argenta
Sister of Battle that never got to advance past the beginnings of her service before a warp storm knocked her centuries into the future and now is trapped between going back to a home that no longer exists so her people can awkwardly find a place for her or convincing herself that it all has meaning and she just has to follow the path of the Argenta she was named after
>Unhinged drunkard that was kept around because the benefit of her divinations outweighed the threat of her uncontrolled psionic powers
The game does a shit job of showing it. Half of her divination are just "something bad is going to happen". I half expected her to drop the star wars line
Yeah that's the immediate dialogue but you can also ask her what's up at the start of each chapter to know what threats you'll be facing and get quick breakdowns on each planet in a mysterious and vague way. Like ask in chapter 1 and she'll tell you about each companion.
aberlard is alright i gues
idira i had argenta execute her
argenta i really don't know and don't quite understand why it was so important for her to kill theodora
BG3 characters:
>I have a deep troubled past and a nagging problem that I need you to help rectify personally at some point in our journey
>also let’s have an anus licking orgy RIGHT NOW!!!
Now for the first point, arguably this applies to Rogue Trader and really any RPG game with companions, but the difference is every single companion in BG3’s entire personality and interactions are defined by that one thing that gives them a quest line. They arent just people living a life who you get to know over time. Also they want to tongue your (and each others) anus every 5 seconds
>also let’s have an anus licking orgy RIGHT NOW!!!
which character are you quoting?
It’s a hyperbole based in truth. BG3s characters are overtly sexual much of the time even when you’re not even trying to pursue that route, and it’s doubly extreme when you do pursue romance and rather than it being romance it’s like you’re being initiated into a Reddit open relationship. RTs characters are a lot more well rounded and had more memorable traits than just their sex characteristics (I’m a hoe and I want a foursome! Oh cool I’m a gay and I take dicks up my ass! Same I want to frick a bear am I right?? Lol!)
That’s exactly why I hated BG3 “romance”. People complain about the gays forcing themselves on you like the biggest issue isn’t that once you actually pursue a romance they are all written awfully and unsatisfying as frick. There’s no way in hell most people finished BG3 solo, the co op experience carried so hard
The characters are much better than BG3’s.
bg3 is better in someways, worse in others. i overall prefer rt
BG3 is better in technical terms but it has no atmosphere/soul.
well, it's dnd, which is only the second most soulless setting after pathfinder, so there's nothing larian could have done there
Idk, neverwinter nights had atmosphere. But yeah, DND is generic.
>it's still infinitely better than BG3
no it isn't you giant moron
Easy.
The last quarter of the game is so fricking awful. Everything is rushed.
>missing locations for companions quests ; ulfar's is litterally a book page
>calcazar lore dumps everything at the end of the game, completely detached from what transpired before that gameplay wise. It's just there with no further repercussions
>all the best weapons in the game are dumped on you during the last 3 hours giving you no time to use it
>combat after combat after combat after combat
>necrons are fricking boring to fight
>no going back to the main map once you're done
>piss easy, the 2 last bosses are complete pushovers and most likely wont do anything because you're brutally overpowered by that point
>credits roll for 1+ hour (lol)
FRICK the second part of the game holy shit.
It is genuinely awful.
If you think Comorragh is bad, don't even bother doing the rest. Seriously.
>If you think Comorragh is bad
i don't think it's that bad, i think it's short and small. also full of contrievances
Comorragh could have easily been replaced by a non-distinct Dark Eldar cruiser
This game is like a flawless 10/10 girl letting you cop a feel and get all horny and restless but once you try to undress her she slips away and gives you blueballs. You keep chasing her and eventually catch up but just as you are about to ravage her you notice that her makeup is gone and she is just a 3/10.
The companion stories and quests all fall apart in the later acts just like everything else in this game past Act 3. There really is no defending this game, it has fun parts and it's ultimately decent just because Act 1-2 hard carry the game, but it is absolutely unfinished and garbage past that point on just about any level you care to examine it on. The story falls apart, combat becomes a joke due to the lack of balancing and intelligent class design, the content becomes nonexistent (look at Act 3, legitimately 3-4 areas total in the entire Act) and you just retread the same map you already explored in Act 2, (imagine only being able to explore the Stag Lord section of the map in Kingmaker, that's this game) it's a dumpsterfire in every regard post Act 3. And that's not even going over the innumerable bugs, of course.
Act 3 is questionable perhaps, Act 4-5 are absolute dumpsterfires. The story doesn't have a satisfying conclusion in ANY way, not a single plot thread was resolved in a satisfying fashion. The final villains feel like they were conjured out of thin air with how little set up they get, nothing about Theodora is satisfyingly resolved or touched on, Kunrad becomes a side mob in Uralons boss fight despite being set up as a major shadowy threat up to that point, and ultimately the game just throws a C'tan shard at you and calls it a day.
The content is not only minimal, but poor. Look at Quetza "loading screens" Temer, do you think that was a solid piece of content? Compare it to exploring Footfall in Act 2 or your three main colonies, it's a gigantic world of difference. Yes, Act 1-2 are good, and they make the game worth playing, but you should not be excusing the absolute TRASH that are the final parts of the game. This is Owlcats third game, they should be improving, not devolving, and Kingmaker AND Wrath both had better end games than this, even though just like this one, they were on the weaker side of the game as a whole.
>Refuse to suck Tervantias' dick
>Game over
bravo owlcat
no, because you don't. the most you can do is make him leave the inquisition. he'll nope the frick out if you go full moron
Bit of a personal one but I didn't like the Eldar representation.
Could you list a qrd on complaints and what would you have rather seen?
Not that guy but why couldn't Owlcat just use the fricking suggestions the source material the game is based off gave? Yrliet should be a fricking Corsair with her own warband so there's actual value to recruiting her for your RT, AND so they don't have to do absolutely pants on head moronic shit like having a fricking Eldar travel with you through the Warp. Then again, apparently Yrliet hands you her soulstone at the end of her romance which is even MORE moronic so there was never any hope of Owlcat writing a decent Eldar rep to begin with.
Eldar do use the warp though, and Human ships have gellar fields which would protect them in all but the most extreme circumstances
No, they don't. The Eldar avoid the Warp at all costs and only enter it in desperate need when there is genuinely no other choice, and even then, they would often times rather just die than take the chance of being consumed. Their entire identity as a species is centered around avoiding being eaten by Slaanesh, they exclusively travel through the Webway for that very reason. And the Gellar field is a thin membrane that gets fricked over all the time, did you actually play this game and go through all the events where that very thing happens?
The moment an Eldar is truly exposed to the Warp Slaanesh eats them, which to an Eldar is a fate far, far worse than death ever could be. This is also why an Eldar giving anyone, ANYONE, but especially a non Eldar, their soulstone, makes no sense in way way, shape or form, since that little stone is the only thing keeping their soul from getting snatched up to an eternity of torture beyond what mon'keigh can even conceive of.
Lorelet. Even in the Fantasy Flight Rogue Trader it's stated that Eldar use the warp, with Farseers performing the usual functions of a navigator. In Gathering Storm they use the warp, some without even being in a ship much like warp spiders. Corsairs also use Void Dreamers and Way Seekers, trained specifically to lead them through the warp. Yeah, it's preferable and safer that they don't use the warp when practical, but these knife eared morons have never been shown to be risk averse.
>did you actually play this game and go through all the events where that very thing happens?
Did you homosexual? She has dialogue for this very scenario you spastic Black person.
That got retconned years ago homosexual, the Eldar flat out do not travel through the Warp AT ALL under virtually any circumstances and exclusively use the webway. Try finding sources that aren't decades old that have long ceased to be relevant, before most of the posters on this board were even born.
Corsair Kill Team was in 2022, have a nice day moron and take your gay headcanon to the grave with you
Frick off you mouthbreather, GW still making Corsair models doesn't mean any of the trash you just spewed is still part of the canon.
>Kill Team is just models and not lore
The tourists always reveal themselves eventually. Keep crying Black person, your headcanon is gay and so are you. Die mad
This game takes great liberties as to the strength of gellar fields.
Her giving you her soulstone was kino though.
>use it as a paperweight along with the eldar skull you got on janus
>Could you list a qrd on complaints
Sure
They're eldar
The Eldar in the game are shown as pathetic and shallow weaklings, and the one you get tagging along just seems like she was written by an Imperium fan using the rough idea of what he thinks an Eldar is like. It honestly feels like the Eldar were added to the game just as an afterthought rather than a significant group, at which point you have to wonder why they were included at all instead of just as a cameo like Genestealers.
I just kinda wanted the Eldar to be cool in something.
Eldar will never be cool, that ship sailed long ago, GW relegated them to joke status at least two decades past, and their one chance of redemption (the Ynnari plotline) is being shelved, so they're done. If you want cool Elf types try Warhammer Fantasy, they're actually competent and effective in that setting.
Eldar are cooler than Asur and Druchii just on visuals alone, even before dipping into fluff. Conaidering all three have been Thorpe'd anyways I'll gladly take space elves over fantasy elves.
Everyone is more competent and effective in Warhammer fantasy including humans
No, not really. High Elves are pretty accomplished and impressive in Fantasy, and would still be the most dominant race in the setting if they didn't get split apart in their civil war. Regardless, in general, every race in Warhammer Fantasy is at least semi-competent (except maybe the Beastmen), which is a big difference between it and 40K, where only the Imperium (and Chaos once in a while so the Imperium can look cool for stopping them) can ever actually do anything of value or worth.
The only semi cool Eldar left are the harlequins. Since they are rare enough that we wont get overwhelmed by the sheer amount of L's they catch.
Eldar we see are basically cut off survivors.
Honestly would have been cool if we had a proper Craftworld to interact with, but then you couldn't give Yrliet her tragic backstory.
Make her an Exodite Eldar, from a dying world. Since the Deldar stole their sun. That way we can get a rarer Eldar and still have the sad background
But then you can't have the whole bit with Theodora being responsible. Which I guess in some ways would be better because no betrayal plot.
Im sure they could sperg their way into causing some drama anyway. I just think an Exodite would have been better than a Craftworlder.
Making her an Exodite would make it all the sadder because their souls are stored in the world itself, so not only are her people gone but she is damned unless she finds another world of Exodites.
Which gives her plenty of incentive to travel with you.
Yeah sure wasn't disputing that just something to note.
You don't need the tragic backstory.
>Crudarach is still around and is hiding somewhere in Koronus
>Yrliet introduces herself as a wanderer and offers her services on Janus, which now has no other Eldar presence
>In reality she was sent to spy on (You) since the Farseers foresaw Uralon's arrival and know (You) will play a key role, they just don't know what kind
>If you're Inconoclast they offer to help against Chaos, if you're Heretical they try to assassinate you, if you're dogmatic things get complicated depending on which way you're dogmatic
>If you're going Heretic you can team up with Calligos and Uralon to destroy them and Chorda
>If you accept the Craftworld's help they send you a gift and Yrliet stays on board indefinitely
That' fundamentally alters Yrliet's backstory, unless you're willing to have her betray her Craftworld for you.
The entire point of Yrliet's story, if we cut out all the details, is that she feels she doesn't belong anywhere. Even when Crudarach was still whole she felt she didn't belong that's why she took the path of the outcast. The fact her world was destroyed is just another way in which she feels she doesn't have a home. She searches so desperately for survivors and clings to her dead world so much because she wants to belong and maybe if she can save some of her people she can belong with them again.
And, if you romance her, the ultimate end is that her home is with you. At the end of the day the Farseers are still c**ts and due to her inability to fit in, she can see that. And you give her a place to belong.
So the only way her story would work with Crudarach still being around is if they give the order to assassinate you no matter what but if you do her quest right she refuses and sides with you.
Counterpoint: Owlcat has her leave in all of her endings anyways. Even if she comes back on your deathbed. So much for finding a place to belong.
She leaves and comes back. She's restless by nature so that makes sense. She still comes back to you every time in the romance endings, and sticks with you until you die otherwise.
Cute.
>That' fundamentally alters Yrliet's backstory
Yes anon that's the point.
I would prefer the Corsairs have their own separate inclusion. It's odd they didn't m, considering they were in the art book.
>Yes anon that's the point.
Well your point is dumb because her character is very good even if certain portions of her narrative were poorly executed.
An eldar that feels they don't belong anywhere and end up finding a home with a human is an interesting story to tell and while the bit with the betrayal was poorly executed, the overall character's a good one. What would you even make of Yrliet's character otherwise? I mean you're already re-writing her from the ground up. Considering you're not keeping any of the themes they went with, what kind of eldar character would you write?
Instead of making her a petulant brat of an Eldar make a Ranger who actually has better insight to give and is more cooperative than going "Ugh, stupid mon'keigh" every ten minutes. Give her bits of something mystical and alien under the layers of snark.
And drop the stupid romance angle while we're at it. Sure make her open up and be more friendly but don't try to hamfist in some weird doomed subplot.
>stupid mon'keigh every ten minutes
Reminder she never once calls you that unless you leave her behind. Combat dialogue is not a valid assessment of a character in an rpg.
>drop the stupid romance angle
And here we see the fundamental issue. You just drink the koolaid GW sells that's all.
And here we see more of the GW koolaid being peddled by the kind of homosexual that genuinely shits on Yrliet or Marazhai.
You've got actually no solid arguments. You're constantly blown the frick out. You can't even actually criticize the parts worth criticizing because you froth at the mouth of the characters even being there. Were we doing it your way, there'd be no Xenos except enemies. Which is a fricking moronic take that only Imperiumgays could have. You are genuinely the cancer killing 40k I hope you know that.
I don't mind the idea of Human/Eldar romance, I just don't see what benefit it would have in this case beyond capping off a flawed character story.
The benefit is that it's something people want and it contributed to the character even if you believe otherwise.
>We should keep this mediocre plotline and romance because it makes a few people happy, despite the horrific way of going about it that entails mindbreaking her into being dependent on you
Disgusting.
>it's something people want
>people
waifutards aren't people
>waifutards
Okay timmy, I know mommy doesn't like it when your plastic hobby has fanservice. But maybe the solution here is for you to get the frick out instead of ruining it for everyone else.
Also reminder SoB's have sex, human/eldar couples have existed and will continue to exist, Girlyman fricked Yvraine, and just about every faction is more interesting than the fricking space marines. EVERY SINGLE ONE.
You fricking double mon'keigh I've wanted a proper Human/Eldar romance since fricking Love Can Bloom, what Yrliet provides isn't a proper Human/Eldar romance, it's an Eldar getting completely mindbroken by a series of plot contrivances until she's damaged enough that she can only depend on a human.
Your genuinely repeating the meme take on her character story and trying to pass it off as the actual thing.
First off she doesn't get "mind broken". The conclusion of her story (romance excluded) is telling her Farseers and other survivors off for being gigantic fricking morons (which they are) more obsessed with revenge than surviving.
And as for the romance her conclusion is to either sacrifice her soulstone and chance at being healed spiritually to save your life, only to then regain that spirituality thanks to YOUR presence, or alternatively she outright gives you her soulstone. If that isn't a meaningfully written eldar/human romance I dunno.
The lack of physicality is a negative point but it's not the only way you can judge the romance by. Nor is it solely just the romance that's worthy of discussion here.
The lack of physicality though is rather silly. Difficult to shake off the notion that it's just there to placate the nerds who think asexuality is a genuine identity
I find it odd cause if they were worried about xeno sex they would've nuked Marazhai too. Unless it's noldorgays last hurrah and he joined Owlcat specifically to stop us from from breeding her. He was awfully opposed to the idea
>All of my people have abandoned me and now wander aimlessly hoping to be saved by distant cousins as neqrly everything in the sector hunts for them
>My spirit stone is broken, condemning me to an eternity of abject suffering when I die
>But it's okay because this human treats me like a pet and we get to meditate together sometimes 🙂
>human treats me like a pet
Picking the pet dialogue breaks her romance and it's also a meme. Stop arguing in bad faith using shitty memes and jokes as a serious argument
I wouldn't be able to tell why they made the choice they did. Personally I don't believe it was GW meddling.. I liked the romance but there is a lot of missed potential due to that.
>waifutard mad
If they can't write xenos well, yeah, I don't want them. This is the best character cast Owlcat has ever managed to put together, I even ended up enjoying Idira and Jae, but Yrliet was a complete waste of a slot with how they wrote her, and Marzahai, while better written than Yrliet character wise, makes even less sense to take in your retinue than Yrliet does.
If this is the best they can manage with basic b***h Eldar, who are the closest to Human you can get for a xenos in 40K, I don't even want to see their grotesque attempts at a Freeboota or a Kroot.
Orks will probably be based around their development team googling "Orks 40k Personality Reddit"
>This is the best character cast Owlcat has ever managed to put together
First rpg where I had no problem killing my companions. Usually I just keep them benched. Hard for me to say if it is best or not.
>Yrliet's a complete waste of a slot
She's a far more interesting character than Argenta's who's ultimately just your standard SoB or Ulfar's who's just your standard space marine. There's nothing interesting about either of them. Jae's also incredibly poor written. Disappointingly so because I do like her VA. And Abelard a pretty by the books character too.
The only character that has a unique story by 40k standards alongside Yrliet is Pasqal. Everyone else is just whatever archtype they embody.
If it wasn't for Jae she would easily be the most boring character in the game for me
Think it's just you being an eldarfricker
That's down your shit taste. Objectively speaking she's a more interesting approach to an eldar character than Argenta is to her an SoB or Jimmi is to an interrogator.
Watching a freshly painted wall dry is more entertaining than speaking with her
The entire reply chain you're responding to is about rewriting Yrliet altogether, though, and plenty of people gave different ideas/versions of what she should have been. And no, her character is not very good, at all, in any way shape or form. Easily the worst written character in this game, by far. At least the next two DLC companions are going to be Imperial characters, since Owlcat has proven with Yrliet (and to a lesser extent Marzahai) they cannot write interesting xenos characters to save their lives.
I still like the Corsair angle better, especially since that is specifically what the tabletop material recommended for an Eldar character that would work with a RT, which also lets her have her own ship she uses to travel through the Webway avoiding the moronic "Eldar in the Warp" bullshit, her own warband so she's actually an asset to hire/recruit for your domain and the expansion thereof, and lets her have any number of agendas of her own that can complement or go against your own.
She's already an asset. She's a ranger, she gives you insight into things you wouldn't have otherwise and she's a goddamn deadly fricking sniper. Yrliet's already plenty useful with the role she has.
Stop sucking her elfdick.
I'm sucking on her ears.
I'm not really. Saying she's useless is like saying Argenta's useless or Ulfar's useless. They bring unique knowledge and perspectives sure but they're not a material asset to your retinue beyond being very good at killing shit.
Heck the only characters that really brings the sort of support you claim Yrliet lacks are Cassia with her navigator bloodline basically giving your ships free navigator's for decades and Jimmi due to his connections to the inquisition, and even then the inquisitor in question ends up being a heretical c**t anyways.
Abelard's family's already beholden to you anyways, Idira is useful but doesn't provide material assets in that way. Jae arguably after the game's narrative does once she becomes a big shot trader but that's it. Marazhai is basically booted off his Kabal so he's of no use. Pasqal's a magus sure but he doesn't bring a ton of usefulness beyond his ship role and if he becomes Amarat again
She doesn't give any insight into anything, the way she's written she's childishly naivee/stupid about virtually everything and she offers you no information or knowledge you can't get elsewhere, and then there's the whole "I am so moronic I trusted Dark Eldar and walked everyone into a trap" angle on top of everything else.
Like the other anon said, I wanted the Eldar in this game to be competent and cool, and Yrliet is anything but. Then again, I can't recall the last time an Eldar character or storyline lived up to their potential, so nothing new there, Owlcat is just another company that can't pull it off any better than GW themselves can, and so the Eldar remain a pathetic joke, just like always.
Corsairs are just a cool concept that actually provides real reasoning for a RT to temporarily ally with xenos since you get powerful forces out of it, while having to stay on your toes since, being duplicitous xenos, they always have their own agenda and cannot be fully trusted. You didn't get that kind of cat and mouse game between your RT and Yrliet at all, naturally, it felt more like babysitting a runaway teenager mad at her parents if anything.
>doesn't give any insight into anything
She's the one that takes you to the rebels on Janus and helps you solve that issue. And while she's responsible for getting you into Commorragh she's also the one that gets you out (one of the two possible solutions granted)
She also makes sure Alaitoc doesn't come knocking years later. And again, she's a goddamn deadly eldar sniper.
Also all the xenos based traps she disarmed for me.
You can find and kill the rebels on Janus just fine without her, she offers nothing your ship scanning capabilities didn't already have, and on top of that she conceals that she knows the Eldar are the ones really instigating the civil war until you reach the Farseer. Alaitoc doesn't show up at all if you simply kill all the Eldar on Janus, since they never have any time to contact Alaitoc in that case, so again, she offers nothing unless you were super desperate to make peace with hostile xenos for no reason or benefit to you, your domain, or your people whatsoever.
She's trash. Narratively you have no reason to take her with you past Janus even if you are an Iconoclast character since she offers you nothing of value and in fact poses sizeable risks and potentially incites the ire of other powerful forces in the Imperium. Which would be fine, if she had something to offer to counterbalance that, but she is a lone wandering Outcast with no real assets or networks to counterbalance that.
Yrliet, on the other hand, has plenty of reason to go with you, since she's searching for the survivors of her Craftworld, but YOU are given no reason to take her. It's a massive failing in the writing department that they didn't give you solid benefits and reasons to take Yrliet with you, and ultimately, they even give you major reasons to dismiss/kill her off instead, and I'm not just talking about her betrayal.
>You can find and kill the rebels on Janus just fine without her
That's not a valid argument, because if it were I could say "well you get betrayed regardless if Yrliet's there or not". You have to judge shit as if she's there not otherwise. Of course the game has to provide alternate methods of resolving the issue.
>they never have any time to contact Alaitoc in that case,
The eldar on Janus aren't the ones that contact Alaitoc, the ones on Quetza are.
>She offers nothing of value
Neither does Argenta. Neither does Ulfar. And any other character but Cassia and Jimmi offer no genuine material benefits, and even those two don't really offer anything that requires them to stay with you. You can give Cassia back to her house and get a free navigator merc and STILL keep the 50 year contract with the Orsellios. Jimmi's presence ends up being worthless because Calcazar's a heretic. So again, your arguments of "nothing of value" are fricking worthless. You can't judge a character's worth based on that. Or maybe you're the kind of guy that says they should have just ridden the eagles to Mordor.
>Yrliet, on the other hand, has plenty of reason to go with you, since she's searching for the survivors of her Craftworld
So you just successfully argued against yourself
>you have no reason to take her
Again, neither do I have a reason to keep ANY OF THE OTHER CHARACTERS except arguably Pasqal and that requires meta knowledge of the fact he's actually Amarat. A purely pragmatic rogue trader would in fact get rid of almost half their goddamn team. They'd refuse to help Argenta search for some shithole that's likely just a legend. They'd refuse to risk helping Ulfar. They'd just give Cassia back and be done with it. They'd blam Idira. Heck they'd likely even let the trial in act IV proceed and that'd cost Abelard his family, no idea if that makes him leave you but still.
>Neither does Argenta. Neither does Ulfar
they add good PR. unlike yrliet who's actually an active detriment to your public image
>they add good PR
So does Yrliet. If you take her with you during your coronation parade her bonuses are better than anyone else's because an RT having a Xeno in their retinue is considered a power move of untold proportions.
Comparatively speaking, having a SoB is not that big a deal. Ulfar sure.
Yrliet and Jae both give +1 to everything, they mog everyone's colony bonuses
It's not like it matters since it all caps out at 10 anyway and you'll easily reach that and then some once you hit Act 4.
>considered a power move of untold proportions.
we're not talking about power moves, we're talking about pr
It's good PR. You're such a powerful RT even the Xenos work under you and do your bidding.
You fundamentally do not understand the world of RT and the Koronos Expanse is not the same as elsewhere. This is the frontier and you're the literal Emperor sent conqueror. Rules don't apply the same to you.
no, it's not good pr. you're not a powerful rt - you're just a little b***h dancing to the tune of a xenos.
See how this works?
No, I don't, because the game proves you factually wrong through the gameplay itself.
Even after she betrays you, you can tell your personal retinue to shut the frick up and accept that your goddamn word is fricking law and they do it. It isn't like going heretic where characters leave. No you tell them you've forgiven her so they shut up because you're the goddamn Rogue Trader. And it has no ultimately negative impact because the game knows this isn't something that would justifiably HAVE a negative impact.
Comparatively speaking for example giving Janus to the eldar is going too far and THAT has a negative impact.
Your entire argument is predicated on the fact that Yrliet is exactly the same as every other companion, which she isn't, because she's an Eldar, a xenos, and as such requires additional justification to take her along. Yes, if Yrliet was some random Scout Marine from a SM Chapter who was searching for his lost and potentially destroyed legion, that would be a fine companion.
But Yrliet is an Eldar, she is by definition part of a hostile and dangerous faction that is intrinsically opposed to the Imperium, and as such bringing her along is inherently a nonsensical choice at its base value, which is why it needs to be adjusted by counterbalancing it with benefits that outweigh that negative state. Which is why in the tabletop setting Corsairs are given as an example since they can ally with a RT and provide benefits that would outweigh the potential risks of working with xenos.
Yrliet is a failure of a character precisely because they did not do this with her, or give any other substantial benefits or gains to counteract the fact she is an Eldar, as they ignored that fundamental facet of her character, ignoring her alien nature altogether in multiple ways. This is why she fails as a character, and this is why I would rather Owlcat not touch any further xenos characters since they clearly aren't going to take the time to give the narrative justification to taking them with you that they should, and will just treat them like any other Imperium character anyway, at which point it's better to simply use Imperium characters to begin with.
>and as such requires additional justification
She's potentially useful. That is ALL the justification needed for a Rogue Trader.
Also, Craftworlders are neither a unified faction nor intrinsically opposed to the Imperium. Try again, timmy.
> because she's an Eldar, a xenos, and as such requires additional justification to take her along
No it doesn't. You're an RT. You can bend the rules. You can sanction Xenos. Her opening story has her aiding you and siding against her own Farseer for you. That's already more than enough reason to trust her and agree to bring her along.
>But Yrliet is an Eldar, she is by definition part of a hostile and dangerous faction that is intrinsically opposed to the Imperium
Nobody cares about your Imperium wank. This is an RT game, Xenos being present and part of the party is a good thing. It's in fact a necessesity. If this game had been nothing but human characters it would have been shit for it. In fact, we needed more Xenos. We needed a Necron guy, an Ork, a Kroot, a Tau, just off the top of my head.
>Yrliet is a failure of a character precisely because they did not do this with her, or give any other substantial benefits or gains to counteract the fact she is an Eldar
There is no extra required need to counter she's an eldar. This is RT. Xenos as part of the retinue fit in. You're just an Imperiumgay mad that all the slots weren't filled up with your shitty homosexual factions. Heck I'm pretty sure if it were up to you it'd be nothing but space marines and we'd have had to deal with a goddamn Deathwatch game instead of RT.
You're just an xenosgay mad that all the slots weren't filled up with your shitty homosexual xenos
No. I'm mad that the two Xenos we did get constantly get shat on by timmies that are mad their previous space marines weren't the spotlight for once.
I am however, disappointed we didn't get all the other characters I mentioned as possibilities. While all of them would be asking too much, at least a Necron would have been appropriate given the fact Necron tech literally drives the entire plot of the game.
>more than enough reason to trust her and bring her along
Holy shit you're moronic, why did I waste time arguing with a dumbfrick who thinks that's all he needs to trust the most duplicitous and treacherous race in the entire fricked up setting. You don't even appreciate or like Eldar, or what makes them cool, you just wanna frick a red headed Elf (and you can't even do that in this game anyway). We're done here.
>no argument left
>resorts to ad homs and pretending he likes eldar even though he's clearly a timmy mad that an eldar took a spot that could have gone to another Imperium faction/more space marine wank
The aeldari NEVER go against their Farseers. The Farseers rule for a reason and the aeldari fricking listen to them. Especially if they're from their own fricking Craftworld and ESPECIALLY if we're dealing with an apocalyptic scenario that Yrliet and the other survivors are dealing with.
Despite the fact that Muaran and the other eldar there are the few aeldari left from Crudarach, despite the fact Muaran is actively TELLING her to go against the humans on Janus. She STILL sides with you and kills her people in your defense because she knows the bigger enemy is the governor and her Slaanesh cult. If you understood and knew eldar half as much as you claim you'd know that's a big fricking deal. An RT with sufficient knowledge of the workings of the aeldari would know that's a huge fricking deal. But lets take it a step back and look at it from the perspective of an RT that isn't that knowledgeable on eldar. She still just sided against what remained of her people for you and your cause. An RT that doesn't get eldar that well (which you could easily be roleplaying as) would see that as more than enough reason to accept her request to bring her along.
So you're wrong on LITERALLY ALL FRONTS. Now go paint your spess marines timmy.
>The aeldari NEVER go against their Farseers. The Farseers rule for a reason and the aeldari fricking listen to them
Farseers are nerds and should only ever be given advisory roles.
They're still the ones in charge even if they're nerds.
>follows along with some random mon'keigh she just barely met as if that's a positive of how she's written
Yes, it is, because that mon'keigh actually listened to her, accepted her input and helped her take down a dangerous cult of Slaanesh.
Also you know the entire point of her character is that she feels she doesn't belong anywhere. And she hates Farseers. Which is an interesting take on an eldar.
>They're still the ones in charge even if they're nerds
Not for Best Craftworld.
Biel-Tan is literally the #1 argument in favour of leaving leadership to the Farseers.
Macha is CUTE!
>Strongest Eldar military
>Wants to fix the problems of the Eldar Empire rather than wallowing in depression and self-pity
>Willing to work with the Imperiun when Maiden Worlds aren't in danger
>Even now still leading the Eldar
Oh and also Macha's from there.
>Even the outcast nerds at Alaitoc are doing better.
Actually they joined with the Ynnari and last time they got featured in something they got massacred by the Imperium and Dark Eldar. Oh and also
>Path of the Eldar trilogy
>Wants to fix the problems of the Eldar Empire
Their no.1 problem of Eldar Empire is that the Eldar Empire doesn't exist anymore.
Their no.2 problem of Eldar Empire is that humans exist, which is not a productive attitude when you're outnumbered [arbitrary number]-to-1, either.
The Eldar Empire coexisted with humans before tho, back when Humans were significantly stronger.
They didn't coexist so much as live in a perpendicular reality, with humans occupying most of realspace and Eldar mostly sticking to the Webway, outside of some handful of worlds in the now-Eye and some vanity terraforming projects of the guys that would later become the Exodites.
The Eldar controlled every planet in the Eye of Terror plus damn near every planet on the other end of a webway portal, they didn't live solely in the Webway
There is no "fixing" the problems of the Eldar Empire. It's dead and gone. It ain't coming back.
Biel-Tan are literally fricking delusional and kept denying reality for ten millenia straight, causing them to continously squander their strength and eventually pay the ultimate the price for it.
Like, what the frick is even the sense in "defending" these empty maiden worlds that the Eldar won't have the population to settle for millenia to come, if ever. All Biel-Tan's been doing in a majority of their actions past-Fall is spending irreplaceable lives for useless dirt and vainglorious pride, all while their race was slowly dying out.
Aren't the Maiden Worlds super important since they can contain the souls of Eldar?
It depends on the eldar. For some they are important because they are fellow eldar to others they are degenerated simpletons like their dark eldar cousins thus not worth saving.
That kind of talk is exactly why the mistake that was the Ynnari happened. Rather than consider the potential prospects of a future for the Eldar you just roll over and whine about what's been lost, ready for anyone to come in and walk all over you.
The Ynnari weren't just b***hing about what was lost though. They had an actual legitimate and realistic plan that would have worked given what the lore stated.
Except you know, GW axed it.
The Ynnari 'plan' was to summon a new god and hope he was nicer than the last one as he consumed the entire Eldar race, finishing what Slaanesh began.
Ynnari wouldn't have been like Slaanesh.
>bro I tell you this death cult worshiping a death god wouldn't be the same as the cult that killed 99% of our race LMAO
xenogays are deluded.
I mean, the writing made it clear it wouldn't have been the same, but technically speaking since it never happened or will happen, I suppose we'll never know and you could be right and it would have blown up in their face.
It was over the moment deathwatch shot up Eldrad's cringe ritual.
The only "future for the Eldar" Biel-Tan ever offered was that of complete extinction of the Eldar. Not just the Craftworlders, the delusional twits also want to get the Exodites and Corsairs to joing the mass suicide pact of "restoring the empire" for good measure, too.
And you're outright projecting Biel-Tan's chief problem: That they fundamentally AREN'T offering an actual future. All they offer is a delusional attempt to bring back a by now downright mythical past that is gone forever. And they don't have any actual plan how to do that either, (because any attempt to make one runs into the issue of the objective being absolutely delusional,) beyond trying to fight the whole damn galaxy and win. Somehow. Because that's totally a realistic goal.
Isn't that part of the point of Biel-Tan, though? On some level they know they're doomed, but they would rather go down fighting taking back everything they can, and die as warriors, rather than just slowly fade away into nothing. Yeah they likely have absolutely zero chance, but better to die with blade in hand than just run scared for the rest of your existence. That was how I saw them, anyway.
Well, yes. The main narrative conceit of Biel-Tan is that they're the hyper-traditionalists who still try to pretend that the Fall was totally just a temporary setback and they can bring the empire back. It just so happens that a lot of Biel-Tan fanboys don't realise that it's a fricking delusional goal, and entirely INTENDED that way.
Biel-Tan are the epitome of that good ol' Eldar arrogance, as they're tragically throwing away what's left of their race in pursuit of empty nostalgia for a bygone age rather than accept the facts and fricking adapt to the present. They're the Eldar equivalent of the absolute tools behind the Hexarchy Coup, only nobody's in position to clobber them over the head for their stupidity.
>and they can bring the empire back. It just so happens that a lot of Biel-Tan fanboys don't realise that it's a fricking delusional goal, and entirely INTENDED that way.
Anon I hate to break it to you but being delusional is the basis for pretty much every 40k army besides maybe Orks and Nids. EVERY other faction is delusional. Saying Biel Tan is doesn't make them worse, it makes them fitting.
1. Nice goalpost shifting.
2. Biel-Tan stands out even among the lower end of the pack for just how absolutely over the top the sheer fricking delusion and arrogance of their goals is. Like, most others have at least some remotely plausible path towards achieving their goals. Biel-Tan doesn't, and their behaviour is wholly self-defeating to a degree even the dumber parts of the Imperium struggle to match.
Biel Tan has two outcomes
>The Eldar reclaim part of the galaxy and free themselves from Slaanesh, gaining the ability to once again become a major power but now with the knowledge of where the Eldar Empire went wrong and having a solutiom to it; The Paths
>The Eldar die, as is the nature of all things, but they do so fighting until the end rather than disappearing with a whimper, and the Rhana Dandra comes to pass.
I mean you can speculate but obviously neither will ever happen because even if GW is intent on wanking the Imperium due to timmy money, they won't outright get rid of the other races because it's still plastic being sold. Eldargays of the tabletop are cucked homosexuals that keep buying rather than cut off shit entirely. Not that them boycotting would make a difference that would help renew the eldar armies (all of them really)
>Following Black Library 'authors' for lore
>Not specifically forming /your dudes/ with models you like and your own fluff utilizing the parts of Codex lore you enjoy
The magic of 40k has dwindled, it seems
You're still giving GW money when you buy the plastic. I mean unless you've set up your own 3D printer and make your own shit. In which case you're doing exactly what you should.
The fact is though if you give GW money directly you're supporting their stupidity and their timmy wank. And the sad thing is, fittingly, no amount of boycotts or fighting will change how things are. Eldargays are just as doomed as the eldar themselves. Lion's new model sold out in what? Minutes or something right? Timmy's money is simply too powerful, and Timmy will never accept or be okay with lore where the eldar are good.
The best you can hope for is games like RT that are small time so GW doesn't bother and Timmy hopefully ignores (though given this thread, even that's unlikely)
>The Eldar reclaim part of the galaxy
That's not an outcome, that's pure delusion. Made worse by the fact that Biel-Tan aren't aiming for "part of the galaxy", the morons literally insist on having to "defend" or "take back" every single old Eldar/Maiden world in the galaxy.
>muh die with a whimper
Except that's exactly where Biel-Tan's oh-so-glorious last stand leads. Other craftworlds not being this delusional means there's at least a chance of survival there, unlike with the morons who wanna LARP as Imperial Japan ca summer 1945 and throw their lives away to the for the sake of vapid pride. The same kind of pride that got their whole damn species to the brink of extinction to begin with. Biel-Tan are literally the one Eldar faction rivalling the motherfricking Drukhari in sheer failure to learn from the Fall.
Biel-Tan is for xenocide.
No, it's the "take" of a writer simply writing a Human character and completely disregarding the actual lore and nature of the alien race they're supposedly portraying.
No it's not, again you're just butthurt a Xenos character was actually interesting and unique for once instead of a set of fricking memes and stereotypes.
That it didn't always work is beyond the point. She's still an interesting character and arguing "muh lore" is not a goddamn valid fricking argument.
Get fricked timmy. I know what you are
I am specifically saying I dislike Yrliet because she FAILS to actually be what an Eldar should be and instead is written as a basic b***h Imperium character with pointy ears. The fact you somehow like what is easily the worst written character in the game does nothing but signal to all your objectively shit taste and complete lack of appreciation for the Eldar as written in 40K, so stop trying to pretend you actually like the race and faction when its clear you don't.
>FAILS to actually be what an Eldar should be and instead is written as a basic b***h Imperium character with pointy ears
And I'm telling you your take is fricking moronic. What exactly is an "eldar" to you? That they all have to be duplicitous c**ts that put their people above everyone else, something that is PROVABLY a moronic take? That she's able to move past her prejudices to be your comrade or lover is exactly what makes it an interesting character.
>complete lack of appreciation for the Eldar as written in 40K,
Yes, I have a lack of goddamn appreciation for the eldar as they're currently written because the majority of writings involving the eldar are fricking moronic Timmy tier wank made so timmies feel comfy asking mommy for their super cool space marines and spouting "hahaha kill all xenos lol" grimderk homosexualry. The VAST FRICKING MAJORITY of official GW lore from their books and rulesets is fricking moronic and has been for almost two goddamn fricking decades now, and eldar being duplicitous c**ts that to their goddamn detriment constantly betray everyone not them is part of that goddamn issue. That's not the appeal of the eldar.
The appeal is the same appeal of almost every elf race only in space. A race that once ruled the galaxy utterly doomed by their own hubris and degeneracy, made even more interesting by the fact that every one of them to a person is cursed by Slaanesh. That sense of doom that follows all of them, and how it informs their characters, is what makes them interesting to read about on the few times GW doesn't just make them moronic "hurr durr we betray you now" idiots.
Maybe actually have an Eldar as written in the lore that would actually listen to her Farseers and have real reasoning behind joining a fricking mon'keighs crew aside from "I HATE EVERYONE AND TRUST NO ONE WHICH IS WHY I WILL INSTEAD TRUST THIS RANDOM STRANGER RATHER THAN THOSE WHO HAVE GUIDED AND PROTECTED MY PEOPLE SINCE TIME IMMEMORIAL" or you know just make her a fricking Corsair and give her some actual agency in the story.
That was truly one of the stupidest things GW ever wrote, just have the ritual fail for some other reason or some other interference from some other faction, but since the Imperium has to do EVERYTHING in current 40K lore, it had to be Deathwatch. So you get the incredible event of having Deathwatch straight up say "yeah well we'd rather the galaxy fall to fricking CHAOS than let the xenos live" which was moronic even for 40K.
Deathwatch was tipped of by Vect trying to sabotage Eldrad to keep up the status quo.
It still makes no sense for them to interfere in a ritual designed to frick over one of the Gods Of Chaos, their primary and biggest threat. If they really, really wanted to kill Eldar no matter what they could just wait for the ritual to end and THEN kill them. It's nonsensical and stupid with how that whole event was written and went down, but that's GW 40K lore in general over at least the last decade, so yeah. At least they keep finding a way to up themselves, "SPEED OF DARKNESS" is perhaps the greatest low ever reached in 40K fiction and sci-fi/fantasy in general in quite some time.
> "SPEED OF DARKNESS" is perhaps the greatest low
The Eldar brainwashing Matt Damon to kill MLK wasn't enough of a tipoff that Abnett reached his expiry date?
He also gave us the perpetuals. I want him and Thorpe servitorised at this point
So they can continue to work?
Ollanius Pius becoming some sort of capeshit superhero is fricking mind-boggling.
Everyone responsible for the shitpile that is the HH series should be taken out behind the shed for ruining the 'shrouded in mystery and half-truth' appeal of the era.
Dan Abnett really likes his special snowflakes.
Oh and he is literally a capeshit writer. He wrote the best Marvel crossover event in modern times (coincidentally an intergalactic war against extradimensional armies)
>shrouded in mystery
You know why the HH exists? To show how marines were once modified humans with actual personalities and in 40k they got turned into hypo-indoctrinated morons with a "know no fear rule" and a complementary eagle on the cheast.
>You know why the HH exists?
Because Badab was popular,
because GW (always) wants to shill you more plastic,
and to appeal to the capeshit audience.
Any narrative reasons come in dead last.
I genuinely wonder if you've even played the game
Yrliet doesn't side with us over a matter of trust. She sides with us because once we take her along during the investigation she outright KNOWS that Janus is being infected with Slaanesh AIDS and she KNOWS Muaran also knows and does fricking nothing about it.
And she rightfully calls her Farseer a fricking moron for going full Biel-Tan instead of actively fighting THE GODDAMN THING RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ENTIRE RACE'S PERDITION.
If Yrliet's unlike an eldar it's only because she's a REASONABLE THINKING INDIVIDUAL. And since we are willing to take out the governor with her, she sides with us.
An actual Eldar character would still trust their Farseer character since they understand they make their decisions based off of long term reasoning and understanding. Yrliet doesn't act like an Eldar, however, and instead acts like a Human female and becomes irrationally angry at Muaran not doing what she thinks is best, despite her having no qualifications or the assigned role to make that kind of decision to begin with. She just spergs out and betrays her entire people and the Farseer because she's mad, for a random alien stranger she met a few hours ago. And you consider that good writing? Please.
Thing is Eldar really don't trust Farseer's as they are quite literally lost deviants. The only craftworld that takes their ramblings seriously is Ulthwe and only because they have been stuck on a collision course with the eye of terror for millennia.
Muaran wasn't making any decisions based on reason and understanding and that was clear to anyone reading the goddamn words on the screen. He was made with revenge and wanted to inflict as much damage on the race responsible for the death of Crudarach, even if the individuals of said race had nothing to do with what happened. And hey, there's another thing Yrliet's a good character at. Despite the poorly written betrayal bit, she still recognizes that ultimately you are not responsible for Theodora's sins, and it'd be irrational to believe it so.
>no doing what she thinks is best
What is best*
>despite her having no qualifications or the assigned role to make that kind of decision to begin with
And yet she's still right. Heck she's right about ever criticism she levels at the moronic Farseers of her homeworld. Despite Theodora pulling the trigger they were ultimately responsible because they KNEW shit was going to end badly and they still steered the caftworld into the shitstorm. I don't envy the choices they had to make but it's a fact it was ultimately their fault.
>She just spergs out and betrays her entire people and the Farseer because she's mad
Again because her Farseer's willingly ignoring Slaanesh taint.
>a random alien stranger she met a few hours ago
Stranger that helped her and supported her when she needed it
>And you consider that good writing? Please.
Yes. Again I ask, why do you want eldar that "act like eldar" if GW's take on eldar is fricking shit by your own admission?
You are legitimately trying to justify an Eldar turning their back on the survivors of their (recently destroyed Craftworld) and helping to kill them because said Eldar believes that her Farseer prioritizing the mon'keigh infestation over the Slaanesh taint (which was a result of the mon'keighs actions, anyway) is apparently a crime worthy of betraying her entire people because a guy she met a few hours ago helped her kill a few mon'keigh her people were manipulating from the shadows. If you do not see the incredible gaping holes in this contrived and ridiculous scenario, there's no point in discussing it further.
Also, to finalize the other point, I want Eldar to act like they are portrayed as anytime the Imperium isn't involved, crafty, brilliant, daring, and valorous, fighting against an inevitable doom they know full well they cannot ultimately win against. Rage against the dying of the light, and all that. I find it bizarre you actually like Yrliet when she is a typical GW written Eldar, incompetent, stupid, who commits random and nonsensical betrayals due to seemingly either shocking incompetence or stupidity, or arrogance of such heights it leads them to both or one of the latter and former, and who are ultimately ineffectual dunces who only exist as the Imperial characters sidekick, pet, or punching bag. And that is Yrliet to a T. GW would be proud.
>that picture
>that post
Have I been arguing with Noldorgay this entire time? Anyway
>Apparently a crime worthy of betraying her entire people because a guy she met a few hours ago helped her kill a few mon'keigh her people were manipulating from the shadows
Yes? His actions were directly giving the governor power because she could then justify her mass sacrifices and disappearances using the rebels as fuel. The situation on Janus was that the people being oppressed by a literal Slaanesh worshipper were then being manipulated into serving Muaran who just used them as fodder and gave the Slaanesh worshiper more fuel.
And also, Yrliet didn't set out to start a fight. She was pissed and rightly so at Muaran but the goal was to talk him down. And you can actually do that without giving the planet over (he then even helps you in the final fight). But ultimately the likely outcome is a firefight because Muaran is blind due to his own hatred. The lesson being Farseers are not above reproach and Yrliet is reasonable enough to understand that, due to her own experiences.
>I want Eldar to act like they are portrayed as anytime the Imperium isn't involved, crafty, brilliant, daring, and valorous
That literally hasn't happened in a piece of GW fiction in almost two decades now. And funny enough some of the better eldar lore is RT related where they interact with humans. Should read the tabletop rulesets sometime for RT.
And as for your take on Yrliet that is a gross simplification and again I question if you genuinely payed attention or just read random screenshots posted in these threads. Yrliet is never presented as incompetent or stupid, merely desperate enough to trust Marazhai. And her arrogance is something that right from the start she can put aside and ultimately gets over (even the ending slides if you go path of the warrior that she came to view the RTs crew not just the RT as comrades)
>trusting Dark Eldar
>not incredibly incompetent and shockingly stupid
Alright, we're done, you're going to defend this character no matter what anyone says regardless of how she was actually characterized and written.
Now who's totally missing the point?
Eldar don't see the dark eldar as the depraved horrible things they really are. They still see them as kin even if they' know they're fricked in the head.
She was without any recourse, she now believed you might even have been involved in Crudarach's destruction. Marazhai told her where to find information on survivors. Of course she leapt on it. Though to clarify I still think it was a poorly written segment and it could have really done with a different execution.
>So you get the incredible event of having Deathwatch straight up say "yeah well we'd rather the galaxy fall to fricking CHAOS than let the xenos live"
The Eldar were literally attacking humans to pose as a distraction for the ritual, maybe if they wanted to be believed they shouldn't have been killing everyone before and during their first attempt?
if that were the case they would have let you frick her
It's hilarious how you write all of that first part acknowledging what Eldar are actually, canonically like, and then say Yrliet is a good Eldar character because she specifically does NOT do what an actual Eldar character would do and instead follows along with some random mon'keigh she just barely met as if that's a positive of how she's written, instead of the damning criticism it actually is. Like I said, you're a moron who doesn't appreciate or like Eldar at all, you just want to frick one. Frick off you coomer homosexual.
Based xenos appreciator. Seriously my RT would add pretty much any xenos to the party just for the novelty, cool lore and chance to annoy the local dogmatics.
>she offers nothing
She ooffers nigh-irreplaceable and unattainable knowledge, experience and skills. And no, you being in absolute, baseless denial does not change that fact.
>The Eldar in the game are shown as pathetic and shallow weaklings
So... Lore accurate?
Yeah
Xenos BTFO
Will we ever get a Chaos antagonist half as kino as Eliphas?
>Jae's act 4 quest
God, I'm killing this c**t next playthrough
You didn't turn on her the first chance you got?
It is a brown woman smuggler tropebot. All she knows is trigger trap, quip, run, and lie.
Wait so not until I had to do a shitty stealth section in a fricking crpg, but it's bugged too because I can't do anything after opening all the valves
Every single person who has played it for two hours has found some kind of a bug, it's impossible to not find a flaw.
The most glaring flaw is everything beyond act 3, it's painfully obvious that they don't have a QA team and only the first three acts were beta tested
no Blood Raven companion
Buggier than a tyranid hive fleet.
The warp travel map fricking SUCKS
The way the routes are represented between each point makes them very hard to read, especially if multiple same color routes cross over each other.
Also the fact that the only routes that "light up" are the ones in the system you're in means this is further compounded if you're trying to plot a course to a further destination
Shitty programmers.
Anyone who can force their ballsack through the creative equivalent of a dung encrusted cheese grater that is fantayslop should be refreshed by how much better and more interesting the setting and characters are
what the frick is his problem
>Xavier there's like four of them left, the frick are they gonna do?
Nothing, he's being incredibly reasonable towards a Cuck Trader simping for xenos
he doesn't have one. you on the other hand are a moron who gave away your world to a fricking eldar
Only he gets to be moronic.
In that instance, being absolutely right
I like how this dude has the cheek to say shit like that when he has done more to hurt humanity and the Imperium in the expanse than any Xenos over the course of the game.
One planet is too many, but 7 suns is a totally reasonable thing to give to xenos. Nevermind that atleast two of those suns were in inhabited systems
What if I stick my penis inside one, does the warrant cover that?
no
ToO lAtE
Yes, if that's requirement to further interests of the Imperium.
He's a c**t but he's right in this instance. Your Warrant is meant to expand the imperium, but you just actively gave a planet away to xenos.
Ironic.
Some of the animations can be a bit fricky.
its buggy
i had a good time though
all of cumrag
you have been working you ass off to fix the protectorate only for you to railroaded into a "lol you progress is reset lmao" area for no fricking reason
its should have been the moment when you as a rogue trader actually are able to use that power but then they strip it away from you
>lol your progress is reset
The game temporarily weakens you and your party for like 2 hours as a narrative device, don’t be gay
i should be invading cumrag to display what a unified functional strong protectorate can do
Unless your protectorate is Segmentum Solar then you couldn't do shit to Commorragh
What happens if you only bring generics to cumrag
Is there a psyker gene?
Maybe, but if there is then its incredibly dormant,
There is a macguffin in one of the Cain books that can awaken dormant psyker abilities. But research into it was at a pretty early state when the Necrons came knocking to get it back.
Almost certainly yes given there are whole psyker/blunt species and even different flavours of Marine gene therapy produce psykers/Librarians at different rates.
What is it about white hair + bobcuts that drives people so crazy?
>choker
yjk
nothing. the sisters are liked for the attitude not the hair
Evokes a nun habit while being way sexier. Contrasts well with black armor.
Am I missing something about the sabotaging happening on Dargonus in act 4?
It's obviously not caused by the Werserians and I managed to find that out, but then the game just wants you to decide which family to murder based on no evidence?
It's the Drivestem
source: just trust me dude
If you have found the dead guy, and exhausted all the dialogue options, including with the govenors son.
then talk to Abelard and he will ask you to start the sentencing while he checks for the guilty person, and then just wait with accusing anyone specific until he gives you a signal.
I assumed something like this existed.
By dead guy do you mean the corpses of the robots infront of the palace?
Also how do I talk to Abelard? He is in my part.
Theres a guy praying in the lower part of the palace, talk to him. After that check up with everybody so you know you havent missed any information and then initiate the sentencing
Thanks it worked, until the game bugged out and ended the conversation when I accused house Sauerback and told Abelard to take it away. For some reason I could initiate it again by talking to one of the Drivestems, but the Sauerback option wasn't there anymore.
Fricking Owlcat
You also have to follow up on the dialogues, like checking on that guy who is standing stone cold dead in front of the shrine since Regina murdered him with her poison, or you won't catch her.
I need someone to fricking explain to me, why I can use that three torpedo salvo, or boarding party
I have no idea what am I doing wrong and it drives me insane
yes I didnt double checked how sisyphus is spelled
>Sisiphus
the absolute state
I chose the Sauerback's and Abelard mentioned something about them working with Voigtnir or whatever the frick the traitors name was so I guess I guessed correctly?
>Sisiphus
>give up with the (what I think) are bugs and switch to easy space combat
>destroy elusive c**t
>no info that I destroyed it
T-thanks owlcat
No voice acting
he said a flaw
That's a good thing though. It means they didn't have to gut the game's script to pander to illiterate morons.
I need to wait for like a year until it gets fixed and all the DLCs are out.
No SoB romance no buy
I really hope owlcat don't make any more warhammer games
This whole "muh why doesn't it have my favourite crayons" thing is really annoying
endings don't mention the many children jimi has given ne
Gotta have a womb to have children.
obviously. any other hot takes?
r u a girl?
no girls on the internet. you should know that by now
He larps as a woman to frick Heinrix. Two steps away from trooning out
>every woman is a tanny, every man is a homosexual
grim
I heard it's unfinished so I'm not going to play it for a few months or a year.
>my warrior has 95% chance to dodge
>still gets hit most of the time
Enemies can have dodge reduction, too. 95% dodge ain't gonna cut it in later acts.
Rendering an agility warrior build null. There's your flaw. Come to think of it, the builds are pretty unbalanced as a whole.
LMAO, no. 95% dodge won't cut it in later acts. But you're not limited to 95% dodge, either. Those are rookie numbers. Push up those numbers.
Gotta pump those numbers over 300% and watch warriors dodge/parry/counter each other for like 10 seconds on 1 missed attack
Meanwhile AM gets 3% armor per stack of versatility, plus the act3 boss cape that gives 1% damage resistance per stack of versatility, and they can get 100+ stacks of versatilityin one round of combat
I stopped playing after act 3 and decided I will wait until all dlc and patches are out. But now I am wondering will they even fix chapter 4 and 5? Will they add more locations on the sector map? It is unfinished but is there even a chance that they will finish the game?
Was it a deliberate troll by owlkek to generate lots of discussion from everyone?
what was?
Yes. They wrote two good acts and even got people to pay them to be their beta testers, then people reached act 3, 4 and 5 and the realization came that we were indeed trolled hard
>warhammer
damn Jae doesn't steal your character model anymore
Nice you grew an immunity to her std?
that's the power of a Rogue Trader
If she was a he nobody would keep him around after chapter 4
depends. would she still look like a space grasshopper fi she was a man?
Yes but instead of long hair, he would wear a silly pointed helmet
i like eldar helmets. i like their aesthetics in general. yes, even the dildo guns
Then its a clear upgrade.
Good thing she's not
Women would if he gave them the BEC
imagine getting tag teamed by marazhai and maliet
Like i would ever let a filty xenos touch my geneseed
If he was a he, then Marazhai would be a she, and all this shit would be about Marazhai instead of Yrliet
Fact is a good majority of 40kgays are timmies that don't want anything but their precious Imperium discussed. Even if Yrliet didn't have her betrayal plotline, even if the character had a sex scene in game, they'd STILL b***h because anything not Imperium is bad and "muh grim darkness"
Heck they shit on the Cassia romance, or people that complain about lack of an Argenta one, because these subhumans fundamentally are emotionally stunted and can't handle any story being told that isn't about their shitty grimderp memes.
>If he was a he, then Marazhai would be a she, and all this shit would be about Marazhai instead of Yrliet
He's even worse than her so yeah, rightfully so. I can't imagine how annoying the eldargay + Camtard combination would be, we dodged a bullet with that one
That depends. Would Male Yrliet be immune to "Woman Moments" or are Eldar too feminine on a genetic level?
The drukhari companion isn't a woman
I should have named my ship the "Wrath of the Righteous"
I'm gonna steal that idea
frick that's a good one how
honestly Kingmaker is too
Anyone know how to fix Jae's act 4 quest? I'm supposed to pump the gas into the vents but I can't, there's no icon on the cogitator to do it. I already reloaded and redid the entire fricking quest so clearly the only thing left to do is to use toybox to somehow enable this
And no, going to the quest tab and completing it didn't work
>play Imperial Guard RT
>all my evil clones are wearing Imperial Navy attire
it was over before it even began
guardchads always win
Rise to the top... or get left in the dust 🙂
>best girl is (you)
i love this trope
Imagine reading that with anything but the pragmatic male voice, just chop off your dick already
do you Black folk ever stop projecting
pretty sure it's one guy. he's for some reason incredibly butthurt about women in 40k threads. best to ignore him
you spend a lot of time thinking about other men's balls, anon. Seek help
Wait, is the Eldartroon shitting up this thread noldorgay? It would explain a lot
Ok timmy.
Noldorgay hasn't been on these boards or /tg/ for at least a year, maybe two. Guy vanished into the mists a long time ago, but I suppose his specter will always haunt any discussion involving Elves of any kind, even space Elves.
Huh, I didn't know he was kill. I guess I should've suspected it though, Noldorgay would've known Kill Team has lore drops.
He is literally shitting up a warcraft thread as we speak.
Here on Ganker, I mean.
link?
Gotta respect the hustle. He's on the grind 24/7.
No, he isn't. Noldorgay was pretty recognizable, he would post images of (usually male) Elves in some kind of warrior gear or in battle with almost every one of his posts, and he had a frickton of them. He also would constantly bring up Tolkien, and occasionally WHFB Elves and say they were the only two Elves ever done right and everyone should follow their example. One guy saying he thinks Elves shouldn't be sex objects or some shit isn't Noldorgay, it's just some homosexual from twitter who would say that about any hot female, knife ears or no.
Noldorgay has abandoned these threads for a while. Actual Eldargays have taken over.
>i-it's j-just noldorgay
If it was noldorgay they'd not shit on people claiming the romance is bad, and in fact would support the romance being removed.
qrd on Noldorgay?
Shits up any thread remotely related to elves in fiction, and would do so on multiple threads across multiple boards simultaneously. He would start posting within minutes (at most) of a thread being made. Seems to have a troon like association to elf men and takes any reference to male human/female elf as if he were personally cuckolded. Shits up the thread with the same library of images for each thread, of which he has several hundred images of male elves per franchise whether it be WoW, 40K, etc
Oh so he hates lewd elves getting it with human men, what a homosexual.
I was disappointed that the Hereticus path doesn't come with any mutations, at least not that I saw, especially since Tzeentch is the one you serve.
>Jae talks about how she's lowborn scum in her little party in edgy elf city
>Cassia immediately starts parroting about how she may be lowborn but with a soaring spirit she can-
>"Cassia, please shut the frick up."
kek
act 3 and beyond broken as frick
gameplay loop is spam bring it down on argenta
no verticality to the maps
half the audio lines are missing
excel spreadsheet simulator
Paid a visit to the frozen prince system today after reaching Act II. Mostly just been exploring and gathering cargo to sell up to now, but I found a squad of CSM and a helbrute, so I guess I'm not meant to be over that way yet.
>*Lies*
What the frick is wrong with space marines? I just asked him innocuous questions about his chapter, why does this take Perception checks left and right?
I'm not far enough in the game to know the slides but a lot of a chapters culture is closely guarded for the initiated. Granted, Space Wolves are one of the more gregarious and friendly chapters to normies, even making sure they have non-astartes strength ale for their serfs during feasts and shit.
Only 95% pure alcohol.
>even making sure they have non-astartes strength ale for their serfs
based. best chapter
...What do they have to hide?
Space wolves in particular? Well first of all their geneseed is deviant and causes mutations. Second they worship a warp entity as a god besides the Emperor. Third, killed inqusitors and other imperial servants to keep their secrets.
No, the Space Wolves killed Inquisitors because they were infuriated about them sterilizing and purging the men and women in the Imperial Guard after they valiantly saved said world from Chaos. Wolves really place a huge emphasis on honor in battle and they felt that the Inquisition had no right to do that to warriors who fought so well and so hard, not only failing to reward them, but straight up killing them off or shipping them off to slave labor camps to work them to death, simply to keep word of Chaos from spreading.
It's not about "hiding", Ulfar for example specifically tells you he is not going to sing the tales of his fallen battle brothers to you because you aren't worthy, and the spirits of his brothers would be enraged if he did so, since you are not an honored brother that they spent centuries fighting alongside against the greatest terrors and horrors in the galaxy. And that's perfectly understandable, it mentions multiple times in your dialogues with Ulfar you are never really going to fully understand him since he's a nigh immortal killing machine that lives and breathes war, who has been around for centuries before you, and will likely be around for centuries afterwards.
Space Wolves have had multiple in canon(like codex/rulebook level canon not just Black Library novels) run ins with the Inquisition. It makes sense for them to be cagey.
>even making sure they have non-astartes strength ale for their serfs during feasts and shit
Tbf they have to, cause mjod would kill them even if it wasn't intoxicating
Marines aren't supposed to talk about their chapter culture with anyone except their fellow battle brothers.
made by owlcat
is it better to play with a keyboard/mouse or ps4 controller? just got the game
What space marine chapter would you have rathered over a space wolf and word bearer?
Blood Raven for loyalist and a renegade chapter for heretic, rather than a full on Chaos Marine
>Blood Raven
The fricking Ganker meme chapter.
Abelard, tell this anon he's a homosexual and then have another 2000 posters of Commander Boreal plastered among the lower decks
What better way is there to fill your ship with trophies besides having your own Magpie?
White Scar or Raven Guard cause I like them and they need more representation
Don't really care about any of the chaos legions besides Night Lords so them I guess.
Blood Raven
they're fun plus they make tableslop players and /tg/ trannies seethe
They aren't supported by GW anymore lol. Thrown into the trash heap of history.
Blood Ravens and Iron Warios
Black Templar or a Deathwatch (Alpha Legion) Blackshield
That idea about a Black Templar that would rally your loyalist companions in a final battle against a Heretic RT was actually kinda cool.
I want to watch a Black Templar seethe with all the psykers and xenos on your ship.
>Always find Marz somewhere nearby.
It's pushing it even having Ulfar, Heinrix, and Argenta tolerate the xenos presence on your ship, having a Black Templar put up with it would be downright impossible.
I don't think it'd be that impossible, but would certainly take some plot relevance for why he's there since Templars are notoriously individualistic if it's not about the chapter. There was a Templar in the Fall of Cadia that I recall developed a begrudging respect for Yvraines champion guy due to their shared views on martial honor. Gods of Mars is an older novel but has a group of, I think, Sword Brethren give their lives guarding a Farseer finishing her ritual to stop a FRICKED situation.
>having a Black Templar put up with it would be downright impossible
Why do lorelet tourists say this. Black Templars helped the Ynnari and travelled with them to Macragge
It would still be a bit of a stretch. The Fall of Cadia was an exceptional circumstance and had the blessing of a literal Imperial Saint in the flesh to take the edge off it.
NTA but I just want more cool Black Templars content. Helsreach is what got me into 40k and they've remained my favorite chapter since.
>Black Templars
>cool
I don't think there is a more childish and cringe chapter than BT.
>I don't think there is a more childish and cringe chapter than BT
Lamenters
I kneel
Well, it would be a single black templar. I'm sure in that situation pragmatism would win out.
Though a black templar wouldn't be interesting in that scenario since their hatred of xenos is a universal non personal thing. If you wanted a space marine with a more personal edge to their hatred you get a Salamander.
Eh, I think a Space Wolf was the best option for a RTs retinue, aren't they occasionally mercenaries that hire themselves out? Though I will say Ulfars reason for being in the Expanse is BULLSHIT, the LAST chapter that would answer a call for help from the Inquisition would be the Wolves. And the Wolves would be the last ones the Inquisition would ask for help, too. At least we get to see Ulfar banter with Jimi as a result, though.
>aren't they occasionally mercenaries that hire themselves out?
No. They have a specific long-standing pact with a major navigator house to provide them a bunch of Marines to chiefly act as bodyguards. Marine chapters don't hire out as mercs.
>aren't they occasionally mercenaries that hire themselves out?
No. They don't travel alone because their geneseed is secretly heretical so they don't want anyone to know. But that's ok. A space wolf is the only marine that can provide some banter most of the other big chapters are deathly serious like the dark and blood angels.
Fair, though for a zealous religious chapter, a living Saint especially one such as Celestine saying friends 🙂 is basically word of God for the Black Templars and would effectively codify their opinion on the matter.
Alpha Legion and Alpha Legion
An ultramarine of course
What sort of fricking accent did they give Jae? It's like some mix of Irish and god knows what, or did they just use an Irish VA and tell her to freestyle it?
I'd throw both elves into a warp storm if I could have a ratling companion.
The whole game
Lorgar did nothing wrong
how do I join the Adeptus Medickyius
Anyone know the Captain's (not Theodora) cache on Kiava Gamma is? From what I can tell I've been everywhere
I think it's the one in the NE part of the map, you click on a machine around there and it lets you get to it.
The one with the flamer ring? I thought it might be that but the quest didn't update when I looted it. Might be a bug.
Yeah I walked around that map because it didn't update the rumor but it has to be that, it was the only place I hadn't discovered the first time I went through KG.
>cuck raven fanboys
LMAO get fricked
>wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf awoooooooouwuooooooo
Space Wolves are easily the coolest Space Marine Chapter in the game, throwing furry accusations at them is merely cope from the less interesting and less popular chapters.
For Toybox do you need to put everything in the archive into a folder and name it 0ToyBox0 or do you follow the instructions to the letter and change the 1 folder to 0ToyBox0 and only put that in the unity mod manager?
I just followed the instructions precisely and it worked for me.
Yeah, I figured it out. I'm just moronic.
Same bro
Verification not required
moronic. Utterly moronic.
NigNog psyker alone makes the game a farce. Stupid c**t is a literal door to hell that hell can come out of at any time it likes, and ... you dont fricking shoot her dead immediately.
Thats like bathing in fricking acid and getting mad when you melt to death.
In this case the Acid frequently whispers to you the secrets of the universe so you know about incoming danger. Just don't get too close and you'll be fine.
>you dont fricking shoot her dead immediately.
You don't? I mean if you're playing that sort of character sure.
>NigNog psyker
Great, both a timmy and a /misc/tard.
Go back.
>Stupid c**t is a literal door to hell that hell can come out of at any time it likes
Don't forget that it literally does because a demon whispered in a mommy voice and she was either too stupid to realise or simply stupid and reckless enough to believe it
Uhhhhhhh frick haters I love my autistic knife-ear.
>We're gonna go meditate and hold hands later
Romance was a mistake and a flaw
>another Warhammer 40K game
>you play as le IMPERIUM again
Wake me up when you have a Chaos or Necron centered game.
>Chaos or Necron centered game.
anon...
You know what I mean b***h.
excellent bait
very high quality, I commend you anon
>you play as le IMPERIUM again
I'm one of the weirdos who loved Commoragh so I'd play an entire game of Eldar/DEldar shenanigans.
Can't be hard to make a game about Eldar corsairs raiding planets and managing resources. Imagine a sandbox game about being a corsair in the 40K universe, aiding fellow Aeldari and even working as a merc for some other factions. Frick, so many good ideas.
>Yrliet either has her soulstone shattered or she gives it to the rt
>she gives it to the rt
The frick? How do I save her soulstone, bros?
Just grab the bucket full the little shits, in the hidden bunker
Work peace out with the Eldar on both Janus and Qetza, and you're good. If you're in a romance with her, there's an additional step, don't interfere in the ritual she does to contact Alaitoc (which ends the romance), and lets her keep her soulstone, intact and whole, without handing it over to you. It's honestly her best ending, well, aside from simply telling her to stay with her own people after you peaceably resolve things on Janus rather than bringing her into your retinue.
>ends her romance
Then she doesn't give you the soulstone, which is what anon asked.
>Biel-Tan
>best craftworld
You have to be in one piece to be in contention Biel-tan gays.
>You have to be in one piece to be in contention Biel-tan gays.
Eat shit, Ynnari, you're nothing but cowards and fools. Even broken, Biel Tan does more for the Eldar than you.
>Ynnari
I actually don't have a favorite but if I had to pick I'd pick Ulthwe.
You're still in fricking LITERAL shambles Biel-Tan :^)
Even the outcast nerds at Alaitoc are doing better.
Me one of the dozen remaining jannies of Iyanden keeping the lights on and waking up the wraithboners as needed.
No, he asked how do you avoid having it break OR having her hand it over to the RT. Work on your reading comprehension.
No, he asked "how do I save her soulstone"
Which obviously means the romance option. You're just a homosexual going for the
>hurrr durr she shouldn't give her soulstone
argument like the moronic homosexual you are.
Eh, they retconned Biel-Tan yet again so they're functional now, since they're shelving the Ynnari storyline now that Kirby is out and Slaanesh isn't getting the axe.
Nta and it sucks that you can't do this and still have some kind of "you and Yrliet slowly start to rekindle your romance" outcome. Like what, she doesn't wonder why she's been through all this and RT doesn't try to tell her about meditating together and all that stuff? Feels like a bittersweet ending for the sake of having a bittersweet ending as opposed to something that would make sense.
You have to take the options that have the flag "path of the damned".
Basically it's the choices that have her recognize she isn't responsible for what happened to Crudarach, and she can't keep putting that responsibility on herself.
The other options encourage her to take responsibility for her people (or what remains of them), they're the "path of the warrior" choice.
anyone done an all guardsman party yet? thinking that i want to. give everyone a lasgun and a dream.
Maybe if one of the DLC adds a Heavy Lasweapon like a Multilaser
Other Anons already listed a lot of them but one I really have problems with is how certain companions are written in a way if you Role Play, you have no other solution but to kill them and I think it's shit. Idira, Yrliet & Jae's romance comes to mind. In Jae's case, when you sex her, she lets the whole ship or several thousand people hear you and when you confront her about it as a Rogue Trader, second to the Emperor she even mocks you for it in front of your officers! If you role play, it's instant kill, nothing else would be acceptable.
>If you role play, it's instant kill, nothing else would be acceptable.
This is, in fact, a you problem. Since you can only imagine roleplaying a hard ass with no sense of humor.
I'm not talking about making the ship hear per se but how she mocks you in front of your officers if you confront her on your very own Void ship, on the bridge. I know you like acting like a redditor of planet Earth but a Rogue Trader in Warhammer 40k isn't at all like that, so yes, it makes no sense, it's instant kill. It's not the same universe at all, it's the point of role playing.
ok ill give htis a pirate. are the bugs ironed out yet in patches or should I wait another year when the 'enhanced edition' arrives?
tldr: is it playable yet?
I dont mind a few bugs tho, I'm not a fricking zoomer.
Better wait for the enhanced edition.
First two acts are very well written, albeit combat balance breaks into a million pieces early act 2. Act 3 is playable, but after that you're most likely gonna need a lot of patience and reloading to progress through quests, or use toybox
It's a buggy mess, and last I checked some of the talents didn't work correctly and if you play as an Officer with Seize the Initiative you'll be stuck in a loop on your first turn in combat if you have no allies.
I still love the game, and if you play as a Soldier from a Fortress world you will never stop shooting.
I want to frick Incendia
Get in line
I can already tell these two will be fun to have together.
Apparently keeping them together is what lets Idira become more interested in the faith.
So they start to get along.
yeah i got rid of idira as soon as i could. who the frick does she, a heretical psyker, think she's talking to? gave her over to the inquisition get fricked you silly little shit.
Both are dumb c**ts, you just dislike one more because she's a Black person.
nah i'm just an emperor praising loyalist. that psyker was heretical and thought she could continue doing her heretical bullshit after theodora kicked the bucket. she deserved getting eternally anal raped by the inquisition. what kind of fricking psyker doesn't know how to keep their mouth shut amidst their betters? absolute clown.
Apologies friend
You're forgiven. Emperor protect.
Sure thing buddy. Praise Chaos.
Just as planned.
They actually become friendly after a while. Unless you bring both of them to Commorragh
Abelard, find a flaw in our game
Of course lord captain, it has xeno's you can recruit.
The navigator isn't a futa.
Futagays should be flayed alive
fishgays ARE furgays
imagine being a xenos lmao
this post was made by the Throne Gang
Everyone complained that Kingmaker was "too long" it wasn't, so now we have this game where there's frick all to do
No sister Argenta Romance. How could we have made so much progress from Baldur's Gate 3, just to slip back into a technological dark age?
>anon thinks RT is too woke because of one black psyker
You haven't seen anything yet.
Muh blacks is absolutely fricking moronic anyway. 40k humanity as a whole is genetically farther away from current day whites and blacks than they are from each other, what with all the genetic engineering and assorted shit happening in the Dark Age of Technology and beyond.
What's this?
Don't say it's for a companion DLC, I really wanted some Boyz content, a freebooter companion could be interesting.
Just a possible portrait for your rt
Ah, never paid too much attention to the portraits
The item stash in a seperate room with no other purpose
I
m in Act 4 and I'm just going to stop playing the game and try again next Xmas. Maybe it will be finished by then. Hopefully they actually improve it and aren't just working on DLC instead.
Does the Iconoclast option have any bigger story impacts or does it just not give you the profit factor from the deal?
It gives you more Iconoclast points. And no, the only real choice is feeding them or handing them over to Incendia, how you do that is irrelevant, whether it's for pay or because you're just that fricking moronic. Your RT looks like a gay, by the way, but then again, you're an Iconoclast so that makes sense.
>Dogmacucks still mad
Dogmatic:The thing i hate about good people is that the world doesn't tolerate good people,and it pisses me off when the world fricks a good person over
Oh so it doesn't matter then, ok.
>Your RT looks like a gay
He's straight youthful Aryan male who's naive enough to be an iconoclast
>its not enough that i act out my epic /misc/ deus vult fantasy in this single player video game, i have to constantly, in every single thread reply to every person that would rather make normal, level headed choices and tell them they are wrong for not having my special brand of psychosis
Take your meds gay.
No idea, but it's naive as frick to do as a RT, basically begging to get taken advantage of.
Your twink might as well romance Yrliet and help the Eldar if you're going down that road
I think it gives you a better justification for your actions, when you meet the other two RT's at your ceremony.
That RT is fujobait
>Cassia plays RT
Cassia's fantasies involve being courted by a nobleman, not your gay fantasies. I understand you're gay, but please don't use her to self insert, just play as a female RT or something.
>anon fails to grasp that people can fantasize about multiple things
are you a servitor by any chance
People are telling me it's harder than bg3? if i think bg3 is Hard should I not play rogue trader?
>BG3(literal)gays seething like always
Well my game launches to a black screen now
frick I hate fighting Eldar ships
>frick the Archenemy so hard I get a rumor about myself in the rumors tab
kino
How heretical can you get in this game? Are there heresy related companions or are the ones you meet as a Iconoclast the only ones?
You can eventually get a Khornate Berserker and a Chaos Space Marine on your side if you go Heretic, but it's pretty bare bones since neither of those really have any content and you lose out on four companions who actually have content in the trade since they peace the frick out after you dedicate yourself to the Chaos Gods.
>all legions
>hate some primarch/chapter
>night lords
>hate two captains
wut?
You can get a Word Bearer follower but no one bats an eye. I fact, a lot of people talk how they've heard rumors about this Word Bearer dude and how awful of a person he sounds, and if anyone met them they'd shit their pants from terror, all the whilr he's right fricking there in your paty two feet away from you.
You can also become a Daemon Prince
The combat system feels shallow after Pathfinder. Not a whole lot of options in comparison. However, it's far more intuitive as to what is good and what is shit.
>The combat system feels shallow after Pathfinder
The RT rpg was meant to be simple to facilitate storytelling over combat there was no chance of it being even half as deep as Pathfinder.
Mission accomplished there I suppose. I just wish there was a little more variety but it's still good and like I said far more intuitive than Pathfinder. I think what I really want is to have more active abilities since you really don't get a whole lot as you level.
do pleasure servitors exist
asking for a crewmate
no but people on Janus will frick servitors regardless
No, but surrogate mother servitors do.
>its a falsehood based on truth
lol
It’s okay, you can reply to me, no need to be scared.
I really like enjoying maximum bully and jerk in a lot of games, but was wondering if there's a lot of ways to get BAD ENDed for being mean to a character in Rogue Trader. Is it really obvious that an option is going to be instant death in dialogue?
You can refuse a Deldar's orders until he insta kills you. And you can get an insta death if you try to fly back to the Imperium. Those are the only ones ive found.
Iirc you can get a gameover in prologue if you refuse to be an RT.
Yes. It's pretty hilarious.
They drop you off at Rykard Minoris and then of course that entire fricking shitstorm goes down so you die in a daemon world.
Aren't DEldar the 'true' remnants of Eldar society? The craftworld ones are just nomads/military types right?