Claude was never a goody two-shoes. He literally stated in 3 Houses that the goal of saving Rhea was to draw support from the Knights and followers. Maybe actually pay attention to the story instead of your shitty headcanon
Him not being a goody two shoes is not equivalent to the pure moronation we’re seeing in Hopes.
Killing Rhea does nothing for his end goal because Adrestia have made it clear they want all of Fodlan and he knows it and he almost seized Fhirdiad so the kingdom has every reason to attack. He’s made an enemy out of everyone for a whole lot of nothing. If they had focused more on him allying with Almyra then he has leverage but he acts like killing Rhea is somehow going to end everything.
>Killing Rhea does nothing for his end goal because Adrestia have made it clear they want all of Fodlan
Claude's goal was never complete control of Fodlan. His goal is to eliminate the old ways and those who hold them up. That's why he allies with Edel, because why bother fighting someone who shares the same goal as you. >he almost seized Fhirdiad so the kingdom has every reason to attack
Dmiriti literally states that he's willing to cut lose the Church if it meant saving the kingdom. again, do you people even bother reading the dialogue? > He’s made an enemy out of everyone for a whole lot of nothing
Literally no one is even his enemy at the end of the GW path. Edelgard is his ally, Dimitri literally agrees with him and is willing to stop fighting. >If they had focused more on him allying with Almyra
Almyra was definitely underused, but they literally state multiple times that Almyra was dealing with its own internal struggle. Nader was really the only one who was able to help Claude. >but he acts like killing Rhea is somehow going to end everything
With her death, was there any reason for the 3 nations to even keep fighting? That's pretty much a wrap with her death.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Claude's goal was never complete control of Fodlan.
It was in Three Houses. More proof that his character was assassinated.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>what is context
2 years ago
Anonymous
What is context? You tell me.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not really. Claude wanted people to just get along, the only reason he made Byleth king of fodlan was because Edelgard already butfricked the kingdom into oblivion and had dimitri killed, and of course the empire needed to be put down as well, so both nations were pretty much kaput anyways. Meanwhile Byleth had been cemented as the divine chosen one in the eyes of the faith, so installing him as king after taking down the empire unified the continent under the only remaining authority figure and left him free to return to Almyra to fix things there and help make peace between the two countries.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nah.
2 years ago
Anonymous
2 years ago
Anonymous
>With her death, was there any reason for the 3 nations to even keep fighting
Yes because Edelgard made it clear she wants all of Fodlan under the Empire’s flag. After the central church is gone both Faerghus and Leicester are stolen soil. Unless Claude is willing to make Leicester a vassal state then she’s going for them after the kingdom is gone.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Yes because Edelgard made it clear she wants all of Fodlan under the Empire’s flag
She literally signs are pact with him in GW specifically to avoid large scare war between the empire and the federation. The empire had been stretched thin due to having to fight on multiple fronts and effectively lost at Gronder. >After the central church is gone both Faerghus and Leicester are stolen soil. Unless Claude is willing to make Leicester a vassal state then she’s going for them after the kingdom is gone.
It's unlikely either sides would want to keep fighting after that. Dimitri literally even agrees with both Claude and Edelgard.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>She literally signs are pact with him in GW specifically to avoid large scare war between the empire and the federation. The empire had been stretched thin due to having to fight on multiple fronts and effectively lost at Gronder.
Didn't GW end with Claude doing the Pikachu meme while the Empire and Kingdom continue having their conflicts and Shez telling him that it was all for nothing?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Didn't GW end with Claude doing the Pikachu meme while the Empire and Kingdom continue having their conflicts and Shez telling him that it was all for nothing?
No, Claude literally proposes ending the war after Rhea's defeat
2 years ago
Anonymous
>No, Claude literally proposes ending the war after Rhea's defeat
Doesn’t mean shit if the other two don’t agree to it which the ending implies they won’t.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>hey holy king I murdered your pope, wanna be friends?
2 years ago
Anonymous
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It's not that detailed, the ending narration just says he proposed peace but it was unsure whether anybody would accept
The ending says that the war continues, the Kingdom is still under attack from the Empire and Federation, and that it's uncertain if anyone will accept Claude's offer. Based on Edelgard's tendency to break agreements and backstab in general, even in this game, Claude's plan won't work, Adrestia still wants its boot on all of Fodlan.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Didn't GW end with Claude doing the Pikachu meme while the Empire and Kingdom continue having their conflicts and Shez telling him that it was all for nothing?
No, Claude literally proposes ending the war after Rhea's defeat
It's not that detailed, the ending narration just says he proposed peace but it was unsure whether anybody would accept
2 years ago
Anonymous
>She literally signs are pact with him in GW specifically to avoid large scare war between the empire and the federation
A pact she signed when they were losing doesn’t mean she’ll stick to it once the Empire regains it strength. Again once the central church is gone Faerghus and Leicester are stolen Empire soil and Claude knows this.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You don't sign a pact with a state you don't recognize. Clearly, Edelgard respects the federation and even agrees with their leader's ambitions. why would they even fricking bother fighting then?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Clearly, Edelgard respects the federation and even agrees with their leader's ambitions. why would they even fricking bother fighting then?
Because Edelgard sees the Alliances/Fed as an illegitimate state created from imperial territory.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>You don't sign a pact with a state you don't recognize.
Which gives Edelgard a great propaganda tool to claim Leicester is stupid and Edelgard never betrayed them.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Which gives Edelgard a great propaganda tool to claim Leicester is stupid and Edelgard never betrayed them
even though the federation literally came to Edelgard's rescue?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes. Adrestia wants all of Fodlan, and it likes to make propaganda.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I love that Lorenz was the one who said "let's just let Edelgard die"
Technically he could come back, he fell from a cliff so we never saw a body. It's a reach but DLC could bring Agarthan-Zombie Shahid. Basically the deadlords archetype again. What if they used his body to house on of the 10 elites?
Say what you will about Claude's character assassination, but really I'm more mad about the fact that they hype us up for an 'alliance v almyran' plot only for it to go nowhere. I can't be the only one who was expecting the molemen to create darth shahid and have to fight him as the true final boss of golden wildfire right?
The Agarthans were a constant reason for why the Blue Lions had to keep retreating, the Almyrans should have been the reason for Claude and the Knights of Seiros should have been the reason for Edelgard.
For how minor Shahid was, why did they give him a unique Wyvern Class when he's just an axe wielding Wyvern Lord in effect anyways?
Smells like cut content to me. The sudden shift to Claude siding with Edelgard and declaring the Central Church as the true enemy of the route comes out of absolutely nowhere, I am surely convinced that they did it just to save time and copy-paste Rhea's bossfight from Scarlet Blaze.
Would not surprise me, same shit happened in houses where they just reused silver snow for the deer route. I heard that originally houses was just going to be edelgard and dimitri with claude being an afterthought so the alliance getting shafted in development again doesn't seem too surprising, though it is still frustrating.
All I wanted from Shahid was to be Claude's foil. Two brothers who grew up under the same roof. Claude gets discriminated for his mixed heritage shaping him up to become a dreamer who wants to end discrimination. Meanwhile Shahid, who's an Almyran pureblood, is beloved by the people and develops a traditionalist mindset. Claude's the better ruler of the two, but Shahid is the better warrior which is why Claude relies on schemes to gain the upper hand. FRICK there's so many things I wanna list off. Was giving Almyra the limelight too much to ask for?
HOLY FRICK IT'S JUST NOT FAIR!
>I can't be the only one who was expecting the molemen to create darth shahid and have to fight him as the true final boss of golden wildfire right?
sounds like Takumi 2.0. Frick that gay shit. Frick fates and frick you
And? Claude's deciding that murdering Rhea is the best way to achieve his goals is moronic, particularly when the church nothing to inspire such vitriol.
>particularly when the church nothing to inspire such vitriol
do you people even fricking bother reading the dialogue? he literally explain it multiple times throughout the story (in both games) that his problem is with the church's doctrine on foreigners and crests. his goal was to abolish the old doctrine, and seeing that Rhea was the one who upheld those laws, he saw fit to eliminate her. >but what about 3 Houses
what about it. in that Rhea was too weak to lead the church again and the doctrines were still eliminated. different means to the same end
>he literally explain it multiple times throughout the story (in both games) that his problem is with the church's doctrine on foreigners and crests
This is one of the problems of the game where the characters do a whole lot of talking and explaining what their motivations are, but we never ever see the actual problem(s) they're fighting against. It's almost impossible to believe because the characters are arguing from a point of view that we never get to see, meanwhile we see Rhea feeding orphans from foreign nations and generally acting benevolently.
Claude is getting mocked as a moron not just because of the above, but because how short-sighted he is in the grand scheme of things. Does he honestly believe that Edelgard would stop warring when the Church is gone? Or that she wouldn't turn against him the moment she realized that the Federation is a bigger threat than the Kingdom? (Granted, Edelgard has downs-syndrome and won't realize it herself, but Hubert would at some point).
>Claude is getting mocked as a moron not just because of the above, but because how short-sighted he is in the grand scheme of things.
Hit the nail on the head anon. His actions don’t line up with his end goal and seems to be making it up as he goes. If we work under the assumption that he wants to eliminate the prejudice the church perpetuates while leaving the kingdom intact as a buffer against the empire why attack the capital?
Even if Faerghus abandons the church does he think they’ll suddenly change their attitude towards crests and foreigners when Leicester’s actions validated those attitudes. He brought Almyran forces to help siege Fhirdiad to prove that they should be nice to foreigners?
He’s stupid and thinking only of the short term, Dimitri’s reaction to seeing the Leicester/Almyra alliance wouldn’t be “oh maybe we should talk to our neighbours too” which he was already doing. His reaction would be “that fricking mutt prince brought a foreign power to our doorstep”.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I mean, you can kinda sorta see his thought process with the whole "put the Federation in an advantageous position by any means necessary" along with the pressure of being given power before he was ready for it, which explains the alliance with the Empire. If that's all that was and he was conspiring on putting his country in a position where Edelgard couldn't retaliate, the story would likely be more sensible.
Them suddenly having him go "the only way to solve religious bigotry among the populace is to murder the pope" makes him into a pure moron, unfortunately.
>It's almost impossible to believe because the characters are arguing from a point of view that we never get to see, meanwhile we see Rhea feeding orphans from foreign nations and generally acting benevolently.
Rhea is also the one forcing crest-wielders to hold all the power in each nation, having closed borders, censoring books, banning technology, and doing deplorable experiments to try and bring her mother back. I can understand being sympathetic for her, but don't paint her as a saint (ironically). Also the nations around Fodlan are not "benevolent". Almyra frequently raids and the empire was in a long war against Dagda. >Does he honestly believe that Edelgard would stop warring when the Church is gone?
He was able to stop war between them so it's not a reach to think that war between the empire and the kingdom will end with their the empire's goals essentially achieved.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Rhea is also the one forcing crest-wielders to hold all the power in each nation, having closed borders, censoring books, banning technology, and doing deplorable experiments to try and bring her mother back.
Lol. Okay, you got me at first but now you're being too obvious with your bait.
2 years ago
Anonymous
everything i mentioned is literally told in-game
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Rhea is also the one forcing crest-wielders to hold all the power in each nation, having closed borders, censoring books, banning technology, and doing deplorable experiments to try and bring her mother back.
You're on the wrong site for this kind of shit, kid. ResetERA is that way --->
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Rhea is also the one forcing crest-wielders to hold all the power in each nation, having closed borders, censoring books, banning technology, and doing deplorable experiments to try and bring her mother back. I can understand being sympathetic for her, but don't paint her as a saint (ironically). Also the nations around Fodlan are not "benevolent". Almyra frequently raids and the empire was in a long war against Dagda.
That's not what the Church of Seiros teaches. Book of Seiros Volume II said that the goddess picked humans to have Crests and Relics to fight off an evil, but that Crests and Relics didn't make anyone more or less human than anyone else. It was basically "with great power, there must also be great responsibility." When people ignored the goddess and started hoarding wealth, grabbing land, making a tiered society, and waging war against each other, it was considered a sin so foul that the goddess left Fodlan. Furthermore, the closed border stuff is nonsense, as addressed in
>he literally explain it multiple times throughout the story (in both games) that his problem is with the church's doctrine on foreigners and crests. his goal was to abolish the old doctrine, and seeing that Rhea was the one who upheld those laws, he saw fit to eliminate her.
The issue is that the stuff he spouts about the doctrine on foreigners is all false, as evidenced by Shamir existing in Fodlan, being in the Knights of Seiros and respected wherever she goes, etc. There's also trade for Albinean moose meat, seeds, berries, etc., similar trade with Morfis, a battalion trained in Morfis, exotic spices from east of Almyra that Shamir of all people loves, Cyril being adopted, the church never being opposed to Lambert's attempted talks with Duscur, etc. The church even actively helps the people of Duscur, and in their own territory to boot, not a diaspora.
, books are moved to Abyss instead of censored, and if technology was genuinely slowed down, all the things spoken of are seen readily in the modern day of Three Houses. Also, Rhea's experiments seemed to use homunculi, since it's not mentioned that bodies go missing or people get abducted.
>he literally explain it multiple times throughout the story (in both games) that his problem is with the church's doctrine on foreigners and crests. his goal was to abolish the old doctrine, and seeing that Rhea was the one who upheld those laws, he saw fit to eliminate her.
The issue is that the stuff he spouts about the doctrine on foreigners is all false, as evidenced by Shamir existing in Fodlan, being in the Knights of Seiros and respected wherever she goes, etc. There's also trade for Albinean moose meat, seeds, berries, etc., similar trade with Morfis, a battalion trained in Morfis, exotic spices from east of Almyra that Shamir of all people loves, Cyril being adopted, the church never being opposed to Lambert's attempted talks with Duscur, etc. The church even actively helps the people of Duscur, and in their own territory to boot, not a diaspora.
When you get characters like Dimitri who agree with Claude about what he says about the Church, you have to conclude its just bad writing and the Church is supposed to be bad but they failed to show it. Claude seemingly isn't supposed to be mistaken in-universe
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's the absence of writing, there are even arranged marriages in the setting that have no church involvement whatsoever, not even culturally. The church even funds Hanneman's research into making Crests irrelevant.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Oh, I really wanted someone to mention this. I played through this part yesterday in Japanese, and what Dimitri says is the following: >…クロード。お前の考えは理解できる。個人にしては、賛成してもいいとさえ思う。 >...Claude. I can understand your thinking. If you ask me personally, I think I could even agree with it.
At no point does he imply that Claude is correct. He just says that he understands his thinking, but that his methods will lead to more harm than good.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>If you ask me personally, I think I could even agree with it.
Is this not the same exact thing that we are complaining about?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not quite, saying I think I can agree is not the same as saying I agree.
2 years ago
Anonymous
But what he should be saying is NO THAT'S WRONG
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not necessarily.
The English version just states that Dimitri flat out agrees with Claude here in being anti-church.
The original Japanese instead has Dimitri attempt to look at it from Claude’s point of view and see how one would come to that conclusion and see themselves in the right.
Subtle, but wholly different.
its barely a difference; if claude was completely wrong about what he's saying, then dimitri should not even think he could agree. dont try to defend the writers by scapegoating the translators
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's a big difference if you consider what kind of character Dimitri is. He always tries to see the otherside, no matter hoe stupid.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It’s a HUGE difference.
It’s the difference, for example, of someone saying “I’m a Nazi!” flat out to “I have read the conditions that lead to you being a Nazi and I suppose if I had lived through the same experience I might have agreed with you.”
One is, “I agree with you!” and the other’s “I can empathize with your past experiences.”
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's a big difference if you consider what kind of character Dimitri is. He always tries to see the otherside, no matter hoe stupid.
it isnt a huge difference at all in evaluating the substance of what claude is saying. you're just coping
2 years ago
Anonymous
No, you’re just illiterate and too committed to headcanon.
2 years ago
Anonymous
yeah i'm not the guy trying to deflect bad writing with quibbles and translations
2 years ago
Anonymous
It’s quite literally a translation error though. It’s not like they changed his favorite color from green to lavender, they actually missed whole words.
2 years ago
Anonymous
you sound exactly like the edeltards who blame the translators for this line.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Post the original Japanese transcript.
2 years ago
Anonymous
それで、貴方は奪い返し……踏みにじり返せば気が済むの?
2 years ago
Anonymous
それで、貴方は奪い返し……踏みにじり返せば気が済むの?
>And will you be satisfied if you plunder it all back and trample us in return?
Yeah, it's not any less moronic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
its completely different; Edelgard in the Japanese is obviously saying that Dimitri shouldn't be reconquering because it won't bring him happiness, whereas this extremely important nuance is lost in the English version. fricking translators making great writing bad.
2 years ago
Anonymous
even then it’s still emotional manipulation
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Dimitri shouldn't be reconquering because it won't bring him happiness >needing any reason other than it’s his home
2 years ago
Anonymous
What was the word they missed?
2 years ago
Anonymous
The original Japanese posted here
Oh, I really wanted someone to mention this. I played through this part yesterday in Japanese, and what Dimitri says is the following: >…クロード。お前の考えは理解できる。個人にしては、賛成してもいいとさえ思う。 >...Claude. I can understand your thinking. If you ask me personally, I think I could even agree with it.
At no point does he imply that Claude is correct. He just says that he understands his thinking, but that his methods will lead to more harm than good.
is basically “I would agree but my station doesn’t permit me” and is further elaborated in the later text as “even if I disagree, it’s not worth starting a violent upheaval in my Kingdom for it.”
Whereas the english translation simplifies it to just “I agree!” with no elaboration
2 years ago
Anonymous
The English version has the same elaboration. See
Dimitri's three point manifesto for why even though he personally agrees with Claude (and Edelgard) that the Church sucks, he can't support abolishing it because he's the king of Faerghus
2 years ago
Anonymous
Its the same in the English version
2 years ago
Anonymous
Please tell me you're not basing your arguments off of what you're reading in this thread. Look at the full conversation in the game.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No because he's trying to look at it from the perspective of someone that's ignorant of Fodlan's true nature and then explaining, in a way they can understand, that they're wrong.
2 years ago
Anonymous
He says that he disagrees with Claude because he's the king of Faerghus and so can't have that perspective. So what follows if he wasn't the king of Faerghus?
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's not what he says though
2 years ago
Anonymous
It is literally what he says.
2 years ago
Anonymous
If we go by his “three points” here
Dimitri's three point manifesto for why even though he personally agrees with Claude (and Edelgard) that the Church sucks, he can't support abolishing it because he's the king of Faerghus
he probably just wouldn’t care at all. His constraints come only because he’s the King to begin with.
If he wasn’t royalty to begin with, he’d probably just be among the commoners who’d be more preoccupied with the resulting civil war and chaos.
2 years ago
Anonymous
But that's not what Dimitri is saying. He says >If you ask me personally, I think I could even agree with it.
What do you think it would look like if you were talking to a nazi and said
"If you ask me personally I think I could even agree to gassing the israelites, however the israelites in my country would get mad at me if I said that out loud"
2 years ago
Anonymous
"I could agree" is a lot closer to what the English translation says, so it's a weird line in general, unless you assume he thinks Claude is insane and is thus deflecting to not get shot in voidsville.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not necessarily.
The English version just states that Dimitri flat out agrees with Claude here in being anti-church.
The original Japanese instead has Dimitri attempt to look at it from Claude’s point of view and see how one would come to that conclusion and see themselves in the right.
Subtle, but wholly different.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I’m starting to think the translators here were just incompetent
2 years ago
Anonymous
The fact that even Dimitri could even think to agree with Claude's BS is a fricking joke.
2 years ago
Anonymous
How long did it take you to learn nip?
2 years ago
Anonymous
You can get a decent base in about 3 years, after that it's mostly momentum. It's like any language really, just the writing system is a b***h.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not necessarily.
The English version just states that Dimitri flat out agrees with Claude here in being anti-church.
The original Japanese instead has Dimitri attempt to look at it from Claude’s point of view and see how one would come to that conclusion and see themselves in the right.
Subtle, but wholly different.
It’s a HUGE difference.
It’s the difference, for example, of someone saying “I’m a Nazi!” flat out to “I have read the conditions that lead to you being a Nazi and I suppose if I had lived through the same experience I might have agreed with you.”
One is, “I agree with you!” and the other’s “I can empathize with your past experiences.”
It’s quite literally a translation error though. It’s not like they changed his favorite color from green to lavender, they actually missed whole words.
I don't like the line either but this is some serious reaching. He says he can agree PERSONALLY, which refers to his own perspective, not Claude's.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Why would Dimitri say he could agree to something that he thought was incorrect?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Because Dimitri has a separation between what he personally believes and what he must do as king. It's the same as his support with Catherine in Houses. Dimitri, the person, would love to be free and live the life of a mercenary and go wherever he pleases. But as he says he is the son of a king and so he has duties he must fulfill, he cannot live for himself because his life is not his own. In the case of Hopes he can empathize and even agree with Claude's worldview. But as a king he cannot act on it. His kingdom has just been through multiple political upheavals. His people are in desperate need of stability. Even if he personally believed in what Claude was saying he can't put his people through even more upheaval to make Claude's vision a reality. Because just as he says with his parlay with Edelgard, it's about what the people want. Not what he personally wants.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah and if Dimitri wasn't king and had responsibilities to his people that outweigh his personal opinions he'd agree with Claude's worldview. That's the entire fricking point of this conversation, that Dimitri doesn't think Claude is actually wrong. This has nothing to do with Dimitri's duties, but everything to do with Dimitri agreeing that the Church does all the bad things Claude accuses it of doing. For Dimitri those bad things aren't enough to justify an abolishment. That doesn't mean the bad things don't exist for Dimitri, he just has different priorities.
We don't need your waxing philosophic on Dimitri's characterization when that was never the point
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're right, but the issue people are having is whether or not Dimitri disagrees with what Claude says the church is responsible for. If Dimitri is saying "the church is as bad as you say, but I can't afford to demolish it myself" that still creates problems for the writing because as far as what we've seen, the things Claude says in that scene should not be true and Dimitri should know that they are not true.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Dimitri likes Rhea, not necessarily the church. I know they're more or less synonymous, but I don't think he considers the charity from Rhea as acts of the church as a whole, but Rhea as a person.
2 years ago
Anonymous
yet again running into the problem that is rhea and the church are synonymous in the game's writing, when they don't seem like they're supposed to be
2 years ago
Anonymous
Tbf this is a problem with 3H’s storytelling as a whole. If Rhea is to be interpreted as a villain for questionable actions, but is also conflated with the Church due to being its equivalent of the Pope and also being the latest fake identity adopted by its founding saint, then everyone projects their view of Rhea as an evil zealot on to the Church, who are literally just following orders and have been overwhelmingly portrayed as altruistic and helpful. Plus, Rhea is basically totally inoffensive and sinless in Three Hopes.
2 years ago
Anonymous
My problem with the writing is that in order for the evil tyrannical Rhea thing to work you have to make her evil and tyrannical even if she's doing it with a smile. This sort of thing is at its worst in Crimson Flower. Because at Rhea's absolute worst she tells everyone that they're not allowed to have gunpowder and napalm. She tells him not to have a lot of other things but seeing as how those things exist in game, like Ignatz the commoner having access to fricking corrective lenses and Hanneman having a monocle, you can argue in favor of it. But when you're comparing that to the Demonic Beasts then even if you think she's morally gray she's going to look better then the emperor that's creating them. So then you have to make her do something so completely deranged that she has never done in a full millennium in order to justify the idea that Rhea was actually evil the entire time. Which is really fricking stupid. A lot of the arguments against the church is that they are reacting wrong to literal attempted murder. All of the factions kill dissenters all the time, why does only one get that fact used against them as some sort of moral failing?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>All of the factions kill dissenters all the time, why does only one get that fact used against them as some sort of moral failing
You clearly haven’t seen people use that argument against Dimitri, for fighting back against fighting the Empire and his murder boner for Edelgard, or Edelgard herself, for her tyrannical actions and her wanton killing of believers in the non-CF routes.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Unless you mean ingame, but no one in the OG 3H ever seriously calls Rhea evil for ordering Lonato’s death, for example, at best they’re just kind of shocked by it. Not even Edelgard finds it particularly objectionable, since she seems to view him as an acceptable loss.
2 years ago
Anonymous
This point is raised in some conversation (don't remember which). Basically, the upper echelon of the Church (Rhea, Seteth and their direct subordinates) are generally very tolerant and understanding. But a bunch of lower tier folks are either pushy with their religion or intolerant of outsiders. However, that doesn't solve the problem of Claude and Edelgard thinking that the church imposes a caste system and/or impede outside relations when it's patently untrue.
>Canonically Varly tried to arrange a marriage between Bernadetta and Ferdinand. >In Hopes Bernadetta is Ferdinand's attendant for the invasion of Leicester.
They're still one of my favored pairings.
I actually really liked it when Claude was talking about how rich they would become after stealing Gronder Field from the Empire. I wish we could have seen more of THAT side of him than the anti-church crap they pulled.
All Claude's route needed was him betraying Edelgard in the second half, carving a chunk of the Empire as his own, and Almyra being a bigger threat.
You can even keep the killing of the Pope. Just combine the Agarthan maps with more Almyra missions, Shahid got his information from someone after all.
"Causing a race war between Faerghus and Sreng?" I beg to differ, my friend.
See, what happened was just a polite disagreement. I simply moved our army in such a way that it gave Sreng the perfect chance to peacefully let their grievances known, honest!
Oh, Margrave Gautier died? That's such a shame...dying of old age really bites, you know? But surely a heart attack can't be blamed on some peaceful protesters, right?
Besides, even if this really was a "race war" -- and I use that term loosely, mind you -- maybe Faerghus deserves it? After all, if they weren't so religious, maybe they could have kept an open mind.
So no, this really wasn't my fault, and if it was, it certainly wasn't a race war. And if it was, then Faerghus certainly deserved it.
Now, how about you hear of my next plan? I'm going to have Ignatz paint a portrait of Petra in the middle of her clitoridectomy and have it sent to Brigid, where I imagine they will hang it proudly in their throne room. And if there's any problem, I can always send them Edelgard's way, right?
>Be Claude >Lysithea angrily snaps at someone saying that they can't understand her >Somehow find some slitherer's research, kidnap some kiddies from her land, and shove a second crest into them >"Nothing personal, I just wanted to see if you'd cheer up now that you have people like you."
>Hinge the entire game's narrative on a route meant to be played after every other one >Cater White Clouds specifically to setting up that route before getting derailed by the conflict with the timeskip >Forget to actually polish the apex route because you decided to make a clone of the Church route but traded Rhea vs. Nemesis for Nemesis vs. Literally who so that the epic pwn of the Church is saved for the last route >Left with two unsatisfying decent routes, a good route that doesn't actually address the main conflicts, and a half-assed final route that's so undeveloped it comes off as fanfiction
Clearly the crests are to blame
2 years ago
Anonymous
Rhea vs Nemesis was never going to be a thing, don't know why so many people keep talking about it. Just watch the opening cutscene if you want to see it.
>Muh number of cutscenes
Dude VW stole 4 cutscenes from SS and AM in part 2.
That's why people are saying VW is filler. You could remove Claude and the Alliance from the game and you wouldn't lose much.
The same can't be said with Edelgard and Dimitri.
>Verdant Wind is literally the only worthwhile campaign in Houses
You mean Azure Moon. The game from the getgo does not hide that it was designed to develop the Blue Lions characters the most.
Edeltard's route is clearly the filler route. It's short as frick and is only interesting for how different it is in comparison to every other route. They don't even bother dealing with the slithermen onscreen.
Edelgard's route was rushed in development, sure, but they still clearly intended the main selling points being Dimitri as the "real" protagonist to follow, while Edelgard's the "what if" to try after to follow a bad guy's story.
>but they still clearly intended the main selling points being Dimitri as the "real" protagonist to follow
Imagine being this delusional.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm glad Edelgard's voice got changed.
2 years ago
Anonymous
If she kept that old voice she would be way cuter.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The old one sounds way better honestly and keeping her around would have prevented this.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Dimitribros... we didn't even get a single line of dialogue in the debut trailer? I thought we were the protagonists....
2 years ago
Anonymous
It frustrates me how much better the game looks in trailers. The maps even had varying elevations and the battalions were more active fighting.
I wish the didn't have to downgrade it for shitty consoles like the switch.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The real protagonist is Byleth. The dev literally confirmed in their interviews that SS was the first route they made and wanted to create a bait-and-switch tactic where gamers who fooled into thinking Edelgard is making sense, but turns out she's in the wrong and is just as misinformed about the situation as Claude or Dimtri is.
This is coming from VW fan BTW, I loved that route and thought it was the best, but I don't pretend to think it's canon. Obviously, the one route where Byleth rejects Edelgard, Claude, and Dimitri, and they all end up dying without Byleth, should be the major hint that's the canon one because Byleth doesn't play favorites.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Well yeah I'm just arguing against the idea that Dimitri was marketed as a main selling point of the game.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Also the devs: its not canon.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Is this real? Then what was the deal with all the early chapters being tied to Blue Lions characters, like Ashe's dad, Sylvain's brother, etc. Actually, it even extends to a bunch of other characters having relationships throughout the story too.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Because the Kingdom becomes an afterthought after the time skip, they give it more attention in White Clouds.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I guess what I'm asking is that, did they make the second half of the game first? Because with how focused the game is on the Blue Lions characters in terms of the beginning and the character relationships, it seemed like in development they put their best efforts on the Blue Lions route, then ran out of steam when it was time to work on the Black Eagles route.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I think you are grossly overexaggerating how much focus is put on the Blue Lions characters.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The early chapters you could argue have more of an emphasis on either Blue Lions (Ashe, Sylvain, Mercedes because of the Death Knight) or kinda Black Eagles (Death Knight stuff again with Edelgard and Hubert), but it's not really balanced between all 3 main routes (heck, one of the chapters is even called "Field of the Eagle and Lion"). That's not to mention setups like Felix and his dad, Annette and hers, etc. That's not to say that the other houses don't have random character specialty, it's just that Blue Lions has more of it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I think you are grossly overexaggerating how much focus is put on the Blue Lions characters.
White clouds has 12 chapters. If you divide up the chapters based on themes
>1
Church focused. Mock battle to prove your worth as a teacher
>2
Church focused. ARGUABLY Empire focused. Killing Kostas, the assassin the Flame Emperor hired
>3
Church + Kingdom focused. The Western Church and Lonato both reside in the Kingdom and Lonato's anger is rooted in the Tragedy of Duscur. An explanation that's locked to 2 Blue Lions.
>4
Church focused. The western church is an enemy but they aren't claiming the kingdom in their attack
>5
Kingdom focused. Miklan's attack both takes place in the Kingdom and is focused on a Blue Lion
>6
Church focused. The Flame Emperor appears so you can stretch and say there's some Empire there
>7
Church focused
>8
Empire focused
>9
Church focused
>10
Heavy Church focus
>11
Church + Empire focused. The beginning of the war and the start of the true plot of the game
>12
Church + Empire focused. This is the start of the biggest conflict in the game
>Church 10 >Kingdom 2 >Empire 3. MAYBE 5
I think the reason why everyone thinks white cloud has so much attention on the kingdom is because you can actually go there and see the Kingdom's problems for yourself so they make more of an impact. Whereas you only visit the Empire once and no one talks about how it's a reflection of the Empire itself. There's also the matter that there are 5 Kingdom paralogues in White Clouds. That's more than the 3 Alliance paralogue and the 1 (shared with Ingrid) Black Eagles and the 5 (one shared with Hilda) Seiros paralogues.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>The first and second parts of the Empire route.. which is called by the userbase as the “Church Route”, Silver Snow. The progression of Class Leader Edelgard to become the antagonist… that is what we initially decided upon. It was from there, that every route’s story and the progression of other Lords as characters were expanded by the Koei Tecmo Scenario Team. As the Class Leader would leave, the Black Eagles were initially decided to be the most difficult route as imagined (gameplay difficulty). >Ahh, this is about losing access to the most powerful unit that you would be raising, right? This is pretty bad, yeah. >In my personal opinion, I think that some cruelty from the parts of developers is necessary. This is because if we weren’t cruel/callous in any way, then, just like pre-established harmony where everything only interacts with itself, it would be easy for readers/players to predict everything that will happen. A scenario that would completely be predicted by the reader/player is not something that feels attractive. And that’s why we went all out that way, but the wish to walk with Edelgard was incredibly strong even in the development team. Walking with Edelgard in “Crimson Flower”, or rather known as the, “Supreme Ruler Route” is something we honestly meant to be much more difficult to enter. >The Black Eagles Story was the first story Kusakihara-san wrote, so I thought you might be more against this, but it’s nice that we are able to go into a route split here, so the “Unpredictable Story” that Kusakihara-san wanted was able to be achieved through this form. It feels like you were able to make it without much deviations right from the planning stage all the way
Honestly the development for Three Houses comes across as a mess
2 years ago
Anonymous
I want someone to beat Kusakihara a paddle for the crest plots that only served to frick the stories over.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>kusakihara has talked about how there's a bunch of lore that only he knows that he might forget because he hasn't written it down
I want to kidnap the guy and interrogate him
2 years ago
Anonymous
So wait, how would the students work in the original game? Would you get the Black Eagle kids as normal and everyone else was locked behind the recruitment system?
Edeltard's route is clearly the filler route. It's short as frick and is only interesting for how different it is in comparison to every other route. They don't even bother dealing with the slithermen onscreen.
No, that's their upcoming game which is an RTS. Triangle Strategy is really great, it's basically a spiritual successor to Final Fantasy Tactics. The story is not as good, but it nails the gameplay and the music, and it's pretty challenging.
>ywn fully level Hanneman as a Dark Bishop >ywn give Hanneman proficient Witstrike >ywn reclass him to War Master >Tfw you'll never see Hanneman dispatch enemies with the grace and poise of a true gentleman's sport: Pugilism.
I dunno with byleth they actually cast spells with their strong attack but with Shez aside from being grape flavored and aside from the tornado on his C4 the rest of his moves are sword beams and flash steps. In other musou games that's not that weird for the speedy warrior types. On a semi-related gripe non of shez's strong attacks or class actions trigger of essence of dorkness too
>Be Claude >Edelgard wants to meet to discuss their alliance and 'the future of their endeavors together' >Deliberately wait and let Thales mindrape her back to a 12-year old >"Nothing personal, but I wanted to see if I could get an upper hand in negotiations."
>Be Claude >Marianne confesses that she's feeling dispirited and depressed because of the war >Tie her up in the rape room and let Dorte have his way with her >"No offense, I just wanted to see if you still believed in the goddess saving you."
>Be Claude >Shahid is angrily ranting at you about you being a lowborn and that he deserves the regency >Chuck him over a cliff >"Nothing personal, I just wanted to see if you could be more down to earth."
>Be Claude >Leonie is worried about thieves and poachers targeting her hometown >Take preemptive action by razing her town >"Nothing personal, I just wanted to see if they'd still bother when there's nothing there."
This is a way better premise than what Claude did in hopes that I'm actually kind of mad. Claude focusing on an entirely different enemy that just happens to side with antagonists fits well. Edelgard and Dimtri just fighting each other out while Claude is trying to tell them invading force led by his traditionalist brother is out there just waiting to kill them all? It's Kino, but all we got is Claude falling for Slitherer propaganda.
>now that all the Edeltards are finally dead
Dimitrigays have taken the place of Edelgays for most obnoxious posters because the only person that defends her is Nick or shitposters looking to bait.
>Raphael goes back to his village to visit his sister Maya >Granpa tells him the alliance leader himself came pick her up to take her to Raphael >Confused Raph goes back to camp, to be met with splotches of blood leading him to the forest >There he sees his sister's mangled body, her arms tied to two trees to prop her up, as a pack of wolves eat her >Claude sits there with a muted smile as he watches her >Furious Raphael grabs him up by his collar and bashes him against a tree >"Claude, how could you ever do something like that, you're an evil monster" he screams, a mix of rage and tears >Claude, keeping his empty smile, simple responds >"nothing personal Raphael, I just wanted to see what you would be like without her"
>A liberal homosexual feminist Almyran professor classed as a Mortal Savant was teaching a class about Khalid, the king of Almyra and former head of the Leicester Alliance as a part of his history curriculum.
>”Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and bow to His Majesty and accept that vile racism permeates the Church of Seiros’ doctrine!”
>At this moment, a brave, patriotic, young Wyvern Rider, himself an Almyran who had witnessed the cruelty of his people first-hand and fully supported all decisions made by Lady Rhea stood up.
>”How’s it racist?”
>The arrogant pleb smirked quite Almyranly and smugly replied “The Church preaches prejudice against foreigners, you stupid bootlicker.”
>”Nope. Lady Rhea lets all sorts of foreigners into the monastery, and has no patience for bigots. Plus, you’re Almyran too, right? If the church was racist, you’d never have gotten a job here.”
>The racebaiting snake was visibly shaken, and dropped his copy of Fodlander Fragility on the ground. He stormed out of the room crying Almyran crocodile tears. They were the same kind of tears Almyran warriors shed while fleeing from the people whose countries they tried and failed to invade.
>The students applauded and reclassed to mounted units that day and accepted Lady Rhea as their Lord and Master. A giant eagle-like dragon named “Macuil” flew over Garreg Mach and shat all over the Star Terrace while grumbling something about the "stink of Sothis" under his breath. The Song of the Nabateans was sung several times, and Sothis herself showed up and enacted a flat rate tax policy across the universe.
I finished golden wildfire on friday, but summer semester ended two weeks ago so I've had the time to hard-marathon it. I'm more baffled by the people who somehow managed to beat all three routes already. They're the ones I suspect are playing on easy and just speedrunning things.
Any girl could in theory fall for anyone willing to put in the effort.
In the prime timeline, Byleth had the school and war years to forge that unbreakable close bond with her.
But in the 'shez ruins everything' timeline that never comes to be, byleth never gets that peaceful year to learn what emotions are and forge bonds with people, meanwhile shez is present and willing to make moves.
Its not a matter of fate, but of opportunity.
>wisdom to help feed masses
How many problems could just be allievated if people just talked to rhea? Those anons are right, Rhea going scored earth is the equivalent of beating a previously abused but friendly large dog and being surprised when it snaps.
>Yokota: They’re both cool names. I feel like Claude changed the least in his time skip appearance. The facial hair is a bit of an adventurous element… but when we first got his time skip design, I thought he really got a boost to his shadiness (laughs). >But he was a really good guy.
Yeah the entire Zahras section is fricking moronic, you can tell they just slapped it on at the last second. >Dimitri willing to work with Edelgard and even having a sweet moment where they recall a shared childhood memory >a few hours after Sylvain just got fricking ganked
The Dimitri/Edelgard support makes no sense in SB either since she implies to still be a slither puppet and Claude/Dimitri makes no sense in AG since Claude just admits he plans to betray their alliance once the empire is dealt with.
The Claude and Edelgard conversation felt off to me too, in GW at least. Claude talks about them teaming up to defeat Dimitri after and Edelgard acts shocked even though they were already doing that in the previous mission. I don't know if it makes more sense in SB.
So what is this scene and what route is this, and what is the context? Is this like them looking at rhea in her dragon form or some shit?
Dont be afraid to spoil me I already generally knows what happens in dimitri's and caludes route
The lords and Shez get shat into The Land Where Absolutely Nothing Fricking Matters and they all have really weird conversations that are never acknowledged in the main story at all and are forgotten about as soon as Shez shoves their hand up Epi-Pen's ass and gets them all queefed back out.
It can happen in either Claude or Dimitri's routes. Basically Claude vomits out a bunch of anti-church propaganda that you would have expected to hear from Edelgard instead, and Dimitri agrees to it all. It's just that he knows that if he publicly denounces the church, his people will get mad because of how religious the Kingdom is.
????????????????????????
THAT DOESNT MAKE ANY FRICKING SENSE AT ALL LMAO?????????????
DOESN'T THIS JUST COMPLETELY RUIN DIMITRI'S ENTIRE FRICKING CHARACTER LMAO???????????????????????????????
Dimitri's three point manifesto for why even though he personally agrees with Claude (and Edelgard) that the Church sucks, he can't support abolishing it because he's the king of Faerghus
>king’s right to rule >people took it literally and meant that all Dimitri cares about is being in charge
He can’t be king if his country is invalid why did they write this support so stupidly?
Dimitri says that abolishng the church would abolish Faerghus' monarchy too. I'm not sure if we're ever really shown the Faerghus people being so religious they'd overthrow Dimitri
> I'm not sure if we're ever really shown the Faerghus people being so religious they'd overthrow Dimitri
The people unlikely, at the end of the day commoners don’t give a frick as long as their needs are met. It does give an excuse for his dissenters to revolt but they were going to do so regardless of the church.
>dimitri agrees that the church forces people into marriages >when earlier in AG, we're shown that dimitri has been arranging political marriages to ensure the loyalty of the western lords
>who forces you and your friends into unwanted marriages
Me homosexual. It's for the sake of eugenics and a strong army. Like 3copes has it so bad when barely any of those homosexuals get married consensual or otherwise.
>"Oh woe is me, I have responsibilities and have to actually DO stuff for my people because of the Crests. :("
I hate this little prick so goddamned much.
if you talk to the paladin in camp he asserts he and the wife WANTED to be married so it seems more a case of "this works out well for everyone" more than anything.
In Dimitri/Mercedes A support he genuinely seems ignorant about the church, just not in a moronic way. It makes a little bit of sense considering their time at the academy was cut short. Still, how hard is it for them to read the book of Seiros? Dimitri at least should have read it considering his people are supposedly very religious.
Withhold your judgment until you actually finish a route, they start a lot stronger than they finish. I will definitely agree that the setup is a lot stronger in Three Hopes, Rhea sending everyone home as tensions mount between the countries is way better than the school just getting attacked. The whole thing just feels way more natural like this. It also rectifies one of the worst things about Edelgard, which is her complicity with the mole people. Being able to firmly frame them as villains instead of these really bad people we totally have to work with to win does wonders for her character.
Nah, all the resulting endings are much weaker than Houses and resolve very little in the end. The War continues in all routes.
Plus the developers have already suggested they’ve intentionally sabotaged the writing here in order to not upset fans of “the original Byleth and their work.”
>Plus the developers have already suggested they’ve intentionally sabotaged the writing here in order to not upset fans of “the original Byleth and their work.”
That's because they didn't want the mainline game to become obsolete thanks to a shitty musou.
Someone tell me right now if it's worth getting Essence of Ice on Bernadetta if she's going to stay on Bows, does it at least work with her personal skill?
Aren´t the writers supposed to know their lore and check what they write so later on they don´t end up contradicting themselves at some point in the script and end up with a moronic plot?
I just found out that the english subtitle to this game is completely different to the original Japanese’s. The original simply has “Wind, Flower, Snow, Moon”, as pretty obvious references to the original four routes (Verdant Wind, Crimson Flower, Azure Moon and Silver Snow).
Was this actually a translation frickup and we’re supposed to be awaiting a fourth route?
Right, just saw that too.
So essentially the original Japanese title always mentioned the Four routes and yet this one keeps that title while only having three. That’s either a lazy mistake, red herring, or foreshadowing a final route for this game.
The original Three Houses also had a Japanese subtitle relating to "Four Seasons", but the translation was awkward, so they changed it to be about the Houses as a reference to the Three Kingdoms (which the setting's based off of) and to hide the fourth route. So Japanese get a "four" theme, we get a "three" theme.
Nah, that's just the same subtitle as Three Houses. The game's Japanese title is Fire Emblem Musou: Fūkasetsugetsu, the "musou" setting it apart from the original, with the subtitle indicating that it's related specifically to Three Houses. They did the same thing with Three Hopes that they did when "translating" Three Houses, because a direct translation would've been extremely clunky and awkward. It's not nearly as big of a deal here since there are actually only three choices this time, as opposed to the four in Three Houses, which were represented by the seasons.
Maybe we just assume that all the unseen cardinals at the top of the church are bigots or something, and Rhea is cool with that despite not being xenophobic herself?
If that was true then we should have been fighting the cardinals. Really it would have been extremely simple to just write in some new church dudes who hates Almyra or something if they were so deadset on giving Claude the anti-church route.
>writers want church to be bad >but also want rhea to sympathetic and good
I suspect maybe they want us to think Rhea doesn't do much actual leading and leaves everything up to the cardinals, and just takes care of orphans, tries to bring back Sothis, and stares at Sitri's corpse. Its all very weird
Isn’t that the case? 3H implied Seteth and the Cardinals did most of the actual administration and Rhea was more of a figurehead who could override if she wanted to but was focused more on mommy.
Its pretty crazy to me that there apparently really is a cabal of immortal lizard blooded illuminati ruling Fodlan, but the only one of them we meet is a simp
>3H implied Seteth and the Cardinals did most of the actual administration and Rhea was more of a figurehead who could override if she wanted to but was focused more on mommy
Wait I don't remember that. Could you tell me when he said that exactly?
Nobody in either Houses or Hopes addresses how the church's top brass stray from the teachings in the actual books and sermons though. As such, Claude is basically lying his ass off.
Yeah and Dimitri agrees with Claude that Church does that stuff. So either Dimitri is also lying, he believes Claude's lies, or Claude is actually right. Its dumb either way
>pick "Quick and Efficient" >game still wastes my time showing me stupid shit like enemy snipers starting a fusillade, fog clearing, and other pointless cutaways
He was able to live his own life as a merc too, and in that timeline still has the rest of his family. If anything I expect Byleth's future in the hopes timeline to be similar to what happens in the alois ending of houses where eventually byleth settles down with a sweet village girl and lives a comfy quiet life, but now also with dad still around. Their life is certainly less glamorous, but saying either is better or worse for byleth as a person is missing perspective. The houses timeline may be better for fodlan, but which one makes byleth HAPPIER?
I'm playing this in classic mode, which is probably a terrible idea given how it's a fricking musou, but oh well. Who can die? Only my 4 units or the non playable ones too?
It's simple, they wanted to have their cake and eat it too
Church needs to be bad to justify the anti-church routes into being the good guys
But Church also needs to be good to justify the pro-church routes into being the good guys
Fire Emblem does not want you to play as the villain, simple as, and so this kind of thing happens
The big issue with Houses/Hopes is that the writers want the player to FEEL like they're right no matter the route they choose, they're too cowardly to commit to a character being wrong >You chose Edelgard and CF? Here's Rhea burning the kingdom to the ground, you're now justified >Chose Dimitri and AM? Here's Edelgard turning into a literal demon who thinks only she can rule the world and keeps her citizens as hostages >Chose Claude and GW? Here's every faction agreeing to his anti church assessments despite the player ever only seeing evidence that contradicts them
Dimitri didn’t believe in the goddess but he wasn’t so moronic to think they were the cause of all problems in Fodlan.
This Claude support is the only place in AG where he even entertains such stupid notions.
i mean, even they dont necessarily always like the church. like none of the religious people in this game are fully on board with the church; the only ones who are, like catherine and cyril, aren't actually religious themselves, they're just extremely loyal to rhea personally
>Anon still making this about Atheism >Also in the OG Claude literally is able to usher in the Golden Age without any God-King LARP bullshit, as does Dimitri
2 years ago
Anonymous
Both of those dudes need Byleth with God powers to get anywhere. Same for Edelgard.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The fact Byleth, as an MC, and his/her God powers, as a plot device, are necessary to advance the plot does not even remotely prove the God-King shit from SS is necessary or the true route. Your argument is a non sequitur.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>not even remotely prove the God-King shit from SS is necessary or the true route. >only focuses on SS >doesn't realize CF, AM and VW are all possible thanks to the Goddess' powers helping their cause
BRUH
2 years ago
Anonymous
>doesn't realize CF, AM and VW are all possible thanks to the Goddess' powers helping their cause
Except I do realize this. Only SS has you literally become the God-King of Fódlan. The OP’s original point was that “atheists are bad”…even though the Goddess’ avatar can literally help the people they were referring to as “atheists” win, as you just said.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Actually its two (SS,VW), three if you marry Dimitri and become God-Queen. Point its, God's power is what saved those smelly atheists.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Point its, God's power is what saved those smelly atheists.
That’s just called dramatic irony.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Without any god-king larp bullshit
Literally every single route in Three Houses results in a golden age BECAUSE Byleth is just the second coming of Sothis, no Byleth = no golden age, ergo atheists are stupid
2 years ago
Anonymous
Missing the point. I never said atheism is good, I just said the argument that this is about theism vs. atheism is bullshit. It’s not about that. Since as you said, Byleth’s God powers objectively exist and are able to lead his/her chosen faction — even the ones OP regards as being “bad” for being “atheists” — to victory.
Honestly Dimitri isn't wrong in regards to how you just can't throw away the Church and expect everything to be okay, Claude and Edelgard got off easy, like they can just say "Yep, we're against the Church now" and the people just go along with it. Reality isn't that neat and tidy and there's been hundreds of civil wars when government and religion have come to a head, Dimitri's crime is that he has to deal with a real province instead of an idealistic anime one.
even in the Kingdom there was still religious schisms that could’ve been exploited to help fight the Church and root out its influence, just as there were in the Empire. if anything, Leicester should be the least capable of resisting the Central Church’s influence, if not for them being presented as an impious Venice-style merchant republic full of moneygrubbing parasites.
Well the empire was prepared for it. I can't check because my switch is currently undergoing repairs but sometime back the Southern church was ousted because they attempted to involve themselves in the Empire's political matters. It took time for the Central Church to negotiate with the emperor to allow Imperial students to attend the officer's Academy again. But more important than that the Empire had already been living without the church for years. Even though Central Church Bishops still visited the empire and preached time and again, the Southern church hasn't been a thing for quite some time. So when the current Emperor is able to show up and just say no more gods it's not that much of a leap even if Hubert has to begin a propaganda campaign to deal with those who still hold on to the faith.
Leicester is also mildly prepared for it. The Eastern Church has no power. The Eastern Church has no army. The Nobles of the alliance are only Pious because that's what's expected of them as nobles. They don't actually believe or at least they are not so convicted that they would stand against the empire if they thought they would lose.
Any place to church holds real sway is in the Kingdom. Because they still hold on to the partnership established when the Central Church recognized Faerghus as a nation.
I feel like Hopes subtly retconned the Alliance's relationship with the Church in order to make it easier for nuClaude's route to work out. In Crimson Flower, Edelgard says >The Church of Seiros has great influence and power. Their control over the lords of the Kingdom and the Alliance is nearly absolute.
And pic related, I think the Eastern church was supposed to be on good terms with the Central church in Three Houses.
>Dimitri's crime is that he has to deal with a real province instead of an idealistic anime one.
It’s actually absurd how easy Claude and Edelgard seem to have it when it comes to their reforms.
Edelgard pulled a coup but at the very least she made sure to have the relevant people in her camp to ensure a smoother takeover. Claude uprooted the very foundation of the Alliance and his dissenters were dealt with offscreen by marching his army north, all the old lords just pass leadership to their kids who happen to be Claude’s friends because they don’t want to take orders from him instead of actually fighting back.
Sreng taking Fhirdiad, and perhaps even Faerghus, would be a disaster for Edelgard and Claude. Sreng doesn't care about their nations or interests, and it might just wage war when it feels like it. Furthermore, since Edelgard will likely need a civil war within Adrestia and its conquered territories to purge her war hawks and "Make Adrestia Whole Again" nobles and civilians, that means Adrestia would end up weaker than ever, and thus at risk of Sreng. Meanwhile, Sreng could attack the Federation, which would be smaller and weaker than the Empire at that time.
I don't get what Dimitri means by this; this conversation is about how Dimitri can't go help Rhea because he has to defend against Edelgard at Arianrhod, and is apologizing to Gustave for abandoning Rhea to Claude. And it seems Dimitri is echoing what Claude was speculating before, that Dimitri is letting Claude take out the Church so Faerghus can be free from its duty to defend it. So Dimitri actually thinks that with the Church gone, he can negotiate a peace with the Empire, so they don't have to bow down?
Sreng taking Fhirdiad, and perhaps even Faerghus, would be a disaster for Edelgard and Claude. Sreng doesn't care about their nations or interests, and it might just wage war when it feels like it. Furthermore, since Edelgard will likely need a civil war within Adrestia and its conquered territories to purge her war hawks and "Make Adrestia Whole Again" nobles and civilians, that means Adrestia would end up weaker than ever, and thus at risk of Sreng. Meanwhile, Sreng could attack the Federation, which would be smaller and weaker than the Empire at that time.
Sreng is explicitly stated to be looking for fertile land. Once they get to Faerghus, they will definitely keep trying to go south. Specially if they breed some Fodlans and get some crest viking motherfrickers.
>So Dimitri actually thinks that with the Church gone, he can negotiate a peace with the Empire, so they don't have to bow down?
Three Hopes’ version of Edelgard is far less of a Napoleon esque egotistical conquering tyrant and more of a wayward anti-villain than her original portrayal in Three Houses. For starters, she is willing to negotiate with Claude, and seems genuinely annoyed by the fact she has to march against the Kingdom to get to Rhea.
>Gustave send an envoy to Sreng >They can have this frozen shithole if they help us wipe out Adr*stia and Leic*ster
They truly had to make everyone moronic to justify Claude.
How has the Federation shown the Kingdom a way to avoid collapse and slaughter? The ship sailed on what will make Adrestia declare war years ago, and either choice, defending the church or decrying the church, will cause Adrestia to see the Kingdom as either a corrupt enemy by association or corrupt traitors on stolen land. Is he hoping that if the first happened, and the church collapses, Edelgard will just awkwardly leave instead of making a new excuse? If it can at all look like the Kingdom left the church high and dry, and doesn't help to rebuild it with Seteth or a random pick for archbishop, the second condition can still vest afterward.
>Is he hoping that if the first happened, and the church collapses, Edelgard will just awkwardly leave instead of making a new excuse?
GW has to make him stupid to justify Claude’s moronation because AG Dimitri figured out the church was a convenient excuse in the first chapter.
Either way he’d have to fight the empire so he chose the path that doesn’t lead to a civil war within his own country and gives him access to the Church’s resources for the war.
Why would Edelgard stop if Claude gets Rhea, they had Dimitri by the balls anyway at that point. Federation would at least annex like half of kingdom's territory.
does rhea disapprove of leicester in general? claude talks about some historical stuff about the church fricking with leicester back in their independence war and there's this line
The Church doesn’t seem to care much for Leicester. Rhea’s dialogue makes sense here because she has always had more of a soft spot for the Empire (pre-Edelgard, that is) and is the main reason the Kingdom both exists and also didn’t try and go full rape mode on the Empire during its Independence War.
>The Leicester Alliance was officially formed after the subjugation of hostile nobles and the removal of all opposing forces in the regions
of Faerghus. An influential figure from the outset, Duke Riegan was inarguably the heart of the newly formed Alliance.
Its funny that it sounds like Leicester straight up invaded Faerghus to wipe out the opposition
Maybe. The Three Houses descriptions for Albinea say it has a small population due to how hostile the environment there is, and there's apparently trade for meat and seeds between it and Fodlan. Claude is acting like it's a random map spot but there was flavor text in Houses showing that contact did exist.
Edelgard’s arch nemesis sacrifices herself to kill Edelgard’s abuser, put an end to the Agarthan scourge, and inadvertently save a nonbeliever she had previously vowed to kill brutally, for the sake of the greater good. If this isn’t proof that Hopes Rhea is objectively good, then I don’t know what is.
if you try to talk about her, there's a good chance you start a thread-long meltdown in either direction, i can do without ever seeing the name nick again
Hopegard seems like a more relatable character. I haven't finished Azure Gleam yet but I do want to try Scarlet Blaze once I'm done. I'd intended to do Golden Wildfire after I was done but I feel like I got a lot of the bullet points throughout these threads while I know next to nothing about Scarlet Blaze
>She's still needlessly expansionist
She literally spares Leicester if you recruit Byleth and in this one she also seems genuinely laserfocused on the Church as opposed to using her grudge as an excuse for revanchism
>Edelgard >Keeping her word
She’s gone back on every alliance she’s ever made outside Adrestia
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>She’s gone back on every alliance she’s ever made outside Adrestia
What alliances has she ever made period except for the alliance with the Slitherers, which she only goes back on because she literally always hated them.
Anon, it's called lying. Edelgard constantly says she'll unite Fodlan under the Imperial Flag because she sees as the other two states of Fodlan as usurped lands that belong to the Empire. She says this even after making a deal with the Alliance.
As seem here.
Pay more attention to her dialogue, she still goes on about unifying Fodlan even after her pact.
Claude even says to other characters, including Shez, that he knows Edelgard is lying to him and is preparing for it when she does eventually turn on him. Were you surprised in Claude's route where he says he supports Edelgard, only to backstab her the same way he did to Dimitri and Rhea?
Dude's a snake, both Edelgard and Claude know their alliance is necessary and the only thing that keeps together is the fact that they oppose the Church, unlike the Kingom.
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>Were you surprised in Claude's route where he says he supports Edelgard, only to backstab her the same way he did to Dimitri and Rhea?
I wish your version of Claude's route was what happened
I think Scarlet Blaze is basically what Crimson Flower should have been, as in not truncated and unsatisfying. Also they gave Edelgard a real paralogue that isn't just a copypaste of Hilda's, and its pretty good.
Its kind of funny in that the Empire is still the strongest nation, so they have to write in some stuff to justify a steamroll not happening. Edelgard has to run back and forth a good bit
>as in not truncated and unsatisfying.
That’s what SB was. Supports aside the story, like the other two, went down the drain midway and ended ingloriously. Even Rhea and Thales disappearing while Shez and Edelgard have a “we did it!” fir no reason sucked
>Even Rhea and Thales disappearing while Shez and Edelgard have a “we did it!” fir no reason sucked
Nonsense, it was the best part, because that meant it was finally fricking over
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>Nonsense, it was the best part
That was fricking stupid and made Edelgard look silly compared what she was in 3H which is saying a lot.
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Read the rest of it you brainlet
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Comeback to me when it’s actually over instead of saying Rhea and Thales are missing and Edelgard is marching onwards to another inevitable standstill because she trusted a snake named Khalid.
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Bad writing. It was IntSys and KT’s shitty way of trying to clap back at all the schizos who talked about how any of the OG’s endings were not sustainable.
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What’s funny enough is that CF was probably tied with SS for most sustainable since they killed all the slithers off unlike AM and VW.
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There's nothing wrong with SS.
Silver Snow never addresses Cornelia/Cleobolus or the Adrestian army remnants, whereas Verdant Wind (with the Byleth and Claude ending) does.
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They say there's eternal peace, I think they're fine.
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CF didn't kill off the Slithers. >Muh Jeritza jpeg
BL also got the same shit with Hapi.
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There's nothing wrong with SS.
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SS results in a moronic theocracy and an emotionless unfettered man or woman as Fódlan’s immortal divine philosopher king. Even if it’s sustainable, it’s not good.
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Excaept they say that both Byleth and Seteth are pretty hands off in their reign and let the people do whatever they want as long as they keep peace. There isn't a single downside other than "I don't like church because the real world one is bad".
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>There isn't a single downside other than "I don't like church because the real world one is bad".
Then I would argue that the ending is just too perfect, not that it’s a bad ending.
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>SS >slithers, Edelgard and Dimitri dead >Claude fricked off to Almyra >immortal Byleth on the throne >Seteth (immortal) acts as Byleth’s right hand
Sounds pretty sustainable to me so long as Byleth isn’t vulnerable to dragon degeneration.
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>Sounds pretty sustainable to me
Whether an ending is or isn’t sustainable isn’t the point. I was making fun of the collapse porn that would typically be invoked in arguments over which ending was the “best”.
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If Shez high fived Dimitri, would they die.
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No because Dimitri would not use his full strength for a high-five. Even if he did, he would only break his/her hand and possibly also his/her forearm, not kill him/her.
>if you try to talk about her, there's a good chance you start a thread-long meltdown in either direction
to be completely fair, this has been the effect of uttering the name “Edelgard” in any context and under circumstances in any FE-related thread since the release of the original Three Houses. to say that she is a polarizing character would be to make a colossal fricking understatement.
>this fricker >Annette's uncle >Count Rowe AKA Faerghus' biggest snake in the grass >Myson >Any named Agarthan really >Berling >all are faceless generics
Why is Intsys like this?
Looking back at Crimson Flower Felix is even weirder after playing through AG. What happens to him in the other routes outside of AG anyway? I'm guessing killed off?
Felix was always doomed to being the bottom b***h fujo bait character. I can hear the fat fujos clapping and emptying their wallets while becoming unpaid twitter shills for your mediocre game.
>considering Byleth was depowered
Seeing as Sothis didn’t actually leave him, at least according to her paired ending, then he could theoretically easily be repowered.
Pretty sure it has Marianne’s crest stone in game but official art depicts it with Gautier.
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Now I just have to wonder how either of those got into it. Given how even among direct relatives for nabateans their crests are different I don't think its a case where you could get a match by killing two closely related dragons, so supposedly they use artificial stones, so at that point why not dig up some agarthan tech and make an artificial flames stone?
>a crest of flames crest stone in it?
There's only one crest of flames crest stone and it's in Byleth
you're right, its 4am and I'm being dumb. Apparantly they're artificial stones. Though now I'm left to wonder how the hell Gautier+Beast makes a magic axe tuned to flames+seiros.
>male Byleth ending with Claude
? Do you mean Claude’s solo end, there’s no queers in the deers.
Went back and checked, I was thinking of their solo endings together, but Claude's only mentioned imperialist remnants. It's only the female Byleth and Claude ending that mentions the Agarthans alongside those remnants, my mistake.
>there’s no queers in the deers.
the reason why GD is the best house
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>the reason why GD is the best house
They have the most one note characters
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>They have the most one note characters
True but we are compensated by being 100% carpetmuncher and twink free
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They are actually the deepest and multifaceted characters but you have to look below the surface to see
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You're going to tell me fricking Ignatz is deeper and more multifaceted than any of the lords?
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Yes.
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Why would you use Ignatz in comparison to the Lords? He's a commoner. Just by station his personal trials is going to be with his immediate family and friends. Because he doesn't have lands or a people to think about unlike say Lorenz or Claude where those things are relevant to them.
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Because that anon said the Deer were >the deepest and multifaceted characters
and that sweeping statement includes Ignatz. If you want to play easy mode, pit Ignatz against Ashe.
Yes.
Go on then.
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Ignatz is the key
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Ignatz is not popular enough to be key they would never make him anything important.
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Ignatz is a chad
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Not than the lords but Ignatz is unironically one of the more interesting deers because he actually has a personal conflict he has to confront and Houses/Hopes splits the path he chooses. Every other deer besides Lorenz is in exactly the same position they were in at the start of VW.
>Felix and Dimitri's A rank support >Felix literally picks Dimitri up and takes him to his bead
That was fun, and it was nice to see there was a real friendship between the two considering how prickly Felix usually is
I forget and will probably feel like a moron for it, but is this the first time we learn that Dimitri always saw the ghosts since when it happened? I sorta assumed they started appearing and talking to him after he lost his shit post timeskip.
No, I think he tells Byleth that he's been seeing/hearing the ghosts since Duscur. This support is the first time he directly addresses why he was smiling like a maniac during the rebellion, which was what initially made Felix scared of him.
Why does Petra seem to have the most conclusive final support with Shez? Everyone else just sorta affirms their friendships, but Petra outright asks Shez to come work for Brigid after the war ends.
Also what the frick was Ashe's A rank. I wanna know what was in the letter.
I am still mad.
Claudeis was never upset or distressed by the notion of Rhea being killed/deposed
Rescuing her from the Empire was always a side benefit, not the goal
Doesn't matter, it's still shit writing. This is not the real Claude.
Claude was never a goody two-shoes. He literally stated in 3 Houses that the goal of saving Rhea was to draw support from the Knights and followers. Maybe actually pay attention to the story instead of your shitty headcanon
Irrelevant.
cope
Him not being a goody two shoes is not equivalent to the pure moronation we’re seeing in Hopes.
Killing Rhea does nothing for his end goal because Adrestia have made it clear they want all of Fodlan and he knows it and he almost seized Fhirdiad so the kingdom has every reason to attack. He’s made an enemy out of everyone for a whole lot of nothing. If they had focused more on him allying with Almyra then he has leverage but he acts like killing Rhea is somehow going to end everything.
>Killing Rhea does nothing for his end goal because Adrestia have made it clear they want all of Fodlan
Claude's goal was never complete control of Fodlan. His goal is to eliminate the old ways and those who hold them up. That's why he allies with Edel, because why bother fighting someone who shares the same goal as you.
>he almost seized Fhirdiad so the kingdom has every reason to attack
Dmiriti literally states that he's willing to cut lose the Church if it meant saving the kingdom. again, do you people even bother reading the dialogue?
> He’s made an enemy out of everyone for a whole lot of nothing
Literally no one is even his enemy at the end of the GW path. Edelgard is his ally, Dimitri literally agrees with him and is willing to stop fighting.
>If they had focused more on him allying with Almyra
Almyra was definitely underused, but they literally state multiple times that Almyra was dealing with its own internal struggle. Nader was really the only one who was able to help Claude.
>but he acts like killing Rhea is somehow going to end everything
With her death, was there any reason for the 3 nations to even keep fighting? That's pretty much a wrap with her death.
>Claude's goal was never complete control of Fodlan.
It was in Three Houses. More proof that his character was assassinated.
>what is context
What is context? You tell me.
Not really. Claude wanted people to just get along, the only reason he made Byleth king of fodlan was because Edelgard already butfricked the kingdom into oblivion and had dimitri killed, and of course the empire needed to be put down as well, so both nations were pretty much kaput anyways. Meanwhile Byleth had been cemented as the divine chosen one in the eyes of the faith, so installing him as king after taking down the empire unified the continent under the only remaining authority figure and left him free to return to Almyra to fix things there and help make peace between the two countries.
Nah.
>With her death, was there any reason for the 3 nations to even keep fighting
Yes because Edelgard made it clear she wants all of Fodlan under the Empire’s flag. After the central church is gone both Faerghus and Leicester are stolen soil. Unless Claude is willing to make Leicester a vassal state then she’s going for them after the kingdom is gone.
>Yes because Edelgard made it clear she wants all of Fodlan under the Empire’s flag
She literally signs are pact with him in GW specifically to avoid large scare war between the empire and the federation. The empire had been stretched thin due to having to fight on multiple fronts and effectively lost at Gronder.
>After the central church is gone both Faerghus and Leicester are stolen soil. Unless Claude is willing to make Leicester a vassal state then she’s going for them after the kingdom is gone.
It's unlikely either sides would want to keep fighting after that. Dimitri literally even agrees with both Claude and Edelgard.
>She literally signs are pact with him in GW specifically to avoid large scare war between the empire and the federation. The empire had been stretched thin due to having to fight on multiple fronts and effectively lost at Gronder.
Didn't GW end with Claude doing the Pikachu meme while the Empire and Kingdom continue having their conflicts and Shez telling him that it was all for nothing?
>Didn't GW end with Claude doing the Pikachu meme while the Empire and Kingdom continue having their conflicts and Shez telling him that it was all for nothing?
No, Claude literally proposes ending the war after Rhea's defeat
>No, Claude literally proposes ending the war after Rhea's defeat
Doesn’t mean shit if the other two don’t agree to it which the ending implies they won’t.
>hey holy king I murdered your pope, wanna be friends?
The ending says that the war continues, the Kingdom is still under attack from the Empire and Federation, and that it's uncertain if anyone will accept Claude's offer. Based on Edelgard's tendency to break agreements and backstab in general, even in this game, Claude's plan won't work, Adrestia still wants its boot on all of Fodlan.
It's not that detailed, the ending narration just says he proposed peace but it was unsure whether anybody would accept
>She literally signs are pact with him in GW specifically to avoid large scare war between the empire and the federation
A pact she signed when they were losing doesn’t mean she’ll stick to it once the Empire regains it strength. Again once the central church is gone Faerghus and Leicester are stolen Empire soil and Claude knows this.
You don't sign a pact with a state you don't recognize. Clearly, Edelgard respects the federation and even agrees with their leader's ambitions. why would they even fricking bother fighting then?
>Clearly, Edelgard respects the federation and even agrees with their leader's ambitions. why would they even fricking bother fighting then?
Because Edelgard sees the Alliances/Fed as an illegitimate state created from imperial territory.
>You don't sign a pact with a state you don't recognize.
Which gives Edelgard a great propaganda tool to claim Leicester is stupid and Edelgard never betrayed them.
>Which gives Edelgard a great propaganda tool to claim Leicester is stupid and Edelgard never betrayed them
even though the federation literally came to Edelgard's rescue?
Yes. Adrestia wants all of Fodlan, and it likes to make propaganda.
I love that Lorenz was the one who said "let's just let Edelgard die"
You said it, brother. Shahid DLC when?
Technically he could come back, he fell from a cliff so we never saw a body. It's a reach but DLC could bring Agarthan-Zombie Shahid. Basically the deadlords archetype again.
What if they used his body to house on of the 10 elites?
What a wasted character nothing more than a plot device for Claude. Shahid deserved better.
Say what you will about Claude's character assassination, but really I'm more mad about the fact that they hype us up for an 'alliance v almyran' plot only for it to go nowhere. I can't be the only one who was expecting the molemen to create darth shahid and have to fight him as the true final boss of golden wildfire right?
I wanted to see Shahid drop some Javelins on Fodlan's Locket.
The Agarthans were a constant reason for why the Blue Lions had to keep retreating, the Almyrans should have been the reason for Claude and the Knights of Seiros should have been the reason for Edelgard.
For how minor Shahid was, why did they give him a unique Wyvern Class when he's just an axe wielding Wyvern Lord in effect anyways?
I wanted to see Nader's daughter that Balthus can marry
Smells like cut content to me. The sudden shift to Claude siding with Edelgard and declaring the Central Church as the true enemy of the route comes out of absolutely nowhere, I am surely convinced that they did it just to save time and copy-paste Rhea's bossfight from Scarlet Blaze.
Would not surprise me, same shit happened in houses where they just reused silver snow for the deer route. I heard that originally houses was just going to be edelgard and dimitri with claude being an afterthought so the alliance getting shafted in development again doesn't seem too surprising, though it is still frustrating.
It was originally just Edelgard, but you wouldn't be able to side with her.
All I wanted from Shahid was to be Claude's foil. Two brothers who grew up under the same roof. Claude gets discriminated for his mixed heritage shaping him up to become a dreamer who wants to end discrimination. Meanwhile Shahid, who's an Almyran pureblood, is beloved by the people and develops a traditionalist mindset. Claude's the better ruler of the two, but Shahid is the better warrior which is why Claude relies on schemes to gain the upper hand. FRICK there's so many things I wanna list off. Was giving Almyra the limelight too much to ask for?
HOLY FRICK IT'S JUST NOT FAIR!
We should have seen the warning signs when Cyril wasn't even playable in the datamine.
>I can't be the only one who was expecting the molemen to create darth shahid and have to fight him as the true final boss of golden wildfire right?
sounds like Takumi 2.0. Frick that gay shit. Frick fates and frick you
>character assassination
Zanado's history was never even explained 3H. Claude had literally zero knowledge about the truth of Nemesis and Rhea.
>inb4 B-BUT MY HEADCANNON!!!
And? Claude's deciding that murdering Rhea is the best way to achieve his goals is moronic, particularly when the church nothing to inspire such vitriol.
>particularly when the church nothing to inspire such vitriol
do you people even fricking bother reading the dialogue? he literally explain it multiple times throughout the story (in both games) that his problem is with the church's doctrine on foreigners and crests. his goal was to abolish the old doctrine, and seeing that Rhea was the one who upheld those laws, he saw fit to eliminate her.
>but what about 3 Houses
what about it. in that Rhea was too weak to lead the church again and the doctrines were still eliminated. different means to the same end
>he literally explain it multiple times throughout the story (in both games) that his problem is with the church's doctrine on foreigners and crests
This is one of the problems of the game where the characters do a whole lot of talking and explaining what their motivations are, but we never ever see the actual problem(s) they're fighting against. It's almost impossible to believe because the characters are arguing from a point of view that we never get to see, meanwhile we see Rhea feeding orphans from foreign nations and generally acting benevolently.
Claude is getting mocked as a moron not just because of the above, but because how short-sighted he is in the grand scheme of things. Does he honestly believe that Edelgard would stop warring when the Church is gone? Or that she wouldn't turn against him the moment she realized that the Federation is a bigger threat than the Kingdom? (Granted, Edelgard has downs-syndrome and won't realize it herself, but Hubert would at some point).
>Claude is getting mocked as a moron not just because of the above, but because how short-sighted he is in the grand scheme of things.
Hit the nail on the head anon. His actions don’t line up with his end goal and seems to be making it up as he goes. If we work under the assumption that he wants to eliminate the prejudice the church perpetuates while leaving the kingdom intact as a buffer against the empire why attack the capital?
Even if Faerghus abandons the church does he think they’ll suddenly change their attitude towards crests and foreigners when Leicester’s actions validated those attitudes. He brought Almyran forces to help siege Fhirdiad to prove that they should be nice to foreigners?
He’s stupid and thinking only of the short term, Dimitri’s reaction to seeing the Leicester/Almyra alliance wouldn’t be “oh maybe we should talk to our neighbours too” which he was already doing. His reaction would be “that fricking mutt prince brought a foreign power to our doorstep”.
I mean, you can kinda sorta see his thought process with the whole "put the Federation in an advantageous position by any means necessary" along with the pressure of being given power before he was ready for it, which explains the alliance with the Empire. If that's all that was and he was conspiring on putting his country in a position where Edelgard couldn't retaliate, the story would likely be more sensible.
Them suddenly having him go "the only way to solve religious bigotry among the populace is to murder the pope" makes him into a pure moron, unfortunately.
>It's almost impossible to believe because the characters are arguing from a point of view that we never get to see, meanwhile we see Rhea feeding orphans from foreign nations and generally acting benevolently.
Rhea is also the one forcing crest-wielders to hold all the power in each nation, having closed borders, censoring books, banning technology, and doing deplorable experiments to try and bring her mother back. I can understand being sympathetic for her, but don't paint her as a saint (ironically). Also the nations around Fodlan are not "benevolent". Almyra frequently raids and the empire was in a long war against Dagda.
>Does he honestly believe that Edelgard would stop warring when the Church is gone?
He was able to stop war between them so it's not a reach to think that war between the empire and the kingdom will end with their the empire's goals essentially achieved.
>Rhea is also the one forcing crest-wielders to hold all the power in each nation, having closed borders, censoring books, banning technology, and doing deplorable experiments to try and bring her mother back.
Lol. Okay, you got me at first but now you're being too obvious with your bait.
everything i mentioned is literally told in-game
>Rhea is also the one forcing crest-wielders to hold all the power in each nation, having closed borders, censoring books, banning technology, and doing deplorable experiments to try and bring her mother back.
You're on the wrong site for this kind of shit, kid. ResetERA is that way --->
>Rhea is also the one forcing crest-wielders to hold all the power in each nation, having closed borders, censoring books, banning technology, and doing deplorable experiments to try and bring her mother back. I can understand being sympathetic for her, but don't paint her as a saint (ironically). Also the nations around Fodlan are not "benevolent". Almyra frequently raids and the empire was in a long war against Dagda.
That's not what the Church of Seiros teaches. Book of Seiros Volume II said that the goddess picked humans to have Crests and Relics to fight off an evil, but that Crests and Relics didn't make anyone more or less human than anyone else. It was basically "with great power, there must also be great responsibility." When people ignored the goddess and started hoarding wealth, grabbing land, making a tiered society, and waging war against each other, it was considered a sin so foul that the goddess left Fodlan. Furthermore, the closed border stuff is nonsense, as addressed in
, books are moved to Abyss instead of censored, and if technology was genuinely slowed down, all the things spoken of are seen readily in the modern day of Three Houses. Also, Rhea's experiments seemed to use homunculi, since it's not mentioned that bodies go missing or people get abducted.
I have a novel solution!
>he literally explain it multiple times throughout the story (in both games) that his problem is with the church's doctrine on foreigners and crests. his goal was to abolish the old doctrine, and seeing that Rhea was the one who upheld those laws, he saw fit to eliminate her.
The issue is that the stuff he spouts about the doctrine on foreigners is all false, as evidenced by Shamir existing in Fodlan, being in the Knights of Seiros and respected wherever she goes, etc. There's also trade for Albinean moose meat, seeds, berries, etc., similar trade with Morfis, a battalion trained in Morfis, exotic spices from east of Almyra that Shamir of all people loves, Cyril being adopted, the church never being opposed to Lambert's attempted talks with Duscur, etc. The church even actively helps the people of Duscur, and in their own territory to boot, not a diaspora.
When you get characters like Dimitri who agree with Claude about what he says about the Church, you have to conclude its just bad writing and the Church is supposed to be bad but they failed to show it. Claude seemingly isn't supposed to be mistaken in-universe
It's the absence of writing, there are even arranged marriages in the setting that have no church involvement whatsoever, not even culturally. The church even funds Hanneman's research into making Crests irrelevant.
Oh, I really wanted someone to mention this. I played through this part yesterday in Japanese, and what Dimitri says is the following:
>…クロード。お前の考えは理解できる。個人にしては、賛成してもいいとさえ思う。
>...Claude. I can understand your thinking. If you ask me personally, I think I could even agree with it.
At no point does he imply that Claude is correct. He just says that he understands his thinking, but that his methods will lead to more harm than good.
>If you ask me personally, I think I could even agree with it.
Is this not the same exact thing that we are complaining about?
Not quite, saying I think I can agree is not the same as saying I agree.
But what he should be saying is NO THAT'S WRONG
its barely a difference; if claude was completely wrong about what he's saying, then dimitri should not even think he could agree. dont try to defend the writers by scapegoating the translators
It's a big difference if you consider what kind of character Dimitri is. He always tries to see the otherside, no matter hoe stupid.
It’s a HUGE difference.
It’s the difference, for example, of someone saying “I’m a Nazi!” flat out to “I have read the conditions that lead to you being a Nazi and I suppose if I had lived through the same experience I might have agreed with you.”
One is, “I agree with you!” and the other’s “I can empathize with your past experiences.”
it isnt a huge difference at all in evaluating the substance of what claude is saying. you're just coping
No, you’re just illiterate and too committed to headcanon.
yeah i'm not the guy trying to deflect bad writing with quibbles and translations
It’s quite literally a translation error though. It’s not like they changed his favorite color from green to lavender, they actually missed whole words.
you sound exactly like the edeltards who blame the translators for this line.
Post the original Japanese transcript.
それで、貴方は奪い返し……踏みにじり返せば気が済むの?
>And will you be satisfied if you plunder it all back and trample us in return?
Yeah, it's not any less moronic.
its completely different; Edelgard in the Japanese is obviously saying that Dimitri shouldn't be reconquering because it won't bring him happiness, whereas this extremely important nuance is lost in the English version. fricking translators making great writing bad.
even then it’s still emotional manipulation
>Dimitri shouldn't be reconquering because it won't bring him happiness
>needing any reason other than it’s his home
What was the word they missed?
The original Japanese posted here
is basically “I would agree but my station doesn’t permit me” and is further elaborated in the later text as “even if I disagree, it’s not worth starting a violent upheaval in my Kingdom for it.”
Whereas the english translation simplifies it to just “I agree!” with no elaboration
The English version has the same elaboration. See
Its the same in the English version
Please tell me you're not basing your arguments off of what you're reading in this thread. Look at the full conversation in the game.
No because he's trying to look at it from the perspective of someone that's ignorant of Fodlan's true nature and then explaining, in a way they can understand, that they're wrong.
He says that he disagrees with Claude because he's the king of Faerghus and so can't have that perspective. So what follows if he wasn't the king of Faerghus?
That's not what he says though
It is literally what he says.
If we go by his “three points” here
he probably just wouldn’t care at all. His constraints come only because he’s the King to begin with.
If he wasn’t royalty to begin with, he’d probably just be among the commoners who’d be more preoccupied with the resulting civil war and chaos.
But that's not what Dimitri is saying. He says
>If you ask me personally, I think I could even agree with it.
What do you think it would look like if you were talking to a nazi and said
"If you ask me personally I think I could even agree to gassing the israelites, however the israelites in my country would get mad at me if I said that out loud"
"I could agree" is a lot closer to what the English translation says, so it's a weird line in general, unless you assume he thinks Claude is insane and is thus deflecting to not get shot in voidsville.
Not necessarily.
The English version just states that Dimitri flat out agrees with Claude here in being anti-church.
The original Japanese instead has Dimitri attempt to look at it from Claude’s point of view and see how one would come to that conclusion and see themselves in the right.
Subtle, but wholly different.
I’m starting to think the translators here were just incompetent
The fact that even Dimitri could even think to agree with Claude's BS is a fricking joke.
How long did it take you to learn nip?
You can get a decent base in about 3 years, after that it's mostly momentum. It's like any language really, just the writing system is a b***h.
I don't like the line either but this is some serious reaching. He says he can agree PERSONALLY, which refers to his own perspective, not Claude's.
Why would Dimitri say he could agree to something that he thought was incorrect?
Because Dimitri has a separation between what he personally believes and what he must do as king. It's the same as his support with Catherine in Houses. Dimitri, the person, would love to be free and live the life of a mercenary and go wherever he pleases. But as he says he is the son of a king and so he has duties he must fulfill, he cannot live for himself because his life is not his own. In the case of Hopes he can empathize and even agree with Claude's worldview. But as a king he cannot act on it. His kingdom has just been through multiple political upheavals. His people are in desperate need of stability. Even if he personally believed in what Claude was saying he can't put his people through even more upheaval to make Claude's vision a reality. Because just as he says with his parlay with Edelgard, it's about what the people want. Not what he personally wants.
Yeah and if Dimitri wasn't king and had responsibilities to his people that outweigh his personal opinions he'd agree with Claude's worldview. That's the entire fricking point of this conversation, that Dimitri doesn't think Claude is actually wrong. This has nothing to do with Dimitri's duties, but everything to do with Dimitri agreeing that the Church does all the bad things Claude accuses it of doing. For Dimitri those bad things aren't enough to justify an abolishment. That doesn't mean the bad things don't exist for Dimitri, he just has different priorities.
We don't need your waxing philosophic on Dimitri's characterization when that was never the point
You're right, but the issue people are having is whether or not Dimitri disagrees with what Claude says the church is responsible for. If Dimitri is saying "the church is as bad as you say, but I can't afford to demolish it myself" that still creates problems for the writing because as far as what we've seen, the things Claude says in that scene should not be true and Dimitri should know that they are not true.
Dimitri likes Rhea, not necessarily the church. I know they're more or less synonymous, but I don't think he considers the charity from Rhea as acts of the church as a whole, but Rhea as a person.
yet again running into the problem that is rhea and the church are synonymous in the game's writing, when they don't seem like they're supposed to be
Tbf this is a problem with 3H’s storytelling as a whole. If Rhea is to be interpreted as a villain for questionable actions, but is also conflated with the Church due to being its equivalent of the Pope and also being the latest fake identity adopted by its founding saint, then everyone projects their view of Rhea as an evil zealot on to the Church, who are literally just following orders and have been overwhelmingly portrayed as altruistic and helpful. Plus, Rhea is basically totally inoffensive and sinless in Three Hopes.
My problem with the writing is that in order for the evil tyrannical Rhea thing to work you have to make her evil and tyrannical even if she's doing it with a smile. This sort of thing is at its worst in Crimson Flower. Because at Rhea's absolute worst she tells everyone that they're not allowed to have gunpowder and napalm. She tells him not to have a lot of other things but seeing as how those things exist in game, like Ignatz the commoner having access to fricking corrective lenses and Hanneman having a monocle, you can argue in favor of it. But when you're comparing that to the Demonic Beasts then even if you think she's morally gray she's going to look better then the emperor that's creating them. So then you have to make her do something so completely deranged that she has never done in a full millennium in order to justify the idea that Rhea was actually evil the entire time. Which is really fricking stupid. A lot of the arguments against the church is that they are reacting wrong to literal attempted murder. All of the factions kill dissenters all the time, why does only one get that fact used against them as some sort of moral failing?
>All of the factions kill dissenters all the time, why does only one get that fact used against them as some sort of moral failing
You clearly haven’t seen people use that argument against Dimitri, for fighting back against fighting the Empire and his murder boner for Edelgard, or Edelgard herself, for her tyrannical actions and her wanton killing of believers in the non-CF routes.
Unless you mean ingame, but no one in the OG 3H ever seriously calls Rhea evil for ordering Lonato’s death, for example, at best they’re just kind of shocked by it. Not even Edelgard finds it particularly objectionable, since she seems to view him as an acceptable loss.
This point is raised in some conversation (don't remember which). Basically, the upper echelon of the Church (Rhea, Seteth and their direct subordinates) are generally very tolerant and understanding. But a bunch of lower tier folks are either pushy with their religion or intolerant of outsiders. However, that doesn't solve the problem of Claude and Edelgard thinking that the church imposes a caste system and/or impede outside relations when it's patently untrue.
I thought he wasn't wearing boots until I saw the heels
I see Tards are still seething over the glorious narrative decision that was Evil Claude
Evil Claude is weird for being so stupid, but hilarious for being absurd.
>2nd gen muslim lashes out at the scapegoat of the month because he can't fathom that his people are actually the problem
Many such cases.
Will you homosexuals ever stop b***hing about another timeline where Claude without Byleth becomes a fricking moron?
>Ferdinand stops appearing in Golden Wildfire
>The route's writing immediately goes to shit
Curious!
You took his Barley wife away from him, he had no other reason to bother showing up
>Canonically Varly tried to arrange a marriage between Bernadetta and Ferdinand.
>In Hopes Bernadetta is Ferdinand's attendant for the invasion of Leicester.
They're still one of my favored pairings.
It's a nice one, idk why they didn't get an A rank or bring it up
I actually really liked it when Claude was talking about how rich they would become after stealing Gronder Field from the Empire. I wish we could have seen more of THAT side of him than the anti-church crap they pulled.
All Claude's route needed was him betraying Edelgard in the second half, carving a chunk of the Empire as his own, and Almyra being a bigger threat.
You can even keep the killing of the Pope. Just combine the Agarthan maps with more Almyra missions, Shahid got his information from someone after all.
It was interesting world building.
I picked uh *goes to wiki* the Dimitri path and Im starting to regret it after seeing this image, she's fricking precious.
Luckily you can recruit her on all routes, because frick Edelgard the only ones who don't abandon her get slithered.
cool, how long does that take? I'm about to hit the first main mission, crew lvl 18ish
The second or 3rd main mission iirc? It will happen pretty early on.
Imagine pressing Bernie against a wall or pinning her to the ground after your A rank?
I kinda miss Berniebro...
I hope he's doing alright.
He's around in waifu threads.
cute sexy moron.
Protestantism and Atheism = BAD
"Causing a race war between Faerghus and Sreng?" I beg to differ, my friend.
See, what happened was just a polite disagreement. I simply moved our army in such a way that it gave Sreng the perfect chance to peacefully let their grievances known, honest!
Oh, Margrave Gautier died? That's such a shame...dying of old age really bites, you know? But surely a heart attack can't be blamed on some peaceful protesters, right?
Besides, even if this really was a "race war" -- and I use that term loosely, mind you -- maybe Faerghus deserves it? After all, if they weren't so religious, maybe they could have kept an open mind.
So no, this really wasn't my fault, and if it was, it certainly wasn't a race war. And if it was, then Faerghus certainly deserved it.
Now, how about you hear of my next plan? I'm going to have Ignatz paint a portrait of Petra in the middle of her clitoridectomy and have it sent to Brigid, where I imagine they will hang it proudly in their throne room. And if there's any problem, I can always send them Edelgard's way, right?
>Be Claude
>Lysithea angrily snaps at someone saying that they can't understand her
>Somehow find some slitherer's research, kidnap some kiddies from her land, and shove a second crest into them
>"Nothing personal, I just wanted to see if you'd cheer up now that you have people like you."
>playing a musou game
>40 less minutes worth of cutscenes than the other routes
They hate us.
You were always the filler route.
Nah.
>CF
What went wrong?
the most literal of all afterthoughts in three houses's development.
>Hinge the entire game's narrative on a route meant to be played after every other one
>Cater White Clouds specifically to setting up that route before getting derailed by the conflict with the timeskip
>Forget to actually polish the apex route because you decided to make a clone of the Church route but traded Rhea vs. Nemesis for Nemesis vs. Literally who so that the epic pwn of the Church is saved for the last route
>Left with two unsatisfying decent routes, a good route that doesn't actually address the main conflicts, and a half-assed final route that's so undeveloped it comes off as fanfiction
Clearly the crests are to blame
Rhea vs Nemesis was never going to be a thing, don't know why so many people keep talking about it. Just watch the opening cutscene if you want to see it.
>Muh number of cutscenes
Dude VW stole 4 cutscenes from SS and AM in part 2.
That's why people are saying VW is filler. You could remove Claude and the Alliance from the game and you wouldn't lose much.
The same can't be said with Edelgard and Dimitri.
Verdant Wind is literally the only worthwhile campaign in Houses
Crimson Flower is only just different enough to be playable but only as a novelty
>Verdant Wind is literally the only worthwhile campaign in Houses
You mean Azure Moon. The game from the getgo does not hide that it was designed to develop the Blue Lions characters the most.
Edelgard's route was rushed in development, sure, but they still clearly intended the main selling points being Dimitri as the "real" protagonist to follow, while Edelgard's the "what if" to try after to follow a bad guy's story.
Dimitri was an afterthought to Byleth
>but they still clearly intended the main selling points being Dimitri as the "real" protagonist to follow
Imagine being this delusional.
I'm glad Edelgard's voice got changed.
If she kept that old voice she would be way cuter.
The old one sounds way better honestly and keeping her around would have prevented this.
Dimitribros... we didn't even get a single line of dialogue in the debut trailer? I thought we were the protagonists....
It frustrates me how much better the game looks in trailers. The maps even had varying elevations and the battalions were more active fighting.
I wish the didn't have to downgrade it for shitty consoles like the switch.
The real protagonist is Byleth. The dev literally confirmed in their interviews that SS was the first route they made and wanted to create a bait-and-switch tactic where gamers who fooled into thinking Edelgard is making sense, but turns out she's in the wrong and is just as misinformed about the situation as Claude or Dimtri is.
This is coming from VW fan BTW, I loved that route and thought it was the best, but I don't pretend to think it's canon. Obviously, the one route where Byleth rejects Edelgard, Claude, and Dimitri, and they all end up dying without Byleth, should be the major hint that's the canon one because Byleth doesn't play favorites.
Well yeah I'm just arguing against the idea that Dimitri was marketed as a main selling point of the game.
Also the devs: its not canon.
Is this real? Then what was the deal with all the early chapters being tied to Blue Lions characters, like Ashe's dad, Sylvain's brother, etc. Actually, it even extends to a bunch of other characters having relationships throughout the story too.
Because the Kingdom becomes an afterthought after the time skip, they give it more attention in White Clouds.
I guess what I'm asking is that, did they make the second half of the game first? Because with how focused the game is on the Blue Lions characters in terms of the beginning and the character relationships, it seemed like in development they put their best efforts on the Blue Lions route, then ran out of steam when it was time to work on the Black Eagles route.
I think you are grossly overexaggerating how much focus is put on the Blue Lions characters.
The early chapters you could argue have more of an emphasis on either Blue Lions (Ashe, Sylvain, Mercedes because of the Death Knight) or kinda Black Eagles (Death Knight stuff again with Edelgard and Hubert), but it's not really balanced between all 3 main routes (heck, one of the chapters is even called "Field of the Eagle and Lion"). That's not to mention setups like Felix and his dad, Annette and hers, etc. That's not to say that the other houses don't have random character specialty, it's just that Blue Lions has more of it.
White clouds has 12 chapters. If you divide up the chapters based on themes
>1
Church focused. Mock battle to prove your worth as a teacher
>2
Church focused. ARGUABLY Empire focused. Killing Kostas, the assassin the Flame Emperor hired
>3
Church + Kingdom focused. The Western Church and Lonato both reside in the Kingdom and Lonato's anger is rooted in the Tragedy of Duscur. An explanation that's locked to 2 Blue Lions.
>4
Church focused. The western church is an enemy but they aren't claiming the kingdom in their attack
>5
Kingdom focused. Miklan's attack both takes place in the Kingdom and is focused on a Blue Lion
>6
Church focused. The Flame Emperor appears so you can stretch and say there's some Empire there
>7
Church focused
>8
Empire focused
>9
Church focused
>10
Heavy Church focus
>11
Church + Empire focused. The beginning of the war and the start of the true plot of the game
>12
Church + Empire focused. This is the start of the biggest conflict in the game
>Church 10
>Kingdom 2
>Empire 3. MAYBE 5
I think the reason why everyone thinks white cloud has so much attention on the kingdom is because you can actually go there and see the Kingdom's problems for yourself so they make more of an impact. Whereas you only visit the Empire once and no one talks about how it's a reflection of the Empire itself. There's also the matter that there are 5 Kingdom paralogues in White Clouds. That's more than the 3 Alliance paralogue and the 1 (shared with Ingrid) Black Eagles and the 5 (one shared with Hilda) Seiros paralogues.
>The first and second parts of the Empire route.. which is called by the userbase as the “Church Route”, Silver Snow. The progression of Class Leader Edelgard to become the antagonist… that is what we initially decided upon. It was from there, that every route’s story and the progression of other Lords as characters were expanded by the Koei Tecmo Scenario Team. As the Class Leader would leave, the Black Eagles were initially decided to be the most difficult route as imagined (gameplay difficulty).
>Ahh, this is about losing access to the most powerful unit that you would be raising, right? This is pretty bad, yeah.
>In my personal opinion, I think that some cruelty from the parts of developers is necessary. This is because if we weren’t cruel/callous in any way, then, just like pre-established harmony where everything only interacts with itself, it would be easy for readers/players to predict everything that will happen. A scenario that would completely be predicted by the reader/player is not something that feels attractive. And that’s why we went all out that way, but the wish to walk with Edelgard was incredibly strong even in the development team. Walking with Edelgard in “Crimson Flower”, or rather known as the, “Supreme Ruler Route” is something we honestly meant to be much more difficult to enter.
>The Black Eagles Story was the first story Kusakihara-san wrote, so I thought you might be more against this, but it’s nice that we are able to go into a route split here, so the “Unpredictable Story” that Kusakihara-san wanted was able to be achieved through this form. It feels like you were able to make it without much deviations right from the planning stage all the way
Honestly the development for Three Houses comes across as a mess
I want someone to beat Kusakihara a paddle for the crest plots that only served to frick the stories over.
>kusakihara has talked about how there's a bunch of lore that only he knows that he might forget because he hasn't written it down
I want to kidnap the guy and interrogate him
So wait, how would the students work in the original game? Would you get the Black Eagle kids as normal and everyone else was locked behind the recruitment system?
The game was designed around the idea of your strongest unit (Edelgard) betraying and becoming your rival/antagonist.
>Silver Snow is canon
Love to see it
always hear a Bonk during the cutscene, kinda ruins the emotional impact man
>"Dude you can finally team up with the Emperor in a Fire Emblem Game!"
Was one of the main selling points you mong
Edeltard's route is clearly the filler route. It's short as frick and is only interesting for how different it is in comparison to every other route. They don't even bother dealing with the slithermen onscreen.
>the unique route is the filler route
>not the one that's a copy-paste of another route
CF is unfinished, but it's not "filler"
Surely the route that was rushed to shit and the random ass church route where you take in the BE students are not the filler routes.
im actually skipping all the cutscenes and just playing, im your antithesis
You shilling your channel in here bro?
I love fire emblem three hopes
>even Square kneels to Fire Emblem
APOLOGIZE TO MY WIFE RIGHT FRICKING NOW
>RTS
They have my attention
is that triangle strategy? how good is that game?
No, that's their upcoming game which is an RTS. Triangle Strategy is really great, it's basically a spiritual successor to Final Fantasy Tactics. The story is not as good, but it nails the gameplay and the music, and it's pretty challenging.
Maybe the story will be less fricking braindead than 3H
>ywn fully level Hanneman as a Dark Bishop
>ywn give Hanneman proficient Witstrike
>ywn reclass him to War Master
>Tfw you'll never see Hanneman dispatch enemies with the grace and poise of a true gentleman's sport: Pugilism.
Stopped reading at >hanneman
What's that b***h?
He'll be in a free update anon, I promise
I dunno with byleth they actually cast spells with their strong attack but with Shez aside from being grape flavored and aside from the tornado on his C4 the rest of his moves are sword beams and flash steps. In other musou games that's not that weird for the speedy warrior types. On a semi-related gripe non of shez's strong attacks or class actions trigger of essence of dorkness too
>Be Claude
>Edelgard wants to meet to discuss their alliance and 'the future of their endeavors together'
>Deliberately wait and let Thales mindrape her back to a 12-year old
>"Nothing personal, but I wanted to see if I could get an upper hand in negotiations."
>Be Claude
>Marianne confesses that she's feeling dispirited and depressed because of the war
>Tie her up in the rape room and let Dorte have his way with her
>"No offense, I just wanted to see if you still believed in the goddess saving you."
Wait.. I think she likes that
>Be Claude
>Shahid is angrily ranting at you about you being a lowborn and that he deserves the regency
>Chuck him over a cliff
>"Nothing personal, I just wanted to see if you could be more down to earth."
>Be Claude
>Leonie is worried about thieves and poachers targeting her hometown
>Take preemptive action by razing her town
>"Nothing personal, I just wanted to see if they'd still bother when there's nothing there."
This is a way better premise than what Claude did in hopes that I'm actually kind of mad. Claude focusing on an entirely different enemy that just happens to side with antagonists fits well. Edelgard and Dimtri just fighting each other out while Claude is trying to tell them invading force led by his traditionalist brother is out there just waiting to kill them all? It's Kino, but all we got is Claude falling for Slitherer propaganda.
>three hopes finally brought the claudegays out of their falseflagger lairs into the open
Nice of them to finally join the table of shitpost discourse
There is no table, Claude abolished it remember?
Someone has to fling all their shit around now that all the Edeltards are finally dead
Edelgard's just...there in Hopes. She has no memorable moments outside of becoming a baby.
I died?
>now that all the Edeltards are finally dead
Dimitrigays have taken the place of Edelgays for most obnoxious posters because the only person that defends her is Nick or shitposters looking to bait.
>Dimitrigays have taken the place of Edelgays for most obnoxious posters
Always have been. Edelgays were just louder until now.
What discourse is there in saying that the route is just shit and makes no sense? Nobody is seriously defending it.
>I found the spears of light Thales, give me the codes and I'll make sure you die quickly.
I'm sorry but claude vs dimitri scene was kino
It would have been kino under a better context.
>Raphael goes back to his village to visit his sister Maya
>Granpa tells him the alliance leader himself came pick her up to take her to Raphael
>Confused Raph goes back to camp, to be met with splotches of blood leading him to the forest
>There he sees his sister's mangled body, her arms tied to two trees to prop her up, as a pack of wolves eat her
>Claude sits there with a muted smile as he watches her
>Furious Raphael grabs him up by his collar and bashes him against a tree
>"Claude, how could you ever do something like that, you're an evil monster" he screams, a mix of rage and tears
>Claude, keeping his empty smile, simple responds
>"nothing personal Raphael, I just wanted to see what you would be like without her"
>A liberal homosexual feminist Almyran professor classed as a Mortal Savant was teaching a class about Khalid, the king of Almyra and former head of the Leicester Alliance as a part of his history curriculum.
>”Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and bow to His Majesty and accept that vile racism permeates the Church of Seiros’ doctrine!”
>At this moment, a brave, patriotic, young Wyvern Rider, himself an Almyran who had witnessed the cruelty of his people first-hand and fully supported all decisions made by Lady Rhea stood up.
>”How’s it racist?”
>The arrogant pleb smirked quite Almyranly and smugly replied “The Church preaches prejudice against foreigners, you stupid bootlicker.”
>”Nope. Lady Rhea lets all sorts of foreigners into the monastery, and has no patience for bigots. Plus, you’re Almyran too, right? If the church was racist, you’d never have gotten a job here.”
>The racebaiting snake was visibly shaken, and dropped his copy of Fodlander Fragility on the ground. He stormed out of the room crying Almyran crocodile tears. They were the same kind of tears Almyran warriors shed while fleeing from the people whose countries they tried and failed to invade.
>The students applauded and reclassed to mounted units that day and accepted Lady Rhea as their Lord and Master. A giant eagle-like dragon named “Macuil” flew over Garreg Mach and shat all over the Star Terrace while grumbling something about the "stink of Sothis" under his breath. The Song of the Nabateans was sung several times, and Sothis herself showed up and enacted a flat rate tax policy across the universe.
How have you guys already finished the game? Did you straight up marathon this? I’m still on my first run but I’m just taking my time I guess.
I got up to the last chapter of Golden Wildfire and then dropped it.
I finished golden wildfire on friday, but summer semester ended two weeks ago so I've had the time to hard-marathon it. I'm more baffled by the people who somehow managed to beat all three routes already. They're the ones I suspect are playing on easy and just speedrunning things.
I'm halfway on my second route, but I did my first route twice because of the Byleth thing
>no route where everyone unite to invade the empire
Byleth thought Constance would only look at them this way, but instead it could be any merc who gives her a warm smile.
I married Yuri to Constance, so have a nice day you NTRtroony.
You let the literal lipstick wearing homosexual marry Constance, and you're calling me the troony?
Yuri and Constance have one of the best epilogues together you troony.
Any girl could in theory fall for anyone willing to put in the effort.
In the prime timeline, Byleth had the school and war years to forge that unbreakable close bond with her.
But in the 'shez ruins everything' timeline that never comes to be, byleth never gets that peaceful year to learn what emotions are and forge bonds with people, meanwhile shez is present and willing to make moves.
Its not a matter of fate, but of opportunity.
ZOLTAN
Kris is the best
No hard feelings, I just woke up a little "psychotic" today.
When did you realize Claude was literally the Postal Dude?
Claude succumbed to his almyra instincts and went full chimp
Finally I'm seeing a shred of SOUL in this game after eyepatch boar Dimitri was spinoff'd out of existence.
He always was
He got redpilled on the lizard question
The horrors inflicted upon humanity by Dragons.
D'awwww, Rhea being nice to her Puppet King
>wisdom to help feed masses
How many problems could just be allievated if people just talked to rhea? Those anons are right, Rhea going scored earth is the equivalent of beating a previously abused but friendly large dog and being surprised when it snaps.
Thanks anon, I needed to see some Bernieeeee tonight.
Bernie farts
>Yokota: They’re both cool names. I feel like Claude changed the least in his time skip appearance. The facial hair is a bit of an adventurous element… but when we first got his time skip design, I thought he really got a boost to his shadiness (laughs).
>But he was a really good guy.
>he was
*irreparably damages the game's writing*
Literally me when I read the script.
Yeah the entire Zahras section is fricking moronic, you can tell they just slapped it on at the last second.
>Dimitri willing to work with Edelgard and even having a sweet moment where they recall a shared childhood memory
>a few hours after Sylvain just got fricking ganked
The fact that the conversations are shared between routes really drives home how bad it is.
The Dimitri/Edelgard support makes no sense in SB either since she implies to still be a slither puppet and Claude/Dimitri makes no sense in AG since Claude just admits he plans to betray their alliance once the empire is dealt with.
The Claude and Edelgard conversation felt off to me too, in GW at least. Claude talks about them teaming up to defeat Dimitri after and Edelgard acts shocked even though they were already doing that in the previous mission. I don't know if it makes more sense in SB.
It's OK killing byleth is canon anyway, Claude along with them
So what is this scene and what route is this, and what is the context? Is this like them looking at rhea in her dragon form or some shit?
Dont be afraid to spoil me I already generally knows what happens in dimitri's and caludes route
The lords and Shez get shat into The Land Where Absolutely Nothing Fricking Matters and they all have really weird conversations that are never acknowledged in the main story at all and are forgotten about as soon as Shez shoves their hand up Epi-Pen's ass and gets them all queefed back out.
It can happen in either Claude or Dimitri's routes. Basically Claude vomits out a bunch of anti-church propaganda that you would have expected to hear from Edelgard instead, and Dimitri agrees to it all. It's just that he knows that if he publicly denounces the church, his people will get mad because of how religious the Kingdom is.
????????????????????????
THAT DOESNT MAKE ANY FRICKING SENSE AT ALL LMAO?????????????
DOESN'T THIS JUST COMPLETELY RUIN DIMITRI'S ENTIRE FRICKING CHARACTER LMAO???????????????????????????????
Welcome to Hopes
Dimitri's three point manifesto for why even though he personally agrees with Claude (and Edelgard) that the Church sucks, he can't support abolishing it because he's the king of Faerghus
I feel vindicated
i fricking kneel
Well, this was always true. Dimitri never gave a shit about Rhea and you don't even see her after the timeskip in his route.
>king’s right to rule
>people took it literally and meant that all Dimitri cares about is being in charge
He can’t be king if his country is invalid why did they write this support so stupidly?
Dimitri says that abolishng the church would abolish Faerghus' monarchy too. I'm not sure if we're ever really shown the Faerghus people being so religious they'd overthrow Dimitri
> I'm not sure if we're ever really shown the Faerghus people being so religious they'd overthrow Dimitri
The people unlikely, at the end of the day commoners don’t give a frick as long as their needs are met. It does give an excuse for his dissenters to revolt but they were going to do so regardless of the church.
>dimitri agrees that the church forces people into marriages
>when earlier in AG, we're shown that dimitri has been arranging political marriages to ensure the loyalty of the western lords
>who forces you and your friends into unwanted marriages
Me homosexual. It's for the sake of eugenics and a strong army. Like 3copes has it so bad when barely any of those homosexuals get married consensual or otherwise.
Pic related
Lapdances are so hot
Robin please, I don't want to give my sister to Lonk.
>"Oh woe is me, I have responsibilities and have to actually DO stuff for my people because of the Crests. :("
I hate this little prick so goddamned much.
Even worse is he’s from the one country that probably would have allowed him to pass leadership to someone else like Lorenz or Holst.
if you talk to the paladin in camp he asserts he and the wife WANTED to be married so it seems more a case of "this works out well for everyone" more than anything.
I guess Dimitri doesn't think his father's diplomatic efforts with Duscur and Sreng were official. Lambert was just sneaking behind the Church's back
In Dimitri/Mercedes A support he genuinely seems ignorant about the church, just not in a moronic way. It makes a little bit of sense considering their time at the academy was cut short. Still, how hard is it for them to read the book of Seiros? Dimitri at least should have read it considering his people are supposedly very religious.
Glenn and Lambert chanting 'MURDER MURDER MURDER' in his head made it a bit difficult to concentrate.
HILDA! HILDA! HILDA!
I would bury my face into her breasts.
don't touch my prostitute wife
stfu, hilda is my wife and not a prostitute
I'm nearly done with SB, should I do GW or AG next?
GW. AG has the most required recruits to complete supports if you want more NG+ resources to speed it up.
Wow they finally made Bernie look cute
lysithea... hilda... noooo
https://twitter.com/overused23/status/1544034568549826563?t=yOMcV5LAM8haOdDrgVbhxQ&s=19
>Part 1 fin
Jesus frick.
So we all can agree that 3 Houses didn't happen and this is the actual canon right?
Frick no.
No, I married Dimitri and we lived happily ever after. That's canon.
>So we all can agree that 3 Houses didn't happen and this is the actual canon right?
Frick no.
Withhold your judgment until you actually finish a route, they start a lot stronger than they finish. I will definitely agree that the setup is a lot stronger in Three Hopes, Rhea sending everyone home as tensions mount between the countries is way better than the school just getting attacked. The whole thing just feels way more natural like this. It also rectifies one of the worst things about Edelgard, which is her complicity with the mole people. Being able to firmly frame them as villains instead of these really bad people we totally have to work with to win does wonders for her character.
Nah, all the resulting endings are much weaker than Houses and resolve very little in the end. The War continues in all routes.
Plus the developers have already suggested they’ve intentionally sabotaged the writing here in order to not upset fans of “the original Byleth and their work.”
>Plus the developers have already suggested they’ve intentionally sabotaged the writing here in order to not upset fans of “the original Byleth and their work.”
That's because they didn't want the mainline game to become obsolete thanks to a shitty musou.
HOLST "FRICK MY SISTER" GONERIL
holy frick we actually got to see what Holst looks like?
You're kinda late there, pal.
This guy's voice acting is extremely bland. At least it's not offensively bad like Jeritza's.
You don't like PROZD?
>El gives you a pen for S support
did byleth cuck me from beyond the grave?
>Hubert that damn Ashen Demon is making my crests feel tingly!
Shez never had a chance.
Someone tell me right now if it's worth getting Essence of Ice on Bernadetta if she's going to stay on Bows, does it at least work with her personal skill?
Aren´t the writers supposed to know their lore and check what they write so later on they don´t end up contradicting themselves at some point in the script and end up with a moronic plot?
Who do i give the merc whistle to?
BERNIE
Balthus for gameplay
indoor Constance or Hubert otherwise
Whoever you think is the cutest. You won't be using the item you get for it anyway since nothing beats your default ability.
You can equip it on other characters but sadly you can't give it to Shez to share her ability
MULTIPLE
SCENARIO
WRITERS
I just found out that the english subtitle to this game is completely different to the original Japanese’s. The original simply has “Wind, Flower, Snow, Moon”, as pretty obvious references to the original four routes (Verdant Wind, Crimson Flower, Azure Moon and Silver Snow).
Was this actually a translation frickup and we’re supposed to be awaiting a fourth route?
It's the same name as the mainline game.
Right, just saw that too.
So essentially the original Japanese title always mentioned the Four routes and yet this one keeps that title while only having three. That’s either a lazy mistake, red herring, or foreshadowing a final route for this game.
The original Three Houses also had a Japanese subtitle relating to "Four Seasons", but the translation was awkward, so they changed it to be about the Houses as a reference to the Three Kingdoms (which the setting's based off of) and to hide the fourth route. So Japanese get a "four" theme, we get a "three" theme.
Nah, that's just the same subtitle as Three Houses. The game's Japanese title is Fire Emblem Musou: Fūkasetsugetsu, the "musou" setting it apart from the original, with the subtitle indicating that it's related specifically to Three Houses. They did the same thing with Three Hopes that they did when "translating" Three Houses, because a direct translation would've been extremely clunky and awkward. It's not nearly as big of a deal here since there are actually only three choices this time, as opposed to the four in Three Houses, which were represented by the seasons.
How did Thyrsus grow so much
Thyrsus changes size depending on who is holding it.
Its size changes in accordance to the wielder's penis size.
In all seriousness it was probably to account for mage animations that they made the staves wands instead.
>anons are realizing the Japanese are as shit as their western counterparts at writing
Why do you keep trying to pull this Japanese vs western crap in these threads?
I knew that, but I still prefer how sincere Jap writing feels even if things get ridiculous.
Bad writing as a result of incompetence is better than bad writing caused by the need to market to as many people as possible.
Maybe we just assume that all the unseen cardinals at the top of the church are bigots or something, and Rhea is cool with that despite not being xenophobic herself?
If that was true then we should have been fighting the cardinals. Really it would have been extremely simple to just write in some new church dudes who hates Almyra or something if they were so deadset on giving Claude the anti-church route.
This is also how the Deers coped when they turned on Rhea.
>"W-we're not against the teachings of the church, we're just against Rhea!"
>writers want church to be bad
>but also want rhea to sympathetic and good
I suspect maybe they want us to think Rhea doesn't do much actual leading and leaves everything up to the cardinals, and just takes care of orphans, tries to bring back Sothis, and stares at Sitri's corpse. Its all very weird
Isn’t that the case? 3H implied Seteth and the Cardinals did most of the actual administration and Rhea was more of a figurehead who could override if she wanted to but was focused more on mommy.
Its pretty crazy to me that there apparently really is a cabal of immortal lizard blooded illuminati ruling Fodlan, but the only one of them we meet is a simp
>3H implied Seteth and the Cardinals did most of the actual administration and Rhea was more of a figurehead who could override if she wanted to but was focused more on mommy
Wait I don't remember that. Could you tell me when he said that exactly?
Seteth says he handles management of the church’s administrative tasks, oversees the knights and other stuff in his support.
>racism is in the gaps
god damn it, he is just an American humanities student
Nobody in either Houses or Hopes addresses how the church's top brass stray from the teachings in the actual books and sermons though. As such, Claude is basically lying his ass off.
Yeah and Dimitri agrees with Claude that Church does that stuff. So either Dimitri is also lying, he believes Claude's lies, or Claude is actually right. Its dumb either way
Question: in ng+, can i play the first route i did in the record keeper ?
Yes
Thanks for answering. And in the record keeper i can use any units i own of any route, right ?
So the record keeper is kinda like the "free mode" of previous musou game
Yes, but they're still affected by permadeath during that playthrough
yep
>pick "Quick and Efficient"
>game still wastes my time showing me stupid shit like enemy snipers starting a fusillade, fog clearing, and other pointless cutaways
Apologize to him right now.
No, his life is better in Hopes than in Houses.
>starts four golden ages that betters Fodlan on top of having his own life
>stays with his dad and never brings an end to the war
?
You only need dad.
He was able to live his own life as a merc too, and in that timeline still has the rest of his family. If anything I expect Byleth's future in the hopes timeline to be similar to what happens in the alois ending of houses where eventually byleth settles down with a sweet village girl and lives a comfy quiet life, but now also with dad still around. Their life is certainly less glamorous, but saying either is better or worse for byleth as a person is missing perspective. The houses timeline may be better for fodlan, but which one makes byleth HAPPIER?
I'm playing this in classic mode, which is probably a terrible idea given how it's a fricking musou, but oh well. Who can die? Only my 4 units or the non playable ones too?
Everyone can die unless they're important to the main story, so basically the lords and their main retainers.
I guess I'll always be taking a healer with me then, thanks!
>dimitri gets his own MUST YOU RECONQUER line
pottery
I think you meant Claude
>byleth gets to keep his dad/friends
>but the entire world needs to fricking fall apart with never ending war
Is it even worthwhile to save Byleth on more than one route? The Zahras stuff was so dumb I'd like to pretend it doesn't exist from now on.
Yes because relics! You'll miss 2 of them otherwise, make sure you S ranked them
God dammit.
It's simple, they wanted to have their cake and eat it too
Church needs to be bad to justify the anti-church routes into being the good guys
But Church also needs to be good to justify the pro-church routes into being the good guys
Fire Emblem does not want you to play as the villain, simple as, and so this kind of thing happens
The big issue with Houses/Hopes is that the writers want the player to FEEL like they're right no matter the route they choose, they're too cowardly to commit to a character being wrong
>You chose Edelgard and CF? Here's Rhea burning the kingdom to the ground, you're now justified
>Chose Dimitri and AM? Here's Edelgard turning into a literal demon who thinks only she can rule the world and keeps her citizens as hostages
>Chose Claude and GW? Here's every faction agreeing to his anti church assessments despite the player ever only seeing evidence that contradicts them
Clearly the solution is to just pick Verdant Wind and kill everything with Rhea having to step down anyway
>Never ending war
>Literally the first year of war
?
If it didn't end during the events in the game nor mentioned in the epilogue, then it is never ending until a sequel proves otherwise.
>anons are realizing Dimitri is just as much a fedora as Claude and Edelgard
Did you guys not play the previous game?
Dimitri didn’t believe in the goddess but he wasn’t so moronic to think they were the cause of all problems in Fodlan.
This Claude support is the only place in AG where he even entertains such stupid notions.
Aren't most characters actually ambivalent about the church other than Mercedes and Manuela?
i mean, even they dont necessarily always like the church. like none of the religious people in this game are fully on board with the church; the only ones who are, like catherine and cyril, aren't actually religious themselves, they're just extremely loyal to rhea personally
how does this game even fit into the canon of three houses?
It doesn't. It's an alternate telling where the house leaders bump into a mercenary before they ever meet Byleth
I see. thats a bit cringe
I gotchu
SB, AG, and GW also split into two.
That image just covers splits that result in routes. Otherwise you could have hundreds of splits for every optional death.
It doesn't because its an AU where Byleth didn't murder a specific mercenary and doesn't meet the lords. Hopes is its own timeline.
Byleth was right, atheists ARE bad.
>Byleth was right, atheists ARE bad.
nice headcanon there buddy
>Edelgard
>Claude
Yeah nah.
Evil is just better. Imagine being a cuck for morality. Even in the real world, psychopaths win big, whereas normalgays end up as wagies.
The only way the golden age happens in Fodlan is because of the Goddess, not Richard Dawkins pal.
>Anon still making this about Atheism
>Also in the OG Claude literally is able to usher in the Golden Age without any God-King LARP bullshit, as does Dimitri
Both of those dudes need Byleth with God powers to get anywhere. Same for Edelgard.
The fact Byleth, as an MC, and his/her God powers, as a plot device, are necessary to advance the plot does not even remotely prove the God-King shit from SS is necessary or the true route. Your argument is a non sequitur.
>not even remotely prove the God-King shit from SS is necessary or the true route.
>only focuses on SS
>doesn't realize CF, AM and VW are all possible thanks to the Goddess' powers helping their cause
BRUH
>doesn't realize CF, AM and VW are all possible thanks to the Goddess' powers helping their cause
Except I do realize this. Only SS has you literally become the God-King of Fódlan. The OP’s original point was that “atheists are bad”…even though the Goddess’ avatar can literally help the people they were referring to as “atheists” win, as you just said.
Actually its two (SS,VW), three if you marry Dimitri and become God-Queen. Point its, God's power is what saved those smelly atheists.
>Point its, God's power is what saved those smelly atheists.
That’s just called dramatic irony.
>Without any god-king larp bullshit
Literally every single route in Three Houses results in a golden age BECAUSE Byleth is just the second coming of Sothis, no Byleth = no golden age, ergo atheists are stupid
Missing the point. I never said atheism is good, I just said the argument that this is about theism vs. atheism is bullshit. It’s not about that. Since as you said, Byleth’s God powers objectively exist and are able to lead his/her chosen faction — even the ones OP regards as being “bad” for being “atheists” — to victory.
Honestly Dimitri isn't wrong in regards to how you just can't throw away the Church and expect everything to be okay, Claude and Edelgard got off easy, like they can just say "Yep, we're against the Church now" and the people just go along with it. Reality isn't that neat and tidy and there's been hundreds of civil wars when government and religion have come to a head, Dimitri's crime is that he has to deal with a real province instead of an idealistic anime one.
even in the Kingdom there was still religious schisms that could’ve been exploited to help fight the Church and root out its influence, just as there were in the Empire. if anything, Leicester should be the least capable of resisting the Central Church’s influence, if not for them being presented as an impious Venice-style merchant republic full of moneygrubbing parasites.
Well the empire was prepared for it. I can't check because my switch is currently undergoing repairs but sometime back the Southern church was ousted because they attempted to involve themselves in the Empire's political matters. It took time for the Central Church to negotiate with the emperor to allow Imperial students to attend the officer's Academy again. But more important than that the Empire had already been living without the church for years. Even though Central Church Bishops still visited the empire and preached time and again, the Southern church hasn't been a thing for quite some time. So when the current Emperor is able to show up and just say no more gods it's not that much of a leap even if Hubert has to begin a propaganda campaign to deal with those who still hold on to the faith.
Leicester is also mildly prepared for it. The Eastern Church has no power. The Eastern Church has no army. The Nobles of the alliance are only Pious because that's what's expected of them as nobles. They don't actually believe or at least they are not so convicted that they would stand against the empire if they thought they would lose.
Any place to church holds real sway is in the Kingdom. Because they still hold on to the partnership established when the Central Church recognized Faerghus as a nation.
I feel like Hopes subtly retconned the Alliance's relationship with the Church in order to make it easier for nuClaude's route to work out. In Crimson Flower, Edelgard says
>The Church of Seiros has great influence and power. Their control over the lords of the Kingdom and the Alliance is nearly absolute.
And pic related, I think the Eastern church was supposed to be on good terms with the Central church in Three Houses.
Edelgard's just wrong, and always has been
The Eastern Church doesn't seem to really care either way
>Dimitri's crime is that he has to deal with a real province instead of an idealistic anime one.
It’s actually absurd how easy Claude and Edelgard seem to have it when it comes to their reforms.
Edelgard pulled a coup but at the very least she made sure to have the relevant people in her camp to ensure a smoother takeover. Claude uprooted the very foundation of the Alliance and his dissenters were dealt with offscreen by marching his army north, all the old lords just pass leadership to their kids who happen to be Claude’s friends because they don’t want to take orders from him instead of actually fighting back.
I thought Claude had to kill off the minor Leicester lords who wanted to defect to Faerghus?
I don’t think he killed them, didn’t he just gently push them into submission by sending his army to their gates.
I want to slap the writers with a textbook on writing.
I can't get over that awful homosexual ponytail haircut. Truly a downgrade in every conceivable way.
He’s being practical since he actually has depth perception this time.
I don't know, she's kinda cringe in this one compared to Three Houses.
imagine if sreng was able to sack fhirdiad because nobody's defending it
Sreng taking Fhirdiad, and perhaps even Faerghus, would be a disaster for Edelgard and Claude. Sreng doesn't care about their nations or interests, and it might just wage war when it feels like it. Furthermore, since Edelgard will likely need a civil war within Adrestia and its conquered territories to purge her war hawks and "Make Adrestia Whole Again" nobles and civilians, that means Adrestia would end up weaker than ever, and thus at risk of Sreng. Meanwhile, Sreng could attack the Federation, which would be smaller and weaker than the Empire at that time.
I don't get what Dimitri means by this; this conversation is about how Dimitri can't go help Rhea because he has to defend against Edelgard at Arianrhod, and is apologizing to Gustave for abandoning Rhea to Claude. And it seems Dimitri is echoing what Claude was speculating before, that Dimitri is letting Claude take out the Church so Faerghus can be free from its duty to defend it. So Dimitri actually thinks that with the Church gone, he can negotiate a peace with the Empire, so they don't have to bow down?
GW makes everyone moronic.
Sreng is explicitly stated to be looking for fertile land. Once they get to Faerghus, they will definitely keep trying to go south. Specially if they breed some Fodlans and get some crest viking motherfrickers.
>So Dimitri actually thinks that with the Church gone, he can negotiate a peace with the Empire, so they don't have to bow down?
Three Hopes’ version of Edelgard is far less of a Napoleon esque egotistical conquering tyrant and more of a wayward anti-villain than her original portrayal in Three Houses. For starters, she is willing to negotiate with Claude, and seems genuinely annoyed by the fact she has to march against the Kingdom to get to Rhea.
>Gustave send an envoy to Sreng
>They can have this frozen shithole if they help us wipe out Adr*stia and Leic*ster
They truly had to make everyone moronic to justify Claude.
How has the Federation shown the Kingdom a way to avoid collapse and slaughter? The ship sailed on what will make Adrestia declare war years ago, and either choice, defending the church or decrying the church, will cause Adrestia to see the Kingdom as either a corrupt enemy by association or corrupt traitors on stolen land. Is he hoping that if the first happened, and the church collapses, Edelgard will just awkwardly leave instead of making a new excuse? If it can at all look like the Kingdom left the church high and dry, and doesn't help to rebuild it with Seteth or a random pick for archbishop, the second condition can still vest afterward.
>Is he hoping that if the first happened, and the church collapses, Edelgard will just awkwardly leave instead of making a new excuse?
GW has to make him stupid to justify Claude’s moronation because AG Dimitri figured out the church was a convenient excuse in the first chapter.
Either way he’d have to fight the empire so he chose the path that doesn’t lead to a civil war within his own country and gives him access to the Church’s resources for the war.
Why would Edelgard stop if Claude gets Rhea, they had Dimitri by the balls anyway at that point. Federation would at least annex like half of kingdom's territory.
Comfy!
does rhea disapprove of leicester in general? claude talks about some historical stuff about the church fricking with leicester back in their independence war and there's this line
The Church doesn’t seem to care much for Leicester. Rhea’s dialogue makes sense here because she has always had more of a soft spot for the Empire (pre-Edelgard, that is) and is the main reason the Kingdom both exists and also didn’t try and go full rape mode on the Empire during its Independence War.
I think she's just talking about Claude's new Leicester Federation that he just pulled out of his ass in that route.
>The Leicester Alliance was officially formed after the subjugation of hostile nobles and the removal of all opposing forces in the regions
of Faerghus. An influential figure from the outset, Duke Riegan was inarguably the heart of the newly formed Alliance.
Its funny that it sounds like Leicester straight up invaded Faerghus to wipe out the opposition
They were once a proud people who valued freedom and independence. Sadly it has all been lost.
Is this literally the only time Albinea is mentioned by name in dialogue? Also I thought it was mostly uninhabited
Maybe. The Three Houses descriptions for Albinea say it has a small population due to how hostile the environment there is, and there's apparently trade for meat and seeds between it and Fodlan. Claude is acting like it's a random map spot but there was flavor text in Houses showing that contact did exist.
Claude's true goal was to open up trade between Almyra and Albinea. Fodlan is just in the way.
Barely anyone talks about Hopesgard
I haven't played her route or even watched videos of it or read the leaks about it. Supposedly she high fives Shez?
Rhea sacrifices herself to kill Thales, they both disappear. Edelgard just looks at what's left then high fives Shez. It's all like a fever dream.
Edelgard’s arch nemesis sacrifices herself to kill Edelgard’s abuser, put an end to the Agarthan scourge, and inadvertently save a nonbeliever she had previously vowed to kill brutally, for the sake of the greater good. If this isn’t proof that Hopes Rhea is objectively good, then I don’t know what is.
She actually feels like a character now and has a bit more cute moments.
Because she’s arguably the same character but they just gave her a capacity for pragmatism
It's cute that she watches out to not get criticized by Shez
Nope, because it is Claude's turn to get shit on
Because she’s still the dumb leader she was only worse.
if you try to talk about her, there's a good chance you start a thread-long meltdown in either direction, i can do without ever seeing the name nick again
Hopegard seems like a more relatable character. I haven't finished Azure Gleam yet but I do want to try Scarlet Blaze once I'm done. I'd intended to do Golden Wildfire after I was done but I feel like I got a lot of the bullet points throughout these threads while I know next to nothing about Scarlet Blaze
She's still needlessly expansionist
>She's still needlessly expansionist
She literally spares Leicester if you recruit Byleth and in this one she also seems genuinely laserfocused on the Church as opposed to using her grudge as an excuse for revanchism
>She literally spares Leicester if you recruit Byleth
She’s going back for it.
Pay more attention to her dialogue, she still goes on about unifying Fodlan even after her pact.
>Edelgard
>Keeping her word
She’s gone back on every alliance she’s ever made outside Adrestia
>She’s gone back on every alliance she’s ever made outside Adrestia
What alliances has she ever made period except for the alliance with the Slitherers, which she only goes back on because she literally always hated them.
Anon, it's called lying. Edelgard constantly says she'll unite Fodlan under the Imperial Flag because she sees as the other two states of Fodlan as usurped lands that belong to the Empire. She says this even after making a deal with the Alliance.
As seem here.
Claude even says to other characters, including Shez, that he knows Edelgard is lying to him and is preparing for it when she does eventually turn on him. Were you surprised in Claude's route where he says he supports Edelgard, only to backstab her the same way he did to Dimitri and Rhea?
Dude's a snake, both Edelgard and Claude know their alliance is necessary and the only thing that keeps together is the fact that they oppose the Church, unlike the Kingom.
>Were you surprised in Claude's route where he says he supports Edelgard, only to backstab her the same way he did to Dimitri and Rhea?
I wish your version of Claude's route was what happened
I think Scarlet Blaze is basically what Crimson Flower should have been, as in not truncated and unsatisfying. Also they gave Edelgard a real paralogue that isn't just a copypaste of Hilda's, and its pretty good.
Its kind of funny in that the Empire is still the strongest nation, so they have to write in some stuff to justify a steamroll not happening. Edelgard has to run back and forth a good bit
>as in not truncated and unsatisfying.
That’s what SB was. Supports aside the story, like the other two, went down the drain midway and ended ingloriously. Even Rhea and Thales disappearing while Shez and Edelgard have a “we did it!” fir no reason sucked
>Even Rhea and Thales disappearing while Shez and Edelgard have a “we did it!” fir no reason sucked
Nonsense, it was the best part, because that meant it was finally fricking over
>Nonsense, it was the best part
That was fricking stupid and made Edelgard look silly compared what she was in 3H which is saying a lot.
Read the rest of it you brainlet
Comeback to me when it’s actually over instead of saying Rhea and Thales are missing and Edelgard is marching onwards to another inevitable standstill because she trusted a snake named Khalid.
Bad writing. It was IntSys and KT’s shitty way of trying to clap back at all the schizos who talked about how any of the OG’s endings were not sustainable.
What’s funny enough is that CF was probably tied with SS for most sustainable since they killed all the slithers off unlike AM and VW.
Silver Snow never addresses Cornelia/Cleobolus or the Adrestian army remnants, whereas Verdant Wind (with the Byleth and Claude ending) does.
They say there's eternal peace, I think they're fine.
CF didn't kill off the Slithers.
>Muh Jeritza jpeg
BL also got the same shit with Hapi.
There's nothing wrong with SS.
SS results in a moronic theocracy and an emotionless unfettered man or woman as Fódlan’s immortal divine philosopher king. Even if it’s sustainable, it’s not good.
Excaept they say that both Byleth and Seteth are pretty hands off in their reign and let the people do whatever they want as long as they keep peace. There isn't a single downside other than "I don't like church because the real world one is bad".
>There isn't a single downside other than "I don't like church because the real world one is bad".
Then I would argue that the ending is just too perfect, not that it’s a bad ending.
>SS
>slithers, Edelgard and Dimitri dead
>Claude fricked off to Almyra
>immortal Byleth on the throne
>Seteth (immortal) acts as Byleth’s right hand
Sounds pretty sustainable to me so long as Byleth isn’t vulnerable to dragon degeneration.
>Sounds pretty sustainable to me
Whether an ending is or isn’t sustainable isn’t the point. I was making fun of the collapse porn that would typically be invoked in arguments over which ending was the “best”.
If Shez high fived Dimitri, would they die.
No because Dimitri would not use his full strength for a high-five. Even if he did, he would only break his/her hand and possibly also his/her forearm, not kill him/her.
every ending in three hopes is like that, i just think sb does it better
SB isn’t as depressing and ominous as the original CF. Probably because they decided to give Claude the “Villain Route” this time.
Seriously, the endings in this game fricking suck.
>if you try to talk about her, there's a good chance you start a thread-long meltdown in either direction
to be completely fair, this has been the effect of uttering the name “Edelgard” in any context and under circumstances in any FE-related thread since the release of the original Three Houses. to say that she is a polarizing character would be to make a colossal fricking understatement.
leif is a funny guy
>this fricker
>Annette's uncle
>Count Rowe AKA Faerghus' biggest snake in the grass
>Myson
>Any named Agarthan really
>Berling
>all are faceless generics
Why is Intsys like this?
>Berling
Who cares?
I do. She needs a better design for rape/humiliation doujins where male Byleth dominates her
what route do you think the extra arval chapters was written for
SB
Nah, Dimitri is way too amicable, he should be fricking livid considering how many important people to him she's killed
AO3
Why does Dimitri just leave Edelgard to die in a burning building at the end of AG?
Because frick Adrestrians.
She was going poopie in her diapee and needed some privacy. He was going to come back for her once she finished.
God damn Mercedes' face model is fricked. She looks like a fricking alien during expeditions.
Looking back at Crimson Flower Felix is even weirder after playing through AG. What happens to him in the other routes outside of AG anyway? I'm guessing killed off?
You fight him in SB near the end but he retreats.
They maxxed oit his tsundere in Hopes.
Felix was always doomed to being the bottom b***h fujo bait character. I can hear the fat fujos clapping and emptying their wallets while becoming unpaid twitter shills for your mediocre game.
Verdant Wind is the only sustainable route because Nemesis is dead. All other routes have a chance of Nemesis returning.
Goddamnit Jim
Dimitri and Byleth could stomp Nemesis. Sucks for CF though considering Byleth was depowered
>considering Byleth was depowered
Seeing as Sothis didn’t actually leave him, at least according to her paired ending, then he could theoretically easily be repowered.
>Seeing as Sothis didn’t actually leave him, at least according to her paired ending
It's mere schizo delusions
>It's mere schizo delusions
Just makes it more based
Byleth lost the ability to use SotC which is a definite nerf.
Doesn't the Aymr have a crest of flames crest stone in it? why not pluck that out and jam it into the sotc?
Pretty sure it has Marianne’s crest stone in game but official art depicts it with Gautier.
Now I just have to wonder how either of those got into it. Given how even among direct relatives for nabateans their crests are different I don't think its a case where you could get a match by killing two closely related dragons, so supposedly they use artificial stones, so at that point why not dig up some agarthan tech and make an artificial flames stone?
you're right, its 4am and I'm being dumb. Apparantly they're artificial stones. Though now I'm left to wonder how the hell Gautier+Beast makes a magic axe tuned to flames+seiros.
>a crest of flames crest stone in it?
There's only one crest of flames crest stone and it's in Byleth
VW is good… unless you play as Frog and romance Claude.
The duality of anons
The male Byleth ending with Claude also addresses and resolves the matter of "Cornelia" and the Adrestian remnants, it's not a waifu thing.
>male Byleth ending with Claude
Nani
Went back and checked, I was thinking of their solo endings together, but Claude's only mentioned imperialist remnants. It's only the female Byleth and Claude ending that mentions the Agarthans alongside those remnants, my mistake.
You didn't play the game
>male Byleth ending with Claude
? Do you mean Claude’s solo end, there’s no queers in the deers.
>there’s no queers in the deers.
the reason why GD is the best house
>the reason why GD is the best house
They have the most one note characters
>They have the most one note characters
True but we are compensated by being 100% carpetmuncher and twink free
They are actually the deepest and multifaceted characters but you have to look below the surface to see
You're going to tell me fricking Ignatz is deeper and more multifaceted than any of the lords?
Yes.
Why would you use Ignatz in comparison to the Lords? He's a commoner. Just by station his personal trials is going to be with his immediate family and friends. Because he doesn't have lands or a people to think about unlike say Lorenz or Claude where those things are relevant to them.
Because that anon said the Deer were
>the deepest and multifaceted characters
and that sweeping statement includes Ignatz. If you want to play easy mode, pit Ignatz against Ashe.
Go on then.
Ignatz is the key
Ignatz is not popular enough to be key they would never make him anything important.
Ignatz is a chad
Not than the lords but Ignatz is unironically one of the more interesting deers because he actually has a personal conflict he has to confront and Houses/Hopes splits the path he chooses. Every other deer besides Lorenz is in exactly the same position they were in at the start of VW.
Makes sense, it's forbidden by sharia.
>Felix and Dimitri's A rank support
>Felix literally picks Dimitri up and takes him to his bead
That was fun, and it was nice to see there was a real friendship between the two considering how prickly Felix usually is
I forget and will probably feel like a moron for it, but is this the first time we learn that Dimitri always saw the ghosts since when it happened? I sorta assumed they started appearing and talking to him after he lost his shit post timeskip.
No, I think he tells Byleth that he's been seeing/hearing the ghosts since Duscur. This support is the first time he directly addresses why he was smiling like a maniac during the rebellion, which was what initially made Felix scared of him.
Why does Petra seem to have the most conclusive final support with Shez? Everyone else just sorta affirms their friendships, but Petra outright asks Shez to come work for Brigid after the war ends.
Also what the frick was Ashe's A rank. I wanna know what was in the letter.
Petra takes what she is wanting.
Petra is the secret fourth lord.
Shez is a short white boy.
I'm sure not even petra can take away the manlet quartet of Shez, Caspar, Ashe and Ignatz
Edelgard won
So won oh right, but not in the way you imagine.
>POV. You are Hubert
Why is Claude a moron in hopes?
Because he's a deep and multifaceted character.
If only that was true, normies just throw around word complex to any character they like to try to make them more interesting.
But with claude anime writers don't know how to make these complex characters, so it just comes off as a cliche or their motivatoins don't make sense.
Not true
He didn’t finish school.
He's valid though
He's culturally enriched and there's no god being to slap some sense into him.
Overcompensation for making his route redundant in Three Houses.
He's not immune to propaganda. Either the Empire's or his own
Where are the DLC
2 more weeks
New FE when?
Dimitri won
>still stupid
>just the least stupid of three
But at what cost?
Less one tit frog, plus one Fraldarius twink.
Why is Rafail Gem missing in CF?
Cum and Bernie's tum
Be respectful towards Berniebro's wife.
I'm gonna frick bernadetta and no "bernie bro" is gonna stop me
WHAT WAS HILDA THINKING