Its actually not.
The XIV engine is a separate engine made with some help from the luminous team (who themselves were still also a totally separate and different team from tabata's)
9 months ago
Anonymous
>The XIV engine is a separate engine made with some help from the luminous team
It seems Luminous to me. At least the cutscenes. Luminous' deal was giving CGI quality cutscenes with rendering. That's why XVI is 80 gb and one bluray, in comparison 7R-2 is going to be 150 gb and two blurays.
>first was a ps4 exclusive >then released on ps5 >then EGS >then finally on Steam
Every single suit involved in this decision making process deserves to have their legs broken
How is that a bad thing again? Maybe when they're on the verge of collapsing they'll turn again to gamers and make games catering to them and not the twitter trannies. I mean, how long can snoy just tank it in? Are ESG scores really worth it?
The worst part is that this isn't Sony's fault this time. Covid, crypto, tech shortages, global recessions, Black folk rioting over literally any little excuse, and many more things all came in at the same time and absolutely fricked up the PS5 for three years, which for some consoles is half their active lifecycle.
Switch wasn't affected because it used old ass parts that Nintendo already stocked gorillions of, and it was already out for a few years anyways.
Xbox was affected like the PS5 but Microwiener had already launched their gay pass initiative and pretty much didn't give a shit if the Xbox console line was successful or not due to their focus on the subs.
PC had the gpu crisis but the only real thing that did was get people to stick with their already built PCs for a few years longer and not play in 4K ultra max.
Keep in mind that nobody knew 2020-2022 was going to be that shitty to begin with, all of them happened to already have branched out from beyond the traditional console model to keep operating, except Sony.
>"it's not sony's fault, despite every other constructor in the world pulling off record profits thanks to covid"
Sony is just shit at managing logistics, no need to look for any other reason
>The worst part is that this isn't Sony's fault
They failed to maintain any flagship franchises or put any decent games at all on their console. Releasing a Smash Bros clone again at this point would be a stupid joke because no one would care about the characters anymore.
>this isn't Sony's fault
It is purely Sony's fault. >No games >Overpriced >Again no games
And now that it has been out already for so many years I ain't buying one before they release some pro version of the system.
did you forget that Forspoken was actually a game they put a lot of marketing money and expectations behind and it sold so horrifically that it scuttled the entire development studio less than a month later, all the hanger-ons of FFXV's development gone with the wind
Maybe they should have made it multiplatform from day one and sell it at 60 bucks instead of 70 like we did right now. But no, let's be greedy and fall for Sony's exclusivity money. This proved that SE top management is made up entirely of morons.
It should've been released on the PS4 alongside, nothing screams "PS5 quality" in XVI, then again knowing Yoshida's development style, I'm not surprised
Square Enix won't admit that most Final Fantasy fans don't care about PS5 and that FF16 failed to resonate with Sony Naughty Dog ESG slop consumers after they sacrificed it to make it more in line with other Sony movie game slop.
That's an unfair comparison, even the shitty pii u had a wide abundance of nintendo games and its long been proven that tendies buy first party nintendo games by the truckload.
>Console that sold 12 million units had better software attachment rates than the brand new console that has sold over 2 times as many units >"THAT'S AN UNFAIIIIIIIRRRR COMPARISON"
#
The problem is that the vast majority of PS5's that have been sold since launch are either sitting in a scalper's basement (where they're now desperately trying to get rid of them at a discount) or normalgay lamers who will literally not play anything on the console besides FIFA, Madden, or CoD.
Very few people that enjoy traditional vidya own or have any interest in buying a PS5 and Sony's marketing hype is quickly drying up because of lackluster software quality (oh great another fricking remaster of a game that's less than ten years old! Totally worth 400 bucks in this Godawful economy!).
Also doesn't help in FFXVI's case that it has little appeal to the core Japanese fanbase with its gritty tone and art style.
Just like anti-FF16 threads are being deleted here? How much money is that shitty company gonna throw at Musk and Hiro to save face before they finally go bankrupt?
so what you mean is it met expectations, making it not a flop by default
9 months ago
Anonymous
No it is a flop and its legs fell off a cliff
literally sold less than Forspoken in first week of august
https://nintendoeverything.com/uk-software-sales-for-the-week-ending-august-5-2023/
9 months ago
Anonymous
It met expectations and no amount of coping will change this reality, unlike flopspoken straight up called a flop by square >nintendoeverything >uk sales
lol
9 months ago
Anonymous
>literally sold less than Forspoken in first week of august
whats that got to do with their expectations
Twitch views are the only metric they have. Even though it means nothing because some streamer with a billion regular viewers can stream a litteral who $5 meme game and have it overtake several huge franchises for a couple of hours. Doesn't mean that game is selling gangbusters.
>Even though it means nothing
It kinda does: Big streamers who continuously stream games nobody gives a frick about will eventually lose their viewers.
They became big because they were streaming on popular games in the first place.
If you look at the past titles perforance, Final Fantasy sales are extremely front-loaded. FF16 capped out at 3 milllion copies. PC port isn't gonna do shit for it, but Yoshida can cope all he wants that his flop will have legs, lol.
Movie games are frontloaded as hell, and Sony movie games only sell in the long run because they are bundled with their console and Square was dumb enough to make a movie game instead of a pure RPG.
That's what happens when you make a PS5 exclusive game. Even Sony themselves realize how moronic that is and has been making all of their games go to PS4 and even PC. Too bad Square trusted Sony only to be dropped hard by them this way, I guess whatever money Sony paid them for exclusivity wasn't even enough to cover their asses.
Should have made a better game. I beat it, and it's the most painfully forgettable FF game I've played. I'm not counting spin-offs because those are all shit by default.
>Forspoken jumped from out of top 40 2 weeks ago to 34th last week to 12th this week >FF16 fell from 16th 2 weeks ago to 30th last week to 34th this week
https://nintendoeverything.com/uk-software-sales-for-the-week-ending-august-5-2023/
>Forspoken literally outsold FF16 in the first week of August 2023
>cost 74m + ad tip >flops studio to death with it's mind >bonus dlc with sequel hook
Kek
9 months ago
Anonymous
Forspoken made its money back
ff16 didn't
lumipro were just put in cbu2 and are still using luminous engine and are stated by se to be doing aaa development of existing SE IP
SE just announced theyre doubling down on AAA development no more AA level stuff
cope
9 months ago
Anonymous
Actually no they didnt because ff16 still hasn't broke even yet because that didn't include marketing
they only arranged the books for its dev costs
literally the very same person you're clinging to to defend ff16
ff16 hasn't even profited
meanwhile forspoken broke even at launch
No it is a flop and its legs fell off a cliff
literally sold less than Forspoken in first week of august
https://nintendoeverything.com/uk-software-sales-for-the-week-ending-august-5-2023/
Post D.Mons and I'll change my negative review of FF15.
Yup. They haven't released shit worth playing since 12. Everyone that's been buying since then is coping and hoping but this company is dead and not coming back. Seriously, just stop buying this slop.
There are over 40 million PS5s sold now. This just seems like cope from Square-Enix. It's not the first time they've set impossibly high expectations for their games.
As much as I want to rag on FFXVI, failing to meet expectation probably has more to do with something frivolous, like having number larger than 3 in its title, than anything related to quality.
The main FF titles haven't been that good in the last TWO DECADES, and on top of that the series has been DILUTED by countless spinoffs and sequels that were even poorer, there's even some WiiWare slop with the Final Fantasy name on it. Instead of making FF VII Remake one huge thing, they're dragging it out with sequels. XV was hyped for years and years, and got BTFO by Conan kek.
Final Fantasy isn't such a prestigious name anymore, so I'd say XVI sold pretty well for a console exclusive.
>conan
you... you do realise that was a paid marketting spot... right? the whole bit is conan shits on the game because he's clueless... you do know that right?
This is the first ff since 9 I enjoyed. I think they went closer to snes era ff, so everyone who liked the new ones are pissed.
I tried x xiii and xv and couldnt get more than 10 mins in, just finished xvi
>0 rpg mechanics >No exploration >No party >No dungeons >ridiculous western anti-slavery story >snes era FF
lmao at the state of cultists trying to sell this kusoge
Few reasons from the top of my head >Medieval fantasy setting, FF12 and FF9 sits at eternal 6M sales range since forever despite being called le best games in the series, games like 13 and 15 outsold them due to their setting, FF players don't like fantasy FF games >Not an open world, everyone goes crazy over open world at this point but they decided to make it a linear game with level select >DMC combat filtering people
They should've made it >Open world >Sci-fi Fantasy setting >Soulslike or Batmanlike rather than DMClike
If they wanted to sell COD numbers.
>DMC combat filtering people
It's baby-tier and they even locked off the only normal difficulty to NG+, it's the lack of engaging combat that filters people
>It's baby-tier
Action games don't hold the average player's attention when they have more than 2 buttons to work with, best selling action games are glorified QTE simulators. XVI gives you a dodge, a jump, a launcher, charged attacks, charged spells etc. Look at the best selling action games of today >God of War
Removed jumping and nearly removed weapon switching. >Soulslikes
No jumping, even ER's jump isn't used for anything but jump R2s and occasional dodges, mostly a traversal mechanic. Weapon switching never mattered due to simplicity. >Bamham
Again, no jumping besides animations, there is a vault though which kinda acts like jump but no air combat. >DMC/Bayonetta etc.
Jump, enemy step, double jump, launchers. Jump works as a cancel, a dodge, mobility and sometimes even as a launcher. Air combat is important. >XVI
Same as DMC/Bayo besides launcher part which you have other options.
>linear with level select
to flat out say the game is open world would be more accurate than your interpretation. Just has gates at first. WoW is open world but a level 1 cant just fly in the outlands during BC
It's not open world though. You can't go accross Valisthea from one side of the map to the other with your chocobo.
>>God of War >Removed jumping and nearly removed weapon switching.
And yet still has a fair amount of actions despite being practically a movie series
You act like XVI's air combos are intense mental calculus like fricking competitive smash gameplay, but there's essentially nothing to it beyond just being able to mash in the air
You couldn't oversell this harder if you tried
I'm saying how they simplified it. Action games only sell if your characters' feet are glued to the ground because casual players don't want to think about 3D space. Does NuGoW even have airborne enemies? I can't remember a single one of them despite playing Ragnarok just last year.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I know it has bosses that move around above you and require you to hit them at range
Also, being able to hit enemies after a jump does not require three-dimensional thought
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Also, being able to hit enemies after a jump does not require three-dimensional thought
Nah, it's the exact reason why 3D fighters don't exist anymore besides anime fighters. There is only Tekken if you can call it 3D.
9 months ago
Anonymous
3D fighters don't exist anymore because sidestepping is clunky and feels wrong when the PoV is still no different from a 2D game, and no serious company wanted to experiment as far outside of the established genre bounds the way all the shitty licensed anime fighters did so we never got a really good one
9 months ago
Anonymous
>3D fighters don't exist anymore because sidestepping is clunky
Try Virtua Fighter to see if it's clunky. >and feels wrong when the PoV is still no different from a 2D game
Wrong.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You are delusional if you think that doesn't look like a 2D fighter with tacked on depth
9 months ago
Anonymous
Yet casuals can't play it. Sidestepping is a bit too much for people, instead they would work on for the dodge catching combos when they trip the opponent down. Which almost always works. Sidestepping makes it harder because usual combos don't work.
9 months ago
Anonymous
As a casual, I wouldn't play a "3D" fighting game but would play an actual 3D fighter
All it would take would be a competent company making a non-cash grab DBZ game or something to shift the landscape
Not that anon but I don't like the new God of War combat because the sliding around effect of attacking and any enemy's attack towards you makes positioning and trying to control a crowd almost completely pointless and it feels like shit because of it. Also the second game flat out dropped the ball on the story and characters hard enough that I couldn't finish it.
FFXVI is by no means a perfect game but I liked it's combat a bit more.
9 months ago
Anonymous
The argument is about complexity driving off audiences, which patently isn't true as FFVI isn't considerably more complex
9 months ago
Anonymous
I'll admit, I didn't really read the rest of of your guys replies to eachother.
9 months ago
Anonymous
no, no, stop, we have a status quo to uphold here. call the other poster a homosexual, insinuate hes wrong with some meaningless drivel and move on. we dont apologize here
>It's not open world though. You can't go accross Valisthea from one side of the map to the other with your chocobo.
The entire azeroth needs to be traversable on your mount then, which is impossible even today unless they got rid of the exhaust meter when you fly over the ocean. Toss ff16 the smallest bone to enhance your criticism
>linear with level select
to flat out say the game is open world would be more accurate than your interpretation. Just has gates at first. WoW is open world but a level 1 cant just fly in the outlands during BC
Square-Enix setting too high expectations again probably. Like the Tomb Raider reboot was deemed a failure to SE as it didn't sell 10 million copies.
Final Fantasy just isn't the juggernaut it once was.
said, but also
A.) stuck on the PS5, and despite being partly a movie game it doesn't appeal to the PS5's movie game crowd
B.) all the trailer moments and highlights of the game are the big boss fights, but once word of mouth spread that the majority of the game is boring ass trash mob fights with you spamming the same combo over and over and really pointlessly bland and awful sidequests designed to waste time, people immediately overlooked the game
3 million isn't terrible in sales for a video game, but for Square-Enix pushing a AAA title as a main franchise installment for Final Fantasy, 3 million might as well be a drop in the bucket that means nothing for them
>the majority of the game is boring ass trash mob fights with you spamming the same combo over and over and really pointlessly bland and awful sidequests designed to waste time
The sad truth. The game has its moments but the majority of the game are not those moments. Still a better than than FF13-15 though.
They didn't make THAT quality of a game and threw all their resources into the story which wasn't good enough to kick them above that number like Shadowbringers.
ps5 exclusivity is not enough. it's that simple. most ps5 gamers just run CoD, Fifa, rocket league and Fortnite. how many ps5's are out there? like 30 mil? so if only 10% of ps5 gamers love action jrpgs, then 3 million is your cap. they included the bundle's and shipped as the metric of success to keep hype up. the legs on 16 are non-existent, its over.
if this was on ps4, xbox and pc. it would have sold much better.
square enix wont admit their AAA final fantasy game failed, because its all they have now. 7 was a failure for a year until they got the "numbers" they wanted after giving the game away for free.
Would it have run on the PS4 though? And getting it on the Xbox means you've got to get it running on the Series S as well. And the Xbox audience aren't typically ones to go for RPGs.
I can see why they stuck to PS5 and PC (after the Sony exclusivity expires)
>another seethe about 16 thread
I guess Square Enix confirming it didn't flop really pissed off anons. I wonder how long people are going to be angry about this game for. Inb4 "making back it's money and selling within expectations still means it flopped"
I don't understand what people are expecting from starfield, its like kerbal 2 but without anything that makes it a real space game, so its just fallout 4 in space. which does not excite me, at all.
XVI CULTISTS OUR RESPONSE???? IF FORSPOKEN IS FLOPSPOKEN AND IT SOLD BETTER THAN FF16 IN THE FIRST WEEK OF AUGUST 2023 THEN DOES THAT MEAN FF16 IS FLOP FANTASY 16?????
dev costs doesn't include FF16 only, it's for all dev costs for the quarter, including from unannounced projects. FF16 went gold on march 31 2023. On top of that they've released far fewer games in 2023 compared to 2022. Yet game sales went up 14% or so. Not to mention all the money they got from sony. Anybody thinking FF16 flopped is moronic beyond belief
No they only activate dev costs in their financials the quarter something releases in
q1 fy 2024 is mostly ff16 costs causing the oi to fall
weak mobile and mmo performance too
You clearly dont
SE rearranged their books so costs of ff16 all get factored in at once in q1 fy 2024
it has not broke even yet
Dead Luminous lol
they are SE
9 months ago
Anonymous
>luminous merge with SE >sudden stock plummet
Think I found the problem guys
9 months ago
Anonymous
ff16 failure caused the stock to plummet yes we know
business division 2 made ffxv you moron
xv pc released march 2018
bd2 became luminous productions in april 2018
only anything after April 2018 is credited as by luminous productions which that ardyn dlc falls under because it was 2019
fricking moron
forspoken still hasn't sold even a million, and luminous is dead. FFXVI won barry
Forspoken lasted a month longer on npd best seller of 2023 than octopath 2 did and we know octopath 2 did 1m, ergo Forspoken did over 1m
ff16 flopped and tanked SE stocks
9 months ago
Anonymous
>SE paid off the entirety of FF16's development debt within 1 week of it coming out
Not only is this a ridiculous notion, but you literally have no proof of this either
9 months ago
Anonymous
Actually no they didnt because ff16 still hasn't broke even yet because that didn't include marketing
they only arranged the books for its dev costs
literally the very same person you're clinging to to defend ff16
ff16 hasn't even profited
meanwhile forspoken broke even at launch
9 months ago
Anonymous
>FF16 met expectations but not high end expectations >Forspoken sales were outright called "disappointing" >somehow in Barry's head this means Forspoken broke even but FF16 didn't
9 months ago
Anonymous
FF16 flopped and were disappointing because it did now grow the franchise it literally shrunk it
9 months ago
Anonymous
ff16 met expectations as an exclusive, the franchise was shrunk by ff15 being such a shit game despite the sales (evidenced by the inferior metacritic score)
9 months ago
Anonymous
No it didnt it underperformed
XV literally grew the franchise by having the highest launch sales in the franchise and strongest post launch sales legs in the franchise still to this day
ff16 has harmed the franchise and has the weakest post launch legs in the franchise and lowest launch sales in the last 30 years
9 months ago
Anonymous
Why are haters always such an npc they just keep saying same insults and stuff over and over again. Also this is Ganker why would you discuss game's here.
Half the anons in these threads are just shitposting for fun and don't care if the game does well or not, and the other half is too stubborn about what they already believe, so a report saying that the game succeeded or failed won't change their minds. Because of that, there really isn't a reason for them to actually read the reports, they just get the bullet points from journalists or anons who actually read them. This happens in every thread that talks about a game's sales though, it's not just a final fantasy thing.
these threads aren't actually about videogames, they're excuses to bait our favorite FFXV lolcow into making a fool of himself
did XVI really flop? who gives a shit lmao
forspoken still hasn't sold even a million, and luminous is dead. FFXVI won barry
>xvi-kun posting shoops and lies
XVI and XIV are the troony "games" by dead studio
cbu2 is still using luminous
cope
9 months ago
Anonymous
oof
9 months ago
Anonymous
so ff16 shiva is trans? yikes
>um akchually he just made fun of the game objectively being trash on purpose, and got paid for it!
>made jokes because its ok to laugh at something you like
damn ff16 flopped hard
even with conans vid xv outsold ff16 literally fricking everywhere
9 months ago
Anonymous
Thats the indu shiva moron. Its a female sounding name and her being female works well with the dynamic with ifrit in most og games so its a good change from the apu mythology
>did not meet their expectations
They’ve releases this statement for every game they’ve released in the past 15 years. Maybe they should get their head out of their ass and realize their moronic expectations will never be met.
No
SE said tomb raider 2013 exceeded expectations once it hit 6m
SE also said octopath 1, ffxv, nier automata, trials of mana, Bravely Default 1 exceeded sales expectations
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Post D.Mons and I'll change my negative review of FF15.
It met expectations and no amount of coping will change this reality, unlike flopspoken straight up called a flop by square >nintendoeverything >uk sales
lol
ff16 discord cultists are seething again because ff16 flopped and didn't exceed expectations which is the expected thing for actual growth
their plan for 16 was growth
they did not get that
doing the bare minimal to get by is not a good result for 16 no matter what
it is a s
disappointing result hence investors not being happy and analysts saying its not good, hence the stock drop
>Square Enix Drops After ‘Final Fantasy’ and Mobile Setback >Company’s dour earnings report showed 79% profit drop >August 7, 2023 at 1:05 AM UTC
>Square Enix Holdings Co. shares suffered their worst intraday drop in almost three years, erasing a little over a year’s worth of gains, after the company reported a 79% decline in operating profit. >Hopes that Final Fantasy XVI would boost sales were dashed by the company’s downbeat earnings report Friday, driving the stock down as much as 15% in Tokyo on Monday. Shares were trading at around ¥5,620 at midday, their lowest since May of last year. Both the Topix Index and MSCI AC Asia Pacific Index were up around 0.3%. >Sales of the latest installment of the long-running role-playing title did not meet the high end of the company’s expectations, Square Enix President Takashi Kiryu told analysts on a post-earnings call Friday, according to three people who attended. >Slow adoption of Sony Group Corp.’s PlayStation 5 was a limiting factor, Kiryu reportedly said. Now that hardware supply constraints have dissipated, Square Enix plans to take steps to boost sales as more people use the PS5, he said. A Square Enix spokesperson declined to comment.
>“The Final Fantasy franchise’s profitability is weakening and improvements will take time,” Citigroup analyst Junko Yamamura said in a note to investors. >“All sub-segments within Games were lower than expected,” Jefferies analyst Atul Goyal wrote in an investor note. He has a hold rating on the stock.
>their plan for 16 was growth
if that's true, they're idiots, because the best they could've had given their recent track record and platform decisions is not losing a ton of sales, which they did get away with
>live in UK >Forspoken is £30 new on Amazon right now, over half the RRP >or I could buy it preowned for £22 on ebay and that way I'd be giving my money to some rando rather than supporting SE
worth the cop or will I wait for it to go down to a tenner?
>Sales of the latest installment of the long-running role-playing title did not meet the high end of the company’s expectations, Square Enix President Takashi Kiryu told analysts on a post-earnings call Friday >“The Final Fantasy franchise’s profitability is weakening and improvements will take time,” Citigroup analyst Junko Yamamura said in a note to investors. >“All sub-segments within Games were lower than expected,” Jefferies analyst Atul Goyal wrote in an investor note. He has a hold rating on the stock. “Mobile 1Q revenue (-18% YoY) is a major reason why we have not rated Square Enix as Buy, given the saturation in Japan market and increased competition from the likes of NetEase in Japan.” >Toyo Securities analyst Hideki Yasuda said "This is a very poor result, and it will be impossible to increase sales further unless the price is significantly lowered. Most of the failure is a result of the pre-publicity and the actual game itself being too far removed from the Final Fantasy of the past, leaving consumers behind."
Most of the analysts that attended SE's investor meeting, including TOYO Financial Group, Jefferies Group Investment banking and Citigroup Inc. Investment banking were saying that SE is underperforming and not to buy SE stock.
Wut? I didn't know that all these companies have been infiltrated by Barry (singular)
>“The Final Fantasy franchise’s profitability is weakening and improvements will take time,”
Franchise in perpetual crisis where the next entry will be the one(tm) to restore its former glory! How many years have they been saying this? There is no next for FF, everyone walked out of this shit franchise after XIII and XV. XVI was the final kick it needed to disappear from the gaming landscape.
>This is a very poor result, and it will be impossible to increase sales further unless the price is significantly lowered. Most of the failure is a result of the pre-publicity and the actual game itself being too far removed from the Final Fantasy of the past, leaving consumers behind
When can we expect this to go on sale? Black Friday?
It is literally a group of ff16 discord cultists who always come to these threads to damage control ff16s failure and always sperg about forspoopin even though nobody was even talking about that
>ff16 discord cultist >not the insane abbo wienersucker that's been shitting everything up since post-XV release, shat on anything non-XV releated, the constant setting up fanbase wars between each other.
I haven't played either game, but you guys have gotta be shitting me if you're gonna make me believe that forspoken outselling FFXVI
From what I've seen, the former is a cringe piece of shit.
I'd say XVI's biggest problem was that they hired a billion streamers play it for free, meaning everyone who bothers to watch gameplay before buying a game has seen most of the story.
In fact, the gameplay looks like neutered DmC gameplay, and the game itself seems to be more carried by the story and epic cinematics.
But as much as I have seen from it, the story itself stopped being interesting about half way in.
I'll give them props for finally making a protagonist that doesn't look like they take it up the ass
So, what exactly were their high expectations? Because 3m in less than a week for a ps5 only game with 40m consoles on the market are insane numbers. You have to go to Sony's top selling like GOW or TLOU or Nintendo's top selling games to see exclusive games perform better, specially with that market size.
Should have sold it in more systems then.
>3m in less than a week for a ps5 only game with 40m consoles on the market are insane numbers
Front-loaded slop sells 3 million copies thanks to various initiatives, but then bad word of mouth kills it.
That's irrelevant for the report because the quarter covers until June 30, so Square is talking exclusively about the first 9 days of sales, which should be around the 3.5-4m
ff16 is 3m even after a month
it has not sold 3m
it combined digital sales plus physical shipment is 3m, so 1.5m digitally sold and 1.5m shipped, so really only sold 2.Xm~, with the remaining X being the remaining shipment that wasn't sold
they aren't going to send out more shipment until that remaining shipment sells out
FF16 has extremely weak legs so it could take months before it finally actual hits 3m sold through
That's just your cope barry.
Most of sales are digital only nowadays, hard to not sell your shipment when you have so little of it, and the game was sold out everywhere the first days.
The game sold it's initial shipment fast and without problems.
you're the one coping
ff16 already counts digital you tard
it flopped
it literally never sold out anywhere
it has no legs and stock is lying on shelves
hfr flopped and never ranked once in npd
Forspoken was in top 20 of 2023 top selling games for 5 months straight
only the STEAM version of hfr outsold the STEAM version of hfr
Guess what? Forspoken sold more in its 1st month on steam than ff7r sold in its 1st month on steam
>Guess what? Forspoken sold more in its 1st month on steam than ff7r sold in its 1st month on steam
Woah! A game that launched on PC day one did better than a game that was on PS4, PS5 and EGS before it hit Steam? No way! How are things looking now? >Recent reviews: 677 vs 127 >All reviews: 14,880 vs 3957
Oh...
Forspoken sold more on ps5 in japan at launch than ff7ri sold on ps5 in japan at launch
ff7r has been out over a year on steam moron
no shit it has more reviews total
I'm talking time aligned
>time aligned >FF7R has 1460 recent reviews 6 months after launch >Forpsoken has 127 recent reviews 6 months after launch
Congrats, you just made Forspoken look even worse pointing that out.
2nd half of the game was disappointing but people have such hate boners. I'll waste all day on this website but I dont have the autism in me to hate or defend a game so relentlessly. People are weird.
>I dont have the autism in me to hate or defend a game so relentlessly
It blurs the line between "trolling" and genuine autism, this is such a waste of time and energy.
Wouldn't have been a flop if it was just released on all platforms at the same time. This "timed exclusive" bullshit is so fricking stupid. Same shit happens with Epic and games on Steam where the steam version literally sells like 90% better.
16 should have just released on all platforms at the same time, simple as.
every dev is called baldurs gate 3 development an anomaly that isn't the norm
the CRPG audience has little overlap with the action RPG genre that FF is going for. the comparison between both games are fricking moronic
No, that can't possibly be true
The shitposters assure me that success can only be based on game quality
The masses clearly must just be hungry for shitty isometric crpgs with gay bestiality
Swen respects and appreciates fans feedback and tries his best to learn from them and make the game even better, while Yoshida openly scorns and belittles fans feedback.
I mean, heading an MMO where the official forums are filled to the brim with moronic people whining about everything from the smallest tweaks to lalafell high chairs would make anyone bitter. I don't like how he handles things, but he seems to have put up a cheeky "I do what I want to do" sarcasm with shit and doesn't seem to get that it pisses people off more.
Not surprising, that sort of smugness in marketing materials isn't uncommon in the west. The smarmy-ass "did we though?" is actually just "speaking of which..."
don't care, i'm never playing Divinity OS3: bear sex edition
Swen respects and appreciates fans feedback and tries his best to learn from them and make the game even better, while Yoshida openly scorns and belittles fans feedback.
>and appreciates fans feedback
unless it's BG2 boomer feedback, then they can get fricked lmao
>XVI chases that action-packed theme and turns away from its traditional turn-based element for FF. >BG3, a turn-based game sells easily with little PR on PS5.
The SE homosexuals are completely out of touch with reality. They're right now doubling down on it with a bigger title and still an action-packed theme for the next FF installment.
I still have to wonder how many of those 40 million sales of PS5 consoles is actual consumer sales and not just the metric stockpiles of scalped systems. I remember a year after the PS5 released, Insomniac was complaining about how the player count was absurdly low for Miles.
No one plays Virtua Fighter because Sega is moronic with where and how it releases, gives it no advertising, and tries to keep it so pure to its arcade origin format that there's absolutely nothing but the core gameplay of fights with a small but modest cast expansion in nearly 30 years. That shit appeals strictly to niche audiences already familiar with VF. You want to know why normies go to Tekken? Because it has advertising power and at least appeals to a broader audience. Maybe being complex 3D fighter shit has something to do with it never catching on, but I doubt that's the core cause, because it's just hard to approach fighting games for many people in general.
FFXVI is hardly "too complex", it's so fricking automated and even has the Story difficulty for making it even moreso. You button mash shit and press the button to dodge, and occasionally hit the cooldown abilities. It's more complex than XV, but people generally fricking hated that combat system and it was even more automated. Maybe it's just straight up "Final Fantasy fans don't want action gameplay" and the DMC-lite action attracts a very different crowd and appeal from the norm for the series.
>Poor word of mouth
They pissed off the game journo class by not including black people in their slavery game, that's enough to kill any public momentum it could've had
Get used to it. This is part of a broader trend of Westernization in Japanese games that will make their industry gradually as bad as the American one. Copying 80s America may have been a recipe for success, but copying contemporary America is just a sick joke.
Sony is fricking moronic and needs to abandon this exclusive bullshit. Even if its a timed exclusive. Im honestly shocked how they can still pull this off in late stage capitalism where every nickel and dime needs to be squeezed.
Its either that or the devs are so incompetent they cant build things for multiple hardware architecture
Dude, see Four Heroes of Light for the DS? Just make that game but for this gen consoles and PC. Hell, I dont mind it being PS5 exclusive. Just show us you can make a classic FF but good, it's all I ask.
Well pretty much because they are blind to the many faults those games have. They love pretending to be part of something and pretending playing their particular game gives them a personality.
Yeah... I'm not sure what you define as arguing in bad faith when every point that is being argued is just met with something about barry. Stay subhuman yoshitpiss sister.
>40 million ps5 >shipped 3 millions
So that's the power of yoshit piss?
And the troons want us to believe that millions of people are playing ff14 when it's dead on steam, twitch, youtube?
>Franchise known for turnbased combat >Nah lets ditch turnbased combat >Franchise known amazing fantasy worlds >Nah lets have a generic cumskin eurotrash story >Formula of success is defined by FFX from the opinion of Japanese fans >Nah lets go completly against FFX's ideas
>Repeat the same frick ups with 13, 15 and 16 >hurrrr why is our series completly bombing game after game. Surely throwing away everything that made the series god-tier and trying to cater to mental midgets can't be the reason, right?
Man, a new Final Fantasy used to be a massive event in gaming, hell their used to be celebrations in Japan over the release of a new title. After X nothing has been the same (12 and 14 were decent standouts).
the same frick ups with 13
13 is just 10 with a different story. Fgays don't play their games for gameplay. Therefore all the criticism about gameplay coming from FFans should be ignored.
not them but the reason I like 13 is because I play FF for the gameplay and didn't get filtered by the tutorial section everyone calls the corridors, in the first game of three in the trilogy.
>Turn based gameplay, 13 is even better in fact because pressing attack over and over again isn't the best option >Linear corridor maps >Similar setting >Story is different >Every FF fan hates it
Lol.
13 is the antithesis of atb and is practically a rhythm game while 10 is one of the only actual turn based games in the franchise, they literally do not play anything alike
13 also has basically no side content or puzzles, nothing but cutscenes and far more shallow combat where you literally just swap between automated safe strategies and press x until you stagger
13 is just 6 second interval turns. they didn't get it to real time until LR, which they had been trying to do since the game the bouncer came out.
then dark souls and game of thrones happened and now you have final fantasy XVI.
Why do ameritards continue to spread this stupidity?
13 has a shittier story, characters, locations, cohesiveness, combat system (no, they are not the same just because they are both called 'ATB' doesn't make them the same), leveling system. The are only identical in terms of linearity. Linearity is not a bad thing so long its for moving the story forward. This is a concept constantly lost on mental midgets. No one in Japan sees X and XIII as the same.
>Why do ameritards continue to spread this stupidity?
I'm not american. >13 has a shittier story, characters, locations, cohesiveness
All related to story >combat system (no, they are not the same just because they are both called 'ATB' doesn't make them the same)
10 isn't even ATB dumbfrick. >leveling system
Literally exactly same. Sphere grid is same thing as crystarium.
13 is the antithesis of atb and is practically a rhythm game while 10 is one of the only actual turn based games in the franchise, they literally do not play anything alike
13 also has basically no side content or puzzles, nothing but cutscenes and far more shallow combat where you literally just swap between automated safe strategies and press x until you stagger
In 10 all I do is press X, in 13 at least I change paradigms once in a while. Fgays shouldn't pretend to care about the gameplay of their games because you guys clearly don't.
Jesus christ why do all the Final Fantasy shitposters not even play any of the Final Fantasy games. At least PLAY the games first before you try to shitpost about them so you don't come across as completely moronic almost immediately.
I agree with everything besides the combat system. 13's combat was legit fun and challenging, but was drowned by the most annoying story and characters I've ever seen, and horrendous pacing.
I honestly think they did great with 10, 12 and 13's combat.
>known for turn based combat >last game wasn't turn based >last two spinoffs weren't turn based >last turn based game in the mainline was basically an autobattler that most people fricking hated and was released 14 years ago >last turn based single player game before that came out almost 8 years prior
Is FF known more for turn based or for failure?
because if anons are right, this shit is basically high resolution models and assets put on top of XIV's engine and reworked. and XIV already looked rough without direct light sources taking up a scene
bit of an exaggeration, its a good game. but I don't have a ps5.
also understand peoples complaints that its not really final fantasy anymore, its just game of thrones with chocobos.
its still nowhere near as "bad" as spirits within in the context of "what the frick is this lol", it IS a good game from what i've seen.
just not by mainline FF standards which have frankly been going downhill for a while, the last one I truly enjoyed was 13 trilogy (yes unironically)
What gets me the most is how we're supposed to all pretend that the PS5 is a WiiU tier hardware flop and nod along when they act like 3 million on an install base of ~40 million is some kind of spectacular odds-defying achievement that no other game could ever dare to dream of (just don't look at those previous Final Fantasy games please). And if that IS supposed to be the case, then that means Square Enix has inadvertently confirmed a dirty little secret about the PS5 that people have speculated about for a long time, that its actual playerbase numbers well below its installbase.
The market these days is different to the Wii U days with the abundance of F2P and GAAS type games. This means people don't need to buy new games when they can keep playing their free to play games.
I’m playing through the game right now and having quite a bit of fun. Why is this game so controversial on Ganker to the point where there’s 5 or 6 threads like this per day?
It’s definitely not a perfect game but it’s a step up from XV and VII Remake in my opinion, at least in terms of combat.
its not controversial, there are no other good games out except bg3 and ffxvi, and elden ring dlc is coming like the dragons were in game of thrones for about 4 seasons...
I haven't played a pikmin game since I physically borrowed a gamecube when gamecube was current and I don't plan on playing another pikmin game.
When I see at least five threads in the catalog talking about how YoshiP should off himself because of this game, I get the sense that the game is stirring the pot with some people here.
It’s been like this since before the game even released.
yoshiP poster is an autist like barneygay or barry or caramel.
When I see at least five threads in the catalog talking about how YoshiP should off himself because of this game, I get the sense that the game is stirring the pot with some people here.
It’s been like this since before the game even released.
Its an autistic
Also they already said this was an experiment just because they misread some young people saying they want action games
Next games will be turn based or something like ff7r I guess
I really love Final Fantasy XVI. My biggest complaints are lack of a party, and that the combat system is a lesser one, in my view, than FF7R's combat system, which was godlike. More minor complaints are directed at Jill (a little passive, jobs too much; wanted to see more of her, and she should have gone full wife after timeskip, taking on the smaller duties of the hideaway, becoming someone everyone turns to and looks up to), and lack of fun, interesting locations to explore; there's no hidden things like VIII's Tomb of the Unknown King or Research Station.
But on the whole, I love the game. Final Fantasy hasn't been good since X, and that was over 20 years ago. Twenty fricking years without a good Final Fantasy game. FFXVI is a good game, and its story is shot through with light. It's great.
I accept your criticisms of XVI, but ONLY because you begin and finish with making it clear that it's great and you love it. Bonus points for calling FF7Rs combat godlike too.
>Bonus points for calling FF7Rs combat godlike too.
My biggest complaint about 7R is that it's not repeating (yes I mean that to sound dull) the same story as the first, but holy fricking shit the combat in the game is so good. I lost all my gaming save data when I transferred from PS4 to PS5, but I was in the middle of a Hard playthrough of 7R and it was fun as hell. The materia system was genius. I still don't know XVI's system well enough to just shitwreck, so maybe it's id10t error, but 7R was fun I'd hoped it'd be the new standard. It's the perfect combination of turn-based and action.
yeah but 1) not coming out till sometime next year, probably the summer or fall, and 2) there will be even more divergences from the original story, not less. If you think Aeris is getting killed, think again.
>1) not coming out till sometime next year, probably the summer or fall,
You people are so fricking dumb. I swear to God, Covid made you morons even dumber. Do you know what the frick Google is and how to use it?
9 months ago
Anonymous
“Early 2024” can mean anything from January to May
9 months ago
Anonymous
Take the L. You're a moron just like anyone else who criticizes 7R
9 months ago
Anonymous
Is May in the Fall?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>what are delays
I'd be happy if it were actually early 24 - say January 15, 2024. But I don't think I'll be so lucky.
9 months ago
Anonymous
So, you're telling me Rebirth will get delayed into Summer or Fall 2024.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Wouldn't be surprised if that were the case. Hoping for January '24 though
9 months ago
Anonymous
But you said the game would release in Summer or Fall 2024 knowing that the announced release window is Early 2024. So, you're sure it will get delayed. How do you know it will get delayed for sure?
9 months ago
Anonymous
Man you are such a fricking loser it's unreal
9 months ago
Anonymous
Thanks, bro. But I'm still wondering how you knew the delay was happening.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Extremely mild pessimism detected. Time to dig my heels in and question, question, question with as much pedantry as possible until they regret it. This is important. I love my life.
kek
9 months ago
Anonymous
He's got a point.
9 months ago
Anonymous
are you pretending to be autistic on purpose or is this your true form? I'll lay this out one more time >FF7Remake releases April 2020 >three fricking years go by with nothing more than "two more weeks" baiting from SE >finally "early 2024" given as release window >already halfway through Q3 2023 and no fricking release date
Can I be forgiven for not really expecting Rebirth to drop early in Q1 2024 at this rate? I said "probably" it will come out in Q3 or 4. No, my uncle does not work at SE and he did not tell me this.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You missed the part where they said it would release next winter in 2022. And it is weird to me you expect a very specific 6-9 month delay.
https://gameranx.com/updates/id/413866/article/final-fantasy-vii-rebirth-release-confirmed-for-next-winter/
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Unveil the remake in 2015 >game doesn't come out until 2020 >In Fall 2022 say release window is next winter >late December-February 2024 >fall 2022
You will forgive me if I don't take this statement as absolute gospel, anon
9 months ago
Anonymous
Your forgiven. But what made you think the game would get 6-9 month delay into Summer or Fall 2024? Also, they said it was a next winter release window in summer 2022.
https://www.dexerto.com/gaming/final-fantasy-vii-rebirth-announced-with-winter-2023-release-date-1849765/
anon, my criticism of 7R's story was not that they didn't complete a remake in one game, it's that the section they DID do (Midgard) had multiple and major divergences from the original, and that these will almost certainly proliferate in the second and third games.
the combat mechanics were good but leviathan wasn't even water element. no matter all the improvements remakes always end up seeming like a cop out over the OGs. which is sad because I think the VAs and models and everything in remake are 11/10
I hated the game, this coming from someone who enjoyed ff 10-15 despite the flaws, something is just off about the game and it was mediocre and depressing, i instantly felt that from the announcement trailer btw, the game just feels rushed and uninspired
That was mostly because of mobile games. I'm not saying 16 sold particulary well but SE is mostly a mobile games company and they're beginning to lose there too
>FF XIV 1.0 >Yoshi-P
barry you're out of roots to grab onto
Yes he was
for 2 years prior to ARR he was doing ff14
the userscore reflects that
>that type 0 cope
4 reviews
2 playstation reviews
Goddamn Famitsu score when garbage like 13-2 managed to get 40/40
It never got reviewed by western reviewers on psp because it wasn't released outside Japan moron
the only reviews outside Japan were from importers one of whom literally ran a website called nova crystallis
>cultists seething and lying to try to sell their trash game >game is permastuck at 3 million >pc release will get it maybe 500k more if they're lucky
KEK
Extremely mild pessimism detected. Time to dig my heels in and question, question, question with as much pedantry as possible until they regret it. This is important. I love my life.
>so who the FRICK were the people saying it did well for weeks?
Shills.
When you see homosexuals hyping the number of sales/players of a game it's always shills who are trying to use herd mentality and FOMO on potential customers.
>FF16 sold roughly 3m as a single console game >7R sold roughly 3.5m in comparison as a multiplat >They wanted more but understand that its due to being locked on the PS5 among other factors >The game has already broken even so any further sales are profits >The primary source of SE's drop in profits has to do with a MASSIVE increase in operating income because their actual revenue is higher than last quarter
Did I miss anything?
correct except 7R launching as a multiplat, it was ps4 only, but still, 3.5m on a 100+ million ps4s install base when you're one of the most wanted remake since the mid 2000s seems pretty weak to me
>FF7R sells 3.5 million around launch, clearly did well enough for them to decide to go ahead with 2 sequels when they had the chance to cram it into 1 if they really wanted to wrap things up >FF16 sells 3 million around launch, doomposters claim the game bombed even though the budgets for each probably aren't too far off from one another
>though the budgets for each probably aren't too far off from one another
Judging by the massive difference in operating income in the quarters the games launched, nah.
Operating income is down because they were paying back some sort of development debt over that quarter
It's up in the air what that development debt was for, but FF16 was only out for a single week before that quarter wrapped up and I have my doubts they would need to move large amounts of money to pay back the debt for that game 8 days after release
what's funnier is if we want to compare raw hypothetical revenue, 3.5m x $60 = 210m/3m x $70 = 210m. Both game had around the same performance overall, and one has FF7 in its title kek
I knew it was a flop when the shills were bragging about the supposedly "huge" sales (often while posting pic related), the game has also pretty much zero presence online, zero fanart, zero memes, zero discussion, almost no gameplay webms posted.
Yoshi P wanted the pozzed western audience instead of the usual jarpig audience and he got none.
>Yoshi P wanted the pozzed western audience
Funny since it's weebshit. And I'm glad that the western audience doesn't give a frick about weebshit anymore.
>FF16 sold roughly 3m as a single console game >7R sold roughly 3.5m in comparison as a multiplat >They wanted more but understand that its due to being locked on the PS5 among other factors >The game has already broken even so any further sales are profits >The primary source of SE's drop in profits has to do with a MASSIVE increase in operating income because their actual revenue is higher than last quarter
Did I miss anything?
>launched on a console horded by scalpers >launched on a console that abandoned all support for JP games >launched on a console primarily owned by people who only purchase the annual CoD and FIFA releases >all while CBU3 has a dedicated fanbase from a game where the overwhelming majority of players are on PC
Who could've seen this coming?
it is amazing how mad people are over ff16. it is godtier and something yoshida probably hoped for. this game will never leave the mind of Gankerners or gamers.
Here it's not so obvious, but in boards where people are forced to have accounts it's very obvious that most people hating this game are tendies and boxers, paint me surprised.
I think it's kind of sad to see that many people in video games boards that don't actually love video games and act like hooligans.
>3 million >on an install base of less than 40 million
What kind of an attachment rate were they expecting for a JP game on a normie platform like PS5?
that's hyenas
The what?
All DoA ESG slop.
uhhh was it the
>join the ACK
thing?
I honestly forgot that game was a thing, I saw a trailer a few months ago and thought. "That smells like failure"
It'll get ported to ps4 or pc and have it's day again.
only time will tell, but I agree with this. I have a sneaking suspicion any PC port will run like dog shit though
the frick is this game's engine, even
XIV butchered into an action game? Unreal Engine? some other Square in-house garbage?
XIV engine butchered into an action game yes
MMO devs = MMO quality
MMO engine is a beta version of Luminous Engine Barry... Without the unnecessary crap.
Its actually not.
The XIV engine is a separate engine made with some help from the luminous team (who themselves were still also a totally separate and different team from tabata's)
>The XIV engine is a separate engine made with some help from the luminous team
It seems Luminous to me. At least the cutscenes. Luminous' deal was giving CGI quality cutscenes with rendering. That's why XVI is 80 gb and one bluray, in comparison 7R-2 is going to be 150 gb and two blurays.
But ff14 is super popular and loved, tendie
agreed, it needs to flop on an other platform as well
Or Xbox
They should abandon Sony. It's a dead company now.
Its over
>2 million FFXIV trannies on PC who would buy FFXVI blind just because it's the same team
>"nah mate make it PlayStation exclusive"
moronic
dunno about that steamspy says 200000 to 500000 bought 7 remake
not a yoship game
Thankfully.
>first was a ps4 exclusive
>then released on ps5
>then EGS
>then finally on Steam
Every single suit involved in this decision making process deserves to have their legs broken
Rebirth would've peaked 150k - 250k on PC if it was day 1.
>game everyone knew was bullshit still sold 500k on pc
>steamspy
thank you, matsuda
the PS5 is genuinely a VITA tier catastophre in the making due to the lack of software sales
homosexual enabling*
How is that a bad thing again? Maybe when they're on the verge of collapsing they'll turn again to gamers and make games catering to them and not the twitter trannies. I mean, how long can snoy just tank it in? Are ESG scores really worth it?
The worst part is that this isn't Sony's fault this time. Covid, crypto, tech shortages, global recessions, Black folk rioting over literally any little excuse, and many more things all came in at the same time and absolutely fricked up the PS5 for three years, which for some consoles is half their active lifecycle.
Switch wasn't affected because it used old ass parts that Nintendo already stocked gorillions of, and it was already out for a few years anyways.
Xbox was affected like the PS5 but Microwiener had already launched their gay pass initiative and pretty much didn't give a shit if the Xbox console line was successful or not due to their focus on the subs.
PC had the gpu crisis but the only real thing that did was get people to stick with their already built PCs for a few years longer and not play in 4K ultra max.
Keep in mind that nobody knew 2020-2022 was going to be that shitty to begin with, all of them happened to already have branched out from beyond the traditional console model to keep operating, except Sony.
>"it's not sony's fault, despite every other constructor in the world pulling off record profits thanks to covid"
Sony is just shit at managing logistics, no need to look for any other reason
>it's not because there's no games, it's Black folk and covid
>The worst part is that this isn't Sony's fault
They failed to maintain any flagship franchises or put any decent games at all on their console. Releasing a Smash Bros clone again at this point would be a stupid joke because no one would care about the characters anymore.
>The worst part is that this isn't Sony's fault this time
>this isn't Sony's fault
It is purely Sony's fault.
>No games
>Overpriced
>Again no games
And now that it has been out already for so many years I ain't buying one before they release some pro version of the system.
40 million consoles sold. There's a market there, it's just that Final Fantasy isn't that popular any more. It would sell even less on Xbox.
Not even flop of the year lmao
which is...
Starfield
>flopspoken is already forgotten about
did you forget that Forspoken was actually a game they put a lot of marketing money and expectations behind and it sold so horrifically that it scuttled the entire development studio less than a month later, all the hanger-ons of FFXV's development gone with the wind
TLOTR: Gollum
Forskin
TotK
Maybe they should have made it multiplatform from day one and sell it at 60 bucks instead of 70 like we did right now. But no, let's be greedy and fall for Sony's exclusivity money. This proved that SE top management is made up entirely of morons.
It should've been released on the PS4 alongside, nothing screams "PS5 quality" in XVI, then again knowing Yoshida's development style, I'm not surprised
Bro are you sure? I don't even like FFXVI but that shit wouldn't work on 'S4 lemme tell you that much.
>When you are too stupid to read 'high' expectations
It didn't flop, but it failed to meet the expectations of management, which is just as catastrophic
it sold within expectations though
>it sold within expectations though
No it didn’t.
That's what you get for making it a PS5 exclusive.
>blames slow adoption of PS5
these executives are really that moronic?
they can't see the problem lies in the game itself?
the PS5 player base being extremely low compared to other platforms, chiefly PC
the game is absolute trash, i bought a PS5 for the game
i dont use the ps5 at all now
the problem is the game is trash, not the ps5
>muh playerbase
It has an install base of 50 fricking million what on earth is this cope?
The Wii U, a console with an extremely small install base of 12 million had a very high attach rate
Square Enix won't admit that most Final Fantasy fans don't care about PS5 and that FF16 failed to resonate with Sony Naughty Dog ESG slop consumers after they sacrificed it to make it more in line with other Sony movie game slop.
That's an unfair comparison, even the shitty pii u had a wide abundance of nintendo games and its long been proven that tendies buy first party nintendo games by the truckload.
>Console that sold 12 million units had better software attachment rates than the brand new console that has sold over 2 times as many units
>"THAT'S AN UNFAIIIIIIIRRRR COMPARISON"
attach rate is copium used to damage control low sales
Great thing that the PS5 has sold less software than the Wii U has, even after accounting for digital sales
no one bought a PS5 expecting japanese games
steam has 30 million concurrents every single day
Andoid has more.
#
The problem is that the vast majority of PS5's that have been sold since launch are either sitting in a scalper's basement (where they're now desperately trying to get rid of them at a discount) or normalgay lamers who will literally not play anything on the console besides FIFA, Madden, or CoD.
Very few people that enjoy traditional vidya own or have any interest in buying a PS5 and Sony's marketing hype is quickly drying up because of lackluster software quality (oh great another fricking remaster of a game that's less than ten years old! Totally worth 400 bucks in this Godawful economy!).
Also doesn't help in FFXVI's case that it has little appeal to the core Japanese fanbase with its gritty tone and art style.
>Flop
>Square enix directly said they made back all their money and all sales future sales are profits.
>made back all their money
>-80% profits
Interesting cope.
>xvi cultists still coping
they did not say ff16 has broke even yet
gibson deleted that tweet you moron
Just like anti-FF16 threads are being deleted here? How much money is that shitty company gonna throw at Musk and Hiro to save face before they finally go bankrupt?
Gibson is trying to act like 16 did well
it didn't
>twitch views
yeah ff16 died
nobody cares about it
no it did not exceed expectations therefore its a flop
it met expectations therefore it is by definition not a flop
No ff16 didn't exceed expectations and investors see it as a flop hence the stock drop
so what you mean is it met expectations, making it not a flop by default
No it is a flop and its legs fell off a cliff
literally sold less than Forspoken in first week of august
https://nintendoeverything.com/uk-software-sales-for-the-week-ending-august-5-2023/
It met expectations and no amount of coping will change this reality, unlike flopspoken straight up called a flop by square
>nintendoeverything
>uk sales
lol
>literally sold less than Forspoken in first week of august
whats that got to do with their expectations
Twitch views are the only metric they have. Even though it means nothing because some streamer with a billion regular viewers can stream a litteral who $5 meme game and have it overtake several huge franchises for a couple of hours. Doesn't mean that game is selling gangbusters.
>Even though it means nothing
It kinda does: Big streamers who continuously stream games nobody gives a frick about will eventually lose their viewers.
They became big because they were streaming on popular games in the first place.
It will continue to sell, right, sisters?
Dunno, do you think being only 4 spaces above forspoken in the last week of July 2023 is good?
What the frick happened in the last week of July that caused the list to be populated with a gorillion Mario games?
Movie move was on Bluray and on streaming services.
If you look at the past titles perforance, Final Fantasy sales are extremely front-loaded. FF16 capped out at 3 milllion copies. PC port isn't gonna do shit for it, but Yoshida can cope all he wants that his flop will have legs, lol.
LMAO.
homosexual fantasy 16 was in the 16th place there too?
You can't make this shit up.
>doing worse than sonic origin
wow that bad huh
No.
Movie games are frontloaded as hell, and Sony movie games only sell in the long run because they are bundled with their console and Square was dumb enough to make a movie game instead of a pure RPG.
>Already unironically deboonked
That Bloomberg homosexual keeps humiliating himself
That's what happens when you make a PS5 exclusive game. Even Sony themselves realize how moronic that is and has been making all of their games go to PS4 and even PC. Too bad Square trusted Sony only to be dropped hard by them this way, I guess whatever money Sony paid them for exclusivity wasn't even enough to cover their asses.
BARRY WON
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He has been redeemed
Should have made a better game. I beat it, and it's the most painfully forgettable FF game I've played. I'm not counting spin-offs because those are all shit by default.
BARRY DON'T LOOK
XVI CULTIST DONT LOOK
>Forspoken jumped from out of top 40 2 weeks ago to 34th last week to 12th this week
>FF16 fell from 16th 2 weeks ago to 30th last week to 34th this week
https://nintendoeverything.com/uk-software-sales-for-the-week-ending-august-5-2023/
>Forspoken literally outsold FF16 in the first week of August 2023
OH NO NO NO AHAHAHAHAHAHA
damn, maybe forspoken is now at 100k copies sold
left is EU overall, not just uk
Forspoken sold more than octopath 2
forspoken still hasn't sold even a million, and luminous is dead. FFXVI won barry
>cost 74m + ad tip
>flops studio to death with it's mind
>bonus dlc with sequel hook
Kek
Forspoken made its money back
ff16 didn't
lumipro were just put in cbu2 and are still using luminous engine and are stated by se to be doing aaa development of existing SE IP
SE just announced theyre doubling down on AAA development no more AA level stuff
cope
Post D.Mons and I'll change my negative review of FF15.
Didnt you say Forspoken was better than hi fi rush?
I bet square enix are seething at seeing baldurs gate 3 do numbers on steam when that could have been them with ff16.
Larian really just keep getting away with it. They an incredible sense for timing releases.
>thinking garbage like FF16 could've sold as well as BG3 if it was on steam
You cultists are delusional.
It wouldnt sell as much as bg3 but they definitely lost like half of potential sales.
Maybe they shouldn't have high expectations next time, maybe they should stop listening to ~~*analysts*~~...
>a SE game didn't meet expectations
shocking, SE high executives still think they're the powerhouse before 13.
Yup. They haven't released shit worth playing since 12. Everyone that's been buying since then is coping and hoping but this company is dead and not coming back. Seriously, just stop buying this slop.
There are over 40 million PS5s sold now. This just seems like cope from Square-Enix. It's not the first time they've set impossibly high expectations for their games.
That’s unfortunate. I was hoping for a XVI-2 at some point because I love this game. Oh well. Life goes on.
As much as I want to rag on FFXVI, failing to meet expectation probably has more to do with something frivolous, like having number larger than 3 in its title, than anything related to quality.
The main FF titles haven't been that good in the last TWO DECADES, and on top of that the series has been DILUTED by countless spinoffs and sequels that were even poorer, there's even some WiiWare slop with the Final Fantasy name on it. Instead of making FF VII Remake one huge thing, they're dragging it out with sequels. XV was hyped for years and years, and got BTFO by Conan kek.
Final Fantasy isn't such a prestigious name anymore, so I'd say XVI sold pretty well for a console exclusive.
>conan
you... you do realise that was a paid marketting spot... right? the whole bit is conan shits on the game because he's clueless... you do know that right?
>um akchually he just made fun of the game objectively being trash on purpose, and got paid for it!
This is the first ff since 9 I enjoyed. I think they went closer to snes era ff, so everyone who liked the new ones are pissed.
I tried x xiii and xv and couldnt get more than 10 mins in, just finished xvi
>0 rpg mechanics
>No exploration
>No party
>No dungeons
>ridiculous western anti-slavery story
>snes era FF
lmao at the state of cultists trying to sell this kusoge
Damn you lied about everything. The only kusoge here is you.
What the frick are you even saying?
So what caused this
Square-Enix setting too high expectations again probably. Like the Tomb Raider reboot was deemed a failure to SE as it didn't sell 10 million copies.
Final Fantasy just isn't the juggernaut it once was.
Few reasons from the top of my head
>Medieval fantasy setting, FF12 and FF9 sits at eternal 6M sales range since forever despite being called le best games in the series, games like 13 and 15 outsold them due to their setting, FF players don't like fantasy FF games
>Not an open world, everyone goes crazy over open world at this point but they decided to make it a linear game with level select
>DMC combat filtering people
They should've made it
>Open world
>Sci-fi Fantasy setting
>Soulslike or Batmanlike rather than DMClike
If they wanted to sell COD numbers.
>DMC combat filtering people
It's baby-tier and they even locked off the only normal difficulty to NG+, it's the lack of engaging combat that filters people
>It's baby-tier
Action games don't hold the average player's attention when they have more than 2 buttons to work with, best selling action games are glorified QTE simulators. XVI gives you a dodge, a jump, a launcher, charged attacks, charged spells etc. Look at the best selling action games of today
>God of War
Removed jumping and nearly removed weapon switching.
>Soulslikes
No jumping, even ER's jump isn't used for anything but jump R2s and occasional dodges, mostly a traversal mechanic. Weapon switching never mattered due to simplicity.
>Bamham
Again, no jumping besides animations, there is a vault though which kinda acts like jump but no air combat.
>DMC/Bayonetta etc.
Jump, enemy step, double jump, launchers. Jump works as a cancel, a dodge, mobility and sometimes even as a launcher. Air combat is important.
>XVI
Same as DMC/Bayo besides launcher part which you have other options.
It's not open world though. You can't go accross Valisthea from one side of the map to the other with your chocobo.
>>God of War
>Removed jumping and nearly removed weapon switching.
And yet still has a fair amount of actions despite being practically a movie series
You act like XVI's air combos are intense mental calculus like fricking competitive smash gameplay, but there's essentially nothing to it beyond just being able to mash in the air
You couldn't oversell this harder if you tried
I'm saying how they simplified it. Action games only sell if your characters' feet are glued to the ground because casual players don't want to think about 3D space. Does NuGoW even have airborne enemies? I can't remember a single one of them despite playing Ragnarok just last year.
I know it has bosses that move around above you and require you to hit them at range
Also, being able to hit enemies after a jump does not require three-dimensional thought
>Also, being able to hit enemies after a jump does not require three-dimensional thought
Nah, it's the exact reason why 3D fighters don't exist anymore besides anime fighters. There is only Tekken if you can call it 3D.
3D fighters don't exist anymore because sidestepping is clunky and feels wrong when the PoV is still no different from a 2D game, and no serious company wanted to experiment as far outside of the established genre bounds the way all the shitty licensed anime fighters did so we never got a really good one
>3D fighters don't exist anymore because sidestepping is clunky
Try Virtua Fighter to see if it's clunky.
>and feels wrong when the PoV is still no different from a 2D game
Wrong.
You are delusional if you think that doesn't look like a 2D fighter with tacked on depth
Yet casuals can't play it. Sidestepping is a bit too much for people, instead they would work on for the dodge catching combos when they trip the opponent down. Which almost always works. Sidestepping makes it harder because usual combos don't work.
As a casual, I wouldn't play a "3D" fighting game but would play an actual 3D fighter
All it would take would be a competent company making a non-cash grab DBZ game or something to shift the landscape
Not that anon but I don't like the new God of War combat because the sliding around effect of attacking and any enemy's attack towards you makes positioning and trying to control a crowd almost completely pointless and it feels like shit because of it. Also the second game flat out dropped the ball on the story and characters hard enough that I couldn't finish it.
FFXVI is by no means a perfect game but I liked it's combat a bit more.
The argument is about complexity driving off audiences, which patently isn't true as FFVI isn't considerably more complex
I'll admit, I didn't really read the rest of of your guys replies to eachother.
no, no, stop, we have a status quo to uphold here. call the other poster a homosexual, insinuate hes wrong with some meaningless drivel and move on. we dont apologize here
>It's not open world though. You can't go accross Valisthea from one side of the map to the other with your chocobo.
The entire azeroth needs to be traversable on your mount then, which is impossible even today unless they got rid of the exhaust meter when you fly over the ocean. Toss ff16 the smallest bone to enhance your criticism
>FF12 and FF9 sits at eternal 6M sales
yeah those are nice up to date sales numbers fr
>linear with level select
to flat out say the game is open world would be more accurate than your interpretation. Just has gates at first. WoW is open world but a level 1 cant just fly in the outlands during BC
what
said, but also
A.) stuck on the PS5, and despite being partly a movie game it doesn't appeal to the PS5's movie game crowd
B.) all the trailer moments and highlights of the game are the big boss fights, but once word of mouth spread that the majority of the game is boring ass trash mob fights with you spamming the same combo over and over and really pointlessly bland and awful sidequests designed to waste time, people immediately overlooked the game
3 million isn't terrible in sales for a video game, but for Square-Enix pushing a AAA title as a main franchise installment for Final Fantasy, 3 million might as well be a drop in the bucket that means nothing for them
>the majority of the game is boring ass trash mob fights with you spamming the same combo over and over and really pointlessly bland and awful sidequests designed to waste time
The sad truth. The game has its moments but the majority of the game are not those moments. Still a better than than FF13-15 though.
Unironically not hitting the +90 Metacritic.
They didn't make THAT quality of a game and threw all their resources into the story which wasn't good enough to kick them above that number like Shadowbringers.
this is what happens when you ride the journalist wiener too hard.
Launching the game for a dead console. You know, it wasnt a good choice.
if GPUs cost less consoles would all be dead now, pc is better.
>let's make an exclusive for a console with a shitty install base and abysmal software to hardware ratios.
But they didn't release it on Xbox
ps5 exclusivity is not enough. it's that simple. most ps5 gamers just run CoD, Fifa, rocket league and Fortnite. how many ps5's are out there? like 30 mil? so if only 10% of ps5 gamers love action jrpgs, then 3 million is your cap. they included the bundle's and shipped as the metric of success to keep hype up. the legs on 16 are non-existent, its over.
if this was on ps4, xbox and pc. it would have sold much better.
square enix wont admit their AAA final fantasy game failed, because its all they have now. 7 was a failure for a year until they got the "numbers" they wanted after giving the game away for free.
>because its all they have now
Would it have run on the PS4 though? And getting it on the Xbox means you've got to get it running on the Series S as well. And the Xbox audience aren't typically ones to go for RPGs.
I can see why they stuck to PS5 and PC (after the Sony exclusivity expires)
The expectation was unrealistic to begin with. I hardly see why this is news.
>another seethe about 16 thread
I guess Square Enix confirming it didn't flop really pissed off anons. I wonder how long people are going to be angry about this game for. Inb4 "making back it's money and selling within expectations still means it flopped"
they confirmed it did flop hence investors not being happy hence the stock price drop
Until starfield comes out since their console has no games
I don't understand what people are expecting from starfield, its like kerbal 2 but without anything that makes it a real space game, so its just fallout 4 in space. which does not excite me, at all.
Flopspoken lol
Forspoken outsold ff16 this week
https://nintendoeverything.com/uk-software-sales-for-the-week-ending-august-5-2023/
Now that I got your attention, post D.Mons
Forspoken 12th in first week of August 2023 sales chart
FF16 34th in first week of August 2023 sales chart
imagine losing to forspoken
You seem to have confused me with someone who cares about 16.
16-coon is surely btfo. Now stop dicking around and post Barrymons.
Too bad for you ff16 flopped
Yes, I agree.
Barry is truly a subhuman homosexual.
why do xvi cultists keep seething and stalking some literal who
Lmao wtf is this? Barry explain yourself.
your boogeyman doesn't post here
XVI CULTISTS OUR RESPONSE???? IF FORSPOKEN IS FLOPSPOKEN AND IT SOLD BETTER THAN FF16 IN THE FIRST WEEK OF AUGUST 2023 THEN DOES THAT MEAN FF16 IS FLOP FANTASY 16?????
If it took that long to that, it’s a flop. The studio is also still dead, and literally no one likes Forskin.
lumipro is in cbu2
they are still a aaa team on aaa dev and still using luminous in cbu2
so no
now ff16 sold less than forspoken in August lmao
The studio itself is dead because of Foreclosure, but keep coping.
They are still 1 AAA dev team in cbu2
all they did was drop the name "luminous productions"
they are physically unchanged
>uk-software-sales
Eh
has anybody on this fricking board actually read the official report from square enix, instead of listening to "analysts" ? Just curious
yes it says they took a big hit in operating income dropping because of amortization of dev costs
which is for ff16
dev costs doesn't include FF16 only, it's for all dev costs for the quarter, including from unannounced projects. FF16 went gold on march 31 2023. On top of that they've released far fewer games in 2023 compared to 2022. Yet game sales went up 14% or so. Not to mention all the money they got from sony. Anybody thinking FF16 flopped is moronic beyond belief
No they only activate dev costs in their financials the quarter something releases in
q1 fy 2024 is mostly ff16 costs causing the oi to fall
weak mobile and mmo performance too
>No they only activate dev costs in their financials the quarter something releases in
so you really are braindead. Nevermind then
So you're fricking moronic
thats literally how they operate
you literally don't know what amortization means, please shut the frick up, moron
You clearly dont
SE rearranged their books so costs of ff16 all get factored in at once in q1 fy 2024
it has not broke even yet
they are SE
>luminous merge with SE
>sudden stock plummet
Think I found the problem guys
ff16 failure caused the stock to plummet yes we know
business division 2 made ffxv you moron
xv pc released march 2018
bd2 became luminous productions in april 2018
only anything after April 2018 is credited as by luminous productions which that ardyn dlc falls under because it was 2019
fricking moron
Forspoken lasted a month longer on npd best seller of 2023 than octopath 2 did and we know octopath 2 did 1m, ergo Forspoken did over 1m
ff16 flopped and tanked SE stocks
>SE paid off the entirety of FF16's development debt within 1 week of it coming out
Not only is this a ridiculous notion, but you literally have no proof of this either
Actually no they didnt because ff16 still hasn't broke even yet because that didn't include marketing
they only arranged the books for its dev costs
literally the very same person you're clinging to to defend ff16
ff16 hasn't even profited
meanwhile forspoken broke even at launch
>FF16 met expectations but not high end expectations
>Forspoken sales were outright called "disappointing"
>somehow in Barry's head this means Forspoken broke even but FF16 didn't
FF16 flopped and were disappointing because it did now grow the franchise it literally shrunk it
ff16 met expectations as an exclusive, the franchise was shrunk by ff15 being such a shit game despite the sales (evidenced by the inferior metacritic score)
No it didnt it underperformed
XV literally grew the franchise by having the highest launch sales in the franchise and strongest post launch sales legs in the franchise still to this day
ff16 has harmed the franchise and has the weakest post launch legs in the franchise and lowest launch sales in the last 30 years
Why are haters always such an npc they just keep saying same insults and stuff over and over again. Also this is Ganker why would you discuss game's here.
Half the anons in these threads are just shitposting for fun and don't care if the game does well or not, and the other half is too stubborn about what they already believe, so a report saying that the game succeeded or failed won't change their minds. Because of that, there really isn't a reason for them to actually read the reports, they just get the bullet points from journalists or anons who actually read them. This happens in every thread that talks about a game's sales though, it's not just a final fantasy thing.
these threads aren't actually about videogames, they're excuses to bait our favorite FFXV lolcow into making a fool of himself
did XVI really flop? who gives a shit lmao
FF16 did flop.
and XV is a better game.
>XV
troony game + dead studio
you're talking about cbu3 again
ewww. explains why barry is obsessed with xv
>xvi-kun posting shoops and lies
XVI and XIV are the troony "games" by dead studio
cbu2 is still using luminous
cope
oof
so ff16 shiva is trans? yikes
>made jokes because its ok to laugh at something you like
damn ff16 flopped hard
even with conans vid xv outsold ff16 literally fricking everywhere
Thats the indu shiva moron. Its a female sounding name and her being female works well with the dynamic with ifrit in most og games so its a good change from the apu mythology
The game did great the fricking PS5 flopped.
it didn't do great
PS5 has sold over 40 million units. That's not a flop. What's SE's real excuse?
Should have put it on Switch
Dead Luminous lol
A shitty game where you can't enjoy the adventure with your companions
>did not meet their expectations
They’ve releases this statement for every game they’ve released in the past 15 years. Maybe they should get their head out of their ass and realize their moronic expectations will never be met.
No
SE said tomb raider 2013 exceeded expectations once it hit 6m
SE also said octopath 1, ffxv, nier automata, trials of mana, Bravely Default 1 exceeded sales expectations
I'm talking real big titles, not these gay mobile games
Only nier automata is very profitable for them
ff16 discord cultists are seething again because ff16 flopped and didn't exceed expectations which is the expected thing for actual growth
their plan for 16 was growth
they did not get that
doing the bare minimal to get by is not a good result for 16 no matter what
it is a s
disappointing result hence investors not being happy and analysts saying its not good, hence the stock drop
>Square Enix Drops After ‘Final Fantasy’ and Mobile Setback
>Company’s dour earnings report showed 79% profit drop
>August 7, 2023 at 1:05 AM UTC
>Square Enix Holdings Co. shares suffered their worst intraday drop in almost three years, erasing a little over a year’s worth of gains, after the company reported a 79% decline in operating profit.
>Hopes that Final Fantasy XVI would boost sales were dashed by the company’s downbeat earnings report Friday, driving the stock down as much as 15% in Tokyo on Monday. Shares were trading at around ¥5,620 at midday, their lowest since May of last year. Both the Topix Index and MSCI AC Asia Pacific Index were up around 0.3%.
>Sales of the latest installment of the long-running role-playing title did not meet the high end of the company’s expectations, Square Enix President Takashi Kiryu told analysts on a post-earnings call Friday, according to three people who attended.
>Slow adoption of Sony Group Corp.’s PlayStation 5 was a limiting factor, Kiryu reportedly said. Now that hardware supply constraints have dissipated, Square Enix plans to take steps to boost sales as more people use the PS5, he said. A Square Enix spokesperson declined to comment.
>“The Final Fantasy franchise’s profitability is weakening and improvements will take time,” Citigroup analyst Junko Yamamura said in a note to investors.
>“All sub-segments within Games were lower than expected,” Jefferies analyst Atul Goyal wrote in an investor note. He has a hold rating on the stock.
That's not D.Mon troony-kun. I'm starting to get annoyed.
XVI cultists on suicide watch
If I had a twitter I would be asking for D.Mons from @_bazztek personally. Don't make me sign up for twitter Barry, please?
>i stumbled across it
Barry noo!
More like you can't read
>xvi cultists losing it
Hahaha....
>their plan for 16 was growth
if that's true, they're idiots, because the best they could've had given their recent track record and platform decisions is not losing a ton of sales, which they did get away with
good. Now we get day one pc ff games
>FF27
>Release date 2027
I miss 2011...
Nobody predicted that SE would become an MMO and gacha company, even making singleplayer MMO's like XII.
Why? They already destroyed the franchise by then
Floppoopin lel
Sold better than ff16 in the first week of August
That's what happens when you make the worst game in existence.
>live in UK
>Forspoken is £30 new on Amazon right now, over half the RRP
>or I could buy it preowned for £22 on ebay and that way I'd be giving my money to some rando rather than supporting SE
worth the cop or will I wait for it to go down to a tenner?
ff16 is 1100 yen preowned
If only I didn't need to pay for shipping
If you have a PC just pirate it. They removed denuvo because it flopped too hard.
It isn’t worth it. The game is genuinely abhorrent in all aspects.
I beat FF16 a bit ago the games really good I'm not sure why they locked it only to PS5 for a time its a fun game.
Stop having stupidly high "expectations"
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Now go play Octoshit Travelcuck 2.
It's unironically better than all Mainline FF's (I'm not kidding), though I haven't played FF12
FF16 is shit
FF15 is shit
FF14 is not FF
FF13LR is not FF
FF12 is not FF
FF11 is not FF
Octoshit is better than FF1-16
>Sales of the latest installment of the long-running role-playing title did not meet the high end of the company’s expectations, Square Enix President Takashi Kiryu told analysts on a post-earnings call Friday
>“The Final Fantasy franchise’s profitability is weakening and improvements will take time,” Citigroup analyst Junko Yamamura said in a note to investors.
>“All sub-segments within Games were lower than expected,” Jefferies analyst Atul Goyal wrote in an investor note. He has a hold rating on the stock. “Mobile 1Q revenue (-18% YoY) is a major reason why we have not rated Square Enix as Buy, given the saturation in Japan market and increased competition from the likes of NetEase in Japan.”
>Toyo Securities analyst Hideki Yasuda said "This is a very poor result, and it will be impossible to increase sales further unless the price is significantly lowered. Most of the failure is a result of the pre-publicity and the actual game itself being too far removed from the Final Fantasy of the past, leaving consumers behind."
Most of the analysts that attended SE's investor meeting, including TOYO Financial Group, Jefferies Group Investment banking and Citigroup Inc. Investment banking were saying that SE is underperforming and not to buy SE stock.
Wut? I didn't know that all these companies have been infiltrated by Barry (singular)
>barry became an investment giant
Jesus the autism, he became richer than anyone just to dab on XVI and push XV
n-no you dont see... uh.... but uhhh..... um but forspippin!!!
I wonder who owns all those ~~*bank*~~ hmm????
ESL detected
says brown skin abo
Hey I may be a Black person, but at least I'm EFL pilled
>“The Final Fantasy franchise’s profitability is weakening and improvements will take time,”
Franchise in perpetual crisis where the next entry will be the one(tm) to restore its former glory! How many years have they been saying this? There is no next for FF, everyone walked out of this shit franchise after XIII and XV. XVI was the final kick it needed to disappear from the gaming landscape.
xv was profitable day 1
16 isn't even profitable yet
>This is a very poor result, and it will be impossible to increase sales further unless the price is significantly lowered. Most of the failure is a result of the pre-publicity and the actual game itself being too far removed from the Final Fantasy of the past, leaving consumers behind
When can we expect this to go on sale? Black Friday?
PS plus free game within 3 months
Or when DLC comes
>146 posts
>56 IPs
hm
Yes anon, bazzkek is an insane samegayging clown. You finally broken the code whoopeee
>aieee its samegayging if its not praise
God FF threads are a treat. It's the perfect case study for schizos.
55 of those are Barry
>cripple fight between unmedicated shartspoken sperg and final sloptasy slopteen gays
You love to see it.
Flopclosure kek
>make a game
>call it final fantasy
>it isn't final fantasy
>it fails
weird
Indeed, very weird isn't it?
Wierd isn't it?
Flopsloppen jej
I JUST KILLED A STUDIO WITH MY FREAKIN' MIND!
ff16 flopped
It is literally a group of ff16 discord cultists who always come to these threads to damage control ff16s failure and always sperg about forspoopin even though nobody was even talking about that
>ff16 discord cultist
>not the insane abbo wienersucker that's been shitting everything up since post-XV release, shat on anything non-XV releated, the constant setting up fanbase wars between each other.
You're literally a ff16 discord cultist malding over some boogeyman you keep pretending are all one person
>bazzkek reveals his own falseflagging samehomosexualry
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
xvi-kun that's you
ff16 flopped
stop deflecting to forsplippy
>Blatantly lying
>Posting the deboonked journomode video to back your shitposting u p
lol
>journoshitters
Nice try bazzkek
And there xir goes again, picking fights with random posters, fans other games. Just can't help xirself.
>consoles
has anything else on planet earth caused more damage to gaming as a whole, ever?
Microsoft
PC gaming getting popular
OH NO NO NO NO
im not buying a soistation 5 put it on steam
Failsloppin haha
I can't tell who's trolling who anymore
Game's a flop, that's all you need to know
welcome to nu-/v/
Kinda the point innit'
>90% free trial accounts
14 isn't most profitable in any individual fiscal year
only with 11 years combined can it claim that
Shut up Barry Eric FFXV-Kun Snoy Tendie troony Quentin Toadythebro Steamie
I haven't played either game, but you guys have gotta be shitting me if you're gonna make me believe that forspoken outselling FFXVI
From what I've seen, the former is a cringe piece of shit.
I'd say XVI's biggest problem was that they hired a billion streamers play it for free, meaning everyone who bothers to watch gameplay before buying a game has seen most of the story.
In fact, the gameplay looks like neutered DmC gameplay, and the game itself seems to be more carried by the story and epic cinematics.
But as much as I have seen from it, the story itself stopped being interesting about half way in.
I'll give them props for finally making a protagonist that doesn't look like they take it up the ass
nobody said it outsold ff16 overall
it is a fact that forspoken outsold ff16 in the first week of August 2023 in the uk
Most of streamers have dropped XVI in less than a day of playing though
So, what exactly were their high expectations? Because 3m in less than a week for a ps5 only game with 40m consoles on the market are insane numbers. You have to go to Sony's top selling like GOW or TLOU or Nintendo's top selling games to see exclusive games perform better, specially with that market size.
Should have sold it in more systems then.
if 3m is below their high end then anywhere from 4m to 5m
just so you know 5m was the high end SE expected xv to sell and it did that day 1
>3m in less than a week for a ps5 only game with 40m consoles on the market are insane numbers
Front-loaded slop sells 3 million copies thanks to various initiatives, but then bad word of mouth kills it.
That's irrelevant for the report because the quarter covers until June 30, so Square is talking exclusively about the first 9 days of sales, which should be around the 3.5-4m
ff16 is 3m even after a month
it has not sold 3m
it combined digital sales plus physical shipment is 3m, so 1.5m digitally sold and 1.5m shipped, so really only sold 2.Xm~, with the remaining X being the remaining shipment that wasn't sold
they aren't going to send out more shipment until that remaining shipment sells out
FF16 has extremely weak legs so it could take months before it finally actual hits 3m sold through
That's just your cope barry.
Most of sales are digital only nowadays, hard to not sell your shipment when you have so little of it, and the game was sold out everywhere the first days.
The game sold it's initial shipment fast and without problems.
you're the one coping
ff16 already counts digital you tard
it flopped
it literally never sold out anywhere
it has no legs and stock is lying on shelves
They probably expected people without one to actually get a PS5 for xvi.
>hey open up xv-kun I brought curry and room temperature sugar cane juice
>we can btfo xvi-kun together while mageknight seethes with his mind
forspoopy is even more memeable than ff16
damn ff16 failed
Flopdropnrollin le mao
hfr flopped and never ranked once in npd
Forspoken was in top 20 of 2023 top selling games for 5 months straight
only the STEAM version of hfr outsold the STEAM version of hfr
Guess what? Forspoken sold more in its 1st month on steam than ff7r sold in its 1st month on steam
And it's a shit game, what's your point
yes hfr is a woke shit
so is ff16
>Literally just making up random insults with buzzwords you hope apply
lmao
Forspoken will never be a good game, moron
>Guess what? Forspoken sold more in its 1st month on steam than ff7r sold in its 1st month on steam
Woah! A game that launched on PC day one did better than a game that was on PS4, PS5 and EGS before it hit Steam? No way! How are things looking now?
>Recent reviews: 677 vs 127
>All reviews: 14,880 vs 3957
Oh...
Forspoken sold more on ps5 in japan at launch than ff7ri sold on ps5 in japan at launch
ff7r has been out over a year on steam moron
no shit it has more reviews total
I'm talking time aligned
>japan
>ps5
lol
ps5 3.8m when ff16 released
ff16 did 336k first week, only 400k after 6 months
ps4 3.7m when xv released
xv did 716k first week, was 920k in 6 weeks
>months
weeks*
>time aligned
>FF7R has 1460 recent reviews 6 months after launch
>Forpsoken has 127 recent reviews 6 months after launch
Congrats, you just made Forspoken look even worse pointing that out.
Waiting for the PC release.
>Holding onto contrarian opinions while making arguments that depend on public reception
I will never understand you morons
Big fricking surprise. I can't remember most of the plot only a week after I beat the game. No desire to go back and replay it at all.
SquareEnix needs to get its shit together or they might go bankrupt someday.
Flop
Wait for it...
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Spookem lolol
Capcom should just buy Final Fantasy IP from SE
Viewing these threads made me grateful that ds2gays aren't extremely autistic.
Hey now, the elden autists actually out-autist general butch. Got that fricker arrested even.
ds2 only looks better than FORSPOKEN because 16 flopped and used all of it's budget
cope mageknight91-kun
Shitspoken flopped, cope and sneed shill
XVI is shit, they needed to go full game of thrones to really appeal to audiences but instead it's a gay anime game
2nd half of the game was disappointing but people have such hate boners. I'll waste all day on this website but I dont have the autism in me to hate or defend a game so relentlessly. People are weird.
>I dont have the autism in me to hate or defend a game so relentlessly
It blurs the line between "trolling" and genuine autism, this is such a waste of time and energy.
Here's the actual statement btw
Jill has became quite a meme in Japanese community
>Why didn't you buy my game?
Not on PC
Floppypoopin heh
schizo franchise
Cry more about it.
Wouldn't have been a flop if it was just released on all platforms at the same time. This "timed exclusive" bullshit is so fricking stupid. Same shit happens with Epic and games on Steam where the steam version literally sells like 90% better.
16 should have just released on all platforms at the same time, simple as.
going on 40 days of the same posts NOTED
Love how the the narrative has shifted
from
>pre-release: XVI will be a system seller
to
>post-release: It's the system's fault
HAHA
It worked in the past, but today it makes no sense to buy a fricking $600 console just for one game. Their expectations were not from this world.
BG3 is a good example of a game that sold due great word of mouths, something that XVI didn't have.
every dev is called baldurs gate 3 development an anomaly that isn't the norm
the CRPG audience has little overlap with the action RPG genre that FF is going for. the comparison between both games are fricking moronic
No, that can't possibly be true
The shitposters assure me that success can only be based on game quality
The masses clearly must just be hungry for shitty isometric crpgs with gay bestiality
>game is $60 on PC with access to mods and everything else that comes with a PC
>game is $70 plus tip on console because ???
Those poor idiots
Swen respects and appreciates fans feedback and tries his best to learn from them and make the game even better, while Yoshida openly scorns and belittles fans feedback.
Don't know why he became so unlikable, these days he just comes off as shitty big headed colossal unlikable homosexual.
Should just let the PR team do the talking next time.
I mean, heading an MMO where the official forums are filled to the brim with moronic people whining about everything from the smallest tweaks to lalafell high chairs would make anyone bitter. I don't like how he handles things, but he seems to have put up a cheeky "I do what I want to do" sarcasm with shit and doesn't seem to get that it pisses people off more.
That's not really an accurate translation, the tone is way off. Even the question isn't accusatory like that.
That's an official translation though
Not surprising, that sort of smugness in marketing materials isn't uncommon in the west. The smarmy-ass "did we though?" is actually just "speaking of which..."
Localization work butchers the tone of the original, again. How surprising.
don't care, i'm never playing Divinity OS3: bear sex edition
>and appreciates fans feedback
unless it's BG2 boomer feedback, then they can get fricked lmao
>XVI chases that action-packed theme and turns away from its traditional turn-based element for FF.
>BG3, a turn-based game sells easily with little PR on PS5.
The SE homosexuals are completely out of touch with reality. They're right now doubling down on it with a bigger title and still an action-packed theme for the next FF installment.
That's what happens when you release your game on a dead console
I still have to wonder how many of those 40 million sales of PS5 consoles is actual consumer sales and not just the metric stockpiles of scalped systems. I remember a year after the PS5 released, Insomniac was complaining about how the player count was absurdly low for Miles.
I just think that severely autistic people should be banned from using the internet. They cant handle it.
hey man id like Ganker to not die. where else am i gonna go
>make a shitty movie
>call it a gaym
>doesn't sell
I can't figure this one out, guys
No one plays Virtua Fighter because Sega is moronic with where and how it releases, gives it no advertising, and tries to keep it so pure to its arcade origin format that there's absolutely nothing but the core gameplay of fights with a small but modest cast expansion in nearly 30 years. That shit appeals strictly to niche audiences already familiar with VF. You want to know why normies go to Tekken? Because it has advertising power and at least appeals to a broader audience. Maybe being complex 3D fighter shit has something to do with it never catching on, but I doubt that's the core cause, because it's just hard to approach fighting games for many people in general.
FFXVI is hardly "too complex", it's so fricking automated and even has the Story difficulty for making it even moreso. You button mash shit and press the button to dodge, and occasionally hit the cooldown abilities. It's more complex than XV, but people generally fricking hated that combat system and it was even more automated. Maybe it's just straight up "Final Fantasy fans don't want action gameplay" and the DMC-lite action attracts a very different crowd and appeal from the norm for the series.
Who all got disappointed too.
Poor word of mouth killed it. It has mmo game design for no reason other than the devs know nothing else. The world is sterile.
>Poor word of mouth
They pissed off the game journo class by not including black people in their slavery game, that's enough to kill any public momentum it could've had
Get used to it. This is part of a broader trend of Westernization in Japanese games that will make their industry gradually as bad as the American one. Copying 80s America may have been a recipe for success, but copying contemporary America is just a sick joke.
>Lock your Japanese game on a console that is purchased by people who either don't care about Japanese games or hate them
A bold strategy.
You really think it would do better on Xbox of all things?
Clop of the century
Barry is still a homosexual. But all the schizos that attempted to brush every bit of criticism off as being him is also just as crazy and gay.
>President Kiryu
Sony is fricking moronic and needs to abandon this exclusive bullshit. Even if its a timed exclusive. Im honestly shocked how they can still pull this off in late stage capitalism where every nickel and dime needs to be squeezed.
Its either that or the devs are so incompetent they cant build things for multiple hardware architecture
You forgot the 3rd option:
Square Enix is moronic and prone to making stupid decisions
>genuinely better attachment rate than ff15...
>...but exclusive to the PS5, a console with shit all install base
What the frick did they even expect?
There's 40 million PS5s out there. Could it be that no-one cares about Final Fantasy any more?
Yeah and 20 million of those are in chink/Hispanic warehouses
That's some next lvl cope troony.
the sony paycheck and EGS exclusive paycheck will cover the loss
Dude, see Four Heroes of Light for the DS? Just make that game but for this gen consoles and PC. Hell, I dont mind it being PS5 exclusive. Just show us you can make a classic FF but good, it's all I ask.
4 Heroes of Light became Bravely Default and Octopath Traveler, play those
Why is the ff14/ff16 troon cult so big here?
Nobody talks about these dead games outside of this website.
because everyone here hates barry, and barry DESPISES those games
I go into the threads just to make fun of you, you kind of invite it when you spam the catalogue with this gay shit
Well pretty much because they are blind to the many faults those games have. They love pretending to be part of something and pretending playing their particular game gives them a personality.
Nobody is blind to the faults, it is just you argue in bad faith.
Yeah... I'm not sure what you define as arguing in bad faith when every point that is being argued is just met with something about barry. Stay subhuman yoshitpiss sister.
>wahhh they called me a barry
jfc grow up barry. you're too old such a massive pussy about a little name-calling.
It's a mid game. Had it actually been great it would have sold more. But it's just average action game at the end of the day. Worse than DMCV
>first half
Frick yes you are the best recent FF
>second half
At least it was better than XV
>40 million ps5
>shipped 3 millions
So that's the power of yoshit piss?
And the troons want us to believe that millions of people are playing ff14 when it's dead on steam, twitch, youtube?
>Franchise known for turnbased combat
>Nah lets ditch turnbased combat
>Franchise known amazing fantasy worlds
>Nah lets have a generic cumskin eurotrash story
>Formula of success is defined by FFX from the opinion of Japanese fans
>Nah lets go completly against FFX's ideas
>Repeat the same frick ups with 13, 15 and 16
>hurrrr why is our series completly bombing game after game. Surely throwing away everything that made the series god-tier and trying to cater to mental midgets can't be the reason, right?
Man, a new Final Fantasy used to be a massive event in gaming, hell their used to be celebrations in Japan over the release of a new title. After X nothing has been the same (12 and 14 were decent standouts).
the same frick ups with 13
13 is just 10 with a different story. Fgays don't play their games for gameplay. Therefore all the criticism about gameplay coming from FFans should be ignored.
not them but the reason I like 13 is because I play FF for the gameplay and didn't get filtered by the tutorial section everyone calls the corridors, in the first game of three in the trilogy.
X and XIII play nothing alike you dumb homosexual
>Turn based gameplay, 13 is even better in fact because pressing attack over and over again isn't the best option
>Linear corridor maps
>Similar setting
>Story is different
>Every FF fan hates it
Lol.
13 is the antithesis of atb and is practically a rhythm game while 10 is one of the only actual turn based games in the franchise, they literally do not play anything alike
13 also has basically no side content or puzzles, nothing but cutscenes and far more shallow combat where you literally just swap between automated safe strategies and press x until you stagger
13 is just 6 second interval turns. they didn't get it to real time until LR, which they had been trying to do since the game the bouncer came out.
then dark souls and game of thrones happened and now you have final fantasy XVI.
>hurrr X and XIII are the same
Why do ameritards continue to spread this stupidity?
13 has a shittier story, characters, locations, cohesiveness, combat system (no, they are not the same just because they are both called 'ATB' doesn't make them the same), leveling system. The are only identical in terms of linearity. Linearity is not a bad thing so long its for moving the story forward. This is a concept constantly lost on mental midgets. No one in Japan sees X and XIII as the same.
>Why do ameritards continue to spread this stupidity?
I'm not american.
>13 has a shittier story, characters, locations, cohesiveness
All related to story
>combat system (no, they are not the same just because they are both called 'ATB' doesn't make them the same)
10 isn't even ATB dumbfrick.
>leveling system
Literally exactly same. Sphere grid is same thing as crystarium.
In 10 all I do is press X, in 13 at least I change paradigms once in a while. Fgays shouldn't pretend to care about the gameplay of their games because you guys clearly don't.
>FFX is ATB
Jesus christ why do all the Final Fantasy shitposters not even play any of the Final Fantasy games. At least PLAY the games first before you try to shitpost about them so you don't come across as completely moronic almost immediately.
I agree with everything besides the combat system. 13's combat was legit fun and challenging, but was drowned by the most annoying story and characters I've ever seen, and horrendous pacing.
I honestly think they did great with 10, 12 and 13's combat.
>known for turn based combat
>last game wasn't turn based
>last two spinoffs weren't turn based
>last turn based game in the mainline was basically an autobattler that most people fricking hated and was released 14 years ago
>last turn based single player game before that came out almost 8 years prior
Is FF known more for turn based or for failure?
I'll save Final Fantasy with my most popular storefront!
>that bland lighting
Why can't japs code?
because if anons are right, this shit is basically high resolution models and assets put on top of XIV's engine and reworked. and XIV already looked rough without direct light sources taking up a scene
bit of an exaggeration, its a good game. but I don't have a ps5.
also understand peoples complaints that its not really final fantasy anymore, its just game of thrones with chocobos.
its still nowhere near as "bad" as spirits within in the context of "what the frick is this lol", it IS a good game from what i've seen.
just not by mainline FF standards which have frankly been going downhill for a while, the last one I truly enjoyed was 13 trilogy (yes unironically)
Bazzy and totk gays still mad at 16 again?
That's what you get for not including poc. The world changed.
frick off ubisoft.
>decides to only release the game on PS5
>why isn't it selling gazillions
FF13 troony here.
Would have bought it if it were on PC.
I guess you could say Final Fantasy has made it's final sale.
I'm never going to be able to talk about this game on this board, am I.
It's dogshit. Why would you want to talk about it? Do you eat shit?
>food analogy
after pc release
I wonder how many times I have posted about Barry in the past 5 years.
I'm so glad I'm not an obsessed loser like him!
SE Black folk are the worst. All of you.
>played FF16
>enjoyed it
>have since moved on
>playing BG3 now
>enjoying it
>barry is STILL shitposting and seething about FF16's success
How does one end up like this?
>FF16's success
>the worst FF flop ever
>success
Mentally ill?????????????????
What gets me the most is how we're supposed to all pretend that the PS5 is a WiiU tier hardware flop and nod along when they act like 3 million on an install base of ~40 million is some kind of spectacular odds-defying achievement that no other game could ever dare to dream of (just don't look at those previous Final Fantasy games please). And if that IS supposed to be the case, then that means Square Enix has inadvertently confirmed a dirty little secret about the PS5 that people have speculated about for a long time, that its actual playerbase numbers well below its installbase.
The market these days is different to the Wii U days with the abundance of F2P and GAAS type games. This means people don't need to buy new games when they can keep playing their free to play games.
I don’t see how Forspoken flopping somehow changes how XVI flopped, both are shit
>Barry lost
>Luminous lost
>Yoshicultists lost
>Square Enix lost
This really just seems like an absolute win to anyone with taste and sense.
I’m playing through the game right now and having quite a bit of fun. Why is this game so controversial on Ganker to the point where there’s 5 or 6 threads like this per day?
It’s definitely not a perfect game but it’s a step up from XV and VII Remake in my opinion, at least in terms of combat.
its not controversial, there are no other good games out except bg3 and ffxvi, and elden ring dlc is coming like the dragons were in game of thrones for about 4 seasons...
>there are no other good games out
>he didn't pirate pikmin 4
I haven't played a pikmin game since I physically borrowed a gamecube when gamecube was current and I don't plan on playing another pikmin game.
yoshiP poster is an autist like barneygay or barry or caramel.
When I see at least five threads in the catalog talking about how YoshiP should off himself because of this game, I get the sense that the game is stirring the pot with some people here.
It’s been like this since before the game even released.
>stirring the pot with some people here.
It's literally just one schizo. If you see stuff like
>yoshitpiss
or
>yoship cultists
It's the same person.
It's always poorgays who can't afford a PS5 that just want to whine about sour grapes.
xv is better in every way possible
Its an autistic
Also they already said this was an experiment just because they misread some young people saying they want action games
Next games will be turn based or something like ff7r I guess
there's fricking 3 of these threads up jesus christ
and these people dare call anyone a cultist
You laughed at 15 for almost a decade. There's a decade of this ahead for you
who the frick are you even talking to you looney toon
Is it any good or as generic as it looks
I really love Final Fantasy XVI. My biggest complaints are lack of a party, and that the combat system is a lesser one, in my view, than FF7R's combat system, which was godlike. More minor complaints are directed at Jill (a little passive, jobs too much; wanted to see more of her, and she should have gone full wife after timeskip, taking on the smaller duties of the hideaway, becoming someone everyone turns to and looks up to), and lack of fun, interesting locations to explore; there's no hidden things like VIII's Tomb of the Unknown King or Research Station.
But on the whole, I love the game. Final Fantasy hasn't been good since X, and that was over 20 years ago. Twenty fricking years without a good Final Fantasy game. FFXVI is a good game, and its story is shot through with light. It's great.
I accept your criticisms of XVI, but ONLY because you begin and finish with making it clear that it's great and you love it. Bonus points for calling FF7Rs combat godlike too.
>Bonus points for calling FF7Rs combat godlike too.
My biggest complaint about 7R is that it's not repeating (yes I mean that to sound dull) the same story as the first, but holy fricking shit the combat in the game is so good. I lost all my gaming save data when I transferred from PS4 to PS5, but I was in the middle of a Hard playthrough of 7R and it was fun as hell. The materia system was genius. I still don't know XVI's system well enough to just shitwreck, so maybe it's id10t error, but 7R was fun I'd hoped it'd be the new standard. It's the perfect combination of turn-based and action.
Did you know they're making a sequel to 7R?
yeah but 1) not coming out till sometime next year, probably the summer or fall, and 2) there will be even more divergences from the original story, not less. If you think Aeris is getting killed, think again.
You were already BTFO. Walk away.
>1) not coming out till sometime next year, probably the summer or fall,
You people are so fricking dumb. I swear to God, Covid made you morons even dumber. Do you know what the frick Google is and how to use it?
“Early 2024” can mean anything from January to May
Take the L. You're a moron just like anyone else who criticizes 7R
Is May in the Fall?
>what are delays
I'd be happy if it were actually early 24 - say January 15, 2024. But I don't think I'll be so lucky.
So, you're telling me Rebirth will get delayed into Summer or Fall 2024.
Wouldn't be surprised if that were the case. Hoping for January '24 though
But you said the game would release in Summer or Fall 2024 knowing that the announced release window is Early 2024. So, you're sure it will get delayed. How do you know it will get delayed for sure?
Man you are such a fricking loser it's unreal
Thanks, bro. But I'm still wondering how you knew the delay was happening.
kek
He's got a point.
are you pretending to be autistic on purpose or is this your true form? I'll lay this out one more time
>FF7Remake releases April 2020
>three fricking years go by with nothing more than "two more weeks" baiting from SE
>finally "early 2024" given as release window
>already halfway through Q3 2023 and no fricking release date
Can I be forgiven for not really expecting Rebirth to drop early in Q1 2024 at this rate? I said "probably" it will come out in Q3 or 4. No, my uncle does not work at SE and he did not tell me this.
You missed the part where they said it would release next winter in 2022. And it is weird to me you expect a very specific 6-9 month delay.
https://gameranx.com/updates/id/413866/article/final-fantasy-vii-rebirth-release-confirmed-for-next-winter/
>Unveil the remake in 2015
>game doesn't come out until 2020
>In Fall 2022 say release window is next winter
>late December-February 2024
>fall 2022
You will forgive me if I don't take this statement as absolute gospel, anon
Your forgiven. But what made you think the game would get 6-9 month delay into Summer or Fall 2024? Also, they said it was a next winter release window in summer 2022.
https://www.dexerto.com/gaming/final-fantasy-vii-rebirth-announced-with-winter-2023-release-date-1849765/
See
Criticism Invalidated
anon, my criticism of 7R's story was not that they didn't complete a remake in one game, it's that the section they DID do (Midgard) had multiple and major divergences from the original, and that these will almost certainly proliferate in the second and third games.
>anon, my criticism was moronic and not valid
We know
>I can't read
I know, anon
This is legit. Its the closest feeling to the origjnal final fantasy in the past 20 years. X and beyond were terrible and I stopped playing then.
What didn't you like about X? I thought X was pretty good, honestly.
the combat mechanics were good but leviathan wasn't even water element. no matter all the improvements remakes always end up seeming like a cop out over the OGs. which is sad because I think the VAs and models and everything in remake are 11/10
I hated the game, this coming from someone who enjoyed ff 10-15 despite the flaws, something is just off about the game and it was mediocre and depressing, i instantly felt that from the announcement trailer btw, the game just feels rushed and uninspired
The game came out almost two months ago. What makes people post this shit so many times so long after release?
The media just started reporting on the terrible financial report released a couple of days ago. Stock value dropped 15% in a single day.
That was mostly because of mobile games. I'm not saying 16 sold particulary well but SE is mostly a mobile games company and they're beginning to lose there too
Good, I hope this company responsible for weebshit dies.
>Barry lost
>Yoshi-P lost
For me, it's a total victory.
FF17 will be the best turn BASED rpg in existence.
Uh oh...
was tabata making lemonade in SE?
reminder yoshitpiss didn't direct ff16
>FF XIV 1.0
>Yoshi-P
barry you're out of roots to grab onto
He wasn't on FF14 1.0 either, moron
Yes he was
for 2 years prior to ARR he was doing ff14
the userscore reflects that
It never got reviewed by western reviewers on psp because it wasn't released outside Japan moron
the only reviews outside Japan were from importers one of whom literally ran a website called nova crystallis
>that type 0 cope
4 reviews
2 playstation reviews
Goddamn Famitsu score when garbage like 13-2 managed to get 40/40
>cultists seething and lying to try to sell their trash game
>game is permastuck at 3 million
>pc release will get it maybe 500k more if they're lucky
KEK
To be honest, it just looks like a shit game. And I doubt the numbers would be that much better if it came out on Steam
Extremely mild pessimism detected. Time to dig my heels in and question, question, question with as much pedantry as possible until they regret it. This is important. I love my life.
Multiple daily threads for months isn't "mild" by any metric but the mentally ill posters that keep posting them. Cope.
But someone said there was a chance of Rebirth not being released in January. We can't let him away with that, can we?
so who the FRICK were the people saying it did well for weeks? Anons here and various news outlets wouldnt stop spamming it
Yoshida cultists.
See here:
They are desperate to sell the game.
>so who the FRICK were the people saying it did well for weeks?
Shills.
When you see homosexuals hyping the number of sales/players of a game it's always shills who are trying to use herd mentality and FOMO on potential customers.
>FF16 sold roughly 3m as a single console game
>7R sold roughly 3.5m in comparison as a multiplat
>They wanted more but understand that its due to being locked on the PS5 among other factors
>The game has already broken even so any further sales are profits
>The primary source of SE's drop in profits has to do with a MASSIVE increase in operating income because their actual revenue is higher than last quarter
Did I miss anything?
tl;dr
I'm not spoon feeding you homosexual.
I didn't ask you to, homosexual.
correct except 7R launching as a multiplat, it was ps4 only, but still, 3.5m on a 100+ million ps4s install base when you're one of the most wanted remake since the mid 2000s seems pretty weak to me
It was released during the pandemic when everyone was at home.
which makes it look even weaker
Not really
>FF7R sells 3.5 million around launch, clearly did well enough for them to decide to go ahead with 2 sequels when they had the chance to cram it into 1 if they really wanted to wrap things up
>FF16 sells 3 million around launch, doomposters claim the game bombed even though the budgets for each probably aren't too far off from one another
>though the budgets for each probably aren't too far off from one another
Judging by the massive difference in operating income in the quarters the games launched, nah.
Operating income is down because they were paying back some sort of development debt over that quarter
It's up in the air what that development debt was for, but FF16 was only out for a single week before that quarter wrapped up and I have my doubts they would need to move large amounts of money to pay back the debt for that game 8 days after release
They'll call it a flop no matter what. But then again, we'll call it a success no matter what too. So it balances out.
what's funnier is if we want to compare raw hypothetical revenue, 3.5m x $60 = 210m/3m x $70 = 210m. Both game had around the same performance overall, and one has FF7 in its title kek
The shareholders who are jumping ship must be complete morons.
I knew it was a flop when the shills were bragging about the supposedly "huge" sales (often while posting pic related), the game has also pretty much zero presence online, zero fanart, zero memes, zero discussion, almost no gameplay webms posted.
Yoshi P wanted the pozzed western audience instead of the usual jarpig audience and he got none.
>Yoshi P wanted the pozzed western audience
Funny since it's weebshit. And I'm glad that the western audience doesn't give a frick about weebshit anymore.
But it didn’t flop
3 million for this kind of budget is a huge flop. + it's shipped iirc.
Square Enix still makes money from shipped copies, and that doesn’t even take into account digital sales.
Do you know how much it cost to develop or are you just making shit up?
Keep on coping, phoneposter-kun.
Never trust a Faceapp smile
b-but it proves I'm smug and therefore correct!!
what next? attaching a chad image to your post doesn't count as an instawin?
i regret buying a copy and supporting this garbage
>FFXVII gets announced
>it's just God of War with 120 MMO fetch quests
>launched on a console horded by scalpers
>launched on a console that abandoned all support for JP games
>launched on a console primarily owned by people who only purchase the annual CoD and FIFA releases
>all while CBU3 has a dedicated fanbase from a game where the overwhelming majority of players are on PC
Who could've seen this coming?
>all while CBU3 has a dedicated fanbase from a game where the overwhelming majority of players are on PC
Can we see the steam numbers of ff14 troon?
>scalpers
This isn't 2021 any more. You can go into a store and pick one up right now.
it is amazing how mad people are over ff16. it is godtier and something yoshida probably hoped for. this game will never leave the mind of Gankerners or gamers.
Here it's not so obvious, but in boards where people are forced to have accounts it's very obvious that most people hating this game are tendies and boxers, paint me surprised.
I think it's kind of sad to see that many people in video games boards that don't actually love video games and act like hooligans.
>3 million
>on an install base of less than 40 million
What kind of an attachment rate were they expecting for a JP game on a normie platform like PS5?
it's not a JP game, it's a Western blockbuster. please stop being racist
its a western goy slop game of thrones rip off nothing about it is JRPG
Let's be honest, if it was multiplatform - would it have sold that much better?
No
In actual real Square Enix news - Denuvo was just removed from Octopath 2 on Steam
>makes game for babies
>flop
shocking
Exclusvity doesn't work outside of Nintendo anymore
https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/646771828/#q646771828
This thread is allowed over and over but not this, interesting
That’s not Forspoken
why not just release it on ps4 at this point? it would boost sales 300%.
Not when they see the $70 price tag.