>Wait is Imagine that old ass SMT MMORPG from something like 15 years ago
yes >which I assume closed almost instantly?
no, it lasted for a while, especially the jp version
nintendies tier b***h move from atlus
It ran for a while. The US version was on the Aeria Games servers for a few years, had a bit of a fall off of user numbers so they switched from a multi-channel server to a sing channel, and then ended up being transferred to Atlus' own service for a few years before the end of service. The Japanese server ran pretty long and got all sorts of events, there was another fan server that has now also shut down in response to this that had them all added and was working on translating them all slowly.
>Wash your hands of a game that many across the world still love >Fans take it upon themselves to rebuild the game in spite of a shitton of assets being missing or broken >Get it to an extremely playable state >NO YOU CAN'T DO THAT IT'S OURS
The private server was selling in-game items for real money through """donations""". Making money off someone else's IP is illegal. Blizzard already sued WoWscape server that did this and won in court. The precedent is already set that you don't operate private servers for money. It's why Sega isn't going after the Phantasy Star Online private server, all the money is funded from their pocket and they don't beg for donations.
Oh. That actually makes sense.
I didn't know the server operators were profiting from it, but of course they wouldn't say that when they complain about getting sued.
What's the cutoff for when donations turn into "profiting from the IP"? Like if someone makes a fan server, and their dev name is public, and when you search for that name you can reach a donation page, does that still count as profiting from the IP?
I would imagine literally any amount at all, you would think maybe you'd have to prove some kind of increase after the IP project went live but I bet they wouldn't need to even do that much.
Then the admins are pretty dumb. If you need help with server costs just ask for normal donations in a less public way, like on a discord server or something. I can't imagine a server for something like this could cost much anyways, just have a monthly goal of 20 bucks or whatever it is. Selling in game items gets you much more than you need to operate the server.
They've been doing that for years and a frickload of WoW servers do the same. Most private servers for most games do something like this nowadays. You're moronic.
>private organization selling their products for cash
You have to be very stupid to not the see legal problem here
this is literally not happening. they are being sued for the code used, DESPITE IT BEING OPEN SOURCE. read the lawsuit before commenting you fricking inbred
>Atlus has a copyright >WOW! WHY IS ATLUS SUING IF SOMEONE VIOLATES THEIR COPYRIGHT????
Dude, Atlus is not your friend. It's a commercial enterprise. If you want to use their copyright, you need to ask them if they allow it. If they don't, then don't use it.
This doesn't necessarily mean Atlus will sue you (just look at youtube and how many people violate Atlus' copyright). It simply means that Atlus can decide if they want to sue you or not.
For example Let's Plays are a copyright violation, but most gaming companies do nothing because they don't really want to sue someone who plays their game. Especially on Youtube most companies at worse just give you a copyright strike without any legal follow up (except if you try to fight the claim).
But the SMT server did more than just showing videos on Youtube. They sold stuff for a product they don't own. Atlus can always sue in such situations.
Also if you ask yourself why the defendant is called "John Doe 1", it's literally a legal term used if you don't know who exactly is the owner.
>and i to you as someone who released games before
So you should understand why copyright is a good thing for creators.
Unless you're trying to say you aren't a creator at all.
I generally defend companies and artists defending their IP but this just seems like malicious petty bullshit. This isn't costing Atlus anything, it isn't harming their brand or anything like that either.
>tfw this led to the other better fan server that refused to allow things like donations and ad space shutting down as well in fear of getting sued too
The what?
What the frick is imagine fan server?
A fan server for the long dead Shin Megami Tensei MMO
There was a SMT mmo? I honestly never heard of it.
yea it was not good
Wait is Imagine that old ass SMT MMORPG from something like 15 years ago which I assume closed almost instantly? Goddamn so many memories
>Wait is Imagine that old ass SMT MMORPG from something like 15 years ago
yes
>which I assume closed almost instantly?
no, it lasted for a while, especially the jp version
nintendies tier b***h move from atlus
It ran for a while. The US version was on the Aeria Games servers for a few years, had a bit of a fall off of user numbers so they switched from a multi-channel server to a sing channel, and then ended up being transferred to Atlus' own service for a few years before the end of service. The Japanese server ran pretty long and got all sorts of events, there was another fan server that has now also shut down in response to this that had them all added and was working on translating them all slowly.
priorities
What do they gain from having it shut down?
bad press
they love that
Nothing
But they also lose nothing from doing it.
Surely their lawyers aren't working for free and it costs a lot of money to pursue legal action?
Just write it off as business expenses
Legal fees are paid 100% by the losing side save for some special casea
American rule, you pay for your own sides court fees generally.
Depends upon the situation.
Some places have automatic payment for all lawyers coming from the loser of the case and most others can choose to do that.
These companies have their own legal teams, they are already getting paid anyway
they're on retainer it's the equivalent of finding something for the work experience kid to do
delicious tears
frick Atlus
and frick SEGA
>Wash your hands of a game that many across the world still love
>Fans take it upon themselves to rebuild the game in spite of a shitton of assets being missing or broken
>Get it to an extremely playable state
>NO YOU CAN'T DO THAT IT'S OURS
these mfs still have an inflated ego from persona 5 huh
The private server was selling in-game items for real money through """donations""". Making money off someone else's IP is illegal. Blizzard already sued WoWscape server that did this and won in court. The precedent is already set that you don't operate private servers for money. It's why Sega isn't going after the Phantasy Star Online private server, all the money is funded from their pocket and they don't beg for donations.
Oh. That actually makes sense.
I didn't know the server operators were profiting from it, but of course they wouldn't say that when they complain about getting sued.
What's the cutoff for when donations turn into "profiting from the IP"? Like if someone makes a fan server, and their dev name is public, and when you search for that name you can reach a donation page, does that still count as profiting from the IP?
I would imagine literally any amount at all, you would think maybe you'd have to prove some kind of increase after the IP project went live but I bet they wouldn't need to even do that much.
Seems reasonable then, people are just fricking stupid.
Then the admins are pretty dumb. If you need help with server costs just ask for normal donations in a less public way, like on a discord server or something. I can't imagine a server for something like this could cost much anyways, just have a monthly goal of 20 bucks or whatever it is. Selling in game items gets you much more than you need to operate the server.
They've been doing that for years and a frickload of WoW servers do the same. Most private servers for most games do something like this nowadays. You're moronic.
>others do it therefore it's ok!
You're so damn stupid, kid.
>corporation doesn't like it so its not ok!
You're so damn stupid, bootlicker
this is literally not happening. they are being sued for the code used, DESPITE IT BEING OPEN SOURCE. read the lawsuit before commenting you fricking inbred
Just get some cash together and hire a lawyer bro
What's up with japs and autism
>Atlus has a copyright
>WOW! WHY IS ATLUS SUING IF SOMEONE VIOLATES THEIR COPYRIGHT????
Dude, Atlus is not your friend. It's a commercial enterprise. If you want to use their copyright, you need to ask them if they allow it. If they don't, then don't use it.
This doesn't necessarily mean Atlus will sue you (just look at youtube and how many people violate Atlus' copyright). It simply means that Atlus can decide if they want to sue you or not.
For example Let's Plays are a copyright violation, but most gaming companies do nothing because they don't really want to sue someone who plays their game. Especially on Youtube most companies at worse just give you a copyright strike without any legal follow up (except if you try to fight the claim).
But the SMT server did more than just showing videos on Youtube. They sold stuff for a product they don't own. Atlus can always sue in such situations.
Also if you ask yourself why the defendant is called "John Doe 1", it's literally a legal term used if you don't know who exactly is the owner.
Copyright shouldn't exist, and i to you as someone who released games before
>and i to you as someone who released games before
So you should understand why copyright is a good thing for creators.
Unless you're trying to say you aren't a creator at all.
Damn I actually played the MMO back when it came out...
?
I generally defend companies and artists defending their IP but this just seems like malicious petty bullshit. This isn't costing Atlus anything, it isn't harming their brand or anything like that either.
>private organization selling their products for cash
You have to be very stupid to not the see legal problem here
I thought it was just some fan server hosting the now defunct MMO, like the Morrowind one everyone plays here
Private server selling in game stuff for “donations”
How many still playin that shit
Less than 100?
>YOU CANT REVIVE A DEAD GAME BECAUSE.....YOU JUST CAN'T OK
modern game devs are such gays
SMTrannies get what they deserve
>tfw this led to the other better fan server that refused to allow things like donations and ad space shutting down as well in fear of getting sued too