From a lore perspective, which game makes most sense? Which Pokémon makes the most sense for N to have?
Either is technically canon but what do you think?
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I prefer Zekrom but even I have to admit Reshiram is the canon legendary for the player, N is fueled by his ideology so he has Zekrom
N gets Reshiram, protag gets Zekrom, no exceptions. Anyone who claims otherwise is a flat out brainlet.
Reshiram is for N. Reshiram represents truth and is the white, pure looking dragon. Publicity wise, Ghetsis would want N to go after Reshiram to be pitted against the 'dark, black, evil' pokemon in Zekrom [who in this case is actually the good guy].
Additionally, Reshiram can only win against Zekrom when fighting in the name of cold, hard, OBJECTIVE truth.
N was led to believe that Pokemon and humans could not co-exist and fought in that false truth's name. Reshiram resonated with his belief, but ultimately lost to Zekrom and the player's ideals in harmony between Pokémon and humans, because the actual, objective truth is that Pokemon and humans were made by Arceus to co-exist.
N had to be taught this new truth, and then left on a journey of discovery to locate more objective truths and protect and teach them.
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>I prefer Zekrom but even I have to admit Reshiram is the [schizo headcanon]
It feels like White was created just so they can have a second version, that version doesn’t really make sense.
I feel the opposite, mainly because White has a more coherent world design.
You cannot tell me Black Opelucid is canon. It sticks out like a sore thumb. Even the gym's aesthetic was clearly meant for the White version's stone paved city.
He looks the best with Resh, so I gotta ignore lore on this one
Could be either - Zekrom is more straightforward, but the events of B2W2 make Reshiram seem the more logical choice in retrospective to N's story.
I personally prefer N with Reshiram simply because it's funnier though.
It's always been Zekrom, but homosexuals are also apparently autistic and need their boyfriend to be colour-coordinated.
It's not just color, Reshiram looks more angelic and goes with that weird Jesus-y pose he does
Cool beans, it's still bullshit peddled by gays who didn't pay an ounce of attention playing a kid's game.
Reshiram is the player's partner and always was destined to be, because N's goals, though he may have earnestly believed was gospel truth, directly contradicted Arceus' will for pokémon and humans. He even ignored your pokémon and the wild ones (who he couldn't understand why they wanted to journey with him) voices when they told him pokémon and humans are best when working alongside each other to insist his opinion, coloured by an abusive upbringing where he was only allowed to interact with pokémon deliberately injured by humans, was the correct one. That he then accepts this end after he's beaten for the final time just proves it - he accepts the truth the humans and pokémon he met on his journey through Unova are meant to live intertwined lives and that Reshiram appeared to the player, because he stood in the side of Truth. And none of that fricking works in white as the entire story is just "swap the words "truth" with "ideals" and "ideals" with truth in the script for Black" to the point N crows about the "truth " of pokémon being better off separate for pokémon, while the rest of the franchise plays up the bond between humans and their pokémon. You want me to respect you, just say you're an autistic gay./ Because I didn't misunderstand the story in the kid's game, thus I'll never be able to see (You)r incorrect viewpoint.
You are not only moronic, you are autistic. Unfortunate combo.
Seethe ya illiterate homosexual. Not MY fault you don't even have basic intelligence to understand the plot of a kid's game.
I'm not reading all that, I was just saying I thought it looked cool aesthetically. Also I hate missing out on this figure, it's so sick
Damn, you are actually right. Thanks for the explanation
I like Zekrom more so my boyfriend can have Reshiram, simple as.
>warped idealism from a young age from being gaslit by Ghetsis
>ignores the truth the whole game
Zekrom is the correct answer.
Truth and Ideals are interchangeable philosophical concepts within the game. Ideals come from Truth, and the Truth is brought about by Ideals. Yin and Yang, there’s a little bit of one in the other. Think of it this way going by Plasma’s main credo:
>Pokémon shouldn’t be used as tools of war or beasts of burden. Therefore no one should have Pokémon because they’ll be used for those things.
This is a truth. But it’s also an ideal. Now flip this for the main characters perspective.
>Humans working alongside Pokémon is a good thing because they grow stronger together and share meaningful bonds, therefore people should have Pokémon, especially since it can stop bad people from abusing Pokémon.
This is an ideal, but it’s also the truth. It’s why the player gets the opposite dragon that N does and it doesn’t matter which one it is. They’re the same fricking thing.
N can have either dragon, because his goal of freeing Pokémon is an ideal, brought about by what he views as the utmost truth. This is why Ghetsis was so easily able to manipulate N, and why the dragon chose him regardless of whether or not we the player view N as wrong or misguided, he was in possession of a heart both full of ideals and truth just as the MC is and the dragons were searching for that. Ask yourself what really changes if N has either dragon.
People like you and
have no idea what you’re talking about.
>Truth and Ideals are interchangeable philosophical concepts
Not when it comes to something as inherent to the world as day turning to night due to the rotation of the planet. Pokémon and humans are a symbiotic relationship, they made a whole game about sending a pokémon trainer back to an era of settlement, to teach the settlers that pokémon are not something to be feared, the natural order is pokémon working with humans to the betterment of each other. The problem is you're looking at this from a real world perspective, coloured by the biases of your view of our world (where they would be systemically exploited and abused for profit). the pokémon world is a utopia, they are a post-scarcity society and even their wars show humans fighting alongside their pokémon (instead of drone-zard strikes like the US would be pulling with humans safe from afar), inferring that yes the people fighting have the respect, friendship and/or love of their pokémon charges, because NO pokémon does something a human wants it to unless it in some way has an affiliation to the human.
You can sperg about how either viewpoint works, but this isn't a pseudo-intellectual teenage JRPG, it's a kiddy moncap JRPG and as shown most recently with SV, there's no hidden meaning to this shit, because 7 year olds, who the games are made for, WILL miss it if unless they're bashed over the head with it. And every kid is told starting off humans and pokémon work together as both help each other to improve.
>Not when it comes to something as inherent to the world as day turning to night due to the rotation of the planet. Pokémon and humans are a symbiotic relationship, they made a whole game about sending a pokémon trainer back to an era of settlement, to teach the settlers that pokémon are not something to be feared, the natural order is pokémon working with humans to the betterment of each other.
The point of LA wasn’t to teach humans to not FEAR Pokémon, but rather to respect them and bond with them. Pokémon literally kill and eat people in lore and you picked the one game where Pokémon can actually physically hurt you for no other reason than they’re wild animals. Brainlet.
>The problem is you're looking at this from a real world perspective, coloured by the biases of your view of our world (where they would be systemically exploited and abused for profit). the pokémon world is a utopia, they are a post-scarcity society and even their wars show humans fighting alongside their pokémon (instead of drone-zard strikes like the US would be pulling with humans safe from afar), inferring that yes the people fighting have the respect, friendship and/or love of their pokémon charges, because NO pokémon does something a human wants it to unless it in some way has an affiliation to the human.
Every single game has a large group of extremist people exploiting, harming, killing, and abusing Pokémon. The Pokémon world is not a utopia, it’s out world if there were magic creatures in it, ie a little more advanced and socially conscious enough to let kids wander around but there are EXTREME evils in the world because everyone is carrying around monsters with them. And even if they fight alongside their Pokémon in war, war still RAVISHES the places it happens and ruins the lives of people and Pokémon alike. Did you completely skip XY? Brainlet.
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>You can sperg about how either viewpoint works, but this isn't a pseudo-intellectual teenage JRPG, it's a kiddy moncap JRPG and as shown most recently with SV, there's no hidden meaning to this shit, because 7 year olds, who the games are made for, WILL miss it if unless they're bashed over the head with it. And every kid is told starting off humans and pokémon work together as both help each other to improve.
Pokémon has always flirted with adult concepts, like I said it’s our world but with monsters in it. You sound like a moron honestly.
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One last thing I missed. Pokémon and humans being “symbiotic” is not an inherent objective truth, and objective truth and “one’s own” truth are two philosophically different things.
God fricking sent Lucas back through time, to ensure Hisui evolved into Sinnoh through its settlements, to allow Lucas to be born to stop Cyrus. Never mind the legends told of the Temple of Sinnoh was how a human led 10 pokémon compainion, who lent him their strength in a confrontation with Arceus, it IS an inherent truth of the world.
>Thou hast done well to seek out all Pokémon. Unflagging devotion to a goal shalt see it through... So hast thou proven by thine actions. Much as that ancient hero once did. He and the Pokémon that walked beside him. To see such truths proven anew, beyond the bounds of time and space, bringeth joy to me.
Seems pretty open-and-shut to me, they were banging on about this shit back in Gen 4 too.
>God fricking sent Lucas back through time
This is not a fanfic thread.
And yet you're crying Reshiram is N's dragon. have a nice day, you moronic twat, that's why they released BDSP first. So moronic geebags and kids could get the hint the MC of Legends is the older MC of DPPtBDSP. Congratulations on being less intelligent than they.
>he doesn't know you get to choose the name of your MC
kek
>God having direct action in the world means evil doesn’t exist and thrive in said world
Yeah, you ARE a fricking brainlet lmao
I didn't say that, N turned out the way he did as his surrogate da was an evil c**t.
But there isn't a crew of corrupt cops turning a blind eye to the trade in rare pokémon and most people who find these things generally try and raise alarm or straight out confront them (how did TR get so big if some scrub kid will challenge them any time he meets them?) if this was the real world, ash would have disappeard, sealed into a barrel f cement and dumped for getting in the way of yakuza business. They don't frick around. UInstead, we get the boss willingly giving up his life of crime, because the power of friendship compelled him?!? Go frick yourself moron.
Pokémon having anime tropes doesn’t mean that Marowaks mother wasn’t kicked to death for fun. Giovanni was pure evil, him disbanding TR wasn’t because he turned good, it was because he wanted to grow stronger as seen in HGSS. I swear it’s like you haven’t played any of the games.
>pure evil
He didn't kill Red after losing the first time and as I said, he stepped back because "muh power of friendship beated me??" It's a kiddy excuse of stakes, because they're not arsed showing an actually violent scenario as part of their kids games. That's the thing, individuals can be evil, yeah. But Gio wasn't the grunt who killed the Marrowakn and differs from manga Gio by not being shown to be a psycho who'd kill pokémon to show "stakes" (again, in a plot driven by magical beasts acting the superhero along with their trainers because he pulls a heel-face turn and reforms).
Guns don’t exist in Pokémon games, he couldn’t kill Red after his team was defeated because Red had Pokémon left that would stop him. moron holy shit.
Literally the only correct take in the thread. Truth (philosophical truth, not objective truth) and ideals are nebulous concepts that are the same thing. Either dragon would choose N.
As a BW hater, it's abudantly clear that N is supposed to represent *ideals* since the story portrays him as a wrong about his ideology at every turn. So he should get Zekrom.
The protagonist getting Reshiram as the dragon of truth is just a series quirk plothole of silent protagonist-ism. In effect here, Reshiram signifies nothing.
People who portray N with Reshiram on the other hand don't care about canonicity. It's purely an aesthetic decision that nothing about the plot justifies. There is no either-or being fine---nothing but N & Zekrom makes sense.
GayFreak should have just switched their titles, which would have worked as well. Reshiram looks airy-fairy enough to be the Dragon of Ideals, and Zekrom solid enough to be the Dragon of Truth. It really just further exposes how poorly thought-out and designed this f'ing game was.
I didn't proofread.
*abundantly and *as wrong
Reshiram is for Justin only.
>this kills the Reshigays
End of discussion.
>Anime
>Canon
Pick one. Or are you going to say that Red not only didn't pick Bulbasaur but also had Mega Evolution?
ACK
Team Plasma's intro is blue electricity.
N loves Chargestone Cave.
N is a very idealistic character.
Facts scare gays.
plasma is conceptually fire + electricity
that's why it's not and never has been just electricity
It is but the game only shows Team Plasma in blue electricity.
Black version has always been the canon though it works in both. Zekrom just perfectly encapsulates N and his carefully fabricated worldview from Ghetsis given the dragon's more modern, almost mechanical appearance. Plus if you look at the state of the world and how much more tuned towards futurism it is in other regions, it makes more sense for Zekrom to have won the battle with the previous hero.
It would be ideal if humans and pokemon could live together as they do now without Pokeballs, so N gets Zekrom
The truth of the matter is that Pokeballs have become so engrained in society that this is an impossible ask, so the player gets Reshiram
Zekrom is the dragon of ideals and very much fits N's role in the game. Hes very idealistic and wants to change the world.
Reshiram is the dragon of Truth. The player winning against N is giving N a glimpse of the cold hard truth. At the end of the day he was never gonna get his world because truthfully a synthesis of People and Pokemon was better for the world.
I thought the games made this very clear.
I think it's only due to lack of discussion that the fanbase hasn't collectively reached the conclusion that GameFreak mistakenly switched what the tao dragon duo represents, as clearly N + Reshiram is a better aesthetic fit but incompatible with the game's lore as-is.
Amazing how kids can parrot marketing from Gen 5 when it suits them, but utterly ignore it when it contradicts their homosexualry...
>The guy who refuses to accept Reshiram is Yang
Shut up.
Zekrom has dainty little lady fingers, a midriff, breastplate, giant thighs and of course the Freudian crotch slit. And that's not even touching how Yin is the female side of Tao duality.
>the moron who ignores all official word, design theory and the meaning of the symbol that inspired the games because she's too thick to enlighten herself at any stage in hewr life to this moment
You only have to look at the box pairs of Gen 2 and 3 to understand. Ho-Oh and Lugia both have soft curves and flowing lines, as Shudo drew his troony donut steel OC self-insert as a girl, while Sugi created Ho-Oh, a representation of the feminine Fènghuáng, then Gen 3 came along with Groudon full of angles and hard lines compared to Kyogre's rounded curved appearance. They subsequently outright called Kyogre "Mother of the Oceans" in a later game. Design theory doesn't lie anon, even if (You)'re still doing it to yourself.
Well, I get Zekrom because I'm not a homosexual and I want the female dragon. N gets Reshiram because he's a homosexual, so he gets the dainty fairy princess looking 'male' dragon. Simple yin yang stuff.
How is the gimp dragon the girl?
Sugi went on record to say Reshiram took feminine design cues and Zekrom male ones. though, never mind the box arts are a perfect representation of the Yin and the Yang - the spot of white on the black background of Yin and the dot of black on the white field of Yang.
Why not just say you're gay in the first place, instead of pretending to be vindicated by the games? Because basic design theory could have told you that one before you'd posted.
>Sugi went on record to say Reshiram took feminine design cues and Zekrom male ones. though, never mind the box arts are a perfect representation of the Yin and the Yang - the spot of white on the black background of Yin and the dot of black on the white field of Yang
And the entire point of B/W was to literally say "nothing is black and white" when it came to story, theme and design. Which flew right over your head.
Except the Dragon of Truth didn't appear for the Idealist. Black is the canon version, because they write ONE Story, then change it to make the version differences. The only story that works, is the player getting Reshiram, meaning they wrote Black as "the" story, then went back and flipped every mention of truth, ideals, reshiram and zekrom, to make White version.
Hoew the frick can you be today years old and not understand how they go about this shit? It's not fricking rocket surgery.
You kinda missed the point of White then. It's still true that despite man's ideal that Pokemon are friends, there's always going to be that subset of abusive people. Truth doesn't have to be some grand sweeping thing, it can be taking the one outlier and running with it as if it represents the whole and that's N to a T. He became a zealot for that truth and it's Hilbert/Hilda's role to show him the grand scope of things.
No, I didn't because I played both and understood Black was supposed to be the "correct" version, as the story being the exact same, but swapping "Truth" for "Ideals" and "Ideals" for "Truth" and "Reshiram" for "Zekrom" and "Zekrom" for "Reshiram" indicated Game Freak wrote one story, then shoehorned the changes for White version in (as I keep having to repeat, the story in Black makes a coherent narrative supported by the details of the lore they established, vs White's story which contradicts both series AND game lore to give N the Dragon of Truth because of his "truth" of desiring pokémon live separate lives from humans, as his father wanted to take over the region and outlawing pokémon ownership by proxy by turning the human populace against owning them ensured no challenge to his rule and manipulated his son to that end. That's the one commonality between the games - this was all Ghetsis' doing to take over Unova. Anfd he created an idealist who thought pokémon needed to be separate from humans, because he was only allowed to socialise with hurt or injured pokémon thus thought humans only hurt them.
You're moronic
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You are. Sorry you can't understand they don't do "wishy-washy" answers, just because you got the off-brand version. They've always had a canon story after Gen 1 was written assuming 6 thousand different encounter table generations and one version of the game sold. And speaking from an oldgays perspective, it makes more sense to write one story to a kid's game and change it up for the off-title, than it does trying to make the story absolutely interchangeable. It worked in past versions as all box legends were superancient/creation-level deity and their lore and useage didn't contradict the story but there was always one story written
>Gold
>Ruby
>Pearl
>Black
>Y
>Sun
>Sword
>Violet
Because the story works best when viewed using their box legends.
Please explain how Ruby, Pearl, Y, and Violet are explicitly canon. Thank you.
>everyone knows more water will risk human life while more land could feasibly be an argument for expansion of habitats for humans and pokémon
>manipulating space to remake the world is a more intuitive way of progressing the plot than the esoteric concept of time
>Yvetal's lore talks about it absorbing life force of all living things to power itself, killing them in the process, Lysandre wanted to kill all but his faithfuil to "save" the pokéomn of the region
>absent male father in Japanese culture is natural, Cyclizar evolving into Miraidon makes more sense than Koraidon devolving into Cyclizar for human emergence as apex predators thrive or die out as a result of change, the whole pokémon adapting to part-cyborg, than creatures like Scream Tail devolving to become Jigglypuff
I mean it's obvious when you play both and get a direct comparison, but even then, they leave enough hints in their stories to identify which is the story they wrote and which is the version difference game.
Stop coping that you chose the girl dragon, kek.
I specifically chose the girl dragon yes, you little child.
>because I'm not a homosexual
You play as a homosexual (presuming you didn't pick Hilda)
As much as I like gen 5 it's when I started not remembering anything about legendaries.
I don't remember their history or what they represent or even what significance they had in the plot.
Why does half this thread want to frick animals
Just the one.
>From a lore perspective, which game makes most sense?
Black. N was obsessed with his ideal world to the point of him rejecting the truth of people and pokemon were already coexisting.
The point is that they're interchangeable.
Holy shit THIS.
Why is everyone else in this thread so moronic that they missed the point that "truth" and "ideals" were meaningless distinctions that could be tailored to any belief?
Neither dragon makes more sense than the other.
N was fighting to build an ideal world for Pokemon and N was fighting to expose the truth about trainers. And turned out his beliefs were neither true nor ideal for Pokemon.
He gets both and Kyurem.
>Yellow
>Crystal
>Emerald
>Platinum
>White
>White 2
>X
>Sun
>Ultra Moon
>Sword
>Scarlet
Is the canon proceeding. Thank you for your time.
If you were kicked in the head as a baby, yeah.