Where is the Xeno series story going to go from here?
Now that Klaus's experiment is over are they going to continue that world's story? They've made some connections to existing xeno series characters, but I genuinely have no idea what specifically they could do since I've never played xenosaga
Anyone have any ideas?
Not be on the switch
It drives me insane knowing that we could have had a larger and more beautiful game if nintendo would stop being moronic and actually make hardware thats only as powerful as a ps3
The switch is slightly more powerful than a ps3 actually.
oh my mistake. thats still ass
>Stronger CPU
>2x stronger GPU
>16x more RAM
>10 years of graphics tech advancements
>Slightly more powerful
be fr bro. In practice the switch can't handle games that home consoles from 2013 handled just fine. If you compare the switch versions of games like DOOM and skyrim, then youll see that DOOM looks like ass and that skyrim looks like the Xbox 360 version
Given how the XC games look good, this is objectively an optimization problem, not a hardware problem.
Doom isn't even open world game and bethesda is well known for having a garbage engine.
Doom doesn't use bethesda's TES/fallout engine
Monolithsoft is a special case. they put XC1 on the fricking wii of all consoles. their ability to optimize games for bad hardware is beyond insane
Again, there's no "bad hardware", and no console should be more powerful than a PS4, there's no need for this.
This asinine graphix obsession is already on the verge of causing another vidya crash because devs keep wasting literal billions on face scanning bullshit and 8k textures nobody gives a frick about or can notice the difference of in practice.
>hardware should stick to HDDs
have a nice day you tech illiterate homosexual. Hardware isn't limited to visuals.
Maybe if devs optimized enough to still have a good gameplay experience of an HDD then having slow load times off an SSD wouldn't be a thing, ever thought of that?
Technical advancements for devs are a luxury, not a right.
Devs growing complacent because they know hardware can just brute force their slop is why there's no more legendary stories of geniuses like the guy that optimized the original pokemon engine to shove in all of them in a single programming session.
nta, but this is one of the reasons software optimization gets ignored. Why optimize the assets when you can just load them faster? That's why hardware keeps advancing, but software keeps getting more inefficient.
game are also way less optimized than back then, and all of them have the open world "feature" attached, and that drains far too many resources.
so by comparison you still get better looking games on the PS3
I used to think this, but after seeing the absolute unoptimized goyslop that devs are shitting out for the PS5/SeX/PC and thinking upscaling and framegen magically solves all their problems I changed my opinion.
No console needs to be stronger than a base PS4, this is an objective fact.
If you can't make your games run good on the switch or the PS4 while still looking great, you're shit at optimizing.
Simple as.
Monolithsoft is one of the best companies in the industry at optimizing and their games still looks like shit, the switch is just terrible
XBX is impressive technical wizardry.
Monolith is owned by Nintendo
I think he means put it on their next console because the switch is underpowered dogshit
cry me a river
Hopefully one day they will not look and run like shit
Please fricking ditch the Klause story.
1 and 2 were enough.
3 being connected to them felt unnecessary as frick, the game would have benefited so much from being its own original story.
This, FFS. 3 actively dragged down 1 and 2.
If they had done XC3's story in a brand new setting instead of relying on the wow factor of "LOOK ITS PLACE FROM XC1/2" then the games would have been much better. The story was great, it was just too reliant on old locations
Probably not staying with the events from Klaus' experiment, but will likely tie back to the OG Earth where everything Xeno started.
Maybe follow up on what happened in X
3 was basically it's own story. In both worlds bereft of any God figure, mankind is left to their own devices and it turns out that we can frick up all on their own and need to figure out how to sort through our own issues.
>3 was basically it's own story.
Except not really, and it's very existence requires that everything you just fought for get bulldozed over and made into something else for the sake of the creator's ego. 3 sucks dick.
>it's very existence requires that everything you just fought for get bulldozed over and made into something else for the sake of the creator's ego
calm down Z
>How dare you hold these previous works in high regard and get mad that I wiped my ass with them! Consume the new product, damn you!
You a frickin' Disney exec, by chance?
>thing isn't what I wanted so it's obviously just a soulless product made to be consoomed
By your own claim, the Creator's ego would presumably be the starting point for the works you claim to hold in high regard. So the question if whether you really understand this creator in the first place if this new work seems out of place or out of alignment with what you wanted?
You can like or dislike a game for whatever personal reason but it's funny that you make the claim to hold a creator's previous works in high regard and then get mad that the creator is clearly making creative decisions based on personal preference, presuming that that's not what they were doing and thus you hold the previous works in high regard for reasons outside of the creator's vision
>Same creator, so consume.
Hi George. Death of the author is still a thing
The media illiterate use that term but often completely wrong.
We're not talking about what Xenoblade means, Death of the Author is a question of what the meaning of a text or work is and whether the authorial intent is the final be-all-end-all word on the matter.
The first flaw in your statement (and invocation of Death of the Author) is that you are actually making a claim about what the author's intent is. Death of the Author is a point about what a work is, not what the author intended a work to be. It's about shifting a discussion from "What did the author mean by this" to "what does this passage mean?" It's not about being able to make a claim about what the author intended, but what a work means to the audience experiencing it (regardless of whether the author intended that meaning).
But secondly, we're not even discussing the meaning of Xenoblade but rather how you could like XB1 and 2 and not parse how 3 and FR tie into the throughline that is formed between the two. Like how is it that you can't see the line that these 3-4 works form, even outside of anything Takahashi has said about his intention with them? All these works are from the same ego, they're pretty consistent in what they are trying to say, even from an audience-only perspective
This complaint cracks me up. The entire game, literally every cutscene, is beating you over the head with the simple idea "yea, we won't be here forever, in fact we could die today. Nothing lasts forever. But we should live for today anyway. Especially if it's all we get."
Then this fricking clown anon gets mad the game ended. Nooooooo I played a video game and it wasn't forever what a waste. Maybe try fortnite m8, more your intellectual speed.
>Just accept that everything went apocalyptically wrong again a few years later and everything you fought for got fricked and then turned into something else because I need an excuse for Perfect Works.
Wow, that's a moronic opinion. Especially when 2 only link to 1 was Klaus, and it was basically set up for 3 already.
All of those 3 games share the same themes and similar story beats too, they just explore them on different angles.
>2's only link to 1 was Klaus
and the monados/trinity processor/Alrest being the world of zanza
Now that I think about it, did the OG poster
really though that they would establish a connection between 1 and 2 and do nothing with it?
Gee, what a dunce.
idc where they go with it, so long as KOS-MOS is involved again.
So to the Project X Zone universe? I'm in.
you joke, but its kinda impressive how many cameo appearances kosmos makes in various franchises
>KOS-MOS appears in Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean as the Magnus card "Rare Action Figure".
>KOS-MOS' outfit, from her hair to her boots, is available as items for created characters in Soulcalibur III. It is known as the "Type X" outfit.
>The Tekken character Alisa Bosconovitch can be customized to wear an outfit inspired by KOS-MOS' Version 3 design in Tekken 6.
>KOS-MOS' X-BUSTER appears in many Tales games, sometimes called Cross Buster.
>In Tales of the World: Narikiri Dungeon 3, one can find an item that allows to make a KOS-MOS costume which allows her to be used in battle: interestingly, she is the only character not from a Tales game with a desperation move that requires low life to use, namely her X-BUSTER.
>She makes a cameo appearance as a support character in Tales of Hearts.[8]
>In Tales of the Abyss, the character Anise Tatlin can use X-BUSTER with the help of a rare item.
>There is a KOS-MOS costume as Downloadable Content for the character Judith in the PS3 version of Tales of Vesperia.
1/2
Xenoblade X-2
that dogshit will never get a sequel or a port
More mecha kino
I kind of want a Xeno-themed strategy game ala Total War Three Kingdoms. Xeno Kingdom?
I want to raise an army with mechs and soldiers and beast-men of all kinds with hero units and junk. I think that would be cool
The the descendant of the humans that fled earth before the experiment come back to the planet.
War ensue.
>Now that Klaus's experiment is over
It was over like 6 years ago when 2 came out. 3 was the most filler shit imaginable I don't know what the frick Takahashi was thinking when writing that.
>I don't know what the frick Takahashi was thinking when writing that
Something like
>Now that I've finally made a project with legs I need to force Perfect Works to be a thing even though Xenoblade 1 was never written with it in mind.
I mean, for what it's worth, Monado had a ton of elements lifted from Xenogears and Saga, just not as explicitly (Alvis basically becomes the Wave Existence at the end). And I don't blame Takahashi from holding onto this idea that he never got to complete in his prior two projects due to inexperience and poor planning management. Him reworking XB1 into a new Perfect Works attempt is clearly a pivot from the original intent but also it's not like it was so distinct from the ideas and themes that he had explored in Xenogears and Saga that it was like he had to do a lot of reworking to make it into a new Perfect Works. It was 90% of the way there already
I think the Conduit will be present for the next arc but we won't get any returning characters outside of some fun DLC fanservice stuff. There seems to be some shenanigans going on with xenosaga too.
I do hope they make a Xenoblade 0 some day with Klaus/Galea
Maybe they should make a new IP instead of Xenoblade. If they have to do Xenoblade again then make a sequel to X or something like it that stands on its own
"standing on its own" is the last thing a sequel to X needs to be
That's why I said OR something like it (eg. something that is similar to X) that stands on its own
The only thing left that might be worth exploring is a game about the events leading up to the experiment and fleshing out the Saviorites. Otherwise I don't see why Xenoblade needs more entries other than a follow up to X.
Humans have been stranded in space for thousands of years, with the return to Earth there is now a possible new conflict between Moonrace original humans and the Klaus whacky newtype humans
Back to the old universe Klaus left with all the fricked shit it happened meanwhile and Kos-Mos around.
Probably fighting for a piece of god or something.
>Xenofans spend decades arguing if all the references in Xeno games are just for fan service or if there are lore/timeline connecting them together
>Takahashi literally dropped the bomb out of nowhere at the end of FR and basically confimed Xenosaga is canon to Xenoblade
Why can't Takahashi just let go of his Perfect Work project? Not even Xenogays care that much about Saga, he is trying to revive the series that nobody wants.
This is worse than Nomura turning KH into Versus13.
>Why can't Takahashi just let go of his Perfect Work project?
Because some Nips in the industry have a big problem with admitting they fricked up something and just moving on. Even when they make a game with a core them of moving on into the uncertain future.
Ah yes, Takahashi was wrong to pursue his passion project all these years. I say as Takahashi is currently more successful and well regarded than he's ever been in his career!
>Takahashi literally dropped the bomb out of nowhere at the end of FR and basically confimed Xenosaga is canon to Xenoblade
It isn't. Certain aspects of it are though. Xenosaga can't be tied into Xenoblade unaltered thanks to all the inconsistencies, like the Zohar and Conduit experiments being entirely different.
>Not even Xenogays care that much about Saga
Maybe you're talking about BLADEgays.
>he is trying to revive the series that nobody wants
I know people with actually sophisticated tastes are exceedingly rare, but I can guarantee they still exist.
>Maybe you're talking about BLADEgays.
And people who consume RPGs in general, GEARgays also hate Saga
>GEARgays also hate Saga
[citation neede]
>saga 1 and 2 fricking sucked dude
That is PRECISELY why it needs to be remade.
You fix what is broken, not what works.
Xenosaga doesn't warrant a remake and I say this as a big Xeno fan who would play it day 1 if it existed. Saga complete its first arc storywise even if there was some rushing/compressing involved. It's not worth the effort over making new games
saga 1 and 2 fricking sucked dude, 3 salvaged the sub series but it was too late and ended up having 2 games worth of story smashed into one.
About that
More on Nomura and Xeno (pic related)
>Xenogears Perfect Works is to Takahashi and Soraya as Versus XIII is to their eldest son (loljk but you all know what I mean) Nomura. Takahashi said Xenoblade 2 was supposed to show "if you just change your thinking a bit, there's such a colorful world out there." This was to his kids, I'm sure, but I also wonder if he was also trying to cheer up his eldest son after his Square mismanagement took away his project (kek). People theorize this is why Verum Rex exists in KH3.
>The Xenogears and Xenosaga comparison exists in Stellagay Writeup, Side Black because Tetsuya Takahashi and Soraya Saga are the most similar to Tetsuya Nomura in style among other former and current Square developers. Takahashi and Soraya are themselves two of Nomura's closest friends which is why Nomura said yes to working on Xenoblade 2. ... and Stellagay using it helps us understand what Nomura felt when he was taken off the project.
>Takahashi had the lowest self-esteem of his life and Soraya lapsed into suicide ideations that started with an unrelated incident after online harassment [faulted] her for being fired from her project along with her husband, one they co-created. Nomura was depressed enough to buy 2 cats after he was removed from Versus 13 but he was still furious enough for his anger to explode when Square made him change engines for KH3's development from Luminous to Unreal Engine 4.
>Years have gone by, and you're right anon they're a lot happier now. In fact Takahashi seems to have done some self-reflection on his part. I don't have the specifics down since I never played it but he uses the Zohar and various reflections on creating virtual worlds as the Architect in the ending of Xenoblade 2. It's likely Nomura played Xenoblade 2 and then was so moved by the ending the Versus Epic came back within him or maybe Takahashi was speaking to Nomura through the game since he knows exactly what his fellow Tetsuya felt.
More context
>What is fact and what is fiction? (Assorted side comments)
>Stellagay is trying to explain why Versus XIII was changed to FFXV. They believe it was to get more widespread appeal, especially from western gamers that were used to playing games with easy to digest writing. They also talk about how Nomura being taken off of Versus XIII is similar to Takahashi and Saga being taken off of Xenosaga 2.
>Was the Xenosaga/Xenogears comparison a necessary part of it anon?
>I think it helps to make a comparison to another creator being taken off a project they've put a lot of time and thought into. Personally I think he Nomura took the situation too seriously. It's certainly hard when something you're passionate about gets taken away from you, but this is an industry geared towards selling products primarily. And unless you're the boss you don't get to decide what the company sells.
>There was one guy named [GameFAQs user] Yuriev/AC [who] wrote the famous Xenosaga/Xenogears Study Guide (Blogspot archive) that (noted Xeno fan) Stellagay pretty obviously [took] inspiration from. That said Yuriev was set to throw Soraya Saga under the bus when she and Takahashi got the boot for how she reacted after Xenosaga got Tabata'd. That's probably why Stellagay just won't shame Tabata for what he did when Nomura and his vision for Versus XIII was dropped for XV.
>In the earlier days of Kingdom Hearts Nomura was actually able to deliver a vision based on those trailers. Even birth by sleep tied things together as well. Whatever you think of Nomura's ideas and execution, it's only FFXV that turned into some one dimensional dull crap about kings with a completely botched aesthetic. [Because FFXIII singlehandedly made anime plotlines cringe and in the case of XIV, gameplay in Japanese games was rejected]
>"Oops our baby fricked up. Time to cannibalize this butthole's pet project to save our baby."
> - ex-CEO Yoichi Wada and ex-CFO turned now-ex-CEO Yosuke Matsuda
>Yuriev/AC [who] wrote the famous Xenosaga/Xenogears Study Guide (Blogspot archive)
This guy's still active online, right?
I do remember him taking a massive dump on Soraya. His old writeups insisted that Takahashi was the only competent writer. Now that we know XB2 was mostly him with Takeda and Hyodo assisting him well, we at least know he isn't as good as people think.
XB2 has the best story of the blade games so that falls in line. Not to shit on Saga though, her character writing is generally way better than what's present in the blade games
NTA but isn't the G in SaGa capitalized? I see people write Soraya SaGa.
No, thats a different franchise entirely.
>Xenosaga - xeno franchise after gears and before blade
>SaGa - completely separate franchise
>Soraya Saga - Writer of the xeno franchise and wife of the xeno creator (takahashi)
confusing, I know
SaGa is a different franchise that spawned from Final Fantasy II. Oddly fitting for this thread since Xenogears spawned from Final Fantasy VII
Nomura doesn't have even a 1/100th of the story telling ability takahashi/saga have, he's a hack
Don't tell that to Stellagay.
I don't know who Stellagay is.
>I don't know who Stellagay is.
>be a normal anon poster
>post like it's a phpBB forum in 2005
>discuss Square RPGs and Xeno, and sometimes Sonic/SEGA games and Fire Emblem on the side
>someone won't stop comparing said RPGs unfavourably to FF15 and threatening other Nomura fans
>it's Barry
>try to reason with him after he calls The World Ends With You a QTE game
>Barry won't change
>is somehow called based in TWEWY and Xeno threads
>expose a fake Versus leaker by entering his Discord
>out him as a Nazi
>get called the same name as the Nazi because they are associated with Versus
>begin namegayging
>Barry posts gorn and cp so jannies can quickly archive a thread
>they don't
>remind Barry a few days later he did that and ask him why he isn't in jail
>remind Barry he threatened to rape an FF fan who also likes Stella
>more bickering
>be so fed up with Barry's lies and slander against flawed but innocent Square Enix devs
>do an ungodly amount of research
>make a bunch of headcanon writeups
>post them a few times for fun before SoP and NEO launch
>gets excited for SoP and NEO
>fights Barry again
>realize Barry isn't worth it and then fricks off
>but then says 7R needs Gambits because his favorite FF, FF12 used it to improve party AI before he disappears
>the headcanon writeups take off with a bunch of autists called the Whispers of Stellagay
>those same autists ruin discussion of the Gambit system
>FF16 is said to have political intrigue mixed with dark anime tropes
>this appeals to the namegay's tastes directly almost 1:1
>Tokyo Team involvement
>FF16 launches
>FF15 fans are shown to have the same opinions as Barry and hate 16
No wonder he doesn't post anymore. You triggered him, Barry. You triggered Stellagay.
But Toriyama is subservient, Tabata excised, Nomura and Yoshida ascend, 7R gets Gambits, 16 is Versus 2.0, SoP is kino. In time, Stellagay won.
He must not be forgotten. I kneel to the namegay, for he did nothing wrong.
>Barry has also shat on Xeno
What the frick happened
XVgay shits on anything that's deemed a "threat" to XV (all major or semi-major jRPG releases with action elements)
someone made a comment of "man, the Xeno series made 3 quality games (1, X, and 2) in 10 years, other companies what the frick are you doing?"
and someone replied with, if you are Square Enix, farting around for 10 years to release FFXV in a sorry state
>not posting Stellagay's theory that XBX is Ep. II
Do we even know why Yuriev did that? He even said Xeno shouldn't have been a movie series instead of video games not because of the high cutscene ratio but because people who watch movies are "smarter" than gamers.
>Stellagay's theory that XBX is Ep. II
The hell man. The guy has too many ideas for his own good.
I am curious tbh does anyone have it saved
>Do we even know why Yuriev did that? He even said Xeno shouldn't have been a movie series instead of video games not because of the high cutscene ratio but because people who watch movies are "smarter" than gamers.
I don't know what this is supposed to mean
You're thinking of the game series, not the person
>Tokyo Team involvement
LMAO ironic. Monolith has three different Tokyo Teams and his A team is stuck on Zelda for the forseeable future. But it's good to see Takahashi hasn't seen the same dropoff Nomura did with his B team games.
I'd hate to burst your bubble, but all Square teams are located in Tokyo to my knowledge.
>he doesn't know
he has more Storytelling than anything Tabata shat out for FFXV
that's an insanely low bar
Frick off Nomura cucks, you have terminal stage Stockholm Syndrome.
How many times does Nomura have to give you the middle finger before you realize he deceived you? He doesn't give a single shit about Versus anymore (implying he ever did); he is laughing at you for believing his lies.
Your wife (Nomura) is daily sending you pics of herself being ravaged in every single hole by BBC (Disney) while screaming at the top of her lungs "YEEES! PLEASE LOVE ME IN A WAY THAT ANON KEK NEVER WILL!!!". And you STILL keep repeating to yourself that nope, she didn't betray you, there's actually a hidden meaning behind it, it's an elaborate 5D-chess ruse to somehow prove her love to you.
Seriously, seek psychological help, you've lost touch with reality.
t. EX-nomura fanboy.
says the Tabata bootlicker
It will take 5 years minimum for the next game.
I don't think I will live so long.
Nothing. They will make a Xenoblade 4 that has nothing to do with the rest of the series, except maybe lip service.
>NPC in some location says "Did you know, long ago, humanity use to be made up of different races and we all came together to form the humanity of today. Really makes you think."
And it'll be goty.
kino
>No catgirls
>No featherheads
>Kino GoTY
You disappoint me.
But the 7th party member is a catgirl.
That's good
Why does Nintendo have to ditch the Xenoblade branding now that it is somewaht recognizable and prestigious ip?, get over your xenoboomer games homosexuals, they are not coming back
>Where is the Xeno series story going to go from here?
If Takahashi had the balls, he'd reboot Xenosaga, now that he's got the money and recognition. and the stories are connected and clearly pointing towards that direction; or at least make some sort of "spiritual reboot" with the same story and setting, but with different names.
This way not only we'll have the greatest jRPG ever made finally see the light, but all normalgays who latched onto the series since Xenoblade 1 will run away in fear, finally purifying the fanbase.
But since he doesn't have that kind of ambition anymore, he'll make Slopblade 4.
Xenosaga may have happened during the time Klaus was the god of two alternatives realities + 3.
And four being the aftermath of both series.
Honestly after 3 and that shitty dlc i dont really care, id be fine if we never get another xeno game again
2coomer spotted
>Stellagay's at it again
next game is gonna be about me and my homies making it out the hood, but through some wacky shenanigans and a lot religious/psychological imagery and symbolism it's about me and my homies making it out of the physical plane and manifesting into the eternal, empty void that is the primordial soup of "being."
>KOS-MOS appeared in the game Venus & Braves.
>KOS-MOS (Version I), as well as Shion Uzuki and MOMO, appear in Namco × Capcom, another game by Monolith Soft.[9]
>KOS-MOS, in her version IV form, along with T-elos also appears in the role-playing game called Super Robot Taisen OG Saga: Endless Frontier.
>She and T-elos also return in the sequel, Endless Frontier EXCEED, while this time also receiving support from MOMO.
>KOS-MOS appears as a character in Project X Zone, also by Monolith Soft, fighting alongside T-elos as a single unit. Again, this game is in continuity with Namco x Capcom and the Endless Frontier series.
>KOS-MOS appears again in the sequel Project X Zone 2, this time joined by Fiora from Xenoblade Chronicles.
>KOS-MOS appears as a character in Xenoblade Chronicles 2. She is a Rare Blade that can be randomly acquired by the protagonists. Her design is based on her Version 1 design, and is armed with twin Zohar-shaped Ether Cannons.
>KOS-MOS's head armor from Xenosaga I makes a late game appearance in Tales of Arise as part of its artifacts system, where it is renamed as 'Mechanical Doll Accessory'. When on, it has the effect of making the party invisible to enemies. The description for it mentions that it would "look splendid with a floral companion" and that "[d]onning it brings about a respect for order". Both are references to KOS-MOS's name, while the former could alternately refer to Shion as well.
2/2
all that shit and i can't believe you forgot that Judith's Tales of Vesperia literally has KOS-MOS outfit
uhhhhh
Why does 3 feel like it was made with women in mind? Even the music feels subdued and floaty compared to previous games.
Kosmos, but she get repainted in red. She is now the xenostar.
How about a remaster for X? Or at least a goddamn port?
Hopefully, it's over. I'd like to see Monolith try to do something else.
The hacks at Square are most likely going to make a Xenogears remake, so look forward to that.