>game is actually really good despite its flaws
>le oldgay fans of the series spend all their time shitposting it because it's different
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>game is actually really good despite its flaws
will never get an isometric fallout ever again
why would you want one? I like the isometric ones as well but the games play better in their current form
>good turn based rpg
vs
>bad first person shooter
i'll take the turn based one here 2bh
maybe it would be good if it wasn't made by bethesda
I was more of a fan of the atmosphere and style of the isometric ones and could take or leave the combat to be honest because I remember a lot of bullshit such as "Super Mutant crits you for 999" happening a lot more than I think it should have
yeah no
it's like the gameplay can't decide if it wants to use VATS or not
There's literally like a dozen classic Fallout clones (Wasteland 2-3, ATOM, and Underrail) now, and other RPGs coming from Obsidian, why the frick are Fallout oldheads so fricking annoying about a series that's moved on?
there are but people don't buy them
this isn't shit? it looked bad from screenshots
I liked it.
But you need to like the isometric fallouts in the first place in order to be able to digest it.
Its not that much better than other f2 fangames, and just as russian
>russian
ew
depends on what you want out of a fallout clone. It does in dialogue skill checks better than fallout, has cool survival mechanics, and a pretty good expansion making it an even longer game. the 3d engine is ugly, the writing isn't all that good, and the russian aesthetic isn't for everyone.
I'd also recommend the Fallout 2 total conversion mods if you want more isometric kino
The OG Fallout games are kinda flawed, which is to be expected for 90s games but I'd recommend Atom RPG (and after you finish it, Trudograd) and Colony Ship. I can't recommend Underrail because it is ridiculously difficult without prior knowledge of the game.
that just makes me want to play jagged alliance again lol
Ganker cant even muster up enough attention to play crappy fighting games you really think they can handle that or RTS?
and that's a good thing
considering bethesda, obsidian and inxile are now all under the same umbrella, you'd think they let studios like inxile take a swing at one
honestly, after the disaster that was starfield, i could see microsoft taking away some of bethesda's autonomy and forcing them to let obsidian and others use the fallout IP, especially since Bethesda isn't going to be working on it for a long long time
Good, other people do it better in every way
>underrail
>atom
>wasteland
With bethesda's current dev time we'll never get any fallout ever again.
Just play wasteland homosexual.
>will never get an isometric fallout again
Their engine toolkit is certainly flexible enough. Make it yourself you lazy bum.
isometric 3D is hot garbage and has always been a crutch. there is no reason why these games cannot be 2D top down except "muh graphics", but in the modern day there is also no reason why they cant be true 3D camera except "muh style".
How would you feel about Larian making a classic style crpg Fallout game?
it would be an actual rpg so I would be fine with it
That's some monkey paw shit if I've ever seen one. I'd rather just get Obsidian to do it or hire the russkies from Pathfinder
If they get a decent writer
Sure why not
just give me ATOM RPG 2 please
>ATOM RPG
That game was trash why the frick people shilled that garbage
Underrail is fallout 3 (real)
its shitty clone of borderlands
It's a fun game but you're whole
>despite its flaws
is making it seem like it has a few issues and everyone shit their pants when in reality if had a lot of fricking problems and stripped the role playing elements to the point of them being bare bones
>lot of fricking problems and stripped the role playing elements to the point of them being bare bones
Besides the role playing as mentioned name some. Any really that aren't typical Bethesdajank.
>Look man, the spine was completely destroyed, but other than that, everything was in tact. What's the problem?
Fallout changed. Die mad about it.
it's not an RPG so i'm not interested in it
Agreed.
Rookie
It's a dogshit looter shooter wearing the skin of a bad RPG.
t. resentful starfield pre-orderer
Shit I bought the GOTY version ages ago when it was on sale for like 10 bucks since I do enjoy some Bethslop, what are some must have mods? I highly doubt vanilla is anything but nearly unplayable.
Im using the wabbajack launcher and applied the Life in the Ruins modpack.
Game is way harder now, still not sure what I think about it, but people seem to love it
darker nights and weather mods at the bare minimum. make sure you go into the console and type "cl off" so characters don't glow. you're forced to use a mining headlamp or power armor spotlight (or any flashlight mods) so you can see.
with other mods the game actually gets pretty spooky at night, you won't be able to see enemies until you hear them
Please refrain from posting until you have graduated high school.
Is it an okay rpg to play vanilla? I heard there's basebuilding
The vanilla weapons suck dogshit. otherwise its ok but the main quest sucks ass and you really can't get immersed
Yea its great fun
You can skip the basebuilding entirely outside of a little tutorial if you hate it, but honestly I remember spending hours on it and really enjoying certain aspects. It's ridiculously overpowered in terms of resources though. You can just plop down a few water pumps and then pick up a shitload of purified water every so often. It's more just something else to do.
criticizing a bethesda game for being a bad rpg is like criticizing gta for being a bad racing game. I have no idea why people expected this company to ever produce an actual RPG.
>play 4 previous games and enjoy rpg elements
>company suddenly removes most of them without saying anything
not that weird to see why people were annoyed and criticizing it
they simply witnessed bethesda stripping more and more RPG elements out of their games from morrowind to oblivion to fallout 3 to skyrim to fallout 4
It's bad no matter how you judge it.
fallout 3 was an rpg regardless of how bad of a game you think it is or isn't
fallout 4 was advertised as one and then it was an incredibly shallow looter shooter when it released with utterly half assed base building because that was hot shit in 2016, it's a completely valid thing to complain about with it
im not an old fan and thought it was boring and dropped it after 5 hours. I only started playing the series with fallout 3. I liked 3 and new vegas.
If Fallout 4 is so good, why didn't it have That Gun despite being the game where we actually fight Androids?
NO!!! There's plenty of choice for pistols, like the pipe pistol, the 10mm pistol and uhh the 44 magnum. You have more than enough choice. BE GRATEFUL
TODD
I played it too much on PS4 for me to get into it on PC
When I saw they put this eyesore in the show I lost all desire to keep watching
I guess with that they were going for some kind of demented SAW , its beyond me though - looks pretty terrible
I wish there was a mod that returned it to its concept phase; a large caliber machinegun designed for use by power armor troops.
Why do you need a mod for that? Just don't use it unless in PA. I restrict myself to only using 2 guns + 1 melee without a mod, you can follow rules on your own.
I was thinking something to change the ammo it takes + increasing it's weight and other stats. Something closer to a M2 than a minigun
Just adding a STR requirement would be enough, and making a mod to make it benefit from the Big Guns perk. But seriously, just don't use it unless in PA
kino in the truest sense of the word
Is there a video of him reacting to Fallout 4 weapons?
at least 2.
Who the frick cares? Don't use it, the ammo never drops anyway.
Voiced protag good.
Honestly the RPG elements in Fallout 4 were so rare that I was genuinely surprised every now and then when a choice had a consequence
>Permanent mole-rat debuff because I didn't grab the only vaccine from Curie
>Preston Garvey permanently butthurt because I wanted to get all the achievements
>Uhhhhhh
>Oh yeah you could dress up as the silver shroud and get a handful of lines of unique dialogue
It's a pretty mediocre game with surprisingly great shooting.
>rip out the real role playing mechanics
>95% of your choices in dialogue are meaningless
>writing is somehow even worse than fallout 3
>replace fleshed out towns containing unique quests with a sim management mini game
you are suffering from an obsession with change. good changes are GOOD and bad changes are BAD. most of what made new vegas a great game should have been carried over to this game
i don't want an infinite game with dungeons that infinitely respawn
The best part of the game was right at the beginning when I didn't know what was going on and you have to trek to Diamond City.
I'm "le oldgay fan" and my favourite game of the series is 1 but I still think 4 is fun, you just cannot deny it is basically a parody of the original series.
I like the gunplay and some of the gameplay but that's it. Everything else about it is pretty bad. It could've been Game of the Decade if Bethesda put some real care into it.
>be a person who never played a fallout game before
>play Fallout 4
>voiced protagonist with a personality and agency of their own
>terrible writing
>moronic story
>hideous graphics and art-style
>gameplay and exploration are soulless
>base building
this felt like a game designed for women and SSRI drones
>starting a series with the 5th mainline title
very zoomer like behaviour
basebuilding normies loved
NV > 1 > 3 > 2 > 76 (2024) > 4 > 7.5/10
So you like them all ? if they are all >7.5/10 thats a huge floor , id switch 2 with 4 and then id agree with you though
I just think Fallout is one of the best series in the vidya landscape but 4 is a bit too wacky lol random for my taste, it runs ENTIRELY on vibes, which rubs me the wrong way. the new art direction doesnt help its case either, Art Deco urban angle in 3 is kino beyond belief and 1, NV is just too consistent and smart
same is also kinda true for 2, hence lower score, but it takes itself more seriously than 4
thank you
I think its objectively correct
2 is only wackier than 1 because it is bigger and longer. The ratio between serious and wacky is pretty consistent.
might be the case, thats a good way to put it, but even then it still wont change my ranking probably
only change I see happening might be between 1 and 3, I will play TTW this fall for the first time, I will let you know if I change my final list anon
>I think its objectively correct
I think 2 and 3 could be inter-changable, but 2 can be a slog in the beginning while 3 feels is fun more consistently
I've never played 76 .
Based take
Lotta Fallout 2 slander in this thread holy shit. I thought it was considered one of the best ones?
The pop culture references filters a lot of people
The game would be 1000x better if they were just removed, the game literally feels like it was made by 90's redditors and the atmosphere of the 1st is completely gone
Seconding the question, what's the must have mods? Not the sex ones but the ones that enhances the gameplay?
I liked the one that reworked the UI so that it's way better but I feel like they go a bit overboard in some places. A dedicated tab for documents/notes and a "keyring" rather than shoving everything into Miscellaneous, which is weird because previous Fallout games did both.
>hated it when it came out
>decided to give it another chance a couple years ago
>uninstalled it again within an hour
Yeah, was thr last decent Bethesda game before they were to shit. Wouldn't call that a win.
It wasn't close to decent. A looter shooter with mediocre shooting and bad loot.
I just wish the game had more than one viable faction
>Minutemen are useless jobbers
>Railroad are too busy sucking synth dick to do anything actually useful
>Institute complains that the commonwealth is an unlivable shithole and their big idea is to use their incredibly advanced technology to... stay underground while making the commonwealth even more unlivable with synth death squads, muties and by kidnapping people to replace them with synths
>Brotherhood has its problems, but ultimately they are right about the institute and the synths
impressive how they couldn't make one enjoyable faction
Worst part is that there's not even any viable content for evil characters. Makes it worse with the lack of content for good characters in Nuka World! Who comes up with this shit
of course there isn't you don't even have karma in the game they couldn't even be bothered implementing something as simple as that
To be fair the karma system wasn't that good all things considered
Brotherhood is only right about the Institute, the synths are actually living organisms so they're basically killing people because they were made rather than born.
>a machine that goes "beep boop I'm a person!" is a living organism
That's the thing, third-gen synths aren't actual synths, they are more like cyborgs. They're all flesh and bone but it's ambiguous whether the brain is also flesh, though it may not be due to the ability for synths to get commanded.
True...
yeah but its just one example in a long line of rpg elements removed
>the synths are actually living organisms so they're basically killing people because they were made rather than born.
how compelling, face the wall.
Unfortunately the vertibird carrying the BoS crashed after fighting a bunch of raiders with pipe guns
Good thing I walked, face the wall.
Unfortunately the BoS patrol is scripted to fight (generic enemy) near (generic enemy dungeon)
What the Institute does first and foremost is try to isolate and protect itself from the surface people. You can say using their tech to stay underground is cowardly, it is, but it's their goal and it's kinda understandable considering they're a bunch of soft weak scientists. Replacing people with synths is obviously done to conduct their operations in secret, infiltrating settlements to control them or run operations like that one farm where they test how crops grow on the surface.
There's no clear reason as for why they send super mutants to the surface though, that feels like purely lazy writing. IF I were to play devil's advocate for the writers, I would argue that maybe they use the super mutant threat to hurt and keep the settlements from gathering again and trying to establish a form of government that could harm them, but that would be just a fan theory since there's nothing that supports this argument.
Worst part is being given all this power by them and no way to broker a unique ending. You only get the one. Also the railroad quest line is just "uh, hang out with the institute till the end and make one different choice."
hate newspapers
9 years later and gaygout 4 modders still haven't created any proper overhauls for the main quest and are instead too busy in Bodyslider
what would you even do to the main quest? it just fricking sucks in everyway how are you supposed to fix it
>why would you do the main quest in an RPG
No offense but why do you think moron
think you should re-read my post again my angry little friend because that's not what I said
the overhaul is called alternate starts
>skip the beginning
>everything else, the majority of the hours spent, remains the same except for removed dialog if you choose not to have a child
Overhaul.
captcha
Worst part is if you don't go to the fault right away the body witj the holotape to start the main quest doesn't appear.
The plot of the main quest is so irredeemably bad that they'd have to scrap the whole thing and start from scratch, at that point they may as well just make a game of their own
Could be fixed with AI voice over. Not killing Kellogg would be a big step forward.
>it's le different
No, it's an alright game. It has a lot of problems and illogical stupid shit, though. I like it, but it's not "really good".
If downtown Boston was larger or there were more areas with just as dense buildings it would be better, but just by a bit. The dialog sucks and the junk collecting sucks. Seeing the same weapons/armor just with minor stat tweaks gets boring. The closer to the sea you get the less fun it gets. Most perks and skills are arbitrarily locked and aren't cool. It's only a fun sandbox to explore and RP, but everything else is powered by Todd's poop and Emil's piss.
I really wanted to like, I tried it three or four times, but man is it mediocre. shooting could've been good if the guns and the enemies didn't mostly all suck.
last time even tried to do that dlc everyone fellates, far anchor or whatever, but everything in this game is just so god damn fricking BORING.
I just really disliked that there really wasnt anything next to "enter building, kill everything, get checkmark" gameplay.
Not a single good quest anywhere and the MQ was the same damn thing.
I will say, with mods, its a fantastic vr game
Don't steal someone's identity then complain about being compared.
Should I just play Fallout Shelter instead?
Fallout Shelter is a completely different game. But if you play it, play it on PC and use cheat engine to get over the waits
Yeah it's the only one worth playing. People will saying New Vegas has the best story, factions and role playing while 4 has the best sandbox exploration but Fallout Shelter really is the best of both worlds
I'm about to drop the game I'm just tired of seing the same scenery all over again and the shitty settlements.
Where are the cool towns?
there are none, it feels weirdly empty, like they expect you to wander everywhere before you even realize how empty it is
but maybe that's a good thing? in the end, (you) are the one who'll make new towns and cities, gives you a reason to do so, make shit more alive
Yeah but what was the point of synthetic gorillas?
There's plenty of reasons you can makes guesses for:
>Wasteful pet project of some return to monke scientist with enough political pull to get the resources for it
>Proof of concept for the more advanced synthetic parts, muscle tissue, brains, etc that the newest synths would be made from
>Proof of concept for making synthetic animals in general to act as sleeper agents / recon drones
>Some saturday morning cartoon plan to freak out wastelanders by releasing rampaging gorillas during missions
Fallout 4 is fine, yeah. It's also an awful fallout game, and I hate what they did with it, and I hate the course of bethesda games afterwards, and it's still not GOOD, just fine, so why bother defending it? It's alright, and it doomed a franchise. Hey haha that's like the fallout reference haha "you're a hero and you have to leave" lmao epic haha look my understanding of fallout is as surface level as bethesda's. I will never forgive them for making 76 awful, it had so much potential.
It's a shitty shooter and an even shittier RPG and it had a ton of performance issues because they can't optimize their games for shit. It's full of mindless busywork and the story is garbage.
Enjoy your slop though.
Meanwhile the writing of FO4 BEATS the shit out of any JRPG ever released, I MEAN IT, while having much more of actual gameplay. Look at Final Fantasy 7 or 8, walk 5 steps, wait 5 minutes to kill basic mobs, repeat. FO4? Aim, shoot, listen. Kino, kino, kino.
>rpg mechanics gutted
>all the factions are undercooked and moronic
>the story is the same as the factions
>the guns and armor look like shit
>the power armor fricking sucks and is like being in a tin can that runs on AA batteries
>radiant quest galore
>moronic dialogue tree
If by different you mean shit then yes it’s different.
Enought homosexualry, post settlements
>Enought homosexualry
>bothered with the normalgay base building
kek
I've never finished a large settlement or just a big house. I don't have the patience for it. I usually just build some shack in the middle of nowhere with all the necessities, put some turrets around and call it a day.
To be fair, I downloaded the mod that adds a concrete wall to all the settlements, but places like Sanctuary, the castle and tbe robot town activated my autism
Is that settlement yours??
the amount of time i put into my castle settlement was a waste of time i admit
There are a number of things Fallout 4 does right
but
I'd argue it does more wrong than right
>if we ignore the bad parts it's good
that can be said of every thurd
reminder wishing a black death upon a pajeet's mother is the biggest insult you can give to them
Its terrible. have a nice day
The only thing bad about the game is the story is weak and the writing is terrible.
It's a bad RPG but a far better shooter than the previous two. Take that as you will. Looting and building shit is an extra, to each their own.
The story is overhated btw.
Is this a good game if I just want to wander around shooting bugs in abandoned buildings?
there's like 10 abandoned buildings in the entire game
It's the best Fallout game if you want just a sandbox to roam around killing shit and leveling up. The story might as well be secondary to that.
yeah you'll have fun with it. This is sincere.
It's a fun game, just don't expect any decent writing.
Going around shooting things is the one thing it does well, so yeah probably.
No, it's a below mediocre shooter. I can only imagine it's deranged Diablogays pretending to like this for the loot, because there's no reason whatsoever otherwise.
unirocally play it for
>atmospheric storytelling
What atmosphere and what storytelling?
it's the game where shooting is finally not ass, but the guns themselves are now ass
If you do not care about the horrendous writing, it has solid and fun base gameplay.
did you turn on mat_fullbright?
All settings are on minimum with reduced detail patch applied to try and make city are tolerable, but it's likely the ultra-low shadows distance that you are noticing as it tends to make things look flat.
>KILL LOOT RETURN
>with dogshit exploration and gunplay to boot
this is not solid by any mean
>KILL LOOT RETURN
Yep, that's all a game needs to be fun
I wish my standards were as low as yours
Why don’t you morons just play CoD or Borderlands?
>CoD
Tried one in PS2 years ago, didn't like it. Pretty different game though.
>Borderlands
Tried the first one with a friend, it bored me. Fallout 4 doesn't bore me, simple as.
>Tried the first one with a friend, it bored me. Fallout 4 doesn't bore me, simple as.
They’re basically the same fricking game.
kek no, Borderlands is paced a lot faster and based on just shooting and shooting and shooting again. No crafting, no strategy, no stealth, no immersiveness. It is also a game based on playing online or at least it felt like one, which I don't like. It is much different and if you don't see the differences all I can say is go play them again.
It’s the same formula of shoot, loot, explore. With moronic rpg elements and incremental gun nonsense. But for some reason one looter shooter is better than the other.
You're not wrong in that they follow the same formula, they do, but in much different ways.
What I remember from Borderlands was running around like crazy (maybe driving too?), shooting big monsters, getting some gun as loot and moving onto the next thing to shoot. In Fallout 4, I first prepare my gear and shit I want to sell if going to a settlement, go out to visit whatever place I want to visit, do its quests if there are any, kill enemies mainly using stealth and long range rather than fast paced action, loot the place of useful components and maybe some legendary weapon then go back to base, tinker on my gear and go out again.
I feel like I'm doing a sales pitch when I'm not, I swear. I'm not shilling this or trying to make it sound better than it is, just trying to explain how I feel both games approach the formula differently.
The same shit with less features, go to place, shoot bad guys, loot, leave, sell, repeat it’s all the same shit.
It really, really isn't and if you don't see how their gameplay is different then I don't know what you are even doing in Ganker.
You described the same shit of going to place, killing, looting, and leaving but skewed it to make it seem like it was somehow unique. It’s the equivalent of Dr. Pepper and those shitty knock off you see. Barely different outside of the interpretation that you add in to make it seem like it is.
No, you're mistaking following a formula to the games being the same thing. They're not, and by applying that logic you could say Mount & Blade Warband and Borderlands are the same game too.
Fallout 4, even with its few gimped RPG mechanics, is a lot more complex than Borderlands and it still gives you the chance to build something more action oriented or stealthier or melee or whatever. You could even play as a non-combat oriented scavenger if you build a robot to do the fighting for you and just hide in battles. They're very different games.
>No, you're mistaking following a formula to the games being the same thing
No im pointing out how you added superfluous additions to the averahe experience in order to distinguish the two when in reality most encounters go the same and ultimately have you doing the same shit shoot, loot, leave, repeat.
>say Mount & Blade Warband and Borderlands are the same game too
When did Mount & Blade become an FPS looter shooter? I don’t remember sieging castles or commanding armies in Borderlands? Or have very little in terms of exploration?
>Fallout 4, even with its few gimped RPG mechanics
It completely gets rid of skills and turns the special stats into perks, that’s not gimped it’s gutted.
I'm going to follow your same logic:
>M&B Warband and Borderlands are the same. In both you all you do is go to places and shoot enemies, loot their shit, leave and repeat. Everything else like besieging castles, commanding armies, playing with the economy, diplomacy...? Superfluous additions.
Do you see how fricking moronic it is to simplify shit?
These "additions" I mentioned as you call them are RPG elements that alter the gameplay of the game. Giving the player different ways to play the game is not superfluous, you stupid moron. It directly changes the game, drastically if you compare a melee tank with a stealth sniper. have a nice day asap
That’s not my logic, you’re comparing something with a different genre and gameplay in a petty attempt to have a “gotcha” moment. If you take out the sneaking and modding shit from the Fallout example you would have the same shit but if you take out the commanding, sieging, and exploration from Mount & Blade it wouldn’t the same game let alone a looter shooter.
Why do all the textures look like assets from 2003?
The "next gen textures" they released look worse than vanilla graphics and tank performance
Fallout 76 is the best game in the franchise and I'm tired of having to pretend it's a "bad game." They en-goodened everything about it, in fact, i'd go so far as to say they en-greatened everything in the game.
if they removed the fomo, i'd genuinely give it a go
bethesda needs to hire the elfx guy to do the lighting on their next game
That homie just turned off the light on the ceiling kek
and removes the fart gas
its excessive in vanilla but a little fart gas is realistic
>raining outside
>go into building
>immediately blinded by gamma-blowout from windows
>"wtf is there nuke going on outside?"
>"wtf is there nuke going on outside?"
Why else would everything be dead and toxic and people would be languishing in piles of wreckage?
I was excited for it. When it came out I played for a few hours and it just felt like a chore. I thought the better presentation and better gunplay would be enough to keep me engaged but it wasn't.
The moment I saw basebuilding I knew it was going to be shit.
Fallout 4 is ALL brand recognition. Nothing else. It was Bethesda's first step of their apathy towards its logical extreme. They wrote Elder Scrolls to be metaphysically compatible with the idea of not having internal consistency, but then they just said Frick It and decided to never bother even trying to maintain any semblance of consistency in other IPs as well. Nothing is Fallout except by accident, and everything is redesigned just because they can't be bothered with preserving what came before, except in cases where something is iconic and marketable, exploiting the glory of something better that came before it.
Then a few years later they took the final step to total apathy, since Starfield fails to be consistent even within itself despite being a new IP. Bethesda has stopped giving a frick entirely.
My opinion of the game will not change because of a meme tv show
>wow I like show
>wow now I like the game too
ok normie
Your opinion on your gender changed after a video game, tho
>126 posts before someone mentioned the troony boogeyman
This must be a record
Wow you sure got me kek
How much are you getting paid to post here
I don’t get what is so terrible about the story, especially compared to FO3 which people think is okay. At least it was ambitious enough to include multiple different factions like Vegas and give a twist to the "search for family" cliche by making your son the antagonist.
Synths are a very interesting concept and just saying "muh Blade Runner rip off" doesn’t make it any less so. Far Harbor made it even better.
its not new vegas
Synths would be significantly better if they were anything like Blade Runner and no one likes FO3's plot.
It'll happen the moment it hits piss5, as you played into snoy's hands with their smear campaign the first time.
It's stupid and inconsistent.
There's nothing wrong with it other than the start making you pick one of two somewhat specific characters and the Kellogg's memories quest which is pretty fricking stupid.
The first of these issues is overblown, you can make up your own headcanon on why your Nate and your Nora are the way they are and write any background on them. Maybe Nate was a patriot who wanted to protect his country, maybe he was part of a penal unit, it's all up to you. That quest however is completely stupid and has no way of saving, someone should make a mod to skip like that one long quest in the mage tower in Dragon Age Origins.
One great thing about the main quest is how you can play double or triple agent between the factions. Joining the Railroad for info, then the BoS to build the teleport machine then the Institute and picking quests from the 3 before you make your mind on who wins, that's how the game should be played. And forget the Minutemen entirely.
>I don’t get what is so terrible about the story
It's a mashup of 3 and NV's respective storylines, except made worse in every single way.
The search for the baby is terrible, made worse that you can't skip it altogether by going directly to Fort Hagen like you could in 3.
The faction war is even more moronic than in 3 because there's nothing redeemable or likable about any of the factions, especially the Institute.
The institute is doing literally everything right except allocating all their resources to creating sentient life to no benefit of anybody whatsoever. If they spent their resources on making the world a better place, they could mog every other faction in the area. They can literally teleport. There's nothing stopping them from nuking a random BoS outpost and saying there's more to come unless they dismantle themselves immediately, then they could go about re-democratizing the wasteland. Instead they create another problem by building sentiment machines. I'd say they're stupid, but it's just lazy writing.
>creating sentient life to no benefit of anybody whatsoever
It benefits them, as they can use the Synths to manipulate life on the surface from behind the scenes. There's also their research on crops on the surface, done under Synths.
Why create genuinely sentient machines to infiltrate humanity rather than just creating T-800s which can act like humans but aren't capable of self-ideation? I'm not saying there's nothing to be gained by what they're doing, but you don't create self-aware machines by mistake. That's a incredibly complicated part of computer science in real life with billions of dollars being pumped into it every year. They had to try to do that, and that's not the best use of their time or manpower.
Their idea was to create the perfect spy and it was completely intentional. For that I guess they wanted to make them capable of free will to act independently and learn and pass as humans, while also kept in check with the reset code. So something that was 99.9% human was the best spy they could make, and they made it.
>game is actually really good despite its flaws
I hope I'm not on Ganker long enough to hear people start saying this about Starfield.
I liked some sidequests, the main quest sucked ass, you can actually compare this game to cyberpunk2077, sure it looks good for the setting they want and the sidequests are better than the main shit but it's not something I would replay willingly.
It was fun to play in the few hours between my split shifts, since it was pretty mind-numbing and decent fun to travel around, shooting shit.
Getting a vegetation overhaul made it a lot better to look at and explore, but it's barely a Fallout game.
It kinda sucks that this is what people think of when they think of Fallout. Actually had a friend ask me if there were Fallout games before 3, because all he knew were the Bethesda titles.
>game is actually really good despite its flaws if you mod it heavily
But then again I also liked tactics
Fallout is trash, give me a new TES game you filthy animals. The MMO blows.
i hope they return to daggerfall
and i don't mean the location
I don't
Fallout 4 is a very good game(with mods) and I'm tired of pretending it isn't.
Why do people like the shitty JANK base building where you place a bunch of prefab walls and shit everywhere? It's TERRIBLE and seeing a camp with a bunch of people in white shirts telling me to do randomly generated quests takes me out of the experience, I want to actively remove bases from the game.
>Why do people like the shitty JANK base building where you place a bunch of prefab walls and shit everywhere?
I find it's a lot of fun to create things withing a limited space with limited supplies.
>a bunch of people in white shirts telling me to do randomly generated quests
You can dress your settlers in any clothing and armor and also the only person who does that is Preston who you should have exiled to some shitty settlement you never use.
>I want to actively remove bases from the game.
Well I like them a lot. So frick off.
>east cant west cause . . . . . . . . . IT JUST CANT OK?!?!?!?!?!
>win game
NOW THIS IS WRITING NEW VEGAS IS THE PINNACLE OF WESTERN VIDEO GAME WRITING
BRAVO OBSIDIAN, BRAVO JOSH SAWYER
Yes
>can't resume playing the game after the main quest ends
And this is why trans vegas belongs in the trash.
>Yes, I know you're in the middle of a battle and pulling your men out now will cause massive casualties, the complete destruction of your reputation at a time when you need it most, and waste all the resources you've spent gathering here in the first place, but you see, you might overextend if you win
There has never been a good implementation of speech as a mechanic.
>you might overextend if you win
Try again after actually playing the game next time.
Cope and seethe, obsiditroon
Compelling counter argument, but play the game next time instead of spouting incorrect shit.
>you should have a nice day because I say so
Don't pretend 3 was any better
Yet another drone suffering from NV derangement syndrome. How sad!
is replying to yourself fun
>Yet another drone suffering from NV derangement syndrome.
is that why troon vegas homosexuals make 8 hour videos complaining that Fallout 3 dared give the player autonomy and didnt railroad you into taking the same fricking path every playthrough and forcing you to play a good character every playthrough cause it has the best incentives?
fricking homosexual troony
>zoomer throws a shitfit if the game isn't level scaled and doesn't let him explore the entire world from the get go because he hates the idea of putting effort into his gaymes
sad
But it does let you explore the world from the get go. You can make a b-line for Vegas easily.
>using glitches and save scumming to go where you want to go immediatly cause the devs are hellbent on forcing you down the one path LE GOOD
>developers giving players autonomy to go do the things they want to do is LE BAD
Thats rich considering you fricking homosexuals piss, shit, and scream about Fallout 3's vault intro despite being a-ok with the tutorial area that ends after you go past Nipton
but hey your favorite breadtuber said it was the best heckin game ever made you stupid troony
>thinks level scaling is bad but then preceeds to jerk off New Vegas despite the game literally being braindead easy after you get past level 5
have a nice day, braindead homosexual
Hi fabio you pathetic guinea, how was your ban?
holy fricking rent free
take your meds
>does the same shit everyday
>gets called out
>NOO YOUR CRAZY ITS NOT ME RENT FREE
This is the first cry of every desperate moron that gets called out.
you are so mentally ill, take your meds you fricking schizo
>NOOO STOP CALLING ME OUT YOURE CRAZY
Yes because dedicated schizos spamming the same shit in a website known for attracting deranged misanthropic autists is definitely something that doesn’t exist. Stop coping and have a nice day already homosexual.
meds now
>med meds med rent free meds
Keep coping, the more you say this shit the more obvious it is that it’s (You). No one would be this dedicated to saying that someone that accused them of being a schizo is crazy unless they take personal offense. But why would that be? If you’re just another anon that should be like me calling you a homosexual which is as common as anything else yet you’re getting so fricking angry about it for some reason.
>glitches
it's just using stealth boys lol, imagine being this braindead
>developers giving players autonomy to go do the things they want to do is LE BAD
it is because it turns exploration into a chore more than anything else
while good open world games rely on a risk & reward system to make exploration challenging and thrilling, level scaling on the other hand removes all of that, exploration boils down to picking a random direction, press W and turn your brain off because it's done in a way nothing can really challenge you
it's perfect for toddlers which is why mentally handicapped morons like you love it so much
>it's just using stealth boys
yeah the 1 guaranteed stealth boy off that Black person joe cobb? the stealth boy that runs out after 10 seconds of use and I have to hope the shitty ai doesnt aggro? That stealth boy? But no your putting way to much effort into it when you could easily just go north of goodsprings and scale the hills the cazadors cant get up to since the ai as stated before is completely fricking braindead
>it is because it turns exploration into a chore more than anything else
>new vegas troony thinks exploring fun dungeons is a chore
well its good to know you homosexuals would prefer a walking simulator instead
>while good open world games rely on a risk & reward system to make exploration challenging and thrilling
Yeah dude New Vegas is known for how difficult it is after you leave the tutorial area at level 5
>press W and turn your brain off because it's done in a way nothing can really challenge you
>this Black person unironically thinks new vegas is a difficult game
unironically just stop playing video games if you cant even play the Fallout walking fetch quest simulator, dumb Black
Nobody is seriously giving BoS a free pass.
>Troonout 3
>fun dungeons
2/10 bait.
>yeah the 1 guaranteed stealth boy
There is one in the school house moron, and if you need more than one to get past the deathclaws you have brain damage.
Dumb ESLBlack person.
>the 1 guaranteed stealth boy off that Black person joe cobb? the stealth boy that runs out after 10 seconds of use
confirmed pleb, unironically git gud
>fun dungeons
all of them boil down to a bunch of randomly spawned enemies in a generic interior, skeletons in funny poses and a loot chest at the end
>troon vegays drones dont know what fun dungeons are because there is literally 0 of them in the mojave since the design philosophy is to prioritize subpar writing over players having fun since the actual gameplay experience only becomes available once you start doing the dlcs
lol
>Nobody is seriously giving BoS a free pass.
but I thought Bethesda could be the only ones to make bad fallout games? Are you implying Obsidian and Black Isle make mistakes? Why arent you towing the party line, comrade?
you sound mind broken
walk away from these discussions and threads, nv is much better than 3 or 4 but it doesn't matter. just walk away
>nv is much better than 3 or 4 but it doesn't matter
you need to go back
It’s fabio, he’s been mindbroken since 2019.
copy pasted metro tunnels or office buildings with generic enemies and loot aren't fun
remember all the shit you got to do in North and East Vegas, Westside, Boulder City, Jacobstown, Nellis AFB, and etc. Man I remember all the fun gameplay there is to be had there since those areas were so interesting and distinct to explore with so much content to consume
>fabio once again showing he hasn’t played the game
>continues crying and spamming shitjaks to cope.
Pottery
People don't get worked up over brotherhood of steel because nobdy even remembers it existed, if it came out today and was fresh in peoples minds they'd talk about it likes its ride to hell retribution
>just because fallout 3 dared to not give any structure to their game
/qa/ lost.
More like:
>sure - you can conquer the west but the west heavily depends on the NCR which would force you to garnison troops everywhere and weaken your position in the east
>there are also people within your own faction that want to see you removed and you should take care of that before wasting your time with more conquests that will just end up benefiting your enemies at the end of the day
>or simply convincing him that he made it that far because you the courier - who won every battle so far - wanted him to be there and that he is running into a trap
I'm playing through it for the first time right now and so far it's just okay. I prefer Fallout 3 currently. It does look nice though.
>mediocre tv show comes out
>Ganker gets flooded with garbage like this
every time
it's almost like all the threads are bait
I mean it worked wonders for Cyberpunk.
Video games are like stock market, the actual objective value of speculation does not matter, only the preception.
i WANT TO COUNT HER NIPPLES
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
"really good despite is flaws" sounds like a polite way of saying "it's dogshit but my standards are low enough that I like it"
New Vegas is fricking BORING
It's all just running from one side to another just to talk to some dry faction and do some busy work for them
I'm helping Yes Man right now, talking to Boomers and they're literally just asking me to repair some shit, listen to some kid talk about their history and other meandering shit
Why the FRICK can't I just tell Yes Man that I want to nuke every single faction in the game without having gone over to them and done their chores for them?
>New Vegas is fricking BORING
filtered
Yeah I'm getting filtered by falling asleep to this snore fest
You know what's fricking boring, when every nook and cranny is dedicated to some quirky gimmick that makes no sense in the greater world. Go back to Fallout 3, homosexual.
What makes it "really good"? Articulate your thoughts.
thats like saying anal is really good because you only experience sticking a dildo up your ass.
It's better than the outer worlds, but to quote james rolfe
>that's like saying the shit i took last night was better than the shit i took this morning
well i would worry if my shit was rainbow colored instead of just a regular shit color.
the game kinda sucks, but its also pretty much the only game of its kind, an open world shooter
>its also pretty much the only game of its kind, an open world shooter
There's plenty of open world FPS, Far Cry and STALKER to name a few
The former is much more polished than Fallout despite being Ubislop
The latter blows Bethesda Fallout out of the water in all regards
>Far Cry
debatable, far cry these days is more of a crafting survival game than a shooter.
>stalkerino
Unless you are talking about the original one(s), and I know you aren't, stalker is more of a hubslop game than true open world.
>far cry these days is more of a crafting survival game than a shooter
So just like Fallout 4?
>stalker is more of a hubslop game than true open world
STALKER is as open world as it gets, it's just that rather than having a single worldspace, it's divided into smaller levels, but that's just a different approach to the same concept.
>[BORING]
>[BORING]
>[SARCASTING MARVEL QUIP]
>[HATE NEWSPAPERS]
such a mystery why startfield ended up how it did
the writing was as bad in FO4 too
>Codsworth..... my house vitals....... oh no no no no no...
exactly what I meant
it's been terrible for a long long time
>>[HATE NEWSPAPERS]
This gay loves newspapers.
It's the only game I stopped playing out of sheer boredom, it sucks
If I liked fallout 3 but hated new vegas would I like fallout 4?
I don't know how you could like 3 but hate NV. Pirate it and try it
F3 was my first Bethesda game so the novelty of being able to go into every house, interact with every object and talk to every npc was still novel. The scenery was more varied and the journey felt more substantial.
Ultimately, new Vegas felt like replaying F3 without any novelty and on a smaller scale, the writing and lore was only impressive for old school fans of the IP. I'm wondering if fallout 4 is truly awful or if its just something new vegas and F1-2 fans dislike.
FO4 changes the formula of 3 a little by removing RPG elements and focusing more on looting, crafting, building and some loose faction stuff added to the main story. Other than that, it is the same thing so I don't know what to tell you. Pirate it, give it 4 hours or so and see if you like it.
Look it’s fine for what it is but after waiting all those years after after 3 and NV just for this was extremely disappointing
>play fallout 4
>it's mid garbage
>play outer worlds
>it's better in every single way
Todd got mogged. Deal with it.
Nah, i love to shit on Bethesda but Outer Worlds is shit as well and the game convinced me that modern Obsidian is incapable of making a game on the level of New Vegas or KOTOR 2 again.
>make a game to capitalize the popularity of new vegas
>don't give the project to the people who made new vegas
It is obvious why it isn't another new vegas
>entire marketing campaign relies on FROM THE DEVS OF NEW VEGAS
>almost nobody who worked there was even there for NV
the red flags were there
i played it about 4 years ago, some was alright, I really liked the power armor but the story was moronic and miss the old janky motor from 3 and nv. 6/10 would play again if for some reason cant play 3 or nv
Its pretty solid open world game imo, yeah its hated on for too much, meanwhile your average jrpg trash gets tolerated
Spent all day kissing it and have played it for a few hours. It’s not as bad as I remembered 10 years ago. But it’s hardly impressive. If you know it’s siblings you can’t shake the knowledge that it will always be the inferior lesser compared to them.
This. Just mod it to be however you want gameplay-wise, but you can't expect it to have a good story or interesting locations, which was the whole point of previous fallout games.
How about that kneecapped dialogue tree, homosexual? Wow this game is secretly great when your responses are "yes, yes sarcastically, maybe but actually yes, and no but forced yes anyway". Wow it's secretly great playing glorified minecraft with junk items. Wow it's secretly great when SPECIAL means nothing except unlocking perks. Wow it's secretly great when crippled limbs magically heal themselves and have almost nonexistent negative effects for the ten seconds you're afflicted with them. Wow it's secretly great when there's no karma system. Wow it's secretly great when you dive into Kellogg's brain and have to sit through unskippable drivel to get out. Wow it's secretly great when OP sucked all those wieners in the great homosexual war.
>the moron poojeet spammer is here
Oh shit, it was good discussion while it lasted
>game is actually really shit
>nuGanker praises it for the sake of fotm shitposting drama
It's a good game, just not a good Fallout game
As someone who played it recently it is quite good, it's also quite shameful how bad Starfield is compared to it.
The raw gameplay is totally satisfying and it is kinda funny that you can bring peace to the island in dawn harbor among the 3 factions and then totally ruin it by turning off the fog machines.
>>game is actually really good despite its flaws
no. it might be fun despite it's flaws, but a good game it is not.
3 was a 'good' game despite it's numerous flaws because it actually functions like an rpg.
>only RPGs can be good
When the series is an rpg, yes.
No such thing as a RPG series, it's just a franchise, a name. It can be whatever and still be good.
>It can be whatever and still be good
then they should have picked 1 thing and stuck with it. fo4 is a bastard child
All East Coash Shartouts are trash.
I didn’t like it. In my opinion it fails as a Fallout game.
>perk chart is heavily front loaded so just making a generalist build is OP as frick and does almost everything, and you can just add special later to do something else when you want
>major gameplay mechanic involves scrounging for literal trash to funnel into workbenches
>crafting system is linear and uninteresting
>put on a few dense or padded mods on your armor and the only thing that will ever kill you, sudden explosive damage, stops being an issue even on survival
>almost no towns because they want you to build everything yourself
>every other character is some annoying gimmick
The gunplay is better than a 360 game that didn't even have good gunplay for the period it released in THOUGH!!!
>put on a few dense or padded mods on your armor and the only thing that will ever kill you, sudden explosive damage, stops being an issue even on survival
you haven't played survival. Legendary enemies are frequent and they will melt you
I hate the settlement bullshit. At most we should be able to buy a pre made home and furnish it/change it on the outside.
You can do that
I didn't grow up playing old fallout or anything, I just found Fallout 4 fricking boring.
Ada, Pam or Kleo? Default part of course, otherwise Ada wins by default
>settlement building system
>everything looks like utter run down garbage bc we have to cram the aesthetic even when it doesn't really make sense
>the system itself is fricking pointless
and no I don't care if there's a mod to fix it, that attitude is a huge reason why shartfield flopped
I fricking hate that shit, like why the frick would they actively build something like that? I mean I get if they were desperate but I’m coming in with enough concrete, metal, and glass to build a fricking skyscraper and have the ability to build a fricking fusion reactor. Yet everything still looks like shit.
it's even more insulting bc the moronic intro to the game shows they spent some time on making a gimmicky but clean look for buildings and such
it's just so braindead
its good with mods
it's fricking boring and everyone looks the same
>Everyone on Ganker agrees Fallout 4 is the worst Fallout
>Fallout TV show releases
>Fallout 4 was good
Is there some kind of subliminal brainwashing going on here?
Shills and schizos, the usual affair when anything related to bethesda comes out.
all I've learned is that the "engoodening" meme needs to be put to rest
No, Fallout 4 was NOT "good"
Bethesdrones are still seething.
>Is there some kind of subliminal brainwashing going on here?
people that always liked it come out of the woodworks to assert it "was always good and better than the others" or to troll new vegas fans after what the show did
I like how the new Fallout TV show is actually good and turning around opinion on FO4 and FO76.
Todd unironically won.
this but the complete oppposite
You lost.
i lost nothing, 4 fricking sucks
Who the frick is playing Fallout Shelter? Isn't that a gacha phone game?
shhhh all of it is totally organic
Are you implying Todd paid for server farms to idle thousands of phone instances of FO Shelter?
that would cost maybe 100 dollars, so yes
it's people playing on fricking steam so it clearly isn't real
Do you not play video games on Steam?
FO Shelter was released on PC too, dummies
what's that other chink gacha fo shelter clone
The other one is called Fallout Shelter Online, don't know how it is but I doubt it's good. It has some nice art though
The original is just building and managing shit, it doesn't have gacha systems. It's not bad if you use Cheat Engine to add the currency to finish quests and projects quickly.
unless you're on todd's payroll then you lost too
holy shit.
>4 on rock bottom sale
>theyre literally giving keys away for 76, whose keys are already dirt cheap
>theyre literally giving keys away for 76
What, where? I never bothered to buy it but I could try it if it's free. Google doesn't show anything.
amazon prime which every college student in the world has a reduced price subscription to, steam also has a free trial for another day and 16 hours
>NV still not on the list
face it screeching troony
you're the loud minority
>The gameplay of FO4 is great! Much better than FO3 and New Vegas.
The gameplay of FO4, which seems to be it's only saving grace and even then only when compared to other Gamebryo titles, would be bare minimum in any other game.
That's the problem with Betheshit, when they do something people consider praiseworthy it's them catching up to the rest of the industry. They were trendsetters 20 years ago, now all the shit that carried them is becoming commonplace and their edge is completely gone.
i barely remember anything about Fo4 "gameplay" other than spending hours spamming weapon mods
what the hell is supposed to be good about it
>what the hell is supposed to be good about it
It's better than FO3s combat.
This is the standard people judge Bethesda games to. Thank fricking god Starfield finally lifted the veil from these people.
>worse combat than 3
>worse story than 3
>worse aesthetics than 3
>worse radio than 3
>worse npcs than 3
>worse factions than 3
>worse rpgs mechanics than 3
>worse combat than 3
Stopped reading there, you don't need to be this dishonest to shit on FO4
the responsiveness is worse in fallout 4 there's always a noticeable delay for bullet reg
Never noticed that but even if it exist, it doesn't beat Fallout 3's short-ranged sniper rifles, bullets coming from the centre of the screen like arrows did in Oblivion, shit bullet spread and so on.
that's fair, i just wish they could make it more seamless but the gamebyro is really showing in the newer bethesda titles
>Completely uninterested in playing Fallout 4 after how much of a stinker 3 was
>Get a bunch of VR shit to play some games with friends
>The only big fully-fledged RPG games are bethesda shit
>Watch some shit about F4VR
>With mods it looks like a lot of fun
If you hated 3 for the right reasons your are going to loathe 4.
I liked the game but i wish it focused on quality over quantity for the settlements.
Like instead of having 30 small settlements let us have 3-5 large settlements.
And make building resources more based on production than looting.
I never liked having to loot every single piece of trash in a RPG and Fallout 4 made it a core mechanic.
I didn't really enjoy any of the FO games.
FO4 was the best though. A 7/10.
FO1 and FO2 are both terrible shitpiles.
Good morning, sirs.
>tries to be an RPG with but has shitty dumbed down RPG mechanics with little to no actual roleplaying in the world no character builds
>tries to be a base builder with ugly and redundant base building mechanics
>tries to be a looter shooter but the result of looting and shooting are both mediocre at best due to lame crafting options and stale available weapons
There's virtually no good element to this game and I'm dumbfounded to how anyone can find this game appealing or worth defending.
Join the Enclave.
Shit, I was just thinking of asking, how is America Rising 2? So many threads these past few days made me want to play it sooner than I thought.
any good enclave mods for FO4?
https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/75767
Now I want a small story of Enclave survivors in the East Coast.
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Obsidian didnt make Fallout 1 you fricking moron also
>east cant west
>win
amazing writing
>"I AM THE ENCLAVE"
Seethe
>east cant west
>surrender now and be executed for failure like graham
>win game
bravo obsidian peak writing
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Cope Todd
>BEAR BULL BEAR BULL BEAR BULL BEAR BULL BULL BEAR BLACK BULL
wow that was so fricking deep dude
>I play games for the dialogue
I play RPGS for the writing, yes.
>I play games for the writing
same
>i don't play RPG's for the writing
do you also read books for the pictures?
RPGs are played for the RPG mechanics, not for the writing. Praising the writing of a RPG is like praising the frame of the Mona Lisa, it's superfluous shit that leads to movie games.
If I want writing I read a book or, at worst, "play" a VN kek
It’s a good game when you don’t got a new vegas baby in your ear screeching how it’s not nv
>most of the criticism of the game are that it’s poorly written, underdeveloped, and overall not an RPG
>this makes it not NV
They just own themselves at this point.
Wow, so you enjoy eating slot just to own the new vegas boogeyman?
>says people don’t like it because it’s not NV
>point out criticism of game
>according to him this makes it unlike NV
>can’t argue and cries about boogeymen for some reason
Your words chimp.
The worldbuilding is good, but most of the quests suck and the game itself is souless. It's basically fetch quest after fetch quest and the settlement thing is lame.
>The worldbuilding is good
Super Mutants exist in the region because discount Big MT released them for the lulz
>the worldbuilding is good
the depths that bethedsa drones stoop to is kinda insane
This game is trash and you should genuinely have a nice day if you like it.
I'm 20 hours in and is there any reason to not side with the Brotherhood of Steel?
>Institute: Want to replace humans with synths, frick them
>Railroad: the LGBT+ BLM of Fallout, frick them
>Minutemen: lmao
morons claim the BoS has turned evil and fascist because they want to kill the poor syntherinos, but that's it. Anyone else sides with the BoS
I sided with the institute because frick all of those morons. The future of humanity is not in a wasteland.
if you have GOTY edition, then do Nuka World and frick the entire Commonweath with your raider bros
The Institute is literally the best faction for the commonwealth you fricking moron
they dont want to replace humanity with synths they literally regard synths as slaves that just do the bidding of humans and thats their purpose they only replace people who are of note and dont do what they ask
minutemen ending is canon
Nothing there indicates the Minutemen ending is canon.
it means it wasn't blown up in fallout 4
Which can also mean BoS ending is canon, dummy. The Minutemen don't have to exist at all
I hate the fricking Prydwin so much, not because it exists but what it represents. It’s basically allows the Brotherhood to show anywhere at any time and start fricking around in the region. It’s basically the in universe engine that Bethesda uses to shove the BOS into everything Fallout related.
??? Huh? Don't you have to shoot down the Prydwen if you side with the Minutemen?
Prydwen existing means that BoS won
They'll write out Maxson by making him overlord of the Commonwealth or died offscreen
With all the Minutemen music in the final two episodes they're going to show up in California/Nevada as well
>With all the Minutemen music in the final two episodes they're going to show up in California/Nevada as well
>the minutemen flag is going to fly over new vegas
GENERAL LUCY
ANOTHER SETTLEMENT IN THE MOJAVE NEEDS YOUR HELP, I'VE MARKED IT IN YOUR MAP
What are the chances they'll do an actual bit where the girl will complain he says that too much?
remind me again why the frick the minutegays do shit like use crank laser pistols and wear revolutionary war outfits?
literally just because they wanted a larp faction like new vegas but without actually thinking about it?
>remind me again why
Every SINGLE faction in ALL the games except the supermutants are a bunch of upjumped bandits larping as something that looked cool in an old poster that didnt completely burn.
>the minutemen flag is going to fly over new vegas
TODD WON
>>With all the Minutemen music in the final two episodes
You misspelled Enclave music.
>Prydwen existing means that BoS won
No it doesn't. The Minutemen can side with the BoS, easily. Play Fallout 4.
You blow up the Prydwen even if you side with the Minutemen.
You can blow it up. You can also ally with the BOS and kill the Railroad or be allied to both.
You only get asked to destroy the Brotherhood with the Minutemen if you happen to be enemies with them after you've blown up the Institute with the Minutemen. Most people usually get this quest because they either went too far along the Railroad/Institute questline or they killed Maxson for his coat. So tell me how Deacon's been synth loving commie b***h.
It's pretty obvious the canon ending is the one where Nora is the Sole Survivor who goes on to unite the Minutemen, Brotherhood, and the Railroad for the betterment of the Commonwealth. This is also the "Secret Minuteman Ending" where you can have all the companions except the Black Corser (No big loss he has no personality).
>Its le good looter shooter!
1. The shooting is ass.
>But it is better than 3 and new vegas!
Okay? Is that supposed to be a high bar?
2. The looting is ass. I sure do love 1000 pounds of literal garbage for settlements I don't care about and ANOTHER pipe rifle.
3. A "good looter shooter" is an oxymoron.
It's incredible how this is the same company that made Morrowind.
Most of the people that made Morrowind are gone.
What company retains all their personnel over 20 years?
The industry you grew up with is dead, moron.
I mean, I think 4 is ass but what company has the same exact employees several decades later?
Bethesda now isn't the same company as Bethesda then, just like 99% of all other game devs.
Its a nice action/FPS, its one of the shittiest RPG’s made in the last couple of years. Like even Starfield has more roleplaying in it (not much).
At launch it was bad. Thanks to it's dlc and mods though, it got redeemed.
"good with mods" is never a selling point no matter how hard bethesda tries to make it a thing
Literally what is good? No really. Because its not the story, the dialogue, the music, the gameplay, the character building, the world building, the "dungeons" or anything else I can list. The game is a step down in every way from its predecessor with the sole exception of the almost entirely RP act of making settlements, which was a half assed addition.
They won't answer this because they never can.
the music is good, the gameplay is pretty good too. Exploration is pretty fun the first time and I'd say the colony building/ rebuilding america is pretty cool concept.
The music is mediocre at best. There isn't a single standouttrack in the whole thing. And the gameplay is not anything good. Its barely serviceable. It doesn't do anything that could be considered good against any peer it has.
Exploration is only fun if your idea of good exploration is random boring broken buildings every once in a while. It doesnt even have as many good vaults as 3 and NV did.
What is good gameplay in your mind? Who are it's peers? Very few games mimic what fallout do.
Also it's a wasteland of america.
Well, a first person looter shooter. Because that is what it is. And it does it worse. I mean an obvious competitor would be the Borderlands games, which all have much better gameplay, as an example.
Borderlands? They're noting alike.
they're both looter shooters through and through
Really? They aren't looter shooters with first person shooting combat? Thats interesting.
What are they anon? Explain it to me.
They're alike in that everyone prefers 1 and 2 over 3, at least
Except you’re not rebuilding, nothing changes, everything stays more or less the same other than now there are dozens of ramshackle settlements with fusion generators, twenty water pumps, and the occasional minute patrols.
>pls redeem the unbelievably generic as always inon zur score
who do you think you're convincing
The gameplay is shit and the exploration is worse than FO3. I can’t even play Survival because it takes out fast travel, which makes the game inevitably mind numbingly dull.
the gameplay is the best yet, which was set at a low bar to begin with
the story however is atrociously plain however, even with voiced lines, i find myself falling asleep
that's got to be one of the worst indictments of a video game, they're supposed to be fun and/or captivating in some way, but fallout 4 puts me to sleep
>plays the game 30 years later when everything has been patched and the game has 4 DLCs
>fallout 3 with better graphics, ADS, stupid RPG gun leveling system instead of a mechanics based one
Why the frick did they add gun building when there's basically only one tree to build the guns into? Short barrel with big mag pipe gun is completely useless at high level.
Did they ever add the ability to put the diablo loot drop mods on weapons directly or is that still mod only? I remember it pissing me off on release I needed the perfect gun with the perfect mod to just drop and I had no control.
>game runs like shit and crashes on hardware that's too new
>you have to spend at least a couple hours modding it to make it playable
that's probably why they're updating it.
Will they update the VR version? I thought not. Frick Bethesda.
I've literally only ever crashed I think three times, and I have over 1k hours. Other than buffout, I'm not using any skse plugins that change how the engine works.
Fallout is an rpg that became a looter shooter
Borderlands was always a lootershooter that's just about shooting
and as cringe as borderlands writing is, it also does infinitely better at the le quirky dialogue bs than bethesda keeps desperately trying to do
except for borderlands 3 of course
[insert image of the elevator "joke" from starfield here]
Yes, borderlands does it's gameplay better because that's all it is.
Fallout is more than it's shooting and looting, it's also a colony builder, with different endings and factions you can side with. It's also made with replayablity in mind with character building.
>GOTY edition
>Didn't win GOTY
I hope Todd does this again with Starfield it will be even funnier.
There's dozens of small magazines and shit all around the world, and as long as they win 1 of them they can call it a GOTY.
Not like TGA's GOTYs are worth anything anyway, but still.
can we rangeban indians already?
please buy bethedsa games that feel like they came out in 2007
my white e-waifu is starving
>Writing and lore adherence is shit.
>Gameplay is alright.
I've thousands of hours across Fallout games, and I can tell you there is literally no reason to play Fallout 4 over Fallout 76. 76 now unironically has better quests, better writing, better visuals, better locations, better environmental storytelling, better guns, better enemies, etc etc.
I've never actually played 4 beyond the intro, but I liked Fallout 3. How does it compare?
4 is better in everything except RPG mechanics, that are almost gone entirely.
How do the actual quests compare? The reason I'll always hold Oblivion over Skyrim is that despite its mechanical shortcomings I actually remember the distinct questlines it had.
they're mostly shit
there's a few good ones but that's it
Yeah, quantity over quality being the mark of Bethesda after Skyrim's success was my general fear
4 has the exact same problems as Skyrim on crack.
To stress how bad it is in 4, Far Harbor, the DLC has a single skill check where you can use medicine to save a guy and a single whodunit questline.
This was enough for people to hail it as a massive improvement over base game FO4. Almost every single fricking quest in the game is go place, kill everything, maybe a skill check to see if you skip killing everyone in one instance.
>skill check
sorry, by "skill check" i mean speech check because that's the only skill that ever matters.
All skill checks dont matter.
>" i mean speech check
Charisma check you mean. There is no speech in FO4.
3 seems to have more quests, but i'm still on my nu-playthrough. i'd say a lot are better than 4's quests on average
3 is honestly better as bethesda game's go
>writing is somewhat better than 3's but still suffers from railroading and bewildering major writing decisions that are at points, even worse
>quest design is the worst in the series to the point that far harbor having a non-speech skill check and a quest that isn't dungeon speech check was considered worthy of praise
>map is simultaneously incredibly dense and feels incredibly barren because there is rarely anything worth finding because worthwhile loot is randomized and most quests outside of actual important settlements are radiant (I.E fricking worthless)
this game sux
what happened to the shame of playing f4 / f76
people lost their shame for playing NV and have elevated it from 'good despite its flaws' to 'good'. I spoke with a person yesterday who tried to explain to me that NV had good combat that is not bad combat because unlike FO3 it has cazadors, as if that was the major problem with the oblivion-with-guns combat system.
>shame of playing fallout 76
internet shitstorian's 'the engoodening of no man's sky' and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race
It's not though, it's a dumbshit copy of what it should be just like Skyrim tries to be an epic fantasy RPG. It's fine if you're brainless enough to enjoy that but let's not pretend it's something that it's not
Todd nuked the NCR because the Minutemen will show up in Season 2's ending.
They're all black too.
>REEEEE NOT AN RPGEEEE
What's hilarious is that people said this about FO4 when the most celebrated RPG of the time--The Witcher 3--didn't even have builds or loot economy or companions. People whined about FO4 only have 4 dialogue choices but TW3 rarely has more than 3.
So in my (4X Chad) opinion it's pretty obvious what's going on. RPG fans are a bunch of pseuds. You looked at TW3's convoluted UX with stats everywhere and thought "man, this game must have super deep and complex gameplay" then looked at FO4's streamlined/user friendly UX and thought "these menus look really simple so the gameplay must be simple". You never actually explored the game mechanics deeply enough to figure out how anything worked in practice.
Play the fricking game you moron
I did.
>GOTY Edition
But it was never a Game of The Year, nor any review site said that.
It won the DICE and BAFTA
jesus
I wonder how much money did they paid them
You've got it backwards. TW3 won all the journalist and media awards. FO4 won the legit ones.
I can't believe this is the same company that made Daggerfall...
>game is shit
>thread is shit
>op sucks dick
>WATCH OUT BROS FOTHM BOY HERE COMING THROUGH WITH A HOT TAKE, YOU BETTER LISTEN CLOSELY.
Friend of me gif me the game but i am not interest that much but if this mod get ever finish i will give it a check
Wait, are they trying to get Krystal's VA to record lines for ANOTHER game?
I have it on pc, and I just get a blank screen. Guess I'll have to play the ps4 version
Fallout 4 is not good and you cannot tell me otherwise without lying
I hate how cluttered and full the map feels, I like having a lot of things to explore and do, but being less than thirsty seconds from something to do takes me out of the experience, it feels too gamey.
I had a similar issue with Dragon's Dogma 2 and the roads that are littered with fodder mobs, I don't mind walking, I'm not a ADHD mongoloid who needs something to do every second.
I don't know what you're talking about, the only real cluttered area is the whole mess that's raider and mutant infested areas east of diamond city, up to the coast.
Is your complaint the map feels too small? I had the same feeling, until you realize that your character's default 'walk' speed is basically x3 times faster than 3/NV. The map itself is as large as 3 and bigger than skyrim's but your character moves at sanic speeds so it feels smaller. Plus I heard that the game treats the overworld as curved in it's calculations and mechanics, so walking around on the edges of the map might change how fast time goes/your character speed. Not sure how accurate that information is though.
GEE, I WONDER IF ONE OF THE FEW WESTERN GAMES THATS HAD THOUSANDS OF THREADS IN /vg/ IS GOOD? HMMM GUESS WE'LL NEVER FRICKING KNOW!!
That is the gayest reaction image I've seen in a long time, you are an unfathomable homosexual.
I'm going to close this thread now, I might even just stop browsing this site for the night.
You make me sick.
Also FO4 sucks.
playing fallout 4 as nate the rake made it 1000x more fun
>Nate the Rake with America Rising
The ultimate Fallout experience
Exploring is fun. The story is fricking awful. Literally zero thought is out into anything. There's even a part in a flashback where a character mentions a character that doesn't fricking exist yet.
>There's even a part in a flashback where a character mentions a character that doesn't fricking exist yet.
Who?
It's been forever since I played, but at one point you delve into the memories of the bald guy that shot your wife. He mentions Shaun as the synth faction leader WAY before he would have assumed that position.
Ah, I know what you mean. He mentions "the old man", which is intentionally misleading but doesn't necessarily means Shaun as the only old man.
you really think Emil was trying to be clever and didn't just write some dumb shit without thinking?
Eh, maybe. Honestly, both things are possible. Even an attempt to make it misleading isn't very clever since there's no reason to mislead the players, you're not meant to know anything about the Institute's leader at that point, if it's an old man or a young woman or anything. Who knows with that guy.
That sums up every single bethesda game ever. And yes, I'm including morrowind. Every single game from Arena up to present day, just shallow, deep as a puddle, poorly thought out, games that people latch onto and act like they're better than they really are. Sub par graphics, sub par quests, sub par animations, sub par everything. The only difference now is that people can easily mod their games into something else completely different and pretend that the base vanilla game isn't lackluster at all.
>shit weapon designs
>terrible dialogue
>unnecessary building mechanic (they really wanted the minecraft community)
>pointless settlement system
>changing lore to appease your chinese lords
>even shittier DLC
I bought this on the PS4 when it first released. Made it to where I killed Kellogg, and lost interest traded that sucker in for UFC 2. Still can't even get into it to bland if I need 100 mods to make it "good" its a shit game.
>posts cherry picked example where the writers only wanted 1 answer but the higher ups told them they NEEDED 4 answers because of the dialpgue wheel
the whole game is like that, anon - it's not 'cherry picked'
Post your play time homosexual.
>duuuuude I played like part of the main quest and now think the rest of the game is like that too
why are you so insecure, anon? everyone knows the dialogue in Fallout 4 is dogshit
not him but he posted three "cherries" while you've provided no counterexamples and even trying to insult having less playtime... quite daring especially since that mod specifically shows the exact dialogue you're choosing like the preceding games.
also i'll say that i tried playing FO4 honestly a year or two ago and dropped it because of a quest bugging and stopping any chance to proceed.
*Sarcastic*
>shitty show comes out
>people eat up the game no matter how shit it is
it happened to league of legends, cyberpunk and now fallout. Why is that?
what mods should i use thats kind of vanilla+ but also not straight up broken and unbalanced?
Grounded Commonwealth mod gives the most vanilla experience possible.
anon i have no issue with the diversity and characters of fallout 4
Crime and punishment. Adds back karma, and adds bounty hunters/hunting.
Any (modern) alt start mod.
Be exceptional. It adds back skills and overhauls the perk system to be less moronic.
I made a mod that makes (most) actions require AP, don't know if anyone has ever released something like that.
Transfer settlements. Now you won't have to waste your time re-re-re-re-building your favorite settlement, or messing with other settlement mods to automate things.
Nuka world settlements. Makes several areas in nuka world a settlement, helping the map feel much less empty.
fallout4 players be like
Gott'em!!