Before you insult me, read this:
>your face and government ID would not be stored locally, all of it would be deleted after verification
>this would single handedly end cheaters, bots, smurfs and ban evaders
>this would have saved TF2, WoW, OSRS and dozens of other games
>the risk of leaks is zero because THE DATA IS NOT SAVED LOCALLY
Is there any reason to be against this other than sheer tech illiteracy?
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This but only for mmos or any other online game where you make a highly customizable avatar. If you're a male, you can only make male characters and vice versa.
I would give them my voting history too so I don't have to play with moronic Trump voters
Frick yes, that's a great idea.
I'm slow, how would this end cheaters and bots?
sell it to me, wine and dine me Sir
You cheat once and you're branded as a cheater for the rest of your life.
If they don't keep your data after you sign up, how are they going to enforce that?
I'm not OP so I have no idea. I would imagine that OP is a big dumbdumb
they don't store it - locally. So they store it, but just not on "their" servers. They just send it to google instead!
>Your verification data won't be saved.
this is what they say
it won't be saved by anyone
what exactly is stopping you from creating 30 gaming accounts, using the same face every time, just changing your name
see
this anon explained way better than me, you can't use duplicate faces, I guess you could ask your mom to do the verification for you or something though? But that's a lot of effort for cheating in a video game, and good luck creating mass bot nests like in OSRS.
That means they're saving the data you fricking moron.
It also means some people won't be allowed just because they look similarly. Like twins.
Unless they save EVEN MORE DATA!
Now THAT is reaching. Twins aren't exact; just close. The sensors will probably be able to tell. You can't just slap on a cartoon mask of Richard Nixon and, play his snoy games.
you store it sub locally
Steam does exactly that with it's VAC system and doesn't ask for any proof of ID
>can only have one account per government ID
>because it is hard to fabricate government IDs, the ability to ban evade would be severely limited, thus making it borderline impossible
It would single handedly end mass produced bots that plague TF2, OSRS and WoW
As for cheaters, I guess you could create another account with your girlfriend's ID or whatever, but it would be much harder.
>anon supports anonymous, AI-responsible verification without storing any data locally
>"w-well if you support this post your picture for all humans to see in this website that will store it for decades!"
oh, then this sounds like a good idea. can we raise the minimum online gaming age to 21 too. I want to gut the zoomerkin out of this hobby.
>AI-responsible verification without storing any data locally
Sony has a long fricking history of data breaches, and yeah if you support this you should die on the hill and post your face right now.
Anon the only data that leaks in data breaches is data that is stored locally
If Sony is saying "we won't store your picture locally" then they won't store your picture locally, therefore it can't leak
do you even know what "locally" means? If they are storing it, it can be leaked. No exceptions. The only thing that changes is who explicitly is responsible for the leak. Be it Sony, or the third party provider that Sony contracted to store this data.
Plus, it's being transmitted over the internet. How do you know their servers havent been pwned? How do you know your connection is end-to-end encrypted? Sure, you got that SSL cert in place. That means nothing if you are on public wifi.
They are not storing it anon
Let me give you an example
Let's say you give me a piece of paper with your picture in it. I look at this piece of paper and then burn it.
Now you are afraid that a thief will come to my house and steal your picture. I am trying to explain to you that this is impossible, I burned the picture, it is gone. Understand?
Ok but that's not whats happening.
You have a box that was given to you by sony. Sony has written a message in this box saying "Hi, please make a copy of your ID and put it in this box. Then, hand it to the mail man to give it to us in a different city"
So you put it in the box. You use the lock that came with the box, assuming that Sony put it in there because it has sony's badge on it. You hand the box to the mailman and they say "We're taking this to Sony", they turn the corner and your box is gone.
Now, you don't know where that box is going precisely. You know its going to a certain address, but you don't know if that's its final destination or just one of many hops along the way. You also don't know if anyone saw you put your ID into the box.
You don't even see Sony open the box. You just have to trust that sony is being honest when they say they're the only ones opening the box, looking at the copy of your ID, and then destroying it, and that nobody at all intercepted it along the way.
Learn how the internet works, you fricking idiot.
Considering what snoy has done that trust is in fact not warranted. Hell, we're at a negative level of trust with them at this point and any entity needs to be far past the point of trustworthy and showing they've earned that trust before that sort of stuff should be talk about.
>what is https
>what are dozens of other security protocols that I can't even tell you because I am too uneducated to know them, but educated enough to know they exist
Trust me anon it is not a simple task to intercept data on the internet
Breaching into a database and leak its contents is one thing, intercepting data on the fly is a whole different beast that basically never happens unless there are backdoors in play, AND EVEN THEN they can easily code the facial verification system so that not even the corporation doing the verification has readable access to the data
>Trust me anon it is not a simple task to intercept data on the internet
Ok, there it is, this thread has to be bait and OP is a genuine glowie.
t. cybersecurity wage slave
he's right though, in order to hijack someone's PC you need to get into their system locally. the reason beyond that is that people fall prey to phishing schemes (go to the wrong website)
How can you work in cybersecurity and believe he is wrong? What a fraud
>what is https
Ah yes, because they put the word "secure" on something it means that I can trust what the other end of the connection says
Listen very carefully.
HTTPS only secures the transport of data from endpoint to endpoint. Once it hits Sony's reverse proxy (or at least, what you THINK is Sony's reverse proxy), it's unencrypted before being bounced around internally until it reaches its final destination.
You could connect to the website for my TF2 servers right now, you think you're connecting to a single IP address, a single server, and thats that. What you don't know is that once it's received by my reverse proxy, i have various redirection rules that firstly recreates the request on HTTP to internal services, maybe even bouncing to a different server altogether, before ultimately coming back to the reverse proxy for a response. Sometimes there are several reverse proxies working in tandem. Look up "Traefik", its one of many reverse proxies.
Additionally, you assume that your device isn't pwned. You assume their device isn't pwned. You assume that Sony isn't sending that data to a third party to process the information for them, and that THIS third party is also promising not to store your data.
AND ULTIMATELY, YOU ARE ASSUMING A MASSIVE MULTINATIONAL CORPORATION ISNT LYING TO YOU AND STORING YOUR DATA ANYWAY. DATA THAT IS WORTH MONEY TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE.
You are fricking moronic, or this is all a bait. There's no inbetween.
Yes anon if Sony themselves are compromised your data can leak. But the other anon was saying that the "mailman" can leak it, that the leak can happen in the transport, and as far as I know it is not that simple, that's all I am saying.
I am that other anon. I am both of those anons. The leak can happen in transport if...
>The end server was compromised by a third party and the private keys were stolen, meaning anyone can decrypt traffic to/from Sony's server
>The device sending the traffic has been compromised with rogue certificates (such as a rogue VPN)
>The device sending the traffic is on a public network, the data can be captured and then later decrypted at an attackers convenience.
And no, that's not all you're saying. You've been saying that because sony doesnt store the data locally, it can't leak. Which means you're either an idiot or you're gullible
>The end server was compromised by a third party and the private keys were stolen, meaning anyone can decrypt traffic to/from Sony's server
If this happened it would only leak data from a couple people, you can't just redirect all of Sony's traffic to a third party for a long time before it is caught
>The device sending the traffic has been compromised with rogue certificates (such as a rogue VPN)
>The device sending the traffic is on a public network, the data can be captured and then later decrypted at an attackers convenience
This is an user issue and in this situation anything you do in your machine is readable to an attacker, including your bank data
>you can't just redirect all of Sony's traffic to a third party for a long time
they've had a dozen hacks that suggest otherwise, and even then they wouldn't redirect, they'd establish on-prem logging and then transmit that log in bulk to an off-prem server.
>This is an user issue and in this situation anything you do in your machine is readable to an attacker, including your bank data
including sending a photo of your government ID and/or face to Sony. What, do you think that because it's sony's website it means its not being sent from your pc anymore?
>and even then they wouldn't redirect, they'd establish on-prem logging and then transmit that log in bulk to an off-prem server
I don't even know what these words mean but rationally I don't see how you can get your hands on pictures that are erased in a matter of seconds without active intercepting that would lead to lots of data transfer, becoming easily perceptible
>What, do you think that because it's sony's website it means its not being sent from your pc anymore?
Anon my point is that no service should dictate their protocol based on the premise that the user is being attacked by a rogue VPN, public network or whatever other sort of attack that gives the attacker full control of the machine
This is a situation where the user is already fricked, it is pointless to think more of it, and in this situation the picture you sent to sony is the least of your worries
>this is all a bait
This Black person is advocating for ID verification on Ganker. Of course it's bait.
not allowing you to tribute to a picture of my face, degenerate.
If the data isn't stored, how would they know an ID has been used?
see second paragraph of
So they are provably lying, and are storing data used for verification
Nope! See
, it is very fascinating actually, they are only using an equation produced from your picture
They are storing data on me, and using it for verification. It doesn't matter how it's manipulated on their end. In plain English, they lied.
look up what "hashing" is, in regards to programming.
short answer is: there exists 1-way math formulas where data goes in one end and a short piece of text like "938c2cc0dcc05f2b68c4287040cfcf71" comes out the other end.
given the same data - the same hash is always generated.
if you store that text on the server, and someone tries to re-use an ID, the hashes will match and sony can tell it's been used before.
this is how all (well most) passwords work on the internet, the server just stores your "hash" of your password, and puts whatever you typed in through the formula, and then compares the two hashes.
Yeah bro theres definitely no way to manipulate a picture to get its hash changed
it doesn't have to be a hash of the image doofus, it just has to read all the details on the license.
Now explain face ID then
hashing a face is a little more complicated, but there are algorithms designed to generate the same hash for visually similar images.
there is also other stuff you can do like get a bunch of "feature data" from a face and store that as a hash also which would tell you if two similar faces are used.
I suggest you look up all this stuff cause it's an open problem with a ton of cutting edge stuff being developed to solve it, super interesting.
It's still them saving data.
Stop pretending you're not tech illiterate.
I don't really have a horse in this race, I don't even know if that is what sony plans to do.
but saving a hash is not saving the data, you cant get the data back from the hash, that is fundamental to the design of hashes in the first place.
sure, but that's like saying donuts taste bad just because israelites eat them
Anon if you've seen anything regarding company data breaches (Faceberg for instance) they "never" keep your data.
yeah I know and I never argued against that, I was just trying to explain to anon there's ways to do all this without storing the data.
I literally have no idea what sony plans and I dont trust them at all
ok bro lol
They send it all to me and I'd print out pics of everyone's faces to hang on my fridge and neatly file all your info in my dresser drawers for safe keeping. 🙂
>sure, but that's like saying donuts taste bad just because israelites eat them
Instant food analogy, thats how you know someone knows what they're talking about, you fat c**t.
Too many cucks in the kitchen, spoils the roast. I don't know, you both just made mew think of that.
le Reddit man too. Jesus played that game, so you don't have to.
>Cutting edge stuff being developed so the israelites can use real time identification and tracking, which doesnt actually do anything to combat criminals.
Yeah no thanks.
The problem is that you're discussing this like a human being and the rest are acting like belligerent apes.
yeah I probably should have made a schizo collage of twitter posts, that's the only way anons learn nowadays.
>this would single handedly end cheaters, bots, smurfs and ban evaders
How, if the data isn't saved?
>because it is hard to fabricate government IDs
lmao
I'll repeat how it works
>every company has their own facial verification algorithm
>the algorithm analyzes your face and creates a mathematical equation that represents it, based on details such as the distance between your eyes and nose for example
>this equation can be reliably reproduced with other photos from your face, but not with any other
>the picture can be safely destroyed, the corporation keeps only the mathematical equation, and this equation is useless to any hacker that breaches into their data, it is absolutely impossible to transform it back into your picture because it only contains, like, less than 0.01% of the photo's information
I'll repeat what I said:
>They are storing data on me, and using it for verification. It doesn't matter how it's manipulated on their end. In plain English, they lied.
How is this any better than a password
because bots and cheaters have passwords too
Ah yes the old “give up your freedoms to keep you safer” tactic. Is that you George W?
Anon the point of facial IDs isn't to let you into your account, it's to ensure you can't ban evade in the event you are banned. So it would end cheating and botting.
So couldn’t someone just use their family members instead? How fricking moronic is this oversight
Yes, this was actually my first thought. I have at least 10 people who would let me use their info to sign up for services that have no intention of ever having their own sony account.
I think you would be surprised at how many people would not be be okay with giving you their ID card despite being family members or close friends.
And even if you have 2 or 3 people to do this, the system is still hindering mass bots and immensely raising the barrier for ban evasion.
Works great to combat Chinese hackers and botters doesnt it.
Still no one has proved that a private company can ban your chinese ID from playing the game
Every single Chinese company is the Government. Are you fricking stupid, do you not know anything about what goes on in china?
>Doesnt know about China's social credit score system
>Looks like a moron and links to /misc/ because he doesnt have a good comeback
Fricking idiot
>I think you would be surprised at how many people would not be be okay with giving you their ID card despite being family members or close friends
Lmaooo, and you think I should give my ID to Sony? I trust my family members more than a faceless corporation. If you don't you have some personal issues to work through.
Okay, so I presume you would give your credit card information to any friend or family member?
But you wouldn't give it to... the actual companies with whom you are making transactions?
This is how you sound. Most moronic post itt
Yeah, sure. What are they going to do with it? Sony has already gotten breached twice.
Jesus anon, stop being moronic.
The entire point of ID cards and credit cards is to use them with third parties. Not your family members.
This is what happens when you try too hard to be a contrarian. You go full moronic.
You're missing the point, I still trust my family members with them more than Sony. In 2011 Sony was hacked and personal details from approximately 77 million accounts were compromised. Are you too young to remember this?
>in 2011
We learned with experience.
Back then a nuclear disaster led to the deaths of thousands of people. Did we drop nuclear energy? No.
Many airplane accidents happened in the past. Did we drop airplanes? No.
Many data leaks happened in the past. Are we just doing away with databases?
No.
No, Sony hasn't learned anything, their latest data breach was last year. They have no reason to care.
You’re a FRICKING homosexual and glowie trying to normalize the loss of citizen’s rights. Probably a israelite too.
You’ll burn in Hell after your short years on this Earth, NEVER forget that.
lol based owl poster
DIE DIE DIE DIE
You think AI generated faces wouldn't quickly mog this?
It requires a government ID too. Why are people ignoring this?
That sounds even worse then just a face pic.
Better?
falconhoof, kill Mitsuki Aquatrans
>mods tolerate serial schizo shitposters for ad and pass revenue
lmao
remember to send them hatemail through the feedback form and to harass them at every opportunity
>this much lore about some moron on a slovakian fisher dating forum
That guy and the idiots that post with him are complete homosexuals,
But frick Dragon's Dogma 2 and frick Capcom.
>still no face posted
concession accepted
confession denied
>TF2
>Bots
stop playing matchmaking
ive been playing on my local community server for 15 years and never seen a bot
Post your face then pussy
they dont need my pussy for verification
I need it for my verification purposes though
>i trust sony but not you
Why?
Sony is a multibillionaire company that goes through dozens of independent audits
You are not, and you don't go through said audits
You won't even use a trip you massive homosexual. Also what are you gonna do about it when you get fricked? Be part of a class action where you get a dollar coupon for the latest movie game?
>because it is hard to fabricate government IDs
Literally every single 18-20 year old has a fake driver's license so they can go get plastered at some bar.
Not even gonna take into account third world countries where fake IDs are almost an alternate form of currency
>One person spoofs your IP and screams Black person in a bunch of games.
>You now lose access to all online aspects of every game you own.
Great idea moron.
Ok lawyer I was just trying to help
It's simple. You know that OP said that the data isn't saved? Well actually the data is saved and the faces of cheaters can be archived and shared with other companies so that if you ever get banned for any reason in one game you can be systemically banned from all vidya. Also, if your face looks like someone else's, you're collateral. Also, when the company gets hacked (as all do), your face will be bought and sold with the rest of your data on the dark web. Simple!
This sounds way better than that stupid NFT shit that was being peddled two years ago.
Explain how either are related.
I would rather have cheating homosexuals than this moronic bullshit. If this is where multiplayer anticheat is going, I'm gonna do single player from now on
>cheating is effectively eliminated from all online gaming
>anon is just going to play singleplayer now
your choice
Post examples of games that have eliminated cheating
Community ran private servers are the solution. The best anti-cheat I've ever seen was CSS and HLDM servers having admins that would manually ban cheaters.
>Community ran private servers are the solution
OY VEY ANTI-SEMITE YOU SHOULD BE HANGED FOR SAYING THAT
Community ran private servers are the solution. The best anti-cheat I've ever seen was CSS and HLDM servers having admins that would manually ban cheaters.
This is literally just because they ban everybody whose too good and have to care far less about false positives. I'm sure though that this board has enough casuals now that are not only fine with that but support it.
It would not, it's just an excuse to collect more data to end privacy. Companies can already ban your game account if you cheated, this would not change anything.
And that's a good thing
well you see, the government is constitutionally restricted from spying on its citizens unless they are overtly commiting felonies but corporations are not restricted in this same way. Therefore the government can outsource illegal spying to ngo third parties. By allowing sony to record your face and id and track you throughout your life, this allows the government to buy that data from them and essentially spy on you in a wholely legal manner 😀
Okay but the government can't do anything with this data unless they want to sell me more Sony games. In conclusion, I reap 50% of the profits from such transactions and in return the government gets to know who I am.
>Okay but the government can't do anything with this data
Oh yes they can.
High ass frick, fricking Black person.
>cheat
>Sony gets a picture of my goatse [Determined Age: 58]
You're put on ignore until you just decide you're going to cheat one day and then your clock starts ticking until Sony finds you and kills you.
being a gay is put on your permanent record and instead of resetting your router you have to rope and hope reincarnation is real
yes, just like the TPM stops cheaters and isn't a trojan horse for the most draconian form of DRM ever devised (see safetynet/play integrity, and notarization/SIP)
you don't have anything to hide, do you?
away with you. you disgusting chinese bug. We wont be enslaved like your shit country.
Gamings needs to always be free.
We are enslaved anon. If you haven't realized that yet, look at the end of your dick, or lack thereof to be precise.
okay then post your face right now if you're so confident about this.
You will eat ze bug
You will live in ze pod
You will submit your ID to play vidya
1. Companies are more interested in making money than keeping you secure, your information WILL be stored AND sold.
2. If they delete the data right after verification, then it doesn't stop ban evaders as they don't have e a database to reference from.
Thinking the company will secretly store and sell your information is insane. Look at the picture in OP, Sony is explicitly stating your information won't be stored. If it leaks later on you can sue them for millions, it would be financial suicide. This would definitely bring Sony to bankruptcy.
As for 2 anon raises a good point, they must be storing ONE type of data to cross reference later, I am not sure which one it is, possibly your social security number or its equivalent in other countries, so long as it is heavily encrypted it should be safe, or maybe they're storing something else entirely
Not to mention EU would be on their ass immediately. There is nothing to gain for these companies to lie, you have everything to gain if they do though.
>The EU is going to be >AGAINST corporations helping build the surveillance state
I don't fricking understand EU worshipers
Because the EU does shit that is actually good, like enforcing batteries to be exchangeable on laptops and phones. But thats just goodwill for when they decide to ban encryption for ~~*national security*~~ or to ~~*protect the kids*~~.
The EU is actively setting limits on corporations while the US does nothing
>Europe's GDPR changed the way data is handled forever
>Europe forced refunds on Steam
>Europe is kicking Ubisoft's ass
>Europe is forcing Apple to go USB-C
>Getting police visits for wrong think
>Getting arrested for tweets
>Doing nothing about Muslim Grooming Gangs attacking and raping vulnerable young women.
>Destroying their energy economies
>Selling out their national identities
>Not addressing actual violent crimes and violent offenders
>I think[...]
yes, you think. Purely anecdotal.
>raising the barrier for ban evasion.
At a cost.
>The GDPR is highly effective, why do you doubt it
1. That is debatable.
2. It only has to be less than perfectly effecting 1 (one) time.
3. These systems shouldn't be trusted. they should be audited and doubted, then audited again.
>now show me any headline showing that a court deemed it valid
>Just one
Waiting until preventable illegal actions make it to court is not a superior option to letting them run rampant until they cause harm to innocent people.
>entire point of ID cards and credit cards is to use them with third parties. Not your family members.
Family is a third party.
This.
The EU seems to occasionally do things that don't help corporations turn humans into walking sacks of materials to be exploited
tf2 stil one of the most played after mkre thana decade and you're moronic
>should be safe
lol. lmao even.
>bring sony to bankruptcy
hahahahahahaha
>If it leaks later on you can sue them for millions, it would be financial suicide. This would definitely bring Sony to bankruptcy.
I'm not going to wade through their TOS to find out, but I'd bet money on them having some kind of forced arbitration clause precisely to prevent this from happening
If your country holds weight to arbitration clauses in TOS you need to run. Not even the US would be that shitty. In Europe any TOS is null and void.
kek
The US literally does let arbitration clauses be a thing buddy
US is not for the people but for the corporations that run it and if they want to be excluded from being responsible it doesnt take much for them to do so
Anon please read my post carefully.
Yes, arbitration clauses are a thing, every jurisdiction has it
But thinking you can include an arbitration clause in the TOS of a widely used service (such as Sony or, say, Google/Facebook) to make yourself immune to lawsuits is beyond moronic
Arbitration clauses need explicit consent towards the arbitration itself, you can't just sneak it in stuff, it's serious fricking business
Give me one (1) example of a company that pulled this off, you can't because it is not real
have a nice day reddit spacing double Black person
not reading that shit
sorry that happened to you
Different anon, but I've been here since 2009 and I have no clue what reddit spacing is because I don't use reddit.
tl;dr you have to put in two line breaks on reddit because the formatting is moronic.
So instead of doing something like this on any website on the internet
You do this.
It's sort of like if someone does ||for spoilers||
** cripplechan did spoilers so much better**
It's more convenient but the best option is just pressing ctrl s with what you want spoiler'd highlighted because when you're done typing your entire post you can just highlight what you want spoiler'd and you skip typing anything extra
Not the person you quoted, but thanks dude.
This is moronic, reddit spacing is when redditors put a double return thinking it's like reddit where a double return input is a single return output.
Which braindead board is this from, /misc/?
Proper paragraphs will never be "reddit spacing", this is a newbie trap
As far as I am aware on Reddit you either have one return input two (web version) or two input one like you described (mobile version)
The "reddit spacing" shit was always moronic and I am not going to turn my text into an unreadable mess just to appeal to newbies. Back in ~2010 everyone "redditspaced" because the concept of redditspacing did not exist
nice reddit spacing
Yeah its probably a t_d migatard mad he got caught.
they wouldn't know to do that
Is anyone going to point out that the only way you could've known this is from actually using Reddit? Spacing to increase readability has apparently never been a thing on the Internet and books never existed until Reddit.
And I actually tried using Reddit once to get help with something. That whole spacing formatting thing isn't even true for Reddit.
Holy frick
Google, and facebook has done that very thing.
It does go by a case by case basis but it is way more common then you think, even outside of America
I don't doubt they have such clause in their ToS, now show me any headline showing that a court deemed it valid
Just one
>Arbitration clauses need explicit consent towards the arbitration itself
You know that checkbox with a link to a big wall of text whenever you sign up for something that says you read and agree to whatever lawyerese is in it? That's your consent.
Fact 1: this is null and avoid anywhere outside of the US
Fact 2: even in the US this is ineffective for arbitration clauses, you would need a separate checkbox explicitly saying, in big text and in bold, "I ALSO AGREE TO THE ARBITRATION CLAUSE"
>Fact 1: this is null and avoid anywhere outside of the US
You wouldn't even be allowed to sue anything within the US if you're living outside of it, so it wouldn't even have to apply to you.
>What is the Hague Service Convention
You don't seem to know much about Sony, they'd have you killed before letting you bankrupt them. But it's cute you think they can somehow make a magical cheat stopping system without storing any information. Or that when it leaks you'll be rich. No one gives a frick about EU rules they were paying the fines and ignoring them because it's more profitable
Little zoomer anonymous (yes THAT anonymous) hacked PSN back when I was in HS, they gave out free PS+ and a few games afterwards as a “sorry we fricked up”
You know nothing you israelite
So it's blackmail/extortion to buy the next Sony product. How much money can I get with this?
You raise a good point.
Smoothbrains like you fail to understand that there is no world where corporations would willingly let go of your information. It's on the same level of being braindead as saying communism is good, it just haven't been tried yet.
and if you do something heckin insensitive like being too good at the game they can put your picture on twitter and email your boss
>your face and government ID would not be stored locally, all of it would be deleted after verification
source: just trust us, why would we keep sensitive documents that advertising agencies would pay us handsomely for?
>this would single handedly end cheaters, bots, smurfs and ban evaders
I'll take "What is a fake ID?" for $500
>this would have saved TF2, WoW, OSRS and dozens of other games
It would have killed TF2, nothing can save WoW, and OSRS is cringe. Also this wouldn't help anyway because FAKE IDS ARE A THING
>the risk of leaks is zero because THE DATA IS NOT SAVED LOCALLY
the data still has to be transmitted over the internet to be processed by a server. If it isn't processed and checked against the governments database, then it's pointless because a low effort photoshop would get around it. Any data transmitted over the internet can be potentially stolen and or saved.
>Is there any reason to be against this other than sheer tech illiteracy?
Yes, because you are tech illiterate.
And of course it's a pass user.
he believes in the cause I presume
but if they made you do that then you would have dysphoria
smart anon, unfortunately gamers here lack the IQ.
Im more concerned with data breaches and they selling my data. But snoy is probably better than giving to some random AI startup.
Data breaches can only leak information stored locally. If it is being deleted as it is processed there is nothing to leak
You're a fricking moron and I hope you die painfully.
>you should post your face and your heckin fingerprints while we're at it, so that you can play your slop multiplayer games
>also remember to keep your social credit score since you are verified with your id!
I wish death upon people who want this, it would really make my day if you have a nice day OP
Fingerprint verification would unironically be much better than face/government ID verification, unfortunately there is no foolproof and convenient way of doing this and the whole reason you do government ID verifications in the first place is because you trust the government is fingerprinting people before issuing them IDs
>Fingerprint verification would unironically be much better than face/government ID verification
Now that is a heckin great idea my fellow redditor, sell my fingerprints so I can play video games! 😀 Epic for the win
Good bait thread but frick this shit
>he doesnt know about finger prints
lmaoing at you buddy
They arent all unique as you think and i believe it is koalas that share near identical prints to humans
China would invade Australia (worse then they already are) and genocide the koala
>social credit is bad...because....your vile apprehensiveness follows you for life!
>false positives don't exist
kys Black person
you first autist.
what could possibly go wrong?
https://www.wired.com/story/outabox-facial-recognition-breach/
Why do bongers and canadians keep electing politicians that want to destroy the internet?
Man, it's a good day to farm (you)s by being a contrarian homosexual
I have a hard time trusting corpos to not just frick me and everyone else over for a small amount of cash
>my fingerprints are valuable
>I have the best fingerprints
>they want to steal my fingerprints
I just pay a $500 VIP user pass to never have to deal with this shit.
Government shills really aren't trying anymore. Is this the glowie epidemic Terry warned us about?
>trusting your government ever
What the frick is wrong with you? Where do you useless breathers even come from?
I only play offline games, so i whole-body support this.
OP here I looked up how facial verification works if they are not keeping any of your data and hey, it is even better than I thought, technology is a beautiful thing. Here is the basics:
>every company has their own facial verification algorithm
>the algorithm analyzes your face and creates a mathematical equation that represents it, based on details such as the distance between your eyes and nose for example
>this equation can be reliably reproduced with other photos from your face, but not with any other
>the picture can be safely destroyed, the corporation keeps only the mathematical equation, and this equation is useless to any hacker that breaches into their data, it is absolutely impossible to transform it back into your picture because it only contains, like, less than 0.01% of the photo's information
Now I ask again, WHY WOULD YOU BE AGAINST THIS?
>two pass users in one thread
it's the apocalypse
No, it's the fed
Algorithm is corporate codesprakken for Indian tech centre.
Because pcgays suddenly care about their privacy even if they use youtube, windows, bing, edge, windows and social media apps and this is just so they can hate even more on Sony. Dude, they downloaded a fricking kernel level anticheat malware to their PC and they complain about making an account? They are fricking insane
Yeah one thing I've been saying is that facial verification would create a data point that is way less sensitive than emails or (not automatically generated) passwords, let alone all the bullshit people let into their computers.
China has all of this stuff and its still filled with cheaters. Why is that?
China has what? Mandatory linking of game accounts with government issued IDs or faces? I don't think this is true anon
They do. They also use this system to limit play time for minors. Korea also uses this system, and you can go to jail if you cheat in a video game.
Yes. Holy frick did you really not know that?
This is false by the way
Humans are not as unique as you think when you rely on numbers. False arrests, and it just not working has happened time and time again buddy because of your magical number storage
We are more unique when you actually see the features of the face
It doesn't have to be perfect and infallible to verify your account in a fricking video game service anon (with the possibility of appealing if the system fails), sony is not arresting anyone
Did you miss the whole it just not working sometimes?
Using a mathematical forumal derived from a picture is trash, actualy good face recognition relies on a saved photo to compare as there more unique traits to ones face. For example, moles, haircut, hair colour, skin colour, scars, tatoos, piercings which all wont be accounted for in a mathematical formula properly or just not at all
Did you miss the part where it is already working right now? Many companies use facial verification without storing the photo locally and it works well enough, I don't see how you can argue for the opposite?
>if someone gets locked out they can just contact support
>if an undesirable gets through whatever, 99% will still get filtered, the remaining 1% will be handled the same way the 100% are handled today
>contact support
lmao, support that will be ai driven fully in 5 years of not already. Support that will make you do the same thing over and over again becuase tech sucks at picking humans apart from one another even when a picture is stored at times
Tech sees things on a 2d plane so it lacks any depth to use as an identifier properly
>they can just contact support
If I have to contact support because your fricking useless facial system fricked up I am not using your dogshit system.
>op is an actual shilling glowie
Grim
funny part is that this is an avatargay Black person advocating against internet anonimity in Ganker of all places
using an avatar is the opposite of remaining anonymous, idiot
so hiding their personal info is the opposite of keeping the data private to prevent callouts and raids.
Anonymity should not exist in multiplayer competitive games full of cheating and ban evasion issues. Otherwise the game is ruined. See: OSRS.
I support full anonymity for any other situation, obviously including Ganker, single player games, etc
Facial verification does not even compromise anonymity, no one will know who you are (not even the game's server admin), it's just a math trick to ensure each person is unique
>tying your face to your accounts, email, payment method, and all sorts of other things isn't compromising anonymity
you are not tying your face to anything dumbass, you can be against this but you need to learn how it works at least
Please explain how adding your face to a file of all these things is not associating your face with these things, ~~*anonymous poster*~~.
someone already explained in this thread but they are just taking some measures from your face and erasing it, what ends up attached to your account is a number as meaningless as your password, in fact this number would be the least sensitive information attached to your account, way less so than your email
>they are just taking some measures from your face and erasing it
When I got a job at one of these companies claiming that your data doesn't get saved one of the first things I was assigned to do was assist in migrating the database of 15 years of this data that they "don't save" to a new server and set up remote access for outside parties.
I highly doubt this and if true your company would face severe legal charges and go bankrupt
They would get a slap on the wrist at worst
>if true your company would face severe legal charges and go bankrupt
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>Anonymity should not exist in multiplayer competitive games full of cheating and ban evasion issues. Otherwise the game is ruined. See: OSRS.
This should only be a factor if you are a wannabe eSports gay playing ranked competition.
Anon bots ruined the economy of OSRS, they degraded the experience of casual players more than anyone else's
Same with WoW
You can ban people without storing their private info Black person. This
>it helps fight against cheaters
is the dumbest argument I’ve heard
>Ganker of all places
Reminder that we now have a board that requires an email verification to post on.
Why cant we just go back to the old days of private/user hosted servers and let the people running them decide who to ban? I rather have the freedom of old online, even if it means dealing with the occasional haxxor nonsense.
>provide your face/government ID to the company constantly leaking user's data by the millions
No, I'm not reading, go frick yourself.
I think OP is legitimately a glowie
>THE DATA IS NOT SAVED LOCALLY
So it's saved remotely instead?
see
Anon the data they are storing is literally less sensitive than your email, it's a senseless math equation, can you even articulate what would be the problem?
>can you even articulate what would be the problem
>Any data used for verification won't be saved
>ANY DATA USED FOR VERIFICATION
>Well actually, we're going to put the data through a proprietary algorithm and save the output, and use that for verification
Literal. Fricking. Bold-Faced. Lie.
>we're going to scrape 0.0001% of your picture's information (like the distance between very specific points of your face) and process it through an algorithm and use that
What is the problem with this
Because there’s no point. It solves no problem.
>face verification solves no problem
How so? At the very least it makes it impossible to mass produce bots. And it immensely raises the bar for the average person to ban evade.
>it makes it impossible to mass produce bots
>farm social media profiles for new accounts
Suck me dry fed
Did you miss the part where you also need to provide a government ID with the photo of the same person?
So it’s not just a face and image points, it’s a government issued ID with your face that you need to “””” just trust “”””. Actually blow your brains out you fricking lowlife fed
So it's not a face, it's a government ID with unique info and watermarks that is then saved to prevent repeat usage, along with your SSN and other vital info, including all the identifiable metrics that constitutes your face, and it's all saved in a cloud as a permanent record shared between govs and corporations to blacklist you for undesirable behavior even if you use a new name and different emails.
>don't worry, we promise we don't track your location, also would you like to know the closest McDonald's to the street you're currently on?
>we will not store your photo, pinkie promise
>Pass user since 2018
The internet isnt real life, therefore no irl info should be required.
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Ok I read it all, so now it's time to insult you. You are a stupid frick.
How do you expect me to read that wall of text while you're glowing brighter than the sun?
I don't get it. what's stopping someone from taking a random photo of a person and submitting that?
You also need the government ID. If you fan fabricate an ID or get a friend's ID congratulations you circumvented the verification system once, but you're not going to mass produce thousands of bots like it happens in OSRS or TF2
>2018
frick off newbie
It literally says select a method, not select both....
Fair enough I need to reflect more on this and learn how it works
you're seriously a fricking moron dude.
you're just a fricking moron
homosexual anime moron
>Verification not required.
Same thing that's stopping cheaters and bots from just uploading AI generated images (nothing)
It's a co-op game. Why do you need to ban cheaters?
This thread is explicitly not about Helldivers 2, I mentioned MMORPGs in the OP
>pass user since 2018
this is a known shill poster, why are people responding earnestly?
until you mentioned it I never even knew it said how long they used pass on hover. thank you I will now ignore forever here pass morons forever.
The Western world operates on the presumption of innocence. You are innocent until proven guilty. You already have ID verification in Asia because they consider everyone a potential cheater.
>Is there any reason to be against this other than sheer tech illiteracy?
The reason why most good ideas that are thought up in a vacuum cannot actually be implemented regardless of industry without a large emphasis placed on the word "oversight"-- naturally rampant trust issues.
Good post, thanks for enlightening me anon, I hadn't thought of that.
>all of it would be deleted after verification
Ah, yes. Being fed into an AI as training data is totally "deleting" it.
>Before you insult me, read this:
nope, but good piglet!
>Before you insult me, read this
No
moronic homosexual
>China ties their ID to their in game accounts
>Still cheat
Once again all this does is punish the actual normal people.
>all of it would be deleted after verification
could you link me to this video, I've wanted to see it for so long
Slippery slope
Keeping the state as far away from private business as possible
Because frick you Black person
Will be used to block the youth from alternate viewpoints until it's too late to undo the views the state has brainwashed into them
Oh, I didn't noticed it was the aquatard who pays to post on Ganker. Hide.
We are now at the "actually this is a good thing" stage.
>be billy
>create account with face scan and ID
>cheat, get banned
>create new account with same ID
Scenario A
>they recognise this is a duplicate and have lied about not storing customers data
Scenario B
>they don't recognise this is a duplicate and have solved nothing
I figured out how it works after creating this thread and posted an explanation on
>Create new account
>Need to buy all of the games again
This is what they want.
Yeah I totally believe they will delete the data. If anyone knows how to protect data it’s large corporations. have a nice day OP.
I don't know very much about anything but this looks like communism
how do I filter out passgays
Ganker X settings > Filter > Pass Date
The second line should help you.
Your "ideas" are awful. Now show your hideous face, eat shit and die, worthless reddit Black person
>Ganker pass
>horrifically awful bait post
Name a more iconic duo.
sometimes I think that the discontinuation of mental asylums is a big factor for how shitty the internet has become.
>implying mental asylums do not have internet
65% of the posts on this website are posted directly from the funny farm
I am not baiting, I am posting something that is already happening and, if done en masse, will massively improve video games
No one here can explain why it would be a bad idea outside of conspiracy bullshit like "the corporation will lie and store your data secretly, as if that wouldn't result in a gigantic lawsuit and lead to them going bankrupt"
I personally cannot explain how you're still breathing, it is an actual mystery how a swigger shit eater like you hasn't been stomped to death by Arab migrants being the dumb little pot stirring bastard you are
You’re fricking moronic. Seriously seek Canadian healthcare
It wouldn't be an improvement because I would have to submit my ID and a picture of my face to play the game. This measure could be implemented by a third-party service for TF2 or CS but no one has done that because no one would sign up.
Sony is doing this
If: Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo and Steam are the ones doing it I think it will be fine
Sony isn't storing a persistent copy of your identity. You have to do that for cheating prevention. Like I said, feel free to open a third-party service like this for TF2 or CS, Valve will never do it so it's going to be your responsibility to put the plan into action.
If Valve did this and explained why it's safe everyone would be all for it
Valve will never do this. Their own developers would not be comfortable with using this system, and they don't have investors breathing down their neck forcing them to take unethical decisions, so it will never happen.
No they wouldn’t you fricking moron
They wouldn't. They don't even do intrusive anti-cheats because they are somehow one of the only companies who gives some sort of a shit about its userbase.
>the corporations won't do highly shady shit that earns gets them lots of money while they get away with it
It's a bad idea because normal brained people are uncomfortable with the idea of a company requiring pictures of their face. Your "well technically it's equations" bullshit doesn't matter.
The normal brained person is also uncomfortable with nuclear energy despite it being statistically safer than any other form of energy
The normal brained person is uncomfortable with air planes despite it being MUCH safer than cars
Sometimes you need to not listen to the normal brained person
>Sometimes you need to not listen to the normal brained person
Ok, well enjoy your dead game that no one wants to play. Atleast the cheaters are gone.
It's working for Riot's Vanguard
It's working for Sony/Helldivers 2
>pic related
Vanguard doesn’t do this.
Helldivers stonks are getting dumped. Seriously end it moron
>"It's working"
>he says, cropping from the episode where Moe is blown the frick out for his chicanery
like many things you will never be allowed to live this down, going from bullshit insincere anti-corporate excuses for your shitting up the board to shilling biometric ID nightmare worldisms, you are truly the eternal swede
>Atleast the cheaters are gone
They arent though. It doesnt stop chang mass botting in wow or using esp on CS even though they have their own checks done even worse than the bongs do at the moment.
All its doing is affecting the guy who isnt going to cheat.
The state wants the corporation to store your data
Even if the law supposedly says the state doesn't want that the state does not have to follow the law and can pressure a corporation to do anything they want.
kys newbie
Frick off glowie
Imagine trusting a megacorp to not keep your data/give it to the government whenever possible.
i bet the adl convinced sony to do this just like theyre getting congress to pass an anti free speech bill. they were really harping on about antisemitism in games lately.
>This data won't be stored locally
>Implying
Blizzard literally asked for the fake id I made in the early 2000s when they "didn't keep these"
If the data isn't stored, then everyone could use the same photo and get away with it.
I can't wait for some third worlders to somehow get ahold of SSN/DL for the sole purpose of running RMT schemes.
>just give up your rights and you'll be safe
>your face and government ID would not be stored locally
>this would singlehandedly end ban evaders
You could do some cool stuff with a picture of every steam user, for example. Imagine having all the faces in the database along with their total and weekly hours played, what kinds of games they prefer, how they rate certain things, etc.
Then you could ask it to make an image of the average person who "likes FPS, 2000 hours played, 20 hours a week" and compare it with "likes RTS, 500 hours played, 50 hours a week"
>Imagine having all the faces in the database
>your face and govenrment ID would not be stored locally
>This would be interesting because I could use a shitware image model to shit out an amalgam of people who exist
"AI" Black folk are deranged
It would just be cool to see what the "average" type of person of each type would be, and what they look like, what kinds of features they have. I wonder if there would be any trends between fans of certain genres. AI could detect it too, we already have AI powered gaydar that has over 80% accuracy (and maybe the other 20% are lying)
combine the two and you could have an AI tell you which game has the gayest looking players, objectively
>It would just be cool to see what the "average" type of person of each type would be
No, there's literally nothing interesting about this.
nah you're lame
delusional
go back to your AI "girl""friend"
Humans are very similar to each other m8
Look at any face meldings or whatever which they take a bunch of headshots and layer them on each other
yeah and there's an average face of all those different groups that looks familiar even though you've never actually seen that person before. It would be cool to see that for different groups of gamers. It's really not that crazy
like this but with RTS, Grand Strategy, FPS, Simulation, etc.
woah, the average person of like 30 pictures with sampling bias looks average... incredible... fascinating...
yes
Just do it now through streamers and what not
Go off facebook or whatever for more pictures
You can do it now it just takes effort
I doubt streamers are representative of the actual and average players. They're more likely to be attractive, for starters. And either way, the average player is not a streamer with a face so it would throw it off.
remember when sony stored all your passwords in a plaintext file
>i am le matrix man i will escape and am the heckin hero xD
sorry chuddie. this is your future and there’s no escape
it'd only work if the company were legally obligated to delete the data or else be forced to stop existing as a business permanently if they don't do it. otherwise they will just say oopsie doopsie we made a fricky wucky and get fined .1% of their annual revenue when they get caught
>all of it would be deleted after verification
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And what's with the "X literacy" meme? Is this some Twitter/Leddit shit? In the past year, I've seen a frickhuge spike in this phrasing and it's always just the worst bait imaginable.
It's leftoid credential worship moronation.
tl;dr think everything means communism good or you're stupid and don't understand media >:(
OSRS would not have been a thing as runescape would have died around the end of 2005 early 2006
Bad enough that goverment agencies or banks can keep my info secure, i definitely would not trust a bunch of companies in doing so beyond a fake age i give them and my credit card info
Haha what kind of moron would make an acc with such company.
Any way, might as well go online and get a fake id to put there.
damn that's really gay
thinking about asking for refund
People have been and it's not working since there has been no change to the original ToS.
didn't this same thing happen after epic bought rocket league?
I didnt have to do jack shit to get my steam>epic transition, I just continued playing
games would be better if you killed yourself. vidya is a microcosm of reality. people are shitty to each other because you let thirdies and poors online. Making richgays id themselves isnt going to change that.
>user pass
Imagine thinking the solution to anything, ever is "GIVE BIG CORPORATIONS AND GOVERNMENT ENTITIES AS MUCH OF YOUR DATA AS POSSIBLE"
install the rootkit and give them your social security number or you're getting ding dong bannu
I just noticed the OP is a fricking paying pass user since 2018. He literally spends money to say things this fricking stupid, on Ganker. This is actually the worst thread I've seen all day, and i've been here most of it
It should be legal and encouraged to publicly mutilate bootlickers like you.
Don't Sony databases get hacked on the regular? Why would I trust them with my ID or biometrics?
>>the risk of leaks is zero because
The megacorporation pinky promises (You) that "all of it would be deleted after verification"? Good one.
Very good points Anons. Increased pressure and bottlenecking leads to more lucrative charges for getting around them.
In the coming age of AI, and image creation, video faceswaping and even digital citizenship there are more ways than ever now to spoof this info. These sorts of identity crimes will have more repercussions than ever before in the coming age. Trusting corporations with that should be approached with extreme caution. Auditing and watchdog groups should be watching this.
>people start selling verified smurf and alt accounts from stolen IDs and just generally anyone that wants to make a quick cheap buck making accounts for black market dealers
>becomes a business model in addition to hacks and bot clients
Great idea morons. Truly.
>go to jail for 20 years because someone stole your identity and cheated in valorant
This is the future zoomers want, and they can have it, but don't touch my boomer games. I'll wither away eventually, don't worry about it.
How do I filter pass users?
Someone make a script
Cool so now instead of just stealing your videogame account chinks steal your entire identity. Surely with Sony's track record of security you can trust them with your government ID.
If OP believes corporations would limit themselves to what he's saying, he's the most naive son of a b***h society has ever produced.
Even if there's laws literally saying in plain english that you can't do it or every member of your board of directors will be sodomized by the biggest,aids-ridden black man they can find every day for the rest of their short lives, they will still find a way to go around it.
The GDPR is highly effective, why do you doubt it
>EU
>brought to you by the same brilliant minds that said drinking water does not help combat dehydration
Good one.
It is true though, do americans not learn what electrolytes are in school? Drinking water is not enough to keep you hydrated if you can't keep it in your body. This is probably what the source was stating, but you're misconstruing it
he's not naive, he's Sephardi-israeli
Go frick yourself.
>not be stored locally, all of it would be deleted after verification
CoD message logs have been kept. And to believe (or shill) that data would not be collected in the Information Age is naive or stupid.
Also
>Ganker pass
Its funny how Saselandia was always right about Snoystation.
only arguing with people who are in favor of this if they post face
>THE DATA IS NOT SAVED LOCALLY
>implying I'd trust the israelites to not sell my information out to third-worldies
End yourself
this is the source of sony wanting photo IDs of their players
>We're not going to store or save your sensitive data that you can give us for free.
Oh, then your code is auditable for people to prove this for themselves?
>No, that'd be giving away information for free, do you think we're a moronic user?
>all of it would be deleted after verification
lol
>normal users have to give companies their face, ID, social security number, thumbprints, genome, one pint of blood, a urine sample, and drink a 10 dollar verification can
>hackers can just buy an ID sold by Chinese or Russians for cents like phone numbers are now
Yeah, the regular players are really screwing over hackers in this scenario
Perfection can't be the enemy of good. If Russian and Chinese IDs are vulnerable we just need to ask for more verification from these fellows.
Perfection is requiring a 20 point verification system to play a bing bong wahoo you moronic ape
maybe this would work in theory, but in reality you'd run into two issues
>companies leaving the data around either due to incompetence or personal gain
>people being unwilling to do business with companies that ask for this due to risk of the above
>NOOOO FACE SCAN ONE TIME BAAAD!
>WHAT'S THAT? D-DADDY GRUMZZ WANTS US TO POST A VIDEO WITH OUR FACE TO #FREESTELLARBLADE! LET'S GOO GAYMERSS!!! FREE STELLAR BLADE! FREE STELLAR BLADE! 75K DOXXES AND COUNTING!!
Post the 75k videos
If the data isn't stored and can't be used to verify who you actually are what's stopping you from using anyone's face?
see
That doesn't answer the question, there's 8 billion people on this planet.
And an infinite number of them that can be AI generated.
>I LOVE GIVING UP MY PERSONAL PRIVACY IF IT MEANS I DON'T HAVE TO GET MILDLY INCONVENIENCED ON MY CHILDREN'S TOY
Absolutely stupid. Also, if it's not stored locally, they have no way of eliminating duplicates, which means all those cheaters are just going to use their ID multiple times.
>duplicates
see
Damnit I really should have put this in the OP, but then again I only looked it up after making the thread.
Even if this were the case, your good intention will get raped because you believe corporations all have the best intent, when they all know that your data equals money for them when they sell it off. What's even more worrying though is that you'd give up your info if a company or government just told you "Yes, we just delete your picture right after. You can give us your personal info. Trust us."
There is one thing an anon said in this thread that changed my perspective.
In this world there are several groundbreaking ideas that are theoretically perfect and safe, but they will never be turned into reality because of (unfounded) trust issues.
This is one of these cases (except it is actually becoming reality want it or not, Sony is taking the first step)
The only objection people can formulate to this is "corporations will lie and put themselves in legal jeopardy just to steal a picture of you" (as if they didn't already have that)
The objection is that the premise is moronic and authoritarian. The implementation doesn't really matter. Game accounts should never be tied to real-life identity. In an ideal world you would download the game, enter a nickname and connect to a game server. No account required (think Quakeworld or Half-Life 1).
>Game accounts should never be tied to real-life identity
Agreed. But facial verification is not tying it to your real identity. It is just creating a mathematical algorithm extracted from a couple points of your face, and that can reliably be reproduced through your face only and not other people's (I said "reliably", not "perfectly"). The corporation keeps the mathematical formula. If a third party breaches into their database and leaks the formula no one will be able to link it to you because it is not nearly enough to reconstruct your face, they'd need thousands of points for that and the algorithm doesn't even take 50 of them.
Does knowing this change your opinion about the subject in any way?
No. I've already read your thread, you don't need to spoonfeed me again.
Then why do you think facial verification links the account to your real identity, when it objectively doesn't?
Because my face identifies me in real life. Even if it's a one-way hash, it still identifies me. The internet was built on anonymity and you're trying to take that away.
But it is not keeping your face, it is keeping a math formula that happens to be created with a few points in your face.
40 random measures of your face are NOT the same thing as "your face". They are not readable or intelligible by humans.
It doesn't matter. You're missing the point, you can run the same algorithm on my face again and determine that the account belongs to me. You should not be able to do that. I should always be able to assume a new identity on the internet.
calm down Xi Jinping
Also consider what you are proposing this for
>cheaters, hackers, smurfs, etc.
In the grand scheme of things, these nuisances are miniscule compared to having your data/identity collected by a company/agency, even if just on the principle alone.
If it actually got rid of bots and cheaters I might've played along. But those freaks always finds a way
>The feds need even MORE reach into your personal life, AND THAT'S A GOOD THING!
Eat shit glowie and tell your supervisors to do the same.
>Is not saved locally
>Because they save it in their server, which is not your local machine
Doesn't South Korea already have this system, how does it work for them?
Some anon here said China and South Korea use "exactly that system", but I looked it up and found no information on that.
I can see them using government IDs to monitor your playtime (didn't find that online, but for argument's sake let's say it is true). What I can't find is proof that e.g. Sony can ban your Korean/Chinese ID to stop you from cheating. I don't think any private company has access to that or can ask the Chinese/Korean government to stop you from accessing the game, there is no such mechanism
have a nice day
https://www.pcgamer.com/tencent-is-now-using-facial-recognition-in-china-to-stop-children-from-gaming-all-night/
Late-night gaming sessions for Chinese children are going to be much harder now that Tencent, China's largest tech company, is using facial recognition to stop kids from gaming after bedtime. Announced in a press release yesterday, Tencent said its new technology would require players to confirm their identity via facial recognition algorithm in order to keep playing mobile games past 10 pm. It's just the latest step Chinese companies are taking to conform (and stay ahead of) China's tightening regulations concerning when and how underage people play games.
So far the feature has been activated in 60 of Tencent's mobile games, including Honor of Kings and Game for Peace, but the feature will roll out to more of Tencent's mobile games over time.
The way it works is simple: If children under the age of 18 try to play a game after 10 pm or before 8 am, they'll have to pass a check that uses the phone's camera to verify their identity and age. This extra measure is in place to stop children who were easily circumventing previous age-gating methods to enforce China's strict laws on gaming activity.
you'll say "its not exactly the same" on some technicality.
Okay, now prove they are using this facial system to ban cheaters, this is the entire crux of the matter. I don't think they would give mods/admins a mechanism that allows them to phone the Chinese government to ban you.
>you'll say "its not exactly the same" on some technicality.
called it. nice try,
I don't get it anon
You're saying that China is already using government IDs to ban cheaters
I ask you to prove this, you link an article saying they are using government IDs to control children's playtime
I point this is not the same, you say "haaaaa gotcha"
Am I missing anything here?
>Am I missing anything here?
You tell me. Because either the answer is "yes". And you are dumb. "No", and you are dishonest. They are cheating. There is a rule. "No gaming after bedtime". Cheating is breaking rules. They are cheating by gaming past the bedtime. In 60 games it is the rule that they can't play past 10pm. You struggle very much to understand this very simple concept. You should not be talking to anyone here if you need someone to "prove" this to you. I understand you must look up to me like some kind of father figure who can guide you through these complicated issues for you. You're welcome.
Oh, you mean they are cheating the bedtime system? Because if this is happening you would indeed be successfully proving the system does not work, anon. But you are yet to prove that Chinese children can circumvent the bedtime mechanic. As far as it seems the system is working as intended, and is only a testament to the efficiency of facial verification/government ID verification.
>>you'll say "its not exactly the same" on some technicality.
called it.
Sure OP....
https://www.veri5digital.com/post/how-gaming-companies-use-digital-identity
>>What does digital KYC do for gaming companies?
-based or digital KYC (like the one we have) allows gaming companies (in this case you) to collect and verify the ID documents submitted by the customer instantly and at the point of sale. Plus these are compliant with the latest regulations making sure that you are covered as far as the laws of the land go.
>>As a game development company, rewards and competitions make sure that your users are engaged with you and your product. Though this is also a major acquisition channel for the company, it puts heavy pressure on the company coffers. This makes it essential that we make sure that the rewards offered are used in the way they were expected too
>~~*KYC*~~ for video games
so it's just israelite corpos treating customers like criminals and setting up more hoops to jump through
Pretty much dude.
>your face and government ID would not be stored locally, all of it would be deleted after verification
A customer cannot be sure of that, all that shit happens inside corporate black box which isn't audited by anyone or anything.
Considering general record of all those shits, there is a presumption that corps will lie about deleting that data, and will use it for their own ends instead.
And it's all over like that, all your arguments are null and void.
Big corporations are audited by dozens of independent auditors
Google "Sony audit" and find hundreds of reports
This is also the case with Valve, Microsoft and Nintendo. You should trust these companies at least.
The thing is that audits aren't going to eliminate the possibility of an employee being compromised or tricked into giving high level access to the system.
But at the same time, sony is just going to have hash or a token which is completely meaningless to a hacker. Sony has been hacked before.
>independent
PFFFFFFTTTTTTTTTTTT
Can ***I*** verify the source code for ALL their shit that comes in contact with my personal data in any way shape or form? No? Then get fricked and frick off with your black box.
I always have a giggle when random neckbeards in this website laugh at the basic foundations of public trust such as independent auditors. Or in Ganker's case, the monetary system. You think you know so much more than 99.9% of humanity.
The monetary system was just fine before 1913 you israelite cattle. TKD.
>basic foundations of public trust
Lmao what? Black person which year it is? There is no public trust. Maybe there never was any, but plebs just can see it clearly now because of the age of mass information. Any party with power should be inherently assumed to be self-interested and malicious.
>basic foundations of public trust
trust is earned, not enforced
the fact that they rely on cryptography, ID checks, and devices that make your computer betray you like TPMs, shows that they don't trust anyone. hell, the hottest new buzzword thrown everywhere is ~~*zero-trust security*~~
if they really trusted people, they wouldn't propose all these restrictions and controls
kek you don't even know how to program, larping dekinai
>Check youtube feedback
>Everyone shitting on Sony and Arrowhead
Kek, you reap what you sow.
Literally no one is going to buy their PC Sonyslop in the future now
All these morons not understanding how this shit works.
1. You upload a photo or ID to a 3rd party verification service
2. They hash the photo/ID and give Sony the "yeah its him its okay".
3. The hash is retained but original info destroyed, the hash cannot be reversed to form any useful information other than association with that specific account/person
4. Sony allows you to play on their servers
I'm not okay with this kind of thing, but at the same time everyone is acting super moronic about it.
I don't even give a shit about that. Frick snoy and frick tying my snoy account to my Steam. snoy needs to die and frick off.
Thanks anon. Just out of curiosity why are you not okay with this? I am trying to understand the downsides
he believes a government is after him
>hash
you stupid fricking homosexual. how are hashes relevant when the program has to match a recent photo or a live video feed every time they check?
have a nice day corporate israelite
>The hash is retained but original info """""""""destroyed"""""""""
>we promise we'll delete it goyim! pinky swear!
have a nice day israelite
>muh cheaters
I know better than to give strangers my info. just bait to get people to fork over their personal data and the cheaters garbage is an excuse, just like with TPMs which are israeli super DRM (see israelitegle safetynet, etc.)
Before you insult me, read this:
Low Tier God lighting strike my Black person
https://medium.com/@xenchain/how-digital-identity-can-change-the-landscape-of-gaming-at-its-doorstep-f1e9ed443335
Jun 11, 2018
>>This is where Xenchain.io and its eKYC makes an impact. Its eKYC solution requires live facial recognition to verify users’ ID or passport to ensure that only the true holder of the account is able to access it without breaches.
companies usually allocate a large budget for their customer service segment for users who have lost their accounts; either due to it being stolen or just having forgotten the password. These gaming companies can now reinvest that money into making more games instead of helping hundreds of gamers retrieving their accounts!
>>only the true holder of the account is able to access it without breaches.
[citation needed]
also, there are no assurances that employees can't tap into the data or that an executive order or government warrant won't get them to fork over customer data
the real reason they're doing this is to round up and identify paypiggies and punish them if they misbehave
>there are no assurances that employees can't tap into the data
>what is unreadable data
>what is retaining a mere hash, and not the original information itself
No, I agree.
Which is why I posted the article here
They do not get rid of the photo id, sorry for the confusion.
Is it a good idea? This is debatable, and the reasons for it being a bad idea boil down to inconvenience for the end user
Will it be opposed by most people because of sheer tech illiteracy and paranoia? Yes, as evidenced by this thread
>ITT. morons
And here's why
>play fps
>kill mod who is playing on a side account
>mod logs in and ban you
>try to appeal the ban
>the appeal is refused on basis that you are a racist chud
>your name is now linked to being banned because of being a racist chud
>its plastered everywhere and you can't do anything about it despite not have done anything
have fun making your own personal hell
moron
What if they don't have any of your personal information, just a hash of your photo, which is useless information for any purpose other than linking your account?
you're a moron. this is more like presenting a photo of your ID for israelitegle or microisraelite authenticator.
the possibility of having your dox leaked is very real though
So for those of you interested
You can go to Sony's publishing page on steam and ignore each and every one of their games.
They're also informed of when you do this.
Feel free to tell your friends!
>all of it would be deleted after verification
suuuuuuuuure.
life would be better if there was a gladiator pit to throw government officials into
>pass user is a massive moron
genuinely have a nice day
I'm not even joking
the world's total IQ would go up by at least two points if you were dead
>the world's total IQ would go up by at least two points if you were dead
So my IQ is -2? In the remote sense you meant "average IQ", the world's average IQ is always 100 no matter what, moron, this is the entire point of IQ.
>so mad that he forgot to re-add his shitty badge to reply
I guess that the screencap was right,
you actually are replying to yourself in this garbage thread
Anon... You are mobile posting so new posts wont have a pass, but just refresh the page and it will appear. I did add the badge to that post.
don't care
still kys
cared enough to reply, tourist.
>Anon... You are mobile posting so new posts wont have a pass
KWAB
>this garbage thread
What's the matter, mad that you have to log in to PSN with your real name and address to play Helldivers 2?
Kek, I thought you wanted "managed democracy"
I don't have helldivers 2 you shitposter
I hate morons who supports adding your real life ID to ANY account
And that is why you will never be a fascist.
why would I want to be one?
Who let the Ganker schizos out of their containment board
i dont want to play video games. what the frick, demon? stop toying with us
homosexual
>initiates middle-man attack and intercepts all of your ugly-ass photos and government IDs in your path
I thought you said authoritarian society was good. So which is it?
I think you and anyone like you should commit suicide.
>Before you insult me, read this:
SAGE. You're a israelite homosexual, KYS. Hopefully this post will be immortalized in the archive so you can fume over it and have no chance to reply. Will not read any further threads concerning this topic nor this one just so there's no chance of you ever getting the last word in.
who fricking cares about cheaters in a pve, literally just play with your friends dumb homosexuals
*vores you*
Considering the situation anon, it's a good way to cluck an industry.
>$60 AAA games that release in smaller and smaller clusters
>Consoles cost around the same yearly, yet still make relases
>More AI tools make development ASSUMEDLY easier
>Covid turned the whole global market into campers
>Publishers are already trying to milk PC and mobile for all they are worth
>This releases for sony
The result? My guesses;
>Higher security, for a home arcade of AAA AI games, and the classics
>Secured contact VIA face scan facilitates more "social" games without the risk of imitatation users
>Facebook-adjacent gaming, on a playstation console
>Casual-baiting focus, to compete with phones
I have no clue what will happen to the rest of gaming though. "Hardcore" games won't go anywhere bad; it's a genre prefiix by now. Without knowing the whole scope of games by now, I'd not be surprised that there are "hardcore casual" games now.
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Just typical samegayging. OP is desperate on his friday night.
Stop talking to yourself, dweeb,
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>>your face and government ID would not be stored locally, all of it would be deleted after verification
No company would do this. They profit off your information and that type of info is especially valuable.
>this would single handedly end cheaters, bots, smurfs and ban evaders
It would not. Period.
>this would have saved TF2, WoW, OSRS and dozens of other games
It wouldn't have. It would have hurt them due to backlash.
>the risk of leaks is zero because THE DATA IS NOT SAVED LOCALLY
You do not understand how that tech works if you are going to straight up lie like this.
>your face and government ID would not be stored locally, all of it would be deleted after verification
You're an idiot if you actually believe this
>this would single handedly end cheaters, bots, smurfs and ban evaders
They can and will very easily go around this
>this would have saved TF2, WoW, OSRS and dozens of other games
TF2 is fine, WoW suffers from developer blunder, and honestly who the frick plays old school runescape except boomers and contrarians?
>the risk of leaks is zero because THE DATA IS NOT SAVED LOCALLY
Again, you're an idiot if you really believe this
>Is there any reason to be against this other than sheer tech illiteracy?
Damn son you glow frickin bright
>face scan
easily fooled by people trying to cheat or game the system. like pretty much all restrictions, it only punishes legitimate users who care about and follow rules.
>not stored locally
if the data is transferred, then the data is saved. if you honestly trust corporations then you're literally moronic
>sheer tech illiteracy
sheer irony
>it only punishes legitimate users who care about and follow rules.
worst of all, once they are in the system, they can't back out since corpos already have their data.
>muh corpos
Echoing this sentiment is just going to build a predjudice, when the problem is that these people are evading their customers as-if they have covid.
Everything is a psyop of pure coincidence.
corpos are doing this at the behest of bugmint. it's a win-win for both.
just like the 1st amendment is dead since daily communication is carried out through 'private platforms'
All this translates in my eyes into something like;
>"waah join my clan, we can beat those other guys score"
Clout chasing on Ganker is dangerously cheesy. If I found your post funny, I'd at least be at ease.
If my homies in Apple don't trust these homies, then I don't trust these homies. Frick Sony.
If they delete the info how would they enforce bans? Just register again with the same ID and it'll be like the first time they saw it
dude, everything sucks and is a dystopian hopeless crap chute, but also it would be a good thing if you had to register your federal id to play sum vidya
Dank cyberpunk future memeing all the way aside, this would be hilarious to really see. Not because of the inevitable corporate awkwardness, but because of the cognitive dissonance required, for a feature like this.
Online game services from the previous generations are already at risk; how will they have the long-term infrastructure to keep their access up, in the far future?
The SNES can play better than this. If you get facial damage, you won't lose the ability to boot it. Not to mention that, it'll always just werk; because no server downtime.
>>your face and government ID would not be stored locally, all of it would be deleted after verification
oh i'm really sure that those promises are not a lie and they will do whatever they want with those. nah pal if you believe big corpo you are the fool.
>instead of getting stalked on your game and forum accounts by psychos they get to stalk you irl now too
cool fun and safe I love the future
>face and ID get deleted after verification
>meaning you'd be gone from their database, and if you signed up with your ID again they wouldn't know you already have an account
>this somehow stops ban evasion
Something doesn't add up here.
There's no problem with this sharing of information if Sony also gets in the system.
You mean the tech illiteracy of pretending this does nothing unless they save the data since your ID would be meaningless if not saved and the tech illiteracy of pretending no one can intercept the data the moment it leaves your home network?
>
about privacy
>Posted on Ganker
>Use a phone to make a phone call/text
>Worked at a job
>Lived with your parents or adoption agency
>Have health insurance
>Shouted from outside of your car calling me a homosexual once
>Used a credit/debit card
>Went to school
>Have a Social Security Number
>Bought anything online
>Saw a doctor for anything
>Sucked someones wiener
>Sucked MY wiener
>Took a vacation out of state via a travel agency
>Have a bank account
(YOU) are all gay hypocrites!
whats it called when gay people do this?
they like list a bunch of other shitty things to justify a shitty thing.
it's so gay they literally made a word for it.
Insecurity?
whataboutism
I wish ragebait wasn't required for anything to be discussed here. It's always
>Games would be better if you had to verify your face/governemnt ID in order to play
and never ever
>Frick Sony, who agrees
I believe this is true, but I also believe that this should never be done and you are a moron for suggesting it
Let me get this straight. The only reason sony demands a psn account is because they want to collect data and they want a face picture of me or my id for registration which they claim will surely be deleted? I dont know man. Sounds kinda fishy.
Snowden really gave up his life for nothing didn't he?
Unfortuantely so, and most people think hes a bad guy after trying to help regular people.
Honestly, the majority of our species would only start to take serious action if our dirty laundry were publicly aired out for all to see like a lottery. Kinda' like the Black Mirror episode where a pedo was told commit crimes or else he'd get doxed.
the power grabbing always feels really shortsighted to me tbh.
like a company thinks "we will grab as much intrusive data as we can on every single person in the world so we can do fricked up things with it"
but then doesn't realize that the company one building over is doing the same thing and has all their personal data on all of them too.
and the one next to them too.
like what is the end state here? all of them living in a corporate hellscape? do they personally want to live in a corporate hellscape? it feels like they dont see more than 6 months into the future.
Well, someone has to be responsible for that data. They can't just flop all the launch face data on a USB and give a homeless guy 100K a month to hold it. It's currently ethically fine for the corp to maintain the data for the services they provide; it's just that...
well, it would be helpful if you said what's so wrong about maintaining data.
Not to mention the data becomes useless to sell after contracts are up. I think they're just passing a bag they can't sell
It really is cartoonishly tyrannical and trend chase-y.
It's a slow thing that creeps up unknowingly, I used to work at a crypto exchange, and it starts with:
>"lets track user journeys so we can see where people fall off"
then goes to:
>"lets recommend shitcoins to people with recent losses because they're more likely to buy"
and then
>"if only we had more info on peoples demographics, then we could offer the poor dumb people discounts/loans/shorts and give them worse spreads and they wouldn't notice."
with each of these decisions compounding the money made.
dont like it - create your game
Run them over.
>we totally won't keep your information
>we'll totally delete it pinky promise
>we'll definitely not horde it and sell it off to the highest bidder
>Not saved locally
Then you just steal an ID and use it a million times.
>But it will ban cheaters and botters and bad sports
How? They don't save it but they have it on permanent record too? So we end up with immutable logs of all online activity attached to our ID and face, yet, it's not saved and can't be leaked?
>the risk of leaks is zero because THE DATA IS NOT SAVED LOCALLY
Except it would be. No company on this planet would turn down that much money. It's a pointless exercise to even pretend otherwise.
suddenly I understand the debacle of Helldivers. Never give enterainment corpos your private info that includes face pictures and goverment ids they are literally overstepping their bounds.
classic instead of punishing the offenders more, just spy and restrict the liberty of every user