His first few incarnations he was basically Boss Moblin, rather than anyone human. Ganondorf just popped up later in OoT with his own backstory and has been the same Ganondorf for every game, aside from Four Swords Legends.
I think ALttP implies him and all the moblins were evil humans that got turned into pig monsters in the Dark Realm in the same way Link was turned into a bunny
There's a theory that the Twili are descended from a group of Banished Gerudo and Sheikah. The Sheikah symbol is found on the throne that Zant sits on and the Fused Shadow has the Sheikah eye on it. Also one of the symbols on Zant looks somewhat like the Gerudo symbol.
I always got the vibe there were hostile sheikah during Hyrule's war that is alluded to in Ocarina of Time
The sheikah stones are everywhere spying on people
The sheikah are almost wiped out by the time Ocarina starts
The shadow temple and all its messages
The Sheikah, being based on ninjas, were meant to be the bloody hand of the Hyrule royal family, hiding in the shadows, doing their dirty work. The Shadow Temple was about the darker side of Hyrule's leadership. It's where they kept and tortured enemies of the kingdom, probably including whoever they were fighting in the war mentioned in the backstory.
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Nintendo moved away from the gritty N64 games. Everything is standard weeb anime stuff now
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The Sheikah, being based on ninjas, were meant to be the bloody hand of the Hyrule royal family, hiding in the shadows, doing their dirty work. The Shadow Temple was about the darker side of Hyrule's leadership. It's where they kept and tortured enemies of the kingdom, probably including whoever they were fighting in the war mentioned in the backstory.
There's only two Zelda timelines. The best timeline where Koizumi became the Zelda lead, and the worst timeline where he became the Mario lead. We live in the worst timeline.
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for the best, majoras mask was good for that kind of stuff but seems like it would be aweful if they attempted to try to recreate that nowadyas
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How so?
Who is best link and why is it skyward sword link
Twilight Princess Link. Twilight Princess in general just did a good job of making you feel epic and heroic.
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The war was against the garudo so they probably had some kinky shit going on down there
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They were also supposed to be dying out in OoT but that got retconned
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You know they could've rebuilt themselves by assimilating outsiders?
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i dont know if its cause of sub conciouess conditioning from i was a kid or nothing but replaying the games i still get creeped out at parts.
I always got the vibe there were hostile sheikah during Hyrule's war that is alluded to in Ocarina of Time
The sheikah stones are everywhere spying on people
The sheikah are almost wiped out by the time Ocarina starts
The shadow temple and all its messages
>Gossip Stone in OOT states that the Sheikah symbol originally didn't have a teardrop; it was added later on to represent a betrayal by the Royal Family >In SS, Impa's clothing has the eye with the teardrop
I was a little disappointed
This >My country lay within a vast desert. When the sun rose into the sky, a burning wind punished my lands, searing the world. And when the moon climbed into the dark of night, a frigid gale pierced our homes. No matter when it came, the wind carried the same thing... Death. But the winds that blew across the green fields of Hyrule brought something other than suffering and ruin. I coveted that wind, I suppose. >Yeah sure my people hated me because I ruled over them tyrannically and ignored their plight as I went around trying to kill off entire races and spreading darkness around the land, but I'm still sympathetic feel bad for me 🙁
Unrepentant power-hungry Ganondorf is the best Ganondorf
In my head there's two pig Ganons. The version in OoT, TP, and HW is bigger and more bestial. It's a beast form granted by the Triforce of Power the same way the Triforce of Courage turns Link into a wolf. The other form is the bright blue more humanoid one seen in all the other games, which is the result of the Sacred Realm changing his appearance to reflect his personality (greedy pig), like how it turns Link into a pink bunny cuz he's pure of heart.
>Has there been a version of Ganondorf that isn't the same guy from ocarina of time
No. Theres been a different Ganon though in FSA but thats barely even relevant and I imagine Nintendo will ignore it in botw2 if they decide to reference Ganon/Ganondorf past stuff.
The version from FSA supposedly is, but I'm not convinced. Timeline placement doesn't seem right. Think it might be an alternate branch splitting before OoT.
He's great, I love his voice and how he teleports around all the time
Where does that fall on the timeline?
Both the Zelda cartoon series and Zelda CDi games are based on the NES games, though the cartoon would have to be before Zelda II since there's still only two Triforce pieces
Ganondorf should have been a one-time thing. ALttP established that he was a human once, and OoT showed it.
Pig Ganon with Ganondorf's personality could work.
>Pig Ganon with Ganondorf's personality could work.
Strongly agree. We get a brief glimpse of it in ALttP, but since he only shows up just in time for the boss fight, we don't see much. All the other games take place after his mind was broken in OoX so he's just a mindless raging beast, which leads naturally to the calamity seen in BotW.
Ganon only sucks because Nintendo won't let him talk anymore.
He was fine in ALttP for example. The problem is that mute Ganon comes across as a mindless animal which is really lame for someone who is supposed to be the big deal legacy bad guy.
BotW has this the worst since he actually is a mindless beast in that game.
I thought of it the opposite way; if Nintendo is going to have every villain secretly controlled by Ganondorf anyway, why not make new villains related directly to Ganondorf to begin with?
Zelda timeline works better if you only consider the following canon
Skyward Sword
OOT
MM
WW
TP
BOTW
All the 2d games should be ignored. The 2 way timeline split is fine. BOTW is just after TP. Hyrule stop existing in WW and they moved on at the end to new lands.
wild boars have a ton of muscle that makes penetrating their skin a huge pain. it's why you usually need a strong gun and well placed shot to take it out
Skyward Sword and Breath of the Wild are the only 100% canon games. Everything else is pseudo canon and didn't go down how we played them (like OOT). Some version of OOT happened with random shit they pick and choose but not exactly what we saw play out as references in BOTW to OOT dont line up with what we actually played as they reference stuff from both the adult and child timeline.
>Some version of OOT happened with random shit they pick and choose but not exactly what we saw play out as references in BOTW to OOT dont line up with what we actually played as they reference stuff from both the adult and child timeline.
What contradicts both events from playing out?
Zelda has some pretty interesting lore and, while trying to piece everything together between each game can be pretty fun, it's ultimately pointless because the story is always secondary when it comes to the game's development.
As far as BOTW is concerned only Skyward Sword and Ocarina of Time happened. It doesn't reference any other game in the Japanese script. English script that references twilight princess doesn't count.
Zelda has some pretty interesting lore and, while trying to piece everything together between each game can be pretty fun, it's ultimately pointless because the story is always secondary when it comes to the game's development.
It seems like they've become aware of that with breath of the wild and are trying to reign it in a bit by having it set after everything thats ever happened
I think Ganon is probably just special since nothing ever says that Link or Zelda have anything like that. You could argue the piece of power is empowering his lifeforce or whatever though
Link doesn't need the Triforce of Courage to have the willpower to fight. I think the Triforce of Courage exist as proof of Courage or just to balance the other two.
Exactly what it says on the tin. You ever see Link shy away from danger? Nah he just straight up dives head-first into whatever freakish monster wants to frick his shit up that particular day.
Link rarely ever has any piece of the Triforce throughout the Zelda series.
BOTW may as well not even be part of the rest of the Zelda series due to the absurd time gap of over 10,000 years. I think OOT is supposed to be like 20,000 years before BOTW.
Yes like what the frick is up with that? Also Midna is no doubt long gone and dead.
It dispels curses and evil, IIRC.
I think the games make a point that the ToC is earned, Link has to prove he is worthy of it more than Zelda or Ganondorf do.
This. Ganondorf got power because it's what he valued the most when first touched the triforce and it split. But Link and Zelda got theirs due to being the folks most worthy of it.
>What the hell does the triforce of courage even do. Zelda get like prophetic foresight and magic but what does link get?
take the opening to Link to the Past. Link is like a teenager. One night his dad vanishes and he follows him. HE finds his dad fricking dying, takes his sword, storms the castle, rescues the princess, and becomes a fugitive in one night.
Do girls prefer Link or Ganon? You see 1 billion zelda girls threads it makes you wonder
Ganondorf appeals more to gay men due to the whole bara thing, Link is more the female archetype
Link doesn't have the triforce of courage in ALttP.
He's that brave all on his own.
In fact most of the time he doesn't have it. It's really only TP Link that has the triforce from the start.
Link from the Oracle games has it too, since many characters mention it on his hand.
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OoX Link is the same as LttP. Full triforce is still in Hyrule, it sends him to Holdrom/other place who's name I can't remember. I think he just has the mark because he obtained the full thing after killing Ganon.
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The opening cutscene for both games is Link obtaining the triforce and being transported to Holodrum/Labrynna with it on his hand.
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>OoX Link is the same as LttP
debunked. Zelda doesnt recognise him
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BS their designs don't match.
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you dont even need to look at design. Princess Zelda is in oracles linked game and she doesnt know who Link is
The most I can think of in a mechanical aspect is that it allows you to break evil magic. Windwaker you have to get courage before you're able to break Ganondorf's barrier.
>take the opening to Link to the Past.
He doesn't have the triforce of courage in LttP. Ganon's got the whole thing. Link is consistently courageous without the ToC. ToC's powers are a hodgepodge of features that seem to work so long as you have the courage to continue.
>over time, bowser gets more and more screentime and eventually even gets his own games >over time, ganondorf gets less and less screentime and eventually is reduced to a sacrificial object or a concept
Why? Why? Why? Why? He's literally wasted potential: the character. His showing in hyrule warriors was the best we've gotten of him in the entire franchise.
I don't know anything about zelda timeline stuff. HW Ganon was cool because he got ample screentime, intelligently manipulated other characters into doing what he wanted, led Zant and Ghirahim, and got plenty of chances to fight and show his strength. Easily the best showing he's had in a zelda game. He needs his own title.
Link, Zelda, Ganondorf and Impa in Hyrule Warriors are new incernations of those characters, though they have costumes of previous incarnations.
Other characters are pulled from their respective game via time travel.
>Ganondorf
Same dude every time, bar FSA. >Zelda
Contiguous bloodline. SS Zelda is a one time reincarnation of Hylia via transmigration of soul. >Link
Most unrelated, although they occasional are (eg Hero of Time to Hero of Twilight). Is reincarnation, but not via transmigration of souls (hence why we can have multiple Links talking to each other).
Reincarnation is naturally occurring in Zelda, and people look eerily similar across incarnations and usually have the same name. Beedle and Tingle are perfect examples of this. Link is just another one.
BOTW may as well not even be part of the rest of the Zelda series due to the absurd time gap of over 10,000 years. I think OOT is supposed to be like 20,000 years before BOTW.
>I think OOT is supposed to be like 20,000 years before BOTW.
It's even longer, Calamity Ganon took 10,000 years to manifest after the previous attempt, and might have taken 10,000 years to manifest that time too. It could be anywhere between 30,000 to 100,000
Anon is shitposting. SSB presents characters in their original styles. It's all just a kid playing with action figures. Obviously they don't canonically look that way.
In the toon artstyle yes, in any other artstyle no. It's been repeatedly demonstrated that the Zelda team refuses to make any toon Link distinct, goin so far as to keep his exact outfit from WW, even when it doesn't make sense. OoT and TFH Links were previously established as having different outfits but retroactively get the WW one when they appear in the toon artstyle. Every other artstyle has made each Link visually distinct, with slightly different outfits and faces.
BOTW is in the fallen timeline as its the only one without a 3D conclusion to Ganondorf. WW kills Ganondorf in the Adult Timeline and TP kills Ganondorf in the Child Timeline. So BOTW2 can kill Ganondorf in the fallen Timeline. There Ganon/Ganondorf is gone forever and will never be in a Zelda game ever again.
Its just a way for Nintendo to move on like they wanted to do with Windwaker. Eiji Aonuma wanted WW to be the last we dealt with Ganondorf and Hyrule. He wanted the series to move on to other things back then but the huge backlash to WW made them go back to Hyrule and Ganondorf with TP. BOTW 2 will be the last we ever see of Ganondorf and Ganon. Gone for good.
>Nintendo gives some bullshit lore reasons why Link, Zelda and Ganondorf keep coming back >Doesn't explain why NPCs like Malon or Tingle keep coming back
They're canon to the Wind Waker timeline, but they're not canon to Minish Cap and the Four Sword games.
The toybox graphics aren't canon to Link's Awakening either.
Yes. for example, the reason most males have massive swole upper bodies but tiny emaciated legs is due to natural selection pressuring the evolution of more hydrodynamic morphology.
>tfw they delayed botw2 to secretly add playable Zelda sections and wont say anything about this pre release and players will find out when they play the game
His women literally go to Hyrule to take big hylian wiener just so that they can continue the cycle of whoring themselves out to BHC. Complacency would literally make him a cuck king.
Gerudo are literally mutant freakazoid Hylians given the males of their “race” are all Hylian dudes. Malon’s proof that not even every female Gerudo is born a Gerudo and that some are born Hylians
It apparently makes you immortal in one way or another. Ganon is unkillable, Zelda clones herself through her own lineage, and Link spontaneously reincarnates
Unrelated bro. In OoT, WW and TP Ganondorf is never killed while he has the ToP in his possession. He only dies in Ww and TP after losing it, and basically withstands any punishment up until that point. He has to be sealed away in OoT because despite everything done to him it appears that he just can't be killed while having the ToP in his possession.
Things get a little weirder when we look at the early games, but Ganon typically stores the Triforce in another room, and the Silver Arrows may make it a special case. Out of universe, it seems that the NES/SNES era was just largely being ignored for story purposes in the N64/GC era.
Anyway, all of this is distinct form Demise's Curse which just ensures someone evil being is going to spawn to frick with everyone every so often.
The game’s story is literally his minions are still running around Hyrule fricking shit up and that they’re trying to capture link so that they can resurrect Ganon, anon
It would be way funnier if Zelda dies in the first few minutes of botw2. Ganondorf just going all out killing Zelda and smashing Master Sword to eliminate the means to kill him
Ganondorf is dope. On a related note, I recentely saw a video that reminded me of the ending scene of twilight princess and windwaker. How absolutely fricking dope, especially TP. Dude get fricking stabbed and theres just....silence.
Dying on your feet is a fairly common trope. Not sure where the original comes from, but pic related was pretty damn influential. Also worth noting Raoh was one of the original influences for Ganondorf.
christ this is a menacing iteration. no wonder OoT is kino
Easily my favourite version of piggy. Everything about that fight was kino.
I like Vaati and the other demon kings more than I like Ganon. The next Zelda game after BOTW2 should introduce a reocurring villain distinct from Ganon
I know this is a ganondorf thread but playing hyrule warrors for the first time and seeing Link at the apex of his martial skills as a swordsmen made me hard as a rock and I wasn't even thinking of the gerudo link at the time. It's everything I ever wanted him to be in terms of a power fantasy. Just thought I'd share that and hope we get more of Final form Link sooner or later
What are the chances Link will be left-handed in a future game after BotW 2? It was a minor thing, but I've always liked it. Right-handed Link just feels off.
Oink oink oink
His first few incarnations he was basically Boss Moblin, rather than anyone human. Ganondorf just popped up later in OoT with his own backstory and has been the same Ganondorf for every game, aside from Four Swords Legends.
Well the seeds of that are kinda set in a link to the past were he's stated to originally be human.
I think ALttP implies him and all the moblins were evil humans that got turned into pig monsters in the Dark Realm in the same way Link was turned into a bunny
Ganondorf in alttp used the triforce to turn into Ganon.
christ this is a menacing iteration. no wonder OoT is kino
That isn't a pig; they don't have a fat pig belly that jiggles...
>neutered in the 3ds remake
What a shit show.
Ocarina of time is just as good as people give it credit for, change my mind
you just KNOW that TP ganondorf fricked Zelda at least once
What happened to the garudo in twilight princess? He ain't got a harem of hot red heads no more
Either exiled or exterminated, most likely the former.
there has to be some left since they still exist in botw. Then again, the zelda timeline doesn't make any sense
Sure it does. It just split during OoT.
There's a theory that the Twili are descended from a group of Banished Gerudo and Sheikah. The Sheikah symbol is found on the throne that Zant sits on and the Fused Shadow has the Sheikah eye on it. Also one of the symbols on Zant looks somewhat like the Gerudo symbol.
The throne that Zant sits on
Better image of throne
>Sheikah have their hands in fricking everything and may/may not be a malign force
For the love of god Nintendo give me closure I BEG
I always got the vibe there were hostile sheikah during Hyrule's war that is alluded to in Ocarina of Time
The sheikah stones are everywhere spying on people
The sheikah are almost wiped out by the time Ocarina starts
The shadow temple and all its messages
The Sheikah, being based on ninjas, were meant to be the bloody hand of the Hyrule royal family, hiding in the shadows, doing their dirty work. The Shadow Temple was about the darker side of Hyrule's leadership. It's where they kept and tortured enemies of the kingdom, probably including whoever they were fighting in the war mentioned in the backstory.
Nintendo moved away from the gritty N64 games. Everything is standard weeb anime stuff now
There's only two Zelda timelines. The best timeline where Koizumi became the Zelda lead, and the worst timeline where he became the Mario lead. We live in the worst timeline.
for the best, majoras mask was good for that kind of stuff but seems like it would be aweful if they attempted to try to recreate that nowadyas
How so?
Twilight Princess Link. Twilight Princess in general just did a good job of making you feel epic and heroic.
The war was against the garudo so they probably had some kinky shit going on down there
They were also supposed to be dying out in OoT but that got retconned
You know they could've rebuilt themselves by assimilating outsiders?
i dont know if its cause of sub conciouess conditioning from i was a kid or nothing but replaying the games i still get creeped out at parts.
>Gossip Stone in OOT states that the Sheikah symbol originally didn't have a teardrop; it was added later on to represent a betrayal by the Royal Family
>In SS, Impa's clothing has the eye with the teardrop
I was a little disappointed
I like the theory that the twili were formed by the enterlopers but they were of several different tribes and had been powerful sorcerers from each
She can blow him standing up.
Why is he so bloated in Wind Waker?
TRT and weed, just like rogan
water weight
When he escaped from the white room he got trapped in at end of OOT he was very hungry and ate a lot of food and got fat
wasnt the planned termina version of Ganodorg suppose to be some chill guy that just fishes?
That would have been fricking hilarious but i get why they didn't do that, would ruin the presence Ganondorf has
I would love to see that though.
He'd have a straw hat and a piece straw in his mouth.
Love Pig Ganon
Love Desert Bandit Ganondorf
Hate sympathetic Ganondorf in Wind Waker.
This
>My country lay within a vast desert. When the sun rose into the sky, a burning wind punished my lands, searing the world. And when the moon climbed into the dark of night, a frigid gale pierced our homes. No matter when it came, the wind carried the same thing... Death. But the winds that blew across the green fields of Hyrule brought something other than suffering and ruin. I coveted that wind, I suppose.
>Yeah sure my people hated me because I ruled over them tyrannically and ignored their plight as I went around trying to kill off entire races and spreading darkness around the land, but I'm still sympathetic feel bad for me 🙁
Unrepentant power-hungry Ganondorf is the best Ganondorf
It's really trying to make you feel bad for Stalin.
This deconstruction shit should stay out of Zelda & just stick to the monomyth.
Stalin?
I think he's a character in one of the handheld games
Uncle Joe.
What do you think of the original Ganon pig design in WW?
No one gives a frick about Ganon bro.
WW Ganon > rest
give me daddy ganon dick plox
Termina is just the mirror universe.
Why does he become a pig anyway?
Is it just the triforce of power?
Why doesn't he turn into demise?
Likely as a symbol of his greed.
In my head there's two pig Ganons. The version in OoT, TP, and HW is bigger and more bestial. It's a beast form granted by the Triforce of Power the same way the Triforce of Courage turns Link into a wolf. The other form is the bright blue more humanoid one seen in all the other games, which is the result of the Sacred Realm changing his appearance to reflect his personality (greedy pig), like how it turns Link into a pink bunny cuz he's pure of heart.
For me it's Saturday morning Gannon
Where does that fall on the timeline?
Has there been a version of Ganondorf that isn't the same guy from ocarina of time
No unless you count Demise
>Has there been a version of Ganondorf that isn't the same guy from ocarina of time
No. Theres been a different Ganon though in FSA but thats barely even relevant and I imagine Nintendo will ignore it in botw2 if they decide to reference Ganon/Ganondorf past stuff.
The version from FSA supposedly is, but I'm not convinced. Timeline placement doesn't seem right. Think it might be an alternate branch splitting before OoT.
Which Ganon is that at the bottom?
Phantom Ganon, the boss of the Forest Temple in Ocarina of Time
I think it's young Ganondorf from OoT, from when you and Zelda look in on his meeting with the King.
But he was already evil and by that point already cursed the great deku tree, lord jabu January, and blocked the goron food supply
Young OoT Ganon who is used as the basis for Phantom Ganon
Never really thought about it before but that's probably close to how he would've looked during the civil war as well
This one reminds me of that hentai where a highschool is invaded by orcs who kill the guys and rape the girls.
OoT Ganondorf > TP = HW > WW
He's great, I love his voice and how he teleports around all the time
Both the Zelda cartoon series and Zelda CDi games are based on the NES games, though the cartoon would have to be before Zelda II since there's still only two Triforce pieces
agreed
Pig Ganon is kind of hot though I'd also really like to cuddle and be fricked by WW Ganon. TP ganon is overrated tbh
OoT, TP and HW had the best Ganondorf designs, and only OoT managed to nail the pig form look
Ganondorf should have been a one-time thing. ALttP established that he was a human once, and OoT showed it.
Pig Ganon with Ganondorf's personality could work.
>Pig Ganon with Ganondorf's personality could work.
Strongly agree. We get a brief glimpse of it in ALttP, but since he only shows up just in time for the boss fight, we don't see much. All the other games take place after his mind was broken in OoX so he's just a mindless raging beast, which leads naturally to the calamity seen in BotW.
So are they going to try and make him tragic in botw2 or will they just go full edgelord villain?
Ganon only sucks because Nintendo won't let him talk anymore.
He was fine in ALttP for example. The problem is that mute Ganon comes across as a mindless animal which is really lame for someone who is supposed to be the big deal legacy bad guy.
BotW has this the worst since he actually is a mindless beast in that game.
I think that's just the down fall timeline. The garudo witches try to resurrect homemade but fail leaving him feral for a while
What if they gave Ganondorf a wife and/or daughter for additional villains?
What about a Husband?
frick off
the only family they should use for Ganon are his two adoptive mothers
What if he married Twinrova and they had a daughter?
Who's ganons father?
Just some smuck who got some garudo pussy?
probably the previous Gerudo king that was either killed in the civil war or died of old age
But isn't a male only born only once in a very long time?
It's one male for every hundred years, and Ganondorf is already decently old in Ocarina, at least his 30s if not 40s
>Well come!
Ffs, can we have a villain not related to Ganon again? Vaati and Majora were both great.
I thought of it the opposite way; if Nintendo is going to have every villain secretly controlled by Ganondorf anyway, why not make new villains related directly to Ganondorf to begin with?
>Vaati
>great
I love pig Ganon because I want a live action animatronic like from Razorback.
Zelda timeline works better if you only consider the following canon
Skyward Sword
OOT
MM
WW
TP
BOTW
All the 2d games should be ignored. The 2 way timeline split is fine. BOTW is just after TP. Hyrule stop existing in WW and they moved on at the end to new lands.
Disgusting.
You are a terrible Zelda fan.
>Hyrule stop existing in WW and they moved on at the end to new lands.
& really, REALLY dumb.
They did. they sailed away in the boat and moved on and left Hyrule behind
Wind Waker should be considered apocrypha.
The Gods would never flood the world.
Why not? Flood myths are pretty common in mythologies.
literally nothing says that Hyrule can't be unflooded, and BotW treats all three timelines as canon anyway
Downfall timeline is constant ass pulls. Even the witches shit as Link literally killed them in OOT and they are alive and well in Oracles
That is the one where link dies so can't he have died at any point before he killed twinrova?
The downfall timeline specially says he died fighting Ganon so he did all the dungeons
Well maybe ganon resurrected them between Oot and Alttp
But anon, that's the timeline where Link failed, so obviously he didn't kill them in that timeline
There is no Zelda timeline, They're just campfire stories with differing details.
I can't be the only one who sees a resemblance
>he thinks that's fat and not Gannon strongman powerlifting training at the bottom of the ocean for years
>Still a piggy though
wild boars have a ton of muscle that makes penetrating their skin a huge pain. it's why you usually need a strong gun and well placed shot to take it out
Skyward Sword and Breath of the Wild are the only 100% canon games. Everything else is pseudo canon and didn't go down how we played them (like OOT). Some version of OOT happened with random shit they pick and choose but not exactly what we saw play out as references in BOTW to OOT dont line up with what we actually played as they reference stuff from both the adult and child timeline.
There is no canon.
>Everything else is pseudo canon and didn't go down how we played them (like OOT)
That's every video game ever you dunce.
>Scouter breaking autism.
>Some version of OOT happened with random shit they pick and choose but not exactly what we saw play out as references in BOTW to OOT dont line up with what we actually played as they reference stuff from both the adult and child timeline.
What contradicts both events from playing out?
I forget. Something to do with Ruto
I guess zora could still be around in windwaker. Its not like they all become ruto
No something about her being a sage. I forget. I just remember at launch people saying it didnt line up
Jack shit. It's clearly the Downfall Timeline, i.e. the main timeline.
How is Twilight Princess not 100%?
What lore do you find interesting?
the stuff for mm
As far as BOTW is concerned only Skyward Sword and Ocarina of Time happened. It doesn't reference any other game in the Japanese script. English script that references twilight princess doesn't count.
>Moar scouter breaking autism.
It references every fricking game.
Zelda has some pretty interesting lore and, while trying to piece everything together between each game can be pretty fun, it's ultimately pointless because the story is always secondary when it comes to the game's development.
It seems like they've become aware of that with breath of the wild and are trying to reign it in a bit by having it set after everything thats ever happened
>Ganondorf > ganon the big fat piggy
mmhmmm
It just ain't Ganondorf without the almost lions main of beard and eyebrows
Do Tri-Force piece holders have extended life spans?
I think Ganon is probably just special since nothing ever says that Link or Zelda have anything like that. You could argue the piece of power is empowering his lifeforce or whatever though
What the hell does the triforce of courage even do. Zelda get like prophetic foresight and magic but what does link get?
The willpower to fight.
Hyrule is filled with cowards & milksops.
Link doesn't need the Triforce of Courage to have the willpower to fight. I think the Triforce of Courage exist as proof of Courage or just to balance the other two.
Point taken.
Exactly what it says on the tin. You ever see Link shy away from danger? Nah he just straight up dives head-first into whatever freakish monster wants to frick his shit up that particular day.
But he doesn't always have the triforce of courage, he's just always heroic
Link rarely ever has any piece of the Triforce throughout the Zelda series.
Yes like what the frick is up with that? Also Midna is no doubt long gone and dead.
It dispels curses and evil, IIRC.
I think the games make a point that the ToC is earned, Link has to prove he is worthy of it more than Zelda or Ganondorf do.
This. Ganondorf got power because it's what he valued the most when first touched the triforce and it split. But Link and Zelda got theirs due to being the folks most worthy of it.
It gives him the courage to take fat monster wiener up his ass, even when it might split him in two.
Reload
>What the hell does the triforce of courage even do. Zelda get like prophetic foresight and magic but what does link get?
take the opening to Link to the Past. Link is like a teenager. One night his dad vanishes and he follows him. HE finds his dad fricking dying, takes his sword, storms the castle, rescues the princess, and becomes a fugitive in one night.
Ganondorf appeals more to gay men due to the whole bara thing, Link is more the female archetype
Link doesn't have the triforce of courage in ALttP.
He's that brave all on his own.
In fact most of the time he doesn't have it. It's really only TP Link that has the triforce from the start.
Link from the Oracle games has it too, since many characters mention it on his hand.
OoX Link is the same as LttP. Full triforce is still in Hyrule, it sends him to Holdrom/other place who's name I can't remember. I think he just has the mark because he obtained the full thing after killing Ganon.
The opening cutscene for both games is Link obtaining the triforce and being transported to Holodrum/Labrynna with it on his hand.
>OoX Link is the same as LttP
debunked. Zelda doesnt recognise him
BS their designs don't match.
you dont even need to look at design. Princess Zelda is in oracles linked game and she doesnt know who Link is
The most I can think of in a mechanical aspect is that it allows you to break evil magic. Windwaker you have to get courage before you're able to break Ganondorf's barrier.
>take the opening to Link to the Past.
He doesn't have the triforce of courage in LttP. Ganon's got the whole thing. Link is consistently courageous without the ToC. ToC's powers are a hodgepodge of features that seem to work so long as you have the courage to continue.
>Ganondorf appeals more to gay men due to the whole bara thing, Link is more the female archetype
what if we got a link that was swole?
He's pretty swole in twilight princess
>but what does link get?
plot armor
He has officially died in battle twice
Protects Link from twilight by turning him into a wolf instead of letting him become a ghost like everyone else.
It gives him plot armor and max luck.
Do girls prefer Link or Ganon? You see 1 billion zelda girls threads it makes you wonder
Boys like link men like ganondorf
>over time, bowser gets more and more screentime and eventually even gets his own games
>over time, ganondorf gets less and less screentime and eventually is reduced to a sacrificial object or a concept
Why? Why? Why? Why? He's literally wasted potential: the character. His showing in hyrule warriors was the best we've gotten of him in the entire franchise.
Whats he like in warriors?
He's a garudo so is he the same one from oot?
I don't know anything about zelda timeline stuff. HW Ganon was cool because he got ample screentime, intelligently manipulated other characters into doing what he wanted, led Zant and Ghirahim, and got plenty of chances to fight and show his strength. Easily the best showing he's had in a zelda game. He needs his own title.
Link, Zelda, Ganondorf and Impa in Hyrule Warriors are new incernations of those characters, though they have costumes of previous incarnations.
Other characters are pulled from their respective game via time travel.
Is every link blood related or do they just coincidentally look alike.
Every zelda would be since they are the royal bloodline
The Goddess just keep reincarnating Him.
>Ganondorf
Same dude every time, bar FSA.
>Zelda
Contiguous bloodline. SS Zelda is a one time reincarnation of Hylia via transmigration of soul.
>Link
Most unrelated, although they occasional are (eg Hero of Time to Hero of Twilight). Is reincarnation, but not via transmigration of souls (hence why we can have multiple Links talking to each other).
Reincarnation is naturally occurring in Zelda, and people look eerily similar across incarnations and usually have the same name. Beedle and Tingle are perfect examples of this. Link is just another one.
BOTW may as well not even be part of the rest of the Zelda series due to the absurd time gap of over 10,000 years. I think OOT is supposed to be like 20,000 years before BOTW.
I mean fantasy settings always have extreme time gaps. Like realistically in most settings you'd probably have electricity and shit
They do have electricity, it's just legally restricted to weaponry and environmental puzzles.
>I think OOT is supposed to be like 20,000 years before BOTW.
It's even longer, Calamity Ganon took 10,000 years to manifest after the previous attempt, and might have taken 10,000 years to manifest that time too. It could be anywhere between 30,000 to 100,000
>30,000 to 100,000
BotW's lore sucks
Ugh the clashing art style ruin this.
If oot link met ww link would they look the same?
No people devoled in WW.
It is a post-apocalyptic setting.
Wait so they actually look like that and it's not stylistic?
Yep just like the Morlocks from the Time Machine.
Anon is shitposting. SSB presents characters in their original styles. It's all just a kid playing with action figures. Obviously they don't canonically look that way.
>If
Is Toon Link a result of inbreeding?
No, it's just how the world evolved post-flood. The Zoras became the Ritos, the Kokiris became the Koroks, and the Hylians... became Toon.
Truly the Darkside Timeline.
Why do humans look like that in the minish cap then?
They don't look like that in-game
Are the wind tribe, Oocoo and skyloft the same thing?
Speaking as a Zelda lore expert, who tf knows.
In the toon artstyle yes, in any other artstyle no. It's been repeatedly demonstrated that the Zelda team refuses to make any toon Link distinct, goin so far as to keep his exact outfit from WW, even when it doesn't make sense. OoT and TFH Links were previously established as having different outfits but retroactively get the WW one when they appear in the toon artstyle. Every other artstyle has made each Link visually distinct, with slightly different outfits and faces.
The statue in Hyrule Castle suggests yes
Now post the one where the Hero's Shade turns into OoT Link after passing on his skills to TP Link.
Cuckdorf getting cucked.
BOTW is in the fallen timeline as its the only one without a 3D conclusion to Ganondorf. WW kills Ganondorf in the Adult Timeline and TP kills Ganondorf in the Child Timeline. So BOTW2 can kill Ganondorf in the fallen Timeline. There Ganon/Ganondorf is gone forever and will never be in a Zelda game ever again.
When the frick has Ganondorf dying prevented him from coming back
Its just a way for Nintendo to move on like they wanted to do with Windwaker. Eiji Aonuma wanted WW to be the last we dealt with Ganondorf and Hyrule. He wanted the series to move on to other things back then but the huge backlash to WW made them go back to Hyrule and Ganondorf with TP. BOTW 2 will be the last we ever see of Ganondorf and Ganon. Gone for good.
BotW1 should've been the last we saw of him, or rather, the time we see him killed permanently. He'd already been reduced to his most primal form.
WW and TP
But Ganon was killed in Zelda 1 in the fallen timeline.
Thats not a 3D game. I said they want a 3D conclusion to Ganon in every timeline.
Literally the direct sequel to that game has his minions trying to resurrect him.
should me play the minish cap?
Yes. It's very good.
What's very good about it?
Yes. Its fairly short. You could beat in in a few days casually.
Nothing but fond memories of Minish Cap.
>Nintendo gives some bullshit lore reasons why Link, Zelda and Ganondorf keep coming back
>Doesn't explain why NPCs like Malon or Tingle keep coming back
Tingle is the true hero
Are toon graphics canon?
They're canon to the Wind Waker timeline, but they're not canon to Minish Cap and the Four Sword games.
The toybox graphics aren't canon to Link's Awakening either.
Were out of your ASS do you pull these from?
Yes. for example, the reason most males have massive swole upper bodies but tiny emaciated legs is due to natural selection pressuring the evolution of more hydrodynamic morphology.
What will happen to the sheikah slate in botw2?
>tfw they delayed botw2 to secretly add playable Zelda sections and wont say anything about this pre release and players will find out when they play the game
>You only play as link for the first hour or 2
>you play as Zelda
>she wears a revealing kuno-I mean "Sheikha" costume
Not the worst thing.
>playable zelda
>cant undress her to underwear like Link
I have jerk offd furiously to Kaede during the PS2 days.
>tfw Zelda games will only pander to zoomer BOTW fans instead of boomer OOT fans from now on
I like the new toon look for the Awakening Remake.
Boatloads way more charming.
Why do they refuse to tell us what botw2 is really called?
Breath of the wild 2
https://www.ign.com/articles/zelda-breath-of-the-wild-2-official-title-secret
People who say 2D games aren't Canon or believe in a Canon, Need to be skinned alive & thrown down a salt mine.
Everything is canon including cdi
>Everything is canon
I changed my mind.
Why couldn't gano just be happy he had an actual harem of hot amazon women who he could bare the snu snu with
His women literally go to Hyrule to take big hylian wiener just so that they can continue the cycle of whoring themselves out to BHC. Complacency would literally make him a cuck king.
Gerudo are literally mutant freakazoid Hylians given the males of their “race” are all Hylian dudes. Malon’s proof that not even every female Gerudo is born a Gerudo and that some are born Hylians
any link to that thread. i want to read the replies
Just search for one of the unique greentext lines or the post ID
What does the Tri-Force do?
Is it like the Flame Imperishable?
You can cast Wish with it.
No. It's just a wish mcguffin left behind by the world's creators.
It apparently makes you immortal in one way or another. Ganon is unkillable, Zelda clones herself through her own lineage, and Link spontaneously reincarnates
Don't think triforce has anything to do with that, it's Demise's curse
>skyward sword
Unrelated bro. In OoT, WW and TP Ganondorf is never killed while he has the ToP in his possession. He only dies in Ww and TP after losing it, and basically withstands any punishment up until that point. He has to be sealed away in OoT because despite everything done to him it appears that he just can't be killed while having the ToP in his possession.
Things get a little weirder when we look at the early games, but Ganon typically stores the Triforce in another room, and the Silver Arrows may make it a special case. Out of universe, it seems that the NES/SNES era was just largely being ignored for story purposes in the N64/GC era.
Anyway, all of this is distinct form Demise's Curse which just ensures someone evil being is going to spawn to frick with everyone every so often.
Ganondorf was killed in both Twilight Princess and Wind Waker.
I hope Ganondorf in BotW2 is a fricking lich
I personally always felt that "Ganon" should be the humanoid form and "Ganondorf" should be the pig/hog form. Always bothered me
Was Ganon haunting Hyrule in 2?
The game’s story is literally his minions are still running around Hyrule fricking shit up and that they’re trying to capture link so that they can resurrect Ganon, anon
Aw, Thought there was more to it than that.
How about Ganondorf, but with a big fat piggy belly? He would be weak against bellyrubs.
It would be way funnier if Zelda dies in the first few minutes of botw2. Ganondorf just going all out killing Zelda and smashing Master Sword to eliminate the means to kill him
ive been contemplating getting a switch just to play it
Skyward sword is pretty good. Just very very linear. Like there's only 3 areas and they stretch them out a bit
The Wii U is a way better option, or at least it was 'til the closure of the eShop was announced. Switch has like 4 games on it, Wii U has nearly all.
Ganondorf is dope. On a related note, I recentely saw a video that reminded me of the ending scene of twilight princess and windwaker. How absolutely fricking dope, especially TP. Dude get fricking stabbed and theres just....silence.
Dying on your feet is a fairly common trope. Not sure where the original comes from, but pic related was pretty damn influential. Also worth noting Raoh was one of the original influences for Ganondorf.
Easily my favourite version of piggy. Everything about that fight was kino.
Sorceror Pig Monster > Some homosexual in a leotard from the desert
Pure kino
Who is best link and why is it skyward sword link
He has comfy looking pants.
Wind Waker Link for being just a kid
& a Pawn.
I like Vaati and the other demon kings more than I like Ganon. The next Zelda game after BOTW2 should introduce a reocurring villain distinct from Ganon
i want to frick ganondorf in the ass
zant pls
I know this is a ganondorf thread but playing hyrule warrors for the first time and seeing Link at the apex of his martial skills as a swordsmen made me hard as a rock and I wasn't even thinking of the gerudo link at the time. It's everything I ever wanted him to be in terms of a power fantasy. Just thought I'd share that and hope we get more of Final form Link sooner or later
What are the chances Link will be left-handed in a future game after BotW 2? It was a minor thing, but I've always liked it. Right-handed Link just feels off.