At least he's there "on time" and has an opinion on the game.
The biggest issue for me is always friends who say they want to play but flake,
Then when they show up they don't participate.
No, I have players who aren't complete autists like the fat homosexual in OP's post, but if I ever encountered such a person they would be gone from my table ASAP.
You clearly don't play games if you don't understand the value of people who actually care enough to show up.
I have players who care enough to show up, and none of them are the complete whiny c**tbags in OP's image. I would rather have flakey players who want to be there but can't than whiny c**ts who don't actually want to be there and are.
Is knowledgeable enough on the rules and their application to have an opinion on them. Wants a consistent ruleset rather than just constant scene adjudication.
Dude argues like a tard but honestly you could do worse. Probably you need to let him do buy in on the system in order to make a solid player out of him.
Most "broken" things about 5e are rules misunderstandings. The only thing that I think is RAW broken is the character creation changes in Tasha's Cauldron of everything and changing their subclass philosophy from Ability Score Mod to Proficiency bonus without retroactively rebalancing the old subclasses.
XGE, page 126. There's a series of rolls and requirements needed in GP cost. Also, complications and a price table, ranging from 100 GP for a common item to 200,000 GP for a legendary one, with consumables halving the cost.
>The only thing that I think is RAW broken is the character creation changes in Tasha's Cauldron of everything
I find that way more balanced because now nobody has to suck ass at their class's primary function to make an interesting character.
>changing their subclass philosophy from Ability Score Mod to Proficiency bonus without retroactively rebalancing the old subclasses.
This is why when I reworked all the 5e classes/subclasses I changed everything to spec off of Prof. Bonus instead. It's not a hard change to make.
>GM could easily find 4 more players, let alone one,
yes >who are much better at the table than that fat incel.
Unlikely, the players that can be easily found are usually players kicker from another table.
>Unlikely, the players that can be easily found are usually players kicker from another table.
Depends on where you search, I have a total of 8 other people I play with regularly, and 2 more that I play with semi-regularly. That's 11 of us total, and about half of that number also GM. It's piss easy, the only reason it would be hard is if you are in fact the fat incel of your group who is insufferable.
>This forced comic probably made by op in the first place >Implying it is classic >Implying it properly exemplifies the importance of gatekeeping
The real classic gatekeeping comic is the one about women and normies causing a degredation of a hobby. Although at this point, I don't know if you could say it's getting "truer every day". It's more of a "fait accompli". Your overly long comic was surmised by one panel where the newcomers shun and reject the original founders and long-time players.
If you guessed the fat guy, you are correct
Well, worse... Cause he left. Our fat guys >Well uhh... you're banned for trolling! >Frick you, that's harassment and assault >It's my house! >Oh it is? Excuse me while I make death threats in your house...the police should be knocking any minute to ask you some questions for making threats since it's your house and all. It's your liability. They're also gonna wanna know why you have CP on your storage >REEEE IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY BECAUSE JUDEO REASONS!!!
> If you don't want to read it, then you must have a low attention span.
You will never improve if you don't learn to take responsibility for your mistakes. People won't read what you write not because they have low attention spans, but because the tiniest scrap of attention is all your writing deserves.
The strawman complains about the game in general.
The self-insert interprets this as complaining about one specific rule. Even in your cringe power fantasy, you can't read.
>inserts D&D into the comic when it wasn't even mentioned >feels the need to fanfiction the obese manchild as the savior >can't even use proper grammar >or keep his text boxes consistent throughout
Thanks for pointing out you're exactly who the comic was making fun of.
It's funny. The way you effortlessly mock how insecure tg players are that they would deliberately change a comic to appeal to themselves and make it laughably about how "cool" and "hip" and "in-the-know" they see themselves as is kino. Using the joke-of-a-game 'Forbidden Lands' is the cherry on top, showing how truly disconnected from reality about quality psueds really are too, instead of going with the typical GURPS. A perfect satire of fa/tg/uys and their pompous arrogance.
>Op posts a moronic strawman >Anon edit the strawman to make another strawman >Other anon b***h about making yet another strawman of it
You're not any more clever than the anon you replied to.
There was no strawman, the comic in the OP is a literally "insert your own fantasy" about a very real, very vocal, very dipshit portion of tg that criticizes anything, and then the stereotypically pompous and arrogant and insecure /tg/'er just made it about themselves and how pompous and arrogant they are.
In essence, this thread reinforces the "strawman" of OP instead of debunking it. Absolutely bonkers how insanely accurate OP's comic was, now looking back. Originally got a minor chuckle out of me, now it's making me nervous about how accurate it is.
>There was no strawman, the comic in the OP is a literally "insert your own fantasy" about a very real, very vocal, very dipshit portion of tg that criticizes anything,
That doesn't exist irl. There's a distinct difference between people online getting hyperbolic because anonymity and the fictional scenario depicted by op
>and then the stereotypically pompous and arrogant and insecure /tg/'er just made it about themselves and how pompous and arrogant they are.
Black person it's your first time online? How old are you?
>In essence, this thread reinforces the "strawman" of OP instead of debunking it.
What makes you think that anon was trying to "debunk" op? What i see is an onther anon merely engaging in game of editing
>Absolutely bonkers how insanely accurate OP's comic was, now looking back. Originally got a minor chuckle out of me, now it's making me nervous about how accurate it is.
You have serious mental issue fren, get checked.
>What makes you think that anon was trying to "debunk" op? What i see is an onther anon merely engaging in game of editing
Well for starters, he felt defensive enough about it to change the fat character to the "right" one, spouting Ganker buzzwords as well. The only way to read it as a sarcastic mockery of Gankerners and /tg/ers. There's simply no alternative. Only someone as insecure and vain as someone presented in the comic would actually take it seriously, IE, the people the original comic was making fun of, ergo, it reinforces the thread.
Are you a 90 IQ brainlet or something? This is basic rhetoric.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>he felt defensive enough about it
Pot. Meet a whole fricking aisle of kettles.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Was OP being defensive? Seems like he was writing a comic that was down-to-earth and everyone could relate to, IE, a fun-ruining ass-hat who's trying to be the center of attention. I've kicked a few of them out of games myself.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Seems like he was writing a comic that was down-to-earth and everyone could relate to,
It's literally a fricking strawmanned scenario without punchline, the fricking embodiment of a "i am silly" newspaper comic strip.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>without punchline
ESL mudskins need to leave.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I was talking about you, you doorknob. Not sure if really that mad or just incredibly dense.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Seems like he was writing a comic that was down-to-earth and everyone could relate to,
It's literally a fricking strawmanned scenario without punchline, the fricking embodiment of a "i am silly" newspaper comic strip.
You're just making assumptions out of thin air and yet have the guts of calling others retaded? Even worse you're literally having a whole fricking scenario taking place in your mind. You're noting short than delusional.
>samegayging this hard >this angrily >over an MSpaint comic
I bet you're the guy who edited the shitty strawmanned "soulless Hollywood remake" of OP's original idea, kek, would not at all surprise me.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>samegayging this hard
Yeah, mad it is. Anon must have hit a major nerve
9 months ago
Anonymous
I'm just a passerby that got triggered by the sheer hubris of your posts, before yours i was genuinely having fun in this thread. Anyway have the last word if you must, i've got full circle from pissed off to simply annoyed at this point.
9 months ago
Anonymous
This surly clown show isn't worth getting mad over. Take it easy and have a laugh at the absurdity of it.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>samegayging this hard
Yeah, mad it is. Anon must have hit a major nerve
Yea, okay, I'll play along, WINK WINK (as if it's not obvious)
>I was genuinely having fun in this thread
Yea, keep coping, if that helps. You're the butthurt editer that got sour-pussed when I misinterpreted your shitty moron edit as the shitty moron edit that it was.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not the one who made that, I'm just laughing at the intense reaction it's getting. You in particular, and assuming I'm the one that made it so you can yell at that anon directly isn't making you seem any less upset, regardless of what you say.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Oh, nevermind, there you are. Glad to see you're still trying to samegay.
> I'm just laughing at the intense reaction it's getting.
OP is the one who's getting the last laugh since he triggered you into responding in the first place.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Jesus you just keep going. Enjoy the narrative you're building in your head
9 months ago
Anonymous
My god, it is like an Instagram comment section when some normie so butthurt, he makes scenarios in his head and need to have the last word.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Nobody likes your comics, OP. It has nothing to do with reality. Deal with it.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>schizo is being delusional again and drops his samehomosexualry
What a shocker.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You need to understand that samegayging this hard and obvious in such short time frame can't undone the damage.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Undo what damage? Last I checked, you're the one that's mad at OP, not me. Sorry I misinterpreted your shitty moron comic, lmao.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Make another post with "lmao" at the end. Just in case not everyone catch that you are samegay who is "only pretending" and for sure not a normie.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>gets butthurt about getting called out for his samehomosexualry >Y-Y-YOU DO IT TOO
Fricking sad, jesus.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Oh no. Quickly cheer up, homosexual. It is too hearthbreaking seeing you sad after a little spanking you deserve.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Lmao.
Make your next ill-fated pivot from a ceiling fan.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Go back to Instagram.
9 months ago
Anonymous
The frick does that even mean?
9 months ago
Anonymous
I don't know, he's a samegayging schizo who had a catatonic melt-down because I thought his shitty comic was meant to be satirical, not genuine.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>is now schizo'ing out of control thinking he came out on top in this discussion
You're a fricking joke and your edit sucks dude. Just admit you got triggered by OP. It's okay little baby-dick, I won't tell.
9 months ago
Anonymous
OP, it is time to stop. It is getting emberrasing.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You're just making assumptions out of thin air and yet have the guts of calling others retaded? Even worse you're literally having a whole fricking scenario taking place in your mind. You're noting short than delusional.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>frick you >your moronic >delusional >assumptive
Making a lot of bold assumptions there without anything to back it up. I on the other hand have evidence, primarily being the guy who edited the comic, who clearly would not have edited it if he didn't feel defensive about it. Cope and seethe, obese troony, cope and seethe. I imagine OP's comic is gonna get posted quite a bit around here if the reaction it gets is this strong, lmao.
9 months ago
Anonymous
> Makes shit up about his opponent > This is basic rhetoric
Stop pretending to be smarter than you actually are. You aren't fooling anyone.
> I will make up a character that is easy to defeat and humiliate in order to push my narrative > No, that's not a strawman! > He replaced the strawman who cannot come up with an argument with common arguments > That means you have proven the dumb strawman right.!
You are showing us that your defining characteristics are illiteracy, delusion, and dishonesty.
>Art corrupted by seething tards turning everything into current year culture war nonsense that lives rent free in their heads
2012 and onwards was a mistake
> If you make a joke about my shit being long winded > You must not understand human language!
Your dumb defense mechanism makes your insecurity obvious.
Are you kidding? OP comic is obviously extra wordy for a comic. And made so only for the sake of the imaginary argument about an imaginary situation. It is a painfully obvious leftist meme example.
use of angry moron strawman vs calm author self-insert, horribly preachy, no concept of brevity, blends events that might have happened with complete fabricated bullshit to push an agenda
it's like a p#blm comic but at least those are funny ironically
>amount of words >villifies le ebin fat neckbeardgamers >weird scenario involving a woman playing that only a nogames would come up with
Are you kidding? OP comic is obviously extra wordy for a comic. And made so only for the sake of the imaginary argument about an imaginary situation. It is a painfully obvious leftist meme example.
>And made so only for the sake of the imaginary argument about an imaginary situation
Clearly, other-wise it would not have hit home as well as it did and garnered 45 posters and 160+ replies. I assume the israelites are to blame somewhere in there as well?
>Be moronic >Get called a moron >"Lots of people saying it's moronic means it's right!"
That's not how it works, moron.
The improved version of the comic has plenty of engagement. Does that mean that Brian will never be a woman?
use of angry moron strawman vs calm author self-insert, horribly preachy, no concept of brevity, blends events that might have happened with complete fabricated bullshit to push an agenda
it's like a p#blm comic but at least those are funny ironically
Comic is literally the embodiment of /tg/ for the last 5 years. Election tourists ruined this board with their nogames homosexualry. For once, OP did not suck wieners.
This argument embodies, literally, every single D&D argument I've ever had on this putrid fricking board, specifically in regards to called shots.
>"D&D is a broken shitty mess that can't be salvaged. There's no options for martials!" >suggest called shots >"You can't implement called shots, that ruins the entire balance of the game!"
It's like fricking clockwork, you can practically time the exact responses you will get, all from the same slack-jawed homosexuals.
In my version it's his little sister, and they both end up fricking her to act out what happened to her character after a bad roll. Then fat boy walks back in and starts rules lawyering that scenario and throwing magical realm accusations
>What do you mean I should act like a normal person and just play the game we all agreed on before-hand? I have an e-reputation to uphold as an annoying fat frick!
Describes more boards than just /tg/, unfortunately.
>that comic
Imagine you have a wargame, and it has a morale rule. That rule is shit, it’s highly random, tedious to check and leads to stupid gameplay
Now you remove it. Suddenly factions that ignored it or did damage morale (and higher point cost/lower other stats) suck dick, while those that were previously vulnerable to it are now unbeatable.
Ripping parts of a game out does not work as a bandaid unless it’s some minir shit
Gee, good thing they weren't playing a war game then, and they were playing a game based on creating characters and living out fantasies. Though I could see how war games are more deliberately balanced towards such things.
If you "live out" anything during ttrpgs you need to be in a fricking institution you absolute no-games moron.
RPGs are literally the product of wargames, a small singular aspect of another genre, also the industry pioneer and leader has been a wargame for longer than you've been alive.
You managed to get literally everything you said wrong in a different way, sort of impressive.
"This game lets all of your fantasies come true. This is a world where monsters, dragons, good and evil high priests, fierce demons, and even the gods themselves may enter your character's life. Enjoy, for this game is what dreams are made of!"
Gee, sounds like you're a fat fricking no-games dipshit, thumb-up-his-ass moron who should probably get outside more, huh?
"Each of you will become an artful thespian as time goes by -- and you will acquire gold, magic items, and great renown as you become Falstaff the Invincible!"
Oh no, someone call the waaambulance! The book is talking about becoming a fictional character!
9 months ago
Anonymous
Were you gonna even try to respond to that, or is this schizo rambling serving a purpose beyond outlining how much baggage you carry around?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>gets btfo >tries to derail
Many such cases.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I've noticed that he kind of copies how anons respond to him.
someone will lose at the end of a wargame
you can't really lose a ttrpg
in games where you can lose, there should be an agreed upon ruleset with some attempt at balance. otherwise there's little reason to actually try to win
Also not true, you don't even have a concept of what a wargame is.
You know why GMs in old books are called "Referees"?
Because a typical wargame has a game master or a group of them helping to facilitate the roleplaying and hidden information elements of both teams.
The braunstein experiment that you are so haphazardly fumbling around, was what if we ran the social side of the wargame but without the wargame attached? (the first runs still thought they were factionalizing and plotting and killing eachother to effect the university wargame's pivotal city).
Yo waht did that game become with arneson and company?
Oh yeah another wargame, chainmail, to paradoxically run alongside these now meaningless braunsteins.
What did chainmail become? Oh yeah Dnd, made by the guy you quoted who also was outspoken about how the game was just that, a game, not actual life experience.
The fact that you would claim that it is, is dangerously insane.
Not even riffing on you, but if you consider elf-games lived experience you should be in a care home.
You are describing the smaller of the two as the larger and do not understand either genre in the slightest.
Okay
Now imagine a ttrpg with morale mechanic. It’s tedious, takes away control of your character, and requires special dice that always gets lost
You removed it. So now now some classes that were vulnerable to it are grossly overpowered, those that weren’t and sacrificed other traits for it are weak, snd a class whose entire gimmick was based off it is literally unplayable. Enemy balance is out of whack, skeletons are cut down with no trouble, peasant mobs slay dragons and sirens aren’t able to harm you. And since developing that mechanic took time and resources other parts of the game aren’t as well developed, so the game is underdeveloped mechanically as well
>You removed it. So now now some classes that were vulnerable to it are grossly overpowered, those that weren’t and sacrificed other traits for it are weak, snd a class whose entire gimmick was based off it is literally unplayable.
Nope. People play without the morale mechanics quite often and it makes little difference.
This comic is the most starw man I've ever seen. At least it has good intentions, but that unfortunately means that I'm going to be seeing it everyday in Hell.
The reason changing one rule doesn't work isn't because >Mu- mu- mu- d-d-different game yeauh!
It's because that rule probably holds up other rules, which hold up other rules, which hold up other rulese, which partly hold up the rule we just removed, but also causes the collapse of another set of rules elsewhere, which results in a game with even more broken rules.
You may as well just play a different game. I can elaborate for you...
>I can elaborate for you...
Please don't. We can already tell you're a no-games c**t who rules-lawyers because it satisfies his need to powergame. Almost every game I've played it has had some form of house rule, cutting out of certain rules, or banning of certain classes/races/spells/features.
You are not first person in thread who seriously responding to this. But you see, OP is le epic troll. Right now he is writing a post that you are no games/schizo etc.
A few examples of "Fixes" to DnD 5e, or DnD as a whole, include:
>Half HP across the board
This isn't a good fix to the drawn out gameplay and 'low' lethality, because it makes almost all combat applications to non-damaging spells near redundant, and makes DEX even better, because AC doesn't help squat against the spells that do deal damage in combat, like fireball, which by the way means caster supremacy is in fact now twice as real as gaylord martial gays claim it is. It results in a game where everyone is a 18 DEX Wizard with 10 INT, because who needs spell slots when one upcast magic missile kills CR15 monsters with ease.
What, are you now going to fix it again by tweaking monsters to all have spell resistance? All you've done now is make PCs twice as easy to kill, and they're still going to all be Wizards.
What, are you going to change every single spell instead to make them less lethal? Do you know how many spells there are?! Half the damage of all spells?! So the game is just as slow as before?!!?
Just play a game built for brief combat instead.
>Change AC to be a dodge roll, have armor reduce damage taken
Slows down combat, which is the problem people complain about the most when suggesting these 'fixes'. Armor giving DR is novel, but the reason it's not standard is because it still slows down combat.
It also means that every combat character is now a DEX Wizard with 10 INT, because what good is Mage Armor now when it can't prevent an attack?
Just play a game built with contested attack and dodge in mind instead.
>Remove X Class
The classes are borderline the same anyway. The real issue with there being too many classes is that development time and resources were spent creating them when that time could have been spent elsewhere, so their removal does nothing in the long run, since doing so doesn't turn back time and make that time be spent on something more worthwhile.
Just play a game with less classes if it's that big a deal.
>Put it all together
Or play a different game, it's the same difference.
The funny part is, I don't even hate DnD, and I don't mind DMs changing rules. What I do mind is OPs shit ass strawman. There's a legit reason to play a different game, especially if it does everything you want it to do, rather than beating a square peg into a cylinder hole.
You are not first person in thread who seriously responding to this. But you see, OP is le epic troll. Right now he is writing a post that you are no games/schizo etc.
Hey, you were right, look!
>I can elaborate for you...
Please don't. We can already tell you're a no-games c**t who rules-lawyers because it satisfies his need to powergame. Almost every game I've played it has had some form of house rule, cutting out of certain rules, or banning of certain classes/races/spells/features.
That's pretty funny, because he didn't even hear me out and assumed shit.
But no, he's not trolling. He actually thinks this. Trust me, I just know, ok?
Literally says rules are not cut and dried and that the game varies from person to person based on custom rules and referee'ing you lying disingenuous homosexual. Cope-post elsewhere, /tg/ is not for you.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Participants in a campaign have no recourse to the publisher, but they do have the ultimate recourse - since the most effective protest is withdrawal from the offending campaign.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Apparently you didn't read the comic. He left because he was BTFO, not because of a rules-change.
9 months ago
Anonymous
My god, I feel like at this point you will need a separate thread just to keep defending and explaining your comic.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Were you two just arguing about each others posts? You literally just moved the goalposts from your topic of "rules changes not being justifiable" to "le evil heckin fat man in the comic"....?????
Literally says rules are not cut and dried and that the game varies from person to person based on custom rules and referee'ing you lying disingenuous homosexual. Cope-post elsewhere, /tg/ is not for you.
Indeed, you are mindlessly mirroring replies of anons. It seems it is hard for you to come up with some answers. I still can't figure out why are you doing all this. Well, maybe you are just insane.
I DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT WHAT YOU PEOPLE ARE ARGUING, AND COME HERE WITH THE REAL SHIT TO TALK ABOUT.
Every single tabletop game has at least 2 fatal flaws. Why can we not produce one without these?
D&D, mtg, whatever are all overcomplicated luck based games. They aren't competitive and have very shallow learning curves. Obsessive, stinky, unlikeable, pseudointellectual nerds latch onto the games as the basis for their whole identity and ruin the fun because they take the game too seriously. Everything they want to do is because "It's just a game bro It's about having fun!!!!" and everything you want to do is deeply offensive because it triggers their fragile, smelly, ugly egos
/thread
In which order do I read those?
The human non-insect order.
At least he's there "on time" and has an opinion on the game.
The biggest issue for me is always friends who say they want to play but flake,
Then when they show up they don't participate.
Absolutely true, modern /tg/ posters are that fat frick.
>At least he's there "on time" and has an opinion on the game.
Means nothing if he's a whiny piece of shit.
You got some trauma
No, I have players who aren't complete autists like the fat homosexual in OP's post, but if I ever encountered such a person they would be gone from my table ASAP.
I have players who care enough to show up, and none of them are the complete whiny c**tbags in OP's image. I would rather have flakey players who want to be there but can't than whiny c**ts who don't actually want to be there and are.
You clearly don't play games if you don't understand the value of people who actually care enough to show up.
Alternatively, he does play games, just never with anyone so worthless as to not value everyone’s time. If you aren’t a beggar, you can be a chooser.
>At least he's there "on time" and has an opinion on the game.
Those are negative attributes if we'd rather he not show up.
Is knowledgeable enough on the rules and their application to have an opinion on them. Wants a consistent ruleset rather than just constant scene adjudication.
Dude argues like a tard but honestly you could do worse. Probably you need to let him do buy in on the system in order to make a solid player out of him.
I don't get it. The only game that is broken and become more broken with slight home rulling is D&D.
All normal games are always easily adjusted by GM anyways depending on what the group feels like fun.
t. Nogamz
Please have a nice day.
You already did years ago when you became a nogamz homosexual who lives at home without a job.
I see you keep going with projections and still alive. But why? Have you even tried to actually play TTRPG for once?
>The only game that is broken and become more broken with slight home rulling is D&D.
lol
Most "broken" things about 5e are rules misunderstandings. The only thing that I think is RAW broken is the character creation changes in Tasha's Cauldron of everything and changing their subclass philosophy from Ability Score Mod to Proficiency bonus without retroactively rebalancing the old subclasses.
>without retroactively rebalancing the old subclasses.
Just have anything with uses tooled off of modifiers to go off of proficiency.
What are the rules of D&D 5e on the cost of magical items?
XGE, page 126. There's a series of rolls and requirements needed in GP cost. Also, complications and a price table, ranging from 100 GP for a common item to 200,000 GP for a legendary one, with consumables halving the cost.
> XGE
Is it some recent additional splat for the 2014 game, or I should take you seriously?
Xanathar's Guide to Everything was published by WoTC themselves as an official 5e suppliment book. Like Tasha's Cauldron of Everything.
So as I thought.
>I WANT OFFICIAL RULES FOR BUYING MAGIC ITEMS!
>Okay, here's where you can find them
>NO NOT LIKE THAT
have a nice day you subhuman moron.
Lol, stay mad. With approach like that D&D can be considered a GURPS splat.
>D&D players hate reading official rules for their own fricking game
Find a daddy domme DM who will explain them to your moronic ass then
>The only thing that I think is RAW broken is the character creation changes in Tasha's Cauldron of everything
I find that way more balanced because now nobody has to suck ass at their class's primary function to make an interesting character.
>changing their subclass philosophy from Ability Score Mod to Proficiency bonus without retroactively rebalancing the old subclasses.
This is why when I reworked all the 5e classes/subclasses I changed everything to spec off of Prof. Bonus instead. It's not a hard change to make.
You need 12 whole panels to illustrate your strawman? Get good homosexual.
Here you go op
fixed for accuracy
Except players are a dime a dozen and the GM could easily find 4 more players, let alone one, who are much better at the table than that fat incel.
>GM could easily find 4 more players, let alone one,
yes
>who are much better at the table than that fat incel.
Unlikely, the players that can be easily found are usually players kicker from another table.
>Unlikely, the players that can be easily found are usually players kicker from another table.
Depends on where you search, I have a total of 8 other people I play with regularly, and 2 more that I play with semi-regularly. That's 11 of us total, and about half of that number also GM. It's piss easy, the only reason it would be hard is if you are in fact the fat incel of your group who is insufferable.
That's pretty gud
Is it strange that this panel made me ask whether the player and the DM were fricking now that they're alone or if the player just left?
Never change, anon
At least I can always take solace in the fact that I'm less of a gay than OP
>coping fatties
Cringe
Based
Keyed.
Cringe.
>This forced comic probably made by op in the first place
>Implying it is classic
>Implying it properly exemplifies the importance of gatekeeping
The real classic gatekeeping comic is the one about women and normies causing a degredation of a hobby. Although at this point, I don't know if you could say it's getting "truer every day". It's more of a "fait accompli". Your overly long comic was surmised by one panel where the newcomers shun and reject the original founders and long-time players.
Guess who moderates tg?
If you guessed the fat guy, you are correct
Well, worse... Cause he left. Our fat guys
>Well uhh... you're banned for trolling!
>Frick you, that's harassment and assault
>It's my house!
>Oh it is? Excuse me while I make death threats in your house...the police should be knocking any minute to ask you some questions for making threats since it's your house and all. It's your liability. They're also gonna wanna know why you have CP on your storage
>REEEE IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY BECAUSE JUDEO REASONS!!!
aww sweet a schizo post
I'm not reading all that shit.
At least read a book to help your attention span.
> If you don't want to read it, then you must have a low attention span.
You will never improve if you don't learn to take responsibility for your mistakes. People won't read what you write not because they have low attention spans, but because the tiniest scrap of attention is all your writing deserves.
What a cringe fricking comic
The strawman complains about the game in general.
The self-insert interprets this as complaining about one specific rule. Even in your cringe power fantasy, you can't read.
>t. someone who was gatekept
By a willful effort, I will not create a separate thread for the corrected version.
Funny guy.
Excellent and accurate.
Nailed it.
The funniest thing is that some will unironically thing the fat homosexual is in the right here
Easy there, Brian
He is though. Forbidden Lands sounds fricking gay but it's probably better than DnD slop.
> Forbidden Lands sounds fricking gay but it's probably better than DnD slop.
I've made the edit and to be honest I haven't played Forbidden Lands.
But it's probably better than DnD slop.
>DnD slop
>DnD slop
>still samegayging
>not even intelligent enough to hide his writing style
Why do you keep humiliating yourself?
>inserts D&D into the comic when it wasn't even mentioned
>feels the need to fanfiction the obese manchild as the savior
>can't even use proper grammar
>or keep his text boxes consistent throughout
Thanks for pointing out you're exactly who the comic was making fun of.
It's funny. The way you effortlessly mock how insecure tg players are that they would deliberately change a comic to appeal to themselves and make it laughably about how "cool" and "hip" and "in-the-know" they see themselves as is kino. Using the joke-of-a-game 'Forbidden Lands' is the cherry on top, showing how truly disconnected from reality about quality psueds really are too, instead of going with the typical GURPS. A perfect satire of fa/tg/uys and their pompous arrogance.
That WAS the point of it, right?
>Op posts a moronic strawman
>Anon edit the strawman to make another strawman
>Other anon b***h about making yet another strawman of it
You're not any more clever than the anon you replied to.
There was no strawman, the comic in the OP is a literally "insert your own fantasy" about a very real, very vocal, very dipshit portion of tg that criticizes anything, and then the stereotypically pompous and arrogant and insecure /tg/'er just made it about themselves and how pompous and arrogant they are.
In essence, this thread reinforces the "strawman" of OP instead of debunking it. Absolutely bonkers how insanely accurate OP's comic was, now looking back. Originally got a minor chuckle out of me, now it's making me nervous about how accurate it is.
>There was no strawman, the comic in the OP is a literally "insert your own fantasy" about a very real, very vocal, very dipshit portion of tg that criticizes anything,
That doesn't exist irl. There's a distinct difference between people online getting hyperbolic because anonymity and the fictional scenario depicted by op
>and then the stereotypically pompous and arrogant and insecure /tg/'er just made it about themselves and how pompous and arrogant they are.
Black person it's your first time online? How old are you?
>In essence, this thread reinforces the "strawman" of OP instead of debunking it.
What makes you think that anon was trying to "debunk" op? What i see is an onther anon merely engaging in game of editing
>Absolutely bonkers how insanely accurate OP's comic was, now looking back. Originally got a minor chuckle out of me, now it's making me nervous about how accurate it is.
You have serious mental issue fren, get checked.
>What makes you think that anon was trying to "debunk" op? What i see is an onther anon merely engaging in game of editing
Well for starters, he felt defensive enough about it to change the fat character to the "right" one, spouting Ganker buzzwords as well. The only way to read it as a sarcastic mockery of Gankerners and /tg/ers. There's simply no alternative. Only someone as insecure and vain as someone presented in the comic would actually take it seriously, IE, the people the original comic was making fun of, ergo, it reinforces the thread.
Are you a 90 IQ brainlet or something? This is basic rhetoric.
>he felt defensive enough about it
Pot. Meet a whole fricking aisle of kettles.
Was OP being defensive? Seems like he was writing a comic that was down-to-earth and everyone could relate to, IE, a fun-ruining ass-hat who's trying to be the center of attention. I've kicked a few of them out of games myself.
>Seems like he was writing a comic that was down-to-earth and everyone could relate to,
It's literally a fricking strawmanned scenario without punchline, the fricking embodiment of a "i am silly" newspaper comic strip.
>without punchline
ESL mudskins need to leave.
I was talking about you, you doorknob. Not sure if really that mad or just incredibly dense.
>samegayging this hard
>this angrily
>over an MSpaint comic
I bet you're the guy who edited the shitty strawmanned "soulless Hollywood remake" of OP's original idea, kek, would not at all surprise me.
>samegayging this hard
Yeah, mad it is. Anon must have hit a major nerve
I'm just a passerby that got triggered by the sheer hubris of your posts, before yours i was genuinely having fun in this thread. Anyway have the last word if you must, i've got full circle from pissed off to simply annoyed at this point.
This surly clown show isn't worth getting mad over. Take it easy and have a laugh at the absurdity of it.
Yea, okay, I'll play along, WINK WINK (as if it's not obvious)
>I was genuinely having fun in this thread
Yea, keep coping, if that helps. You're the butthurt editer that got sour-pussed when I misinterpreted your shitty moron edit as the shitty moron edit that it was.
I'm not the one who made that, I'm just laughing at the intense reaction it's getting. You in particular, and assuming I'm the one that made it so you can yell at that anon directly isn't making you seem any less upset, regardless of what you say.
Oh, nevermind, there you are. Glad to see you're still trying to samegay.
> I'm just laughing at the intense reaction it's getting.
OP is the one who's getting the last laugh since he triggered you into responding in the first place.
Jesus you just keep going. Enjoy the narrative you're building in your head
My god, it is like an Instagram comment section when some normie so butthurt, he makes scenarios in his head and need to have the last word.
Nobody likes your comics, OP. It has nothing to do with reality. Deal with it.
>schizo is being delusional again and drops his samehomosexualry
What a shocker.
You need to understand that samegayging this hard and obvious in such short time frame can't undone the damage.
Undo what damage? Last I checked, you're the one that's mad at OP, not me. Sorry I misinterpreted your shitty moron comic, lmao.
Make another post with "lmao" at the end. Just in case not everyone catch that you are samegay who is "only pretending" and for sure not a normie.
>gets butthurt about getting called out for his samehomosexualry
>Y-Y-YOU DO IT TOO
Fricking sad, jesus.
Oh no. Quickly cheer up, homosexual. It is too hearthbreaking seeing you sad after a little spanking you deserve.
Lmao.
Make your next ill-fated pivot from a ceiling fan.
Go back to Instagram.
The frick does that even mean?
I don't know, he's a samegayging schizo who had a catatonic melt-down because I thought his shitty comic was meant to be satirical, not genuine.
>is now schizo'ing out of control thinking he came out on top in this discussion
You're a fricking joke and your edit sucks dude. Just admit you got triggered by OP. It's okay little baby-dick, I won't tell.
OP, it is time to stop. It is getting emberrasing.
You're just making assumptions out of thin air and yet have the guts of calling others retaded? Even worse you're literally having a whole fricking scenario taking place in your mind. You're noting short than delusional.
>frick you
>your moronic
>delusional
>assumptive
Making a lot of bold assumptions there without anything to back it up. I on the other hand have evidence, primarily being the guy who edited the comic, who clearly would not have edited it if he didn't feel defensive about it. Cope and seethe, obese troony, cope and seethe. I imagine OP's comic is gonna get posted quite a bit around here if the reaction it gets is this strong, lmao.
> Makes shit up about his opponent
> This is basic rhetoric
Stop pretending to be smarter than you actually are. You aren't fooling anyone.
> I will make up a character that is easy to defeat and humiliate in order to push my narrative
> No, that's not a strawman!
> He replaced the strawman who cannot come up with an argument with common arguments
> That means you have proven the dumb strawman right.!
You are showing us that your defining characteristics are illiteracy, delusion, and dishonesty.
bruh, there aint no fricking way you made this unironically, are you for real?
You had me up until the "X is not a real woman". Thought you were being serious for a moment.
Kudos for the raw, palpable amount of seethe this is generating.
Almost as much as the original comic.
Forbidden lands is unironically worse than 5e, awful taste, holy shit.
Based fat guy.
>t.
The post reeks of Dobson.
lmjej
>Art corrupted by seething tards turning everything into current year culture war nonsense that lives rent free in their heads
2012 and onwards was a mistake
Have you tried not playing D&D?
As you can tell from the fat whiny neckbeard, they are already not playing D&D.
/pol/troons always out themselves as third-worlders by showing they have trouble reading human language.
> If you make a joke about my shit being long winded
> You must not understand human language!
Your dumb defense mechanism makes your insecurity obvious.
You will never be white
You are still a manchild, blaming other people for your inadequacies.
What about that comic shouts "leftist meme" to you exactly?
nta but words words words words words words words
So literally nothing. Okay. Thanks. Got it.
OP, why do you keep doing this?
it gets replies
he is literally >pretending to be moronic
It gets the thread bumped with more posts. He then claims that because there are plenty of posts, his "meme" must be effective.
Being like this is essential for his self worth.
Are you kidding? OP comic is obviously extra wordy for a comic. And made so only for the sake of the imaginary argument about an imaginary situation. It is a painfully obvious leftist meme example.
>And made so only for the sake of the imaginary argument about an imaginary situation
Clearly, other-wise it would not have hit home as well as it did and garnered 45 posters and 160+ replies. I assume the israelites are to blame somewhere in there as well?
Jews? What are you talking about?
>Be moronic
>Get called a moron
>"Lots of people saying it's moronic means it's right!"
That's not how it works, moron.
The improved version of the comic has plenty of engagement. Does that mean that Brian will never be a woman?
use of angry moron strawman vs calm author self-insert, horribly preachy, no concept of brevity, blends events that might have happened with complete fabricated bullshit to push an agenda
it's like a p#blm comic but at least those are funny ironically
>amount of words
>villifies le ebin fat neckbeardgamers
>weird scenario involving a woman playing that only a nogames would come up with
>mfw
>words words words
Didn't read.
the comic that broke /tg/
Cringe
t. nogamz homosexual
This is cringe, but I'll take it since this thread is a gold mine of seethe and rage.
Comic is literally the embodiment of /tg/ for the last 5 years. Election tourists ruined this board with their nogames homosexualry. For once, OP did not suck wieners.
OP, calm down your breasts.
maybe this is why I'm not a virgin like you guys. I use TTRPGs to socialize. I don't care what game it is,if my friends are there.
This argument embodies, literally, every single D&D argument I've ever had on this putrid fricking board, specifically in regards to called shots.
>"D&D is a broken shitty mess that can't be salvaged. There's no options for martials!"
>suggest called shots
>"You can't implement called shots, that ruins the entire balance of the game!"
It's like fricking clockwork, you can practically time the exact responses you will get, all from the same slack-jawed homosexuals.
The floodgates have opened
>/tg/ gets called out for their shitty autistic behavior
>they react appropriately
> No! You can't humiliate me in my own thread. Only agreeing with imaginary wierd strawman is allowed!
Bullshit. A girl would never play in any game I'm in.
You once again answered to everyone. Congrars, I guess...
>phoneposter
Please have a nice day.
No u
>and now my heckin' wholesome sister can play!
great story but the ending needs a little something extra if we want to maximize upvotes
ESL
In my version it's his little sister, and they both end up fricking her to act out what happened to her character after a bad roll. Then fat boy walks back in and starts rules lawyering that scenario and throwing magical realm accusations
at least it didn't turn into ntr
Nice one
>What do you mean I should act like a normal person and just play the game we all agreed on before-hand? I have an e-reputation to uphold as an annoying fat frick!
Describes more boards than just /tg/, unfortunately.
You shitpost imaginary scenarios on more boards then just /tg/?
>that comic
Imagine you have a wargame, and it has a morale rule. That rule is shit, it’s highly random, tedious to check and leads to stupid gameplay
Now you remove it. Suddenly factions that ignored it or did damage morale (and higher point cost/lower other stats) suck dick, while those that were previously vulnerable to it are now unbeatable.
Ripping parts of a game out does not work as a bandaid unless it’s some minir shit
Gee, good thing they weren't playing a war game then, and they were playing a game based on creating characters and living out fantasies. Though I could see how war games are more deliberately balanced towards such things.
If you "live out" anything during ttrpgs you need to be in a fricking institution you absolute no-games moron.
RPGs are literally the product of wargames, a small singular aspect of another genre, also the industry pioneer and leader has been a wargame for longer than you've been alive.
You managed to get literally everything you said wrong in a different way, sort of impressive.
AD&D Player's Handbook, published by TSR - 1978
"This game lets all of your fantasies come true. This is a world where monsters, dragons, good and evil high priests, fierce demons, and even the gods themselves may enter your character's life. Enjoy, for this game is what dreams are made of!"
Gee, sounds like you're a fat fricking no-games dipshit, thumb-up-his-ass moron who should probably get outside more, huh?
rekt
>never says "live out"
>instead equates it to dreams, the literal opposite
Hey man, you tried.
"Each of you will become an artful thespian as time goes by -- and you will acquire gold, magic items, and great renown as you become Falstaff the Invincible!"
Oh no, someone call the waaambulance! The book is talking about becoming a fictional character!
Were you gonna even try to respond to that, or is this schizo rambling serving a purpose beyond outlining how much baggage you carry around?
>gets btfo
>tries to derail
Many such cases.
I've noticed that he kind of copies how anons respond to him.
someone will lose at the end of a wargame
you can't really lose a ttrpg
in games where you can lose, there should be an agreed upon ruleset with some attempt at balance. otherwise there's little reason to actually try to win
Also not true, you don't even have a concept of what a wargame is.
You know why GMs in old books are called "Referees"?
Because a typical wargame has a game master or a group of them helping to facilitate the roleplaying and hidden information elements of both teams.
The braunstein experiment that you are so haphazardly fumbling around, was what if we ran the social side of the wargame but without the wargame attached? (the first runs still thought they were factionalizing and plotting and killing eachother to effect the university wargame's pivotal city).
Yo waht did that game become with arneson and company?
Oh yeah another wargame, chainmail, to paradoxically run alongside these now meaningless braunsteins.
What did chainmail become? Oh yeah Dnd, made by the guy you quoted who also was outspoken about how the game was just that, a game, not actual life experience.
The fact that you would claim that it is, is dangerously insane.
Not even riffing on you, but if you consider elf-games lived experience you should be in a care home.
You are describing the smaller of the two as the larger and do not understand either genre in the slightest.
Anon, you are answering to a normie who think he is trolling.
Okay
Now imagine a ttrpg with morale mechanic. It’s tedious, takes away control of your character, and requires special dice that always gets lost
You removed it. So now now some classes that were vulnerable to it are grossly overpowered, those that weren’t and sacrificed other traits for it are weak, snd a class whose entire gimmick was based off it is literally unplayable. Enemy balance is out of whack, skeletons are cut down with no trouble, peasant mobs slay dragons and sirens aren’t able to harm you. And since developing that mechanic took time and resources other parts of the game aren’t as well developed, so the game is underdeveloped mechanically as well
>now imagine a TTRPG with a morale mechanic
Don't need to, AD&D and 2E already have one.
>You removed it. So now now some classes that were vulnerable to it are grossly overpowered, those that weren’t and sacrificed other traits for it are weak, snd a class whose entire gimmick was based off it is literally unplayable.
Nope. People play without the morale mechanics quite often and it makes little difference.
How would you feel if you didn’t have breakfast?
>food analogy
opinion discarded
You are so sweet, unironically analyzing one straw from a srawman.
>this classic /tg/ comic
I have been here since day 1 and never once seen this "totally actually happens for real guys" shit comic.
This comic is the most starw man I've ever seen. At least it has good intentions, but that unfortunately means that I'm going to be seeing it everyday in Hell.
The reason changing one rule doesn't work isn't because
>Mu- mu- mu- d-d-different game yeauh!
It's because that rule probably holds up other rules, which hold up other rules, which hold up other rulese, which partly hold up the rule we just removed, but also causes the collapse of another set of rules elsewhere, which results in a game with even more broken rules.
You may as well just play a different game. I can elaborate for you...
>I can elaborate for you...
Please don't. We can already tell you're a no-games c**t who rules-lawyers because it satisfies his need to powergame. Almost every game I've played it has had some form of house rule, cutting out of certain rules, or banning of certain classes/races/spells/features.
You are not first person in thread who seriously responding to this. But you see, OP is le epic troll. Right now he is writing a post that you are no games/schizo etc.
A few examples of "Fixes" to DnD 5e, or DnD as a whole, include:
>Half HP across the board
This isn't a good fix to the drawn out gameplay and 'low' lethality, because it makes almost all combat applications to non-damaging spells near redundant, and makes DEX even better, because AC doesn't help squat against the spells that do deal damage in combat, like fireball, which by the way means caster supremacy is in fact now twice as real as gaylord martial gays claim it is. It results in a game where everyone is a 18 DEX Wizard with 10 INT, because who needs spell slots when one upcast magic missile kills CR15 monsters with ease.
What, are you now going to fix it again by tweaking monsters to all have spell resistance? All you've done now is make PCs twice as easy to kill, and they're still going to all be Wizards.
What, are you going to change every single spell instead to make them less lethal? Do you know how many spells there are?! Half the damage of all spells?! So the game is just as slow as before?!!?
Just play a game built for brief combat instead.
>Change AC to be a dodge roll, have armor reduce damage taken
Slows down combat, which is the problem people complain about the most when suggesting these 'fixes'. Armor giving DR is novel, but the reason it's not standard is because it still slows down combat.
It also means that every combat character is now a DEX Wizard with 10 INT, because what good is Mage Armor now when it can't prevent an attack?
Just play a game built with contested attack and dodge in mind instead.
>Remove X Class
The classes are borderline the same anyway. The real issue with there being too many classes is that development time and resources were spent creating them when that time could have been spent elsewhere, so their removal does nothing in the long run, since doing so doesn't turn back time and make that time be spent on something more worthwhile.
Just play a game with less classes if it's that big a deal.
>Put it all together
Or play a different game, it's the same difference.
The funny part is, I don't even hate DnD, and I don't mind DMs changing rules. What I do mind is OPs shit ass strawman. There's a legit reason to play a different game, especially if it does everything you want it to do, rather than beating a square peg into a cylinder hole.
Hey, you were right, look!
That's pretty funny, because he didn't even hear me out and assumed shit.
But no, he's not trolling. He actually thinks this. Trust me, I just know, ok?
He is really defensive about that dumb ass comic. It was funny, then it got sad, but now it's funny again.
> But no, he's not trolling. He actually thinks this. Trust me, I just know, ok?
Ok. Tbh, I don't even know how to call such behavior.
You mean I was correct and guessed exactly how you'd respond based on the fact you don't know how TTRPG's work? Stay mad. I'll stay correct.
kek
don't bother anon, he's salty as frick for being called out
this text specifically tells you to do exactly what the fat evil strawman did
>being moronic on purpose
Literally says rules are not cut and dried and that the game varies from person to person based on custom rules and referee'ing you lying disingenuous homosexual. Cope-post elsewhere, /tg/ is not for you.
>Participants in a campaign have no recourse to the publisher, but they do have the ultimate recourse - since the most effective protest is withdrawal from the offending campaign.
Apparently you didn't read the comic. He left because he was BTFO, not because of a rules-change.
My god, I feel like at this point you will need a separate thread just to keep defending and explaining your comic.
Were you two just arguing about each others posts? You literally just moved the goalposts from your topic of "rules changes not being justifiable" to "le evil heckin fat man in the comic"....?????
Don't fall for it dude, he's trying to-
Ohp, too late.
>The samegay strikes again
DUDE, will you just STOP. We get it, your autism got triggered, you can frick off now.
Indeed, you are mindlessly mirroring replies of anons. It seems it is hard for you to come up with some answers. I still can't figure out why are you doing all this. Well, maybe you are just insane.
Man fictional debate partners really suck at arguing
>appreciate me
sounds feminine
The GM should try running something other than D&D.
I DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT WHAT YOU PEOPLE ARE ARGUING, AND COME HERE WITH THE REAL SHIT TO TALK ABOUT.
Every single tabletop game has at least 2 fatal flaws. Why can we not produce one without these?
D&D, mtg, whatever are all overcomplicated luck based games. They aren't competitive and have very shallow learning curves. Obsessive, stinky, unlikeable, pseudointellectual nerds latch onto the games as the basis for their whole identity and ruin the fun because they take the game too seriously. Everything they want to do is because "It's just a game bro It's about having fun!!!!" and everything you want to do is deeply offensive because it triggers their fragile, smelly, ugly egos
/thread