in All the online tier lists, RBY always gets dropped into the lowest tier.
However, it’s linearity and map design wins out over Gen II and others.
Where Gold & Silver opens up at the fourth gym, Red & Blue keeps the linear progression, retaining not only a consistent level curve, but also consistent HM progression.
On top of that, Gen 1’s dungeon design is overlooked. Everything is much more memorable and the puzzles are cleverly designed, even compared to Emerald, which relies heavily on landmarks and water traversal.
Generation 1 deserves more respect. It’s not a “proof of concept”, it’s a solid entry and the foundation of the series for a reason.
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Gen 1 is the basis.
Gen 2 brought vast improvements.
Gen 3 was so-so. A downgrade compared to Crystal.
Gen 4 brought vast improvements.
Gen 5 was dosgshit, here is your first worse than gen 1 gen. It clearly tried to replicate gen 1 and failed hard.
Gen 5 is great. It’s a return to gen1 in level design and adds the needed story beats the series needed.
150 entirely new moms is commendable and the spectacle of the 3D DS graphics is great.
>It’s a return to gen1 in level design
This is the funniest bait I've seen all week. If anything gen 5 is the polar opposite to gen 1 in level design.
I can’t think of any examples like that in Blue.
There’s a lot of stuff to do in major towns when you reach them, like the Fossil Museum, Casino, Eevee, Mewtwo laboratory, but it’s all still linear.
>I can’t think of any examples like that in Blue.
That is literally how the map in Blue works. Objectively. You can't think of them because you are not bothering to remember. Gyms 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7 can be done in a mixed order completely on accident depending on how you play.
Its a straight line until you get access to Cut. From there, you can take the underground path back to Cerulean, cut the tree to go from there to the Rock Tunnel, exit into Lavender town, then go to route 8 for the OTHER underground path, get to celadon and bust the rocket's asses in the game corner, then take the silph scope and buy a drink (or the tea in FRLG) to open up Saffron, and then head to the Pokemon Tower to whack the rockets again, then use the flute from the tower to get the snorlaxes to frick off, and from there you've unlocked every route except for the water route and the route leading to victory road. After that its mandatory to beat Koga to use surf and get to Blaine, and from there you can fight the rest of the gym leaders save for the last one in any order you want at any time. You do need to make the rockets frick off from Saffron before fighting Sabrina tho. I can't think of a game save for Scarlet and Violet that lets you go more off the rails than that
Gen 1 is a great start to the series, great pacing of the game, great designs, but quite a few pokemon are are lacking attention with stats and movepools.
Gen 2 improved on everything except the pacing of the game which is worse than 1. Nice improvement on game battles but even more pokemon are lacking attention. Post game is boss ruchs with a small new area then later we got a Battle tower which is nice. Overall very close to Gen 1 but just very slightly lower
Gen 3 is better than gen 1 on pacing but turns to drags after mauville. Got rid of some stuff from gen 2 but also added some good stuff, overall an improvement. Good new pokemon designs, attention is kind of middling. Post game is just a tower but we would get Frontier later which was cool. Would say places between Gen 1 and 2
Gen 4 a lot of the areas look the same with only a few unique places, pacing is a bit fast. New pokemon are decent, move split is good but not a lot of attention to make it work with a good chunk of pokemon. Attention on pokemon is a bit poor. Good new area for post game and some battle facilities. The Underground is whatever. Game is below Gen 3
Gen 5 interesting new areas and alright pacing, lots of new pokemon that aren't very unique and have worse designs than the previous gens. Game is too dialogue heavy, BW2 fixes some problems with the pokemon. Overall better than 4 but maybe even with 3.
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>Gen 2 brought vast improvements
From a Corocoro spread view, yes. It’s the Perfect idea of a sequel.
Post game is entire previous game.
Pokegear is amazing.
Day night cycle is amazing.
The problem is when you put these in a 20 hour RPG, they just become hindrances.
>underappreciated
No it isn't. The people who appreciated it have moved on mostly or don't take it as their religion anymore. Very natural.
Cannot say the same for these fricking zoomers because they're in eternal childhood.
It was dethroned by Gen 5.
>It was dethroned by [Gen 1 but more lazily designed in every way]
And Gen 5 got dethroned by Gen 8.
>gen 1 but with Black folk and ugly Chinese clones of kanto pokemon
kys
Gen 1 is a glitchy mess but yall genwunners wienersuck it because nostalgia
Have you played Gen 1? It plays just fine, and Yellow fixed all the glitches.
Gen 2 has Kanto mon evolutions and Kanto region as post game
Gen 3 has gen 1 remakes
Gen 4 has Kanto mon evolutions and Gen 2 remakes which have Kanto as a region
Gen 5 is a love letter to Kanto and BW2 has Kanto trainers and mons in it
Gen 6 has Mega Charizard
Gen 7 has Kanto mon subspecies
Gen 8 has the Yellow remakes
>Gen 1 is a glitchy mess
anyone who says this never actually played gen 1
Stop letting Youtubers determine your opinions.
I can only find one YouTuber who holds my Gen 1vs 2 opinion.
Go on, post that “The Problem with Gen 1” image that Smogon autists pray to.
Don’t mention level design, Pokémon pools or story. Just focus on minute battle system bugs like Flamethrower doing 10% less when Caterpie is poisoned.
The problem is that Gen 1 was great for its time since its solid execution was what made Pokemon what it is today that inevitably is outclassed by most later entries since they can just build upon and improve what it had already started.
Sure it didnt have the best graphics but everything came together so neatly into a neat, extremely replayable, easy to play package that everyone could enjoy which was never before seen by any game back then. The lore not being too in your face and multiple ways to explore the region opened the way to obsessive schizotheorizing. Even the glitches enhanced the game since few companies were incompetent enough to leave them in finished products and therefore gave players something they had never seen before to dig into the game even deeper.
Can you say the combat system from Red has ever been beaten out by a future entry? And not with minute battle system changes, Core changes.
It’s just that genuine Gen 1 people are usually not online making tier lists or debating. That belongs to the kids who grew up on the internet.
Am I the only one who thinks gen 4 and 5 were the peak?
>Am I the only one who's a moronic zoomer with no consistent standards?
no
gen 2,3,4,7, pla, 9 are the peak. 5 is fakemon hideous stagnant muttslop
PLA is the conceptual peak. It’s the stepping stone to the Pokémon everyone has been dreaming of.
I think Gen 5 is the peak, but it only eeks out that position because of the ending scene with N and New York.
Missingno is such a god-tier glitch that I sometimes wonder if it actually was intentional.
The glitches were 100% intentional. They are the only way you can get Mew which proves it GF left them there for the people who know what to do.
I feel far too old and disconnected from this board when I see the phrase "Gen 1 is underappreciated" here taken seriously and disputed against instead of people just calling OP an underage and moving on.
I know
If anything it is the most milked gen to date
yeah I replayed Red for the first time in 10+ years recently and the thing that struck me was how well done and creative the dungeons were.
Probably the best in the series in that regard.
I was actually shocked replaying Silver how lacklustre the dung dons are. Only the ice gym puzzle is interesting.
Then again Blue has that shit like Surge’s trash can bonanza.
I agree, I feel like with Gen 1 in particular people get too hung up on what it isn't rather than what it is.
Like, I often heard about how garbage Scyther is cause "it doesn't learn any bug or flying STAB moves :/"
Then I actually used one on my team and realized that's total nonsense cause it just OHKO's nearly everywhting with guaranteed crit Slashes anyway.
People are too afraid to meet the game on its own terms and go into it expecting a modern, standardized Pokemon experience, but there's a lot cool about Gen 1 if you're willing to learn about it and experiment.
*They were games that we played countless times. They no longer have the capacity for wonder.
* The paradigm changes over time.
* The myth of the Genwunner hurt him a lot. New players became obsessed with hating them.
* Its virtues are ignored (music, maps, immersion, ideas, personality, world building, etc.) and its defects are exaggerated (bugs, bugs, bugs, those bugs require ridiculous sequences, you will never see them in casual games).
*GF only uses Gen 1 as bait for casual players. He never made a remake up to par, he only adapted RBY to the rules of the new generation in question. Zero love and effort. The hatred of zoomers is amplified. I'm a big fan of Gen 1, but if a remake were announced, I couldn't expect anything but laziness and apathy from GF. It is the harsh reality.
* It's highly frowned upon in the fandom to say good things about Gen 1. It means you're an old fashioned old man who refuses advancements. This happens a lot with YouTubers who just say "they were the first games." People just want to look cool and modern.
* They don't have story and fanservice like e-girls or waifus with breasts or big asses, and that is unacceptable with the current paradigm.
All true. Which old games are generally considered good or bad is controlled by memes. A lot of normalgays still like RBY even if they think they're quaint and outdated, but the kind of people who are more deeply tuned into online pokémon discussions have been swayed towards trashing them.
Playing gen I right now, I have yet to run into any of the gorillion glitches this board shits itself over. Only ones that have mattered are psychic being inmune to ghost and certain dual type interactions (Water/Ice resisting fire, Fire/Flying being weak to Ice). Level up movesets kinda suck ass but is forgiven with TMs. Heres my team btw, been kicking ass since I got Dodrio
>Water/Ice resisting fire, Fire/Flying being weak to Ice
That's actually not what's happening. You're still dealing neutral damage, but the game is reading the interaction with only one of the types when it tells you that it's super effective.
Ohh. That explains why it felt almost off. Thanks for telling me that
>However, it’s linearity and map design wins out over Gen II and others.
It's hilarious how you list linearity as a positive, and of gen 1 of all things. Gen 5 is the most linear of the pre-3d games by far, gen 1 basically lets you do gyms 2-7 in any order you like which is something the series immediately lost when gen 3 rolled around and the games started storyshitting themselves (Gen 2's mid section offers you three gyms to do in any order you like).
>retaining not only a consistent level curve, but also consistent HM progression.
Bullshit, as I said you can do koga's gym as gym 2 if you want.
>On top of that, Gen 1’s dungeon design is overlooked
Because it's all samey caves with no personality.
>puzzles are cleverly designed
Go frick yourself, none of the puzzles in gen 1 are fun to do or well designed. I'll give you that gen 3 is dogshit, but that's because all odd-numbered gens are steaming dogshit.
>Generation 1 deserves more respect.
Respect is earned, and a buggy, unfinished mess of a game that runs like shit and looks like shit and sounds like shit deserves no respect, only acknowledgement that it came first and was shilled hard enough not to die. If Red and Blue were released today they would be critically panned by everyone and their mother for being the buggy, unfinished shit that they are.
>foundation of the series for a reason.
Yeah well maybe that's why the games are dogshit, because the foundation is made of sand.