The combat, mechanically is the worst I've ever played, in pretty much any game, and I want to address some points.
>Enemies can get lucky crits, or even regular attacks that one shot, or practically on shot your party members.
Most fights start after cutscenes so you don't have the opportunity to get perfect positions for your party members. How is it good game design if I have to savescum until I get lucky?
>Hits and misses
I can literally sweep the floor with the enemies in an encounter if my hits actually land, or I can fail miserably if everything misses, despite playing the exact same encounter identically.
How is it good game design? This also promotes save scumming.
>Different scaling for different areas the same act
If I want to go do activity X, because its more interesting to me than Y, E, and D but I am expected to level a bit before X, isnt that a huge frick you, to me? I want to do the content I want in the order I want... what's interesting to me. Expect you to be scaled for some quests but not others is bs.
There's so many other points I could go over, but I wont. I just don't get how this game is well designed.
It's D&D. It was doomed from the start.
not just that
it's LOW LEVEL D&D which is basically rng frickery incarnate
what does "low level D&D mean? I thought most DnD campaigns end by levels 10-15 and almost none last until 18-19
It doesn't really matter when it comes to BG3 because nobody with a functioning brain is playing D&D 5e pen&paper anyway.
>nobody with a functioning brain is playing D&D 5e pen&paper anyway.
What do they play instead?
pathfinder 1e
Why 1e?
1e is an improved version of d&d 5e. They shit the bed with 2e when they tried to do their own thing.
sorry, I meant d&d 3.5e
so you would not recommend playing a 2e campaign?
probably 3.5 or pathfinder? they supposedly have much more in depth systems (or pathfinder 1e did) but are open to minmaxing and breaking them or parties having members with wildly different power levels
dnd 5e was made to be relatively simple and easy to approach, making shit builds is more difficult but making completely broken ones is difficult too
haven't played dnd so I wouldn't know personally, but that is my impression
5e is better than both of those, honestly. I've played both and 5e is the one I like the most, despite the flaws of the system.
People look back on Pathfinder/3.5 with rose tinted goggles conveniently ignoring all of it's bullshit like the full attack action eating your movement, or the fact that Clerics buff themselves to be better fighters than fighters while also still getting to be Clerics with 9th level spells.
>or the fact that Clerics buff themselves to be better fighters than fighters while also still getting to be Clerics with 9th level spells.
I mean, you can be a much better fighter as a wizard in 5e too, same also goes to clerics and paladins
Granted, I don't feel like martials are as shafted as base 3.5e but multiclassing to fighter for either 2 or 5 levels is enough to get the best out of them without actually having to play as a fighter in 5e, there's even less of a reason to stick with most classes for a complete campaign
The wizard is still the best class, but the gap is MUCH smaller now, and Fighters are actually good at dealing damage. They weren't really good at dealing damage in 3.5.
There's also a lot of enemies with magic resistance/legendary resistance that make the debilitating spells harder to land. Once the fighter gets a magic weapon, he'll shred hp pools all day long.
This is especially true of Fighter who gets HUGE power boosts at level 11 and 20 with the extra extra attacks, and has more room for feats with his extra ASIs. Is the Paladin still better than that? Probably, but the only classes that got really shafted are Monks, High level Barbarians, and Rogues. Rangers got a lot better after Tasha's so I don't include them.
3.5/13 classes being "bad" is honestly a good ratio, and a much better one than 3.5 or PF where some classes just...didn't work at all. The difference can be so minimal too that people even think monks are "good" at times, which is totally factually wrong, but if you squint your eyes really hard the power gap is only a few inches.
>I mean, you can be a much better fighter as a wizard in 5e too
You really can't
I mean sure you can be much harder to kill, but you can't do more single target damage.
The real issue with 5e is there's virtually no character customization and there is truly only one way to play each class, beyond picking your race and skills, there's pretty much an optimal stat spread for every class and the only reason to deviate from it is if you're doing some cheesy multiclass or want to pick up one of the half dozen actually interesting feats in all the splatbooks theyve made and need to adjust your stats to compensate/qualify. it works well for a combat sim but its easily the worst dnd has been for actual roleplaying yet i think, which is saying something since it was pretty bad in 3.5 with almost anything but the most vanilla character concepts taking until they unlock a PRC to even function.
I can live without character customization if 99% of the characters aren't useless garbage, honestly.
I like the packet of features that a class is, and I like a lot of the subclasses that 5e has.
I think there's a happy medium to be had between 5e's very basic character building and Pathfinder's dozens of classes with scores of subclasses, each with highly variable degrees of effectiveness and redundancy.
I don't get this at all. Roleplaying has nothing to do with character customization. You can play two characters who are the same race and class, but have completely different personalities and backstories. You're not suddenly a totally unique and more interesting character because you pick different features.
I think 5e is the best D&D has ever been for roleplaying because classes and subclasses are mostly really clear on what type of character they're meant for. If you're someone who wants to make a dude who was brought back from the grave and now you're like a Japanese Batman, then you can play like a Reborn (Hobgoblin) Shadow Monk. If you specifically want the ability to vomit maggots and teleport whenever you want and throw grenades and so on and so on - just play GURPS already. Why are you playing a game with classes? The whole point of class-based games is the player knows what he's getting: he already knows his character will be something cool and familiar. If you, for whatever reason, have this super specific, highly detailed character you absolutely have to play, just play a different game. You play D&D to play Rogues and Wizards, dude.
Nah 5e did away with prestige classes and a lot of really fun roleplaying abilities.
I think 5E has some good and interesting features
Why did DnD get so popular if it sucks ass anyway?
High level D&D is just push button to receev bacon though, so either you like low level D&D with all its rng, which you should if you care about roleplay more than WINNAN, or you're a powerwanking homosexual.
>Most fights start after cutscenes so you don't have the opportunity to get perfect positions for your party members. How is it good game design if I have to savescum until I get lucky?
You simply suck
>How is it good game design? This also promotes save scumming.
It is if you know what you're doing
Playing it on tactician and didn't have to savescum a single fight.
You just suck man
I've gone in with 3 party members, literally no guides and killed all of the goblin leaders with halsin, with starter gear, and got to act 2.
I'm sorry but you are simply wrong.
Also the game becomes trivial once you understand how to min max, ei best builds, items, cheese strats, its not a testament to skill at all.
homosexual it's either
>this game too hard I have to savescum
or
>this game literally ez
Pick a fricking line
>Firewine
easy win to any encounter
>GloomStalker Sneak Rogue
S tier build can solo the enitre game on tactician with just sneaking and auto attacking and repositioning, literally easier than a stealth archer in skyrim.
>both guides can be watched in less than 60 seconds
VS
>going into the game blind
moron.
i went into the game blind with no D&D experience and still had zero problems
stop being a shitter
into the game blind
>pick martial
>pick GWF/Sharpshooter
>sleep your way to victory
wow so fricking hard. I never even fricking played 5e and I could see how fricking busted those two feats were along with savage attacker
>you mean I'll never low roll damage? LETS FRICKING GO
And once you realize there's chests that give you +2 main stat and all advantage on rolls of that stat you'll never wear any other chest and will be at, at minimum, 19 of that stat. 20 if you did the hag route.
I literally just had 3 martials with a haste bot sorc
exactly what I'm doing in my blind playthrough as a thief rogue.
the games a meme.
I immediately multiclassed into fighter when I realized bonus actions could be used for offhand attacks and thief got 2 of them and I saw the writing on the wall with Cull the weak that insta killed people that had less hp than your tadpole powers.
Cull the weak, and using Psionic Overload means everyone has 25+1d4 LESS health than they actually have. My rogue was killing 6-10 people PER TURN while hasted. Act 3 was a fricking meme - I was doing 150 damage per turn
kek, I just got my tadpole powers from killing those goblin leader gays, I should do this but with a sneaky archer build.
There's NO fricking penalty to partially turning into a mindflayer as long as you never fully commit (via dialogue) to turning into one. Save that build for your dark urge run (if you're doing one) because you get a unique cape that turns you invisible after each kill early on so you always have advantage on every attack
I'm doing dark urge.
based, full send it anon
sec
just got the cloak from goblin
You KNOW 90% of the tactician EZ homosexuals save scum. The other 10% are on the spectrum and are built for pathfinder.
or maybe you are just a shitter
If you didn’t watch YouTube videos on how to minmax and didn’t save scum than you have the right to call me that, I’ll agree. But let’s be real, you save scummed you delusional homosexual.
dnd 5e is literally made to be casual, lmao
just read the fricking text on the screen you moron, holy shit
You definitely sound like a friendless autist, sorry the rest of us aren’t at your level… Life must be so miserable.
Also you still haven’t said you didn’t save scum.
I'm playing co-op and we don't savescum
Have fun, it’s a great game.
its so easy I'm kind of losing interest, some bugs about characters that are dead not being dead is also coming up in act 2 and supposedly act 3 is a bit worse, the general aestethics of act 2 are a bit boring too
very fun act 1 though
The gobbos are like level 3 they are tutorial tier enemies bro.
>You simply suck
This. Just use your superior gamer skills to ensure that enemies never roll a 20 and you never roll an 1. It's that easy!
They can roll 20 and you can roll 1, it ain't gonna happen all the time and you should be able to handle enemy even if fight doesn't go perfectly
>Just use your superior gamer skills to ensure that enemies never roll a 20 and you never roll an 1
Probability needs to be accounted for when determining your win condition. You need to accept that 1 in 20 enemy attacks will be a nat 20. Throughout the whole game you will be attacked by an enemy thousands of times, so the probability that ~5% of those attacks will be nat 20s is basically 100%.
Or get armor or equipment that prevents you from being crit, since that exists. Unironically git gud.
>JRPG babby plays a REAL RPG for the first time in his life and gets buck broken
old cRPGs have better combat systems than this (bad) jrpg garbage
Lol like what? RTWP slop is objectively worse and more braindead than turn based
Kek, JRPGays brag about playing Draconian DQ11 or Hard Nocturne or some other Japslops on the highest difficulty level, but get absolutely filtered by CRPGs because they can no longer spam one attack from the menu.
Nothing wrong with it
Nothing wrong with it
Frick level scaling
>The combat, mechanically is the worst I've ever played, in pretty much any game
You either don't play games or are a dramatic homosexual and there is no reason to read further into your blog post
Ok what am I doing wrong?
>If I want to go do activity X, because its more interesting to me than Y, E, and D but I am expected to level a bit before X, isnt that a huge frick you, to me? I want to do the content I want in the order I want... what's interesting to me. Expect you to be scaled for some quests but not others is bs.
I don't disagree with your other points but you're a massive moronic homosexual for this. Frick you. Level scaling is dogshit and ruins any sense of progression. Your previous points are nullified for having this homosexualy of a take. Go play bethesdaslop you shiteater.
skinner box homosexual.
>the basic idea of non-scaling leveling is skinnerbox
i do hope this is bait, sir, otherwise you appear to have the intelligence of a click beetle.
>bosses/mini-bossess need significantly more health so that they cannot be killed off in one or two turns
>enemies need to start fights with their buffs/spells already applied/cast
>bosses/mini-bosses should be completely immune to all hold/banishment spells
>minor enemies should be made more difficult primarily by giving them more abilities that let them stun/curse/debuff players rather than simply making them deal a lot more damage. Meaning that players will need to have a greater level of game knowledge and also utilize a more diverse list of spells, items, and tactics to counter these effects
>archers should be more numerous and spread out making players more efficiently utilize ways to thwart their distance attacks
>enemies in general should also be more numerous
>enemies need to deal more damage to summons of any kind
>enemies should be much more difficult to push and normal/large sized enemies should not be pushed as far. If a chance to successfully push is below 50% it should be an automatic fail
>enemies should more intelligently prioritize downed players so that they cannot be as easily brought back with simple healing spells
>only the more powerful healing potions should revive a partially downed player when thrown
>enemies should more intelligently avoid opportunity attacks
>enemies should more intelligently avoid powerful area denial spells such as wall of flame.
>more enemies should be given a limited amount of simple long range weapons such as a javelin or a stone
>high level enemies should be able to have two concentration spells operating at the same time
>certain enemies, such as the ancient mud mephit, should have their number of summons increased to two per turn
It's easy to understand for newcomers. I wouldn't expect a bunch of gatekeeping elitists who refuse to partake in common society to understand why that's a good thing. Don't worry though, I'll convince you to join the rest of us yet.
You can move around party members during dialogue conversations for better positioning
Okay, I sympathize with the basic idea of the criticism on two points: 5e (and the Lariant variant thereof) is simply a bad system, designed (unsuccessfully) to "not get in the way" of collaborative storytelling in PnP - an aspect that is completely absent in CRPGs - while at the same time it doesn't take advantage of bookkeeping potential of computers. Three of the ways in which this is shown that are relevant to your complaint include:
>d20 has bad properties for a probability distribution, such that even outlier events "that should never happen" in fact happen routinely
>The all-or-nothing nature of AC: it really is thoroughly inexcusable mechanic in a setting where being able to resolve hits by rolling once and looking up a value from a table isn't necessarily a virtue: a more nuanced system that features both avoidance and mitigation (and perhaps other combat factors to boot) is simply superior on all counts, including being vastly more intuitive
>It has limited potential to stack numbers in your favor. Compare that to Pathfinder where in the hardest (Unfair) difficulty of the tutorial dungeon, Water Elemental has 22 attack bonus, such that a guy in plate armor (which aren't even available at that stage) but no further modifiers would have 95% chance of being hit - every time save for critical misses - but as a matter of fact there are multiple ways to build "Unfair-viable" tanks that can beat Water Elemental's attacks by 20 (reach AC 40+ at level 3) . Which is related to another problem of pyjama tanking being superior, but the point is, you the mechanics have huge potential for stacking the deck in your favor.
That being said, you just suck. Experienced players can do Tactician without saving and reloading.
I dont think you understand.
I looked up an S tier build and it absolutely TRIVILIZED the game to the point were it was runescape clicking on trees tier.
Experienced players understand all the broken avenues in the game Fire barrels, stealth abuse, infinite damage, infinite shield ect.
I just watched a video on a tactician, lone wolf mage who had 5 miniboss mobs hitting him at the same time, while afk and he could infinitely chain shields.
That isn't skill or good game design, its the equivalent of being level 80 in WoW and killing a level 10.
exactly, its no different than skyrim or oblivion, yet no one pretends bethesda games are some fine art rpg.
Its mostly crusty old boomers with low iq, poor physical dexterity desperately clinging on to their nostalgia.
>no you don't understand I NEED to google "BG3 meta build best spells best class" in order to play the game
>NOOOOOOOOOO THE GAME IS TOO EASY
stop ruining the game for yourself
>I looked up an S tier build
Pathetic.
D&D is not designed to be made into a videogame because it removes the most important role: the DM. The only way you can possibly make-up for no DM is to make the most railroady experience possible where you can anticipate almost everything a player can do. It doesn't help that Larian implemented some dogshit homebrew/optional rules like critical successes
>no, you see, because you rolled a 1/20 it means you just fail/lose even if your stats would otherwise let you succeed/fail
>d20 has bad properties for a probability distribution, such that even outlier events "that should never happen" in fact happen routinely.
This is mitigated by a competent DM. Most people forget that a natural 20 doesnt mean "you succeed". It means you obtain the best outcome possible given the situation. So if your level 1 wizard punches a hill giant, rolling a nat 20 doesn't mean you damage it, it means you don't snap your wrist trying, and you might distract it from the downed tank for a turn(Hopefully your plan has a step 2).
Hell, a competent DM won't let you roll at all if the roll really is impossible. No, the bard can't just roll to persuade the big bad to give up completing his 500 year long plan for vengeance, he's much too driven and goal oriented to care, even if the bard is using magic.
Unfortunately translating this to a digital format is hard.
I was thinking more along the lines of probability distributions specifically. Opposed rolls for instance have the property of producing distributions more like the bell curve: outlier events aren't 1/20, but actually rare. And I think that's a good thing to have regardless of DM intervention and interpretation (as an added bonus the "defender" isn't a passive participant but the roll they make has narrative meaning in how they handle e.g. defending themselves from attack, rather than it being just about attacker trying to defeat a static AC value almost as though the defender isn't doing anything). But right, a human DM can fudge things and tone out the most egregious examples, while in CRPGs you have stupid shit like wizard rolling natural 20 and punching a hole in a giant's guts and pulling out the intestines, when as you say the appropriate interpretation would be them not breaking their twig arm. Implementing these sort of mechanics wholesale is stupid even in the best of times.
Yeah I agree, opposed rolls are generally a better way of handling things for all the reasons you mentioned. Just pointing out how the flaws are magnified when translated to a computer. The annoying thing is that 5e has opposed rolls and saving throws, but doesn't use them in normal combat. If anything it disincentives making any sort of ability check in combat, because maintaining DPS by attacking usually outweighs any benefit gained from abilities and other actions.
>It's a bad game but a good DM can--
SHUT THE FRICK UP THIS ISN'T AN EXCUSE
JUST MAKE A GOOD GAME
>>The all-or-nothing nature of AC: it really is thoroughly inexcusable mechanic in a setting where being able to resolve hits by rolling once and looking up a value from a table isn't necessarily a virtue: a more nuanced system that features both avoidance and mitigation (and perhaps other combat factors to boot) is simply superior on all counts, including being vastly more intuitive
Pillars did this. But it was a bad system because muh muscle wizards or something.
And that only happened because Joshua insisted on maintaining what is basically the six DnD stats.
Kek.
Stat blocks were never good, just let me choose to hit already instead of needing dex or str for it.
Turn off karmic dice
Don't want to start a shitflinging contesting against WOTR since I don't like BG3 either but holy frick WOTR is so hard to replay.
>start with armor that reduces your movement speed
>can't move and highlight shit at the same time
>half the time you want to change the camera view it just moves the screen
>you miss half your shit in early game combat
>CRINGE AS FRICK VOICE"ACTING"
>can't move and highlight shit at the same time
you can, i literally enter every room while holding the highlight button. if you struggle with the default button for the highlighter, then you can remap it to another key in the settings
>half the time you want to change the camera view it just moves the screen
never had this issue
>you miss half your shit in early game combat
skill issue assuming you're playing on core difficulty. use charge and stack buffs, anon. keep in mind you also get an attack bonus for flanking. also keep in mind that skills like glitter dust and grease lower an enemy's ac
I’m not loving pathfinder. I feel it’s 5 min of buffs followed by a mad rush trying to kill as much as possible. Over and over and over again.
That and casting grease on everything. Game desperately needs a key that casts all your usual buffs for you.
>you can, i literally enter every room while holding the highlight button. if you struggle with the default button for the highlighter, then you can remap it to another key in the settings
You can't do both at the same time unlike how you can in BG3. You can move THEN press it but if you want to then move on you need to let go.
>never had this issue
I don't think I had the issue the first time I played wotr but I have it all the time and it's infuriating
>skill issue assuming you're playing on core difficulty. use charge and stack buffs, anon. keep in mind you also get an attack bonus for flanking. also keep in mind that skills like glitter dust and grease lower an enemy's ac
I'm literally level two. I'm using Bless and some prayer scrolls I got and the few spells the companions have, what more do you want from me? I'm sitting there like a moron missing most of my attacks when all I need to hit is a fricking 9
>I feel it’s 5 min of buffs followed by a mad rush trying to kill as much as possible.
There's a reason buff bot mod is one of the most popular mods for this game.
Sounds like a skill issue. Git gud, OP
Is this really the state of Ganker?
People can bear the weight of their favorite game being critiqued in a constructive way so they resort to skill issue memes, instead of discussing the actually meat and potatoes of OPs post.
I dont even understand arguing on this board anymore.
youre so moronic
It is not constructive. It is 5e combat. They are not going to change it. It is what it is, there is not much to improve.
Eat shit and die Larian troony.
Your shitty game doesn't belong here.
The only thing that doesn't belong here is your gay shitskin ass. 80% of Ganker would outlaw homosexuality on penalty of death if they got into power, turdquaad.
gitgud.
Dice roll combat is designed around the fact that luck is important. You are the same kind of moron who complains about hit chance in XCOM. Being good at dice roll combat means 2 things: being good at optimizing your percentages, and being good at giving yourself backup plans in case luck does not favor you. The entire purpose of D&D combat since its inception 50 years ago is that you are supposed to improvise (ROLEPLAY) when you get bad rolls.
How do I improvise when I'm out of spell slots, low on hp, and going in blind for a first playthrough, and get ambushed?
>and get ambushed?
Learn to rest more often so this doesn't happen? There's like two or three moments in the entire game where you're not allowed to rest and it's an endurance match and 1 of them is completely optional
how does this even happen just rest homie. if you entered a no rest zone and didnt save your short rests thats your fault.
if you're out of spells, low on hp, dont know whats coming next, and push forward anyway, you are bad at the game.
if you're running into these types of problems you're playing the game like an idiot.
Low level combat has the problem with lucky crits making or breaking entire fights, also the player isn't yet familiar with ways to increase hit change
>advantage
>acid
>high ground
>bless
And of course high level combat has the problem of needing to balance around the OP builds and items
hows a first playthrough Andy going to know all the OP builds, and avenues if hes playing for fun?
Playing for fun is not mutually exclusive with not being a fricking idiot. One of the first fights you ever do has barrels that kills most of them if you set it on fire and the characters exposition "lmao look at this weird shit on the ground" in the crashed nautiloid. No one can save genuine morons from themselves
All those things are demonstrated by enemies very early on, so you can use them for yourself.
He should play story mode like the casual he is.
I feel like everyone who complains about how the combat is too hard or RNG dependent are just morons who went straight to tactician while knowing nothing about 5e and its combat.
I went straight into tactician without knowing anything about 5e, struggled at the start. But after playing for a bit and understanding how the game actually works and how mechanics interact with one another and the game becomes easy as frick.
And that's without even doing any cheesey shit. Once you realize stuff like, grouping up your party pre fight and throwing a speed potion at the ground for group haste it gets even easier.
Or any number of billions of ways to cheese the frick out of the game.
and yet there are dozens of people posting every day on this board about how the game is bs and too hard
a lot of brainlets post here, there was a thread a few days ago and some moron tried to argue that examining the enemies and then using spells or resources that exploit their weaknesses is somehow powergaming or metagaming or whatever moronic because you can't examine enemies in tabletop DnD
he also didn't use potions, the enviroment, grenades, probably just walked up and spammed simple attack
the game is not hard if you actually utilize the resources, read what the skills do, pay a little attention (blowing up enviromental stuff and dipping weapons is demonstrated by enemies at times for instance)
>you can't examine enemies in tabletop DnD
How does that actually work? Can you ask? Is there a manual you can look at during play?
you can roll perception or history checks I guess and get some hints, maybe experiment (attack with an ice spell and do no damage, okay I guess its resistant to ice)
in 4th edition d&d there was an entire system for doing dc checks to find out about enemy weaknesses and what have you
5e doesn't have this and unfortunately because 5e is so mainstream you end up with a REALLY LARGE amount of morons running games.
These mentally ill schizophrenics believe it is the DMs job to essentially obfuscate all information and cheat as much as possible to keep the game "interesting" so trying to identify what a monster is may get you a name at most but you won't get stats, the health of enemies will be hidden from you despite spells requiring you to know their hp (somehow the morons running these games never realized that the reason for that is the player is indeed supposed to know the hp of the enemies)
and it is considered "metagaming" to look up a monster stat block in the book you bought and paid for...because...it just is.
DMs do this because they get super offended if the players are too good at the game by hiding everything they can just lie and decide arbitrarily when monsters should die for story reasons instead of your tactics having any impact.
If you are a DM and you see bg3 naturally you will be angry because the game rips to pieces the very gameplay style of a large number of dms and punches a hole into internet popular methods of running games.
The fact that you can get lots of magic items in bg3 alone is a sore point for many many people because lots of dms are super stingy with magic items so now we have a videogame out that makes them look moronic for holding out on the player
that just sounds like artificial difficulty, if the players are too good, make the encounters more difficult then with more enemies or something special so the players get appropriately challenged
that requires a level of effort most dms are not willing to put in, that is why tabletop is best played amongst close friends since finding online groups will often lead to you being stuck with morons
Good DMs will let INT skills (Nature, History, maybe even Arcana or Religion depending on the monster) give you facts about the monsters you're fighting. Really good ones might even let you do a Medicine check to determine roughly how many HP an opponent has remaining. But these are all systems that should already exist, DMs shouldn't have to make them up.
>And that's without even doing any cheesey shit.
>Or any number of billions of ways to cheese the frick out of the game.
I don't understand it. Then you have people turning it into some sort of AAA developer debate about what the standard is. Which is stupid because the people critical of this game are not defending AAA titles from the likes of blizzard. They simply don't like the game for whatever reason, but people are silenced and told that it's a bad opinion and banned. We can't even get LGBT tag on the game to warn people that it's about sex and dating companions.
I just don't get why people are so triabilistic with their favorite games, I'm open to criticism regarding anything and everything I play.
>I do halsins portal mission
>I win and he saves the kid
>he proceeds to walk into the shadowlands and die
Wtf this is setting new standards for video games
imagine getting filtered by the easiest d&d system to fricking date. Game does everything for you.
I hope everyone who plays this game has a horrible life and dies a horrible death and I hope the developers get sodomized in hell for eternity in pain.
Why
Because I'm sick of how sick and disgusting the world is becoming because of the israelites and the gay agenda and woke in every form of our media. Then the amount of people buying it shows how gay the new generation is. Our people are going to go extinct.
You're overreacting, the game is pretty good, gay shit aside, you have to enjoy little things instead of going furious all the time, it's gonna kill you man
if you liked bg3 you probably will enjoy dos2/dos1
The reason why we have degeneracy in society. The reason why we have troony story hour. The reason why we are putting toddlers on hormone blockers. It's all because people never take a stand. They thing... well it's okay its just a fricking video game. Everything leads to something else. Mark my words we will have pedophilia and bestialities and even more sodomy in future big titles because of this game. You will all reap what you sow.
I agree but
I also enjoy the game, aside from the gay sex stuff you dont have to partake in degenerate shit, and its just a dnd game about goblins and shit
Buying or not buying a game doesn't matter in grand scheme of things.
Killing rich c**ts in power does. For now let's just enjoy a nice take on crpg
this, I honestly didn't have a single sex scene in first play through
No you keep buying and that's why we will never win. You give every inch. Cowardly Judas.
Black person if we ever win it won't be up to buying dumb games, it's going to be down to actual deeds
It starts with the culture war, never bend your principles anywhere or else you're just another israelite.
You don't win it by being a whinny gay who denies reality, in so many of those threads people are seething into point of being pathetic
muh 4chinz is degenerate furry website
kys c**t
Go back to your containment board. You obviously can't cope outside your little safe space.
Consider leaving for site like reddit
There won't be us if you're all alone boy
Gonna cry? Gonna piss your pants maybe? Maybe shit an cum?
I want all of those in videogames. None of that is bad unless copied IRL. Frick off with your 90s american puritan bullshit, if you're fine with murder you should be fine with equally bad shit in fictional stories about role playing as you want.
Get the frick out of America then. I would isolate myself from the rest of the world if I could. America was for white Christians and nobody else.
Im not an amerimutt, thank God.
And stay the frick out. Keep your homosexual games out of my country as well. Keep your shitty people in your own shitty country.
>white only
>kidnap blacks
>beg for asians
>pay for browns
>for centuries non stop
About as exclusive as a $5 prostitute on a Costco sale.
blacks
sold by their fellow blacks into slavery
I can sell you a pile of shit I just crapped out. You're still a moron for paying.
Get a better handle on that white guilt, its making your responses stupid.
>we will have pedophilia and bestialities and even more sodomy in future
so?
the reason these things are getting more popular is people realized there's no logical argument against them
just christcucks screaming
>it's bad...BECAUSE I SAID SO
when there is no rational or logical reason to oppose something it becomes accepted that's how society works
that's how societies evolve
every time you shriek about degeneracy you just prove you're a low iq moron clinging to a desert cult
christians, israelites, muslims, you're all the same
>FRICKING ANIMALS IS JUST… GOOD OKAY CHUD
>ITS 2033 SOCIETIES EVOLVE
>proving my point
Feel free to continue LARPing as a boomer until you kys
You live with your parents and you're a weak homosexual. What you think you gonna do when the war comes?
>war
Kek i dont live in a third world shithole. I'll either get nuked or be fine. Either way it's something to deal with when the time comes, why are you such a little b***h who's afraid of hypotheticals.
When the civil war you will be scalped like you deserve, trust me.
What fricking civil war are you even on about you deranged homosexual
This is a game made by europeans btw. If you don't like it don't play it, take your seethe elsewhere.
I won't stop until every israelite and progressive is expelled. I'm not alone either.
Just don't be a sore ass loser, not good optics
When the real shit starts, you won't give a shit about optics, you will be running for your god damn life hiding in your house hoping that the real God fearing men don't pull you out by your troony wig and hang you from a tree.
You won't win if you don't win people's hearts, threatening them and being a c**t ain't the way to go amigo
Don't need to win their hearts when they are dead. More land for us anyway.
Haha, even after QAnon, even after Trump, even after 5 billion vaccines STILL 2 more weeks. Hilarious.
One thing more pathetic than quanons in denial are homosexuals who think they're superior to them while still being here
Video games?
>le all sides are equally bad
You fence sitting homosexuals are the worst of all.
Nah, chudposting homosexuals are wayyyyy worse
Like a moronic kid mocking an autist
I mean most of it is vatniks talking to themselves. Prior to 2015 you never saw any of this shit. Frickers ruined the internet with identity obsession.
>internet
Nah a lot more got ruined with identity bs, 2000s
Q, Trump, all of these were controlled opposition for the left. Trump was the BIGGEST zionist shill. Loves Israel. Loves israelites. Never did a single thing he promised. I never even voted for him or any president. I knew he was fake the moment ran. I hate both parties. Few of the right wing support any of those. We just hate you and we hate israelites.
Cry harder, homosexual. What are you going to do about it?
QAnon was an activity program to give retirees something to do besides shuffling around the mall like zombies
Kek
I don’t understand why this is so difficult for some folks. Gamblings half the fun.
>can't even stop the election from getting stolen
>but surely we can do day of the rope
>just wait until they come to rural areas
>Just wait until they come to Antarctica
>just wait until they come too the moon
>unironic 2016 election tourists dilating about muh degeneracy of Ganker of all places
Jesus Christ GTFO you literal Black person homosexual.
>raider pretending like it belongs here
Go back. This will never be your site.
You're not fooling anybody. You need to go back.
Shill Black person
what you believe shapes your reality. check out the loa threads on /x/. they'll tell you how moronic and self-destructive you are for trying to manifest harm on others.
Well put. I’m an oldgay, a decade of the redpill has turned 2 of my friends and 4 acquaintances into pic related. They start off feeling special, end up suicidal.
is divinity original sin or whatever the frick worth it?
is bg1 or bg2 worth it?
How do I check what weapons I'm proficient in?
Character sheet.
This games Goblins look bad. I prefer Pathfinder Goblins.
This game was made by incompetent freakshitters who don't understand what makes D&D good. Its a system meant for tabletop. The developers of this game are cumbrains who were too weird to get a group to actually play D&D so they went and made this abortion.
>Enemies can get lucky crits
stopped reading here, luck issue, cope and seethe go play chess that’s a solved game
Why did they bother putting item clutter like spoons and shit everywhere when you can't even sell it for anything? How is the itemization such trash after such a long early access? The game really is a mess coasting by on its politically progressives ideologies explored through its characters and areas. The third act is insufferable with the refugees, and I doubt most people will even get to the third act because of how much of a slog the game can be.
>Act 1
Very well polished it is obvious what Larian spent the past 3 years working on.
>Act 2
Start to see the cracks in the seam, more noticeable bugs, but that doesn't matter most people who bought this game due to viral marketing and because their eceleb told them to won't make it this far.
>Act 3
It feels like I'm playing an early access game, countless bugs. But matter not because the majority of the playerbase won't make it this far.
The story ending for your Tav is fricking horrible too, I feel robbed.
How fricked are you if you take Raphael on his offer
Different ending, he doesn't cure you tho
you can steal the pact contract you make with him if you find the room its in.
Same with Mols.
Also general tips
Don't pick Dark Urge for your first playthrough
Don't kill strange ox
Always kill illithids
>Don't kill strange ox
Huh, why? I pushed him to explain what the frick he was in act 2 and he attacked me, did I miss a lot
Unique questline for Dark Urge, you lead him into town once you devoted yourself to Bal
Ah then it's not a big deal because it wasn't a Durge run, thank you anon.
>Don't pick Dark Urge for your first playthrough
Frick that. Do it. I was half way through Act 1 before being pissed bored of standard Tav. DUrge competely changes that by giving your PC more agency and character development.
Without it, all the other special snowflake companions are infinitely more interesting than your own OC. It's the closest experience you can get to being a Bhaalspawn.
Anyone else’s voice in there head fill in the blank with Black person?
You can reposition party members during some dialog scenes, also turn off karma dice
>Enemies can get lucky crits
you know you can get crits too right?
> so you don't have the opportunity to get perfect positions
bro your misty step/dash/jump/portal door spells?
>>Hits and misses
?????????
scaling for different areas the same act
thats a good thing tho
Don't bother OP is moronic. He also probably doesn't know when 1 character is talking to an NPC you can still move your other characters around. Which is perfect for when you can tell things are about to get bad. You can even swap to your caster and nuke them or start buffing your dudes before combats even starts.
Ure just bad
>How is it good game design if I have to savescum until I get lucky?
>"MOOOOM THE GAME DOESNT LET ME GET MY MEMBERS IN PERFECT POSITIONS WHAT THE HELL"
>I can literally sweep the floor with the enemies in an encounter if my hits actually land, or I can fail miserably if everything misses, despite playing the exact same encounter identically.
Not a real problem. Thats dnd suck it up or go home
Most of the criticisms boil down to
>"I don''t know what I'm doing what are rolls again?"
cant count how many people on /vg/ and forums that don't know what the 1d4 shit means.
the point of an immersive game like this is to pit you against enemies that are your equal most of the time. You can min/max and scale faster but in general.
This means you will miss sometimes, if you didn't miss often it would also mean they wouldn't miss often either. You see the predicament?
I just got back from the astral plane for the first time, and I camped in the hidden Lathander passage way. Now all my companions are saying
>That was quick thinking, I thought the creche was going to just be a smoking crater!
What are they even talking about? Is there some sort of bomb quest I missed?
grab the mace without using the crest
did you find the BoL?
Yeah
It's rigged? I see.
Skill issue.
Literally and unironically, skill issue.
>Enemies can get lucky crits, or even regular attacks that one shot, or practically on shot your party members
So can you.
>Most fights start after cutscenes so you don't have the opportunity to get perfect positions for your party
If you approach a group of potential enemies, you should be preparing your party members. Your potential enemies do the same thing, so why don't you?
>How is it good game design if I have to savescum until I get lucky?
If your win condition relies purely on lucky hits, you are simply making the wrong decisions. Literal skill issue.
>I can literally sweep the floor with the enemies in an encounter if my hits actually land, or I can fail miserably if everything misses
There should rarely ever be that much variance in a fight. If it's prevalent enough to bother you, you are simply making the wrong decisions. You can enable karmic dice in the menu to remove this variance entirely.
>Different scaling for different areas the same act
This is purely a subjective preference. Half of players prefer scaling, the other half doesn't. Too bad
Any of the RTwP predecessors are even worse!
>Different scaling for different areas the same act
There is no scaling. That area is a set level. This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read, do people want to skip around JRPG areas because "ehh frick that place just level scale everything down so I can skip Gold Saucer and do Cosmo Canyon already".
I need some help.
I did a rogue, gave him a dual wield skill (That gives some AC when you dual wield).
He's not BAD but he's kinda... heh. Especially when the CqC classes get a bonus turn to attack once more. I'm also not really sure how to use the assassinate / sneak attack system.
Should I just reclass / subclass?
I guess you have to abuse sneak attach stuff. idk.
Rogues are probably the weakest pure class. If you want to use a pure rogue, you will need to get sneak attack in every single turn. You need advantage to do a sneak attack, you can do this if an ally is within melee distance of the target or from Hiding. So get out of their vision cone, Hide as a bonus action, then use sneak attack melee or ranged. There are plenty of good rogue melee/ranged weapons in the game but it is kind of mediocre
You could easily do the same playstyle but better as Fighter/Rogue.
just get the evil cloak lulz
>he doesn't use the Risky Ring to always have advantage no matter what
The party Rogue is the last item on most enemies' shit lists, so they'll gladly let you run around fishing for crits while they try to rush whoever's Concentrating.
Rogue subclass Thief gives you 2 bonus actions per turn. This means you can hide, sneak up behind someone (or position yourself as an archer), perform a sneak attack, then hide again. You can basically avoid ever getting hit.
Is their a way to see the vision before hiding?
Unfortunately, not that I know of. You have to visualize every enemy's come in front of them.
press shift lmao
MFW right now…
>someone went through all this trouble to try and insist the guy coming out of the well is not the moron
This. It even lets you see which areas are lit or have some shadow, so you can know if your character can have some probability of success hiding when not outside enemies' vision.
I'm only specifying this since apparently some people are too moronic to even press a button, so they might need someone to explain what else they can use that button for.
press shift
when does it get fun?
The moment you push start and hear the menu theme
divinity games had worse combat, this is an improvement so I don't complain
Theads like these really expose just how fricking bad at video games most of you are that you need to savescum in a crpg based on the edition of dnd literally made to be super casual. Holy frick I cant stop laughing. The only times i ever reloaded is when one of my dudes would randomly get thrown off a cliff by an explosion or something and instantly die, but that didnt happen often and if it did it was my fault for not positioning better.
you can still revive them if that happens, so no need to savescum even there
stop running up to encounters through a bottle neck with your entire party, moron. send a scout ahead first then have someone with high charisma try talking to whatever you're approaching first. you can control what happens before the cutscenes. have your ranged attackers in position before you approach.
Git gud
Git gud
Game has level scaling and there is no specific order to the content. You can do anything however you want in each act once you're in the reasonable level threshold to not get roflstomped
Next question?
>Level Scaling.
Ok, can someone please source me on this? Does this fricking game has level scaling or not, because if it does I'm doing a new playthrough at lvl 12 with cheat engine.
>Enter thread
>Multiple bear broke Shazam trannies
>dnd games has dnd problems
Fricking duh. Hilarious people pretend this game is amything beyond mediocre
I find Shadowheart kinda shit, it is me?
She doesn't hit very hard at all.
>trying to fight with your bless/guidance/healbot who needs to be immediately respec'd to do her job more efficiently and being surprised she does nothing
what subclass did you pick for cleric? did you know you can respec characters.
I haven't picked a subclass for anybody yet.
I just though I should wait until she get good.
I see, I'll remember that
Alright, noted
Play the game anyway that’s fun but respec just feels like cheating to me. Devs designed each character for a reason.
shadowheart having the cringe subclass is entirely a lore reason. in which case frick it. the game offers me enough ludonarrative dissonance as it is, one thing i'll never actively look at is nothing.
I respec them just to fine tune them in their own class, redistribute points or choose a different subclass or multiclass. Their main class remains the same. The respec shit is a garbage bandaid they made because they didn't add enough companions for each class.
respec is about experimentation
how is that cheating? I never understood this mindset
I don't feel like respeccing is cheating. You still have to rest and manually prepare for everything for the new class you swap to. You can also add roleplay into it like Shadowheart eventually becomes a Paladin instead of a Cleric as a sign of growth.
>Paladin instead of a Cleric as a sign of growth.
I can definitely get behind that.
You shouldn’t ever use her to attack. It’s all about the cleric spells which become incredibly strong at the end.
She's a frickin cleric. Buffing the party and being tanky is her shtick. She'll have some more damage later unto the game
she's a buffer not a frontliner
Name 3 buffs
bless, aid, guidance
Just fricking cast spirit guardians then spam non-concentration spells like blind and command.
you simply suck, none of that shit is really a problem if you know how to adapt
I accidentally killed everyone at last light inn
How should I have known that this happens?
by paying attention to anything anyone said about the shadowlands leading up to that point, assuming you picked the option i think you did
if you're more aggressive than you are moronic, next time try not attacking the character who's been a good guy for 3 straight games
Heh, this just happened to me as well.
I assume I should have killed the bastard before he clubbed the cleric, but I missed it by one turn.
That’s what kills me, how close I was to stopping it like you.
git gud
i lost my initiative roll and she got absolutely shit on
i kinda liked that place too, glad i got the AC bonus boots before everything went to shit.
Did I miss a lot by not getting the owlbear cub?
just do that on a new playthrough, we slaughtered the owlbear and the cub with a sneak attack lmao
o-okay.
People complain about the combat, but I'm just glad I can actually apply debuffs without having to burn through a bunch of 'magic armour' or whatever like in DOS2.
The combat is fine, it just plays like an extremely dated 90s game. It needs to be flashier IMO, and DEVS NEED TO STOP HAVING THE CHARACTERS STAND STILL FOR 5 SECONDS BEFORE CARRYING OUT THEIR ACTIONS. SPEED THAT SHIT UP.
it is 5e combat and there's a reason 5e is the most popular edition of d&d
it's intuitive, goes fast and is nice and simple
if you don't like it you're either a moron or a contrarian, sorry the popularity of 5e over autismfests like pathfinder or 3.5 speaks for itself
Both pathfinders are too ridiculously hard. I feel the games designed for autists to read a guide than min max. People like me who free-ball are fricked.
Kingdom management and crusade overboard even on easy are fricking ridiculous.
that is because those games are based on pathfinder 1e which is just copypasted 3.5e dnd
you're correct for identifying that freeballers are fricked, when those systems were made the (tabletop) developers admitted they did "ivory tower design" ie, they put in objectively good options and objectively bad options so "clever players" could minmax and be super strong
obviously this leads to the whole autism problem which is why 5e was made and why pathfinder (tabletop) 2e was created, much simpler systems where it's much easier to just do whatever you want as a casual player and not frick yourself in the ass by accident
This kind of summarizes absolutely every conversation and post on BG3.
what the frick? so bad options were added on purpose and this isn't just the result of bad balancing?
bad for the purpose of being bad, and not even bad due to some gimmicky mechanic not just actually working out that well with anything
that sounds moronic
yes, trap options were added on purpose
yes, it was moronic that is why it was changed in later editions because they realized how stupid that was
No one enjoys this game they cut content and rewrote the story
>I want to do the content I want in the order I want
this is not the game for you then, stop bruteforcing it just because a lot of people like it, you don't HAVE to play it and you don't HAVE to like it you know? go play something else there's billions of games out there that do what you want
if the combat is so unbearably shit and you hate missing then just mod the game to have 100% perfect rolls all the time for both enemies and you, why are you whining here
It's not good game design, but it's how D&D works. They have always gone for trying to replicate the table top experience. Use things that don't have a dice roll if you are worried about missing. There are a lot of options for incapacitating enemies that don't involve you throwing dice. The real problem with these types of games is that you don't have the option of thinking up creative solutions. There is no "Let's talk about this" while you work on trying a surprise attack while they are distracted. There is no. "I want to hit the ceiling of the cavern to cause a collapse and bury them." If you are just relying on the dice to land in your favor in D&D, you'll die 50% of the time, more if you built your character poorly.
>The combat, mechanically is the worst I've ever played
What kind of ADHD zoomer are you?
>Most fights start after cutscenes
Flagrantly false.
>I can literally sweep the floor with the enemies in an encounter if my hits actually land, or I can fail miserably if everything misses
If your variance is that huge then you're playing wrong. skill issue
>isnt that a huge frick you, to me?
No, it's standard RPG game design. git gud
garbage opinions, 0/10
Maybe you should stop being such a fricking lucklet, and you'd enjoy the game more.
>Most fights start after cutscenes so you don't have the opportunity to get perfect positions for your party members
I don't think that's true. It sounds like you just walk into them, and then once the fight starts, you rush in. Why not move your party in a way that covers yourself for a surprise attack? Why not retreat to an advantageous position when attacked? Why not trick the enemy into trusting you or avoid the fight altogether through dialogue?
>How is it good game design if I have to savescum until I get lucky?
It's not savescumming until you get lucky, it's savescumming because you're a baby and won't be happy until the game lets you win. RPGs are supposed to simulate real life and in real life you can't control your enemies and the peculiarities of every moment you step into. You can either play it by ear or be a b***h. You choose the latter. That's fine.
>I can literally sweep the floor with the enemies in an encounter if my hits actually land, or I can fail miserably if everything misses, despite playing the exact same encounter identically
This basically never happens, but if it's somehow actually a problem for you, then use karmic dice or play on easy since you're too dumb to use the environment to your advantage. I'm assuming you don't play many RPGs, because RPGs in the 80s and 90s were way more brutal than this.
>If I want to go do activity X, because its more interesting to me than Y, E, and D but I am expected to level a bit before X, isnt that a huge frick you, to me? I want to do the content I want in the order I want
Are you new to video games?
zoomer issue.
you're supposed to play dirty and fix the odds in your favor, rather than "HURRRRRRRR I CLICK THE BAD GUY AND MY ATTACK DOESN'T LAND??? WTF????????"
>I should be able to play the map in any order
just say you hate roleplaying
go play halo or something
It gave me the good feeling juices in my brain its not that serious homie, if you dont get it you dont get it theres absolutely nothing wrong with that, no argument will change your mind nor will they change mine. Do what you love to do instead of trying to understand why you dont like something its a pointless endeavor
>btw I'm trans, did I mention I'm trans?
ok op