>revived and got a 2nd chance >slap on the wrist titan fight >now nestled snugly inside your pc box after catching them
sounds like they got away with it
>revived and got a 2nd chance >slap on the wrist titan fight >now nestled snugly inside your pc box after catching them
sounds like they got away with it
>revived and got a 2nd chance >slap on the wrist titan fight >now nestled snugly inside your pc box after catching them
sounds like they got away with it
Why does everyone say they killed Ogerpon's human friend? He wasn't in the cave when she came back, if he died there would have been his body (if the Three had stuck around to hide his corpse after killing him, they could have also taken the fourth mask). Unless the implication is he left the cave to wander away somewhere in his dying moments? But why? I feel like either I missed a key detail, or everyone else is jumping to a conclusion when there is more to it than meets the eye.
Why else would Ogerpon fall into such a rage that she clubbed three Pokémon to death? The story said she found her cave completely trashed after a severe struggle. And there was no further mention of the man.
While the game DID not shy away from saying that the professor was killed by the aggressive Raidon, it does specify that it was an accident. The attack of the Loyal Three however was actively malicious, so my guess is that they didn't want to downright say that the man was literally murdered.
I get what you mean, but one line in the story stands out to me. Right before she finds and beats the shit out of the Loyal Three: >The ogre donned that mask and went down to the village, perhaps to search for its friend.
It feels like his fate is intentionally mysterious and ambiguous right now.
Kek, I was thinking more like with the recent datamines about the fourth Pokemon that presumably gave the other three their toxic chains, and the talk of "zombies", maybe it specifically did something to him... But even before that, I've already been thinking maybe the 2nd DLC part would clear things up around him. I'll definitely keep hoping, some full closure would be nice.
>Ogerpon's friend returns as a zombie trainer under Dokutaro's control >when he's defeated, he briefly regains his mind to notice that Ogerpon is there and alright, giving him an opportunity to say goodbye to her for the last time and give her some closure
This would be kino, but we both know Gamefreak wouldn't do any of this.
People are assuming that because she went on a murderous rampage. I think the game is purposely unclear about it. The story is at this point centuries old. Neither party lives or has evidence for their claims. I have a few hypotheses about what happened but ultimately it is all speculative and unfounded. All we know is that something triggered their apparent revival, most likely related to Terapagos’ and Kieran’s emotions/belief.
I think they avoided outright stating that Ogerpon's friend was murdered, but iirc, there was a line that stated that her friend never let go of the Teal Mask, so it implies that he was holding on to it when Ogerpon found it
Why else would Ogerpon fall into such a rage that she clubbed three Pokémon to death? The story said she found her cave completely trashed after a severe struggle. And there was no further mention of the man.
While the game DID not shy away from saying that the professor was killed by the aggressive Raidon, it does specify that it was an accident. The attack of the Loyal Three however was actively malicious, so my guess is that they didn't want to downright say that the man was literally murdered.
I get what you mean, but one line in the story stands out to me. Right before she finds and beats the shit out of the Loyal Three: >The ogre donned that mask and went down to the village, perhaps to search for its friend.
It feels like his fate is intentionally mysterious and ambiguous right now.
People are assuming that because she went on a murderous rampage. I think the game is purposely unclear about it. The story is at this point centuries old. Neither party lives or has evidence for their claims. I have a few hypotheses about what happened but ultimately it is all speculative and unfounded. All we know is that something triggered their apparent revival, most likely related to Terapagos’ and Kieran’s emotions/belief.
I think they avoided outright stating that Ogerpon's friend was murdered, but iirc, there was a line that stated that her friend never let go of the Teal Mask, so it implies that he was holding on to it when Ogerpon found it
>The man happened to be there. He managed to hold on to one of the masks... >But he was not strong enough to protect them all. The Pokemon stole the other three masks. >Several hours later, when the ogre returned to the cave... >It found its home in ruin. All that was left were signs of a struggle and a teal mask. >The ogre donned that mask and went to the village, perhaps to search for its friend.
The actual text in-game says the man was holding the Teal Mask and protecting it so the Loyal Three couldn't steal it like the others. Ogerpon returned "several hours later" to find just the mask. If the Loyal Three had killed the man, why couldn't they have just stolen the Teal Mask as well? He had to still be alive in order to protect it. There's hours between the incident and Ogerpon's return to the cave. My theory is that, with only one mask remaining, the man decided to leave forever so that Ogerpon could have the mask for herself and continue visiting the village and having fun at the festival. If they shared it, half the time Ogerpon would be left alone while the man went to the festival. He decided to sacrifice his own happiness for Ogerpon's, much like a father would for his daughter. The tragedy is that, of course, Ogerpon cared more for her friend than the mask and the man didn't realize that.
There's a lot of death and debilitating injuries in this gen >Heath's team member was gored by a paradox Donphan >the violent Raidon killed the professor >the Loyal Three killed a dude >Mabosstiff was attacked by an unknown paradox and was left so injured it couldn't open it's eyes
It really all started in Gen VII. For some reason, a lot of the Pokedex entries suddenly started talking about Pokemon predation and natural enemies. Some of them were just hilariously dark, like Cubone's entry being something like, "It occasionally thinks of its mother and cries through the night. Hearing these cries, Mandibuzz swoops down on them" and pic related.
It was just some pet name the people gave them because they thought the trio was protecting them from the killer ogre. So they're "loyal" to the town, willing to give up their lives for it.
>Gets away
Dude, they got fricking murdered. Brutally. Bludgeoned to death, having heir organs liquefied and bones shattered. If Ogerpon didn't kill them instantly by crushing their skulls, then they certainly were left to bleed out in agony. Whatever the case, they sure as frick paid the price.
>get murdered >revived fresh as a daisy >can't beat up an older Ogerpon >Munki beaten by a kid >get a titan power boost >all of them get beaten up by a kid >have the masks they stole taken away >get captured by the same kid that beat you up after being beaten up for a second and third time for Munki
Tch. I killed hundreds.
Actually that brings a interesting thought.
Which pokemon has the highest death counter.
And no not the ones that indirectly cause death, as in actually kill people.
And not species totality either, individually
As in actually wanting to kill people.
Yveltal is like saying The Grim Reaper kills people, it IS death.
Kyogre and Groudon are like Forces of Nature they don't really care they kill, they just do.
No I mean ones that actually murder people.
I thought I made that clear.
>Yveltal is like saying The Grim Reaper kills people, it IS death.
No? That's Giratina's role, if anything. Or maybe Darkrai's, if you die in your sleep. Yveltal is literally "the destruction pokemon". The Grim Reaper wouldn't randomly go back into a cocoon every now and then. Yveltal is an ominous and deadly kaiju.
Giratina’s role is to live in the cuck dimension and seethe.
Darkrai just causes and eats nightmares.
If anything Dusknoir is the Grim Reaper Pokémon, but Yveltal probably has the capacity to cause the most death.
Still pissed that Fezandipiti isn't Poison/Flying. Like I get the Fairy type and all but it's LITERALLY FLYING IN THE AIR WITH ITS WINGS. You know how long I've been waiting for another Poison/Flying type that isn't the Zubat line?
In a different but similar boat, I wanted a Poison/Fairy type because it was a unique typing that hadn't been made yet, but Fezandipiti doesn't really fit the image of what I imagine a Poison/Fairy would look like.
Likewise, still waiting to see a Bug/Dragon, and I want it to be a good Bug/Dragon.
crystal pond lets you talk to dead people. its tera crystals (teal mask kieran was holding) doing wish granting, imagination, reality altering, thought manifesting, or whatever you want to call it
no that doesn't work, if you skip over their deaths then that completely changes history. erasing the folk story of ogerpon beating them to death. because they don't exist in the past anymore.
no that doesn't work, if you skip over their deaths then that completely changes history. erasing the folk story of ogerpon beating them to death. because they don't exist in the past anymore.
You know Terapagos isn't a time travel pokemon right? It just has insane amounts of energy.
Occam's razor, they just came back to life because their bodies were re-energized.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I think you're jumping a few too many hoops there assuming any amount of energy can revive dead things.
occam's razor is people die when they are killed.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>what is ho-oh
8 months ago
Anonymous
weirder that terapagos can do something that supposedly only exclusively ho-oh can do then, being a phoenix with the reviving from the dead trope
8 months ago
Anonymous
You say that but Pagos has clear philosopher's stone inspirations and that was a stone that granted immortality and rejuvenation.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>you're jumping a few too many hoops there
Anon, saying that the energy revived them doesn't have any hoops. It just uses the bare essentials of what we know from the game.
Wishing and desires on the other hand uses a ton of assumptions from the start and then creates a revival situation that goes over itself because no one wanted them to come back to life. That's jumping through hoops.
>occam's razor is people die when they are killed.
You don't know what Occam's razor is do you.
8 months ago
Anonymous
occam's razor is the simplest explanation. the ambiguous term of "energy" being able to reanimate dead things doesn't explain anything. scientists reanimate dead fossils with tech probably involving DNA. ho-oh is the classic phoenix reviving from the dead, but terapagos is just generic energy? elaborate.
since the point I'm getting at is this energy has supernatural properties, which causes all the supernatural things in-game to happen
>no one wanted them to come back to life
knowing new things we've learned. crystal pond lets people talk to the dead, just something to mention. but also more importantly right before the loyal 3 got revived kieran was at the shrine with the teal mask. and in a fit of anger punched a pillar and released a faint cloud of purple smoke. this was placed there on purpose. what this means we don't know yet, but it'll probably tie back to Dokutaro we know from the datamine
8 months ago
Anonymous
Anon, you're literally adding hoops to the explanation while acting like yours don't exist.
Also that's not purple smoke, thats just the his clothes.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Also that's not purple smoke, thats just the his clothes.
it's not his clothes. it has a smoke effect. you even see the purple fade away
8 months ago
Anonymous
My dude you're getting SO much wrong here. >crystal pond lets people talk to the dead,
It said MEET not talk. And it's a myth that we never see in game. >but also more importantly right before the loyal 3 got revived kieran was at the shrine with the teal mask. and in a fit of anger punched a pillar and released a faint cloud of purple smoke.
There is no purple smoke, thats just a shadow on his clothes dude. >this was placed there on purpose.
There's nothing there >what this means we don't know yet, but it'll probably tie back to Dokutaro we know from the datamine
Not only is that a massive hole in the idea further complicating it but if Dokutaro did it then it's not related to Terapagos. It's most likely whatever toxins Doku used because the chains were still down there with the three.
8 months ago
Anonymous
watch the webm
>Also that's not purple smoke, thats just the his clothes.
it's not his clothes. it has a smoke effect. you even see the purple fade away
8 months ago
Anonymous
It's literally the shadow on his clothes dude.
What you're seeing is the shadow on his clothes and a dust effect from punching a stone pillar. It's not purple smoke.
You have to jump through an insane amount of hoops to say it is.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>What you're seeing is the shadow on his clothes and a dust effect from punching a stone pillar
it's a purple cloud though, you can see it. a shadow would be black or gray. and likewise dust would also be gray particles
8 months ago
Anonymous
>anon discovers how light works
And like I said even if it was it would be related to Doku not Pagos.
8 months ago
Anonymous
here's a clearer image of the before and after. it isn't a shadow, if you open up paint and use the color picker it's a purple color
8 months ago
Anonymous
Jesus your skull is thick.
You haven't brought anything to the table that changes the explanation. You're just going >it is let me show you again!
8 months ago
Anonymous
I was trying to establish the purple cloud was there, quit sperging out to refute the earlier points denying it. we agree the purple cloud is there and we know Dokutaro is poison.
the theorycrafting at this point would be like kieran's negative emotions fulfilled a wish that led had the opposite effect of what he desired which we know Dokutaro was the one that granted the wishes to the loyal 3. but it the end there's still wishes be granted
8 months ago
Anonymous
>but it the end there's still wishes be granted
Anon, listen to me carefully.
If it was Doku then the whole idea of imagination falls apart because it's 100% reliant on Terapagos being the wish master. Understand?
If Terapagos isn't the wish master then everything is just what it is.
It's just a time machine and not a 3d poke printer
It's just an AI instead of some kind of crystal golem.
The terastalization isn't the Pokemon's ideal form it's just being powered up with a new type.
The reason we have these threads is to piece everything together in a way that makes sense with what we have.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>If it was Doku then the whole idea of imagination falls apart because it's 100% reliant on Terapagos being the wish master
it's the source of the wish manifestations but a lot of things tangentially related to it have terapagos wish energy rubbed off on them.
to get on with the point, when Dokutaro was first revealed people noticed it resembles a glimmora and it takes the form of a peach, a fruit. it makes sense the life cycle of a glimmet goes sprout, to flower, to fruit. this is an assumption we're making but let's go with it. we also know glimmoras are somehow connected to tera crystals which in turn are connected to terapagos. so the connection between Terapagos and Dokutaro has been established. the vibe I'm getting is that dokutaro is a sort of evil wish granter that'll influence kieran while the mc gets the good wish granter terapagos, considering we need to address both legendaries in the Indigo Disk DLC somehow.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>so the connection between Terapagos and Dokutaro has been established
Except it hasn't all of that assumes they all come from the two places we know of with Pagos crystals, Paldea and Kitakami.
We know from the Loyal Three story that they come from outside of Kitakami so that's out but there's also nothing saying that they came from Paldea.
Not to mention that would also mean that Glimmora have innate wishing abilities but we haven't seen shit about it.
You've got bigger holes than Shia LaBeouf.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>We know from the Loyal Three story that they come from outside of Kitakami so that's out but there's also nothing saying that they came from Paldea.
it's a possibility dokutaro did come from paldea unless you have evidence saying dokutaro can't have come from paldea. the absence of anything doesn't automatically mean dokutaro came from somewhere else. terapagos is down in area zero somewhere as shown in the trailers though. >Not to mention that would also mean that Glimmora have innate wishing abilities
no, glimmoras would be powerless until they fully matured into dokutaro where they then get wishing powers. it's like carbink and diancie, where diancie gets exclusive special traits
8 months ago
Anonymous
>it's a possibility dokutaro did come from paldea unless you have evidence saying dokutaro can't have come from paldea.
You're a little dim aren't you.
You can't prove something didn't happen because the nonexistence would be the proof. You can only prove something did happen. >it's like carbink and diancie, where diancie gets exclusive special traits
It's not though?
You're saying it's Glimmet to Glimmora to Dokutaro is an evolution/growth thing.
Carbink and Diancie is a exceedingly rare mutation.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>You can only prove something did happen.
there's a possibility dokutaro came from paldea. you're the one making the claim that since the game said nothing, dokutaro can't have come from paldea.
can you deny the possibility dokutaro came from paldea? it is possible >You're saying it's Glimmet to Glimmora to Dokutaro is an evolution/growth thing. Carbink and Diancie is a exceedingly rare mutation.
I'm just pointing out an existing example even if it isn't exactly identical. but the sprout, flower, fruit thing might not necessarily be a 3 stage evolution and instead the flowers only become fruit in special circumstances.
but none of that is really relevant since the only part that matters is that Dokutaro is the fully matured part of the glimmet life cycle so it does things its younger versions cannot.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>you're the one making the claim that since the game said nothing, dokutaro can't have come from paldea.
No, I'm saying that you have no evidence that it did. Is English not your first language or something because you're having a lot of trouble understanding it.
Either way burden of proof is on you to provide the evidence that brought you to that conclusion. >I'm just pointing out an existing example even if it isn't exactly identical.
Then it isn't an existing example, you'd be better off using something like Manaphy and Phione.
8 months ago
Anonymous
so lets backtrack then. dokutaro come from outside kitakami. you say the game never mentioned where they came from, yes that's a fact. I say it's possible dokutaro came from paldea. what's the problem here? >Then it isn't an existing example, you'd be better off using something like Manaphy and Phione.
lets just settle on some mature form that can do things it couldn't do in the earlier parts of the life cycle then. like a caterpillar as to glimmet, cocoon as to glimmora, butterfly as to dokutaro. where the butterfly can fly but it couldn't earlier. where dokutaro can grant wishes but it couldn't earlier.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>what's the problem here?
The lack of evidence for starters, keep up. >like a caterpillar as to glimmet, cocoon as to glimmora, butterfly as to dokutaro. where the butterfly can fly but it couldn't earlier. where dokutaro can grant wishes but it couldn't earlier.
See, but now the issue is the mechanics of wish granting. But we haven't seen any wishes in game so we don't know how it works.
You're making this shit up as you go anon. If you want people to take you seriously actually use evidence from the game and not your headcanon.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>The lack of evidence for starters, keep up.
assumptions needed to be made since that's what theorycrafting is for. dokutaro possibly came from paldea, this is an assumption we're making so lets go with it >See, but now the issue is the mechanics of wish granting. But we haven't seen any wishes in game so we don't know how it works.
when I've been talking about wishes what is the general idea you have in your head. because I feel like this whole argument hinges on some assumption you're making possibly thinking it's something as stereotypical as wishing on a star. can you elaborate what you think the process of "wish granting" would need to look like for you?
8 months ago
Anonymous
>assumptions needed to be made since that's what theorycrafting is for
No. You have that completely wrong
Theory crafting isn't about assumptions out of the blue, it's about trying to make sense out of what you have in a way that adheres to the logic of the subject matter.
Basically you're using facts not headcanon. That's why so many people can't get behind this wishing idea because there's nothing to it in game and it makes a metric frick ton of plot holes.
>can you elaborate what you think the process of "wish granting" would need to look like for you?
No and that's the problem. We don't have anything to form a solid foundation for a theory when it comes to wishes.
We don't know if it functions literally like a Monkey's paw
We don't know if it comes from Pagos, Doku or both.
We don't know if it's inherently malicious like a genie.
We don't know if it's limited like DB rules.
We don't know if it's an actual space that brings thoughts into reality and things outside of its range disappear.
There's so many ways wishing could function but nothing leads to them.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>No and that's the problem. We don't have anything to form a solid foundation for a theory when it comes to wishes.
we know for starters there needs to be a desire. something inside a person which is obviously invisible. then after making contact with something tangentially related to terapagos the desire or wish becomes a reality. wish manifestation, as referenced in this post
see pic related. people also drew parallels to Made in Abyss where the crater housed a thing called the Cradle of Desire which manifested wishes.
and there's been a lot of discussion about the weirdness of paradox pokemon before but that's another topic
we know some possible side-effects if you make near or direct contact with presumably terapagos like heath getting amnesia, probably has some detrimental psychological effects as well. and this also fits in somewhat with kieran as well, where you could assume his negative emotions were also fueled by dokutaro as we discussed earlier. and we saw how his demeanor drastically changed and carmine even comments how he isn't normally like that.
but from what the game has shown us it's always someone having a sort of desire and it manifests itself into reality. wish granting in this case is like literal reality bending, making the impossible possible.
>I need more people. More time. That woman/man (sada/turo) walked out not long after the boy (arven) was born. >I need another set of hands, but could they be trusted? And how long would it take them to even understand? If only there were two of me. >My new assistant has intellect and technical skills to rival my own.
here is one example. the professor was left by themselves and had a desire for wanting "another set of hands." and the next journal entry talks about the AI. the desire was manifested into reality.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>and the next journal entry talks about the AI.
Anon, the next journal entry doesn't talk about the AI. It talks about someone entirely new.
Not to mention the AI explicitly said it was built by a human.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>My new assistant has intellect and technical skills to rival my own. >A bit rigid at times, but I've got no serious complaints. Productivity has doubled.
seems more self evident that a log in research station 4 was foreshadowing the AI suddenly appearing shortly later on. but the professor used evasivelanguage to not directly say its an AI for storytelling purposes not to spoil a robot about to appear. even calls them a "bit rigid at times" nudging at the fact they're a robot that has jerky movements >Not to mention the AI explicitly said it was built by a human.
yes I'm not saying the robot popped into existence. but the AI robot said advanced AI was not possibly by modern times, so during the creation of the robot by a professor, might I add isn't an AI specialist and just wants to discover new pokemon, they got supernatural aid fueled by their desire. the form this wish took can be in all sorts of shapes and sizes, maybe it was knowledge imparted to them.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>we know for starters there needs to be a desire
Well not exactly.
We have Kieran and the professor, they have strong and specific desires. While the professor's was granted din the form of the time machine and paradoxes coming through Kieran's wasn't not to mention his desires didn't tie into the Loyal Three, it was always about being friends with the ogre and that warped over time >I want to be friends >I want to be strong enough to be friends >I want to be strong
The original desire is completely gone by the end but I digress.
Heath on the other hand didn't, Heath just wanted to explore area zero, that's extremely vague.
The crystals would have been the only thing that was mentioned in the book if everything else were a product of wishing
And then there are the pokemon themselves, part of the wish theory isn't that the tera type is what the pokemon wants to be but more often than not the pokemon doesn't have a different tera type to their main type.
To me it looks like that depends on how charged they are with Terapagos energy
Pokemon that aren't and just get the energy when the orb is thrown at them just enhance their regular type.
Pokemon that can terastalize on their own glow out in the field and have a different Tera type.
And you go one step beyond that and they form crystal dens, where they not only gain a new Tera type but also grow in size which also ties into the titan pokemon.
The titan pokemon come from eating the Herba Mystica, like gorging themselves on it. The herbs originally came from Area Zero a Tera energy hot-spot. In other words they were soaking in the stuff before Heath came along and planted them outside of Area Zero.
I'm rambling now but you get the picture, that's how you get an interconnected theory. It's not just an explanation, it's a rational explanation based on things we can actually observe.
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8 months ago
Anonymous
Oh and I forgot Arven, he definitely had a massive desire, two in fact to see his parent and to heal Mabosstiff.
Nothing made the professor come back and while Mabosstiff was healed it was because what ailed it aligned with what the Herbs fixed rather than the other way around.
>and the next journal entry talks about the AI.
That's what everyone thought at a glance but but reading deeper, it can't be the AI.
The wording is the first hint, you wouldn't refer to what's essentially a copy of yourself an intellectual rival or rigid for that matter, since the AI rarely acted like a machine throughout the story, there's only one or two instances like when it reads your ID at the start.
The second is that the AI said it was built by human hands >An AI is an artificial intelligence created by a human being. A computer draws on the original professor's knowledge and memories to calculate all of my thoughts and actions. The results of those calculations are expressed by this mechanical body, built to resemble the professor in every way
That rules out wishing as well as the professor building it because of this line. >Humanity does not, in fact, possess the knowledge to develop such a sophisticated AI at present.
The professor couldn't have done it alone because the knowledge doesn't exist in the modern day. There had to be a third party and it's also the most damning evidence behind that person being a time traveller.
In addition it would also explain how they know that a human can't travel back through time.
I forgot to add that there are two prime candidates for the assistant role.
Briar, both being a descendant of Heath and having the original manuscript, the only thing that mentioned Terapagos by name due to it being blacked out in the published versions of the book meaning the professor would have had to have seen it to know that to write it in the logs.
And Geeta, not do they make a note of Geeta owning a Glimmora which outside of Area Zero are a rarity but the way she talks is the definition of rigid, she almost always refers to Nemona as "Champion Nemona" for example.
Not to mention we know very little about her. She's a massive mystery.
This is Theory crafting.
It's not just one or two things with minor connections, it's a whole interweaving tapestry that paints a picture and can change the way you view things
I guarantee you've put more thought into this than anyone else.
And the worst part is that I can't see any real issues except for probably Briar.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, Briar would have to be a part of the first team who initially went down.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Oh and I forgot Arven, he definitely had a massive desire, two in fact to see his parent and to heal Mabosstiff.
Nothing made the professor come back and while Mabosstiff was healed it was because what ailed it aligned with what the Herbs fixed rather than the other way around.
>and the next journal entry talks about the AI.
That's what everyone thought at a glance but but reading deeper, it can't be the AI.
The wording is the first hint, you wouldn't refer to what's essentially a copy of yourself an intellectual rival or rigid for that matter, since the AI rarely acted like a machine throughout the story, there's only one or two instances like when it reads your ID at the start.
The second is that the AI said it was built by human hands >An AI is an artificial intelligence created by a human being. A computer draws on the original professor's knowledge and memories to calculate all of my thoughts and actions. The results of those calculations are expressed by this mechanical body, built to resemble the professor in every way
That rules out wishing as well as the professor building it because of this line. >Humanity does not, in fact, possess the knowledge to develop such a sophisticated AI at present.
The professor couldn't have done it alone because the knowledge doesn't exist in the modern day. There had to be a third party and it's also the most damning evidence behind that person being a time traveller.
In addition it would also explain how they know that a human can't travel back through time.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I forgot to add that there are two prime candidates for the assistant role.
Briar, both being a descendant of Heath and having the original manuscript, the only thing that mentioned Terapagos by name due to it being blacked out in the published versions of the book meaning the professor would have had to have seen it to know that to write it in the logs.
And Geeta, not do they make a note of Geeta owning a Glimmora which outside of Area Zero are a rarity but the way she talks is the definition of rigid, she almost always refers to Nemona as "Champion Nemona" for example.
Not to mention we know very little about her. She's a massive mystery.
This is Theory crafting.
It's not just one or two things with minor connections, it's a whole interweaving tapestry that paints a picture and can change the way you view things
8 months ago
Anonymous
If it's imaginationgay who's peddling the idea then yeah, he's not exactly open to other ideas or interpretation, he just wants you to say he's right and pay him on the back.
He's been plaguing these threads from the beginning.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Jesus your skull is thick.
You haven't brought anything to the table that changes the explanation. You're just going >it is let me show you again!
It's literally the shadow on his clothes dude.
What you're seeing is the shadow on his clothes and a dust effect from punching a stone pillar. It's not purple smoke.
You have to jump through an insane amount of hoops to say it is.
seems like the same time schizo that had a meltdown yesterday
8 months ago
Anonymous
Oh so it is you. Calling everyone you don't like time schizo again I see?
8 months ago
Anonymous
You are seriously fricking blind and moronic
8 months ago
Anonymous
The fossils aren't brought back to life. They're cloned, like in Jurassic Park.
8 months ago
Anonymous
It's a lighting effect dude.
I will say It's fricking hilarious manchildren here cry about the looks of the games, while morons use those same looks to push their moronic theories. When the honest answer is Game Freak simply wanted to mirror Keiran's mood with the lights, but weren't skilled enough to do it more competently.
8 months ago
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>Also that's not purple smoke, thats just the his clothes.
it's not his clothes. it has a smoke effect. you even see the purple fade away
8 months ago
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I doubt it's a lighting effect, his arm could've been like the right image the whole animation but it isn't
8 months ago
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It's dust from the monument.
8 months ago
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dust from a monument wouldn't a purple hue. but what is purple is the dokutaro plush and the toxic chains on the loyal 3.
8 months ago
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You know light is a thing right?
8 months ago
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and how does lighting make the purple effect? dust effects I see in games are always just gray clouds
8 months ago
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Gengar is purple, too. What's the connection?
8 months ago
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and how does lighting make the purple effect? dust effects I see in games are always just gray clouds
Because purple is used as a colour for shadow and we already established they dimmed the light for that scene with cloud-cover briefly. Thus in the absence of bright light the dust becomes purple to match the light filtering through.
Fricking spastic.
8 months ago
Anonymous
watch the video on hd for yourself at 8:20.
I say it is a purple cloud because it looks like one and it is purple as shown by a color picker. the lighting effects seem like a more complicated explanation
8 months ago
Anonymous
I've said my piece, you've repeated your opinion autistically repeatedly. See you when Indigo Disk drops.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I just had a bolt of realization too from your comment. Indigo Disk. why is it called that? terapagos is the disk, but indigo is a single color while terapagos is mostly cyan and blue.
Indigo, purple. Dokutaro is indigo. so it'll be possibly a Dokutaro/Terapagos clash
8 months ago
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>why is it called that
Because Terapagos' body is indigo, you moron.
8 months ago
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terapagos' main body seems more like a shade of solid blue. you could associate indigo with that but indigo is usually more purplish, considering we know dokutaro definitely exists and is purple, so is the toxic chains.
8 months ago
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>terapagos' main body seems more like a shade of solid blue
Yes, a specific shade of blue commonly known as indigo, color code #330099. >but indigo is usually more purplish
It isn't. I don't know where you got this color chart from but it goes against every other one and it doesn't actually have what's known as indigo on it.
8 months ago
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indigo is a darker blue. It's the color of the rainbow between cyan and purple. Terapagos is indigo, not purple at all
those seem like 2 different colors. but I'll agree terapagos' body leans more into #330099
8 months ago
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>those seem like 2 different colors
They're the same color it's just that the one on wikipedia is on paper.
8 months ago
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Does the purple of the chains line up with any the shades of indigo is my next question, as that'd confirm it. Otherwise I think it may just be a reference to Terapagos' blue colour (though it could be both if the chains match).
8 months ago
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>Dokutaro is indigo
What.
Anon, if you look at the in game plush it's more pink.
You know, like how peaches are commonly depicted.
8 months ago
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it's somewhere in-between. but it does resemble the end of the toxic chain, and the toxic chains are purple
8 months ago
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terapagos' main body seems more like a shade of solid blue. you could associate indigo with that but indigo is usually more purplish, considering we know dokutaro definitely exists and is purple, so is the toxic chains.
indigo is a darker blue. It's the color of the rainbow between cyan and purple. Terapagos is indigo, not purple at all
8 months ago
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>ho-oh is the classic phoenix reviving from the dead, but terapagos is just generic energy?
NTA but a phoenix doesn't revive others, just itself from the ashes. A philosopher's stone, a stone used to change elements into something else much like how Terapagos can change the types of pokemon, could grant immortality.
In other words, there's more of a connection to revival with Terapagos than there is Ho-oh.
8 months ago
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>Also that's not purple smoke, thats just the his clothes.
it's not his clothes. it has a smoke effect. you even see the purple fade away
Oic, tera imagination power.
My god, it's such an awful deus ex machinima but it technically counts. I can understand why TTgays cope so hard; it really is weak writing but it just works™.
see pic related. people also drew parallels to Made in Abyss where the crater housed a thing called the Cradle of Desire which manifested wishes.
and there's been a lot of discussion about the weirdness of paradox pokemon before but that's another topic
I have a confession to make. When I played Scarlet, when I got to area zero, I muted the in-game music and played MiA's OST all throughout, and it was a significantly better experience.
does orichalcum have any possible relation to hell or demons? it would be weird for only one of the duo to have an ability reference something like this
they already made a judeo-christian god parallel a decade ago and have an entire game dedicated to it now. wouldn't be too far fetched to assume they're going into /x/ schizo religion territory
New?
Anon, everyone has been saying that the moment we made it to Area Zero. Are you new to story discussion threads or something? That's how the Tera orbs work.
unless we discover they were completely under the influence of dokutaro I'll make sure they'll spend their eternity dying and resucitating as I use them as punching bags in fights
Rewatched the punch scene where there was no dust in the bg and the purple was even more apparent. Came out of nowhere from the second of the impact and gone right after. Shit looks like it was added.
They also got -ACKed in response to be fair
But Ogerpon didn't get away with it.
They already paid their blood price by dying.
They got fricking murdered
>Killed a guy
>Terrorized Ogrepon
>Had an entire village and generations of said village think they were heroes and shun Ogrepon
its not like they got the benefits of that heroic treatment, they were fricking dead lol.
I bet they were confused as frick initially when they went back to the village and were being worshipped
they got free mochi and them going from dead to alive again only felt like a blip in time to them
depends on how the pokemon afterlife works
Imagine if Pokemon would do something similar to this with a revived mon.
Huh, so the Loyal three were slowly choked to death over an alleged counterfeit bill? I didn’t play the DLC.
No, they overdosed on Hyper Potions and Ogerpon was standing next to them and got blamed.
sounds pretty much like the cia/nato
theyre bandits, I highly doubt they're very happy being captured, which is especially evident of their extremely low catch rate
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they did not get away with it moron
>revived and got a 2nd chance
>slap on the wrist titan fight
>now nestled snugly inside your pc box after catching them
sounds like they got away with it
ogerpon fricking beat them to death with a spiked club
they got revived. if they didn’t get away with it they’d be dead forever duh
they did nothing wrong
>He believes in Ogre propaganda
Kieran this site is for us adults.
What the FRICK was their problem?
>bird legendary
>weak to ground
>Night Legendary
>quad weak to Dark
Why does everyone say they killed Ogerpon's human friend? He wasn't in the cave when she came back, if he died there would have been his body (if the Three had stuck around to hide his corpse after killing him, they could have also taken the fourth mask). Unless the implication is he left the cave to wander away somewhere in his dying moments? But why? I feel like either I missed a key detail, or everyone else is jumping to a conclusion when there is more to it than meets the eye.
Why else would Ogerpon fall into such a rage that she clubbed three Pokémon to death? The story said she found her cave completely trashed after a severe struggle. And there was no further mention of the man.
While the game DID not shy away from saying that the professor was killed by the aggressive Raidon, it does specify that it was an accident. The attack of the Loyal Three however was actively malicious, so my guess is that they didn't want to downright say that the man was literally murdered.
I get what you mean, but one line in the story stands out to me. Right before she finds and beats the shit out of the Loyal Three:
>The ogre donned that mask and went down to the village, perhaps to search for its friend.
It feels like his fate is intentionally mysterious and ambiguous right now.
>tfw the man was working with the Loyal Three
Kek, I was thinking more like with the recent datamines about the fourth Pokemon that presumably gave the other three their toxic chains, and the talk of "zombies", maybe it specifically did something to him... But even before that, I've already been thinking maybe the 2nd DLC part would clear things up around him. I'll definitely keep hoping, some full closure would be nice.
>Ogerpon's friend returns as a zombie trainer under Dokutaro's control
>when he's defeated, he briefly regains his mind to notice that Ogerpon is there and alright, giving him an opportunity to say goodbye to her for the last time and give her some closure
This would be kino, but we both know Gamefreak wouldn't do any of this.
>he hasnt played pokemon Y
makes ogerpon sound more psychotic if it went down and clubbed the royal 3 to death for just burglarizing her home
He could've fallen off that narrow walkway and been washed away by the waterfall.
People are assuming that because she went on a murderous rampage. I think the game is purposely unclear about it. The story is at this point centuries old. Neither party lives or has evidence for their claims. I have a few hypotheses about what happened but ultimately it is all speculative and unfounded. All we know is that something triggered their apparent revival, most likely related to Terapagos’ and Kieran’s emotions/belief.
Maybe Ogerpon just really likes its masks and murdered the loyal 3 because they stole them. It might not even care about the human.
So the terapagos is the hogyoku
I think they avoided outright stating that Ogerpon's friend was murdered, but iirc, there was a line that stated that her friend never let go of the Teal Mask, so it implies that he was holding on to it when Ogerpon found it
I feel like you have autism or the mentality of a child.
Yes I am autistic, not denying that
imagine my shock 3 dark color characters killing someone over something that they had.
>The man happened to be there. He managed to hold on to one of the masks...
>But he was not strong enough to protect them all. The Pokemon stole the other three masks.
>Several hours later, when the ogre returned to the cave...
>It found its home in ruin. All that was left were signs of a struggle and a teal mask.
>The ogre donned that mask and went to the village, perhaps to search for its friend.
The actual text in-game says the man was holding the Teal Mask and protecting it so the Loyal Three couldn't steal it like the others. Ogerpon returned "several hours later" to find just the mask. If the Loyal Three had killed the man, why couldn't they have just stolen the Teal Mask as well? He had to still be alive in order to protect it. There's hours between the incident and Ogerpon's return to the cave. My theory is that, with only one mask remaining, the man decided to leave forever so that Ogerpon could have the mask for herself and continue visiting the village and having fun at the festival. If they shared it, half the time Ogerpon would be left alone while the man went to the festival. He decided to sacrifice his own happiness for Ogerpon's, much like a father would for his daughter. The tragedy is that, of course, Ogerpon cared more for her friend than the mask and the man didn't realize that.
The wild Morpekos ate his corpse.
But I played Scarlet.
Why does the monke have a male pattern baldness hair?
Why do you think he's so greedy as to murder a man in cold blood for a baldness hiding shiny mask?
Multiple actual humans got away with trying to do much worse than that.
These at least died once.
Any reason to party is a good reason
>Gets away
>Beaten to death
how did gamefreak get away with making such ugly designs
It's because You Bought It Anyway.
There's a lot of death and debilitating injuries in this gen
>Heath's team member was gored by a paradox Donphan
>the violent Raidon killed the professor
>the Loyal Three killed a dude
>Mabosstiff was attacked by an unknown paradox and was left so injured it couldn't open it's eyes
Don't forget that Ogerpon also literally beat the Loyal Three to death with her club. This gen is brutal.
It really all started in Gen VII. For some reason, a lot of the Pokedex entries suddenly started talking about Pokemon predation and natural enemies. Some of them were just hilariously dark, like Cubone's entry being something like, "It occasionally thinks of its mother and cries through the night. Hearing these cries, Mandibuzz swoops down on them" and pic related.
At this point, I am expecting genuine zombies to show up.
Does he know?
>He doesn't know
Grusha was also forced to retire from snowboarding due to an injury.
gamefrick is moving glacially towards edgymon
No surprise is shit
"got beaten to death" is getting away with it to you?
Am I responsible for the murder after capturing them?
was does the mon on the left have its wiener out?
Pokemon steal things all the time, it's in a lot of dex descriptions. So they stole masks, so what?
Why are they called the Loyal Three? What are they loyal to?
It was just some pet name the people gave them because they thought the trio was protecting them from the killer ogre. So they're "loyal" to the town, willing to give up their lives for it.
>Kills 3 pokemon
>Gets away with it because a schizo kid convinces an entire city that it is fine
They violated the NAP when they broke into her home and stole her shit. You get what you deserve.
Ogre propaganda, do you really thing someone as beautiful as Fezandipiti needs tor resort to stealing? That is just ogre propaganda.
>100% male
haha homosexual
How did they come back from the dead again?
Kieran's incel rage fueled them
Possessed by Dokutaro?
Possibly, yes. When he punches the pillar, purple smoke comes out of his fist.
>Gets away
Dude, they got fricking murdered. Brutally. Bludgeoned to death, having heir organs liquefied and bones shattered. If Ogerpon didn't kill them instantly by crushing their skulls, then they certainly were left to bleed out in agony. Whatever the case, they sure as frick paid the price.
>get murdered
>revived fresh as a daisy
>can't beat up an older Ogerpon
>Munki beaten by a kid
>get a titan power boost
>all of them get beaten up by a kid
>have the masks they stole taken away
>get captured by the same kid that beat you up after being beaten up for a second and third time for Munki
Steroids will do that.
Tch. I killed hundreds.
Actually that brings a interesting thought.
Which pokemon has the highest death counter.
And no not the ones that indirectly cause death, as in actually kill people.
And not species totality either, individually
Individual kills or mass death caused by their moves?
The answer either way is split between Kyogre, Groudon and Yvetal.
As in actually wanting to kill people.
Yveltal is like saying The Grim Reaper kills people, it IS death.
Kyogre and Groudon are like Forces of Nature they don't really care they kill, they just do.
No I mean ones that actually murder people.
I thought I made that clear.
>Yveltal is like saying The Grim Reaper kills people, it IS death.
No? That's Giratina's role, if anything. Or maybe Darkrai's, if you die in your sleep. Yveltal is literally "the destruction pokemon". The Grim Reaper wouldn't randomly go back into a cocoon every now and then. Yveltal is an ominous and deadly kaiju.
Giratina’s role is to live in the cuck dimension and seethe.
Darkrai just causes and eats nightmares.
If anything Dusknoir is the Grim Reaper Pokémon, but Yveltal probably has the capacity to cause the most death.
Mewtwo never killed anyone. He just turned people into stone.
What was Rocket Base.
What was New Island?
Hell game wise Fuji's Lab.
Unrelated accidental fire at the lab, and there's no proof anyone died in your other examples.
Sure looks fricking devastated.
Less damage would have occurred if a bomb was dropped on it.
He razed the place to the fricking ground.
(Pic)
Was anybody there at the time? Looks deserted.
Vaporized
its a kids show anon
That dude had it coming.
Still pissed that Fezandipiti isn't Poison/Flying. Like I get the Fairy type and all but it's LITERALLY FLYING IN THE AIR WITH ITS WINGS. You know how long I've been waiting for another Poison/Flying type that isn't the Zubat line?
In a different but similar boat, I wanted a Poison/Fairy type because it was a unique typing that hadn't been made yet, but Fezandipiti doesn't really fit the image of what I imagine a Poison/Fairy would look like.
Likewise, still waiting to see a Bug/Dragon, and I want it to be a good Bug/Dragon.
The real question is how in the frick were they able to come back to life.
Good on them, but wtf?
crystal pond lets you talk to dead people. its tera crystals (teal mask kieran was holding) doing wish granting, imagination, reality altering, thought manifesting, or whatever you want to call it
wow so it's not time travel after all?
time travel wouldn't work for the loyal 3, they died and got buried. didn't blip out of the timeline or anything to end up in the present
Travel into the past before they died. Take them and travel forward, skipping over the point of their deaths. Voila.
no that doesn't work, if you skip over their deaths then that completely changes history. erasing the folk story of ogerpon beating them to death. because they don't exist in the past anymore.
You know Terapagos isn't a time travel pokemon right? It just has insane amounts of energy.
Occam's razor, they just came back to life because their bodies were re-energized.
I think you're jumping a few too many hoops there assuming any amount of energy can revive dead things.
occam's razor is people die when they are killed.
>what is ho-oh
weirder that terapagos can do something that supposedly only exclusively ho-oh can do then, being a phoenix with the reviving from the dead trope
You say that but Pagos has clear philosopher's stone inspirations and that was a stone that granted immortality and rejuvenation.
>you're jumping a few too many hoops there
Anon, saying that the energy revived them doesn't have any hoops. It just uses the bare essentials of what we know from the game.
Wishing and desires on the other hand uses a ton of assumptions from the start and then creates a revival situation that goes over itself because no one wanted them to come back to life. That's jumping through hoops.
>occam's razor is people die when they are killed.
You don't know what Occam's razor is do you.
occam's razor is the simplest explanation. the ambiguous term of "energy" being able to reanimate dead things doesn't explain anything. scientists reanimate dead fossils with tech probably involving DNA. ho-oh is the classic phoenix reviving from the dead, but terapagos is just generic energy? elaborate.
since the point I'm getting at is this energy has supernatural properties, which causes all the supernatural things in-game to happen
>no one wanted them to come back to life
knowing new things we've learned. crystal pond lets people talk to the dead, just something to mention. but also more importantly right before the loyal 3 got revived kieran was at the shrine with the teal mask. and in a fit of anger punched a pillar and released a faint cloud of purple smoke. this was placed there on purpose. what this means we don't know yet, but it'll probably tie back to Dokutaro we know from the datamine
Anon, you're literally adding hoops to the explanation while acting like yours don't exist.
Also that's not purple smoke, thats just the his clothes.
>Also that's not purple smoke, thats just the his clothes.
it's not his clothes. it has a smoke effect. you even see the purple fade away
My dude you're getting SO much wrong here.
>crystal pond lets people talk to the dead,
It said MEET not talk. And it's a myth that we never see in game.
>but also more importantly right before the loyal 3 got revived kieran was at the shrine with the teal mask. and in a fit of anger punched a pillar and released a faint cloud of purple smoke.
There is no purple smoke, thats just a shadow on his clothes dude.
>this was placed there on purpose.
There's nothing there
>what this means we don't know yet, but it'll probably tie back to Dokutaro we know from the datamine
Not only is that a massive hole in the idea further complicating it but if Dokutaro did it then it's not related to Terapagos. It's most likely whatever toxins Doku used because the chains were still down there with the three.
watch the webm
It's literally the shadow on his clothes dude.
What you're seeing is the shadow on his clothes and a dust effect from punching a stone pillar. It's not purple smoke.
You have to jump through an insane amount of hoops to say it is.
>What you're seeing is the shadow on his clothes and a dust effect from punching a stone pillar
it's a purple cloud though, you can see it. a shadow would be black or gray. and likewise dust would also be gray particles
>anon discovers how light works
And like I said even if it was it would be related to Doku not Pagos.
here's a clearer image of the before and after. it isn't a shadow, if you open up paint and use the color picker it's a purple color
Jesus your skull is thick.
You haven't brought anything to the table that changes the explanation. You're just going
>it is let me show you again!
I was trying to establish the purple cloud was there, quit sperging out to refute the earlier points denying it. we agree the purple cloud is there and we know Dokutaro is poison.
the theorycrafting at this point would be like kieran's negative emotions fulfilled a wish that led had the opposite effect of what he desired which we know Dokutaro was the one that granted the wishes to the loyal 3. but it the end there's still wishes be granted
>but it the end there's still wishes be granted
Anon, listen to me carefully.
If it was Doku then the whole idea of imagination falls apart because it's 100% reliant on Terapagos being the wish master. Understand?
If Terapagos isn't the wish master then everything is just what it is.
It's just a time machine and not a 3d poke printer
It's just an AI instead of some kind of crystal golem.
The terastalization isn't the Pokemon's ideal form it's just being powered up with a new type.
The reason we have these threads is to piece everything together in a way that makes sense with what we have.
>If it was Doku then the whole idea of imagination falls apart because it's 100% reliant on Terapagos being the wish master
it's the source of the wish manifestations but a lot of things tangentially related to it have terapagos wish energy rubbed off on them.
to get on with the point, when Dokutaro was first revealed people noticed it resembles a glimmora and it takes the form of a peach, a fruit. it makes sense the life cycle of a glimmet goes sprout, to flower, to fruit. this is an assumption we're making but let's go with it. we also know glimmoras are somehow connected to tera crystals which in turn are connected to terapagos. so the connection between Terapagos and Dokutaro has been established. the vibe I'm getting is that dokutaro is a sort of evil wish granter that'll influence kieran while the mc gets the good wish granter terapagos, considering we need to address both legendaries in the Indigo Disk DLC somehow.
>so the connection between Terapagos and Dokutaro has been established
Except it hasn't all of that assumes they all come from the two places we know of with Pagos crystals, Paldea and Kitakami.
We know from the Loyal Three story that they come from outside of Kitakami so that's out but there's also nothing saying that they came from Paldea.
Not to mention that would also mean that Glimmora have innate wishing abilities but we haven't seen shit about it.
You've got bigger holes than Shia LaBeouf.
>We know from the Loyal Three story that they come from outside of Kitakami so that's out but there's also nothing saying that they came from Paldea.
it's a possibility dokutaro did come from paldea unless you have evidence saying dokutaro can't have come from paldea. the absence of anything doesn't automatically mean dokutaro came from somewhere else. terapagos is down in area zero somewhere as shown in the trailers though.
>Not to mention that would also mean that Glimmora have innate wishing abilities
no, glimmoras would be powerless until they fully matured into dokutaro where they then get wishing powers. it's like carbink and diancie, where diancie gets exclusive special traits
>it's a possibility dokutaro did come from paldea unless you have evidence saying dokutaro can't have come from paldea.
You're a little dim aren't you.
You can't prove something didn't happen because the nonexistence would be the proof. You can only prove something did happen.
>it's like carbink and diancie, where diancie gets exclusive special traits
It's not though?
You're saying it's Glimmet to Glimmora to Dokutaro is an evolution/growth thing.
Carbink and Diancie is a exceedingly rare mutation.
>You can only prove something did happen.
there's a possibility dokutaro came from paldea. you're the one making the claim that since the game said nothing, dokutaro can't have come from paldea.
can you deny the possibility dokutaro came from paldea? it is possible
>You're saying it's Glimmet to Glimmora to Dokutaro is an evolution/growth thing. Carbink and Diancie is a exceedingly rare mutation.
I'm just pointing out an existing example even if it isn't exactly identical. but the sprout, flower, fruit thing might not necessarily be a 3 stage evolution and instead the flowers only become fruit in special circumstances.
but none of that is really relevant since the only part that matters is that Dokutaro is the fully matured part of the glimmet life cycle so it does things its younger versions cannot.
>you're the one making the claim that since the game said nothing, dokutaro can't have come from paldea.
No, I'm saying that you have no evidence that it did. Is English not your first language or something because you're having a lot of trouble understanding it.
Either way burden of proof is on you to provide the evidence that brought you to that conclusion.
>I'm just pointing out an existing example even if it isn't exactly identical.
Then it isn't an existing example, you'd be better off using something like Manaphy and Phione.
so lets backtrack then. dokutaro come from outside kitakami. you say the game never mentioned where they came from, yes that's a fact. I say it's possible dokutaro came from paldea. what's the problem here?
>Then it isn't an existing example, you'd be better off using something like Manaphy and Phione.
lets just settle on some mature form that can do things it couldn't do in the earlier parts of the life cycle then. like a caterpillar as to glimmet, cocoon as to glimmora, butterfly as to dokutaro. where the butterfly can fly but it couldn't earlier. where dokutaro can grant wishes but it couldn't earlier.
>what's the problem here?
The lack of evidence for starters, keep up.
>like a caterpillar as to glimmet, cocoon as to glimmora, butterfly as to dokutaro. where the butterfly can fly but it couldn't earlier. where dokutaro can grant wishes but it couldn't earlier.
See, but now the issue is the mechanics of wish granting. But we haven't seen any wishes in game so we don't know how it works.
You're making this shit up as you go anon. If you want people to take you seriously actually use evidence from the game and not your headcanon.
>The lack of evidence for starters, keep up.
assumptions needed to be made since that's what theorycrafting is for. dokutaro possibly came from paldea, this is an assumption we're making so lets go with it
>See, but now the issue is the mechanics of wish granting. But we haven't seen any wishes in game so we don't know how it works.
when I've been talking about wishes what is the general idea you have in your head. because I feel like this whole argument hinges on some assumption you're making possibly thinking it's something as stereotypical as wishing on a star. can you elaborate what you think the process of "wish granting" would need to look like for you?
>assumptions needed to be made since that's what theorycrafting is for
No. You have that completely wrong
Theory crafting isn't about assumptions out of the blue, it's about trying to make sense out of what you have in a way that adheres to the logic of the subject matter.
Basically you're using facts not headcanon. That's why so many people can't get behind this wishing idea because there's nothing to it in game and it makes a metric frick ton of plot holes.
>can you elaborate what you think the process of "wish granting" would need to look like for you?
No and that's the problem. We don't have anything to form a solid foundation for a theory when it comes to wishes.
We don't know if it functions literally like a Monkey's paw
We don't know if it comes from Pagos, Doku or both.
We don't know if it's inherently malicious like a genie.
We don't know if it's limited like DB rules.
We don't know if it's an actual space that brings thoughts into reality and things outside of its range disappear.
There's so many ways wishing could function but nothing leads to them.
>No and that's the problem. We don't have anything to form a solid foundation for a theory when it comes to wishes.
we know for starters there needs to be a desire. something inside a person which is obviously invisible. then after making contact with something tangentially related to terapagos the desire or wish becomes a reality. wish manifestation, as referenced in this post
we know some possible side-effects if you make near or direct contact with presumably terapagos like heath getting amnesia, probably has some detrimental psychological effects as well. and this also fits in somewhat with kieran as well, where you could assume his negative emotions were also fueled by dokutaro as we discussed earlier. and we saw how his demeanor drastically changed and carmine even comments how he isn't normally like that.
but from what the game has shown us it's always someone having a sort of desire and it manifests itself into reality. wish granting in this case is like literal reality bending, making the impossible possible.
>I need more people. More time. That woman/man (sada/turo) walked out not long after the boy (arven) was born.
>I need another set of hands, but could they be trusted? And how long would it take them to even understand? If only there were two of me.
>My new assistant has intellect and technical skills to rival my own.
here is one example. the professor was left by themselves and had a desire for wanting "another set of hands." and the next journal entry talks about the AI. the desire was manifested into reality.
>and the next journal entry talks about the AI.
Anon, the next journal entry doesn't talk about the AI. It talks about someone entirely new.
Not to mention the AI explicitly said it was built by a human.
>My new assistant has intellect and technical skills to rival my own.
>A bit rigid at times, but I've got no serious complaints. Productivity has doubled.
seems more self evident that a log in research station 4 was foreshadowing the AI suddenly appearing shortly later on. but the professor used evasivelanguage to not directly say its an AI for storytelling purposes not to spoil a robot about to appear. even calls them a "bit rigid at times" nudging at the fact they're a robot that has jerky movements
>Not to mention the AI explicitly said it was built by a human.
yes I'm not saying the robot popped into existence. but the AI robot said advanced AI was not possibly by modern times, so during the creation of the robot by a professor, might I add isn't an AI specialist and just wants to discover new pokemon, they got supernatural aid fueled by their desire. the form this wish took can be in all sorts of shapes and sizes, maybe it was knowledge imparted to them.
>we know for starters there needs to be a desire
Well not exactly.
We have Kieran and the professor, they have strong and specific desires. While the professor's was granted din the form of the time machine and paradoxes coming through Kieran's wasn't not to mention his desires didn't tie into the Loyal Three, it was always about being friends with the ogre and that warped over time
>I want to be friends
>I want to be strong enough to be friends
>I want to be strong
The original desire is completely gone by the end but I digress.
Heath on the other hand didn't, Heath just wanted to explore area zero, that's extremely vague.
The crystals would have been the only thing that was mentioned in the book if everything else were a product of wishing
And then there are the pokemon themselves, part of the wish theory isn't that the tera type is what the pokemon wants to be but more often than not the pokemon doesn't have a different tera type to their main type.
To me it looks like that depends on how charged they are with Terapagos energy
Pokemon that aren't and just get the energy when the orb is thrown at them just enhance their regular type.
Pokemon that can terastalize on their own glow out in the field and have a different Tera type.
And you go one step beyond that and they form crystal dens, where they not only gain a new Tera type but also grow in size which also ties into the titan pokemon.
The titan pokemon come from eating the Herba Mystica, like gorging themselves on it. The herbs originally came from Area Zero a Tera energy hot-spot. In other words they were soaking in the stuff before Heath came along and planted them outside of Area Zero.
I'm rambling now but you get the picture, that's how you get an interconnected theory. It's not just an explanation, it's a rational explanation based on things we can actually observe.
Character limit.
I guarantee you've put more thought into this than anyone else.
And the worst part is that I can't see any real issues except for probably Briar.
Yeah, Briar would have to be a part of the first team who initially went down.
Oh and I forgot Arven, he definitely had a massive desire, two in fact to see his parent and to heal Mabosstiff.
Nothing made the professor come back and while Mabosstiff was healed it was because what ailed it aligned with what the Herbs fixed rather than the other way around.
>and the next journal entry talks about the AI.
That's what everyone thought at a glance but but reading deeper, it can't be the AI.
The wording is the first hint, you wouldn't refer to what's essentially a copy of yourself an intellectual rival or rigid for that matter, since the AI rarely acted like a machine throughout the story, there's only one or two instances like when it reads your ID at the start.
The second is that the AI said it was built by human hands
>An AI is an artificial intelligence created by a human being. A computer draws on the original professor's knowledge and memories to calculate all of my thoughts and actions. The results of those calculations are expressed by this mechanical body, built to resemble the professor in every way
That rules out wishing as well as the professor building it because of this line.
>Humanity does not, in fact, possess the knowledge to develop such a sophisticated AI at present.
The professor couldn't have done it alone because the knowledge doesn't exist in the modern day. There had to be a third party and it's also the most damning evidence behind that person being a time traveller.
In addition it would also explain how they know that a human can't travel back through time.
I forgot to add that there are two prime candidates for the assistant role.
Briar, both being a descendant of Heath and having the original manuscript, the only thing that mentioned Terapagos by name due to it being blacked out in the published versions of the book meaning the professor would have had to have seen it to know that to write it in the logs.
And Geeta, not do they make a note of Geeta owning a Glimmora which outside of Area Zero are a rarity but the way she talks is the definition of rigid, she almost always refers to Nemona as "Champion Nemona" for example.
Not to mention we know very little about her. She's a massive mystery.
This is Theory crafting.
It's not just one or two things with minor connections, it's a whole interweaving tapestry that paints a picture and can change the way you view things
If it's imaginationgay who's peddling the idea then yeah, he's not exactly open to other ideas or interpretation, he just wants you to say he's right and pay him on the back.
He's been plaguing these threads from the beginning.
seems like the same time schizo that had a meltdown yesterday
Oh so it is you. Calling everyone you don't like time schizo again I see?
You are seriously fricking blind and moronic
The fossils aren't brought back to life. They're cloned, like in Jurassic Park.
It's a lighting effect dude.
I will say It's fricking hilarious manchildren here cry about the looks of the games, while morons use those same looks to push their moronic theories. When the honest answer is Game Freak simply wanted to mirror Keiran's mood with the lights, but weren't skilled enough to do it more competently.
Meant for
I doubt it's a lighting effect, his arm could've been like the right image the whole animation but it isn't
It's dust from the monument.
dust from a monument wouldn't a purple hue. but what is purple is the dokutaro plush and the toxic chains on the loyal 3.
You know light is a thing right?
and how does lighting make the purple effect? dust effects I see in games are always just gray clouds
Gengar is purple, too. What's the connection?
Because purple is used as a colour for shadow and we already established they dimmed the light for that scene with cloud-cover briefly. Thus in the absence of bright light the dust becomes purple to match the light filtering through.
Fricking spastic.
watch the video on hd for yourself at 8:20.
I say it is a purple cloud because it looks like one and it is purple as shown by a color picker. the lighting effects seem like a more complicated explanation
I've said my piece, you've repeated your opinion autistically repeatedly. See you when Indigo Disk drops.
I just had a bolt of realization too from your comment. Indigo Disk. why is it called that? terapagos is the disk, but indigo is a single color while terapagos is mostly cyan and blue.
Indigo, purple. Dokutaro is indigo. so it'll be possibly a Dokutaro/Terapagos clash
>why is it called that
Because Terapagos' body is indigo, you moron.
terapagos' main body seems more like a shade of solid blue. you could associate indigo with that but indigo is usually more purplish, considering we know dokutaro definitely exists and is purple, so is the toxic chains.
>terapagos' main body seems more like a shade of solid blue
Yes, a specific shade of blue commonly known as indigo, color code #330099.
>but indigo is usually more purplish
It isn't. I don't know where you got this color chart from but it goes against every other one and it doesn't actually have what's known as indigo on it.
those seem like 2 different colors. but I'll agree terapagos' body leans more into #330099
>those seem like 2 different colors
They're the same color it's just that the one on wikipedia is on paper.
Does the purple of the chains line up with any the shades of indigo is my next question, as that'd confirm it. Otherwise I think it may just be a reference to Terapagos' blue colour (though it could be both if the chains match).
>Dokutaro is indigo
What.
Anon, if you look at the in game plush it's more pink.
You know, like how peaches are commonly depicted.
it's somewhere in-between. but it does resemble the end of the toxic chain, and the toxic chains are purple
indigo is a darker blue. It's the color of the rainbow between cyan and purple. Terapagos is indigo, not purple at all
>ho-oh is the classic phoenix reviving from the dead, but terapagos is just generic energy?
NTA but a phoenix doesn't revive others, just itself from the ashes. A philosopher's stone, a stone used to change elements into something else much like how Terapagos can change the types of pokemon, could grant immortality.
In other words, there's more of a connection to revival with Terapagos than there is Ho-oh.
damn thats a nice detail. Impressive you noticed
even Khu debunked time travel before the games released
Oic, tera imagination power.
My god, it's such an awful deus ex machinima but it technically counts. I can understand why TTgays cope so hard; it really is weak writing but it just works™.
see pic related. people also drew parallels to Made in Abyss where the crater housed a thing called the Cradle of Desire which manifested wishes.
and there's been a lot of discussion about the weirdness of paradox pokemon before but that's another topic
I have a confession to make.
When I played Scarlet, when I got to area zero, I muted the in-game music and played MiA's OST all throughout, and it was a significantly better experience.
>hadron engine
huh, would you look at that.
>we can finally make succubi real
but religion is fake and gay and hell doesnt exist so rip
does orichalcum have any possible relation to hell or demons? it would be weird for only one of the duo to have an ability reference something like this
>Demiurge allegory in my Pokemon
I wish. I don't know what GF has in mind, but I seriously don't think they'd go for the Demiurge.
they already made a judeo-christian god parallel a decade ago and have an entire game dedicated to it now. wouldn't be too far fetched to assume they're going into /x/ schizo religion territory
>a decade ago
its 2023 anon
Is "Terapagos is just a source of energy" the new cope of timetravelgays to keep rejecting the imagination/wish theory?
New?
Anon, everyone has been saying that the moment we made it to Area Zero. Are you new to story discussion threads or something? That's how the Tera orbs work.
>That's how the Tera orbs work.
I feel like most people forget that those things have to be charged up before you use them.
unless we discover they were completely under the influence of dokutaro I'll make sure they'll spend their eternity dying and resucitating as I use them as punching bags in fights
Rewatched the punch scene where there was no dust in the bg and the purple was even more apparent. Came out of nowhere from the second of the impact and gone right after. Shit looks like it was added.
yeah, I was playing docked on my 1080p TV and noticed the purple right away during the punch scene. but thought nothing of it at the time
maybe he is a zombie under the control of their 4th friend