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No, especially not for anything made in last 12 years or so. Sticks are mostly personal preference. You could make an argument for them for older arcade games where they were the target input but even then they wont "improve your fighting game skills"
no memes. keyboard IS enough
>Why yes I do sit home alone playing fighting games on a keyboard connected to my pc
Get a game console, a controller and a coworker or friend to play online with. Holy fricking weirdo/european
>coworker
>friend
this is Ganker, homosexual. normal Black folk like you don't belong here
Arcades haven't been a thing for decades, everyone actually nostalgic about them are already in hospice, you faux nerd.
What kind of shitty port doesn't have online play in its pc version?
stick/leverless is much nicer
I'm gonna leave this here just to make you mad.
Double tapping can help with link timing, pianoing can help with getting your super to come out and it's much easier to do on those than pad, but you should try them before commiting to purchasing them. My advice is go to your local and ask to play on someone's stick/hitbox or go to a Round One and try to double tap/piano on one of the fighting game machines.
>what if we made keyboard, but less keys and more expensive?
No, get a fighting pad without a stick, only keys.
You're deranged.
Deranged but objectively correct. Keys are way more accurate and have lower activation time.
You have no idea what you're talking about. "Keys" don't have a standard activation time and I don't know what the frick you're trying to say with "fighting pad with only keys"
sigh. if everyone in the fighting game community stopped being as moronic as you, it would actually be socially acceptable.
That's not a pad moron. A pad is handheld.
>smashgay
No wonder your shits all fricked up.
>he hates them for telling the truth
Every single time.
Anon please learn english or at least be one of those polite morons
These look really fricking comfy.
nta but I'm really confused at what your point is
sanwas/hori have about the same activation distance as a normal key switch 2ish mm, also crown 202s are fairly common as use keyboard switches among many other mx housing buttons like gamerfinger, punkworkshop, obsmx etc.
I would argue the most impactful latency of a controller is due to the latency of the processing board/firmware, as you can just slap a button harder to make it "faster" but you're stuck with what your board can do
They won't magically make you better but they're fun. Arcade games just feel right on a stick.
Fighting games are about fundamentals and mind games, none of these will help with those, most Evo champs in the last handful of years play with controller
Don't be a sucker, get them if you think they'll be more fun but that's it
Modern fighting games? No, the stuff that comes out nowadays have the inputs and timings pared down so you can bust them out even on a controller. Sticks are still a thing because people grew up using them in arcades and buying one for home meant a direct translation in usage.
No. People use those in tournaments only because they are not really tournaments. They are theater paid for by the stick mafias! Now you know.
if on stick already, no
if on pad, maybe?
it's really about being more comfortable and being able to play more, cause that's the only way you get better.
Imo the part I enjoy the most about stick is the buttons, using majority of inputs with just my thumb isn't comfortable for me, same with dpad, it's more work but spread over more muscles on a stick/box
>ackshully socd tricks huehue
unless you can point out very specific examples of socd required tricks you would use (ie crouching flash kick) it doesn't make any difference
Using fighting sticks has precisely zero to do with improving your ability to play fighting games.
It's there for people who were used to playing in arcades. Everyone else is fine with a pad.
it's crazy how many newbies are buying $500 hitboxes to get out of green ranks.
reminder that almost every western pro player uses a PS4 controller
bro ignore all the homosexuals in here, just get this box for under 100
it's not gonna improve your "fighting game skills" but the reality is hitting diagonal commands is infinitely easier on hitbox or keyboard than pad or stick. the additional buttons make hitting 1+2 a ton easier as well, altho controller can customize that in the settings as well to hit bumpers to do double input commands. i just found it easier hitting df or upf, etc easier with keyboard/hitbox. and doing wavu wavu and electrics is much easier than pad.
"western" pro players can't even win tournaments dude, they lose all the time. koreans/pakistans just have better fundamentals than anyone. if arslan or knee switched to hitbox they'd be unbeatable, but they don't merely out of pride, and the fact that they beat 80% of everyone anyways most tournaments (altho arslan seems to suck in t8)
Nobody cares about tekken
wow I love 15 frames of input lag
>if arslan or knee switched to hitbox they'd be unbeatable, but they don't merely out of pride, and the fact that they beat 80% of everyone anyways most
you're just making things up now, arslan switched from japanese lever to korean lever when he could have switched to hitbox
Speedrunning and fightan are the two biggest fricking dumps of attention and money. "Omg I wanna grind one game for thousands of hours like these autists who play no other games!"
Then they quit a week in cause palworld, wow etc
Technically you have more precision using your elbow
But it basically doesn't matter when it comes to fighting games which are designed around way more generous controller inputs.
pad is better
No. I bought hitbox last summer and ended up playing on a pad again. It's for those people who spent their childhood in arcades or familiar with sticks. If you're used playing on pad, just stick with it
Only if you care about having a small edge and it really depends on the game
Granblue = Pad
SF6 = Hitbox
FightingGames = stick
Fightstick is a hitbox where the buttons are tied to a lever. It's sweatier and more complicated for no reason, there are zero benefits to using a stick.
Get a hitbox
I want to eat the balltop gumballs
This would be true of it weren't for the ring finger existing.
when i do a dp motion on stick it feels like i am punching my opponent in the face
>dp motion
you got me lost there but anyway from a perspective of an outsider it seems like some major copium happening over here, if pros are using it then it clearly has to be the superior way or else they wouldn't use it. Not when the money and livelihood of theirs is on the line... Who's top 5 and are there even any controller players that pull some money on gamepads?
If the input method is precise enough it's just a matter of what the player is most used to. Different input methods also require some extra practice. The average moron here gets worse, not better overnight, by switching.
i dont know if it's common knowledge but one of the big reasons people switched is because of the instant crouch block in sfv. it wasn't like that in older games. it looks moronic tho, watch any high level matches and people look like they are teabagging all the time
That's great, bro, but where do I attach my ball collection with a Gimpbox? Sounds gay as frick.
Stick if you are planning to play at tournaments.
Pad is impossible if you are extremely nervous, which you will be. Your thumbs will feel like they weigh 10 lbs.
Hit box is a meme it's great in theory but in practice it's a demotion
Get a stick with a pedestal, so you don't have it in your lap and you can really crack on that lever and smash those buttons. Don't hold it in your lap like bum
If you are not going to compete just use your controller. Controller is the best for online and non competitive games
no. ive been playing fighting games since og king of fighters. ive played all of them. in arcades or random cabinets in pizza places or diners. all fighting games are one. there are other people like me and they all have an up on you. stick will not improve your reaction time, your memory of all the characters movesets or your knowledge on game mechanics for outsmarting your opponent. go waste your money though ill laugh at you when you show up to an arcade with that thing.
In these kinds of competitive games having a different input method means nothing but having to learn again. You're supposed to stick to the best iteration you can find of what's most comfortable for you.
I have a fightstick and honestly I only used it for a while for shmups. Because it's fun, but nothing more. Not to be competitive or anything like that.
I use a stick for shmups, I find it much easier to tap left/right in bullet-hells with a stick rather than move my thumb between those directions in an instant. I still just play fighting games with a pad, though.
Yeah, that's precisely the reason I like sticks for shmups. I ended up getting a seimitsu lever (LS-62) for this reason. Honestly it'd be nice if I could find something more compact than this behemoth I have though (Nacon Daija).
I bought one and ended up using it far more for emulating arcade games. So it's not like it went to waste, but I'm absolutely a better player on the Xbox SeX controller
> He doesn't have a spinner for Arkanoid.
Why live?
I think leverless controllers are comfortable. But I don’t believe in the advantage of them. Almost any advantage they have would be shared by keyboard aside from console compatibility. I don’t regret buying one because it has improved my experience in general.
No
You’re usually better off playing on pad or keyboard depending on what you started with.
You could buy a hit box if you’re really comfortable with a keyboard but it really isn't necessary unless you intend to go to tournaments.
I will say playing stick is very fun and usually you’ll put a lot of time into playing with it and practicing because it’s an expensive purchase but I won’t say it will make you better at FGs as a whole.
t. has all 3 and plays stick because it’s more fun playing stick
dp, tk and half circles are way easier on leverless and it's better for your hands but it takes time to accustom yourself with them.
if you just want to try it out you should play on keyboard.
I thought hitboxes were a joke compared to traditional fighting sticks, what happened? Did I miss something? I remember when they revealed something like this for Smash iirc, and everybody laughed at it.
Capcom decided they were OK as long as they had some SOCD cleaning
after that, the flood gates opened and you became a bigot for saying Hitboxes were cheating
Don’t take smash seriously. Everybody laughs at smash players.
yes you will magically get better
unless you grew up with using an arcade stick I really don't see why you would ever use a stick instead of leverless hitbox styled controller
i didn't grew up with one, it's simply the superior peripheral.
Unless you want your backdash to look like this
kbd is faster and easier on leverless tho
homie it's just a matter of practice
leverless is limited, it's not a matter of practice.
I pity the fool that never touch a Joy Stick
The objective truth is this: the larger joystick for movement means that sticks are better for precision but worse for speed. The opposite is true for gamepads. If you are starting from near 0, I would say learn with pad. You will have to grind both precision and speed out either way.
You are not taking into account how easy it is to tard wrangle a stick is compared to lifting your fingers. Leverless is trash
No, not at all. But you should use a peripheral you enjoy using.
I've been using a stick since the end of street fighter 4. Hitboxes are a lot better to use these days, but stick just feels too good. It's too much fun.
>it took arcadegays and consolegays decades to realize that the keyboard is the superior input method
No. Stick is by far the hardest controller to play on. Unless ur a nostalgic boomer dont. Keyboard is unironically the best. Its the most accurate. The only downside is 360s and 720s suck balls.
Upside is if u play tekken its by far the most enjoyable way to experience the game.
Hitbox is equal to keyboard. Its easier on the hands if u got big hands. But its money u know? U already own a keyboard.
Wouldn't you have to use thumb for S key for it to be as good as d-pad can get? Best counter strike players use thumb for S key, but not a lot of people do it. D-pad would allow for extremely quick snapping of up/down that arrowkeys would not allow for if you are using only 3 fingers (like normal human beings do)
i wish i had a friend with a hitbox or something so i could try it out for a week.
i can do motions OK on a keyboard, but there's no layout for the punches and kicks that feels reasonable
binding attack buttons onto the numpad is sorta comparable
360 is a nonissue, it's just 4267. especially if the game has some leniency with dropping directions
>binding attack buttons onto the numpad
yeah, about that
The pros who play with arcade sticks aren't using arcade sticks because they're superior. They're using arcade sticks because those pros play(ed) fighting games at the arcades. And thus it's the input device they're the most familiar with.
But then because they get good results. People delude themselves into thinking it's because of the input device. And not because they're gifted mega autists who devoted their lives to fighting games.
If it turned out the top pro ate Cinnamon Toast Crunch™ cereal every morning for breakfast. Would you think that was a prerequisite for winning tournaments too?
I know frick all about fighting games but I believe that these nerds would switch input methods in an instant if they percieved there was even 0.01% advantage like in literally every sport humanity has partaken in
A lot of them have, but not all of them. The current best player in the world (based on results) is a stick user, despite it definitely being a worse peripheral than a hitbox for this game.
https://twitter.com/JWonggg/status/1715925658902380743
Don't listen to the memes, pros everywhere have started switching exactly because there's a small advantage. People knew they were better from the moment they were invented but it took uptake from Jap players a few years ago for it to be taken seriously
But keyboards (good ones without ghosting) existed for decades before hitboxes became a thing. And people ridiculed keyboard players.
But yeah I recognize that sticks have an innate disadvantage. Gamepads and keyboards don't use sticks though.
It's simply more fun and comfortable to play on stick
pads are flimsy console garbage that feel like shit and have horrible build quality
Hitboxes are objectively the best input method, but they're only slightly better than the alternatives and take a lot longer to learn. And the more modern your game the less it matters due to relaxed input requirements.
Get the one that looks like the most fun.
>actually improve my fighting game skills
No? It might up your consistency and/or level of comfort though. If you're just getting into fighting games then a pad or keyboard is fine, imo from there you can maybe consider upgrading to a stick if you prefer a pad, or leverless if you prefer a keyboard. I also wouldn't waste money on a controller for one game you'll play casually. Lastly, it's an extremely common sight to see several pad users in top 8 at tourneys.
t. leverless guy
I went from using a controller to using a stick to using a keyboard. The only problem is that if you're trying to do 360 you're screwed
no. you only need to buy the top for playing offline at locals unless you wanna solder a ps4 pcb to your keyboard. and you only need the bottom if you are a boomer that learned on stick. stick has 0 advantages ESPECIALLY in the modern day where execution is irrelevent.
Leverless would probably wreck my left hand, my movement in FPS is shit too so I probably wouldn't be all that great on leverless either. I can play on stick all day just fine. I play worse on pad and it gives me pain in my thumbs/hands/wrists.
There's not a significant difference in performance between them for modern games so going with whatever you find more comfortable is the way to do it. I used to play mostly on stick but use controller now. Keyboard/hitbox I can see the appeal but it just makes it less fun for me
only becoming autism will(500+ hours in the game)
I have 3 sticks and went from stick to pad(ps4 pad). It was just way easier to rapidly do all 8 directions on a pad in Tekken.
Get korean lever
Am I the only one who thinks pads break easy as holy frick? Especially when fighting games it seems. Them lasting a few months is lucky.
Pads just aren't made for fighting games. Dpads and face buttons tend to be much lower quality than the sticks and shoulder buttons. I never really noticed until I had the chance to use a "pro" pad I guess for FPS stuff and the dpad was fricking horrible because they're basically not used.
My xbone pad is fine
Yes. But I noticed a bigger jump from fightstick to leverless than I did from gamepad to fightstick.
as someone who started playing fighting games in 2023, yeah go for a cheap leverles. motion inputs are way easier to learn and execute on HB than pad. keyboard is ok but kinda uncomfortable for your fingers. never played on stick, neither do i plan to, there probably is a reason all the japanese pros like Daigo or Tokido are switching to hitbox
multiple directional inputs and SODC for charging fireballs
Tekken and real fighting games have none of that 🙂
even without SOCD, 623, 236, 63214, 66 are way easier on leverless, especially if you're used to playing FPS games on PC.
Circle motions are the same on both, there's only a small edge on double circle motions but the leverless jobs on semi-circles and complex inputs.
Thank god for dix and party games eh?
pressing buttons is way more accurate and less likely to cause misinputs than wiggling around your thumb
what do you want?
yeah pressing them, not lifting them 🙂
It does all those well, unless you’re using it for the first time and have no idea how to use it, but that’s the same for stick if you don’t use it. I do half circles all the time with leverless.
i can't, shit sucks for half and full circles, talking about real fighting games with no shortcuts for children, talking about real street fighter, talking about third strike.
More specifically kara-karakusa and giga bomb are a pain the ass and they are so simple to do on a stick it's not even funny. Leverless fricking sucks for fighting games.
I haven’t tried third strike after I’ve gotten one but I might sometime. Works great for xrd though.
>Xturd
ignored
depends on what you dislike about your current input device
keyboard leverless is really nice if you are used to keyboard but want a bit more "space" but keyboard is perfectly fine
if you are on a controller and you don't like d-pad then yeah
never get a stick, no reason unless you are already used to a stick from playing in arcades, its objectively worse in every way and always has been.
Hitbox and sticks are cheaper in the long run since they are build to last unlike pads. Also they are customizable. Buttons are like 5 bux each. Not a bad investment if you are into fighters
i swear fightcade Black folk are the most annoying shitters in the FGC
Good luck pulling a 360 in a real game 🙂
No, just like buying a $200 wireless 8k mouse with a dongle together with a $300+ custom mechanical keyboard won't turn you into a FPS god.
yes please just get a leverless if you enjoy fighting games at all, you won't regret it. they are like 50 bucks now you have no excuse. UNLESS you are already a pad player and happy with that.
ignore the BR/SEA apes that flock to fightan threads like flies to shit. they are for some reason obsessed with how poor and how shit they are and never want more from life than playing on the laptop their entire school shares. literal gutter people.
don't waste your time with an arcade stick though, it's outdated shit for old men. no reason to use it if you aren't already grandfathered in. slapping arcade buttons is fun, and you can use it for shit like MAME, but if we are talking strictly vs fighting here.
This man has sexual intercourse with dogs and various other lower animals.
>sister is a casual fighting game observer
>we attend ComboBreaker last year
>for whatever reason she buys a Hitbox at the venue
>we're going back this time, both as competitors in both SF6 and Tekken 8
>been looking to buy a stick in the coming weeks and practice because I hate dualshocks and using an Xbox controller wears on my thumb
Got to use the Hitbox over the holidays and it's nice to use, but I still prefer stick; the irony being I'm a Guile player right now in 6 and I mostly use charge characters in other fighters too so you'd think I'd naturally go the leverless route. The one I'm looking to get is pic related.
Controller to stick, yes probably
Stick to hitbox, no unless you're a very advanced player