Give one case against cross-gen evolutions.

Give one case against cross-gen evolutions.

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Gen 4's are abortion that in most cases look worse than the previous evo or completely disregard the line's theme.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Leafeon, Glaceon, Tangrowth, Porygon-Z, Roserade, Yanmega, Gliscor, Weavile, Gallade, and Froslass are good.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >some of the worst looking eeveelutions
        >gets bigger and dumber
        >this one is ok
        >legit looks worse AND less detailed than roselia
        >ok
        >ok
        >looks worse than sneasel and it's lazy as shit, just add more feathers and a moronic egyptian theme
        >the fricking hips
        >looks nothing like snorunt and completely disregards its theme

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >looks nothing like Snorunt and completely disregards its theme
          You mean snow yokai? Because Snorunt is a Yukinko/Zashiki-Warashi and Froslass is a Yuki-onna

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >Eeveelutions
          I'd say least good instead of worst, but okay.
          >Tangrowth
          I'll give you that he's just bigger and dumber but I don't see what else you could have done with Tangela.
          >Roserade
          More detail doesn't automatically make something better. Just disagree with you that it looks worse.
          >Weavile
          My least favourite of the bunch so I'm not going to bother defending it.
          >Gallade
          The hips never bothered me but I guess they will now.
          >Froslass
          Like the other reply said, it follows the design well, better than Glalie anyway.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >I'll give you that he's just bigger and dumber but I don't see what else you could have done with Tangela.
            I'm not one of the people who think all the beta mons were great, but I did prefer the older concept for a Tangela evolution.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              this art looks waay more anime friendly than tangrowth. I love the smile like it just tripped some weeb in the hallway

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      fobp

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Steelix is a far shittier design than any crossgen evolution from gen 4.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        An incredibly homosexual take.
        I was not aware the Lord of the homosexuals had left the Dildo Throne to come posting here.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          You format your post like a moron and homos live rent free in your head.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >be me, this anon
            >things i'm not used to disgust me
            >like original thoughts and veganas
            >be very gay
            the puzzle pieces come together

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Still better than everything from gen 7 and 8.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Gen 4's are based and include my top 2 favorite pokemon. Get some taste.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      True. What a disgrace. But other gens did it right.

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I don't like them.

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Can't think of any

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Most of the designs are good
    >Megas are dead so this is the next best thing, or it's arguably better than megas
    >Much better than introducing some regional variant and giving them evos and leaving the original to collect even more dust
    >The sense of progression is stronger when your team evolves. This is more personal but I hardly ever use single stage mons for this reason.
    Only thing I can think of is that it gives us fewer new mons, but I don't really think that's even a bad thing
    t. still not done with the living dex

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I'd argue that Cross-Gens are simply better than Megas, they can provide an evolutionary line with that extra evolution to bring it up to par plus they don't have to be limited to the 100BST increase of Megas meaning you can have something like Scizor or Electivire where the change is more of a pivot and Yanmega and Togekiss where you have far larger BST increases.

      That being said I wouldn't mind seeing a few megas repurposed into natural evolutions even if the design has to be changed somewhat as long as it keeps the core concepts;
      > Mega Kangaskhan
      > Mega Medicham
      > Mega Banette
      > Mega Steelix
      > Mega Sableye
      > Mega Audino

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Togekiss is great tho
      Look at the size of the fluffy lad

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        It's a great hugger.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Lady. That Togekiss is female

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Its not the worst of the worst but
        >becomes a massive sphere
        >also becomes a plane?
        thematically harkening back to Togepi's egg motif becoming more egg shaped and naturally evolving to become more aerodynamic but these two things clash extremely into a awkward flying blob... also it's leg are dumb

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >More new Pokemon gives us fewer new Pokemon.
      Huh?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        that does read a little weird. I just meant that we'd get fewer entirely new pokemon lines if most of the dex focuses on crossgens for old ones.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Oh cross gen evos have always been better than megas.
      I remember being really sad when megas were introduced for any pokemon line that wasn't complete like say banette's, because now instead of having a third evo to that line, we are forever stuck at 2 with a redesign that is virtually unobtainable now, that could've worked fine as a normal third evolution with some simple design changes.
      Now that cross gen is apparently back in the menu in gen 8, I have hope for some of my favorite underappreciated mons like magcargo or drifblim. Even if they give them the zigzagoon treatment I'd be fine with that.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      What i hate is split evolutions. Specially regional split ones.
      Galar got the most problematic ones, with Meowth, Mr. Mime, and Linoone line.

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Rhyperior, Magmortar, and Electivire are ugly as frick and ruined their entire line.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >a handful were ugly so we gotta toss the entire concept out

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Why should a violent monster be a pretty boy? Frick the ugly criticism, Magmortar is a chad.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >chad
        He got Black person lips tho

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Just don't use them? You can now use eviolite Rhydon, Electabuzz and Magmar.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        All terrible, especially Rhydon.
        Evolve them.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Their prevos were just as ugly moron. Magmar even uglier in fact.

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Where's Basculegion?
    >inb4 regional evo
    White Stripe Basculin is only an alternate form, not a regional form, as confirmed by Home.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Even if it isn't explicitly a "Hisuian Basculin" it was still introduced in Gen 8 just like Basculegion. And since the Basculins from Gen 5 aren't in the game and can't evolve either, no part of the line is technically cross-gen.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        they better retcon this in SV really

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Agreed. Basculin deserved an evo and it finally could have had one in Basculegion. It's stupid.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        What the frick were they thinking?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          the idea was probably that white basculin eventually deviated into the other two but there really wasn't much of a reason they couldn't just make it another east/west split the same way they did with shellos

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I hate that they're not faster or anything, the design is fine but they like could at least give them 100-120 speed and swift swim as a hidden ability but its like they don't give a shit anymore

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Shills have been trying to push that regionals are new pokemon and thus that doesn't count as a cross-gen evolution. It probably came from a poketuber.

      They get really autistic about it.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Well, my VC Qwilfish can't evolve in Legends whereas my Ursaring could. You sound extremely butthurt

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Introduce regional variant
        >give it a new evo
        >original pokemon literally gets nothing from this
        The singular point of cross-gen evolutions doesn't exist for regional evos

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Rhyperior

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I wanted quick feet ursaluna

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I can't give ONE case against cross-geb evolutions because each of them felt vastly different from another. For example, I hate Kingdra, Lickilicky, Rhyperior, Magmortar, Ambipom, and Probopass because they were designed to be so much uglier than their preevo for no fricking reason at all. But on the other hand, I love Bellossom, Porygon2, Steelix, Eeveelutions, Togekiss, Gallade, Dusknoir, and all the PLA evos because they are cool.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      How can you hate probopass? The mini noses are fricking awesome and the magnet iron beard is just such a cool detail, it even has a nice hat like some moai did so it's a direct evolution on the noaepass concept

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I hate israelites.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Thanks for answering that for me

          How can you hate probopass? The mini noses are fricking awesome and the magnet iron beard is just such a cool detail, it even has a nice hat like some moai did so it's a direct evolution on the noaepass concept

          That and when you compare Probopass (which probably designed around the nose meme and the party nose-glasses joke) with Nosepass (based on the Easter Island moai) and put them side-by-side in a blind test, 9 out of 10 people would choose Nosepass

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          But probopass is cool

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        anon he likes sneasler, don't bother

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Its colour proportions and how the "beard" look like are all ugly.
        The mini nosrs make the whole design look clouded and confused.
        Good example of cool isea, but terrible execution

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    who the frick hates probopass? he’s adorably goofy and silly. not every Pokémon has to be “LE EPIN DARGON” or “sexy furry Pokémon”

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >adorably goofy and silly
      Say that again after the Alpha Probopass in PLA Hyper Beamed you for no fricking reason

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Gen 4's are so bad I forgot most of them existed

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Sylveon

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    1. sub-optimal way to buff existing pokemon, since it's basically just making a new one and telling the old one's fanbase to use the new design
    2. some of the ones we have just look bad or feel pointless even in complete isolation
    That said I'm, in general, somewhat iffy on how evolution works as a game mechanic, because I was introduced to this series through the anime and Stadium, the former of which intentionally keeping plenty of the main characters' team members NFE, and the latter of which designing rental sets around having to trade-off good moves for good stats. I wish there was a better solution for wanting to use Rhydon or Misdreavus than "use this item that'll get hit with knock off because someone thought it was a good idea to buff that move to have monkey strength"

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Scizor makes no sense

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It's why it's good tho

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It does. Scyther is about slashing. Scisor is about cutting, and Kleavor is about chopping.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        scizor does still look like shit though

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Is there some specific reason why only even number games get crossgens?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      They don’t.

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    My issue with them is lore wise (autistic I know)

    Look like you're telling me no one was treating their Chansey or Golbat nice enough for an evolution until Gen 2 came along?

    Lickitung has had access to Rollout since Gen 2 but it just doesn't evolve until Gen 4?

    Roselia are abundant in Gen 3 but you're telling me no one in Hoenn ever stumbled across a baby Budew or a fully grown Roserade in the wild?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      They exist, you just don't see them

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Everyone had shoes in gen1 and 2 but nobody decided to run in them until gen 3?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Not all shoes are suitable for running. That's why you can't do it right away in gen 3.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retroactive_continuity#:~:text=Retroactive%20continuity%2C%20or%20retcon%20for,recontextualizes%20or%20breaks%20continuity%20with

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I understand where you're comiong from, but that applies to almost every mechanic added to the games since gen 1.
      For example pokemon having no gender except nidoran in gen 1.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I get where you're coming from but after gen 2 they dropped the whole "wow look at all these new discoveries!" angle and it became "It's just new to you bro."

      Which is for the best since gen 2 has historic ties to certain Pokemon while also having characters act as if they just suddenly stumbled onto 100 new species out of no where.

  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I hate Rhyperior, Magmortar, Electivire, and Ambipom

    Gliscor, Mismagius, Dusknoir, and Magnezone are ok designs but they look too different from the rest of their line imo

    The rest are all good

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Gliscor is too different
      Looks almost the same as gligar

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Electivire bad
      >Lickilicky good
      Holy shit taste

  18. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    No idea why Audino doesn't have its Mega as an evolution whereas Chansey does.

  19. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The real question is, what's the point of cross-gen babies, especially the incense ones? There are like 2 that actually have useful moves from their baby forms, the rest are just dex filler with no practical reason to exist

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Merchandising.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Which is also the main point of the entire serirs.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Some of them are good, like Tyrogue or Budew before first gym. It took a good while for them to make sense though.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        What game lets you have Tyrogue before the first gym?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          No I mean him as a concept of giving you three potential pokemon.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Tyrogue is cool, and I like the gen 2 babies in general, nice designs and they don't take any extra effort to obtain, it's mostly the incense ones I think are dumb, having to go out of your way to breed a total shitmon that doesn't even make the evolved pokemon any better off for going through that stage in 90% of cases

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Igglybuff, Pichu, and Cleffa are annoying and only serve to make breeding more annoying due tot heir evolution requirements. At least Magby, Smoochum, and Elekid just evolve via level.
          Togepi gets a pass because you initially get it as an egg, but Togetic still isn't great.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Gen 2 is the worst because you only get the babies after the evolution is found

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      What's the point of any pokemon?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      You get access to a certain evolutionary line early on such as Roselia and Electabuzz that would otherwise be too powerful that early.
      They are also marketable.

      What game lets you have Tyrogue before the first gym?

      SWSH.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >a certain evolutionary line early on such as Roselia and Electabuzz
        >roselia
        >level 13 pre gym 3 mon in its debut title
        Yeah, super justified baby. Nevermind gardenia uses roserade as her ace in the second gym.
        Budew was completely pointless
        >I totally need a grass pokemon at the start of the game
        shit.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          You don't get Roselia until Verdanturf and it's m7ch lower than Gym 3. Cope.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >until Verdanturf
            You get it right before the third gym at level 13 yes.
            Completely pointless, same as azurill/cleffa/igglybuff/pichu, what's the point of babies of low level pokemon?

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              And if you had one since the start of the game it would be higher level and you would have got to use it hours before as a Budew. Complete non issue,

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Budew is cool

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >You get access to a certain evolutionary line early on such as Roselia and Electabuzz that would otherwise be too powerful that early.

        While I agree that babymon are good for this purpose, they clearly didn't balance out the evo methods for this at all. In the later gens you can easily evolve your happiness evo babies before the first gym, while stuff like magby and elekid evolve way too late at level 30. From level 20-30 they completely fall off ingame

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      they could've been used as a cool way to give you access to certain types, and maybe even rewarded you with a powerful pokemon if you have the patience to train it in the earlygame. But they don't really use them like that at all, so

      Merchandising.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      there's a mechanic where if you catch a wild baby pokemon it'll have 3 perfect IVs. Stuff like this could be a cool way to incentivize getting them. Maybe extend that 3 perfect IVs to bred babies as well, maybe even let baby pokemon learn egg moves via level up. They can make them work they just choose not to.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        It wouldn't surprise me if wild babies having 3 perfect IVs wasn't an accident.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Gen 2 was supposed to be the end of Pokémon franchise so they pulled out every evolution they come into mind, but GBC had limited storage.

      >Gen 4 also felt like the "end". Sinnoh being the last region based on Japan so they AGAIN "completed" every previous Pokémon they thought needed an evolution, making Gen V a total reset of the franchise.

  20. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    What
    This is a sick idea that just doesn't get executed well often
    Why do we suddenly hate scizor, eeveelutions, porygon-z, and weavile

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >we

  21. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I'm a fan. Sure there are some duds that really don't need to exist, but for the most part these additions are all pretty solid. Or at least look cool.
    Gives me hope for cool fakemon I've seen posted around here. That maybe GF will do something like them.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >obstagoon 2

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Hello! Homer Simpson speaking.
        > ... uhuh
        > mhm...
        > Ah! Do they really?
        > aha... well..
        > That's all very interesting Mr. Masuda, but why would you put bugs in someone's anus cavity?
        > ... uhuh
        > hm!
        > Well I'd never...
        > ...
        > Based on what?
        > .. wow!
        > Alright then, I have to go pickup Lisa from practice, but the next time I go to the toilet and take a huge stinky dump I'll take a photo of the result and email it to you so you have a reference for how good your designs are.

  22. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I hate evolutions exclusive to regional variants. The concept makes sense but the whole regional variant thing will just get more and more out of hand over time.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      No reason they can't just add an "Alolan Incense" item or whatever that makes your Raticate lay Alolan Rattata eggs when held. Or regional forms could be a great reason to bring back the safari zone.

  23. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I cropped out the designs that were good or at least OK.
    The odds of getting an okay or better evo for your favorite line are solid, but it's risky because the line could be ruined by one of the pic-rel abominations.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >rhyperior is the one that ruined the line
      Rhydon is shit

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I like Magnezone, but the rest I agree with.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      why couldn't Rhyperior looked like this or something?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Anything that looks like Rhydon is doomed to be shit.
        Being different is what make Rhyperior supreme.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >t. obese construction worker
          pokemon should not have jobs

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            That's what you see.
            I only see a walking mountain.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Do mountains normally have random ugly orange bits stuck on them?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Mountains are composed of multitudes of different rocks, so some orange bits on a brown one isn't Farfetch'd.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >pokemon should not have interesting themes or concepts

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              They can't have it if it's tied to humans. There's the nuance.
              (It's ironic)

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            That's what you see.
            I only see a walking mountain.

            They can't have it if it's tied to humans. There's the nuance.
            (It's ironic)

            I've always seen Rhyperior as a pharaoh

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Maybe people wouldn't be as harsh as they could if Rhyperior was a Diancie to Rhydon's Carbink: A Mythical who's known to be a rare mutation of a normal species who acts as a ruler to them. Being a Pharaoh, an Emperor, a King, a Tribe Chief, an Elder, a God, a Titan, i don't care.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Rhydon already feels so complete that I think an evolution in general was a mistake. A preevo to diversify variety in early caves/sections of Mt Coronet would have been a better choice.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                With my idea, Rhyperior wouldn't be an "Evolution" since it'll be an unrelated Mythical that happens to be a mutation of Rhydon.
                Therefore a pre-evo could happen while keeping it.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Rhydon already feels so complete that I think an evolution in general was a mistake. A preevo to diversify variety in early caves/sections of Mt Coronet would have been a better choice.

                I just hate that they can't get megas cause both aren't even decent competetively despite 3 stage evolution and electivire even loses speed too

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Great design

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      magnezone is cool, the rest I agree

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I love Magnezone and Probopass is alright but I agree with the rest. Ambipom especially is an abomination against god.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I dislike Rhyperior but Rhydon already sucks ass. Give me a branching evo that doesn't ruin Rhyhorn.
      Also Magnezone is excellent.

  24. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I don't like that Politoed is green. Looks better with the rest of the line's color.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      To piggyback off of this, Bellossom is also better with Oddish colors.

  25. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    i cant

  26. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Give one case against cross-gen evolutions.
    It undervalues the new mon, instead of a cool new species its just an add on to a earlier mon. Also, cross gen evolutions makes the region feel like an extension of an earlier region.

  27. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Arguments in support of Cross-Gen-Evos: CGE

    ● ONE
    ■ Breathes new life into old Pokémon which are dead both competitively, and in singleplayer too (due to being locked behind post-game for example).

    ● TWO
    ■ Uses the older, and therefore better, design as a base for the new Pokémon.

    ● THREE
    ■ Reminds us of the theme of Pokemon, mutation and evolution, and strengthens continuation of the Pokemon World across generations

    ● FOUR
    ■.Kanto IS the series. Charizard, Pikachu, Ash, the filling of the Pokedex, the Elite Four and Champion, they are never ever going away. You can never go wrong with pandering to Kanto. Everything else pales in comparison. It is why the series works. It is the skeleton AND the meat.

  28. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Every single crossgen evo except for Tranneon is based

  29. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know if it was because we were in an ancient setting or if there was some different design philosophy for this game but seeing them all lined up I really appreciate the earthy tones they used for the Legends crossgens. The Gen 2 ones especially look like plastic toys.

  30. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Only the gen 2 evolutions look good. There were afew good ones in gen 4. But most were shit

  31. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Just waiting for them to make more.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      do people actually want a dunsparce evo or is it a meme? Who gives a frick about dunsparce?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        its been this unfinish larval shitmon for over 20 years people just wanna see it grow into some powerful serpent or something anything. Dunsparce is often overtly rare whenever it get in a game which it seldom does and for getting it your rewarded with some slow pure normal type that at best does some mediocre parahacks. Also frick you I car about Dunsparce it's cute.

  32. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    damn i never realized how tasteful gen 2 cross evos were even as azoomie who grew up with gen 4 most of the cross evos look like utter shit

  33. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Gen 2 did it best. Sylveon is pretty good. LA did alright (Ursaluna looks dumb with the mud). Gen 4 designs just look off; same goes for the “regular” additions in that gen.

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