Not really. Those numbers aren't even relevant since Apple ONLY sales pre-builts. You can't build an Apple at home, and they don't upgrade their shit, either.
So, a Windows gamer will drop $1100 on a new GPU and drop it into their existing PC. An Apple user (I can't even call them gamers, honestly) will just buy a new Apple.
Why the frick would you buy a PC in lockdown?
Most people I know took up hobbies like baking, remember how sourdough bread became this huge thing?
Who is like "I'm gonna be stuck at home for months, better turn myself into a vegetable by gaming 24/7"
>why would you buy tool for indoor activity during an event where you'll spend a lot of time indoor?
also, there are plenty of hobby that can be done on a PC beyond video games
They were buying them so their children could all have a computer for online classes, duh.
Also so that they themselves could have a computer to use for zoom meetings.
Remember when you had he ONE family computer? Doesn't exactly work when you have to attend classes online, and your mom or dad needs it for a meeting.
You work remotely - you need a pc/laptop, you communicate with people remotely - you need a pc/laptop. Your attempts in le cooking new hobby miserably failed - might as well play some games
Not in any of my stores. It used to save you anywhere between 200-500 euros. Now it might shave off 50€ if you're lucky. I'd rather just pay the extra 50 and have the thing ready on delivery. The other good reason to build PCs yourself was to have warranty on the individual parts, but prebuilts now include that as well.
Yes, it was challenging learning about cpu/gpu combinations, as well as ram speeds and how the different parts interact. It was also tough wiring up my 10 rgb fans with 2 wires coming from each fan, as well as learning how the fricking hub systems combine. Installing windows and sidestepping the Microsoft account that’s mandatory unless you enter a special command at startup was another issue. I also had horizontal lines in my OLED monitor which would have normally indicated a ram issue be resolved with and update that required a special cord from the box because it doesn’t have Wi-Fi capability.
The thing is, unless I were watching jaysywocents videos and others getting ready for my PC build I would have never know there was a special frick you command when initializing my PC. People who undertake this hobby forget how fricking stupid almost every single human being alive is. Dealing with computers is for intelligent and belligerent people that won’t accept things not working so we fix it ourselves. I suffer around my “friends” who would probably stare a hole right though me if I ever revealed that I know more than they do.
Maybe you're moronic, as you didn't build my PC, I did. It's not easy to start from scratch and it's intimidating and everything is easy to understand inn reverse once you already know it.
You absolutely do not need to know any of that, you can plug random top parts and see if theres a big flashing warning say ERRR INCOMPATIABLE YOU'RE TRYING TO USE AMD WITH AN INTEL MOTHERBOARD
What are you even talking about? You do need to know the things I mentioned, or else you just got lucky in your parts working together. In fact, I forgot about that other crucial need to know complication, the lga/am4/5 compatibility. Computers aren’t for normies and this further proves my point.
it isn't, but the average person is moronic.
I actually charge people to build their PCs and I always insist on building it in their homes in front of them so they can realize how fricking easy it is, and they always say shit like >wow anon I can't believe you are able to do that. I couldn't have done it.
so at this point, I've lost hope in humanity
Yeah, it is. You just know how to do it already like I do. You’re forgetting all of the time spent learning in the first place. Obviously it’s not hard to plug the parts in.
I’ve seen experienced pc builders struggle on their fifth or sixth build, most of the time its not their fault but some moronic shit with firmware and bios settings. Even if you are able to boot it up, some unexpected ram issue will frick you over. Its too unpredictable compared to >it just werks
Only the heatsink. I always get cut up putting that thing on. Everything else snaps in place or screws in place pretty simply and even the case cables nowedays are color coded so it makes it easier to go into mobo.
Assembling a good computer(with choice of components that makes sense to avoid bottlenecks and to have a good price to performance ratio and longevity) without any frickups and with everything tuned to the max is not easy.
After I heard horror stories of people having the audacity to touch their PC parts while standing on carpet and static shocking their $1000+ component to death I just said frick it and pay an extra 50 bucks to get it done for me.
No, but the most expensive parts are the most prone to fricking up catastrophically. oopsie woopsie your GPU and bend a connector and you're fricked, that's $800 or more right out the window. CPU has to be placed in the right orientation.
Again, this is not hard stuff, but it can be very nerve wracking so I get it.
Also, building your own PC you have to trust yourself to pick the right parts. Pick a bad PSU and it is a very real possibility your rig (and house) go kaboom. prebuilts usually suffer that as well though.
hardest part for me was making sure mobo stands were screwed in right and then being paranoid of not using too much force while putting in ram and other connectors
Boomers are too lazy to do an honest attempt at doing it. They will say "its too complicated" as an excuse.
Zoomers are too dumb for that, they can't go beyond mobile gaming and app design. To them even basic windows menu is a challenge.They got too used to phones which are made to be able to be operated by toddlers.
Supply and demand. Crypto mining jacked up the prices and enabled these companies to gauge PC players. Now changes to how crypto is mined plus the market fluctuating has meant GPUs just arent as popular for that and now Nvidia’s had to reduce prices ever so slightly because people just arent buying this shit. This is how the market is supposed to work. They’ll have to adjust their prices if consumers arent happy with the current prices. Not like PC parts are something people need like food, electricity, gas etc.
PC is for excel and powerpoint you jobless moron. That just meant less new business opening and companies postponing to replace their equipments due to slow economy.
Cheers. I waited out the 3080 bullshit with scalpers and instead got scalped by nvidia with my 4090 purchase. It’s okay though since I wasn’t upgrading, I just didn’t have a PC in the first place. They will have to slow down releases and prices with the mining collapse I think.
Yeah, I know. I couldn’t get a PS5 and my “frick you” to Sony was building a PC. My choice was getting scalped by resellers with the 3080/3090 or getting scalped by nvidia with the 40xx series, so I chose the latter. I have the money, so it didn’t hurt that much financially, but it always hurts a little being made a fool.
Yeah, I know. I couldn’t get a PS5 and my “frick you” to Sony was building a PC. My choice was getting scalped by resellers with the 3080/3090 or getting scalped by nvidia with the 40xx series, so I chose the latter. I have the money, so it didn’t hurt that much financially, but it always hurts a little being made a fool.
Why dont you buy amd if you dont care about the AI meme?
not either of those anons, but I had an AMD card before and had some very bad experiences with drivers constantly. Meanwhile, with Nvidia I've only had one bad experience with drivers after an update, and doing a rollback on the drivers fixed it. I'm not going back to AMD for a while
And this would've backfired catastrophically, if it weren't for the fact:
1 - AMD doesn't care about GPUs. They are more than happy to lower their prices by 20% compared to the competition and call it a day. They make 20x more money selling servers.
2 - Sudden AI boom, Nvidia can now devote 90% of its production to AI cards and ignore the consumer market.
Their plan was to sell Lovelace for stupid high prices, and in their mind people would naturally flock to their 3000 cards and clear their massive inventory of old-gen products in 6 months. This didn't happen, consumers just stopped buying entirely instead.
If a new market (AI) didn't suddenly show up, Nvidia would've been FRICKED by now. They are so lucky, it's insane. For the first time in half a decade, AMD is finally competitive/better (RDNA2 vs. Ampere)... aaand mining boom happens, it doesn't matter if their cards are worse because everything sells immediately anyway. Ethereum mining dies, massive inventory of unsold cards... aaand AI boom happens, they can stall price/performance for an entire year without repercussions.
Oh, and COVID helped them as well of course. Due to COVID, the launch of true next-gen titles was postponed by ~12-18 months: the sudden death of 8-10GB cards we're seeing now should've happened a year ago.
4090, though still very expensive for what it is, is the only device that offered a true generational leap. If you had the money for it, and enjoy it, it's fine. There's no guarantee things get cheaper, especially as sales for hardware actually INCREASE over time, especially with AI being pushed so hard, nvidia has absolutely no reason to decrease prices, so I think that 4090 may serve you for the next decade. I got a 4070 and fully intend to ride it for the next 6-7 years, I think vram expectations will cap around 12gb due to the 16gb shared pools of ps5/xbone x, and that shouldn't (realistically) happen for another 2~ years yet.
I went with the 27” lg 240hz OLED so I would be able to keep better performance before having to upgrade. I’m not hard off but I like to keep as much of my money from the hands of these scrubs as I can. I am a renowned cheapskate with certain things, but I still wear a Rolex and have a $500,000 home that I own. I also cook my own food and don’t eat out because I’m not giving my gaming money to the premade israelite.
>4090 for the next decade >4070 for the next six years
That's a looong time, it's not going to happen unless the GPU market stagnates like the CPU market stagnated from 2011 to 2017. And I doubt that's going to happen: AI or not, there are currently three companies competing in the same space. Intel was literally left alone in the x86 CPU market.
I've been using my 980 for near a decade. and my 1070 is still going PLENTY strong, able to play pretty much anything I throw at it as long as I'm realistic about it.
>The PC market is about to eat shit if Microsoft moves forward in their big "cloud-only, frick all competitors" plan.
50% of murricans who own a pc/laptop are macgays, they'll be fine.
Linux has decades of support, and so many different GUI's to cater to all levels of PC literacy, wants, and needs. Nothing better is gonna show up, certainly not overnight. The silver lining of Linux is superior amd drivers, so there's that benefit if all you care about is gaming.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I know friend
I hope something even better is made however
and it *could* happen
I feel like people are getting fed up with the limited options and increasing restrictions of most well know OS's
and so *maybe* something will be born from the increasing demand for something better.
maybe... > if all you care about is gaming.
I like being able to do anything I want. Arch linux looks nice, wine too >multi OS/duel boot?
possibly
I might choose more than one, if I move from wangblows
truth be told, i'm used to windows, and like it, but HATE microsoft with a passion
it's a conflicted existence but one day I might jump ship
>lenovo >hp >dell >apple >acer
looks like a decrease in business pc sales during a recession. nothing about that chart specifies consumer and the first budget businesses cut is upgrading hardware.
>7950x3d
the golden boy for gaming this gen is the 7800x3d, it has much lower latency because the design is simplified compared to the R9 series, and that means much better performance. Not too bad from a productivity standpoint too, but there's obviously no competing with moar cores.
I built my own PC and so do most people into PC gaming, not buying junk from OEMs like that. That being said I haven't needed to upgrade since 2016 due to crippled console generation. Also RSI and inflation in Canada means I probably won't be buying a new one until we get good AI workload cards and they aren't up bid by cryptohomosexuals.
PC Gaming is and has always being a meme, no one is really spending 1000s of dollar more just to play games on "muh 4k and 120 fps" other than literally neckbeards, consoles will always be the prefered gaming choise for literally most people, specially when PC hardware keeps getting worse and more expensive...
Nobody that can afford it or knows better is enjoying 30fps on a console. My shoes are $500, my watch is $15,000, my house is…never mind. Your post is cope.
I can do so many things on my PC other than game, and I get 144 frames per second >PC hardware keeps getting worse
false >more expensive
you can buy a 1080ti for a few hundred dollars if you search around
you don't need to buy "the latest thing" in order to assemble a PC
in fact, that's a great thing about PC's
you can build a complete PC for less than than $500 *if you don't need to play the newest games but still want to make games or mods >tl;dr
what you want determines the price
and the technology is getting better, not worse, but not all parts are created equal
>doesn't know what a "flex" is >can't be asked to read >brags about using consoles >has no idea what he's talking about yet still talks down to others
NGMI
not here or in life
maybe you're not the same anon I was first chatting with then
anyways it's weird you chose not to read my post yet still commented on it and acted wienery about the fact you didn't read any of it
Why? I feel fine, haven't upgraded since 2015 and see no reason to. Graphics just make games worse, linear, they lose fidelity overall. Games have peaked, the only people left to appeal to are morons that watch streams and don't wanna dish out money and VR gays that wanna experience some gimmick they can brag about and forget.
>zoomers think computers are scary >so big and advanced, all those options >do you have any idea how much energy they use?? >all i need is my phone that can be controlled with a thumb :^) >will get a console if they need vidya power
Pc sucks now, we are not even deep into this gen yet, a lot of games are old gen, and they shit themselves with every new release unless you spend at least 1200$ or more.
Most of what you can play there without problems you can do it in a shitty laptop with integrated graphics.
It's unironically over, PS5 pro will be the last final stab.
>everyone upgraded during the covid lockdowns so they have decently modern hardware already >rx 7000 and rtx 4000 gpu generations are boring flops so theres little interest in upgrading >economy not doing so well >sales go down
whoda thunk....
inflation due to lockdowns and due to the fact that we have been printing more money than we can back for the demand of physical products and assets
money is worth less
and so now your purchasing power has decreased per dollar.
>every exclusive they had >every
absolutism sucks
but I can emulate just about any game on PC, and I can do so much more with my PC than any console would allow
>claims there's no exclusives on PC
care to back that up?
proof? I mean I know you're wrong, so do you and everyone else in this thread, but go on., prove your statement true. the burden of proof is on you, anon.
>I CHALLENGE YOU TO A DUEL
shut the frick up you autistic homosexual. It was hyperbole, there is actually a game PC gets that isn't on console but I wouldn't really count early access shit like Project Zomboid personally. PC has nothing
11 months ago
Anonymous
Go back playing on Xbox I guess
11 months ago
Anonymous
no
I asked you to provide proof of your claim that PC has no exclusive >It was hyperbole
yet you presented it as truth
no intention of comedy in your post
change that next time
give a "tell" in your humor otherwise we're probably going to treat you like a fool >goes back to lying >there is actually a game PC gets that isn't on console >one game
anon, there are countless games which are exclusive to PC
lying doesn't work here without a high degree of intelligence
11 months ago
Anonymous
PC has no gaems
11 months ago
Anonymous
you're not funny and you're basically just lying over and over
so what's the point of being "hyperbolic"?
it doesn't even read as hyperbole
it's just sad anon
if you want attention, just chat
no need to lye to interact here
11 months ago
Anonymous
Honestly I just love pissing off PC vegans
11 months ago
Anonymous
>PC vegans >implying
you need to get your facts straight before making statements
that would be funny, but I like some consoles too, it's just PC dominates all of them
1. this is just the standard disclaimer wikipedia puts before every category list because there may be inaccuracies.
2. this isn't even the full list, because it's WINDOWS only games, so games that also work on mac/linux are not included here. In reality, there are even more PC-exclusive games than shown here.
What's your next cope?
Uhh no it's the exact opposite. The new sony console has zero exclusives beside a shitty port and every "console" exclusive is just "wait 4 months and it will be on pc at half the price".
Only game worth upgrading for is starfield and there's good arguments for waiting for patches and mods anyway so may as well wait a bit in these economically tough times.
Actually is this only pre builts? Could be more people opting to build themselves especially now that actually getting GPUs is a lot more viable
>delusional homosexuals in multibillion corporations are suffering because they sell overpriced shit with proprietary elements and components
OH NO NO NO COMMUNIST BROS OUR israelite MASTERS ARE LOSING MONEY THE EVIL GOYIM ARE BUILDING COMPUTERS FOR THEMSELVES
console gamers are literal animals and should all be treated as such, but let's not pretend the average PC gamer, a turd world shitskin that plays exclusively f2p trash on a shitty 15 year old craptop, is much better
>prebuilts
I haven't bought a computer since like 1998, every few years I just buy new parts and swap them out as needed. 2 times needed a new case because video cards are enormous but that's it
It‘s so expensive at this point that it’s starting to become a meme, especially with AAA releases not being any more impressive than they were a decade ago yet also being incredibly demanding. I‘m fine with my deck
in the past >wow cool a new GPU is out and it costs the same as my old one but is 100% faster! I'll buy!
now >wow a new GPU is out and it costs .. double and it is ... 15% faster. I think I'll /just wait/
>c**ts found an excuse with covid to keep the prices unreasonable >building PCs is cheaper than getting a complete system >game requirements are fairly stale these years, on a plateau (good for us) >most people use only the internet which doesn't have requirements >a trillion small, indie games where you can spend 100s of hours
Good, let the megacorpos feel the heat.
>Hardware prices artificially inflated >More people go to prebuild >Artificially inflate prices create artificial scarcity for prebuild.
What is the next move israelites?
I think it's time for PC to drop the hardware market and become third party for consoles and phones. If they are lucky Microsoft will buy them and force them to make exclusives for the next Xbox
>everything I personally care about runs on my Steam Deck fine, albeit at lower settings than my desktop PC, and this is even taking proton compatibility into account too so I don't even need windows for non VR games >realized the only reason I even have a powerful PC is for VR gaming >Literally hit the peak on what I need for hardware >Could not give less of a shit about raytracing when the real problem facing graphics right now is temporal anti aliasing looking like blurry shit and games being unoptimized, rather than whether or not I have fancy lighting >Nvidia is overpricing their new cards >AAA games that actually need extreme graphical horsepower are mostly shitty and full of broken promises (promises ain't the only thing that's broken about the games)
luv me older games
luv me indie games
don't care about the games that would need a 4000 series card to run
simple as
if they have a problem with it lower the price or cope
to expensive, no games. to many buttons.
> to expensive
Sadly true, even if you have good income the price is getting absurd
>no games
Stop lying
>to many buttons
Stop being zoomzoom
Bro, learn to spell, it's too, not to.
Please, before it's too late.
>prebuilts
OH NO
anyway
I feel great, it might cause them to lower prices
PC Sisters...are we the bad guys of the video game industry?
Apple kicking ass
Not really. Those numbers aren't even relevant since Apple ONLY sales pre-builts. You can't build an Apple at home, and they don't upgrade their shit, either.
So, a Windows gamer will drop $1100 on a new GPU and drop it into their existing PC. An Apple user (I can't even call them gamers, honestly) will just buy a new Apple.
>prebuilts
>meanwhile in reality
OH NO NO NO NO PC KEKS ITS OVER
less than xbox one KEK
moron. Thats concurrent players, Steam has at least 132 MAU (that was with 27 mil concurrent peak) it's probably 160 MAU now. PSN has 108 MAU.
mau counts the banned idiots using 30 different accounts in 2 days, doesnt count.
KEK COPE
steamtroon goes full caps seething mode KEK
>I-it doesnt count *gargles estrogen pills*
OHHHH NO OHHHHHHHHHHH NO NO NO NO AAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHA
>console peasant dares open his filthy mouth around the master race
w e w
u don't have 6 psn acounts?
Wooow so many bots to farm CSGO and TF2 skins!
You know that Steam is 90% bots?
Well, looks like PCs will stop existing. It was a good ride bros...
California banned pre-built powerful pcs
No they did not dumbass.
PC sales surged during Covid lockdowns and are now dropping down to previous levels. or something like that
Why the frick would you buy a PC in lockdown?
Most people I know took up hobbies like baking, remember how sourdough bread became this huge thing?
Who is like "I'm gonna be stuck at home for months, better turn myself into a vegetable by gaming 24/7"
I know it's funny to say that Ganker doesn't play video games but come on now
A lot of people didn't use there free money very wisely.
You moron, people only learned those hobbies so they can post them on social media. Computers facilitate social media posting.
prebuilts were a decent deal compared to buying a new GPU, at least early on.
WORK FROM HOME FRICKING moronic NEETS
My job provided laptops, what kinda rinkydink operation you working in where you have to supply your own computer?
THEY STILL HAD TO GET PURCHASED AND WOULD THEREFORE SHOW UP IN THESE SALES FIGURES!!! FRICKING IDIOT!!!
AND THATS ONLY ONE COMPANY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sucks for the b***hes who had lockdowns. Thankfully in my neck of the woods nobody gave a shit about the chinkopox.
>why would you buy tool for indoor activity during an event where you'll spend a lot of time indoor?
also, there are plenty of hobby that can be done on a PC beyond video games
They were buying them so their children could all have a computer for online classes, duh.
Also so that they themselves could have a computer to use for zoom meetings.
Remember when you had he ONE family computer? Doesn't exactly work when you have to attend classes online, and your mom or dad needs it for a meeting.
You work remotely - you need a pc/laptop, you communicate with people remotely - you need a pc/laptop. Your attempts in le cooking new hobby miserably failed - might as well play some games
Is it really that difficult to build your own computer?
There's about 5 parts you have to put together but the average person doesn't think they can do it even with easy access to video tutorials
The average zoomer has never held a can opener, let alone a screwdriver.
you need to talk to normies more often. most can barely operate a computer
nobody even knows how to use one anymore let alone screw a few bits into a box.
It doesn't give you the savings it used with cards now being 1000+ dollars.
yes it does
Not in any of my stores. It used to save you anywhere between 200-500 euros. Now it might shave off 50€ if you're lucky. I'd rather just pay the extra 50 and have the thing ready on delivery. The other good reason to build PCs yourself was to have warranty on the individual parts, but prebuilts now include that as well.
then you're buying from the wrong places.
>€
ohhhhhhhhhhhh
Okay anon, lets see that prebuilt PC you beoieve is a good deal compared to building one yourself.
I paid 800 for a prebuilt with an rx 5700 a few years ago that's still going strong. Had to replace the power supply recently but other than that.
>a few years and the PSU already fails
wow prebuilts sure are a great bargain.
Yes, it was challenging learning about cpu/gpu combinations, as well as ram speeds and how the different parts interact. It was also tough wiring up my 10 rgb fans with 2 wires coming from each fan, as well as learning how the fricking hub systems combine. Installing windows and sidestepping the Microsoft account that’s mandatory unless you enter a special command at startup was another issue. I also had horizontal lines in my OLED monitor which would have normally indicated a ram issue be resolved with and update that required a special cord from the box because it doesn’t have Wi-Fi capability.
that sidestepping the Microsoft account shit is annoying but idiot proof if you can type into google.
The thing is, unless I were watching jaysywocents videos and others getting ready for my PC build I would have never know there was a special frick you command when initializing my PC. People who undertake this hobby forget how fricking stupid almost every single human being alive is. Dealing with computers is for intelligent and belligerent people that won’t accept things not working so we fix it ourselves. I suffer around my “friends” who would probably stare a hole right though me if I ever revealed that I know more than they do.
relatable
and true
That's the most moronic post I've read today.
Maybe you're moronic, as you didn't build my PC, I did. It's not easy to start from scratch and it's intimidating and everything is easy to understand inn reverse once you already know it.
>microsoft
>using windjews in 2023
Take the penguinpill.
You absolutely do not need to know any of that, you can plug random top parts and see if theres a big flashing warning say ERRR INCOMPATIABLE YOU'RE TRYING TO USE AMD WITH AN INTEL MOTHERBOARD
What are you even talking about? You do need to know the things I mentioned, or else you just got lucky in your parts working together. In fact, I forgot about that other crucial need to know complication, the lga/am4/5 compatibility. Computers aren’t for normies and this further proves my point.
>spend over a thousand on parts
>build doesn't work because one vital part is arbitrarily not compatible with another vital part
Wow, great system
>buy parts at random without checking anything
Being massively moronic is a requirement for this strawman to actually occur.
it isn't, but the average person is moronic.
I actually charge people to build their PCs and I always insist on building it in their homes in front of them so they can realize how fricking easy it is, and they always say shit like
>wow anon I can't believe you are able to do that. I couldn't have done it.
so at this point, I've lost hope in humanity
Yeah, it is. You just know how to do it already like I do. You’re forgetting all of the time spent learning in the first place. Obviously it’s not hard to plug the parts in.
t.calls the plumber when his kitchen sink starts leaking
nah, I know how to do plumbing
I’ve seen experienced pc builders struggle on their fifth or sixth build, most of the time its not their fault but some moronic shit with firmware and bios settings. Even if you are able to boot it up, some unexpected ram issue will frick you over. Its too unpredictable compared to
>it just werks
Not even remotely. It's only gotten easier over time
Hardest part is having the balls to push the Ram in hard enough
yeah, I feel you, no homo. Just watch a video to gauge how hard to push. You can't damage anything unless you use a hammer.
The most difficult part of building a PC for me has been installing the CPU cooler. The rest is essentially LEGOs
Only the heatsink. I always get cut up putting that thing on. Everything else snaps in place or screws in place pretty simply and even the case cables nowedays are color coded so it makes it easier to go into mobo.
For a complete newbie who doesn't know anything about computers, yes it's hard.
Assembling a good computer(with choice of components that makes sense to avoid bottlenecks and to have a good price to performance ratio and longevity) without any frickups and with everything tuned to the max is not easy.
>if you don't know anything about it its hard!
then fricking take 5 minutes to learn a few things?
Quite literally lego-tier difficulty.
>tfw I was the designated lego builder for the family's kids who got some for christmas
>now I'm the designated computer guy for the family
After I heard horror stories of people having the audacity to touch their PC parts while standing on carpet and static shocking their $1000+ component to death I just said frick it and pay an extra 50 bucks to get it done for me.
I'm just too autistic to put the CPU in the MOBO
No, but the most expensive parts are the most prone to fricking up catastrophically. oopsie woopsie your GPU and bend a connector and you're fricked, that's $800 or more right out the window. CPU has to be placed in the right orientation.
Again, this is not hard stuff, but it can be very nerve wracking so I get it.
Also, building your own PC you have to trust yourself to pick the right parts. Pick a bad PSU and it is a very real possibility your rig (and house) go kaboom. prebuilts usually suffer that as well though.
These PCs are going to office drones not gaymers
hardest part for me was making sure mobo stands were screwed in right and then being paranoid of not using too much force while putting in ram and other connectors
Boomers are too lazy to do an honest attempt at doing it. They will say "its too complicated" as an excuse.
Zoomers are too dumb for that, they can't go beyond mobile gaming and app design. To them even basic windows menu is a challenge.They got too used to phones which are made to be able to be operated by toddlers.
So supply/demand dictates that prices should go down...right?
Nvidia pricing is fricking PC gaming over.
Supply and demand. Crypto mining jacked up the prices and enabled these companies to gauge PC players. Now changes to how crypto is mined plus the market fluctuating has meant GPUs just arent as popular for that and now Nvidia’s had to reduce prices ever so slightly because people just arent buying this shit. This is how the market is supposed to work. They’ll have to adjust their prices if consumers arent happy with the current prices. Not like PC parts are something people need like food, electricity, gas etc.
PC is for excel and powerpoint you jobless moron. That just meant less new business opening and companies postponing to replace their equipments due to slow economy.
GPU prices are too high, prebuiltgays are going to opt for a hold me over console instead.
You realize this has nothing to do with PC gaming right?
Why is anyone on Ganker not playing on PC. Presumably you're all posting here from computers.
I'm posting from an old used office pc. A ps3 plays games better.
Lenovo is the most purchased PC. Really?
It's the only decent brand. Surely you wouldn't buy a Dell or HP prebuilt.
>PC shipments
Oh I am laffing
don't care, still waiting for price drops
Cheers. I waited out the 3080 bullshit with scalpers and instead got scalped by nvidia with my 4090 purchase. It’s okay though since I wasn’t upgrading, I just didn’t have a PC in the first place. They will have to slow down releases and prices with the mining collapse I think.
4090 gays are really as bad as vegans already
Yes, computers and video games are exactly the same as food politics.
nvidia quite literally manipulated the market with the 40 series. They slowed down production so prices could go back up.
Yeah, I know. I couldn’t get a PS5 and my “frick you” to Sony was building a PC. My choice was getting scalped by resellers with the 3080/3090 or getting scalped by nvidia with the 40xx series, so I chose the latter. I have the money, so it didn’t hurt that much financially, but it always hurts a little being made a fool.
Why dont you buy amd if you dont care about the AI meme?
not either of those anons, but I had an AMD card before and had some very bad experiences with drivers constantly. Meanwhile, with Nvidia I've only had one bad experience with drivers after an update, and doing a rollback on the drivers fixed it. I'm not going back to AMD for a while
Im still playing games on a computer I built in 2014 with AMD r9 280x.
>your anecdote vs my anecdote
Thanks but I'm sticking with my decision and yes the people around me had the same experience as mine.
And this would've backfired catastrophically, if it weren't for the fact:
1 - AMD doesn't care about GPUs. They are more than happy to lower their prices by 20% compared to the competition and call it a day. They make 20x more money selling servers.
2 - Sudden AI boom, Nvidia can now devote 90% of its production to AI cards and ignore the consumer market.
Their plan was to sell Lovelace for stupid high prices, and in their mind people would naturally flock to their 3000 cards and clear their massive inventory of old-gen products in 6 months. This didn't happen, consumers just stopped buying entirely instead.
If a new market (AI) didn't suddenly show up, Nvidia would've been FRICKED by now. They are so lucky, it's insane. For the first time in half a decade, AMD is finally competitive/better (RDNA2 vs. Ampere)... aaand mining boom happens, it doesn't matter if their cards are worse because everything sells immediately anyway. Ethereum mining dies, massive inventory of unsold cards... aaand AI boom happens, they can stall price/performance for an entire year without repercussions.
Oh, and COVID helped them as well of course. Due to COVID, the launch of true next-gen titles was postponed by ~12-18 months: the sudden death of 8-10GB cards we're seeing now should've happened a year ago.
4090, though still very expensive for what it is, is the only device that offered a true generational leap. If you had the money for it, and enjoy it, it's fine. There's no guarantee things get cheaper, especially as sales for hardware actually INCREASE over time, especially with AI being pushed so hard, nvidia has absolutely no reason to decrease prices, so I think that 4090 may serve you for the next decade. I got a 4070 and fully intend to ride it for the next 6-7 years, I think vram expectations will cap around 12gb due to the 16gb shared pools of ps5/xbone x, and that shouldn't (realistically) happen for another 2~ years yet.
I went with the 27” lg 240hz OLED so I would be able to keep better performance before having to upgrade. I’m not hard off but I like to keep as much of my money from the hands of these scrubs as I can. I am a renowned cheapskate with certain things, but I still wear a Rolex and have a $500,000 home that I own. I also cook my own food and don’t eat out because I’m not giving my gaming money to the premade israelite.
>4090 for the next decade
>4070 for the next six years
That's a looong time, it's not going to happen unless the GPU market stagnates like the CPU market stagnated from 2011 to 2017. And I doubt that's going to happen: AI or not, there are currently three companies competing in the same space. Intel was literally left alone in the x86 CPU market.
I've been using my 980 for near a decade. and my 1070 is still going PLENTY strong, able to play pretty much anything I throw at it as long as I'm realistic about it.
In connection, what CPU are you using?
Give it another 5-10 years when upgrades are worthwhile again
The PC market is about to eat shit if Microsoft moves forward in their big "cloud-only, frick all competitors" plan.
But MS are the good guy's.
>The PC market is about to eat shit if Microsoft moves forward in their big "cloud-only, frick all competitors" plan.
50% of murricans who own a pc/laptop are macgays, they'll be fine.
not him, but never moving to a "cloud based operating system".
frick that and frick microhard too lol
I'd go all in on linux if microsoft did cloud, the Steam Deck got my feet wet.
I hear you man, that's a backup plan, but hopefully a new much better operating system will be made by the time it comes around, *if it ever comes
Linux has decades of support, and so many different GUI's to cater to all levels of PC literacy, wants, and needs. Nothing better is gonna show up, certainly not overnight. The silver lining of Linux is superior amd drivers, so there's that benefit if all you care about is gaming.
I know friend
I hope something even better is made however
and it *could* happen
I feel like people are getting fed up with the limited options and increasing restrictions of most well know OS's
and so *maybe* something will be born from the increasing demand for something better.
maybe...
> if all you care about is gaming.
I like being able to do anything I want. Arch linux looks nice, wine too
>multi OS/duel boot?
possibly
I might choose more than one, if I move from wangblows
truth be told, i'm used to windows, and like it, but HATE microsoft with a passion
it's a conflicted existence but one day I might jump ship
>50% of murricans who own a pc/laptop are macgays, they'll be fine.
....no?
MS is the good guy, it’s gonna be just fine
Nobody has any fricking money in the Joe Biden Economy, it's pretty simple. Numbers for anything that isn't strictly essential are down.
Dude, like 95% of pre-built PC sales are for corporations, not personal gaming.
>lenovo
>hp
>dell
>apple
>acer
looks like a decrease in business pc sales during a recession. nothing about that chart specifies consumer and the first budget businesses cut is upgrading hardware.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN PC SALES ARENT AS HIGH AS THEY WERE DURING UNPRECENDENTED LOCKDOWNS AND WORKING FROM HOME SHIFTS?
Nope, I just built mine last month and runs like a dream
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jCGs6r
First thing I see. Lol
anon, it only takes a single bios update. Also that guy is a moron for using PCPartpicker.
NTA but what site do you use that also shows warnings for compatibility issues?
>7950x3d
the golden boy for gaming this gen is the 7800x3d, it has much lower latency because the design is simplified compared to the R9 series, and that means much better performance. Not too bad from a productivity standpoint too, but there's obviously no competing with moar cores.
I built my own PC and so do most people into PC gaming, not buying junk from OEMs like that. That being said I haven't needed to upgrade since 2016 due to crippled console generation. Also RSI and inflation in Canada means I probably won't be buying a new one until we get good AI workload cards and they aren't up bid by cryptohomosexuals.
modern consoles play every PC game for a fraction of the cost and effort
>prebuilt & laptop Black folk
>Shits expensive
>Nobody buys it
I wonder if there is connection
PC Gaming is and has always being a meme, no one is really spending 1000s of dollar more just to play games on "muh 4k and 120 fps" other than literally neckbeards, consoles will always be the prefered gaming choise for literally most people, specially when PC hardware keeps getting worse and more expensive...
Nobody that can afford it or knows better is enjoying 30fps on a console. My shoes are $500, my watch is $15,000, my house is…never mind. Your post is cope.
Correct we get 60fps on console
You don’t get 60fps.
you’ve never played a game over 30 fps.
I've played games on Switch at 60fps
Which one?
Mario Odyssey, Smash Bros, MK8D, ARMS, DKTF, Cuphead, Mario Maker, Disgaea 5 etc
Only 60?
>m-m-MUH 120
kek
>is wrong
>moves goalpost
you wish
>muh 30fps
i can assure you that not everyone is autistic enough to actually care about that
nice bait homosexual
I can do so many things on my PC other than game, and I get 144 frames per second
>PC hardware keeps getting worse
false
>more expensive
you can buy a 1080ti for a few hundred dollars if you search around
you don't need to buy "the latest thing" in order to assemble a PC
in fact, that's a great thing about PC's
you can build a complete PC for less than than $500 *if you don't need to play the newest games but still want to make games or mods
>tl;dr
what you want determines the price
and the technology is getting better, not worse, but not all parts are created equal
Cool flex if I actually read it
>doesn't know what a "flex" is
>can't be asked to read
>brags about using consoles
>has no idea what he's talking about yet still talks down to others
NGMI
not here or in life
>brags about using consoles
False. The rest of your post was just insults as filler for an argument.
maybe you're not the same anon I was first chatting with then
anyways it's weird you chose not to read my post yet still commented on it and acted wienery about the fact you didn't read any of it
Why? I feel fine, haven't upgraded since 2015 and see no reason to. Graphics just make games worse, linear, they lose fidelity overall. Games have peaked, the only people left to appeal to are morons that watch streams and don't wanna dish out money and VR gays that wanna experience some gimmick they can brag about and forget.
>zoomers think computers are scary
>so big and advanced, all those options
>do you have any idea how much energy they use??
>all i need is my phone that can be controlled with a thumb :^)
>will get a console if they need vidya power
>already have 2 PC's
>don't require anymore
>anon (OP) sees this as a problem
>uses fearmongering to try and subvert reality
why u doshite???
Pc sucks now, we are not even deep into this gen yet, a lot of games are old gen, and they shit themselves with every new release unless you spend at least 1200$ or more.
Most of what you can play there without problems you can do it in a shitty laptop with integrated graphics.
It's unironically over, PS5 pro will be the last final stab.
>prebuilt demand decreases when parts availability rises
oh no sisters i don't feel so good
Good, frick AMD and specially frick Nvidia for trying to force the sky high, crypto fueled scalped GPU prices to become the standard.
>everyone upgraded during the covid lockdowns so they have decently modern hardware already
>rx 7000 and rtx 4000 gpu generations are boring flops so theres little interest in upgrading
>economy not doing so well
>sales go down
whoda thunk....
I bought a Steam Deck instead of a new PC.
What fricking PC shipments?
As in, whole PCs? People do that? And it's legal?
>6 years ago
>$1500 USD will get you a near top-of-the-line build
>now
>$1500 USD will get you a build everyone will laugh at
what went wrong?
>20 years ago
>$1500 made you a millionaire
WHAT HAPPENED
6 years ago you could get a double cheeseburger at mcdonalds for $1.00...what happened?
You're not supposed to mention that, it's not in our narrative we're trying to build.
the new normal? Whoops, I went off script. You could also get a 12 pack of heineken for $13 now it's $20.
>Inflation is a israeli trick
meds, now
inflation due to lockdowns and due to the fact that we have been printing more money than we can back for the demand of physical products and assets
money is worth less
and so now your purchasing power has decreased per dollar.
You also forgot to mention in the last 6 years PC lost every exclusive they had to consoles
>every exclusive they had
>every
absolutism sucks
but I can emulate just about any game on PC, and I can do so much more with my PC than any console would allow
Yes. Every.
>claims there's no exclusives on PC
care to back that up?
proof? I mean I know you're wrong, so do you and everyone else in this thread, but go on., prove your statement true. the burden of proof is on you, anon.
>I CHALLENGE YOU TO A DUEL
shut the frick up you autistic homosexual. It was hyperbole, there is actually a game PC gets that isn't on console but I wouldn't really count early access shit like Project Zomboid personally. PC has nothing
Go back playing on Xbox I guess
no
I asked you to provide proof of your claim that PC has no exclusive
>It was hyperbole
yet you presented it as truth
no intention of comedy in your post
change that next time
give a "tell" in your humor otherwise we're probably going to treat you like a fool
>goes back to lying
>there is actually a game PC gets that isn't on console
>one game
anon, there are countless games which are exclusive to PC
lying doesn't work here without a high degree of intelligence
PC has no gaems
you're not funny and you're basically just lying over and over
so what's the point of being "hyperbolic"?
it doesn't even read as hyperbole
it's just sad anon
if you want attention, just chat
no need to lye to interact here
Honestly I just love pissing off PC vegans
>PC vegans
>implying
you need to get your facts straight before making statements
that would be funny, but I like some consoles too, it's just PC dominates all of them
Rent free.
You ain't fooling anyone, consoletroony
>this may not reflect recent changes
Thank god they prefaced the list with "it's wrong btw"
1. this is just the standard disclaimer wikipedia puts before every category list because there may be inaccuracies.
2. this isn't even the full list, because it's WINDOWS only games, so games that also work on mac/linux are not included here. In reality, there are even more PC-exclusive games than shown here.
What's your next cope?
1. Cope
2. Nope
3. Played them all literally 2 decades ago
4. PC has no gaems
You don't need an IT degree to be a console gamer
you don't need one to be any kind of gamer
Uhh no it's the exact opposite. The new sony console has zero exclusives beside a shitty port and every "console" exclusive is just "wait 4 months and it will be on pc at half the price".
1500usd would get you 2k/144 or 4k/80 on triple A game easily nowadays
>what went wrong?
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/BOGMBASE
>Prebuilt sales dropping
AND. THAT'S. A. GOOD. THING.
>more PCs shipped this quarter than PS5/XBox series added together for all time
They still don't even put a graphics card into most prebuilts.
Good, that means prices will drop.
Only game worth upgrading for is starfield and there's good arguments for waiting for patches and mods anyway so may as well wait a bit in these economically tough times.
Actually is this only pre builts? Could be more people opting to build themselves especially now that actually getting GPUs is a lot more viable
oh no! my favorite gaming company, lenovo, is suffering!
>delusional homosexuals in multibillion corporations are suffering because they sell overpriced shit with proprietary elements and components
OH NO NO NO COMMUNIST BROS OUR israelite MASTERS ARE LOSING MONEY THE EVIL GOYIM ARE BUILDING COMPUTERS FOR THEMSELVES
Good. Hope all those cucks go back to consoles where they belong
console gamers are literal animals and should all be treated as such, but let's not pretend the average PC gamer, a turd world shitskin that plays exclusively f2p trash on a shitty 15 year old craptop, is much better
>prebuilts by companies
AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH, at least get a prebuilt from the pc shop
That's what happens to luxury goods when companies pretends the currency ate too much so they can be greedier than normal.
>prebuilts
I haven't bought a computer since like 1998, every few years I just buy new parts and swap them out as needed. 2 times needed a new case because video cards are enormous but that's it
It‘s so expensive at this point that it’s starting to become a meme, especially with AAA releases not being any more impressive than they were a decade ago yet also being incredibly demanding. I‘m fine with my deck
>prebuilts
Rest in piss.
I just upgraded my GPU and RAM. Why the frick do I need a completely new computer when I can just upgrade as needed?
diminishing returns. I'm fine with my 2080. I don't need to upgrade any time soon
What's a Lenovo?
I like my PC's how I like my women
BUILT
>all the seething console cucks in this thread
Lmao
in the past
>wow cool a new GPU is out and it costs the same as my old one but is 100% faster! I'll buy!
now
>wow a new GPU is out and it costs .. double and it is ... 15% faster. I think I'll /just wait/
quite simple
I haven't upgraded my PC in at least 5 years, games have stagnated, I can still run everything I need to with my 1080ti
1080ti chad. it's amazing how it still does so well
On which CPU?
i7 8700K, haven't ugpraded that in years either
Still here?
Applechads won.
Just bought a rig with 13600k + 4070. I think I overpaid for it but I'm set for at least 10 years.
you have also avoid a lot of troubleshooting headaches.
PC2 when?
>Le PC is... le dead
for the 34445656th time this month alone
shit gpu generation. CPUs didn't improve in 10 years. Still using i5 4570 and it's usually my GPU that bottlenecks
>c**ts found an excuse with covid to keep the prices unreasonable
>building PCs is cheaper than getting a complete system
>game requirements are fairly stale these years, on a plateau (good for us)
>most people use only the internet which doesn't have requirements
>a trillion small, indie games where you can spend 100s of hours
Good, let the megacorpos feel the heat.
>lenovo
>hp
>dell
>apple
>acer
Not personal gaming. lmao OP is moronic af.
Only actual morons buy/build PCs. Anyone with more than double digit IQ all buy Macbooks.
It's actually still worth it for a new PC build that uses old processors from ~ 2017?
Because some are cheaper.
Depend on the game. The old ones? The cheap PC will be sufficient. The incoming triple AAA games? Probably not.
Rather for the upcoming AA / AAA Games.
>prebuilts
lmao
If it drives gpu prices into the ground absolutely nobody would care
>Hardware prices artificially inflated
>More people go to prebuild
>Artificially inflate prices create artificial scarcity for prebuild.
What is the next move israelites?
Sabotaging Macbooks, the only computers still worth a damn to push the goyim back to Winpoo.
Who the hell buys a macbooks for? It's just a toy for rich people to show off, like a gucci bag. Every suite i have on mac i can have on windows.
Series X and PS5 are budget PCs. No point paying 2k to get the same results from consoles.
I think it's time for PC to drop the hardware market and become third party for consoles and phones. If they are lucky Microsoft will buy them and force them to make exclusives for the next Xbox
>everything I personally care about runs on my Steam Deck fine, albeit at lower settings than my desktop PC, and this is even taking proton compatibility into account too so I don't even need windows for non VR games
>realized the only reason I even have a powerful PC is for VR gaming
>Literally hit the peak on what I need for hardware
>Could not give less of a shit about raytracing when the real problem facing graphics right now is temporal anti aliasing looking like blurry shit and games being unoptimized, rather than whether or not I have fancy lighting
>Nvidia is overpricing their new cards
>AAA games that actually need extreme graphical horsepower are mostly shitty and full of broken promises (promises ain't the only thing that's broken about the games)
luv me older games
luv me indie games
don't care about the games that would need a 4000 series card to run
simple as
if they have a problem with it lower the price or cope
>580 8gb selling for 300something
How? Why? That price doesn't make any fricking sense.
Good, pc's getting cheaper is nice.