Nintendo and Bandai Namco has been doing this shit for decades. You literally weren't allowed to have sanity meters and minigames during loading for years because of them.
i dont know if this counts, but universal sued nintendo over donkey kong being similar to king kong, but lost when they realized they didnt actually own the rights to king kong
You probably could have, the problem is that no one asked.
There's some patent Nintendo owns that they don't really give a shit about. But I don't remember which one it was.
Who granted the patent? Who protects it? OH WAIT THE FRICKING GOVERNMENT AND ITS LEGAL SYSTEM
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>Company doesn't file for a patent >Government doesn't have to enforce shit
Wowwy woo! Look who started it!
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And who created the entire system? Fricking hell it's like you refuse to believe that the state can do moronic shit.
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The fact that the state has a system that companies decide to frick over consumers with isn't a problem of the state. Literally all companies have to do is decide not to file a patent for gameplay mechanics.
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>The fact that the state has a system that companies decide to frick over consumers with isn't a problem of the state
Honestly, just have a nice day. No really, do it.
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>Don't talk mean about my precious companies!!!!
Double Black person moron.
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>And who created the entire system?
I hate government too, but it's the companies who created this. Copyright was fairly sane 100 years ago, until it was heavily lobbied by patent holders.
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you can blame the rise of the ~~*film industry*~~ for that,
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>Copyright was fairly sane 100 years ago
100 years ago people waited for Copyrights to expire purely to avoid doing work of their own. It was broken anon.
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>public domain bad
Copyright has gotten so bad I'd rather just see all of it gone. I wish everything was licensed like OpenBSD
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>Copyright has gotten so bad I'd rather just see all of it gone.
Anon, you do realise that if that happens now it would only result in the richest companies taking control of everything, forcing out lesser competitors purely out of market domination right?
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You do realize most of the richest companies in the world get their wealth from copyright, right? If you eliminate intellectual property, the only value you could generate would be through merit/demand.
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Think about that for a moment anon, say copyright were abolished and Disney could make their own version of, I don't know, undertale or something.
Who do you think will make a better quality product, Disney or Toby Fox?
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anon, we are already at that point
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No, as long as copyright exists we'll never be at that point since companies and IP holders have to agree to sell first. There's mutual benefit with both sides obtaining something of use to them.
Were copyright abolished now then the largest companies that can afford higher quality products and exclusive deals with retailers or have their own stores will absolutely dominate every other creator.
On top of that because the smaller creators can no longer profit on their work because they can't compete they'll no longer be able to create since every facet requires money an artist needs a canvas, a musician needs an instrument, a director needs a camera etc etc.
Understand?
It's all well and good to say >ownership bad because I hate company!!!
But you need to understand the ramifications of abolishing ownership of ideas.
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I can't tell if your arguing in favour of copyright or not.
smaller creators literally have no chance under the current system - they have to spend trillions to redesign a wheel because 123128571123 variations of it have been done already.
larger companies already have exclusive deals with retailers.
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>smaller creators literally have no chance under the current system
The current system is literally the only thing that allows them to make a living in their ideas. If you had read the post you would have realised that
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funny because the company that fricked it for the rest of us famously couldn't come up with their own original ideas
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Sounds like it was functional to me.
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Patents are not copyright.
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Frick Disney for this shit specifically, no one cares about the mouse anymore, stop extending Copyright length
First time I heard about this kind of shit was when WB patented that nemesis system shit from shadow of Mordor.
Their patent is halfway up and they still haven't done jack shit with it outside of the two Shadows of Mordor game.
It would be perfect for a superhero game, and Warner owns DC, but instead of Nemesis system kino, we get trash like Gotham Knights.
To be fair, the nemesis system probably takes a considerable amount of effort on the part of the devs. It's not such a simple system that everyone and their mom would have in their game anyways.
That said, alot of game patents are complete bullshit.
They patented a specific implementation, I don't think it can stop anyone from making a game where you face recurring enemies that gain traits depending on how the previous encounters with them went.
It's literally just a marketing ploy so they can throw around a buzzword to make it sound more groundbreaking than it actually is, like blast processing.
I think Namco patented loading screen minigames at some point. They didn't come up with it idea and it was voided (+it would have been expired years ago anyway) but stil.
Valve is going after patent trolls. If they sued Nintendo it'd be fricking hilarious and I'd love to see it.
Blame Warner Bros.
They weren't the first to do it and at least the nemesis system was one thing and somewhat unique. What nintendo is patenting here is basic shit that's been in video games since forever.
>Why does Genshin live rent free in tendies' brains? >tendies never talk about genshin >genshin fans always talk about Nintendo
Are you sure about that?
Genshills and anti-tendies in general just think everyone that argues with them are tendies.
Remember when the deck was announced and anyone who has criticisms was branded a tendie? I do.
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who cares, post more Kyuranger
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I don't have any more kyuranger images unfortunately
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>Power Rangers would rather skip Kyuranger and adapt another fricking dinosaur themed team
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They're too scared of adapting a team that has aliens and robots alongside the humans and human looking aliens.
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They're adapting it.
BUT ONLY THE FRICKING ZORD FOOTAGE HOLY FRICKING SHIT.
This is patently false. I have browsed /gig/ every day since Genshin launched- its *exorbitantly* rare for anything Nintendo to even be mentioned. Genshin fans couldn't care less about Zelda, they're too busy arguing about which shallow characters are fricking
This is how I know none of you have played Zelda. Genshin is way prettier but loses out in every other area unless your idea of fun is Skinner box "big damage number" bugman slop. Zelda is such a completely different game that no lifting of surface level concepts like "climb stuff" can come close to replicating it.
Nah, they just don't want a big company to patent it first and then prevent Nintendo from using said elements in their future games without their consent. Blame WB for somehow patenting the Nemesis system and preventing any other company from using similar concept.
This is how I know none of you have played Zelda. Genshin is way prettier but loses out in every other area unless your idea of fun is Skinner box "big damage number" bugman slop. Zelda is such a completely different game that no lifting of surface level concepts like "climb stuff" can come close to replicating it.
i never played genshin, but from what i saw the only thing it they "copied" from botw was maybe the art style and the movement, but botw didn't invent cell shading and stamina bars.
i won't deny they were trying to look like botw but that's it, it's not even the same genre of game
Early on, Genshin was pretty much a copy of BotW but it clearly underwent a lot of changes from the initial teaser to the beta testing but you can clearly see all the influences BotW had on the game in the Sumeru region because that's basically LoZ.
Tendies tried to take down Genshin in its early days and kept crying about how it's chinkshit in order to make people hate it, only for it to backfire.
Never forget that Namco had a patent where you couldn't have minigames during loading screens.
Entire consoles generations ruined because of them.
Frick Namco.
no that was the case, namco held a patent on loading-screen minigames, it expired in 2015 and was referred to as "auxiliary games"
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/12/loading-screen-game-patent-finally-expires
It's true and one of the many reasons why people fricking despise Namco.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/12/loading-screen-game-patent-finally-expires
Ever played a game as a kid and had to endure loading times with nothing to do but wait? Blame Namco for that shit.
It's true but it expired a long ass time ago. As a matter of fact, when it expired, somebody hosted a game jam on itch.io that was dedicated to making loading screen mini-games.
https://itch.io/jam/loading-screen-jam
It's true and the worst part of it that they never fricking used it until it expired in 2015, when it wasn't even fricking needed anymore for most games. Thankfully they haven't patented workarounds like the loading void in Bayonetta or DMC loading text damage, but it's still astronomical bullshit.
Patents are a fricking shitshow in the state they've been in for the last few decades because of this even outside of vidya - 3D printing could have started popping off somewhere like 30 years ago and we'd have extremely well working machines if one Stratasys, i think, hadn't fricking patented the technology into extreme obscurity.
It seems mostly like they're patenting Fuse and Ultrahand as mechanics, and more specifically they're trying to patent how those two mechanics actually work. I caught that the patent for Link jumping onto a moving object defines the physics interaction as Link not having any inherent physics, and instead he adopts the inherent physics of any object he clambers onto.
There's plenty of israeli stuff there though like trying to patent everything related to the Recall mechanic, and trying to patent the loading-screen used specifically after a Fast Travel mechanic.
Nintendo regularly allow people to use their patents so it's a non issue.
If I remember right there was one that they only patented because they wanted to prevent patent trolling or something like that
I do not believe for a nanosecond that nintendo is doing this benevolently considering the horrific and malicious way they treat fan projects and game preservation. I'd literally have more confidence in EA or Activision in this regard than I would nintendo, they're that bad.
>considering the horrific and malicious way they treat fan projects and game preservation
By only taking down ones that make money and preserving each and every single game themselves releasing them or giving devs access to their archives when necessary like with whatever square needed with the mana collection?
It seems like your opinion is based on ignorance.
In those two games' cases there's extenuating circumstances that doesn't absolve Nintendo of guilt but does make their actions make sense >AM2R is, theoretically, competition with Samus Returns, releasing at/around the same time as a prelude to Metroid Dread >Pokemon Uranium got enough buzz that it was noticed by The Pokemon Company
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competition is actually encouraged by the legal system because it's a means for consumers to seek a similar product elsewhere. they couldn't actually take legal action against a free product with their property, but they usually have a team to harass them into compliance anyway.
>preserving each and every single game themselves
Anon, they have been caught multiple times listing ROMs 3rd party's ripped and uploaded publicly online on their virtual store fronts, and on that mini super Nintendo they released.
Them working with other AAA devs on projects proves nothing about the treatment of smaller devs or Indies, which given their history you know they'll pull some shit.
>they have been caught multiple times listing ROMs 3rd party's ripped and uploaded publicly online on their virtual store fronts, and on that mini super Nintendo they released.
No, no they haven't.
There was one time with the wii and it turned out they hired someone who used to rip roms and used the same header and footer. >proves nothing about the treatment of smaller devs or Indies,
What does that even have to do with this conversation? Fan game creators aren't indie devs and they've worked with indie game devs before and even went above and beyond in recent years with the creation of Cadence of Hyrule when the Necrodancer devs only wanted to use Zelda music as dlc.
Also the fact that pokemon fusion still exists without issue only proves the point that theyonlu target fangames that make a profit in some form or fashion.
>and on that mini super Nintendo they released.
The frick are you talking about? If that happened nowadays it would be plastered all over the Internet yet the only one you can find is that one time SMB1 had the same NES header.
Are you confusing it with the PS Classic that used an open source emulator?
I can link each patent to a specific gameplay mechanic in TotK so I see where Nintendo is coming from. If they use these patents to bully other game devs it will be a problem, but I doubt it since they've been humbled from Smashgays recently.
Nintendo went full scorched earth during covid and tried to sue any tournament running a modded Smash game on any system (GC, Wii, Wii U). They eventually started to go after content streamers and video uploaders too. The smash community was autistic though and pushed back and Nintendo got scared. Now they let people stream modded Smash.
>The smash community was autistic though and pushed back and Nintendo got scared.
HA no. The frick are you talking about?
The smash community kowtowed and shut the frick up about mods like Nintendo wanted in the first place.
Have you been keeping up with the Smash scene recently? HBox literally streams tournaments with a modded game.
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>HBox literally streams tournaments with a modded game
Anon, they're keeping the mods on the downlow, which is what Nintendo wanted in the first place which is why they didn't immediately take down the tbh tournament in the first place. They literally gave them multiple warnings before bringing down the hammer.
Didn't you know that?
You actually can't. The thing about patents is that they're extremely specific, if they aren't one to one then it's enough to skirt by.
Not that Nintendo usually uses patents in legal battles unless they have to.
>-Patent filed for when link jumps onto a moving object to move at the same speed as the object
Pretty much every game with moving platforms does this, including games with elevators. For that reason I'm 100% certain the patent will be granted because intellectual """"""property""""""" courts always make the worst decisions.
do game patents ever even get enforced outside of marketing terms? iirc a lot of smash bros stuff is patented but there's a zillion knock-offs that are pretty much the same
>do game patents ever even get enforced outside of marketing terms
The only one I can think of is when Sega sued over Simpsons Road Rage, other than that most, especially Nintendo, don't give a shit.
yes, you can also go to jail for repairing your own game device in a unofficial store, for having unregistered roms in your console, Nintendo fricked third-party in Japan.
Holy shit this will be a huge frick up once MS, EA and other companies catches this.
They really dun goofed the same way sony did with bleem/connectix this time.
Patents make sense in extremely limited situations such as drug development, where actually researching and bringing a product to market takes over a decade and a significant amount of capital. But for the most part they end up being anti-consumer.
They enforce monopolies, especially for drugs, many drugs are so cheap but are patented to hell.
it coming to gaming is a bad sign, even if enforcement is shotty.
>Nintendo succesfully copyrights various climbing and interactive mechanics >Dragons Dogma 2 becomes >never ever because the entire game has to be remade
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Why shouldn't they? They innovated gaming with burning grass, physics and climbing everywhere in a fun way. They deserve to keep it for being innovators
Copyrights are fine, it doesn't matter if they expire or not since it only pertains to creative works. Essentially it forces people to be original and that has worked fine over the years regardless of your opinion on it.
Patents are where IP laws fall into a grey area since it pertains to inventions and mechanics. Basically it's the difference between registering Mario and registering the idea of using the A to make Mario jump.
Some things should be patented but generic things like the Crazy Taxi arrow and loading screen minigames shouldn't.
it seems like a holdover from an era bygone when software was first going mainstream. didn't xerox sue microsoft for some design element back in the 80s? this shit doesn't even get enforced anymore, so im not sure what the point is. you might as well patent an entire genre of game at that point, its so ubiquitous that nobody would realistically bat an eye if one of these patents were infringed on
Because it isn't, you legally can't patent stuff like game mechanics
The problem is that the boomers assigning patents are moronic and allow obvious bullshit to slip trough
It's very costly to sue, even Valve just paid off patent trolls for years untill fairly recently they decided to take it to court
>you legally can't patent stuff like game mechanics
You can, people have been doing it for years successfully.
That's literally what patents are for inventions and mechanics.
>Use mechanic Nintendo patents >Nintendo: Winko hoy hoy bingo dingo! Re demand you not use mechanic! >Me: No >Nintendo: Re fine you! >Me: I'm not paying >Nintendo: Re sue you! >Me: I'm not going to court. >Nintendo: *ape out*
Wouldn't you have a warrant put on your head, then?
Patent infringement is not a crime, but failing to appear in court would result in nintendo winning by default and then their lawyers will have legal ground to use every trick in the book to get the awarded money out of you, which can include forcing you into bankruptcy if the amount is high enough.
Nintendo doesn't typically care about patent infringement and have historically allowed other companies to use their patents for nothing.
They only patent things just to stop patent trolls.
>and have historically allowed other companies to use their patents for nothing.
I tend to highly doubt that their lawyers would skip on patent enforcement for game companies yet would strike down any slightly popular free fangame or mod of their games they can get their lawbooks on.
Am I glad I stopped supporting Nintendo after the Gamecube, they've been complete shit ever since the Wii and have been getting worse. It'd be nice if companies couldn't patent anything related to video games.
>Nintendo is a media monolith constantly acquiring company after company rather than relying on their own talent and originality.
Of the big 3 they're the furthest from Disney.
They did not only stole mechanics off TES but also are scared of another Genshin situation.
Even so, the US Supreme Court is finally cracking down on troll patents.
I think we may live to see Nintendo at the court very soon.
Not only is your first statement false, troll patents are when a patent is made purely to sue for infringement, not when patents are being actively used.
>Do you think Microsoft, Sony and Valve will let this happen?
It has already happened, there's nothing anyone can do and none of these things have been done in any other game in the exact same way as described in the patents.
Not just similar shit mind you, it has to be exact, that's how patents work.
A lot of communist snoys in this thread, mad because they can't take what others created and subvert it, like what all leftists do. Name one game that allowed you to fuse anything in the world together. You can't. Nintendo is reviving the legacy of emergent gameplay and physics Half Life 2 laid a long time, and instead of being grateful for Nintendo's overwhelming excellence you are spiteful through envy and the fact that you cannot mod their games aka subvert aka steal their games like commie shitlib israelites without Nintendo standing up for themselves like based and alphapilled Kyle Rittenhouse. You want to put the knee on their neck, but on reality, you will become the one who is like the ...ACK!
Nitendrones thinks MS or other companies wont react violently against this, since really falls into patent troll over something nintendo didn't even invented at all.
Mainly now that Old MS awoke from their slumber thanks to Sony.
>you legally can't patent stuff like game mechanics
You can, people have been doing it for years successfully.
That's literally what patents are for inventions and mechanics.
Patenting something stolen and even considered free is patent trolling in many countries, mainly US and EU.
And what nintendo DID fricks even other video game companies, even fricking indies in general because they didn't even invented at all.
But then you are desperate to shill that garbage of a company right tendie.
>Patenting something stolen and even considered free is patent trolling in many countries, mainly US and EU
Who said anything about stolen and free ideas? None of these fall under this banner and were never even used in previous Games in the same way they were in totk.
I want to believe it's bait but nintendo gays are known for utterly deepthroating nintendos wiener no matter what even after the most anti-consumer moves.
The frog pic on the other hand just proves that it's bait.
Damn Japs literally stole from Banjo-Kazooie Nuts & Bolts and they have the gall to patent that shit. When’s Microsoft going to litigate Nintrendo for their blatant plagiarism?
I wonder what drives a softhouse to do this, but I kind of understand.
It is not that the intention is to go out looking for similar games to try to make money with your patent. The idea, as I understand it, is to have the "power" to sue any game that you consider harmful for any reason.
So let's assume someone makes a replica of TOTK but for some reason it's a hit on Switch and makes Nintendo even more money and sells even more copies of TOTK. They probably won't care.
But if someone does this on a new console considered the "switch killer" and it works and starts making Nintendo's stock fall and the company losing customers (an impossible situation), then Nintendo will probably want to make use of its patents...
The purpose is to prevent patent trolls suing your for YOUR game.
If you don't patent a new mechanic someone else can patent it after the fact and then attempt to sue, Nintendo has been hit by these patent trolls on more than one occasion with varying degrees of success that they've just taken to patenting things they make but not really enforcing it unless their hand is forced.
But wouldn't it be enough for Nintendo in this case to show that the guy's patent is on something that existed BEFORE the patent was made?
I know that happens in the case of copyrights. If I publish a game amateurishly on a blog and someone registers it and publishes it, and I show that the game was published by me before, the guy's copyright is worthless.
Look at the Nintendo v colopl case from a while back >Nintendo has patent for analog controls on a touch screen because DS shit >mobile boom happens and everyone uses it, Nintendo doesn't give a shit though and lets them be without forcing them to play >colopl tries to patent the exact same implementation and even tried to force other studios into paying them for it >Nintendo says frick off we own it >they ignore them >"we warned you" >Nintendo launches several year long legal battle and wins
You guys know nintendo has a bunch of misc game patents that they've only ever used to go after chinese patent trolls right? Point to any other instance where nintendo went after people for infringing on non-hardware patents. Really what you should be worried about is that non-banker rothchild owning a patent issued in 2017 thats "downloading a file from a server"
Patenting video game mechanics has to be the most israeli thing ever.
Blame Warner Bros.
Nintendo and Bandai Namco has been doing this shit for decades. You literally weren't allowed to have sanity meters and minigames during loading for years because of them.
And Sega with the directional arrow in crazy taxi.
Come to think of it, is Sega the only company to actually sue someone over infringing on a patent?
I can't think of any other instances.
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/capcom-wins-patent-lawsuit-against-koei-tecmo
If people aren't innovating because they're lazy bastards, they aren't because they can't. Literal fricking hellworld.
>importing shit from previous games is patented
Imagine if that guy assassinated Crapcom execs instead of Shinzo Abe.
i dont know if this counts, but universal sued nintendo over donkey kong being similar to king kong, but lost when they realized they didnt actually own the rights to king kong
Nah, that would be copyright, not patent.
You probably could have, the problem is that no one asked.
There's some patent Nintendo owns that they don't really give a shit about. But I don't remember which one it was.
Stop blaming companies when it's LITERALLY GOVERNMENTS DOING THIS SHIT
Damn didn't know the feddies forced Nintendo to file a patent.
Who granted the patent? Who protects it? OH WAIT THE FRICKING GOVERNMENT AND ITS LEGAL SYSTEM
>Company doesn't file for a patent
>Government doesn't have to enforce shit
Wowwy woo! Look who started it!
And who created the entire system? Fricking hell it's like you refuse to believe that the state can do moronic shit.
The fact that the state has a system that companies decide to frick over consumers with isn't a problem of the state. Literally all companies have to do is decide not to file a patent for gameplay mechanics.
>The fact that the state has a system that companies decide to frick over consumers with isn't a problem of the state
Honestly, just have a nice day. No really, do it.
>Don't talk mean about my precious companies!!!!
Double Black person moron.
>And who created the entire system?
I hate government too, but it's the companies who created this. Copyright was fairly sane 100 years ago, until it was heavily lobbied by patent holders.
you can blame the rise of the ~~*film industry*~~ for that,
>Copyright was fairly sane 100 years ago
100 years ago people waited for Copyrights to expire purely to avoid doing work of their own. It was broken anon.
>public domain bad
Copyright has gotten so bad I'd rather just see all of it gone. I wish everything was licensed like OpenBSD
>Copyright has gotten so bad I'd rather just see all of it gone.
Anon, you do realise that if that happens now it would only result in the richest companies taking control of everything, forcing out lesser competitors purely out of market domination right?
You do realize most of the richest companies in the world get their wealth from copyright, right? If you eliminate intellectual property, the only value you could generate would be through merit/demand.
Think about that for a moment anon, say copyright were abolished and Disney could make their own version of, I don't know, undertale or something.
Who do you think will make a better quality product, Disney or Toby Fox?
anon, we are already at that point
No, as long as copyright exists we'll never be at that point since companies and IP holders have to agree to sell first. There's mutual benefit with both sides obtaining something of use to them.
Were copyright abolished now then the largest companies that can afford higher quality products and exclusive deals with retailers or have their own stores will absolutely dominate every other creator.
On top of that because the smaller creators can no longer profit on their work because they can't compete they'll no longer be able to create since every facet requires money an artist needs a canvas, a musician needs an instrument, a director needs a camera etc etc.
Understand?
It's all well and good to say
>ownership bad because I hate company!!!
But you need to understand the ramifications of abolishing ownership of ideas.
I can't tell if your arguing in favour of copyright or not.
smaller creators literally have no chance under the current system - they have to spend trillions to redesign a wheel because 123128571123 variations of it have been done already.
larger companies already have exclusive deals with retailers.
>smaller creators literally have no chance under the current system
The current system is literally the only thing that allows them to make a living in their ideas. If you had read the post you would have realised that
funny because the company that fricked it for the rest of us famously couldn't come up with their own original ideas
Sounds like it was functional to me.
Patents are not copyright.
Frick Disney for this shit specifically, no one cares about the mouse anymore, stop extending Copyright length
>And who created the entire system?
Capitalists.
>And who created the entire system?
The Greeks.
>muh gubbamit
Their patent is halfway up and they still haven't done jack shit with it outside of the two Shadows of Mordor game.
It would be perfect for a superhero game, and Warner owns DC, but instead of Nemesis system kino, we get trash like Gotham Knights.
Its the same situation when Nintendo patented the sanity meter from Eternal Darkness didn't do anything with it.
To be fair, the nemesis system probably takes a considerable amount of effort on the part of the devs. It's not such a simple system that everyone and their mom would have in their game anyways.
That said, alot of game patents are complete bullshit.
Sega patented the arrow at the top of the screen pointing you towards your destination in racing games in the early 2000s
First time I heard about this kind of shit was when WB patented that nemesis system shit from shadow of Mordor.
They patented a specific implementation, I don't think it can stop anyone from making a game where you face recurring enemies that gain traits depending on how the previous encounters with them went.
It's literally just a marketing ploy so they can throw around a buzzword to make it sound more groundbreaking than it actually is, like blast processing.
This was patented. I don't know how Midnight Club got away with it for so long
I think Namco patented loading screen minigames at some point. They didn't come up with it idea and it was voided (+it would have been expired years ago anyway) but stil.
Valve is going after patent trolls. If they sued Nintendo it'd be fricking hilarious and I'd love to see it.
They weren't the first to do it and at least the nemesis system was one thing and somewhat unique. What nintendo is patenting here is basic shit that's been in video games since forever.
Of course they did. Fricks sake this has got to be one of the worst timelines.
they don't want another Genshin situation kek
Why does Genshin live rent free in tendies' brains?
Because the Chinese copied BoTW, slapped gacha on it and made billions
>Why does Genshin live rent free in tendies' brains?
>tendies never talk about genshin
>genshin fans always talk about Nintendo
Are you sure about that?
never talk about genshin
hmmm?
>he thinks I'm a tendie
schizophrenia
bingtendo just doesn't want chinks to make money by copying their homework
Genshills and anti-tendies in general just think everyone that argues with them are tendies.
Remember when the deck was announced and anyone who has criticisms was branded a tendie? I do.
who cares, post more Kyuranger
I don't have any more kyuranger images unfortunately
>Power Rangers would rather skip Kyuranger and adapt another fricking dinosaur themed team
They're too scared of adapting a team that has aliens and robots alongside the humans and human looking aliens.
They're adapting it.
BUT ONLY THE FRICKING ZORD FOOTAGE HOLY FRICKING SHIT.
This is patently false. I have browsed /gig/ every day since Genshin launched- its *exorbitantly* rare for anything Nintendo to even be mentioned. Genshin fans couldn't care less about Zelda, they're too busy arguing about which shallow characters are fricking
Genshin makes BoTW less special as it shows it’s not something only Nintendo can do
This is how I know none of you have played Zelda. Genshin is way prettier but loses out in every other area unless your idea of fun is Skinner box "big damage number" bugman slop. Zelda is such a completely different game that no lifting of surface level concepts like "climb stuff" can come close to replicating it.
>unless your idea of fun is Skinner box "big damage number" bugman slop
That's all nu zelda is, switch troony
OoT, sure
Nah, they just don't want a big company to patent it first and then prevent Nintendo from using said elements in their future games without their consent. Blame WB for somehow patenting the Nemesis system and preventing any other company from using similar concept.
i never played genshin, but from what i saw the only thing it they "copied" from botw was maybe the art style and the movement, but botw didn't invent cell shading and stamina bars.
i won't deny they were trying to look like botw but that's it, it's not even the same genre of game
Early on, Genshin was pretty much a copy of BotW but it clearly underwent a lot of changes from the initial teaser to the beta testing but you can clearly see all the influences BotW had on the game in the Sumeru region because that's basically LoZ.
Tendies tried to take down Genshin in its early days and kept crying about how it's chinkshit in order to make people hate it, only for it to backfire.
Nintendo doesn't care Genshit and the bugs don't care about copyright or patents
>patenting something that can be found in older games
Never forget that Namco had a patent where you couldn't have minigames during loading screens.
Entire consoles generations ruined because of them.
Frick Namco.
Is this true or just another Gankerermin delusion?
It’s true.
Source: I googled it.
Actually true, the patent expired a while ago though.
no that was the case, namco held a patent on loading-screen minigames, it expired in 2015 and was referred to as "auxiliary games"
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/12/loading-screen-game-patent-finally-expires
devs should start putting in tetris or something that rewards gold or exp before the loading screen finishes
Never heard of it before, but wouldn't be surprised. Though
is accurate. They patented the Nemesis system. The filthy fricking israelites.
It's true and one of the many reasons why people fricking despise Namco.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/12/loading-screen-game-patent-finally-expires
Ever played a game as a kid and had to endure loading times with nothing to do but wait? Blame Namco for that shit.
>Despise Bamco with burning passion
>The motherfrickers own like 5 of the 10 franchises I give a frick
Suffering doesn't begin to describe my feelings.
DMC3 allowed you to slash and fire at the loading text, dedicated developers could have found a workaround
It's true. It's expired now but it would've really been nice if we could've had minigames during the early 3d console generations.
True, stupid tourist
It's true but it expired a long ass time ago. As a matter of fact, when it expired, somebody hosted a game jam on itch.io that was dedicated to making loading screen mini-games.
https://itch.io/jam/loading-screen-jam
It's true and the worst part of it that they never fricking used it until it expired in 2015, when it wasn't even fricking needed anymore for most games. Thankfully they haven't patented workarounds like the loading void in Bayonetta or DMC loading text damage, but it's still astronomical bullshit.
Patents are a fricking shitshow in the state they've been in for the last few decades because of this even outside of vidya - 3D printing could have started popping off somewhere like 30 years ago and we'd have extremely well working machines if one Stratasys, i think, hadn't fricking patented the technology into extreme obscurity.
So other games won’t be able to make their own version of totkslop? Sounds ideal to me, tbqhwy
Some seriously worrying stuff here guys.
-Patent filed for when link jumps onto a moving object to move at the same speed as the object
-Patent for pressing a button to have lightning strike an enemy
-Patent for making movable objects unmovable/un-interactable when standing on top of them
Wtf you guys told me Nintendo were the good guys
It seems mostly like they're patenting Fuse and Ultrahand as mechanics, and more specifically they're trying to patent how those two mechanics actually work. I caught that the patent for Link jumping onto a moving object defines the physics interaction as Link not having any inherent physics, and instead he adopts the inherent physics of any object he clambers onto.
There's plenty of israeli stuff there though like trying to patent everything related to the Recall mechanic, and trying to patent the loading-screen used specifically after a Fast Travel mechanic.
Nintendo regularly allow people to use their patents so it's a non issue.
If I remember right there was one that they only patented because they wanted to prevent patent trolling or something like that
I do not believe for a nanosecond that nintendo is doing this benevolently considering the horrific and malicious way they treat fan projects and game preservation. I'd literally have more confidence in EA or Activision in this regard than I would nintendo, they're that bad.
>considering the horrific and malicious way they treat fan projects and game preservation
By only taking down ones that make money and preserving each and every single game themselves releasing them or giving devs access to their archives when necessary like with whatever square needed with the mana collection?
It seems like your opinion is based on ignorance.
I didn't know AM2R and Pokemon Uranium costed money, this is news to me.
In those two games' cases there's extenuating circumstances that doesn't absolve Nintendo of guilt but does make their actions make sense
>AM2R is, theoretically, competition with Samus Returns, releasing at/around the same time as a prelude to Metroid Dread
>Pokemon Uranium got enough buzz that it was noticed by The Pokemon Company
competition is actually encouraged by the legal system because it's a means for consumers to seek a similar product elsewhere. they couldn't actually take legal action against a free product with their property, but they usually have a team to harass them into compliance anyway.
>preserving each and every single game themselves
Anon, they have been caught multiple times listing ROMs 3rd party's ripped and uploaded publicly online on their virtual store fronts, and on that mini super Nintendo they released.
Them working with other AAA devs on projects proves nothing about the treatment of smaller devs or Indies, which given their history you know they'll pull some shit.
>they have been caught multiple times listing ROMs 3rd party's ripped and uploaded publicly online on their virtual store fronts, and on that mini super Nintendo they released.
No, no they haven't.
There was one time with the wii and it turned out they hired someone who used to rip roms and used the same header and footer.
>proves nothing about the treatment of smaller devs or Indies,
What does that even have to do with this conversation? Fan game creators aren't indie devs and they've worked with indie game devs before and even went above and beyond in recent years with the creation of Cadence of Hyrule when the Necrodancer devs only wanted to use Zelda music as dlc.
Also the fact that pokemon fusion still exists without issue only proves the point that theyonlu target fangames that make a profit in some form or fashion.
Stop thinking with a bias and look at the facts.
no, they also got caught with N64 roms on switch
are they not allowed to use games that they have the rights to just because someone modified the rom?
actually yes, that someone's modifications are still copyrighted by that person.
Can't find shit about it.
Would help if google and the other search engines out there didn't shit the bed and offer garbage results these last few years.
>and on that mini super Nintendo they released.
The frick are you talking about? If that happened nowadays it would be plastered all over the Internet yet the only one you can find is that one time SMB1 had the same NES header.
Are you confusing it with the PS Classic that used an open source emulator?
>Patent for pressing a button to have lightning strike an enemy
I guess they are fixing Riju's power
>-Patent for pressing a button to have lightning strike an enemy
Shit, I guess JRPGs can no longer have lightning spells, thanks Nintendo
I can link each patent to a specific gameplay mechanic in TotK so I see where Nintendo is coming from. If they use these patents to bully other game devs it will be a problem, but I doubt it since they've been humbled from Smashgays recently.
This is nintendo, they will do.
Even the likes of TES or even old games in general.
People forgets how trigger happy nintendo lawyers are to ruin someone's lives
>This is nintendo, they will do.
Nah they haven't dared to touch smashies for years now.
Never underestimate the general stupidity of them and their playerbase.
That's because smashgays have finally learned their place after Nintendo humbled them.
>since they've been humbled from Smashgays recently.
Huh?
Nintendo went full scorched earth during covid and tried to sue any tournament running a modded Smash game on any system (GC, Wii, Wii U). They eventually started to go after content streamers and video uploaders too. The smash community was autistic though and pushed back and Nintendo got scared. Now they let people stream modded Smash.
>The smash community was autistic though and pushed back and Nintendo got scared.
HA no. The frick are you talking about?
The smash community kowtowed and shut the frick up about mods like Nintendo wanted in the first place.
Have you been keeping up with the Smash scene recently? HBox literally streams tournaments with a modded game.
>HBox literally streams tournaments with a modded game
Anon, they're keeping the mods on the downlow, which is what Nintendo wanted in the first place which is why they didn't immediately take down the tbh tournament in the first place. They literally gave them multiple warnings before bringing down the hammer.
Didn't you know that?
Dude Wut?
They hid behind charity and have been mentioning mods as little as possible so they don't incur Nintendo's wrath again.
nintendo always does that on people who they cant fight like a bunch of yakuzas, the issue is now they bought a fight with the owners of the world
>the issue is now they bought a fight with the owners of the world
What on earth are you even talking about?
pretty sure you can find at least dozen games for each of these mechanics in some way shape or form even if it's simple indieshit
You actually can't. The thing about patents is that they're extremely specific, if they aren't one to one then it's enough to skirt by.
Not that Nintendo usually uses patents in legal battles unless they have to.
Sounds like the Namco loading screen minigame wasn't that precise, considering people avoided it like that plague
>-Patent filed for when link jumps onto a moving object to move at the same speed as the object
Pretty much every game with moving platforms does this, including games with elevators. For that reason I'm 100% certain the patent will be granted because intellectual """"""property""""""" courts always make the worst decisions.
>Patent filed for when link jumps onto a moving object to move at the same speed as the object
>patenting relativity and newton's first law
hehe
I should patent gravity and only use it to go after megacorps
impossible to enforce this shit and nintendo will get dickslapped the second they try to take this to court
>patenting post market release
do game patents ever even get enforced outside of marketing terms? iirc a lot of smash bros stuff is patented but there's a zillion knock-offs that are pretty much the same
>do game patents ever even get enforced outside of marketing terms
The only one I can think of is when Sega sued over Simpsons Road Rage, other than that most, especially Nintendo, don't give a shit.
where is the list
These patents are for japanese region, so, frick japan, frick their draconian legal system.
Is it true you can go to jail for modding single player games there?
yes, you can also go to jail for repairing your own game device in a unofficial store, for having unregistered roms in your console, Nintendo fricked third-party in Japan.
Apparently they managed to patent npc allies.
Holy shit this will be a huge frick up once MS, EA and other companies catches this.
They really dun goofed the same way sony did with bleem/connectix this time.
Are you an idiot?
This will not affect non japanese games, japan is the eternal boomer.
????????? Do they not know what previous art is?
Wut.
Can someone translate this anon's moronese?
See
(me)
Woops
Physics interaction.
Fast travel or Loading screens
kek
will probably not hold water against gmod and source games, but id agree that patents are an enemy of innovation.
Patents make sense in extremely limited situations such as drug development, where actually researching and bringing a product to market takes over a decade and a significant amount of capital. But for the most part they end up being anti-consumer.
They enforce monopolies, especially for drugs, many drugs are so cheap but are patented to hell.
it coming to gaming is a bad sign, even if enforcement is shotty.
>it coming to gaming is a bad sign
Anon, it's been a part of gaming long before you were even born.
i meant to game mechanics, ofc it's been in hardware for a long time.
I was speaking about game mechanics as well. This isn't anything new.
Then i am corrected, just another way the state enforces anti-competitive practice.
I hope rockstar and bethesda do the same thing for gta6 and tes6, frick israelitenips
>patenting video game mechanics
Zelda had a good run.
Reminder that we still only have boring load screens because Bandai Namco has a copyright on having minigames for loading screens
Didn't that lapse in 2015?
You're right, it did. But I still haven't seen any loading screen minigames so I'll keep blaming them.
Loading screen are too inconsistent and hardware specific to justify developement of one other than a gimmick.
Nah, not really. The bigger issue is that there really aren't loading screens anymore. It's at most one small loading screen on boot and that's it.
Yes, but it's not like devs need to bother since loading screens with info on it is a much lazier solution.
Nowadays most games have very short loading times so it's not worth it anymore
But it's literally fricking Dragon's Dogma for children
>Nintendo succesfully copyrights various climbing and interactive mechanics
>Dragons Dogma 2 becomes >never ever because the entire game has to be remade
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>They let Capcom use it in exchange for some MH freebies
Why shouldn't they? They innovated gaming with burning grass, physics and climbing everywhere in a fun way. They deserve to keep it for being innovators
good god i hate nintendo
You hate nintendo for doing what everyone else does?
YES
>everyone else
I can't think of a single thing that totk did that has never been done before. What are they patenting?
I'm not sure why it is legal to patent a game mechanic but I really get the feeling it shouldn't be.
Shouldn't be legal to hold copyright of an IP for more than 20 years and yet here we are thanks to fricking Disney.
Copyrights are fine, it doesn't matter if they expire or not since it only pertains to creative works. Essentially it forces people to be original and that has worked fine over the years regardless of your opinion on it.
Patents are where IP laws fall into a grey area since it pertains to inventions and mechanics. Basically it's the difference between registering Mario and registering the idea of using the A to make Mario jump.
Some things should be patented but generic things like the Crazy Taxi arrow and loading screen minigames shouldn't.
it seems like a holdover from an era bygone when software was first going mainstream. didn't xerox sue microsoft for some design element back in the 80s? this shit doesn't even get enforced anymore, so im not sure what the point is. you might as well patent an entire genre of game at that point, its so ubiquitous that nobody would realistically bat an eye if one of these patents were infringed on
Because it isn't, you legally can't patent stuff like game mechanics
The problem is that the boomers assigning patents are moronic and allow obvious bullshit to slip trough
It's very costly to sue, even Valve just paid off patent trolls for years untill fairly recently they decided to take it to court
>you legally can't patent stuff like game mechanics
You can, people have been doing it for years successfully.
That's literally what patents are for inventions and mechanics.
>Use mechanic Nintendo patents
>Nintendo: Winko hoy hoy bingo dingo! Re demand you not use mechanic!
>Me: No
>Nintendo: Re fine you!
>Me: I'm not paying
>Nintendo: Re sue you!
>Me: I'm not going to court.
>Nintendo: *ape out*
Wouldn't you have a warrant put on your head, then?
Patent infringement is not a crime, but failing to appear in court would result in nintendo winning by default and then their lawyers will have legal ground to use every trick in the book to get the awarded money out of you, which can include forcing you into bankruptcy if the amount is high enough.
Nintendo doesn't typically care about patent infringement and have historically allowed other companies to use their patents for nothing.
They only patent things just to stop patent trolls.
>and have historically allowed other companies to use their patents for nothing.
I tend to highly doubt that their lawyers would skip on patent enforcement for game companies yet would strike down any slightly popular free fangame or mod of their games they can get their lawbooks on.
After genshin, they are full paranoid now.
You can doubt it but when you look at the patents they own it becomes obvious that they don't really give a shit.
Am I glad I stopped supporting Nintendo after the Gamecube, they've been complete shit ever since the Wii and have been getting worse. It'd be nice if companies couldn't patent anything related to video games.
Nintendo is the Disney of video games
>Nintendo is a media monolith constantly acquiring company after company rather than relying on their own talent and originality.
Of the big 3 they're the furthest from Disney.
Not that you moron Im talking about them being extremely protective of their ips
Every company is protective of their IPs. You only hear about Nintendo more because they have more idiots trying to make money from their shit.
Nintendo is more notorious for taking fan projects than any other company. Hell Sega is the opposite of Nintendo when it comes to fan projects.
They did not only stole mechanics off TES but also are scared of another Genshin situation.
Even so, the US Supreme Court is finally cracking down on troll patents.
I think we may live to see Nintendo at the court very soon.
Not only is your first statement false, troll patents are when a patent is made purely to sue for infringement, not when patents are being actively used.
Cry some more tendies
Nintendo is now messing up with the wasps
Do you think Microsoft, Sony and Valve will let this happen?
>Do you think Microsoft, Sony and Valve will let this happen?
It has already happened, there's nothing anyone can do and none of these things have been done in any other game in the exact same way as described in the patents.
Not just similar shit mind you, it has to be exact, that's how patents work.
>He doesnt know
Scotus can rule these with one Pen.
A lot of communist snoys in this thread, mad because they can't take what others created and subvert it, like what all leftists do. Name one game that allowed you to fuse anything in the world together. You can't. Nintendo is reviving the legacy of emergent gameplay and physics Half Life 2 laid a long time, and instead of being grateful for Nintendo's overwhelming excellence you are spiteful through envy and the fact that you cannot mod their games aka subvert aka steal their games like commie shitlib israelites without Nintendo standing up for themselves like based and alphapilled Kyle Rittenhouse. You want to put the knee on their neck, but on reality, you will become the one who is like the ...ACK!
>Frogposter is a corporate bootlicker
Imagine my shock
Nitendrones thinks MS or other companies wont react violently against this, since really falls into patent troll over something nintendo didn't even invented at all.
Mainly now that Old MS awoke from their slumber thanks to Sony.
Patenting something stolen and even considered free is patent trolling in many countries, mainly US and EU.
And what nintendo DID fricks even other video game companies, even fricking indies in general because they didn't even invented at all.
But then you are desperate to shill that garbage of a company right tendie.
>Patenting something stolen and even considered free is patent trolling in many countries, mainly US and EU
Who said anything about stolen and free ideas? None of these fall under this banner and were never even used in previous Games in the same way they were in totk.
>And what nintendo DID fricks even other video game companies
No it doesn't. Literally none of the patents have been used in other games.
It does you fricking morondrone
I don't understand what your argument even is here. The post you linked doesn't mean anything in the context of our conversation.
And this proves... What exactly?
One of the patents covers hanging off of ledges
The image posted is from Prince of Persia which released in 1989
>One of the patents covers hanging off of ledges
No, no it doesn't. Who told you that?
you dont believe this, you're just saying it for attention
I want to believe it's bait but nintendo gays are known for utterly deepthroating nintendos wiener no matter what even after the most anti-consumer moves.
The frog pic on the other hand just proves that it's bait.
Nintendo created nothing new with TotK.
If that were the case these patents wouldn't have been approved.
In reality none of them have been used outside of totk.
Damn Japs literally stole from Banjo-Kazooie Nuts & Bolts and they have the gall to patent that shit. When’s Microsoft going to litigate Nintrendo for their blatant plagiarism?
When they can prove that they had a game like that before totk.
I remember seeing a patent for the ascend ability years before the game came out.
I wonder what drives a softhouse to do this, but I kind of understand.
It is not that the intention is to go out looking for similar games to try to make money with your patent. The idea, as I understand it, is to have the "power" to sue any game that you consider harmful for any reason.
So let's assume someone makes a replica of TOTK but for some reason it's a hit on Switch and makes Nintendo even more money and sells even more copies of TOTK. They probably won't care.
But if someone does this on a new console considered the "switch killer" and it works and starts making Nintendo's stock fall and the company losing customers (an impossible situation), then Nintendo will probably want to make use of its patents...
The purpose is to prevent patent trolls suing your for YOUR game.
If you don't patent a new mechanic someone else can patent it after the fact and then attempt to sue, Nintendo has been hit by these patent trolls on more than one occasion with varying degrees of success that they've just taken to patenting things they make but not really enforcing it unless their hand is forced.
But wouldn't it be enough for Nintendo in this case to show that the guy's patent is on something that existed BEFORE the patent was made?
I know that happens in the case of copyrights. If I publish a game amateurishly on a blog and someone registers it and publishes it, and I show that the game was published by me before, the guy's copyright is worthless.
>copyright
Patents and copyright aren't the same, it can take years for something to be patented while copyright protection is practically instant.
I have yet to see a patent troll that sued someone over gameplay feature, only hardware related patents.
Look at the Nintendo v colopl case from a while back
>Nintendo has patent for analog controls on a touch screen because DS shit
>mobile boom happens and everyone uses it, Nintendo doesn't give a shit though and lets them be without forcing them to play
>colopl tries to patent the exact same implementation and even tried to force other studios into paying them for it
>Nintendo says frick off we own it
>they ignore them
>"we warned you"
>Nintendo launches several year long legal battle and wins
>play
Pay
Microshit sues the frick out of Nintendont
Valve sues the frick out of Nintendont
Snoy buys up whatever is left
They literally can't sue, there are no other games that use these mechanics.
>Spyro's games involve him standing on moving platforms
>Prince of Persia has you hanging from ledges
>Crash Bandicoot lets you jump using a button
OH NO NO NO NO
None of these being patented by Nintendo.
>another thread of Ganker pretending they understand video games
Genuinely embarrassing.
You guys know nintendo has a bunch of misc game patents that they've only ever used to go after chinese patent trolls right? Point to any other instance where nintendo went after people for infringing on non-hardware patents. Really what you should be worried about is that non-banker rothchild owning a patent issued in 2017 thats "downloading a file from a server"
I got my JD from Ganker
How come they haven't patented the Smash style of gameplay if they care about copycats?