But he did. He was literally Jesus thousands of years ago and just wanted to die. That was literally it. He just wanted to die and pass on from the world. The entire game from beginning to end is you playing along with his plan, even when you defeat him.
It's a shame FFXV is such a shit game fundamentally because Ardyn's entire motive is genius.
He was a good display of what an actual antagonist should be really. Regardless if he was wrong or lost or whatever, he was not just LE EVIL VILLAIN like most video games shove in your face in an unrealistic manner.
All it takes to make a proper antagonist is a person that simply wants something opposite of yours. You want to save your world, he wants his world back, those two ideas are simply opposite to one another and it's moronic to try to convince the other to give up on something like that, because someone who follows that idea to the end would never do it-- and even when he played a villain, it was literally a play, since he had been already established on the previous expansion as someone who loves theater. (can literally just cast whatever spell to get his way, but he uses a gun just that one time because it made it more dramatic)
It's proper setup, execution and finish. He should've been allowed to dissappear after that but coming back for the very end after being so successful of a character was at least understandable.
>It's proper setup, execution and finish. He should've been allowed to dissappear after that but coming back for the very end after being so successful of a character was at least understandable.
I think his "return" during the Elidibus fight would've been a good end point. Since it fleshes out the character more in a good way.
Either way, Emet is probably one of the best FF antagonists to date. Maybe even the best.
>he was not just LE EVIL VILLAIN like most video games shove in your face in an unrealistic manner.
You know lately I've found myself villains who just don't give a frick and own their evilness over all these "woe is me, I have a sad in my past." type jerks. You want to talk realism here's the realist truth of all, some people are just greedy selfish buttholes and I'm tired of seeing freshman minded literature critics parade around that asinine "Hero of their own story" tier list bullshit. A good villain needs one thing and one thing only. PRESENTATION!
Even if someone is greedy and selfish buttholes, they're not mustashe twirling villains.
Evil for the sake of being evil is shit, because there is no logic behind it.
Someone greedy and evil could say and do a lot of non-"evil" things if they think it benefits them.
If all you want is some 1 dimensional evil villain then go ahead and enjoy things for 6 year olds.
I'm not saying they should be stupid or anything, I just think the opposite extreme is equally as bad. Writers can spend so much time trying to make their villain justified or sympathetic that they forget to make them a villain and it actually ends up getting in the way of them developing the heroes.
Being crystal boy makes you immortal magic man but also dooms you to a heroic martyrdom. He became crystal boy but then got passed over for succession and just ended up living forever until evil mitochondria (its a star wars reference but also a parasite eve reference get it?) Made him go insane
Boomers here will never understand how great Ardyn is, probably my favorite villain of any Final Fantasy easily, but boom boom will touch their nipples to Kafka laugh or Sephi abs
I don't know I didn't buy his DLC
because he fully bought into and committed to the "im the bad guy" role, and didn't make any excuses.
But he did. He was literally Jesus thousands of years ago and just wanted to die. That was literally it. He just wanted to die and pass on from the world. The entire game from beginning to end is you playing along with his plan, even when you defeat him.
It's a shame FFXV is such a shit game fundamentally because Ardyn's entire motive is genius.
He wasn't.
Emet Selch however, is.
Zenos is better
I wouldn't really call him a villain
Shame he's stuck in an awful and inferior spiritual successor to Second Life.
He was a good display of what an actual antagonist should be really. Regardless if he was wrong or lost or whatever, he was not just LE EVIL VILLAIN like most video games shove in your face in an unrealistic manner.
All it takes to make a proper antagonist is a person that simply wants something opposite of yours. You want to save your world, he wants his world back, those two ideas are simply opposite to one another and it's moronic to try to convince the other to give up on something like that, because someone who follows that idea to the end would never do it-- and even when he played a villain, it was literally a play, since he had been already established on the previous expansion as someone who loves theater. (can literally just cast whatever spell to get his way, but he uses a gun just that one time because it made it more dramatic)
It's proper setup, execution and finish. He should've been allowed to dissappear after that but coming back for the very end after being so successful of a character was at least understandable.
>It's proper setup, execution and finish. He should've been allowed to dissappear after that but coming back for the very end after being so successful of a character was at least understandable.
I think his "return" during the Elidibus fight would've been a good end point. Since it fleshes out the character more in a good way.
Either way, Emet is probably one of the best FF antagonists to date. Maybe even the best.
>he was not just LE EVIL VILLAIN like most video games shove in your face in an unrealistic manner.
You know lately I've found myself villains who just don't give a frick and own their evilness over all these "woe is me, I have a sad in my past." type jerks. You want to talk realism here's the realist truth of all, some people are just greedy selfish buttholes and I'm tired of seeing freshman minded literature critics parade around that asinine "Hero of their own story" tier list bullshit. A good villain needs one thing and one thing only. PRESENTATION!
Even if someone is greedy and selfish buttholes, they're not mustashe twirling villains.
Evil for the sake of being evil is shit, because there is no logic behind it.
Someone greedy and evil could say and do a lot of non-"evil" things if they think it benefits them.
If all you want is some 1 dimensional evil villain then go ahead and enjoy things for 6 year olds.
I'm not saying they should be stupid or anything, I just think the opposite extreme is equally as bad. Writers can spend so much time trying to make their villain justified or sympathetic that they forget to make them a villain and it actually ends up getting in the way of them developing the heroes.
You shouldn't write them as villains, but antagonists. Good and evil is a moronic concept.
No idea. Dropped that trash 15 hrs in.
there was nothing good about him.
I can't recall at all what was his plan or why was he the bad guy.
Being crystal boy makes you immortal magic man but also dooms you to a heroic martyrdom. He became crystal boy but then got passed over for succession and just ended up living forever until evil mitochondria (its a star wars reference but also a parasite eve reference get it?) Made him go insane
Boomers here will never understand how great Ardyn is, probably my favorite villain of any Final Fantasy easily, but boom boom will touch their nipples to Kafka laugh or Sephi abs
because he was forsaken and already damned and knew his fate but was acting still anyway, thus giving him that cool style of detachment.
He wasn't, he was a lame nerd who got shown up by Bahamut.