All of those are more crippled by their dogshit stat distributions than anything. Add no Fairy STAB for Bulu, which by the way was outclassed by a pure Grass type.
All variations of picrel are solid and neither of them would be better without Grass. >b-but when they go tera
Tera forms have a stat boost plus the benefit of Tera itself
>and the worst form is pure grass anyway
The worst form is Grass/Rock. Rock is an actual crippling type.
Yeah bro but being given the orb that makes Giratina go into its Arceus form or the orbs that make Groudon and Kyogre go into their planet-threatening, original, true forms all these years(guess not anymore lol) is definitly not weird
>zero coverage to compensate for grass being resisted by everything >support-oriented despite having a million weaknesses
It's a rock or ice situation where the type itself isn't bad, but the matchups clash with how they thematically build the Pokemon. Grass's best trait is that the few resists it has are very good and it's one of the few things that threatens Water, so you'd expect them to be tanky, offense-oriented Pokemon. That's why Pokemon like Ogrepon and Rillaboom are REALLY good. (Tapu Bulu would be too, if he actually had fairy STAB)
Although nothing could really save Iron Leaves from how shit the psychic type is.
grass/psychic is also just a uniquely bad type combo
There are a ton of good grass types unlike other bad types, I think grass is a type that lends itself to providing weaknesses for the strong mons it produces, so you rarely hear about insanely OP grass types, but there are a lot of really good grass types. Plus the grass immunity to powder moves is really useful in VGC especially, where grass types are really good right now
Bulu is bad because another Grass type with the same niche is far better than it.
Virizion is bad because of its shit stat line.
Leaves and Wo-Chien are bad because they got types that synergise really bad with Grass. Wo-Chien in particular would actually probably be good if it got reliable recovery.
Leech Seed is enough for Wo Chien Id say, its trash tier of a defensive typing isnt
Same thing with Ting Lu for that matter, what is Ting Lu(and Wo Chien) gonna do next gen when Tera is gone? Click Fissure(or and Leech Seed) while taking SE damage from everything on the field?
https://pikalytics.com/
Four of the top 20 Pokemon are Grass types. Grass is arguably one of two types a balanced team 100% needs to have (as going without it means you get hard cucked by sleep). Grass is fine.
grass is a great example of how to buff types that underperform purely based on their type chart matchups, having unique niches for types like grass' powder move immunity is just way more interesting than changing the chart (though that obviously sometimes is necessary)
The guy you're replying to is an up and coming schizo. He's obsessed with ice, uses the term campaignshitter, and literally doesn't know how to play the game properly
>and literally doesn't know how to play the game properly
t. thinks clicking moonblast instead of ice beam when you're about to get KO'd the same turn is a smart play
>Complete list of every type from best to worst:
1. Fairy
2. Steel
3. Ghost
4. Water
5. Ground
6. Fire
(Good type cut off)
7. Flying
8. Electric
9. Fighting
10. Dark
11. Dragon
12. Poison
(Okay type cut off)
13. Psychic
14. Normal
15. Bug
16. Grass
17. Rock
18. Ice
Would honestly switch Fire and Flying since Flying tends to be the better type in a vacuum. Sure, it's full of shitmons, but the highest tiers are filled with Flying types.
not sure if i'd agree with fairy over steel, steel has a couple of type combos that simply doesn't work (like rock), but overall i feel it's still better than fairy; water tops ghost imo
dark being that low is debatable, being inmune to prankster is great in veggie sea, but it gets hard carried by extremely good mons like chi yu and chien pao, that fairy weakness in the flutter mane meta hurts tho
Fairy has more bullshit type combos than Steel. All 3 types that resist Fairy are weak to Ground, and Fairy is only weak to the 2 weakest attacking types in the game while Steel is weak to 3 of the best. Ground is THE most common attacking type, and Fire and Fighting are in the top 5. Meanwhile, Steel and Poison are both in the bottom 3.
>THAT THING THAT'S GOOD DOESN'T COUNT AS BEING GOOD BECAUSE [moronic arbitrary reason] PLEASE LOOK AT THE TYPE CHART IN A VACUUM INSTEAD
Why do campaignshitters always do this?
Game Freak doesn't make real Pokemon games anymore. They lost the title after a decade of releasing nothing but 4/10 or worse games. REAL Pokemon is Gens 1 - 5 + Romhacks + Smogon + Nuzlockes.
>THAT THING THAT'S GOOD DOESN'T COUNT AS BEING GOOD BECAUSE [moronic arbitrary reason] PLEASE LOOK AT THE TYPE CHART IN A VACUUM INSTEAD
Why do campaignshitters always do this?
4 months ago
Anonymous
Objectively speaking, a type is good depending on how good it is on Arceus or Silvally.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Objectively speaking, a type is good depending on how well it performs in the actual game.
>Type is good! >Said type's most used Pokemon has a paltry 7% usage rate
Meanwhile the most used Rock has 11%, the most used Normal has 9%, the most used Grass has 30%, and the most used Ghost has more placements than every single Psychic type combined.
>>Said type's most used Pokemon has a paltry 7% usage rate
In DAY 2 of a REGIONAL, tied with many other Pokemon with the type, yes. Get a better argument, campaignshitter.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>In DAY 2 of a REGIONAL, tied with many other Pokemon with the type
That's the point. Psychic is a lesser type because it's so rarely used. Even if Flutter Mane were the only Ghost type used in competitive play, it'd still outclass the ENTIRE Psychic type.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Psychic is a lesser type because it's so rarely used
It isn't rarely used though. You're not very smart, are you?
4 months ago
Anonymous
It is. The total usage rate of the entire type is less than 1 Pokemon's usage. There might be more Psychics that are used overall, but they all have a low usage rate.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Arceus isn't in the game
ok moronkun
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Type is good! >Said type's most used Pokemon has a paltry 7% usage rate
Meanwhile the most used Rock has 11%, the most used Normal has 9%, the most used Grass has 30%, and the most used Ghost has more placements than every single Psychic type combined.
nta but people ran iron defense body press Ferro in Gen 8 as a late game cleanup before all the OP shit got added, I don't know if it had tournament success but you could win with it online.
Fini was the best standalone Tapu. Koko and Lele were better if you had Pokemon to make use of their terrains (Rising Voltage, Expanding Force). Overall, Tapu Rilla > Tapu Fini > Tapu Lele > Tapu Koko > Tapu Bulu.
>LET'S TURN VIRIZION INTO A ROBOT AND CALL IT A NEW POKEMON!
paradox mons were a mistake. gamefreak should be ashamed of themselves for being this lazy wit their pokemon designs. they couldn't be assed to give this thing a cool new design motif to set it apart from Virizion? it literally is just Virizion but as a robot and nothing else. what a boring design. gamefreak's laziness needs to be stopped because pokemon designs are not only thing that is effected by it
Grass isn’t a crippling type. Cope.
Take away either his priority move or his weather ability and he instsntly becomes a shitmon
>Lost Grassy Glide at the beginning of the gen
>Became literally unusable, almost as shit as Inceleon
lol, lmao
Ogerpon
All the forms are grass in that case though, and the worst form is pure grass anyway
All of those are more crippled by their dogshit stat distributions than anything. Add no Fairy STAB for Bulu, which by the way was outclassed by a pure Grass type.
All variations of picrel are solid and neither of them would be better without Grass.
>b-but when they go tera
Tera forms have a stat boost plus the benefit of Tera itself
>and the worst form is pure grass anyway
The worst form is Grass/Rock. Rock is an actual crippling type.
Cornerstone seems more success in both VGC and Smogon than Teal. Hearthflame and Wellspring are the clear best though
It's going to be so weird in the next games when you're just given these masks like they're not supposed to be one-of-a-kind
they'll be in-universe bootlegs to explain why they don't get special terastal effects
That actually makes a lot of sense
Yeah bro but being given the orb that makes Giratina go into its Arceus form or the orbs that make Groudon and Kyogre go into their planet-threatening, original, true forms all these years(guess not anymore lol) is definitly not weird
Pure grass has a free item slot
but it loses the 20 percent boost to all moves
Bulu was the weakest Tapu but he was still very good, much better than anything else on the image. Fairy and auto terrain are both OP.
Frick you I love Wo Chien. Ting Lu is the worst by far.
>posting a redd*t screenshot
>Iron Leaves
Nah Iron Crown is worst of the trio
>Best Expanding Force user
Don't think so m8
Clearly you haven't been spamming expanding force
>zero coverage to compensate for grass being resisted by everything
>support-oriented despite having a million weaknesses
It's a rock or ice situation where the type itself isn't bad, but the matchups clash with how they thematically build the Pokemon. Grass's best trait is that the few resists it has are very good and it's one of the few things that threatens Water, so you'd expect them to be tanky, offense-oriented Pokemon. That's why Pokemon like Ogrepon and Rillaboom are REALLY good. (Tapu Bulu would be too, if he actually had fairy STAB)
Although nothing could really save Iron Leaves from how shit the psychic type is.
grass/psychic is also just a uniquely bad type combo
There are a ton of good grass types unlike other bad types, I think grass is a type that lends itself to providing weaknesses for the strong mons it produces, so you rarely hear about insanely OP grass types, but there are a lot of really good grass types. Plus the grass immunity to powder moves is really useful in VGC especially, where grass types are really good right now
Grass is hard carried by the fact that it's one of the 3 starter types.
Bulu is bad because another Grass type with the same niche is far better than it.
Virizion is bad because of its shit stat line.
Leaves and Wo-Chien are bad because they got types that synergise really bad with Grass. Wo-Chien in particular would actually probably be good if it got reliable recovery.
Leech Seed is enough for Wo Chien Id say, its trash tier of a defensive typing isnt
Same thing with Ting Lu for that matter, what is Ting Lu(and Wo Chien) gonna do next gen when Tera is gone? Click Fissure(or and Leech Seed) while taking SE damage from everything on the field?
https://pikalytics.com/
Four of the top 20 Pokemon are Grass types. Grass is arguably one of two types a balanced team 100% needs to have (as going without it means you get hard cucked by sleep). Grass is fine.
grass is a great example of how to buff types that underperform purely based on their type chart matchups, having unique niches for types like grass' powder move immunity is just way more interesting than changing the chart (though that obviously sometimes is necessary)
worst statistically or worse designs because all of them are top tier designs of their groups except the tapu (the girl tapus are the only good ones)
Why does grass always have so many trannies hating on it?
same reason why ice does
campaignshitters have no knowledge of the game beyond type matchups
moronkun, grass is actually a good type.
The guy you're replying to is an up and coming schizo. He's obsessed with ice, uses the term campaignshitter, and literally doesn't know how to play the game properly
>and literally doesn't know how to play the game properly
t. thinks clicking moonblast instead of ice beam when you're about to get KO'd the same turn is a smart play
so is ice
moronkun, it’s not…
Grass is bad.
>Complete list of every type from best to worst:
1. Fairy
2. Steel
3. Ghost
4. Water
5. Ground
6. Fire
(Good type cut off)
7. Flying
8. Electric
9. Fighting
10. Dark
11. Dragon
12. Poison
(Okay type cut off)
13. Psychic
14. Normal
15. Bug
16. Grass
17. Rock
18. Ice
Would honestly switch Fire and Flying since Flying tends to be the better type in a vacuum. Sure, it's full of shitmons, but the highest tiers are filled with Flying types.
Otherwise the list is just about perfect.
not sure if i'd agree with fairy over steel, steel has a couple of type combos that simply doesn't work (like rock), but overall i feel it's still better than fairy; water tops ghost imo
dark being that low is debatable, being inmune to prankster is great in veggie sea, but it gets hard carried by extremely good mons like chi yu and chien pao, that fairy weakness in the flutter mane meta hurts tho
Fairy has more bullshit type combos than Steel. All 3 types that resist Fairy are weak to Ground, and Fairy is only weak to the 2 weakest attacking types in the game while Steel is weak to 3 of the best. Ground is THE most common attacking type, and Fire and Fighting are in the top 5. Meanwhile, Steel and Poison are both in the bottom 3.
imagine thinking psychic is a bad type
jesus fricking christ no one on this board has any clue how the game works
Psychic is terrible. Psyspam is only viable in VGC where Dark types are currently not as prevalent as normal because Flutter Mane shits on them.
>Psyspam is only viable in the game
oh no.....
Game Freak doesn't make real Pokemon games anymore. They lost the title after a decade of releasing nothing but 4/10 or worse games. REAL Pokemon is Gens 1 - 5 + Romhacks + Smogon + Nuzlockes.
>THAT THING THAT'S GOOD DOESN'T COUNT AS BEING GOOD BECAUSE [moronic arbitrary reason] PLEASE LOOK AT THE TYPE CHART IN A VACUUM INSTEAD
Why do campaignshitters always do this?
Objectively speaking, a type is good depending on how good it is on Arceus or Silvally.
Objectively speaking, a type is good depending on how well it performs in the actual game.
>>Said type's most used Pokemon has a paltry 7% usage rate
In DAY 2 of a REGIONAL, tied with many other Pokemon with the type, yes. Get a better argument, campaignshitter.
>In DAY 2 of a REGIONAL, tied with many other Pokemon with the type
That's the point. Psychic is a lesser type because it's so rarely used. Even if Flutter Mane were the only Ghost type used in competitive play, it'd still outclass the ENTIRE Psychic type.
>Psychic is a lesser type because it's so rarely used
It isn't rarely used though. You're not very smart, are you?
It is. The total usage rate of the entire type is less than 1 Pokemon's usage. There might be more Psychics that are used overall, but they all have a low usage rate.
>Arceus isn't in the game
ok moronkun
>Type is good!
>Said type's most used Pokemon has a paltry 7% usage rate
Meanwhile the most used Rock has 11%, the most used Normal has 9%, the most used Grass has 30%, and the most used Ghost has more placements than every single Psychic type combined.
moronkun
moronkun
Ice is bad
so is Psychic
moronkun
moronkun
You only make it worse
Everyone thinks you're a moron
>poison 2
>bug 0
No wonder I hate it.
i just want gamefreak to give the tapus their op terrain move, bulu would be the worst anyway, but still
I wish snail was good
>Slow, defensive Grass type
It'll never be good unless it gets access to Spore.
>Slow, defensive Grass type It'll never be good unless it gets access to Spore
play the game
>WAIT NO THAT DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE [cope]
I thought Pokemon good in singles but not doubles didn't count?
Ferrothorn is good in doubles. You don't see it now because it's dexited.
You didn't see it in Gen 7 or 8 either.
nta but people ran iron defense body press Ferro in Gen 8 as a late game cleanup before all the OP shit got added, I don't know if it had tournament success but you could win with it online.
Ack-posting needs to be a bannable offensive or at least be filtered.
Why? What's wrong wi-ACK
I'm pretty sure Fini was the worst Tapu.
Fini was the best standalone Tapu. Koko and Lele were better if you had Pokemon to make use of their terrains (Rising Voltage, Expanding Force). Overall, Tapu Rilla > Tapu Fini > Tapu Lele > Tapu Koko > Tapu Bulu.
>LET'S TURN VIRIZION INTO A ROBOT AND CALL IT A NEW POKEMON!
paradox mons were a mistake. gamefreak should be ashamed of themselves for being this lazy wit their pokemon designs. they couldn't be assed to give this thing a cool new design motif to set it apart from Virizion? it literally is just Virizion but as a robot and nothing else. what a boring design. gamefreak's laziness needs to be stopped because pokemon designs are not only thing that is effected by it
>plebbit screenshot
You belong in that "worst of your group," OP