try picking one up asap in platinum and evolving it right after you get to eterna, the thing absolutely chews threw the city's gym and is pretty decent for the rest of the game
hell, it and a Walrein are the only reason I beat Cynthia
Not every pokemon needs to be good in multiplayer and even if every supposed shitmon got buffed there would always be a worst pokemon. Aggron has 110 attack anyway, stop lying.
>Not every pokemon needs to be good in multiplayer
True >even if every supposed shitmon got buffed there would always be a worst pokemon
Yet the "worst Pokemon" would benefit from being... you guessed it: buffed.
The worst Pokemon being buffed but still being "the worst" would be much better off compared to if it never got buffed.
Bronzong and Probopass are awful tier even in single-player. Really, there are a lot of Pokemon who you're better off using an alternative, but that's the design philosophy of RPGs anyways
Probopass is amazing tho because it's available before the 2nd gym on platinum. Nothing catches up with it's power level for a really long time afterwards
Some mons are bad enough that even in-game they suck, not those, but Ledian is so fricking awful it actually made me dislike it despite thinking the design is cool.
I'd post that picture of Charizard typing but you do make a point there would always be a "worst pokemon". However, there is no reason for the "worst" pokemon to be as bad as they are. especially since a pokemon being a shitmon is the most common reason for it being hated.
>even if every supposed shitmon got buffed there would always be a worst pokemon
Worst is entirely relative, though.
If every Pokemon was viable and had their own niche, but one just had a niche that was less common, it would be the worst despite not being bad.
>be me >think Seaking is kind of neat >Swords Dance + Scale Shot seems ok >but why would I use this shitmon when better users of these moves exist >it doesn’t even get Aqua Jet
There are a lot of objective shitmon from gens 1-3 that could use a buff or two in terms of stats / move pool. I’m not asking for them to become the best options available. Just give us a reason to use them for frick’s sake.
Give them Rock type Body Press (90 base power, exclusive to those 3). Also take GMax Steelsurge and give the steel-type Stealth Rocks to those 3.
>Bastiodon
+30 HP (Rampardos gets +30 speed)
Gets Sap Sipper as an ability.
Learns Body Press, Spikes, Recover (or Shore Up), and Knock Off
>Probopass
+20 special attack
Sturdy replaced with Levitate
Learns Body Press and Trick Room
>Aggron
+10 speed
Learns Shift Gear
Heavy Metal swapped with Sheer Force
They should all have a place in the lower tiers now. Bastiodon is an ersatz low tier Ferrothorn with the ability to set up multiple types of entry hazards, but it has to be more careful around Ground and Water types. Probopass becomes a decent bulky special attacker/pivot. It could work as a Trick Room pivot. Aggron becomes good Klinklang. At 60 base speed, and after 1 Shift Gear, it becomes faster than everything from Weavile on down with just 144 EVs in Speed, allowing for some extra points in Defense or HP to be bulky, fast, and hard hitting.
>rock no longer weak against ground
yes. yes. >steel no longer weak against fighting
go frick yourself you're crazy.
"lol just remove a weakness to FRICKING STEEL type"
I've liked Bastiodon since it's inception, and I refuse to use it because it's just so fricking boring and useless. What's it going to do? Roar? Metal Burst? It's such a boring fricking pokemon, it can't do anything except literally sit there and maybe slightly annoy it's opponent until it fricking dies, accomplishing nothing besides, ooooooo, setting up stealth rocks, which a million other Pokemon which can actually do shit can do. I'm fricking annoyed with how little options it has. I'm not even looking for suggestions on how to use it, because I've probably looked it up once a year trying to think of something and I just can't. It's terrible anyways in every gen, so apparently nobody else can, either.
And I really really like Bastiodon, it's fricking awesome. Would use irl. That's the sad part.
Body Press and Shore Up would be great for Bastiodon. Maybe introduce a Steel type version of Body Press too.
Could still use a new ability though. They couldn't even give it Solid Rock? Soundproof is a joke
I just don't get why whenever they make a defensive rock type, they always give it shit HP and no recovery, so it essentially dies to every pokemon with SE attack
All 3 are already tanky enough(maybe not Aggron on special side).
Why would Bastiodon need more tankiness? It's problem is that it does nothing more than using sneaky pebbles and bait an earthquake or something to use Metal Burst back
i just don't like how easily it dies compared to some other tanky mons like toxapex, just because it has zero recovery and a bad defensive typing. lasting longer could allow it to actually attack without turning it into some obnoxious cancer that most stallmons are
I think one of the biggest issues with pokemon is how fricked the damage calculation formula is. A x4 multiplier is way too broken for how often it can show up. Especially when there are 100% accurate 100+ BP moves like Earthquake and Close Combat to take advantage of this. It kind of kills any chance of certain dual type pokemon from having a defensive role, even if they were specifically designed for that.
>like regional burds >catch a Pidove as soon as I can >actually decent fast physical attacker stats >besides Quick attack at Lv. 11 the next physical attack he learns is Facade at fricking Lv. 55 >his entire natural movepool is made of support moves and special attacks like Air Slash
I mean, maybe they made him that way to stimulate the players to use the new infinite TMs but holy shit
Smoll indu deverupu prease understandu.
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based
>saying based to your own post
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i like how probopass is a soft electric type
IF ONLY I COULD USE IT
try picking one up asap in platinum and evolving it right after you get to eterna, the thing absolutely chews threw the city's gym and is pretty decent for the rest of the game
hell, it and a Walrein are the only reason I beat Cynthia
...maybe my team was just garbage, actually
Frick you, Aggron is my bae
>saves your typing
So many clovermons would be great if they were in the actual games.
Not just mechanically, but also designwise.
I love these 3 like you wouldn't believe
Not every pokemon needs to be good in multiplayer and even if every supposed shitmon got buffed there would always be a worst pokemon. Aggron has 110 attack anyway, stop lying.
>Not every pokemon needs to be good in multiplayer
They would be if the game design was competent.
>Not every pokemon needs to be good in multiplayer
True
>even if every supposed shitmon got buffed there would always be a worst pokemon
Yet the "worst Pokemon" would benefit from being... you guessed it: buffed.
The worst Pokemon being buffed but still being "the worst" would be much better off compared to if it never got buffed.
Bronzong and Probopass are awful tier even in single-player. Really, there are a lot of Pokemon who you're better off using an alternative, but that's the design philosophy of RPGs anyways
Bronzong is a great in game choice. It can use both its offensive stats effectively, learns lots of moves, and has good abilities.
Can confirm, I took one with heatproof to the E4. Love that thing, his name is Clanger.
Bronzong was actually good in Gen 4
I meant to say Bastiodon
Probopass is amazing tho because it's available before the 2nd gym on platinum. Nothing catches up with it's power level for a really long time afterwards
>Bronzong is awful tier even in single-player
that's completely wrong. agree on Bastiodon though
Some mons are bad enough that even in-game they suck, not those, but Ledian is so fricking awful it actually made me dislike it despite thinking the design is cool.
I'd post that picture of Charizard typing but you do make a point there would always be a "worst pokemon". However, there is no reason for the "worst" pokemon to be as bad as they are. especially since a pokemon being a shitmon is the most common reason for it being hated.
>even if every supposed shitmon got buffed there would always be a worst pokemon
Worst is entirely relative, though.
If every Pokemon was viable and had their own niche, but one just had a niche that was less common, it would be the worst despite not being bad.
>be me
>think Seaking is kind of neat
>Swords Dance + Scale Shot seems ok
>but why would I use this shitmon when better users of these moves exist
>it doesn’t even get Aqua Jet
There are a lot of objective shitmon from gens 1-3 that could use a buff or two in terms of stats / move pool. I’m not asking for them to become the best options available. Just give us a reason to use them for frick’s sake.
>just give us a reason to use them
here.
>Just give us a reason to use them for frick’s sake.
>think Seaking is kind of neat
????
> Think that Pokemon is nice
> Don't use it because some arbitrary numbers said so.
Holy shit I feel bad for competitivegays. You people are so miserable and can't even have fun. Smogon? VGC? Not even fricking once!
Maybe you qant to use x online
bastiodon is easily the worst of these 3
Give them Rock type Body Press (90 base power, exclusive to those 3). Also take GMax Steelsurge and give the steel-type Stealth Rocks to those 3.
>Bastiodon
+30 HP (Rampardos gets +30 speed)
Gets Sap Sipper as an ability.
Learns Body Press, Spikes, Recover (or Shore Up), and Knock Off
>Probopass
+20 special attack
Sturdy replaced with Levitate
Learns Body Press and Trick Room
>Aggron
+10 speed
Learns Shift Gear
Heavy Metal swapped with Sheer Force
They should all have a place in the lower tiers now. Bastiodon is an ersatz low tier Ferrothorn with the ability to set up multiple types of entry hazards, but it has to be more careful around Ground and Water types. Probopass becomes a decent bulky special attacker/pivot. It could work as a Trick Room pivot. Aggron becomes good Klinklang. At 60 base speed, and after 1 Shift Gear, it becomes faster than everything from Weavile on down with just 144 EVs in Speed, allowing for some extra points in Defense or HP to be bulky, fast, and hard hitting.
>Rampardos gets +30 speed
Black person, you’re crazy!
88 Speed would still be considered slow in today's meta and its low defenses still leave it suspectable to priority moves that it's weak to.
But Game Freak would consider it OP even though Zacian and Dracovish exist.
>Probopass got Body Press naturally for no reason
>Bastiodon, the shield Pokemon never learned Body Press
because it's dexcut from SWSH?
You forgot
>No access to a reliable recovery move
There really needs to be a recovery move for rock and steel types.
Rebuild or something like that.
*saves rock/steel type*
Give bastodion levitate.
Make Aggron pure steel and give it a steel type equivalent of head smash to let it keep its niche.
>steel no longer weak against fighting
>rock no longer weak against ground
would that be a good change? both of those types are already SE against 5 others, so a little nerf wouldnt hurt too much
Too many OP steel types for this to be reasonable. Magnezone, ferrothorn, etc losing a weakness to fighting would be fking terrible.
Good change to rock though
>buff the already best defensive type in both VGC and omgon
>leaving it with only one weakness at that
>rock no longer weak against ground
yes. yes.
>steel no longer weak against fighting
go frick yourself you're crazy.
"lol just remove a weakness to FRICKING STEEL type"
I've liked Bastiodon since it's inception, and I refuse to use it because it's just so fricking boring and useless. What's it going to do? Roar? Metal Burst? It's such a boring fricking pokemon, it can't do anything except literally sit there and maybe slightly annoy it's opponent until it fricking dies, accomplishing nothing besides, ooooooo, setting up stealth rocks, which a million other Pokemon which can actually do shit can do. I'm fricking annoyed with how little options it has. I'm not even looking for suggestions on how to use it, because I've probably looked it up once a year trying to think of something and I just can't. It's terrible anyways in every gen, so apparently nobody else can, either.
And I really really like Bastiodon, it's fricking awesome. Would use irl. That's the sad part.
Body Press and Shore Up would be great for Bastiodon. Maybe introduce a Steel type version of Body Press too.
Could still use a new ability though. They couldn't even give it Solid Rock? Soundproof is a joke
I just don't get why whenever they make a defensive rock type, they always give it shit HP and no recovery, so it essentially dies to every pokemon with SE attack
It's worse fighting physical attackers. No relevant physical attacker is unable to super effectively hit rock. Liquidation was the nail in the coffin.
>great Atk and Sp. Atk
>shit defenses
>slow
>excellent offensive movepool
>shit offensive stats
>shit stats
>bad / redundant movepool
My personal favorite
>fortify
priority move that reduces all incoming damage for the next 3 turns by 50%
would this make bastiodon viable?
All 3 are already tanky enough(maybe not Aggron on special side).
Why would Bastiodon need more tankiness? It's problem is that it does nothing more than using sneaky pebbles and bait an earthquake or something to use Metal Burst back
i just don't like how easily it dies compared to some other tanky mons like toxapex, just because it has zero recovery and a bad defensive typing. lasting longer could allow it to actually attack without turning it into some obnoxious cancer that most stallmons are
GIVE HIM LEVITATE
I think one of the biggest issues with pokemon is how fricked the damage calculation formula is. A x4 multiplier is way too broken for how often it can show up. Especially when there are 100% accurate 100+ BP moves like Earthquake and Close Combat to take advantage of this. It kind of kills any chance of certain dual type pokemon from having a defensive role, even if they were specifically designed for that.
or, you know, just fix rock.
>le slow mixed sweeper
>movepool clearly leans to one side
>typing would benefit the other side
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST GET GREAT DEFENSIVE STATS, TERRIBLE STATS EVERYWHERE ELSE, AND BE ROCK/STEEL
Cope.
>like regional burds
>catch a Pidove as soon as I can
>actually decent fast physical attacker stats
>besides Quick attack at Lv. 11 the next physical attack he learns is Facade at fricking Lv. 55
>his entire natural movepool is made of support moves and special attacks like Air Slash
I mean, maybe they made him that way to stimulate the players to use the new infinite TMs but holy shit
I hated that as well
Actual shields kinda suck though.
it's a better strategy not to get hit.
but the SMOGONTRANNIES have banned evasion.
>Great defensive stats
>Great attack
>Filter
>Pure Steel
Why did they remove him. Its not fair...
Aggron was going to be pure steel in the gen 3 betas.
what happened
Game Freak considered it to be unsustainable, just like making a game that isn't a wankfest for popular Pokémon.