GoG versions are DRM free so he is talking about piracy.
THough all versions of the game are DRM free.
If you buy the game on steam and log into factorio site you can download the game files for free also. no need of steam.
It's a Steamie talking point.
Don't want to buy from Steam? W-well...don't buy from GOG either okay?! Just pirate it!!! Don't give Steam competitors money PLEASE
Should have stopped after the first sentence. Based devs don't give a shit about piracy.
And you really can't call them "hacks," either. Factorio's one of the most bug-free games I've ever played. I've been on the Experimental branch since 2016 and I've only seen ONE bug (some shadows overlapping incorrectly), shortly after a patch during the early access period, but when I finally quit the game to report it I was THREE patches behind. Those dudes will fix edge-case bugs that only happen when three obscure mods are used in tandem, just because they can.
Screech about the price all you want, but it's a fricking bulletproof piece of software.
I didn't want to completely derail, but the earlier reply you got is right, I decided to date a troony after 10 years of having been single
and I can trade because I am single again, the troony gf unsurprisingly turned out to be stellar for the first half a year and then went insane
still not insane to the point of chopping off her 10cm erect (not anymore lol) feminine dick, but still
I wish I had someone to play factorio with again too...
It's a bit of an autistic move, if anything. They're already millionnaires off Factorio, and most people who would have bought the game bought it already. Negative press for nothing.
Wow anon you're so intalagant, nobody figured that out before you. And yes, being the ONLY devs out there who increased the price of a digital game for that reason makes it a borderline autistic decision. Especially since sales are slow now compared to what they've already achieved.
>$35.37 >.37
So the dev IS selling his game cheaper to newbies after all. They don't deserve it. I paid full price so they need to pay every last cent too.
Factorio has some of the most dedicated fans of any game. Kovarex could put a baby in a blender and Factorio fans would cheer as long as it resulted in 0.5% UPS improvement.
>Make one single video game >Get lucky that a certain group of autists enjoy it and keep making free advertising for it >Milk it as long as possible >Never work again and retire off your one single game
It really is as easy as "be lucky" in life. That's the one thing it takes to be rich and successful, Ganker, why haven't you just blasted out a bunch of garbage until something makes you rich?
you don't need luck if you make a good game for a genre that you know still has a fanbase that also hasn't had a good game release in ages
basically, just make a good game and you'll make it
>Get lucky
they've been honing and perfecting a single game for over 10 years, obsessing over the most minute details to create the ultimate factory autismo sim
It's the "practise one kick 10,000 times" thing, there is no luck involved, it's objectively the best game of it's kind and will likely be never topped
>ChatGPT comes out >friend uses it to make a self-help website >makes thousands and thousands in commissions >one chick even paid him $2500 to make a 'virtual boyfriend' prompt for her to chat to >he's made $200k in a year, bought a house >gunna milk it as long as he can and close up when it either dries up or gets regulated
yep, all it takes is jumping on something early and making that lucky break.
remember pic related sold almost 5 million copies at $15 each, and was made by one guy in his spare time over a couple of years
More like he made something that pleases a niche
Like the artists that make insane money off of commissions for the most disgusting shit, they don't even have to be great at drawing they just have a weirdly dedicated audience
Anyone who's already bought the game doesn't want other people to get it cheaper.
Anyone who hasn't bought the game already, hasn't been waiting 7 years just for a sale.
>Anyone who's already bought the game doesn't want other people to get it cheaper.
Why? Does it affect their enjoyment of the game in anyway? Is it some weird sort of gatekeeping or just jealousy?
What are you gonna do? It IS one of the best games of all time and they know it. Game's better than literally anything on the market with an $60+ pricetag.
That anon said the value of the product does not increase. There are Factorio mods with millions of downloads and videos of modded gameplay with millions of views, contributing to more visibility of the game. Ipso facto, ongoing mod development increase the value of the game.
>on a whim
you want them to send you a questionnaire or something? Your tampons get more expensive at the store ON A WHIM. Did you lose your shit embarrassingly there like this too?
I love how people are seething about Factorio pricing literally for 10 years now...
>Yes, Kovarex said the expansion will be "the same price as the base game" because it will have just as much content.
That is honestly a really fricking bad wording though, because the development of Factorio never ceased. It's a game that has been continuously improved for 8 years.
Defining it's "volume of content" is incredibly nebulous, because it is going to be dictated by how long the post-release support will be, rather than what will be in the initial release package. It's just their model, they can't fricking help themselves, they are absurdly perfectionalist and never ever fricking manage to make that "enough is enough" call. Every time they thought they are happy with the final product - someone somewhere prompted them to find a flaw, or something to improve, and despite being exhausted and frankly, sick of the game, they just got back and continued to improve of add to it.
Everyone thought that the base game is done with the announcement of the expansion, but look how that turned out.
Hell, I've met the people 6 years ago. And back then, they were saying "We are just done, we are just going to wrap it up in the next half a year and move on, we don't want to add any more features, we'll just move on to purely technical support if needed." and well... here we are now, six years later, base game still getting major updates and improvements.
Bought it when it was on $20 dollar sale, never looked back. Your money is constantly devaluing, nothing good comes to those who wait. Spend it immediately when your paycheck clears or invest it in crypto.
Why are the devs for this game and rimworld so autistic that they believe their shit should never go on sale? I pirated both games and they're fairly boring.
>Developer makes an actual game with the knowledge that they have bills to pay and aren't making it for fun or just cause
Any indie dev worth their shit will realize they have to step it up if they want to be taken seriously. This is the price of wanting to make a career out of your supposed hobby.
If you haven't tipped them the difference between the price you paid and their bi-yearly raise, you have no argument. In fact, you should be forced to pay the difference or get your game access revoked.
So what? That just means more people will pirate it.
If they think their labour somehow went up in value over the years, they're free to price their autism simulator however they like, just like I'm free to take it for nothing elsewhere.
>Small bugfixes and accessibility changes every couple months
I don't think this is worthy of a price hike, it's not like they're expanding the game proper. But if they want to try coasting on its name by raising the price every few years because sugar is getting more expensive, then sure, but they have no right to complain when the beaners pirate it.
>they spent a fricking year getting it to run on the switch
And the payment for that is getting into the switch market. That has literally nothing to do with the PC price.
If there is a single game worth the money on Steam, it's Factorio. People b***hing about the price obviously haven't played it. Everyone I know that has played ends up getting obsessed with it for a while and even finishes a playthrough. Even if you do that "never pay more than 20 bucks for a game" thing, this game qualifies under the inflation-adjusted amount.
://fineleatherjackets.net/monkeyinflation >games are more than 2x the price >hourly wages have gone up about 20% since game was released >"its totally fine because its adjusted for inflation!!"
It should still be never spend more than 20 bucks for a videogame, 25 if feeling generous and adjusting for wages.
I don't own factorio, but the opposite ('free dlc') could be true also. Just because it's getting updated after release, does not mean it wasn't a finished game before that, despite what modern game devs would lead you to believe.
Anybody remember that indie shit game The Castle Doctrine from years and years ago?
It was put out by one of those self important indie devs during the time of like Fez and shit where indie devs tried to be internet rock stars on twitter and shit for attention.
Anyways. He said he'd never put the game on sale, and then when he finally did a few years back his post about it sounded absolutely defeated by the fact that nobody would buy his dead game for $15 and reduced it to $3 where I still think nobody bought it because he waited 10 years to put it on sale and it was never worth $15.
>Should I be angry with the 70 dollar, MTX ridden, Season Pass nickel and dimed AAA games? >No, I will seethe at the autism simulator instead
OP, anyone who wanted to play Factorio bought or pirated it last decade.
I told you pirate it.
The problem with this thread is >Screengrab of a new article >an almost a year old news article >about a game every Gankertard should know >that has been in a playable state for almost a decade
If you are interested in the game, why haven't you bought it already?
If you bought it and didn't like it, why are you giving attention to it?
If you aren't interested in the game, why are you seething about Factorio in particular?
If you believe that this sets a precedent(which was set my mainstream games being raised to 70$), should your energy not be spend on the big players and not a niche indie developer?
I told you pirate it.
The problem with this thread is >Screengrab of a new article >an almost a year old news article >about a game every Gankertard should know >that has been in a playable state for almost a decade
If you are interested in the game, why haven't you bought it already?
If you bought it and didn't like it, why are you giving attention to it?
If you aren't interested in the game, why are you seething about Factorio in particular?
If you believe that this sets a precedent(which was set my mainstream games being raised to 70$), should your energy not be spend on the big players and not a niche indie developer?
this but unironically
its a shit bait thread about a game everyone has already either played or ignored 10 years ago
Claiming to raise the price because of muh inflation is worse than being honest and going "lol we're price hiking because we can" that all companies are doing now. At least they're not lying
Why does it have to be mutually exclusive? These guys are doing the same shit the AAA companies are with the exact same bullshit excuse. It doesn't fly for the bigger companies and it doesn't fly for them.
Prices fluctuate chuds.
Just save the extra money and buy it when you can afford it. A little price increase isn't the end of the world. >WAAAAH BUT I'M A NEET OR MIN WAGE LOSER WITH NO MONEY
Then stop whiney and get a job or another one. Stop being useless in society.
The dev even helps people running the pirated version when they ask. All buying does is give you access to multiplayer and mods, which eventually get worked into the base game. Pirate it if you are poor.
OP is a third world poorgay seething over 35 dollars, constantly talking about how having to pay money for a game is israeli despite the fact the game can be played offline and has no DRM
Xhe's been seething about factorio for years at this point
>Damn that's cool.
It's surprisingly common among slavs. You'll find that slav developers - especially people born in late 80's or early 90's, there are only two, both extreme, attitudes towards piracy.
They are either DEATHLY AFRAID of it (case in point, CDPR and their utterly misguided attempt to chase and sue pirates back in TW2 days), or their EXTREMELY ACCOMODATING to it - case in point, Icepick Lodge literally providing customer support and even uploading updates to their games - on the fricking torrent site forums. Wube falls squarely in the latter category.
The reason for this is simple.
Piracy used to be drastically more important and pronounced in eastern europe during the late 90's and early 2000's. Up till as late as 2008, when Steam started gearing up, bootleggers were the biggest distributors of games in most of eastern europe. I remember entire fricking malls - hundreds of vendors - selling bootlegged copies of games in Russia, Slovakia, and Romania.
Bootleggers eventually gave way to torrent sites, but the issue was still massive, basically market defining.
So... people raised in that environment either became horribly aware of how many sales are being "lost" to piracy, or themselves used to take heavy advantage of the piracy scenes in their youth, and thus felt like they have no right to judge others for it.
Given that Kovařík et all are around my age and come from my country, I'm sure around 90% of all games they played in their teens were either bootlegs or pirated copies, so they are understanding.
I honestly don't feel like they're israelites for charging $35 for their game. It's one of the best indie games out there imo, and it's downright addictive if you have autism
Remember when this turbo israelite said that Factorio would never go on sale but in return you'd get the full experience with all future content being free?
>Remember when this turbo israelite said that Factorio would never go on sale but in return you'd get the full experience with all future content being free?
Nope. That is actually very explicitly not what they said. They said that the game will never go on sale, but that they will promise to continue support it for many years, during which they will add more content and optimize for free. This was followed by list of shit they planned to implement, ending with nuclear power and the spidertron.
Then they explicitly stated thatIF they were to charge people again for something, it would have be a major expansion. Like - a masive game changing expansion. At the time of making that statement, however, they did not plan any such thing... though they did say the option will remain on the table.
The same statement also warned that once the currently promised set of features (including the spiderbot and nuclear) is implemented, the price of the game will be upped by 10 dollars. They anticipated that to happen in the next 2 years, and they will promise to give warning few months in advice.
The whole blog post in question was made in 2016. And in 2018, they did exactly what they promised to do: implement last major content updates including nuclear and the bot, and upped the price to 30.
Wube can be called a lot of things, but lack of transparency and honesty isn't among them. They were incredibly clear in their wording and they hold on to their words.
I hope you appreciate the irony of you calling israelite others despite stomping your feet for a bunch of pennies
Sales are inherently a israeli trick to create artificial demand by manipulating morons into buying things the usually wouldn't.
A craftsman knows the value of his work and sets the price accordingly.
Don't want to pay full price? Pirate it, the devs don't give a shit, it has no DRM. They alredy made a hundred million dollars, they're set for life
>Sales are inherently a israeli trick to create artificial demand by manipulating morons into buying things the usually wouldn't.
The funniest thing is - Wube themselves admitted that they are actually losing money on the whole "no sale policy".
They originally implemented it based on completely wrong estimation of the game's potential market. They assumed the game has extremely limited audience, predicted sale numbers in orders of 100k copies through out the game's life-span.
And that made them afraid that a sale would canibalize the market, which was already barely large enough for them to pay for the previous 4 years of development.
This was INCREDIBLY WRONG. But... by the time they realized this, they already made the declaration that the game will never go on sale.
And going back on their word - despite the fact that at that point they knew a sale would just boost their profits a ton - felt wrong to the people who bought it full price assuming that is the best the deal will ever get.
So they stuck to the no sale policy not to make more money - in fact they consciously continued to lower their own profits - out of sense of moral obligation to people who already bought it assuming that is the best price they'll ever get.
They are... fascinating. The entire backstory behind the game is fascinating too. Having met them - more than once actually, and having heard the whole story of how Factorio came to being, including the time they managed to get themselves banned from about every single major gaming forum in existence, and the time they failed their crowd sourcing endeavor, decided to bury the whole game, genuinely quitting and releasing the game's alpha for free because... they were done, gave up, so might as well give away the bare-bones alpha away so that perhaps someone might have fun with it....
Everything about them is interesting, and quite relatable. But they are - at least the two core founding members, Kovařík and Kozelek - absolutely somewhere on the spectrum.
I mean the whole game - and the team - was formed when these two guys, both working as programmers for some big software developer, bonded over a shared passion for... fricking software optimization.
I am not making this shit up. That is their shared passion. And sharing that obsession with making code more efficient made them friends, and Factorio as a concept was born out of the idea to distill that passion, that "thrill" of optimization, into a videogame form.
And that is fricking surreal. Also, they chilled out a lot over the years, but in the early days of Factorio development, they had working ethic that would make young Carmack look like a god damn slacker. Before the crowd sourcing attempt that failed, and then succeded later, they used to work 10 hours a day, 7 days a week, for 2 years straight.
I love the guys. Even if I don't agree with everything they do (I myself find the "inflation" price hike absurd and needlessly antagonizing, I have no idea why they thought that was a good idea).
>until an organized raid of valve-fanboys got together to inflate user-reviews scores on Portal 1 to dethrone it
schizo
There is record of all of this, actually. You just have to dig a bit in 2017's Portal subreddit.
>passion for... fricking software optimization
i get it, i write code for a living and if i had infinite time i'd spend week rewriting the same shit over and over again trying to get as close as i can get to perfection
>I have no idea why they thought that was a good idea
Ask them next time. I share the sentiment that extra two dollar a pop wasn't worth the "controversy"
>Ask them next time.
Not sure I'll ever meet them again. My college days are over, and they haven't been making tours in the last few years. The last time I've met them in person was on that big lan party I've just mentioned, and I'm pretty sure that was 2018, or maybe 2019.
IF I'll see them speaking public somewhere again, I will be sure to ask though.
>Recently, I've been to a major game studies convention. Academic event, where you'd expect some dignity... there was CHAIN of "lectures" specifically dedicated to condemning Factorio for being "the worst example of white, capitalist disease".
Produce source or I will not believe you.
>Produce source or I will not believe you.
Consider yourself a non-believer then. My conscience is clean, I think the CEEGS reference really should give you enough to know I'm not making shit up.
Incredibly based
I wonder how much it did effect the makeup of the fanbase, considering the whole cancelling attempt did jack shit, maybe because fake fans didn't bother buying the game.
Community they potentially made with that "no sales" move might be worth more than the money they could get.
>considering the whole cancelling attempt did jack shit,
Honestly, all of the "big" controversies they caused (and there were several) were always absolutely trivial to the real fricking problem they have been facing - and that is mass harassement from eco-fanatics.
Wube (namely, Kovařík) got themselves into social media controveries repeatedly. First time when Kovařík commented on the big Pewdiepie controversy, saying that threatening to sue streamers and youtubers is a HORRIBLE idea - that was the first twitter "cancel" campaign against them.
Then again with the uncle sam and "shoving your cancel culture up your ass", and later the "what the frick is statutory rape" comment too.
And finally when they pissed off the Ruskies accidentally, when they during a price-adjustment, they placed the decimal wrong and caused the game to temporarily cost 100x more than it was supposed to. Which would not be a big deal if it had not happend around the same time the Ukraine war started, and Wube expressed clear support for Ukraine.
The ruskies thought the price hike was a provocation, and another massive raid was born...
But none of this actually caused the studio much grief. The eco-fanatics, on the other hand... they have been literally bombarding them with death threats for a DECADE, even repeately physically attacked them during lectures and shit. On both of the meetings I have with them, someone tried to interupt the meeting, usually some screaming young girl making so much ruckus that the security had to kick her out.
It's absolutely crazy how much insanity Factorio is triggering in the eco-obsessed crowd all over the world. Recently, I've been to a major game studies convention. Academic event, where you'd expect some dignity... there was CHAIN of "lectures" specifically dedicated to condemning Factorio for being "the worst example of white, capitalist disease".
>It's absolutely crazy how much insanity Factorio is triggering in the eco-obsessed crowd all over the world.
i'm gonna need some sauce on these claims. i habeeb it but seems a little far-fetched.
>i'm gonna need some sauce on these claims. i habeeb it but seems a little far-fetched.
Can't give you much without risking my own privacy compromised... but I can refer you to the program of the CEEGS 2023 event (took place few months ago in Leibtzig), which should be online somewhere, and in particular, to the "disembodied white masculinity" workshop and the whole "greening videogames" panel, and the associated anotations. I won't link them myself because I'm really fricking lazy, but I'm confident they should be easy to find.
The rest of it... well, you are free to not believe me, all of it comes from my own direct personal interactions with Wube during lectures and meetups they participated on all over ČR. Including the famous mass lan party in Prague Technical library back in... god I don't remember anymore, something like 2018? It was tied to celebration to the game officially leaving EA, so I think that is 2018.
I won't blame you for not believing me. But I have no fricking reason to lie about this either.
6 months ago
Anonymous
https://www.macromedia-fachhochschule.de/de/lp/ceegs-2023-programme/
going by the program I suppose you're not actually making this up. wish I could find some transcripts, could use some rage today
6 months ago
Anonymous
>wish I could find some transcripts, could use some rage today
I'm actually very happy there aren't any transcripts or records.
Because I was there, and I did fricking rage at one point. And I'm glad that isn't on record of that anywhere, because it wasn't my best moment...
6 months ago
Anonymous
>And I'm glad that isn't on record of that anywhere, because it wasn't my best moment...
Never feel ashamed for standing up for what you believe in. These people only get away with what they do because they censor or shame into submission.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Never feel ashamed for standing up for what you believe in.
I'm not ashamed of standing up.
I'm ashamed of the fact that during that, losing control of my emotions, my argumentation started to really fricking lag. Half of what I said that day, I'm actually proud of. But the other half was... just poorly argued, genuinely, not a good line of reasoning. My blood was boiling, it's hard to focus on being diligent in your arguments, and I failed at that in the later half of my... counter-argumentation.
If I was an just one of the audience members that day, I'd disagree with myself on the later half of my own argumentation, if that makes any sense to you. Not a good look for me, I need to work on my temper, if I want to keep doing this shit (and I do, I genuinely want to keep being part of the Game Studies academia, because frick me - someone has to be in and call these c**ts out, so might as well be me.)
6 months ago
Anonymous
>I'd disagree with myself on the later half of my own argumentation, if that makes any sense to you.
i understand what you mean. part of the problem is that there are no real venues to express these opinions in good faith, so it just wells up in people until they explode. you do not have the chance to arrange a talk where you respectfully explain why you think the other presenters are wrong, for example. you're just relegated to the side lines
6 months ago
Anonymous
>so it just wells up in people until they explode.
Yeah. I've been recently on both sides of that situation, and it's never pleasant. It is hard to do, because as you said: There was no good faith in the argument of the speaker. He was insane, factually wrong most of the time, absolutely zealous and completely bigoted in all of his points, it was kinda surreal. Like - one of his points was that because games like Factorio or Satisfactory put no emphasis on gender or race of their protagonists, that is actually EVIDENCE OF THE WHITE SUPREMACIST, MALE, CAPITALIST, PLANET-DESTROYING INTENTIONS.
That was an argument that someone made on an academic ground. LACK of emphasis on race and gender proves their sexist, racist intentions.
So yeah, when you see your opponent argue in very bad faith, it is very hard to pace yourself and not fall into the same trap.
Because when you hear that kind of shit, every single cell in your body just wants to scream: "Are you FRICKING SHITTING ME YOU IDIOT?!"
Keeping your own line of reasoning dignified and more importantly, properly reasoned and supported is... tough.
With that said - this wasn't the only time I got into conflict over poor, left-wing saturated bullshit, and I thought that would just end up in me making more enemies, but... no.
The guy I very harshly criticized later on actually sought me out, we sat down with a couple of drinks, talked it all through, he was willing to back down on several points, he made reasonable criticism towards my points which I had to conciede too (again - arguing well is a skill one never stops learning), and we actually ended up on a very friendly note.
So not everyone one left-wing is just a zealot cretin, some of them are more open to fair arguments than you'd think.
Some are just shitstains though.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>The guy I very harshly criticized later on actually sought me out, we sat down with a couple of drinks, talked it all through, he was willing to back down on several points, he made reasonable criticism towards my points which I had to conciede too (again - arguing well is a skill one never stops learning), and we actually ended up on a very friendly note.
The good ending. World peace is achievable. We're all gonna make it
6 months ago
Anonymous
>>The guy I very harshly criticized later on actually sought me out, we sat down with a couple of drinks, talked it all through, he was willing to back down on several points, he made reasonable criticism towards my points which I had to conciede too (again - arguing well is a skill one never stops learning), and we actually ended up on a very friendly note.
I'm too cynical to believe he was being genuine.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>I'm too cynical to believe he was being genuine.
I'm not. We exchanged a mail or two - it's a good habit to have people to consult on your ongoing papers with, I've seen his latest draft and it tonned down the things I've criticized a lot.
But this guy wasn't completely mental from the get-go. Unlike the "disembodied white masculinity" creature, this guy - he was italian I think, and he was focused on subject of accessibility in games - had a mixture of good, and a few VERY bad points. From the start - he wasn't one-sidedly stupid, his speech wasn't pure propaganda, it had focus, it was right on some things - it's just that when it was wrong, it was very wrong.
I was pretty vocal about what I thought was bad, but from the get-go, I saw him as a potentially decent fella because again, not everything he was saying was wrong. I still felt like I've antagonized him a bit too much during my feedback, so when he actively contacted me and offered an option to talk it out in detail, it was a very nice suprise and as I said, turned out to be a viable contact.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Oh, that's nice. I hope he manages to write good stuff.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Oh, that's nice. I hope he manages to write good stuff.
We'll see. I still consider his entire area of focus to be... somewhat questionable. I mean - in theory, accessibility in games is a fair and important subject. I have no issue with things like making color-blind mode a routine option in games, but I also think his specific focus - which was on people with reading disabilities - is a bit too narrow, trying to solve a problem that is not big enough to be worth the effort to solve it.
For an example: I do understand a point he made, that people with disorders like dyslexia could be accomodated better, especially in text heavy games. One of the propositions he made was to offer an option to switch the game's default fonts to dyslexia-friendly fonts (some fonts are provably more aggrivating dyslexia than others).
I understand it, because I suffer from dyslexia. I also think this isn't a venture worth persuing because as a person with dyslexia, I never EVER found myself going "damn, if only I wasn't dyslexic, I would be able to play this game." I have the condition, I play MOSTLY text-heavy games, I make my living reading and writing shit - dyslexia may be annoying, but I don't think it ever REALLY affected someone's enjoyment of a game to a meaningful degree.
So while this point of his wasn't wrong or bad, I still think it's not particularly valuable either.
He had some other proposed solutions, which were terrible, but those are the ones he seemed to have toned down or abandoned after our exchange.
Or at least, he did not include them in the draft he send me recently.
With all that said - this guy was also a level designer at a smaller studio, he only "dabbled" in GS. I don't think I've played any of his games, so I can't judge how good he was at that.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Could be worse - he could be researching monetization
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Could be worse - he could be researching monetization
God now. Now that you mention it - that was one of the few things that were generally well debated during the conference: there was quite a few speeches on the subject of monetization, and those were generally some of the most sane ones. There was a lot of criticism, and genuinely constructive suggestions to regulate it, when it came to predatory monetization practices.
So they got that shit straight, at least, it was like one of the rare things everyone could agree on and be constructive about.
6 months ago
Anonymous
it's a shame that video games as an industry are a meme in germany, prohibitive taxes and all official support going into ""educational"" and ""eco-friendly"" games is just such a waste
the non-Summer Game Fest part of this year's gamescom was a joke
6 months ago
Anonymous
I heard Europe is only now ramping up with ESG, fashionably late as usual. All the while at the source its about to crash and burn
6 months ago
Anonymous
>"disembodied white masculinity" >"greening videogames"
seeing shit like that makes me wanna vomit. its literally Ganker tier raging at fictional ""problems"" paraded as (pseudo)science so useless people can meet at useless conventions to pat each others back (and wasting tons of money)
6 months ago
Anonymous
postmodernism and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. it incentives whoever can make the most impenetrable word salad; real "emperor's new clothes" type shit
6 months ago
Anonymous
witnessed for unbreakable truth
6 months ago
Anonymous
>seeing shit like that makes me wanna vomit.
You and me both. Except I have to deal with these people on a professional level.
>lead environmental/narrative designers for Horizon Zero Dawn/Forbidden West, and one of the lead writers for from Larian studios
just the titles are oozing woke already
>just the titles are oozing woke already
Actually, both of them were really good. I expected bullshit, but no - they were very reasonable, very nice girls, both of them, their lessons were genuinely highlights of the program.
The (former) Guerrilla Games woman mostly spoke about the actual process of research, proposition, production, and itteration involved. She was weird as frick and at one point, went on a 20 minute tangent about how looms work, and why she is really depressed she can't get one implemented into a game... in general she was really obsessive about fabric culture, but also, extremely knowledgeable.
The mixture of her extreme nerdiness about various native cultures, especially about subjects like embroidery, fabric and pottery patterns and so on, with a ton of very informative, pragmatic info on the reality of game development was honestly endearing as hell.
I never played Horizon, so I can't judge the... results of her work, but I know her input was specifically limited to the environments, not ANY of the writing or story beyond that communicated by things like architecture, clothing, clutter objects, city-layouts.
The Larian girl... I missed a good portion of her lecture, but what I caught was all about professional writing habits and strategies, most of it was good advice, as well as - again - development pipeline details.
For what I've seen, none of them was woke or pushing any agenda. In fact the Guerrilla girl was everything but - especially her her clear passion for very, very girly subjects, and very conservative cultures.
>>It's absolutely crazy how much insanity Factorio is triggering in the eco-obsessed crowd all over the world. Recently, I've been to a major game studies convention. Academic event, where you'd expect some dignity... there was CHAIN of "lectures" specifically dedicated to condemning Factorio for being "the worst example of white, capitalist disease".
I would like some source on that as well. One would expect to actually see a thread about this on Ganker or something.
>I would like some source on that as well.
CEEGS - or "Central and Eastern European Game Studies Conference" is a pretty well established event by this point, actually, and finding info on it online should be really easy.
But it is an ACADEMIC event. People who study/research game studies, and active developers participate, no wider public is invited. You won't find people talking about it here because it has no marketing or popularization profile, it's literally for people who study Game Studies as a field, and for developers who are interested in interacting with the field. Since neither devs nor academicians actually doing research in Games Studies tend to post here, it would rather obviously go entirely under Ganker's radar.
But again: google the event name and year and you'll see I'm not bullshitting you.
Here is another little piece of evidence.
I can tell you that the keynote speakers during this year were one of the lead environmental/narrative designers for Horizon Zero Dawn/Forbidden West, and one of the lead writers for from Larian studios.
Again, cross-reference with the event's program and you'll see - it's very unlikely I'd be making this shit up.
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>lead environmental/narrative designers for Horizon Zero Dawn/Forbidden West, and one of the lead writers for from Larian studios
just the titles are oozing woke already
6 months ago
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Curious. Also curious is that some far western devs are involved in those talks.
For a moment I was worried it was affecting Czechia, but then I discovered it's a actually Germany, figures.
6 months ago
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>For a moment I was worried it was affecting Czechia, but then I discovered it's a actually Germany, figures.
Well, while most Czechs I've met there were fine, I can unfortunately tell you that the by-far-biggest-c**t at the whole event was a guy from Prague.
In general, Czech Rep tends to be fairly resistant to this kind of ideological bullshit. And VAST majority of the bullshit was very specifically from German speakers. Suprigingly, the scandinavians, and unsurprisingly, people from countries like Poland or Estonia and such, were on the saner side.
The few people from west, including the keynote speakers, and a bunch of french devs that for some reason came - those were mostly fine. One Russian girl too - she was my favorite person there.
Germans were mostly complete fricking idiots, and as mention, to my own great shame, there was this one Czech c**t that was making my whole country look bad.
By the way, when he later send me a bunch of papers that were supposedly proving me wrong, one of them was - I shit you not, actually a hidden NFT add masquerading as an academic paper.
Once again - I WISH I was making this shit up.
6 months ago
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>I shit you not, actually a hidden NFT add masquerading as an academic paper.
Ah, the grifter. These people aren't there because of morals (might be different with native Germans who probably were a majority there, so they could be the common idiot type), but for money - either by selling bullshit or by getting clout and getting a job.
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>Ah, the grifter.
Yeah, but the thing is: that guy is paid by a major fricking university, he is literally paid to teach people about games as a medium, to publish papers of his own.
It's not just a grifter - it's a grifter with reputation and title of a genuine expert on the subject. In fact one of the very few people in čr that has the acreditation to teach game studies as a academic discipline.
And that is what fricking gets to me.
As for morals... I genuinely believe that to be a bigoted Marxist (as he was) - you either have to be actually ignorant of your own sources, or you have to be a c**t, there is no other way.
This guy was obviously a c**t. But a fricking fervent one, and more alarmingly, in the context of the field, not an insignificant person.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I'm pretty sure literally sending you an ad could be something you notify his employers about
6 months ago
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>I'm pretty sure literally sending you an ad could be something you notify his employers about
Never thought of doing that because I find that kind of stuff really dickish, but the issue was that this "add" was still published in a academic paper, so he could always dispute it that if it passed peer review, it counts as a valid academic source.
It's just the whole thing - that a openly hostile marxist butthole who exclusively expresses himself through accusations of racism, classism and sexism, also was fricking in on the whole NFT scam and went out of his way to advocate it - I found that fascinatingly telling about what kind of person he was.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Zkurvení Pražáci ty vole, co by člověk taky čekal
6 months ago
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>Zkurvení Pražáci ty vole, co by člověk taky čekal
No... ono je taky pravda, že CEEGS jako konferenci (která má dneska fakt docela velkou prestiž, viz seznam keynote speakerů tento rok) založil původně taky jeden člověk z Prahy. Nebudu jmenovat, ale znám ho, je to výborný chlap. Úzce napojený na lidi ze starého dobrého Levelu.
But let's switch to more universally understandable language. If you are interested in this subject in earnest - Czech republic does not have an official Game Studies department, anywhere in the country. The guy who founded CEEGS is one of the people trying to establish it, along side a small but notable group of prague-based scholars from other countries. And safe for that particular NFT c**t, there are some very good people involved. It makes a lot of sense, honestly, given Czech game development legacy. We have TON of extremely skilled and experienced developers in ČR, we used to have great gaming journalism at one point (seriously people like Herodes, Rybka, Macura, hell, Vávra when he isn't being stupid on twitter can write pretty well. These people used to be top level gaming journalists back in the day, and still are involved in the industry - it's a perfect environment to form a decent game studies department. I have high hopes for the whole venture... and if it's going to happen, I'm pretty sure it is going to happen in Prague.
We just need to get rid of the few... really inappropriate influences.
6 months ago
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Yeah man, I'm just taking a piss out of Praguers, they alright. Except when they're not, they take it to extremes >we used to have great gaming journalism at one point
You heard that PČR launched an investigation of Anastasov? Charged him with pimping, the old bald c**t
6 months ago
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>You heard that PČR launched an investigation of Anastasov? Charged him with pimping, the old bald c**t
Holy shit, I had no fricking idea, and I'm laughing my ass off, thanks for that nugget!
I grew up in the game mag war of the 90's. I was always a stouch Level kid. We used to hate Score readers with a passion back in the mid-90's school yard battlefield. We - the superior Level fanboy race, thought Score was always sleazy, cheap, sensational, and vulgar, while Level was clearly the intellectual, profound choice.
So seeing this makes my inner child SOOOO fricking validated, you have no idea. After 20 fricking years, my 8th grade school yard criticism that Score feels like something a only a complete sleazeball would direct - is finally vindicated! I was right the whole fricking time.
6 months ago
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Damn dude, I'm quite a bit younger than you. I pretty much grew up with LEVEL and Score side by side and didn't really care for the lingering antagonism. The more vidya, the better, and just reach synthesis of both worlds
Made me dig up some of my well-secured treasures and savour the nostalgia
6 months ago
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>I pretty much grew up with LEVEL and Score side by side and didn't really care for the lingering antagonism.
Kids like to make hiearchies, engage in tribalism. Just look at most Ganker... It was stupid, of course. >Made me dig up some of my well-secured treasures and savour the nostalgia
God I remember that issue well, that TibSun review is burned into my memory, even where the small little windos with details on selected individual units were.
>Recently, I've been to a major game studies convention. Academic event, where you'd expect some dignity... there was CHAIN of "lectures" specifically dedicated to condemning Factorio for being "the worst example of white, capitalist disease".
Produce source or I will not believe you.
>the security had to kick her out
that's how it should be done. next time ecolunatics cause trouble, they should just tell them to "untick the pollution" if they cant handle the bugs lol
This whole argument goes down the drain when you consider that they RAISED the price of the game, however. If they know that reducing the price will be beneficial, but don't want to keep their word, then why the hell would they RAISE the fricking price? This makes no sense at all and throws your entire interpretation of the facts in the trash can.
>then why the hell would they RAISE the fricking price?
I honestly have no clue. I said it before, I'll said it again: I don't understand that move, I think it was stupid. I agreed with them up till that point, but I can't explain or justify this decision. And again - since the last time I saw them was 5 years ago... I did not have an option to ask.
>considering the whole cancelling attempt did jack shit,
Honestly, all of the "big" controversies they caused (and there were several) were always absolutely trivial to the real fricking problem they have been facing - and that is mass harassement from eco-fanatics.
Wube (namely, Kovařík) got themselves into social media controveries repeatedly. First time when Kovařík commented on the big Pewdiepie controversy, saying that threatening to sue streamers and youtubers is a HORRIBLE idea - that was the first twitter "cancel" campaign against them.
Then again with the uncle sam and "shoving your cancel culture up your ass", and later the "what the frick is statutory rape" comment too.
And finally when they pissed off the Ruskies accidentally, when they during a price-adjustment, they placed the decimal wrong and caused the game to temporarily cost 100x more than it was supposed to. Which would not be a big deal if it had not happend around the same time the Ukraine war started, and Wube expressed clear support for Ukraine.
The ruskies thought the price hike was a provocation, and another massive raid was born...
But none of this actually caused the studio much grief. The eco-fanatics, on the other hand... they have been literally bombarding them with death threats for a DECADE, even repeately physically attacked them during lectures and shit. On both of the meetings I have with them, someone tried to interupt the meeting, usually some screaming young girl making so much ruckus that the security had to kick her out.
It's absolutely crazy how much insanity Factorio is triggering in the eco-obsessed crowd all over the world. Recently, I've been to a major game studies convention. Academic event, where you'd expect some dignity... there was CHAIN of "lectures" specifically dedicated to condemning Factorio for being "the worst example of white, capitalist disease".
I fricking wish I was making this shit up.
>then why the hell would they RAISE the fricking price?
Maybe they raised the price so they could have sales that sell it at a "reduced" price of what the game used to be, that way they get the extra money from people who go "oh look a sale" while feeling like they dont betray the original buyers by not going back on their word to have it cheaper than 20 bucks.
So they are raising the price in order to sell it to the same price as before but with a big -50% next to it and being able to claim moral highground of never having gone below original price. Might be a pretty clever move
>Maybe they raised the price so they could have sales that sell it at a "reduced" price of what the game used to be
I don't want to speculate. Best I can tell you is: the inflation panic was especially bad in Czech Rep. In the long term, Czechia is economically really fricked, having some of the highest prices relative to average income in Europe - that was a problem BEFORE both the energy crisis, and the recent inflation crisis too. So when that inflation prediction appeared, the already bled-to-death public went AWOL. People were just sick of it.
Maybe that general massive outburst of frustration also affected Wube people, and they just wanted to feel some justice being done for once.
But... even if that is the case, it's no excuse in my mind. I know for a fact that Wube has more money then they could spend in their lifetime, these people are SET. So they should be the last ones to give into the frustrations, they are among the few % of Czech population that don't CARE about inflation, realistically.
I don't like this move, and I don't understand it. I love the studio, in person the people were great, everything they have done up till that point was 100% fair and genuinely kinda admirable - but I will not try to excuse this inflation price increase, I just plain disagree with it, I'm convinced it was a bad move by all accounts.
>And going back on their word
Or you know, just admitting you're wrong like a sane fricking human being. That's what normal human beings would call it.
It's a good game, cry some more.
You're probably just mad the devs told your ilk that cancel culture is garbage. Enjoy Satisfactory I guess, with its limited map and far worse optimization.
>Enjoy Satisfactory I guess, with its limited map and far worse optimization.
I play both. Satisfactory isn't bad, and suprisingly well optimized for how it looks. It's main issues lie elsewhere... it's just not nearly as tight, and it has a major issue with finding ballance between convenience and involvement. Later game larger construction projects just take way too much time because placing shit in 3D is just slower, and you don't have shit like blueprints and bots to speed up the process. So late game builds end up just taking HOURS to set up, which becomes tedious. There needs to be a ballance between how much time you spend designing things, and how much you spend just manually building, and late-game Satisfactory misses that mark.
Frankly, out of all the Factorio clones out there, I think Capitain of Industry is the best, or at least has most potential. To me it has a perfect mixture of being 3D, but not tedious to build in, plus the terraforming and colony management elements are cool.
>Sucks that CoI is still a bit of a sleeper.
As far as I can tell, the studio is getting by fine. It's not a break-out title but they seem to have steady income and more than enough to keep developing.
They actually got a lot of money even before the game went on steam.
But yeah, it does not get as much attention as I would like it to get, I think it's genuinely one of the best of the whole Factorio subgenre. I enjoy it a lot more than Satisfactory or DSP both. Not even mentioning games like Factory Town.
Haven't tried Timberborn yet though.
>Haven't tried Timberborn yet though.
Timberborn didn't really grab me, it's not that different from other colony sims. Oxygen Not Included is definitely worth a play if you haven't though. There's a huge emphasis on automation and you'll end up with pipe, duct, and conveyor spaghetti late game. Art style seems to be love or hate but I like it; it gives the moronic midgets you'll rage about some charm.
once upon a time it was cheap as frick in my third world currency but I still didn't bought it. I don't like their attitude towards sales. Same israeliteness with nintendo. gog-games is your friend
Amazing how nobody says that they are going to buy the game. It's literally chuds simping for the company who jump to their rescue only and people calling them out. There is no genuine interest in this game, what a disaster.
You do realize the game sold 3.5 million copies and for two years, used to have highest user score rating of all games on steam (until an organized raid of valve-fanboys got together to inflate user-reviews scores on Portal 1 to dethrone it), right?
>going to buy
The game has been out for years you dumb Hispanic. I understand you are allergic to the idea of paying a normal price for something, but that doesn't change that the price is fair.
What other media products rises with inflation? Even Nintendo doesn't raise its MSRPs without remastering the game.
If you want to charge more for a game, FRICKING MAKE A NEW GAME. You can even release a tech demo in Early Access and people will buy "that game by the Factorio guys."
>Nintendo >FRICKING MAKE A NEW GAME
It should have some limits. Selling you the "same" game twenty times (for full price) is more offensive than bumping price up 2 bucks, plus it doesn't affect previous buyers in any way.
>that is both full 3D
if it's first person, it's shit. i don't care how they think they are going to fix the problem, it fundamentally doesn't work. i've played almost all of the FP factory games and they are invariably tedious shit because you lose control of your mouse for UI interaction, not to mention that most struggle with having coherent or useful blueprints
yeah it's the worst offender. placing shit is annoying but i admittedly haven't tried the new nudge mode. still seems like it would be annoying. other 3d games are fine, like dyson sphere or captan of industry, because you can freely adjust the camera, and both or more or less cheating a 3d feel on a 2d grid you build on
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err "both are more or less"
>repost of (a screeencap of just the headline of) an article from fricking january >330 bumps
>you lose control of your mouse for UI interaction
This has been a solved problem in industry for 30 years; when will someone please shill 6dof controllers to the masses?
Hey, you want the ultimate in awful fricking UI? Play Astroneer. >Menus are physical objects that can be blocked by objects >EVERYTHING given 'smoothed' motion so it takes a second to line up with where you're aiming/dragging to >Inventory is a physical backpack that you can click on to open at any time, including when MINING with the MOUSE in a THIRD PERSON GAME >Backpack crafting system is scrolled through using physical buttons on it or WASD/arrow keys... which still make you walk while it's open, so you have to hold one in the other direction to avoid edging towards/away from things >Camera absolutely despises anything getting between it and you
>inflation
The dev must adhere to moron politics given that it's been well documented and even straight up stated by companies that price hikes are artificial and because they can and not because of inflation. Either that or he's doing the same thing but less honestly.
You're pissing in the wind here, dude. Of course people are going to be combative if you make a redundant thread on a topic that has been worn out like this. What do you think internet strangers are going to jerk you off because you're cranky a niche autist only game isn't going to be on sale?
>wailing about not being able to save money on a game that's a fricking bargain if it's your type of game >calling other people israelites
Whatever, moshe, I bet you fish pennies out of fountains.
It's good for them to try to compensate for inflation by increasing the price of a game released 10 years ago, but in 99.9% of games this kind of strategy will cause revenues to fall and with less money coming in, and inflation rising, the measure will be counterproductive.
Of course, Factorio is a different product, it's not one of those games that sells 90% of its copies in the first two weeks because it's pushed by marketing, so maybe they're getting results, but it's very likely that they won't, actually, and that they'd get more results if they cut the price considerably now that the DLC is approaching, but who knows...
factorio is the gold standard, so I'm sure they're making more money after the price increase. shit, /vg/egg/ might as well be named "factorio plus a few other games we discuss in bursts when they update"
factorio hater has been seething for maybe half a decade at this point, all points of time where they cannot buy factorio without a sale is the same point in time in their eyes
So is factario as addictive as some anons claim?
i like building games, i'm kind of burned out on anno 1800 and i want another game to play while listening to podcasts&watch shows.
It's very much a "one more turn" type of game. Where instead of turns, its things to do. Personally, I find the early game a bit slow, and then once I'm a few hours in and really going I find myself at it for many hours at a time without realizing it. This is also after 1000 hours.
It's an either or.
If you have some degree of a 'tism about efficiency, increasing complexity or number go up, it's ogre you'll have a million billion hours.
If you're of sane mind you'll say it's boring shit and stop playing.
Periodically put money in SPY(alternatively into global index of sorts) and do nothing else.
If USA survives, good, you get cash for retirement
If USA collapses, you will have different problems anyway.
>People are STILL b***hing about a game that isn't even 40 bucks >A game that is literal crack for autists
You guys are actually moronic. The devs even encourage you to pirate it.
That's what I did and ended up buying it full price. No regrets.
I'm playing it RIGHT NOW.
You have only yourself to blame.
>hey this game will never go on sale >oh okay, so I can buy it without waiting around for no reason out of fear I could have paid less a week later
anybody interested in factorio already owns it
anybody not interested in it doesn't care about the price
Yeah, pretty weird how inflation can cause the game to raise in price but they apparently can't see any logic or reason in putting games on sale. Let alone a game that doesn't get regular content.
Devs who are emotiosocially moronic enough to be able to make a game like this can't understand that 'not having a sale ever' just hurts their sales, instead of trying to minmax some statistic in their management dashboard.
Am I secretly a genius or something? I did not find this game complicated at all. Tedious sometimes but I never thought 'damn, I can't figure out how to do this'
>Am I secretly a genius or something?
Nah. I mean - maybe you are, but your ability to deal with factorio isn't evidence of it.
I'm a literally certified mid-wit with a particularly low aptitude formal abstractive operations (e.g. the kinds of skills necessary to be good at math, engineering, programmings etc...) and I still launched my first rocket in like 40 hours without any guides or cheating.
The game has a couple of moments where it jumps up in complexity that can catch you off guard the first time you play, but overal, I think it's actually really normie-friendly.
I mean you can go super-autistic if you WANT to, but prime-case-midwits like me are still 100% capable of getting through the vanilla game with just basic effort. There is nothing I would find genuinely confusing or incomprehensible about the game... except for logic networks.
God logic networks make me so aware how limited my intellect is.
just buy it earlier
>it's on gog
It's a free game
exactly. Same with Rimworld which I've never bought either despite 1000s of hours playing it. As soon as they go 50% off I'll pick them both up.
Hell's gonna freeze over before Factorio has a sale
>>it's on gog
>It's a free game
What??
GoG versions are DRM free so he is talking about piracy.
THough all versions of the game are DRM free.
If you buy the game on steam and log into factorio site you can download the game files for free also. no need of steam.
It's a Steamie talking point.
Don't want to buy from Steam? W-well...don't buy from GOG either okay?! Just pirate it!!! Don't give Steam competitors money PLEASE
moron
gog-games.com
?
Steam games are free, too.
Gogies are just move convenienter.
Just pirate it. Also, stop playing hack games by hacks.
Should have stopped after the first sentence. Based devs don't give a shit about piracy.
And you really can't call them "hacks," either. Factorio's one of the most bug-free games I've ever played. I've been on the Experimental branch since 2016 and I've only seen ONE bug (some shadows overlapping incorrectly), shortly after a patch during the early access period, but when I finally quit the game to report it I was THREE patches behind. Those dudes will fix edge-case bugs that only happen when three obscure mods are used in tandem, just because they can.
Screech about the price all you want, but it's a fricking bulletproof piece of software.
Based af, that other anon got shat on hard by the truth.
I pirated factorio
had a great time
still didn't buy it
in my top 10
you should buy it, multiplayer is very alive but idk if online factorio is something Ganker is interested in. probably more fun with friends
i might co-op with someone i like but random online sounds moronic, imagine trying to play with blueprint autists
we could play together if you want
I despise metagays and only make my own contraptions
you can easily play multi with pirated copy like I did with my autistic gf using hamachi
>autistic GF
can you share your GF bro? Its
gf (male)
that sucks
I didn't want to completely derail, but the earlier reply you got is right, I decided to date a troony after 10 years of having been single
and I can trade because I am single again, the troony gf unsurprisingly turned out to be stellar for the first half a year and then went insane
still not insane to the point of chopping off her 10cm erect (not anymore lol) feminine dick, but still
I wish I had someone to play factorio with again too...
>autistic gf playing factorio
anon did you really think it wasn't a troony?
>hamachi
bros..
Only reason to buy it is to make modding a bit easier
can you play online on a pirated version without hamachi autism?
how is hamachi a problem, are you a fricking zoomer?
The host can allow people without accounts (pirates) to join if they want.
Open ports, moron
I only buy games from companies that dont employ trannies and have less than 20% (real) female staff.
otherwise i pirate or just ignore outright
I have never payed for a game in all my 30 years of life also never had sex
literally me. Im 29 tho
the dev is a greedy israelite just dont support him.
I got the game as a gift and I still left a negative review for that shit.
It's a bit of an autistic move, if anything. They're already millionnaires off Factorio, and most people who would have bought the game bought it already. Negative press for nothing.
wonderfully autistic, lol
Wow anon you're so intalagant, nobody figured that out before you. And yes, being the ONLY devs out there who increased the price of a digital game for that reason makes it a borderline autistic decision. Especially since sales are slow now compared to what they've already achieved.
Still haven't seen anyone say why this is a bad thing
>being the ONLY devs out there who increased the price of a digital game for that reason makes it a borderline autistic decision
Where is this lie coming from? A bunch of games increased in price over the last 4 years, especially in the form of having shallower sales.
>Especially since sales are slow now compared to what they've already achieved.
no shit
most of the people who would buy this game already did
>$35.37
>.37
So the dev IS selling his game cheaper to newbies after all. They don't deserve it. I paid full price so they need to pay every last cent too.
Factorio has some of the most dedicated fans of any game. Kovarex could put a baby in a blender and Factorio fans would cheer as long as it resulted in 0.5% UPS improvement.
>Make one single video game
>Get lucky that a certain group of autists enjoy it and keep making free advertising for it
>Milk it as long as possible
>Never work again and retire off your one single game
It really is as easy as "be lucky" in life. That's the one thing it takes to be rich and successful, Ganker, why haven't you just blasted out a bunch of garbage until something makes you rich?
work again
They're constantly working on Factorio
I don't think you get lucky like Factorio without being really good in the first place. The game is extremely well put together.
you don't need luck if you make a good game for a genre that you know still has a fanbase that also hasn't had a good game release in ages
basically, just make a good game and you'll make it
>Get lucky
they've been honing and perfecting a single game for over 10 years, obsessing over the most minute details to create the ultimate factory autismo sim
It's the "practise one kick 10,000 times" thing, there is no luck involved, it's objectively the best game of it's kind and will likely be never topped
> spend thousands of hours designing, building, and maintaining a well received game
> it just landing in my lap
idiot
>ChatGPT comes out
>friend uses it to make a self-help website
>makes thousands and thousands in commissions
>one chick even paid him $2500 to make a 'virtual boyfriend' prompt for her to chat to
>he's made $200k in a year, bought a house
>gunna milk it as long as he can and close up when it either dries up or gets regulated
yep, all it takes is jumping on something early and making that lucky break.
remember pic related sold almost 5 million copies at $15 each, and was made by one guy in his spare time over a couple of years
More like he made something that pleases a niche
Like the artists that make insane money off of commissions for the most disgusting shit, they don't even have to be great at drawing they just have a weirdly dedicated audience
>work your ass off
>it pays off
right, just luck
what a completely braindead takeaway.
You being a failure in life has nothing to do with being lucky
Anyone who's already bought the game doesn't want other people to get it cheaper.
Anyone who hasn't bought the game already, hasn't been waiting 7 years just for a sale.
>Anyone who's already bought the game doesn't want other people to get it cheaper.
lmao if you actually think like this you're an idiot
>Anyone who's already bought the game doesn't want other people to get it cheaper.
Why? Does it affect their enjoyment of the game in anyway? Is it some weird sort of gatekeeping or just jealousy?
>Why? Does it affect their enjoyment of the game in anyway?
Absolutely, are you insane? Poorgays ruin everything.
kind of wish i could un buy the game.
its been a year poorgay
get over it
What are you gonna do? It IS one of the best games of all time and they know it. Game's better than literally anything on the market with an $60+ pricetag.
>waaaaaah waaaaah why do prices fluctuate in a free market
Frick off, comie frick.
The value of the product does not fluctuate, israelite.
Every value is perceived. There is no such thing as objective, set value, moron.
>The value of the product does not fluctuate
But the value of money does.
Actually it does, as the game is still getting updated and people are making more and more complex mods
Why would people making mods for a game justify raising the games price
That anon said the value of the product does not increase. There are Factorio mods with millions of downloads and videos of modded gameplay with millions of views, contributing to more visibility of the game. Ipso facto, ongoing mod development increase the value of the game.
well they haven't sold anything in 7 years can you blame them?
It's $35. You homosexuals buy goyslop for $70.
>muh sale
now you don't have to wait, because there is no sale.
>GRRRRRR JUST LET ME RAISE THE PRICE ON A WHIM
>on a whim
you want them to send you a questionnaire or something? Your tampons get more expensive at the store ON A WHIM. Did you lose your shit embarrassingly there like this too?
>January 20
nice bait thread troony
>Paying for games
do zoomers really?
They don't, their parents do.
Just pirate it.
It's going to be $70 with the expansion and I'm going to enjoy all the salt you homosexuals will create when the pre-orders goes up.
wait, so a $35 game is going to have a $35 dlc?
Yes, Kovarex said the expansion will be "the same price as the base game" because it will have just as much content.
I love how people are seething about Factorio pricing literally for 10 years now...
>Yes, Kovarex said the expansion will be "the same price as the base game" because it will have just as much content.
That is honestly a really fricking bad wording though, because the development of Factorio never ceased. It's a game that has been continuously improved for 8 years.
Defining it's "volume of content" is incredibly nebulous, because it is going to be dictated by how long the post-release support will be, rather than what will be in the initial release package. It's just their model, they can't fricking help themselves, they are absurdly perfectionalist and never ever fricking manage to make that "enough is enough" call. Every time they thought they are happy with the final product - someone somewhere prompted them to find a flaw, or something to improve, and despite being exhausted and frankly, sick of the game, they just got back and continued to improve of add to it.
Everyone thought that the base game is done with the announcement of the expansion, but look how that turned out.
Hell, I've met the people 6 years ago. And back then, they were saying "We are just done, we are just going to wrap it up in the next half a year and move on, we don't want to add any more features, we'll just move on to purely technical support if needed." and well... here we are now, six years later, base game still getting major updates and improvements.
>$35 for him to rip off some mods
>rip off
They hired the guy
I got it super early
You missed a 7 year long sale. Not my problem
You c**ts will buy $100 goy slop or anime skins but not $35 for a 1000h game. Just pirate it you parisite
Do the French pirate a lot?
/v/casuals were bad because he told the truth.
No I don't. So frick off with your made up b.s.
>20$ for maybe 60 hours including the skipper cheevo
ehh
already have it
Bought it when it was on $20 dollar sale, never looked back. Your money is constantly devaluing, nothing good comes to those who wait. Spend it immediately when your paycheck clears or invest it in crypto.
>or invest it in crypto
Why do people feel entitled to something going on sale?
i wouldnt pay $5 if i can get it for free and play it within 10 minutes from now. propably less. literally not my problem
Why are the devs for this game and rimworld so autistic that they believe their shit should never go on sale? I pirated both games and they're fairly boring.
Why do you think they should go on sale?
If someone put their game on sale for $10 why would you ever buy it for more than $10 afterwards?
any bottom wanna play together?
How do you play Factorio as a bottom?
you do all the boring shit and I do all the fun stuff
boring stuff: biter control
fun stuff: building
>Developer makes an actual game with the knowledge that they have bills to pay and aren't making it for fun or just cause
Any indie dev worth their shit will realize they have to step it up if they want to be taken seriously. This is the price of wanting to make a career out of your supposed hobby.
January 2023 called, they want their bait back
All of this wouldn't be so bad if the dev's reason for not going on sale was the same AAA suit economical understanding and bullshit talk.
The only reason this price thing got any publicity at all is because Kovarex stood up to twitter trannies just weeks before this.
>why isn't the game going on sale? they need to lower the price after the best-by date!
You're moronic.
Based, they should raise the price again to $55. Price out the cucks sitting on the fence
If you haven't tipped them the difference between the price you paid and their bi-yearly raise, you have no argument. In fact, you should be forced to pay the difference or get your game access revoked.
So what? That just means more people will pirate it.
If they think their labour somehow went up in value over the years, they're free to price their autism simulator however they like, just like I'm free to take it for nothing elsewhere.
>If they think their labour somehow went up in value over the years
inflation dumbass
>Small bugfixes and accessibility changes every couple months
I don't think this is worthy of a price hike, it's not like they're expanding the game proper. But if they want to try coasting on its name by raising the price every few years because sugar is getting more expensive, then sure, but they have no right to complain when the beaners pirate it.
they spent a fricking year getting it to run on the switch
>they spent a fricking year getting it to run on the switch
And the payment for that is getting into the switch market. That has literally nothing to do with the PC price.
My post was only two words yet you still somehow managed not to read it
they should charge per hour.
If there is a single game worth the money on Steam, it's Factorio. People b***hing about the price obviously haven't played it. Everyone I know that has played ends up getting obsessed with it for a while and even finishes a playthrough. Even if you do that "never pay more than 20 bucks for a game" thing, this game qualifies under the inflation-adjusted amount.
https://fineleatherjackets.net/monkeyinflation
The moronic arguments people will make defending this truly...
://fineleatherjackets.net/monkeyinflation
>games are more than 2x the price
>hourly wages have gone up about 20% since game was released
>"its totally fine because its adjusted for inflation!!"
It should still be never spend more than 20 bucks for a videogame, 25 if feeling generous and adjusting for wages.
probably because they've been consistently adding content since they released on steam
Elsewhere this would be called "Early Access"
I don't own factorio, but the opposite ('free dlc') could be true also. Just because it's getting updated after release, does not mean it wasn't a finished game before that, despite what modern game devs would lead you to believe.
>content
how come every playthrough looks exactly the same? what are they adding? new rocks?
And? It's an indie game. Buy it.
>abloobloo
Buy it. Fund actual games, not AAA goyslop.
Anybody remember that indie shit game The Castle Doctrine from years and years ago?
It was put out by one of those self important indie devs during the time of like Fez and shit where indie devs tried to be internet rock stars on twitter and shit for attention.
Anyways. He said he'd never put the game on sale, and then when he finally did a few years back his post about it sounded absolutely defeated by the fact that nobody would buy his dead game for $15 and reduced it to $3 where I still think nobody bought it because he waited 10 years to put it on sale and it was never worth $15.
Man some indie devs are a bunch of c**ts.
Atleast factorio is an amazing game and is worth the full price.
Just buy it yesterday and it would actually be cheaper than now and initially because of biden I mean inflation
>Should I be angry with the 70 dollar, MTX ridden, Season Pass nickel and dimed AAA games?
>No, I will seethe at the autism simulator instead
OP, anyone who wanted to play Factorio bought or pirated it last decade.
Yeah, I hope they give you a kiss on your forehead or something, fricking fangirl.
I told you pirate it.
The problem with this thread is
>Screengrab of a new article
>an almost a year old news article
>about a game every Gankertard should know
>that has been in a playable state for almost a decade
If you are interested in the game, why haven't you bought it already?
If you bought it and didn't like it, why are you giving attention to it?
If you aren't interested in the game, why are you seething about Factorio in particular?
If you believe that this sets a precedent(which was set my mainstream games being raised to 70$), should your energy not be spend on the big players and not a niche indie developer?
this but unironically
its a shit bait thread about a game everyone has already either played or ignored 10 years ago
Claiming to raise the price because of muh inflation is worse than being honest and going "lol we're price hiking because we can" that all companies are doing now. At least they're not lying
Why does it have to be mutually exclusive? These guys are doing the same shit the AAA companies are with the exact same bullshit excuse. It doesn't fly for the bigger companies and it doesn't fly for them.
>He didn't buy early
Lmao, you missed the bullrun
It has no DRM, you're just paying for the ability to mod it
The devs actively encourage you to pirate the game
>$70 for 4 hours of AAA slop
🙂
>$35 for 500 hours of indie perfection
🙁
How many times are you going to make the same exact post in this thread? You autistic fanboy.
as many times as you Black folk complain about factorio
>Identical thread
🙂
>Identical posts
🙁
As many times as this exact thread is made would be my guess
I don't like that price increase stunt, yeah. But I do like factorio.
You could have bought it for $10 in early access, now look at you
another butthurt troony thread
>january 20, 2023
nice thread mr.bot
thank putin for causing the inflation
how much is it now? 35?
thats still 50% off
The people complaining about being gatekept are who the gate was made to keep out.
Everything is working as intended.
No one is complaining about being gatekept.
The pricing decision gatekeeps poorgays.
poorgays don't even buy games
they pirate
Yet they still complain
>false dichotomy
moron.
Prices fluctuate chuds.
Just save the extra money and buy it when you can afford it. A little price increase isn't the end of the world.
>WAAAAH BUT I'M A NEET OR MIN WAGE LOSER WITH NO MONEY
Then stop whiney and get a job or another one. Stop being useless in society.
Factorio is a certified Chud™ game, though
Devs know they are selling virtual crack
no need for sales.
The dev even helps people running the pirated version when they ask. All buying does is give you access to multiplayer and mods, which eventually get worked into the base game. Pirate it if you are poor.
OP is a third world poorgay seething over 35 dollars, constantly talking about how having to pay money for a game is israeli despite the fact the game can be played offline and has no DRM
Xhe's been seething about factorio for years at this point
>The dev even helps people running the pirated version when they ask.
Damn that's cool.
>Damn that's cool.
It's surprisingly common among slavs. You'll find that slav developers - especially people born in late 80's or early 90's, there are only two, both extreme, attitudes towards piracy.
They are either DEATHLY AFRAID of it (case in point, CDPR and their utterly misguided attempt to chase and sue pirates back in TW2 days), or their EXTREMELY ACCOMODATING to it - case in point, Icepick Lodge literally providing customer support and even uploading updates to their games - on the fricking torrent site forums. Wube falls squarely in the latter category.
The reason for this is simple.
Piracy used to be drastically more important and pronounced in eastern europe during the late 90's and early 2000's. Up till as late as 2008, when Steam started gearing up, bootleggers were the biggest distributors of games in most of eastern europe. I remember entire fricking malls - hundreds of vendors - selling bootlegged copies of games in Russia, Slovakia, and Romania.
Bootleggers eventually gave way to torrent sites, but the issue was still massive, basically market defining.
So... people raised in that environment either became horribly aware of how many sales are being "lost" to piracy, or themselves used to take heavy advantage of the piracy scenes in their youth, and thus felt like they have no right to judge others for it.
Given that Kovařík et all are around my age and come from my country, I'm sure around 90% of all games they played in their teens were either bootlegs or pirated copies, so they are understanding.
>can't afford 35 dollars
>internet too bad to pirate
>posts slop
yup, a poo, checks out
What do you mean it never goes on sale, i paid just 20€ for Factorio
based king.
I think I got it for like 25 euro myself
Neat, but I managed to snag it for £0.
If there are better alternatives, why do you make this thread every day seething instead of talking about the "alternatives"?
Just pirate it then
35 freedom bucks for an autism grind simulator?
you'd have to pay me to make me play this shit.
I honestly don't feel like they're israelites for charging $35 for their game. It's one of the best indie games out there imo, and it's downright addictive if you have autism
If you didn't pay 35, you should tip them the difference
Nah frick that I did like this anon
and paid something like 20 euros for it, tipping is for amerifats
So why should other people pay more than twenty for it, like?
>miss sale
>wtf why should i pay more, i want a new sale immediatly NOW!
>thinks Factorio is a skinnerbox
lol
lmao even
Just pirate it. It's drm-free, you can even play direct ip/LAN.
They are also lying, saying that they never have sales. I purchased it for $12 on early access. It is NOT worth $40.
Remember when this turbo israelite said that Factorio would never go on sale but in return you'd get the full experience with all future content being free?
no
Well, you should.
I don't remember them ever saying that. The DLC that was planned was always from day one going to be a paid expansion.
OTOH, I seem to remember reading years ago that the eventual Cuphead expansion was supposed to be free.
>Remember when this turbo israelite said that Factorio would never go on sale but in return you'd get the full experience with all future content being free?
Nope. That is actually very explicitly not what they said. They said that the game will never go on sale, but that they will promise to continue support it for many years, during which they will add more content and optimize for free. This was followed by list of shit they planned to implement, ending with nuclear power and the spidertron.
Then they explicitly stated thatIF they were to charge people again for something, it would have be a major expansion. Like - a masive game changing expansion. At the time of making that statement, however, they did not plan any such thing... though they did say the option will remain on the table.
The same statement also warned that once the currently promised set of features (including the spiderbot and nuclear) is implemented, the price of the game will be upped by 10 dollars. They anticipated that to happen in the next 2 years, and they will promise to give warning few months in advice.
The whole blog post in question was made in 2016. And in 2018, they did exactly what they promised to do: implement last major content updates including nuclear and the bot, and upped the price to 30.
Wube can be called a lot of things, but lack of transparency and honesty isn't among them. They were incredibly clear in their wording and they hold on to their words.
You shouldn't be allowed to boot up the game if you didn't pay the difference. The devs deserve it. It's the bare minimum!
Guess I'll just pirate it then.
I hope you appreciate the irony of you calling israelite others despite stomping your feet for a bunch of pennies
Sales are inherently a israeli trick to create artificial demand by manipulating morons into buying things the usually wouldn't.
A craftsman knows the value of his work and sets the price accordingly.
Don't want to pay full price? Pirate it, the devs don't give a shit, it has no DRM. They alredy made a hundred million dollars, they're set for life
These brainwashed morons probably fall for $(X-1).99 pricing scams, too.
>Sales are inherently a israeli trick to create artificial demand by manipulating morons into buying things the usually wouldn't.
The funniest thing is - Wube themselves admitted that they are actually losing money on the whole "no sale policy".
They originally implemented it based on completely wrong estimation of the game's potential market. They assumed the game has extremely limited audience, predicted sale numbers in orders of 100k copies through out the game's life-span.
And that made them afraid that a sale would canibalize the market, which was already barely large enough for them to pay for the previous 4 years of development.
This was INCREDIBLY WRONG. But... by the time they realized this, they already made the declaration that the game will never go on sale.
And going back on their word - despite the fact that at that point they knew a sale would just boost their profits a ton - felt wrong to the people who bought it full price assuming that is the best the deal will ever get.
So they stuck to the no sale policy not to make more money - in fact they consciously continued to lower their own profits - out of sense of moral obligation to people who already bought it assuming that is the best price they'll ever get.
that makes them even more based, a company that keepss their word is harder to find than a black cat in a coal cellar
They are... fascinating. The entire backstory behind the game is fascinating too. Having met them - more than once actually, and having heard the whole story of how Factorio came to being, including the time they managed to get themselves banned from about every single major gaming forum in existence, and the time they failed their crowd sourcing endeavor, decided to bury the whole game, genuinely quitting and releasing the game's alpha for free because... they were done, gave up, so might as well give away the bare-bones alpha away so that perhaps someone might have fun with it....
Everything about them is interesting, and quite relatable. But they are - at least the two core founding members, Kovařík and Kozelek - absolutely somewhere on the spectrum.
I mean the whole game - and the team - was formed when these two guys, both working as programmers for some big software developer, bonded over a shared passion for... fricking software optimization.
I am not making this shit up. That is their shared passion. And sharing that obsession with making code more efficient made them friends, and Factorio as a concept was born out of the idea to distill that passion, that "thrill" of optimization, into a videogame form.
And that is fricking surreal. Also, they chilled out a lot over the years, but in the early days of Factorio development, they had working ethic that would make young Carmack look like a god damn slacker. Before the crowd sourcing attempt that failed, and then succeded later, they used to work 10 hours a day, 7 days a week, for 2 years straight.
I love the guys. Even if I don't agree with everything they do (I myself find the "inflation" price hike absurd and needlessly antagonizing, I have no idea why they thought that was a good idea).
There is record of all of this, actually. You just have to dig a bit in 2017's Portal subreddit.
>passion for... fricking software optimization
i get it, i write code for a living and if i had infinite time i'd spend week rewriting the same shit over and over again trying to get as close as i can get to perfection
>I have no idea why they thought that was a good idea
Ask them next time. I share the sentiment that extra two dollar a pop wasn't worth the "controversy"
>Ask them next time.
Not sure I'll ever meet them again. My college days are over, and they haven't been making tours in the last few years. The last time I've met them in person was on that big lan party I've just mentioned, and I'm pretty sure that was 2018, or maybe 2019.
IF I'll see them speaking public somewhere again, I will be sure to ask though.
>Produce source or I will not believe you.
Consider yourself a non-believer then. My conscience is clean, I think the CEEGS reference really should give you enough to know I'm not making shit up.
Unfathomably based
Incredibly based
I wonder how much it did effect the makeup of the fanbase, considering the whole cancelling attempt did jack shit, maybe because fake fans didn't bother buying the game.
Community they potentially made with that "no sales" move might be worth more than the money they could get.
>considering the whole cancelling attempt did jack shit,
Honestly, all of the "big" controversies they caused (and there were several) were always absolutely trivial to the real fricking problem they have been facing - and that is mass harassement from eco-fanatics.
Wube (namely, Kovařík) got themselves into social media controveries repeatedly. First time when Kovařík commented on the big Pewdiepie controversy, saying that threatening to sue streamers and youtubers is a HORRIBLE idea - that was the first twitter "cancel" campaign against them.
Then again with the uncle sam and "shoving your cancel culture up your ass", and later the "what the frick is statutory rape" comment too.
And finally when they pissed off the Ruskies accidentally, when they during a price-adjustment, they placed the decimal wrong and caused the game to temporarily cost 100x more than it was supposed to. Which would not be a big deal if it had not happend around the same time the Ukraine war started, and Wube expressed clear support for Ukraine.
The ruskies thought the price hike was a provocation, and another massive raid was born...
But none of this actually caused the studio much grief. The eco-fanatics, on the other hand... they have been literally bombarding them with death threats for a DECADE, even repeately physically attacked them during lectures and shit. On both of the meetings I have with them, someone tried to interupt the meeting, usually some screaming young girl making so much ruckus that the security had to kick her out.
It's absolutely crazy how much insanity Factorio is triggering in the eco-obsessed crowd all over the world. Recently, I've been to a major game studies convention. Academic event, where you'd expect some dignity... there was CHAIN of "lectures" specifically dedicated to condemning Factorio for being "the worst example of white, capitalist disease".
I fricking wish I was making this shit up.
>It's absolutely crazy how much insanity Factorio is triggering in the eco-obsessed crowd all over the world.
i'm gonna need some sauce on these claims. i habeeb it but seems a little far-fetched.
>i'm gonna need some sauce on these claims. i habeeb it but seems a little far-fetched.
Can't give you much without risking my own privacy compromised... but I can refer you to the program of the CEEGS 2023 event (took place few months ago in Leibtzig), which should be online somewhere, and in particular, to the "disembodied white masculinity" workshop and the whole "greening videogames" panel, and the associated anotations. I won't link them myself because I'm really fricking lazy, but I'm confident they should be easy to find.
The rest of it... well, you are free to not believe me, all of it comes from my own direct personal interactions with Wube during lectures and meetups they participated on all over ČR. Including the famous mass lan party in Prague Technical library back in... god I don't remember anymore, something like 2018? It was tied to celebration to the game officially leaving EA, so I think that is 2018.
I won't blame you for not believing me. But I have no fricking reason to lie about this either.
https://www.macromedia-fachhochschule.de/de/lp/ceegs-2023-programme/
going by the program I suppose you're not actually making this up. wish I could find some transcripts, could use some rage today
>wish I could find some transcripts, could use some rage today
I'm actually very happy there aren't any transcripts or records.
Because I was there, and I did fricking rage at one point. And I'm glad that isn't on record of that anywhere, because it wasn't my best moment...
>And I'm glad that isn't on record of that anywhere, because it wasn't my best moment...
Never feel ashamed for standing up for what you believe in. These people only get away with what they do because they censor or shame into submission.
>Never feel ashamed for standing up for what you believe in.
I'm not ashamed of standing up.
I'm ashamed of the fact that during that, losing control of my emotions, my argumentation started to really fricking lag. Half of what I said that day, I'm actually proud of. But the other half was... just poorly argued, genuinely, not a good line of reasoning. My blood was boiling, it's hard to focus on being diligent in your arguments, and I failed at that in the later half of my... counter-argumentation.
If I was an just one of the audience members that day, I'd disagree with myself on the later half of my own argumentation, if that makes any sense to you. Not a good look for me, I need to work on my temper, if I want to keep doing this shit (and I do, I genuinely want to keep being part of the Game Studies academia, because frick me - someone has to be in and call these c**ts out, so might as well be me.)
>I'd disagree with myself on the later half of my own argumentation, if that makes any sense to you.
i understand what you mean. part of the problem is that there are no real venues to express these opinions in good faith, so it just wells up in people until they explode. you do not have the chance to arrange a talk where you respectfully explain why you think the other presenters are wrong, for example. you're just relegated to the side lines
>so it just wells up in people until they explode.
Yeah. I've been recently on both sides of that situation, and it's never pleasant. It is hard to do, because as you said: There was no good faith in the argument of the speaker. He was insane, factually wrong most of the time, absolutely zealous and completely bigoted in all of his points, it was kinda surreal. Like - one of his points was that because games like Factorio or Satisfactory put no emphasis on gender or race of their protagonists, that is actually EVIDENCE OF THE WHITE SUPREMACIST, MALE, CAPITALIST, PLANET-DESTROYING INTENTIONS.
That was an argument that someone made on an academic ground. LACK of emphasis on race and gender proves their sexist, racist intentions.
So yeah, when you see your opponent argue in very bad faith, it is very hard to pace yourself and not fall into the same trap.
Because when you hear that kind of shit, every single cell in your body just wants to scream: "Are you FRICKING SHITTING ME YOU IDIOT?!"
Keeping your own line of reasoning dignified and more importantly, properly reasoned and supported is... tough.
With that said - this wasn't the only time I got into conflict over poor, left-wing saturated bullshit, and I thought that would just end up in me making more enemies, but... no.
The guy I very harshly criticized later on actually sought me out, we sat down with a couple of drinks, talked it all through, he was willing to back down on several points, he made reasonable criticism towards my points which I had to conciede too (again - arguing well is a skill one never stops learning), and we actually ended up on a very friendly note.
So not everyone one left-wing is just a zealot cretin, some of them are more open to fair arguments than you'd think.
Some are just shitstains though.
>The guy I very harshly criticized later on actually sought me out, we sat down with a couple of drinks, talked it all through, he was willing to back down on several points, he made reasonable criticism towards my points which I had to conciede too (again - arguing well is a skill one never stops learning), and we actually ended up on a very friendly note.
The good ending. World peace is achievable. We're all gonna make it
>>The guy I very harshly criticized later on actually sought me out, we sat down with a couple of drinks, talked it all through, he was willing to back down on several points, he made reasonable criticism towards my points which I had to conciede too (again - arguing well is a skill one never stops learning), and we actually ended up on a very friendly note.
I'm too cynical to believe he was being genuine.
>I'm too cynical to believe he was being genuine.
I'm not. We exchanged a mail or two - it's a good habit to have people to consult on your ongoing papers with, I've seen his latest draft and it tonned down the things I've criticized a lot.
But this guy wasn't completely mental from the get-go. Unlike the "disembodied white masculinity" creature, this guy - he was italian I think, and he was focused on subject of accessibility in games - had a mixture of good, and a few VERY bad points. From the start - he wasn't one-sidedly stupid, his speech wasn't pure propaganda, it had focus, it was right on some things - it's just that when it was wrong, it was very wrong.
I was pretty vocal about what I thought was bad, but from the get-go, I saw him as a potentially decent fella because again, not everything he was saying was wrong. I still felt like I've antagonized him a bit too much during my feedback, so when he actively contacted me and offered an option to talk it out in detail, it was a very nice suprise and as I said, turned out to be a viable contact.
Oh, that's nice. I hope he manages to write good stuff.
>Oh, that's nice. I hope he manages to write good stuff.
We'll see. I still consider his entire area of focus to be... somewhat questionable. I mean - in theory, accessibility in games is a fair and important subject. I have no issue with things like making color-blind mode a routine option in games, but I also think his specific focus - which was on people with reading disabilities - is a bit too narrow, trying to solve a problem that is not big enough to be worth the effort to solve it.
For an example: I do understand a point he made, that people with disorders like dyslexia could be accomodated better, especially in text heavy games. One of the propositions he made was to offer an option to switch the game's default fonts to dyslexia-friendly fonts (some fonts are provably more aggrivating dyslexia than others).
I understand it, because I suffer from dyslexia. I also think this isn't a venture worth persuing because as a person with dyslexia, I never EVER found myself going "damn, if only I wasn't dyslexic, I would be able to play this game." I have the condition, I play MOSTLY text-heavy games, I make my living reading and writing shit - dyslexia may be annoying, but I don't think it ever REALLY affected someone's enjoyment of a game to a meaningful degree.
So while this point of his wasn't wrong or bad, I still think it's not particularly valuable either.
He had some other proposed solutions, which were terrible, but those are the ones he seemed to have toned down or abandoned after our exchange.
Or at least, he did not include them in the draft he send me recently.
With all that said - this guy was also a level designer at a smaller studio, he only "dabbled" in GS. I don't think I've played any of his games, so I can't judge how good he was at that.
Could be worse - he could be researching monetization
>Could be worse - he could be researching monetization
God now. Now that you mention it - that was one of the few things that were generally well debated during the conference: there was quite a few speeches on the subject of monetization, and those were generally some of the most sane ones. There was a lot of criticism, and genuinely constructive suggestions to regulate it, when it came to predatory monetization practices.
So they got that shit straight, at least, it was like one of the rare things everyone could agree on and be constructive about.
it's a shame that video games as an industry are a meme in germany, prohibitive taxes and all official support going into ""educational"" and ""eco-friendly"" games is just such a waste
the non-Summer Game Fest part of this year's gamescom was a joke
I heard Europe is only now ramping up with ESG, fashionably late as usual. All the while at the source its about to crash and burn
>"disembodied white masculinity"
>"greening videogames"
seeing shit like that makes me wanna vomit. its literally Ganker tier raging at fictional ""problems"" paraded as (pseudo)science so useless people can meet at useless conventions to pat each others back (and wasting tons of money)
postmodernism and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. it incentives whoever can make the most impenetrable word salad; real "emperor's new clothes" type shit
witnessed for unbreakable truth
>seeing shit like that makes me wanna vomit.
You and me both. Except I have to deal with these people on a professional level.
>just the titles are oozing woke already
Actually, both of them were really good. I expected bullshit, but no - they were very reasonable, very nice girls, both of them, their lessons were genuinely highlights of the program.
The (former) Guerrilla Games woman mostly spoke about the actual process of research, proposition, production, and itteration involved. She was weird as frick and at one point, went on a 20 minute tangent about how looms work, and why she is really depressed she can't get one implemented into a game... in general she was really obsessive about fabric culture, but also, extremely knowledgeable.
The mixture of her extreme nerdiness about various native cultures, especially about subjects like embroidery, fabric and pottery patterns and so on, with a ton of very informative, pragmatic info on the reality of game development was honestly endearing as hell.
I never played Horizon, so I can't judge the... results of her work, but I know her input was specifically limited to the environments, not ANY of the writing or story beyond that communicated by things like architecture, clothing, clutter objects, city-layouts.
The Larian girl... I missed a good portion of her lecture, but what I caught was all about professional writing habits and strategies, most of it was good advice, as well as - again - development pipeline details.
For what I've seen, none of them was woke or pushing any agenda. In fact the Guerrilla girl was everything but - especially her her clear passion for very, very girly subjects, and very conservative cultures.
>>It's absolutely crazy how much insanity Factorio is triggering in the eco-obsessed crowd all over the world. Recently, I've been to a major game studies convention. Academic event, where you'd expect some dignity... there was CHAIN of "lectures" specifically dedicated to condemning Factorio for being "the worst example of white, capitalist disease".
I would like some source on that as well. One would expect to actually see a thread about this on Ganker or something.
>I would like some source on that as well.
CEEGS - or "Central and Eastern European Game Studies Conference" is a pretty well established event by this point, actually, and finding info on it online should be really easy.
But it is an ACADEMIC event. People who study/research game studies, and active developers participate, no wider public is invited. You won't find people talking about it here because it has no marketing or popularization profile, it's literally for people who study Game Studies as a field, and for developers who are interested in interacting with the field. Since neither devs nor academicians actually doing research in Games Studies tend to post here, it would rather obviously go entirely under Ganker's radar.
But again: google the event name and year and you'll see I'm not bullshitting you.
Here is another little piece of evidence.
I can tell you that the keynote speakers during this year were one of the lead environmental/narrative designers for Horizon Zero Dawn/Forbidden West, and one of the lead writers for from Larian studios.
Again, cross-reference with the event's program and you'll see - it's very unlikely I'd be making this shit up.
>lead environmental/narrative designers for Horizon Zero Dawn/Forbidden West, and one of the lead writers for from Larian studios
just the titles are oozing woke already
Curious. Also curious is that some far western devs are involved in those talks.
For a moment I was worried it was affecting Czechia, but then I discovered it's a actually Germany, figures.
>For a moment I was worried it was affecting Czechia, but then I discovered it's a actually Germany, figures.
Well, while most Czechs I've met there were fine, I can unfortunately tell you that the by-far-biggest-c**t at the whole event was a guy from Prague.
In general, Czech Rep tends to be fairly resistant to this kind of ideological bullshit. And VAST majority of the bullshit was very specifically from German speakers. Suprigingly, the scandinavians, and unsurprisingly, people from countries like Poland or Estonia and such, were on the saner side.
The few people from west, including the keynote speakers, and a bunch of french devs that for some reason came - those were mostly fine. One Russian girl too - she was my favorite person there.
Germans were mostly complete fricking idiots, and as mention, to my own great shame, there was this one Czech c**t that was making my whole country look bad.
By the way, when he later send me a bunch of papers that were supposedly proving me wrong, one of them was - I shit you not, actually a hidden NFT add masquerading as an academic paper.
Once again - I WISH I was making this shit up.
>I shit you not, actually a hidden NFT add masquerading as an academic paper.
Ah, the grifter. These people aren't there because of morals (might be different with native Germans who probably were a majority there, so they could be the common idiot type), but for money - either by selling bullshit or by getting clout and getting a job.
>Ah, the grifter.
Yeah, but the thing is: that guy is paid by a major fricking university, he is literally paid to teach people about games as a medium, to publish papers of his own.
It's not just a grifter - it's a grifter with reputation and title of a genuine expert on the subject. In fact one of the very few people in čr that has the acreditation to teach game studies as a academic discipline.
And that is what fricking gets to me.
As for morals... I genuinely believe that to be a bigoted Marxist (as he was) - you either have to be actually ignorant of your own sources, or you have to be a c**t, there is no other way.
This guy was obviously a c**t. But a fricking fervent one, and more alarmingly, in the context of the field, not an insignificant person.
I'm pretty sure literally sending you an ad could be something you notify his employers about
>I'm pretty sure literally sending you an ad could be something you notify his employers about
Never thought of doing that because I find that kind of stuff really dickish, but the issue was that this "add" was still published in a academic paper, so he could always dispute it that if it passed peer review, it counts as a valid academic source.
It's just the whole thing - that a openly hostile marxist butthole who exclusively expresses himself through accusations of racism, classism and sexism, also was fricking in on the whole NFT scam and went out of his way to advocate it - I found that fascinatingly telling about what kind of person he was.
Zkurvení Pražáci ty vole, co by člověk taky čekal
>Zkurvení Pražáci ty vole, co by člověk taky čekal
No... ono je taky pravda, že CEEGS jako konferenci (která má dneska fakt docela velkou prestiž, viz seznam keynote speakerů tento rok) založil původně taky jeden člověk z Prahy. Nebudu jmenovat, ale znám ho, je to výborný chlap. Úzce napojený na lidi ze starého dobrého Levelu.
But let's switch to more universally understandable language. If you are interested in this subject in earnest - Czech republic does not have an official Game Studies department, anywhere in the country. The guy who founded CEEGS is one of the people trying to establish it, along side a small but notable group of prague-based scholars from other countries. And safe for that particular NFT c**t, there are some very good people involved. It makes a lot of sense, honestly, given Czech game development legacy. We have TON of extremely skilled and experienced developers in ČR, we used to have great gaming journalism at one point (seriously people like Herodes, Rybka, Macura, hell, Vávra when he isn't being stupid on twitter can write pretty well. These people used to be top level gaming journalists back in the day, and still are involved in the industry - it's a perfect environment to form a decent game studies department. I have high hopes for the whole venture... and if it's going to happen, I'm pretty sure it is going to happen in Prague.
We just need to get rid of the few... really inappropriate influences.
Yeah man, I'm just taking a piss out of Praguers, they alright. Except when they're not, they take it to extremes
>we used to have great gaming journalism at one point
You heard that PČR launched an investigation of Anastasov? Charged him with pimping, the old bald c**t
>You heard that PČR launched an investigation of Anastasov? Charged him with pimping, the old bald c**t
Holy shit, I had no fricking idea, and I'm laughing my ass off, thanks for that nugget!
I grew up in the game mag war of the 90's. I was always a stouch Level kid. We used to hate Score readers with a passion back in the mid-90's school yard battlefield. We - the superior Level fanboy race, thought Score was always sleazy, cheap, sensational, and vulgar, while Level was clearly the intellectual, profound choice.
So seeing this makes my inner child SOOOO fricking validated, you have no idea. After 20 fricking years, my 8th grade school yard criticism that Score feels like something a only a complete sleazeball would direct - is finally vindicated! I was right the whole fricking time.
Damn dude, I'm quite a bit younger than you. I pretty much grew up with LEVEL and Score side by side and didn't really care for the lingering antagonism. The more vidya, the better, and just reach synthesis of both worlds
Made me dig up some of my well-secured treasures and savour the nostalgia
>I pretty much grew up with LEVEL and Score side by side and didn't really care for the lingering antagonism.
Kids like to make hiearchies, engage in tribalism. Just look at most Ganker... It was stupid, of course.
>Made me dig up some of my well-secured treasures and savour the nostalgia
God I remember that issue well, that TibSun review is burned into my memory, even where the small little windos with details on selected individual units were.
>Recently, I've been to a major game studies convention. Academic event, where you'd expect some dignity... there was CHAIN of "lectures" specifically dedicated to condemning Factorio for being "the worst example of white, capitalist disease".
Produce source or I will not believe you.
>the security had to kick her out
that's how it should be done. next time ecolunatics cause trouble, they should just tell them to "untick the pollution" if they cant handle the bugs lol
This whole argument goes down the drain when you consider that they RAISED the price of the game, however. If they know that reducing the price will be beneficial, but don't want to keep their word, then why the hell would they RAISE the fricking price? This makes no sense at all and throws your entire interpretation of the facts in the trash can.
Shut up and simp for the dev, don't go against the grain here.
>then why the hell would they RAISE the fricking price?
I honestly have no clue. I said it before, I'll said it again: I don't understand that move, I think it was stupid. I agreed with them up till that point, but I can't explain or justify this decision. And again - since the last time I saw them was 5 years ago... I did not have an option to ask.
>then why the hell would they RAISE the fricking price?
Maybe they raised the price so they could have sales that sell it at a "reduced" price of what the game used to be, that way they get the extra money from people who go "oh look a sale" while feeling like they dont betray the original buyers by not going back on their word to have it cheaper than 20 bucks.
So they are raising the price in order to sell it to the same price as before but with a big -50% next to it and being able to claim moral highground of never having gone below original price. Might be a pretty clever move
>Maybe they raised the price so they could have sales that sell it at a "reduced" price of what the game used to be
I don't want to speculate. Best I can tell you is: the inflation panic was especially bad in Czech Rep. In the long term, Czechia is economically really fricked, having some of the highest prices relative to average income in Europe - that was a problem BEFORE both the energy crisis, and the recent inflation crisis too. So when that inflation prediction appeared, the already bled-to-death public went AWOL. People were just sick of it.
Maybe that general massive outburst of frustration also affected Wube people, and they just wanted to feel some justice being done for once.
But... even if that is the case, it's no excuse in my mind. I know for a fact that Wube has more money then they could spend in their lifetime, these people are SET. So they should be the last ones to give into the frustrations, they are among the few % of Czech population that don't CARE about inflation, realistically.
I don't like this move, and I don't understand it. I love the studio, in person the people were great, everything they have done up till that point was 100% fair and genuinely kinda admirable - but I will not try to excuse this inflation price increase, I just plain disagree with it, I'm convinced it was a bad move by all accounts.
>And going back on their word
Or you know, just admitting you're wrong like a sane fricking human being. That's what normal human beings would call it.
>Or you know, just admitting you're wrong like a sane fricking human being.
I don't think you understood the situation I described at all.
They have no problem with admitting that they were wrong.
They have a problem with treating their most loyal and old supporters/customers like dirt.
It's a good game, cry some more.
You're probably just mad the devs told your ilk that cancel culture is garbage. Enjoy Satisfactory I guess, with its limited map and far worse optimization.
>Enjoy Satisfactory I guess, with its limited map and far worse optimization.
I play both. Satisfactory isn't bad, and suprisingly well optimized for how it looks. It's main issues lie elsewhere... it's just not nearly as tight, and it has a major issue with finding ballance between convenience and involvement. Later game larger construction projects just take way too much time because placing shit in 3D is just slower, and you don't have shit like blueprints and bots to speed up the process. So late game builds end up just taking HOURS to set up, which becomes tedious. There needs to be a ballance between how much time you spend designing things, and how much you spend just manually building, and late-game Satisfactory misses that mark.
Frankly, out of all the Factorio clones out there, I think Capitain of Industry is the best, or at least has most potential. To me it has a perfect mixture of being 3D, but not tedious to build in, plus the terraforming and colony management elements are cool.
Sucks that CoI is still a bit of a sleeper. Maybe the next few major updates will get it on the map.
>Sucks that CoI is still a bit of a sleeper.
As far as I can tell, the studio is getting by fine. It's not a break-out title but they seem to have steady income and more than enough to keep developing.
They actually got a lot of money even before the game went on steam.
But yeah, it does not get as much attention as I would like it to get, I think it's genuinely one of the best of the whole Factorio subgenre. I enjoy it a lot more than Satisfactory or DSP both. Not even mentioning games like Factory Town.
Haven't tried Timberborn yet though.
>Haven't tried Timberborn yet though.
Timberborn didn't really grab me, it's not that different from other colony sims. Oxygen Not Included is definitely worth a play if you haven't though. There's a huge emphasis on automation and you'll end up with pipe, duct, and conveyor spaghetti late game. Art style seems to be love or hate but I like it; it gives the moronic midgets you'll rage about some charm.
If they haven't sold any copies in 7 years what makes them think raising the price would help?
It did sell a ton of copies
But the op said it didn't have a single sale in 7 years.
Sale as in "temporary price reduction", genius. They don't do the "time limited X% off the base price offer" thing.
jej
You have bigger issues in life if you cant afford a price increase for your hobby
once upon a time it was cheap as frick in my third world currency but I still didn't bought it. I don't like their attitude towards sales. Same israeliteness with nintendo. gog-games is your friend
Amazing how nobody says that they are going to buy the game. It's literally chuds simping for the company who jump to their rescue only and people calling them out. There is no genuine interest in this game, what a disaster.
You do realize the game sold 3.5 million copies and for two years, used to have highest user score rating of all games on steam (until an organized raid of valve-fanboys got together to inflate user-reviews scores on Portal 1 to dethrone it), right?
Yeah. Real fricking disaster of a game.
>until an organized raid of valve-fanboys got together to inflate user-reviews scores on Portal 1 to dethrone it
schizo
>going to buy
The game has been out for years you dumb Hispanic. I understand you are allergic to the idea of paying a normal price for something, but that doesn't change that the price is fair.
ESLkun, that's not how that meme is used
Because everyone already bought it when it was 20 bucks.
if you still dont have $50 after 7 fricking years then you should probably fix your fricking life
>game only enjoyed by giga-spergs is made by a giga-sperg shithead
color me surprised
Maybe ask the government to stop printing money
What other media products rises with inflation? Even Nintendo doesn't raise its MSRPs without remastering the game.
If you want to charge more for a game, FRICKING MAKE A NEW GAME. You can even release a tech demo in Early Access and people will buy "that game by the Factorio guys."
>Nintendo
>FRICKING MAKE A NEW GAME
It should have some limits. Selling you the "same" game twenty times (for full price) is more offensive than bumping price up 2 bucks, plus it doesn't affect previous buyers in any way.
>Satisfactory is now cheaper than Factorio and provides basically the same experience but in 3D
lol
But Factorio doesn't provide the experience of hitting your dick with a hammer.
Satisfactory will always be the waluigi of the genre. No one brings it up outside factorio threads.
This
There's no reason to play some pixelshit 2d game when the superior 3d game exists. Plus bugs are gay and this game has dogs that you can pet.
Not till that other factort game comes out that is both full 3D and has randomly generated maps. Forgot what it was called but Paradox is funding it.
>Paradox is funding it
>Paradox
ded
>that is both full 3D
if it's first person, it's shit. i don't care how they think they are going to fix the problem, it fundamentally doesn't work. i've played almost all of the FP factory games and they are invariably tedious shit because you lose control of your mouse for UI interaction, not to mention that most struggle with having coherent or useful blueprints
Satisfactory comes to mind on your example. Neat game, shit gameplay
yeah it's the worst offender. placing shit is annoying but i admittedly haven't tried the new nudge mode. still seems like it would be annoying. other 3d games are fine, like dyson sphere or captan of industry, because you can freely adjust the camera, and both or more or less cheating a 3d feel on a 2d grid you build on
err "both are more or less"
it's the best way to get a factorio thread going
>you lose control of your mouse for UI interaction
This has been a solved problem in industry for 30 years; when will someone please shill 6dof controllers to the masses?
Hey, you want the ultimate in awful fricking UI? Play Astroneer.
>Menus are physical objects that can be blocked by objects
>EVERYTHING given 'smoothed' motion so it takes a second to line up with where you're aiming/dragging to
>Inventory is a physical backpack that you can click on to open at any time, including when MINING with the MOUSE in a THIRD PERSON GAME
>Backpack crafting system is scrolled through using physical buttons on it or WASD/arrow keys... which still make you walk while it's open, so you have to hold one in the other direction to avoid edging towards/away from things
>Camera absolutely despises anything getting between it and you
I'll pass, thanks
If you like small factories, maybe
>inflation
The dev must adhere to moron politics given that it's been well documented and even straight up stated by companies that price hikes are artificial and because they can and not because of inflation. Either that or he's doing the same thing but less honestly.
The devs decide they want to ask a certain price. I decide I don't want to buy their game. No problem.
https://factoryidle.com/ is free and you can play anywhere.
pirate
single
player
games
You're pissing in the wind here, dude. Of course people are going to be combative if you make a redundant thread on a topic that has been worn out like this. What do you think internet strangers are going to jerk you off because you're cranky a niche autist only game isn't going to be on sale?
>wailing about not being able to save money on a game that's a fricking bargain if it's your type of game
>calling other people israelites
Whatever, moshe, I bet you fish pennies out of fountains.
>wanting compensation for your work is... LE GREED
And wanting free shit at someone else's expense isn't greed?
that is the ultimate irony of people calling wube israelites for not giving them cheap shit, yes.
you only need a license if you want to use their own mod portal
which admittedly, is pretty decent
OP probly doesnt even own the game. he just saw some targeted news on his browser front page and decided to make a thread
It's good for them to try to compensate for inflation by increasing the price of a game released 10 years ago, but in 99.9% of games this kind of strategy will cause revenues to fall and with less money coming in, and inflation rising, the measure will be counterproductive.
Of course, Factorio is a different product, it's not one of those games that sells 90% of its copies in the first two weeks because it's pushed by marketing, so maybe they're getting results, but it's very likely that they won't, actually, and that they'd get more results if they cut the price considerably now that the DLC is approaching, but who knows...
factorio is the gold standard, so I'm sure they're making more money after the price increase. shit, /vg/egg/ might as well be named "factorio plus a few other games we discuss in bursts when they update"
>january
factorio hater has been seething for maybe half a decade at this point, all points of time where they cannot buy factorio without a sale is the same point in time in their eyes
It's about value. If factorio was $70 and went on sale for 35 then you'd be getting a better deal.
>bought 20k worth of cs2 skins
>still won't buy factorio
it's about sending a message
>pirate game
>it's so good you buy it on principal
few such cases.
That's why I torrented that game
this game doesnt even have steam workshop, literally pirate it
>entire thread full of autistic schizo shit
>not ONE picture of a factory
this is why this board is garbage.
>barrels
frick off PewDiePie
Reject buses
Embrace spaghetti
SOVL
So is factario as addictive as some anons claim?
i like building games, i'm kind of burned out on anno 1800 and i want another game to play while listening to podcasts&watch shows.
>So is factario as addictive as some anons claim?
If you're autistic - incredibly
play the demo. if it clicks, buy it and then call out of work for the next few days
>Call out of the factory so you can stay at home and work in a fictional factory instead
It's very much a "one more turn" type of game. Where instead of turns, its things to do. Personally, I find the early game a bit slow, and then once I'm a few hours in and really going I find myself at it for many hours at a time without realizing it. This is also after 1000 hours.
It's an either or.
If you have some degree of a 'tism about efficiency, increasing complexity or number go up, it's ogre you'll have a million billion hours.
If you're of sane mind you'll say it's boring shit and stop playing.
I played this game since release and I never paid for it and I never will
>muh inflation!
Games should go down in price.
You want to raise the price? Make Factorio 2.
>You want to raise the price? Make Factorio 2.
given how much they've worked on it in the last few years, it might as well already be that
Cope talking.
>destroys morons itt
>almost 30% inflation in less than 10 years
Anyone else enjoying the decline of the west?
It's great
Money printer go BRRRRR
realstically how do i shield myself from this being a stock market brainlet
Periodically put money in SPY(alternatively into global index of sorts) and do nothing else.
If USA survives, good, you get cash for retirement
If USA collapses, you will have different problems anyway.
gold and silver mining stocks obviously
Don't ever let money sit in the bank, invest in varied and low risk investments
It is one of the greatest games of all time.
It s worth even more.
Not my problem, get good taste sooner and and get it before the price goes up.
Get a fricking job you worthless shit scab.
>People are STILL b***hing about a game that isn't even 40 bucks
>A game that is literal crack for autists
You guys are actually moronic. The devs even encourage you to pirate it.
That's what I did and ended up buying it full price. No regrets.
I'm playing it RIGHT NOW.
You have only yourself to blame.
>hey this game will never go on sale
>oh okay, so I can buy it without waiting around for no reason out of fear I could have paid less a week later
anybody interested in factorio already owns it
anybody not interested in it doesn't care about the price
Yeah, pretty weird how inflation can cause the game to raise in price but they apparently can't see any logic or reason in putting games on sale. Let alone a game that doesn't get regular content.
>a game that doesn't get regular content
They're literally working on a massive space update right now
The game had its 1.0 release in 2020
It has had 100 updates of bugfixes and optimisation while
Increasing staff for a huge content expansion
>without a sale
>raises prices
>still no sales
whats the problem here?
yeah he knows he is selling crack and there is no way he is lowering the price
Devs who are emotiosocially moronic enough to be able to make a game like this can't understand that 'not having a sale ever' just hurts their sales, instead of trying to minmax some statistic in their management dashboard.
I'm sorry to be the one to tell you but you just used the word 'emotiosocially'
Do something else for a while, anon
this is a troony thread. They have been on an anti factorio crusade since the dev was poking fun at their genital mutilating cult.
Just bought two of my friends copies. Drop your username and I'll send you one too.
Should have invested in Factorio beforehand. Its going to the moon and you poorgays will stay poor
>repost of (a screeencap of just the headline of) an article from fricking january
>330 bumps
I bought this a few months back but only played 5 minutes of it. Been meaning to set some time aside for it.
buying factorio keys is a hedge against inflation
trust the plan
problem paypiggies? https://gog-games.to/game/factorio
Not really.
Lots of people that Pirate Factorio buy it.
Only idiots hand out crack for free and think it will solve anything.
Imagine being an unironic communist in a Factorio thread, of all places.
>all these replies to a 12 month article
You fricking idiots don't read do you.
>you lived long enough to see Ganker defend israelites
This is literally the worst engineering game on steam
you have to be literally autistic to enjoy the late stages of this game
vanilla factorio is one of the tamest autism games around. your average normie could probably launch a rocket
Am I secretly a genius or something? I did not find this game complicated at all. Tedious sometimes but I never thought 'damn, I can't figure out how to do this'
>Am I secretly a genius or something?
Nah. I mean - maybe you are, but your ability to deal with factorio isn't evidence of it.
I'm a literally certified mid-wit with a particularly low aptitude formal abstractive operations (e.g. the kinds of skills necessary to be good at math, engineering, programmings etc...) and I still launched my first rocket in like 40 hours without any guides or cheating.
The game has a couple of moments where it jumps up in complexity that can catch you off guard the first time you play, but overal, I think it's actually really normie-friendly.
I mean you can go super-autistic if you WANT to, but prime-case-midwits like me are still 100% capable of getting through the vanilla game with just basic effort. There is nothing I would find genuinely confusing or incomprehensible about the game... except for logic networks.
God logic networks make me so aware how limited my intellect is.
you're just stupid, anon. its okay.
*blocks your path*
OH NO NOW I'LL HAVE TO KEEP NOT BUYING A GAME I DON'T WANT, OH MY GOD