heres wtf is going down:
>All Resin is being phased out by 2025 to comply with new government rulings on none recyclable plastic to avoid bigger tax charges
>Beasts of Chaos are being moved to balance out The Old World and have more variety to avoid another Horus Heresy where players still scream for Eldar or Orks to this day. They were planned for a AoS revamp at the start of 3rd edition including Kragnos being the centerpiece which was obviously scrapped. Instead its this so they get a new TOW range without having to design one.
>Yes Kislev was scrapped because of Russia invasion of Ukraine. They are already in GW's book of grudges for their recast feifdoms but the timing was just felt to be in poor taste. But they aren't scrapped forever. Just shelved will that dies down. Cathay however was never really happening. Araby *might* be.
>Warcry is getting a revamp in a new 3rd edition. It is closer to Mordheim/Necromunda/Middle Earth in rules and truly AoS Kill Team and the whole Cults in the Eightpoints idea is being retired. Starter box is Cities of Sigmar vs Skaven.
>TOW is underperforming against projections but not massively. Mostly attributed to lack of a big villain draw when Tomb Kings dont seem to be considered a villain in the grand scheme of things. The first major event reintroducing more armies "from the legends stable" is expected to pick up the slack. Skaven is a popular army among players but with the intent of keeping TOW and AoS divided the choice was made to give AoS the Skaven option for a notable Chaos release in 2024 and TOW will be seeing the return of vampire Counts by 2025. Soulblight Gravelords in 4th will be leaning further away from the original VC aesthetic to differentiate the two lines. Expect a new Neferata model.
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>Warhammer Underworlds is ending Production this year. There is one final box planned after Wintermaw along with limited time reprint boxes of the most popular warbands of the past coming in quarterly waves as a last hurrah. It was intended to be a gateway game and a competitive casual tournament product and didn't succeed at either and the cost in board and cards makes them less profit than the Warcry Terrain so its being dropped.
>Legionnes Imperialis has massively underperformed. Some of the blame is placed on people expecting Epic 40k again and not wanting pure HH on a smaller scale. Others blame the launch window. Expect support for another year or two but like Aeronautica this game won't be around for very long.
>Necromunda and Horus Heresy both sell very well and turn a profit and will be the most stable games for the foreseeable future.
>Middle Earth has seen a surprising uptick in sales this year but with the external license its support will always be lesser than the rest but don't expect it to go anywhere any time soon.
>Expect more than Stormcast Eternals to get a large range discontinuing. Post lockdown/Indomitus the people holding the purse strings, mainly those who jumped in from other parts of the tabletop pie like TCG's, have been asking "what do you mean people buy product and then may go a decade without buying more?" and the new mandate is that a customer should be replacing their army every 3-4 years. Long enough to grow attached emotionally but not long enough to be unwilling to buy another.
>This means a few armies/subfactions are going away in the next two years
>For AoS: Dispossessed, any High Elf/Wood Elves outside resin and some Dark Elves will be retired. Others moved into other battletomes such as Daughters of Khaine. Its unconfirmed but don't expect Fyreslayers to be around forever.
>For 40k: Death Guard, Adeptus Mechanicus, Genestealer Cult and Adeptus Astartes are all losing a few units. Harlequins are gone completely and Grey Knights are becoming a universal ally option for Imperium forces rather than a stand alone army with Custodes intended to fill their former niche.
>Both major titles will see another attempt at Everchosen/Eye of Terror mini battletomes/codexes intended for narrative/smaller sized games. The First two are "Battletome: Blighted Crusade" and "Codex: Imperial Agents" releasing this autumn.
>This is part of the "wotcification of gw" at the advice of shareholders and US consultants. Smaller faster games with more focus on ease of entry. The Combat Patrol and Speartips are intended to function like magic the gathering "preconstructed commander decks". Expensive lifestyle products that a player can buy, put together and have balanced games against each other. The intent over time is less players with 30,000 points of Dark Angels and more players with 2000 points in every army range.
>With the rise in alternate hobby products such as paints and tools the range of Citadel Paints is being reduced. If something has an option where a Contrast Paint can fill the role of both expect the Base/Layer of said colour to go away. Primers are also being cut down to Grey Seer, Chaos Black, Mechanicus Standard Grey, Iron Warriors, Zandri Dust and Death Guard Green.
>TL:DR the covid boom is over and cost cuts are happening to avoid increases in outgoings.
Bonus Gossip:
>No Chaos Dwarfs aren't happening. They look too anti semitic for it to happen and GW has a problem as it is with being seen as "the nazi company" and won't touch them again. At least not in the original sense.
>TOW sold a LOT of Tomb King models but very few Brettonians by comparison. Just a bit of trivia there.
>The high up old guard dinosaurs are really not happy with people like Peachy and Suggs giving "insider secrets" and getting people on social media to demand artist credit on paintjobs
>A lot of stores saw the change from "Games Workshop" to "The Warhammer Shop" see a shocking decline in regular attendance. At first this was waved away as covid -as many things were by the wrong people in jobs they were shit at- but there have been more store closures in the last five years than the 20 before it. People would rather shop online or go to a third party store with more tables and amenities.
>A lot of the leaks of screenshots and sprues are not leaks but official intended pr, the excitement makes word of mouth spread faster than the plague on places like twitter and reddit
>White Dwarf sells terribly and despite changes to insert cards, rules and more painting guides the internets largely made it redundant and they have just been holding on for the big Issue 500. Its almost been cancelled twice in the last five years and will probably go all digital or on a hiatus in the next year.
>Stop bringing up the Daemonculaba. It was a writers fetish insert and you are absolutely That Guy when you bring it up every time you visit Warhammer World and try to talk to female customers about 40K. Yes i'm talking about you Gregg from Swadlincote. Cut it out. Everybody hates it.
>TOW sold a LOT of Tomb King models but very few Brettonians by comparison.
My ass, these """leaks""" are a load of shit
>People bought the faction that has been hyped by grogtards for 10 years
>People didnt buy a faction that existed exclusively for Perry brothers that noone else ever gave a shit about
Sounds right to me
both of those armies were hyped for years
>Factions that sold like shit twenty years ago still sells like shit
What about Blood Bowl???
Blood Bowl is the eternal shore all else crashes against. It never does gangbusters, it never flops. All returns to stardust one day. But Blood Bowl will remain.
It's basically the GW battletech.
>gw is supporting it
>it has players and sales
>gw isn't supporting it
>players just keep playing
It is immune to such internal issues.
>GW officially supports it
>Players thank them for updates but mostly do their own shit regadless
>CGL supports Battletech
>Players thank them for updates but mostly do their own shit regardless
no lie detected
>>TOW sold a LOT of Tomb King models but very few Brettonians by comparison. Just a bit of trivia there.
Is this supposed to be a playful way of admitting you made this entire thing up or are you stupid enough to think this sounds plausible?
>>TOW sold a LOT of Tomb King models but very few Brettonians by comparison. Just a bit of trivia there.
The entire Brettonian range sold out... and only about 25% of the Tomb Kings did, what are you talking about?
>TOW sold a LOT of Tomb King models but very few Brettonians by comparison. Just a bit of trivia there.
The exact opposite is true
>>Stop bringing up the Daemonculaba. It was a writers fetish insert and you are absolutely That Guy when you bring it up every time you visit Warhammer World and try to talk to female customers about 40K. Yes i'm talking about you Gregg from Swadlincote. Cut it out. Everybody hates it.
Frick off, you're not my dad. Come down the Foresters and say that to my face
Dwarf sells terribly
WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM A £10 MAGAZINE
LOL
L O L
No fricking way White Dwarf is now £10 lmao!
You don't need to be a GW insider to know that print media is doing poorly
i think the main issue is GW simply doesn't know what it wants to do with White Dwarf anymore
Having read some of the recently released WD I can honestly say they're just pointless, unless the aim is to get you to buy marketing material. WD used to have hobby articles using non-GW products (not different brands, really, but at least generic stuff), good interviews with people in the studios, decent articles involving campaigns (these can be shifted to online, and hopefully not on the dreadful Warhammer "Community"), and was still a catalogue of BUY CITADEL MINIATURES.
GW should execute all shareholders, pull Warwick Kinrade back from only historical rules for his games, and then find Kirby. Then livestream his execution on Twitch. I would give a POGGIES in the chat for that.
>WD used to have hobby articles using non-GW products
They don't even really have hobby articles these days. Just a short gallery of low-effort kitbashes, and the occasional Eavy Metal article to share a studio recipe
The really weird bit is how WD seems to be consistently like 2 months behind on the latest big developments with the games, as though there's really poor communication between the editorial team and GW proper
all the hobby stuff is now being by YouTubers who will gladly sign a GW NDA at the chance for early minis,
I would hate to see White Dwarf go away but I'm struggling to think about what Gw could put in it that would be worth it
>I would hate to see White Dwarf go away but I'm struggling to think about what Gw could put in it that would be worth it
Print-form hobby periodicals in a nutshell.
They seem like a good idea, but that's probably because they've always been around, and a world without them seems off. But nobody knows what kind of content to put in them that wouldn't be covered by Youtube channels.
I will write White Dwarf every month for under a thousand pounds aescmor at gmail
I just went and checked.
If you buy one issue shipped on its own, it's £7 plus £3.50 shipping
If you buy a subscription it's £5 per issue and free shipping
either way you can also just pick it up from the shop
I dislike modern geedubs but it's demonstrably not a tenner a pop
£5 for 12 issues not too bad but print clearly dying.
Isn't it nearly 30 dollars in new zealand?
20 NZD which is ridiculous enough for such a dogshit rag
>Peachy
His "insider info" is the only reason anybody wants to watch/listen to him. He's nowhere near as charistmatic or likeable as Duncan and there are already a billion youtubers that paint GW style. So as soon as his info dries out he'll have to look for a different job lol
He was better than those two fat pooves he was knocking about wuth, the squaddie and the basedjack lol
>anti semitic
Dammnit blackpowder capable ancient assyrians always did it for me
>Peachy and Suggs
A billion dollar corporation can arrange an accident easily
>No Chaos Dwarfs aren't happening. They look too anti semitic for it to happen and GW has a problem as it is with being seen as "the nazi company" and won't touch them again. At least not in the original sense
Bullshit,they brought them more or less as they used to be in TWW and no one batted a foreskin about it
I’m going to doubt that chaos dwarf one if only because they’re extremely popular and they’re Assyrian not israeli
Also why would they phase out resin when they’re bringing so many models back for the old world?
Maybe Sigmar lied.
to be fair, few cultures have killed as many semites as the assyrians
>Yes i'm talking about you Gregg from Swadlincote. Cut it out. Everybody hates it.
I will continue to talk about it even more tomorrow
>No Chaos Dwarfs aren't happening. They look too anti semitic for it to happen
Whut?
Oh no, thats right, I was walking past my local synagogue the other day and snapped this pic on my phone. Lord only knows what they were getting up to, they said it was just regular old Passover celebrations?
Total War I think managed to dodge the Chaos Dwarves as evil israelites thing. More of a focus on them being an exploitative colonial empire, and on their heavy use of technology.
It's how it used to be. Then again, the Grey Knights being team killers as their defining trait is a retcon. 3rd ed fluff has them as perfectly capable of working with other forces of the Imperium, and the fact that they *sometimes* wipe out innocent and loyal people "just to be safe" was what made them ambiguous.
>More of a focus on them being an exploitative colonial empire, and on their heavy use of technology.
Ahh, that explains the unpaid interns
guess i'm too new. what would current GK players do to take advantage of this?
Nothing, your probably fricked, if you were a Grey Knight fan in the old days, you watched your hyper elite marine force get suddenly turned into a spammy unfun mess, then get completely outclassed and their role in the game stolen by the Custodies, until they were regulated as some weird side faction.
The best case scenario is that they pull Grey Knights back into their demon hunter days, and gives them rules for the few units that remain that REALLY lets them feel like the one man armies they are supposed to be.
Play 3rd edition Demon Hunters with the lads. You can have a pure Grey Knights force, which is ironically kind of a glass cannon, or mix them together with Inquisitors and Imperial Guard.
Same thing with deathwing, they were kinda a glass canon army that said, wew lads if you managed to drop in and make it into combat turn one via the Deathwing formation that actaully let you charge outta Deep stike FUUUUUCK it was brutal. But you were banking all your army on making a 9 inch charge.
>TOW sold a LOT of Tomb King models but very few Brettonians by comparison. Just a bit of trivia there.
The Bretonnia stuff went out of stock way faster than the tk one on release so that doesn't make unless bretonnia was produced in much smaller numbers (why?) or the trend reversed itself later.
>No Chaos Dwarfs aren't happening. They look too anti semitic for it to happen and GW has a problem as it is with being seen as "the nazi company" and won't touch them again. At least not in the original sense.
But chaos dwarfs are based on babylonians and assyrians. With both the "magical" bull/x units and the armour, helmets, beard styles. being ruffles slave masters etc. Calling the army anti semitic makes as much sense as calling it anti dutch, because the dwarfs are evil and have beards.
I've had someone claim that a person in a French Foreign Legion uniform was a "Nazi Cosplayer". People are irredeemably fricking stupid about certain things
I mean about 60% of the Legion >were< ex-Nazis in 1946 but that's like calling them "a branch of the GRU" because of their demographics in 1995.
>French Foreign Legion
>Nazi
Holy shit how fricking moronic can someone be. Is the gay little kepi blanc not french enough for them?
>No Chaos Dwarfs aren't happening. They look too anti semitic
I-is this a view like anywhere? I never heard a single person call them semites in any way, I don't think I even saw a happy merchant edit of a chaos dwarf
That would require people to remember chaos dwarves.
Anything related to Warhammer+? Surprised that's still alive.
>no white primer
bullshit.
Titanium Dioxide is expensive and causes smoothminds to make their models look like shit leading to complaints. They can't tell Grey Seer isn't different.
>Titanium Dioxide is expensive
Titanium dioxide is so cheap they put it in food and toothpaste and chewing gum and aspirin tablets. 18 mL of top quality white acrylic paint, using TiO2 as its only pigment, contains about 1.33 cents worth of titanium dioxide. It's also in a huge number of other colours as it is extremely useful as an extender and opacifier, including in greys.
This is GW. If they can save a penny a can they will do it. You know it, i know it.
>they're going to save 1 cent of materials by no longer selling 30 dollar cans of spraypaint
you're so fricking stupid
Based titanium dioxide enthusiast laying down all the titanium dioxide facts that are fit to print
thank you for the keks anon, my eyes are watering from the laughter.
No lead belcher primer stands out just as much to me.
Surely that's popular enough to keep around.
It has a lot of quality problems just like the white primer.
>Grey Knights are becoming a universal ally option for Imperium forces
that makes almost no sense given the fluff
You just have to fight your non-GK army part after the game.
kek
maybe going back to daemonhunters/Inquisition would work
iirc there was a leak from the printer that mightve hinted at that a while ago
The lore for most of the game's history had the average size deployment of Grey Knights be about 5, maybe10, marines alongside other forces.
it was 5th edition they decided to make it where Grey Knights would deploy 30+ marines every battle, which defeated the whole point of them.
Them being more of a super unit you bring in alongside your normal army is way more like how Grey Knights actually fight in 95% of engagements they actually take part in.
I really wish the moronation of their paint system would finally catch up to them but a lot of these feel like bullshit so I doubt this is true
>Mechanicus losing units
>small range that's already had their codex for about 6 months
Sure anon, sure.
in all honesty the only times GW remembers about admech is when they want to frick them up so it doesn't seem that unlikely lol
>It is 2024
>People still going "haha, GW could never frick up MY army!"
Rats in a maze have more pattern recognition than 40k players.
Whats the point of living in fear?
James could decide to wake up and shit all over my cereal and I couldnt do a damn thing about it.
If I was so afraid of squatting I'd play space marines...
Oh wait...looks like nowhere is safe.
>With the rise in alternate hobby products such as paints and tools the range of Citadel Paints is being reduced. If something has an option where a Contrast Paint can fill the role of both expect the Base/Layer of said colour to go away
lmao I refuse to believe they would be this moronic
>For 40k: Death Guard losing a few units.
So I don't want to poo poo this out of hand, especially with what happened recently with AoS
I could see these units going away, mostly older stuff:
Chaos lord, Chaos Lord in Terminator Armour, Terminator Sorcerer, Both Predators
New models I could see going away: Icon Bearer, Noxious Blightbringer, Miasmic Malgnifier, Lord of Contagion
Its actaully funny i was in the offical warhammer store the other day playing the old world with my buddy, and i over heard the store owner talking with the owner of a local game shop about how AoS is not as hot as it used to be, that even offering prize pools its kinda hit or miss.
Its great because it just validates exactly what i was saying was going to happen. Because GW nuked the lore to death, the entire fandom is filled with people who get an inital jolt of excitment with a new game, army and concept, but then fades because the glue that holds a setting together, and keeps people interested, is the lore, this is the case in any fantasy or scifi setting. The lore is sacred because the lore is what everything is built around, with out it you dont have anything connecting the stuff you are trying to sell or make look cool.
AoS nuked their fricking lore into the ground by nuking the old world, and its finally come time for the chickens to roost. All the younger millennials that got into the setting because they have the attention span of a gopher are over.
The covid bucks dried up, and now GW fricked themselves bad. They nuked and screwed over their old player base by destroying the game and settings they loved, and now the groups they pandered to are fleeing the ship like rats.
The old guard saw the ship going down and got on all the life boats and left, and now they are left in the water drowning with no one there.
Inb4 GW tries to pull favor with the old guard and release classic era games that used the 3rd-7th ed ruleset,
Inb4 it actually works.
>Inb4 GW tries to pull favor with the old guard and release classic era games that used the 3rd-7th ed ruleset,
Isn't TOW kinda that though? I don't know the rules yet but is sure as frick seems like they're trying to get old players back. I highly fricking doubt any of the zoomers will buy those shitty old sculpts when the only thing that got them into AoS in the first place were the cool models
It is, my prediction for the longest time has been taht they are going to push the HH into the scouring and bring back armies like necrons, nids, orks, and eldar using the older rule set, and it will be to 40k was ToW is to AoS.
Problem is most of those zoomer are fly by night players, who come in, buy the shit they want and then never keep going in the hobby. Those customers are drying up now, if these leaks are true.
Who cares tho
Not a troll question either
GW very rarely have put out a good game
Maybe its time to play literally anything else
>Not a troll question either
that's exactly what a troll would say
You guys act like it's all there is, but it's mid and has been for about twenty five years
Ok what other tabletop scifi wargame is there with a good ruleset and allows players to field a full army not just a squad or two that is currently supported?
There isn't anything better. Warmachine stopped being good 2 editions ago. KoW is dumbed down knockoff, Malifaux is too busy being card game to be a decent wargame, the Fallout thing needs bucketload of tokens to barely function and is even more expensive than anyting GW makes and battletech need special brand of autism to optimize your angle shooting on a hex grid with elevations that (on most tables) will be purely in your imagination.
The only other decent game i can think of is possibly bolt action but thats a rare breed of player to find.
>There isn't anything better.
I genuinely can't even fathom the kind of a GW wienermongler you'd have to be to think this. 40k is absolute bottom of the barrel garbage as a wargame.
He is not wrong to a degree though, name any other wargame that has the popularity of 40k, any hobby shop you walked into, there is going to be a 40k group, you cant say the same about something like bolt action.
popular is not the same as better dumbass
even among GW, 40k is not even close to the best system and yet it's the most popular
its better if you actually wanna roll die.
Some other table top game could have the best fricking rule set ever made, does not mean shit if you cant find anyone else to play it with.
Of course it's popular because even a braindead sloth can play it. There's no need to think, just roll buckets of dice. That's exactly why 40k is a shitty game.
i agree, its shitter now. Modern 40k sucks ass.
The game was miles better before they completely redesigned it in eighth edition.
I enjoyed how they said the game was made easier, but all they actually did was just move USRs from formations to stratagems.
It's all down to momentum. Games slowly grow an audience but then every other game shoots themselves in the foot with their third edition and its a wonder if they ever recover. Some special cases even shoot themselves in the foot with their second edition(X-wing, Mage Knight).
>Who cares tho
I mean i care, my entire game group cares. We got into the game when it was an entirely different system, we had fun with that, we played almost every weekend using that system.
I care because GW killed the game that we enjoyed, our group died really quick post 8th ed because it was not the game we liked.
I know im not alone nor is my group, we want the old style rules back,
>Maybe its time to play literally anything else
Why should i have to play a different game when the game was much better before GW was pandering to the lowest common denominator of players?
Caveat to this, that also has the level of support that 40k does, the level of background lore and armies that GW does as well.
>Why should i have to play a different game when the game was much better before GW was pandering to the lowest common denominator of players?
you don't. If your playgroup wants to play 7th or fricking whatever just play it. But if you want to play a "live" game, either find something else or kneel down for GW's load
> battletech need special brand of autism to optimize your angle shooting on a hex grid with elevations that (on most tables) will be purely in your imagination.
Just play Alpha Strike
well if all you want is a deliberately hyperspecific set of criteria that only allow for a certain era of 40k you played when you were young and new to the hobby and full of enthusiasm and nostalgic for, why not just play older editions?
The issue is this is like 3.5 and 5th ed for dnd. When the company moves on you are treated like a leper anywhere you go, you cant get anyone to play it outside of that small group. Plus no support, gotta deal with scalpers trying to charge double.
I would not care if GW at least let us buy the old content at a made to order status but nope just left to flouder. fricking sucks.
see above, frick all support and left out to dry, no one in the community wants to join you unless they are already in it because GW does not give any support for it, plus with kits being gutted cant even get the shit you need to play the older games.
What do you need official support for? The rules are there, you have the models (I assume) and you have your friends to play with. You have everything you need to play, yet here you are whining about how this old game doesn't let you paypig for GW instead of playing.
>What do you need official support for?
The kits, GW stopped making a lot of them.
The rule books, the supplements which again, GW stopped printing these completely.
Cards are a big one, with all the various powers
you ahve to have the Tactical objective cards, which were different for each faction, same goes for the powers as well when it came to psyker powers.
Also if you dont have an army already your SOL, god forbid you wanted to start a new army. If say i wanted to make a guard army for earlier editions, i gotta turn to scalpers, for things like tactical objectives, kits that don't exist anymore, codex's which on taht one i can just find it.
Imagine trying to get someone just to try an earlier edition telling them they need to do all that.
The thing that like turns me off of it as well is the utter vitriol hatred so many people have for players who enjoyed the earlier editions. The difference between 3rd-7th and 8+ is so different they are completely different games, but for some fricking reason people who play 8th plus seem to get off on hating people who enjoyed the games prior to 8th ed.
>The kits, GW stopped making a lot of them.
just proxy and kitbash. You're already not playing at official stores, who cares about owning "the right models"? It does not fricking matter
>The rule books, the supplements which again, GW stopped printing these completely.
Almost entirely available in PDF in various locations. Can probably buy second hand for a song and a dance if you know where to look
>Cards are a big one, with all the various powers
Literally never were required and you can just print your own
>you ahve to have the Tactical objective cards, which were different for each faction, same goes for the powers as well when it came to psyker powers.
you can just roll dice for TacOps or again, print your own
>Also if you dont have an army already your SOL, god forbid you wanted to start a new army. If say i wanted to make a guard army for earlier editions, i gotta turn to scalpers, for things like tactical objectives, kits that don't exist anymore
JUST FRICKING BUY THIRD PARTY OR GET SOMEONE TO PRINT IT FOR YOU, YOU DON'T NEED TO SUCK GW'S PLASTIC wiener
holy frick you just want to be spoon fed, is that it? Little baby can't do the bare minimum of hobby without buying a new pack of cards to play the game for him? What a whiny little b***h
You know waht anon you are right, frick it ill even buy to have that shit hard back printed online.
Actually thank you anon, you did not know it but im gonna stop fricking around and make it happen.
You have to understand how cucked the nu GW Hobbyist is.
> am I allowed to paint them different?
> what's a conversion? Is that allowed?
> am I allowed to build my models X way? It's not like the box!!!
It's just ridiculous
>just proxy and kitbash. ... It does not fricking matter
Absolutely soulless.
>buying GW's slop
>soulful
frick right off cuck
Old models had soul anon, GW used to make models that had SOVL
>The kits, GW stopped making a lot of them
So you don't actually have models? If you've played with your friends, you should already have your models.
>The rule books, the supplements which again, GW stopped printing
Non-issue, all are readily available online to download for free.
>utter vitriol hatred so many people have for players who enjoyed the earlier editions
What do you care? Don't you have your friends to play with like you said?
>So you don't actually have models? If you've played with your friends, you should already have your models.
Have you never wanted to expand your army? To try something new? Maybe to redo an old model because you got better at painting? Do you even play?
Your arguments make zero fricking sense and I don't even know what you're trying to say, absolutely no discontinued kits are hard to get and how the frick were you playing for years if you didn't have an army? Your shit is absolutely moronic. You said your group played old editions and they want to play old editions now, just fricking play them then.
>The issue is this is like 3.5 and 5th ed for dnd. When the company moves on you are treated like a leper anywhere you go, you cant get anyone to play it outside of that small group
first of all, people play 3.5 all the fricking time, stop being a fricking victim
second of all, you said you already had a playgroup. Obviously if walk into a random store and start asking strangers if they want to play 7th edition or whatever they're going to look at you like you're a fricking moron, but if you have friends or at least acquaintances it's not that hard
jesus christ, Ganker don't be a weirdo social outcast for 5 minutes challenge is impossible
my club has tweens playing Man o' War and it was available for all of a few months in the 90s, maybe you get treated by a leper because your new hobby is whining like a b***h and you don't actually want to do anything to change your circumstances.
I mean I've seen all of what, two of your posts and you're already boiling my piss, I can't think how awful it must be to try and put up with a useless sack of shit like you IRL.
To be fair, aside from counters overload Man O'war is the single best wargame GW ever made.
>We got into the game when it was an entirely different system, we had fun with that, we played almost every weekend using that system
So why the frick aren't you guys playing the old edition that you liked? Even if GW's death squad broke into your homes and burned your books, you can find all the PDFs you need on this very board.
Nice fake post
If you have a group of friends who played the old rules, just keep doing so?
Don't come in here with your lies
I hate how wotc has ruined MTG but I still have a cube of all my favorite cards to draft with friends and we have a blast
It's more that people always underestimate just how much heavy lifting 'real history' does when you riff heavily on it as inspiration for world building. You can make all sorts of assumptions on how things will work and be organised because that's how it was in our world. Also having a lot of background written up for WFRP helped too; I don't think that the Sigmar game(s, is it plural now?) have either the same freedom, tone or available time to dive into the societal minutiae 1e did. And being at a time when White Dwarf was still relevant and had actual articles in it helped there too.
>Grey Knights are becoming a universal ally option for Imperium forces rather than a stand alone army with Custodes intended to fill their former niche.
Never forgiving Custodes for this btw. Grey Knights got so overshadowing they are literally npcing them.
Hopefully they buff their rules to make them really strong in compensation, give me back a squad of librarians, instead of the pathetic teleporting spam nonsense we have now.
>Another Grey Knight player who was happy to be the super-special super space marines mad because Custodes came along to be the super-special super space marines better
You love to see it.
b***h I was made when they took away my demon hunters codex for that shitty 5th edtion book with the baby carriers. Custodies are the incarnation of new 40k bad lore though, new players get what they deserve.
Grey Knights were always an ally faction zoomer, making them an army was cancerous
>t was intended to be a gateway game and a competitive casual tournament product
wrong
it was a dumping ground for unused product concepts
the first season (shadespire) was comprised of models intended to be "unit upgrades"
since then they've just used it as a vehicle to sell the test concepts they make for future releases
whole thread is fake and gay LARP
>Legionnes Imperialis has massively underperformed.
They're out of stock on fricking everything for it, how the frick can it be underperforming if they're selling out everything they're producing for it?
Because geedubs can't stock anything on account of having a whole ten injection molding machines at their disposal. They made everything produced locally, and now they can't meet demand, and constantly "selling out" looks good to investors.
>How can it underperform and be out of stock?
BEING A FRICK IDIOT, THE GW BEGINNERS GUIDE:
STEP 1: put out projections to sell one gorillion units
STEP 2: make significantly less because you forgot the same place makes all your systems model ranges and can't magically fart more out of thin air
STEP 3: Sell out and have no more to sell
STEP 4: Wheres the gorrillion poonds we promised ourselves????
Corpos are like 80% luck and most of the time fricking winging it to success.
>the new mandate is that a customer should be replacing their army every 3-4 years. Long enough to grow attached emotionally but not long enough to be unwilling to buy another
I can absolutely see GW doing this, so I'm taking all of this at face value.
I feel the same.
I mainly base this on the fact that GW is releasing new editions to its games every 3 years.
40k 8th edition was in 2017, 9th edition started in 2020, and 10th edition started in 2023.
So next one is going to be 2026.
>Warhammer Underworlds is ending Production this year
Good. I'm surprised it lasted this long after how bad they handled Beastgrave.
>Warhammer Underworlds is ending Production this year. There is one final box planned after Wintermaw along with limited time reprint boxes of the most popular warbands of the past coming in quarterly waves as a last hurrah.
Every Underworlds player knew this 2 years ago as the lead stated there were only four more core boxes planned as they did not want to start creating warbands that were just older warband but newer.
>It was intended to be a gateway game and a competitive casual tournament product and didn't succeed at either and
This is half true. Underworlds was a gateway game but not for anything GW was making. Underworlds allows Steamforged Games' God Tear and Corvus Belli's aristeia! to get a new player base.
>the cost in board and cards makes them less profit than the Warcry Terrain so its being dropped.
this is bullshit as this was the planned ending of the game.
>This is considered leaks
picrel
yeah no, this sounds like your fears an speculations, not insider info
using the games workshop logo instead of one of your own pictures shows you're playing the part as well
>Legionnes Imperialis has massively underperformed. Some of the blame is placed on people expecting Epic 40k again and not wanting pure HH on a smaller scale. Others blame the launch window. Expect support for another year or two but like Aeronautica this game won't be around for very long.
Yeah no shit. Everyone wanted a GW supported NetEpic Armageddon, and instead we got a watered down Space Marine wank fest instead with nothing in it that was particularly interesting or revolutionary.
They drove the nails into their own coffin when they said they wouldn't be bothering to do any Xenos forces. I can't even see what it offered to me as an Ork and DKoK NetEA player.
If they wanted a successful game all they had to do was to bounce on any of the NetEA (or variants) Discords and see what people were playing mostly and just ask the people there what they wanted.
Anyway, it doesn't really matter, all factions are already completely covered by 3D printable minis and you'd have a real struggle to find something in any of the lists that you couldnt just print off these days. Hell, even TTS has most of the lists completely covered with minis too for online play.
GW really is its own worst enemy.
I'm really glad that GW stayed away from Epic proper. None of the players of the gaming club managed to get a LI box before they were out of stock, which is hilarious. I don't have to face any oversized rhino using GW rules that would change every 6 months. I can still play the same Epic with both my friends and the guys at the gaming club. Thanks James!
>None of the players of the gaming club managed to get a LI box before they were out of stock, which is hilarious.
You too huh? Same for me, tried to get one on release - buying into the hype - but I missed the window and there was no stock. Then by the time there was stock I'd read about what the craic with the game was and how the scale differed and had lost interest in it.
As someone who also does historical gaming, I can see why you might not want to make a Franco-Prussian line for your American Civil War range.
For the GW ecosystem, less so. I know that's how epic started back in the day, but it didn't stay there for long.
Incidentally, I would honestly love it if they'd had the confidence to do genuinely historical Warhammer when it came to TOW and ... Well, call it a Great Crusade expansion for HH. AoS has, if nothing else, showed there are some interesting ideas lurking in the designers notebooks. But I can understand why they wouldn't.
Yeah, I don't see why they tried to turn LI into a rivet counter game for fictional wars. There's plent of rivet counter games for actual wars in the 10mm space. Horus Heresy will never be able to compete with WW2 for popularity.
You say that but most HH players are extreme rivet counters. Hell look at the general here to see people b***hing about microscopic armor changes for multiple threads.
That's my point though. GW already has a rivet counter game. There's no reason to make a second one in a scale dominated by better rivet counter games.
Mantic announced their own version of Epic Warpath, saying they'd been working on it for a while before GW suddenly announced it and asked the Mantic community if they should even bother continuing.
I'm glad they still did, because boy did GW drop the ball so hard.
>Epic Warpath
Where can I read up on the lore of Warpath and have a gander a the rules?
Try asking in /awg/ as a starting point.
Why play either when Battletech already does epic scale combat in both Classic and Alpha Strike? I bet any Epic/LI idiot would have more fun playing AS with combined arms
>muh 40k setting
GW consumers are choking on slop every day
Battletech setting is dogshit though. I'd play a Gundam game with 2" figures but Battletech stuff is all soft rubber and clunky figures.
>soft rubber
b***h what the frick drugs are you on and where can I buy some?
NTA, but while it's not actually rubber the new Battletech minis are made of real junk plastic. Real pain in the ass for mold line removal and doesn't hold detail that great. It's an understandable tradeoff since they're dirt cheap and sold pre-assembled, but personally I hate working with them. Luckily getting 3d printed mechs is pretty easy these days if I want something sharper.
As a Space Marine/Titan Legions player who hates Epic 40k/Epic Armageddon, I'm just mad that when they finally mea culpa and reboot the line with xenos, they'll probably switch to some NEA bootleg in a new edition and I STILL won't get official rules for Tau.
>Legionnes Imperialis has massively underperformed. Some of the blame is placed on people expecting Epic 40k again and not wanting pure HH on a smaller scale. Others blame the launch window. Expect support for another year or two but like Aeronautica this game won't be around for very long.
Well you can blame GW for fricking shotting themselves in the foot.
They killed the hype themselves by the constant push back of the game, they also are fricking over their player base with highly lmited amount of models
They also frick people over by keeping shit like predators locked behind a $200 starter kit.
On top of all of that, they only have 2 fricking factions. Of course its not going to do good, this is like someone throwing a book into a fire and then getting upset the pages are burning, wtf did you think was going to happen?
>Smaller faster games with more focus on ease of entry.
You can safely read this as "We are going to make this game even more fricking stupid and simpler."
Even if this is true its not surprising seeing with what is happening with WOTC.
It's a shame that we just will see the game shrivel up and die and all the people who made this possible by jumping on to GW move on to there next thing to inflate and promote. We all know that groups running community made or older rulesets will be few and far in between. But hey this is the point of the whole machine right, setting up and paying companies to make a couple rich bastards on the board even richer so they can sell stocks and move on when things go sour in the long run.
We all saw the signs a long ass time ago but we didn't want to abandon these settings we grew up to love so much. All we had to do was organize not even 3 months of not buying nonessential paints and model kits to get them to listen but thats an impossibility this day and age isn't it.
>It's a shame that we just will see the game shrivel up and die and all the people who made this possible by jumping on to GW move on to there next thing to inflate and promote
Remember when all those old guard guys were telling people this was exactly going to happen, that the game was going to get dumbed down to appeal to more people but then fizzle out? Remember when we were all saying their are ruining the game that people spent 20+ years of investment in and hat the current games are shadows of their predecessors? I remember it. And man, it feels good to be right again.
GW decided to trade out loyal die hard fans that would alwasy support them and were constantly buying things even if it was not a lot all at once, they always would go in and spend money, for the fast, fly by night, burn and churn crowd, which lives bright, burns hot, and dies out fast.
Im gonna start buying 7th ed shit just to make sure i have it, because despite its flaws and there are many, 7th at least was the last time 40k was really still 40k that it once was.
I will never pretend that 7th was any fricking good. 7th was so unbelievably shitty that it nearly fricking killed 40k as a hobby and I refuse to accept the fricking revisionism that it was ever any good.
7th was fine until angles of death, that was when it sucked ass.
No, absolutely not. 7th was horrendously bad, as 6th was significantly worse than 5th and GW at the time under Kirby was beyond terrible, with GW practices being at their absolute worst, far worse so than what bullshit they're pulling now.
I can accept that 7th was bad, i cant accept that the current state of 40k is some how not as bad or worse then 7th.
7th you could at least get away with a lot more shit and verity, all comers list were more common and viable, now the fricking game is fooded with fricking netlest garbage.
That's a culture issue of modern zoomoids being fricking cancer more than the actual game itself. I can still never fricking live down GW literally halving the models in boxes and charging the same if not more for the same fricking minis.
I miss start collecting so much
TO BE FAAAAAIIIRR though
>That's a culture issue of modern zoomoids being fricking cancer more than the actual game itself.
The same could have been said for 7th ed too. 7th ed did allow for super fluffy and fun lists, the problem was shitters would come in and spam bullshit like invisibility, min squads for a demi company and then get like 500 points of free shit.
Like the 7th rule set was fine, it was just made shitty by shitty people. Hell you could say taht about any ruleset really
But i agree with you, the game was made super shit
Nah, it was better in earlier editions, i could go in and actually buy the models i wanted, i did not just have to order it online, i would actually chat and bullshit with the store owner/clerk and we would talk about painting and shit. would even set up games.
Now the only reason i ever go into a store at least a GW proper store anymore is to just to pick up an order, because going in its always the same thing. "Oh we dont have that you can order it." no one is playing games, no ones is wanting to bullshit and chat, get your shit and get out mentality.
GW does not foster gaming communities like they used to. though FLGS still do which is comfy as frick.
>shitters would come in and spam bullshit
That means that the game is bad.
People will optimise the way they play, thats how games work, if you dont want that you got RP, otherwise, if the optimal way to play the game is not the one intended by the author, its because author doesnt know what the frick hes doing
I disagree, i dont think taht means the game is bad, it just means that unit is bad and needs to be adjusted. For example, Daemons were not a problem army, running the flying circus with like 5 demon prices in taht one formation was an issue. Thats not an issue with the army, or the game, its an issue with that formation that was the problem.
5th was so so good, the only bad thing about 5th that i did not like was the unkillable rhino. But liek i miss the days when if you brought a LR and a 5 man terminator squad that was like...1/3rd your army or more. Like dropping a LR was WOAH that was a center piece model.
I miss 5th edition so much, even with musical wounds and bullshit like that
7th was only a cancer because eldar rules existed. Without eldar (vide HH) the 7th ed rule set is not much worse or better then any other edition GW made.
>Without eldar (vide HH) the 7th ed rule set is not much worse or better then any other edition GW made.
No. Absolutely wrong. Eldar were the worst offenders yes but even if you remove them you still have
>Formations
>Psychic phase
>Hull points
>Superheavies
>Flyers
>Fortifications
>Allies
>Formations made of formations
>Supplements
>Grav Weapons
>USR (not the concept, the implementation)
And this is without mentioning all the bullshit in other codexes. You remove Eldar and you still have Centurions around or shit like free points formations or Tau or...
I am not sure what was wrong with the psychic phase, but most of the other stuff (foramations, allias etc) exist and were used because eldar were a thing. If a space marine army could work just as chapter X army, people would have played it that way. But because you needed a storm seer with the eye to hang around your brick of centurions, and those centurions (being slow) requiring Gate(Draigo) to be run, armies that could became a patch work.
The riptide wing being run in every army or stuff like having a farseer buff a tide(because it was a unit when it had drones), were run, becuase everyone had to combat eldar and the craziness everyone else had to run to even try to get a 40% win rate vs an eldar list.
Now some armies just sucked, and yeah stuff like (or was that in 6th?) landing pads with 9 saber weapon platforms, was annoying.
Also it was annoying when one army got a demi company formation (all transports free for those that didn't play 7th), while your couldn't fit in to a 1999pts army even if you tried to. But that was just regular GW shit. 7th was GW trying to do the good old "what do we do to not nerf eldar, but make other armies be able to play against them". Only thing new for some people was that for those who didn't remember 3.5 or 4th ed, they weren't used to the gap in power. A but like early 10th eldar made playing everything other then eldar a stupid choice. HPJY8
>I am not sure what was wrong with the psychic phase
Having a dozen tables full of completely shit powers and having to play yatzee to get the actual good ones which were so good they flipped the phase from "completely irrelevant" to "I hope you have some antipsyker measure or you allied a Culexus if you want to have a chance" was fine to you?
You think that without Eldar to contend with a Centurion Brick wasn't going to lay waste to every other army in the game? You think that if Eldar didn't exist people would look at Gladius and think "of course getting all transports is bullshit, I would never actually do that"?
>But that was just regular GW shit. 7th was GW trying to do the good old "what do we do to not nerf eldar, but make other armies be able to play against them".
Anon I absolutely despise Elder but again, you remove them wholesale from 7th edition and you still have an edition full as frick of bullshit even without touching the individual codexes, which had a lot of bullshit.
>Marines getting free points, ally etc All existed and were used because if you didn't a mono eldar list would stomp over you.
You realise that the Marine codex came out before the Elder codex right?
And again, if Eldar weren't around people wouldn't have taken allies or abused everything else is a cope and you know it
>Like the 7th rule set was fine, it was just made shitty by shitty people.
That's straight up revisionism. 7th edition ruleset was full as frick of gigantic problems. The edition wasn't bad because people abused it, it was bad because in order to not abuse it you would have to strip down the core rules from so much things the only remaining rules would be the core that was passed down since 3rd edition. Having a single invincible marine character in terminator armour in front of a 20 model conscript unit somehow shielding everyone of them from incoming fire wasn't an abuse, was how the edition was supposed to work. Even if nobody decide to use invisibility the psychic phase was still complete shit. And so on.
It litteraly boiled down to, does your store have people playing eldar? if yes, then X, Y and Z are going to be feels bad all edition no matter what you do, some things will have to run an ultra specific tournament build to function and others will have to wait for 700 "free" points to even try for their army to start working.
To this day I remember watching a report where the eldar player started his tanks facing backwards, gave up turn 1 and then tabled the tyranid player by turn end of turn 4. And this was with regular eldar, because when GW in their wisdom dropped Ynnari, it litteraly went back to 2ed in what eldar could do to another army.
>It litteraly boiled down to, does your store have people playing eldar? if yes, then X, Y and Z are going to be feels bad all edition no matter what you do
Again, even if nobody played Eldar you still had a bunch of other armies playing that role. Eldar were the bigger fish yes but it's not like a Tau army wasn't going to table a Ork Army or a Dark Eldar army 99% of the times unless he played some ridicolous thing like monokroot. And considering Marines were just below Eldar in terms of bullshit good luck in finding a store were nobody played them.
The design choice made through out 7th ed, were litteraly done to make other faction be able to have something else then a one sided match with eldar. Marines getting free points, ally etc All existed and were used because if you didn't a mono eldar list would stomp over you. Now an eldar list, even pre Ynnari didn't have to be mono, but unlike armies of other factions it worked as a mono army.
To use your tau vs orks/DE example. The advice given to d.eldar players in 7th about how to build their armies were "start by taking a farseer and waveserpents with DireAva". Again difference in power, some armies sucking or being limited to "codex helldrake" always existed. This was nothing new in 7th. What was new was the edition warping affect of how powerful eldar are.
the marine player HAD to run super friends. This wasn't an option. Which in return his ork opponent had to build his army with both Eldar AND superfriends in mind.
But if the eldar weren't the way they were, people wouldn't be forced in to specific choices for their armies and the meta would look different. When one army is dripping in D weapon, you are not going to see many vehicles (unless they are very specific ones).
>When one army is dripping in D weapon, you are not going to see many vehicles (unless they are very specific ones).
You weren't going to see any vehicle even without Strength D, because Grav was a thing.
And why was grav a thing? Because when you are hitting stuff on a +6 anyway you may as well want the best weapon at the time.
>And why was grav a thing?
Because GW released new tactical squads and marine kits and needed a reason for all the people that already had them to buy them again
>Because when you are hitting stuff on a +6 anyway you may as well want the best weapon at the time.
Are you seriously implying that people wouldn't have taken the weapon with more shots that plasma that is better than plasma against infantry and two shotted vehicles at a greater range than melta if invisibility wasn't around?
Also invisibility wasn't an Elder thing, Marines used it as much thanks to their librarian conclaves.
>Grav
Again, dosnt that literally give credence to what I have said about 7th? It was fine until angles of death, thats when shit went down hill.
So if an army is to be replaced every 3-4 year, then anyone who takes 2-3 years to buy and build one should not be starting warhammer as a gaming hobby, but at best as a painting one. Well I do hope that GW makes their side games played with one box of a unit or with the patrol/venguard sets something fun and good to play.
>Legionnes Imperialis has massively underperformed
its literally unavailable after the first week of sale.
If it's real, I assume it's talking about all the extra stuff that came out after the big box, a lot of which haven't even sold out of their first run (depending on region I guess)
Which is not exactly a good thing either, see
I'm NTA but I was in a similar situation, I wanted to bite the bullet on an infantry box, but I ended up buying from Vanguard instead due to non availability of the range on GW site. Right now we are playing fan made Epic, and one day I will wake up wanting to go try again buying from GW but the game will hit its 2 years age limit and will be discontinued. Sad!
yeah i wanted either infantry box or even the support boxes. all sold out day 1.
im sure some of the less popular tanks are collecting dust though. why would you want 2 mini malcador flame tanks or whatever when you could have a box of 80 infantry for the same price.
Yeah thats what happens when you print the bare minimum because you still dont understand you lack the infastructure to produce 7+ game systems model lines at once.
Magical Thinking and Corpos exist hand in hand. It HAS to meet projections, because we wished really hard! ....oh no!
>Expect more than Stormcast Eternals to get a large range discontinuing. Post lockdown/Indomitus the people holding the purse strings, mainly those who jumped in from other parts of the tabletop pie like TCG's, have been asking "what do you mean people buy product and then may go a decade without buying more?" and the new mandate is that a customer should be replacing their army every 3-4 years. Long enough to grow attached emotionally but not long enough to be unwilling to buy another.
>>This means a few armies/subfactions are going away in the next two years
Kirby tier moronation to expect this to work on any army that isn't marines.
Oh sweet bubbeleh. You are just assumuning models are going away and leaving a void.
They want you to buy new models to stay meta. Thats how the wotc scam works. Thats why Planeswalkers were invented.
What do you think Primarchs are?
>What do you think Primarchs are?
A way to make no-games to buy models
Imperialis has massively underperformed.
How can it underperform when you can't buy it?
My LGS has a bunch of starter army boxes for TOW on shelves but the only LI thing is a Warlord titan
>source: the depths of my gaping butthole
>TOW is underperforming against projections but not massively
you got worked into a shoot, mark
everything is sold out and the scope of the project has expanded
Every store I go to selling Warhammer still has ToW on shelves. A lot of it, actually.
>LI underperformed
no xenos, no kits in stock, no shit
I just want the old GW back bros....
where I could go in on a game evening or whatever and throw some dice
now its all "the entire week is dedicated to battle honours but nobody ever does it so the shop is empty, while I practically have nowhere to play because GW expects its veteran players to play somewhere else or at home
I guaran-fricking-tee you you do not want the “Old GW” back. If nothing else, Old GW is the reason why New GW made half the decisions it did.
Can we hear some examples, to better shatter the rose-colored glasses?
Especially regarding what things about the Old Days pushed GW to become New GW
It’s a great question because unlike most “new thing bad” threads, “Old GW” and “New GW” actually have a basis in reality. Tom Kirby was the leader of the company for twenty years until 2014. “Old GW” and “New GW” are a legitimate material lens to view the company.
By 2014 Kirby’s tenure was incredibly stagnant. Someone in the company (maybe Kirby himself, I don’t know) stated “we’re a model company, not a game company”. I don’t know who said that but it was a perfect encapsulation of Kirby’s GW. In 40k the rules sucked and the lore was perma-frozen. GW was just completely okay with cutting support for underperforming ranges (which were underperforming because of lack of support). This basically included the entire WFB line, which was losing handedly to its only other competitor in large-scale miniature games, 40k.
AoS was developed by Kirby’s GW - old GW - and everything about it matches that “we’re not a game company” ethos. AoS didn’t have competitive rules, just pretty models. Old GW was completely okay with wiping out everything that made the models interesting because in their arrogance they thought people were buying them because they look pretty. The arrogance only compounded with finecast undermining the miniatures entirely.
New Gw isn’t perfect, but they only went ahead with AoS because of the resources already sunk into it. New Gw had to play Kirby’s hand, and to an extent they didn’t do too bad, even if a string of bad decisions can be traced back to it. If nothing else, they listened to their players instead of their players’ wallets, something old Gw was allergic to. Old GW were the ones who wanted to destroy ToW and evidently new GW is the GW that’s interested in bringing it back, even if only as nostalgia-bate.
It’s never going to go back to ten grogs making a game in their basement. It’s an international corporation and I prefer the new GW over the stagnant, arrogant one.
>In 40k the rules sucked
It's comforting to see some traditions never fade.
All I remember was Triptides started in 6th or 7th and made me want to stop playing Tau. Triptides continued into 8th but that eventually got fixed. Lo and behold, after a couple decades of begging for auxiliaries, kroot are getting updated.
New GW does a lot of means testing but old GW just straight up didn’t give a shit.
Mam, I remember considering Tau as my first army a year or two before the Riptide codex hit. I probably wouldn't get them (like I refused Basilisks in IG), but I would have exploited the hell out of markerlights.
The only reason the "new" GW brought back TOW is because they see potential in it and total war sparked enough interest.
As much as I love WFB and want TOW to succeed once the nostalgia glasses wear off and people get the kits they want I think it will start pefrorming poorly. I mean the only reason I managed to convince myself to buy TK minis is because the aftermarket prices are even worse than GWs. I would've never paid that much for repackaged 20 year old kits. Plus, I think a lot of people coming in from total war will realize the hobby is not for them or they won't like how shit a lot of the minis look and drop the hobby
>The only reason the "new" GW brought back TOW
I've seen an interview with some old fart that said it was a plan to make it into a Specialist game from the start, so its more sustainable
>because of lack of support
FB had too little support so succeed is, and always was, and always will be a giant bag of bullshit, its simply not true
Well WFB wasn’t succeeding. It had become a redundant product because its only other competition was another GW product that was lapping it in terms of revenue. So if WFB wasn’t succeeding due to lack of support, it wasn’t succeeding because it was a fundamentally worse product than 40k. Those are your words, not mine.
You’re right, but unfortunately they’re a company and so most of their decisions have to be made with profit in mind. I’m someone with no interest in ToW despite my interest in WFB. Personally, I’d much rather have the AoS models be squeezed back into WFB in a Rank and Flank game. There’s no doubt in my mind that they just found a warehouse full of 90’s sprues and started hucking them at players. I’m simply not interested in the frumpy old plastic, but more power to those who are.
Fricking exactly. Though the presence of alternatives won’t stop complaining, because after all the arrogant talk about gatekeeping the hobby from the normies and Sovl and old GW, even grogs want the social element of the hobby and the reality is warhammer has like 95% of the market. Some grogs, to solve the contradictions in their desires, make peace with the fact that their preferred games are unpopular. But most just come here and complain GW isn’t revolving around people who don’t even buy the miniatures.
>It’s never going to go back to ten grogs making a game in their basement.
Most people here don't even want the 10 grogs in their basement approach anyway despite being SOVL and whatnot because if they did they'd be playing /awg/ games or reading 28mag which is free and has all the hobby article they complain about missing.
>old gw, old gw, old gw
>is talking about 2014
Zoom off into the distance and fricking stay there, for real for real, no cap
2/10
You're trying too hard.
Do better.
If that's accurate I can't honestly say they "did okay" with Age of Sigmar because they kept the lore of it this bad. Lore is easy if you hire people who are good at it, it's very flexible. You can write completely different lore for the same locked in models very easily.
Anyway my biggest gripe relates to the Fall of Cadia/Primaris onwards 40K lore because it just as completely wrecked a setting I liked much more. Wonder which sides idea that was.
I do want old GW back but by that I actually mean old GW not fricking 2010s GW like you do
Same
I miss affably evil but detached and slow to respond GW. Also every single sprue and metal piece was available to buy.
Now it's hyper-consumerism FOMO churn with autistic balancing of games that aren't fun to play.
>Also every single sprue and metal piece was available to buy.
I remember a time when you could get all sorts of shit from the online store.
Gosh, if only I could have raided the thing for all the models I want now.
Imagine if we could even just still order sprues.
>GW expects its veteran players to play somewhere else or at home
started playing as a kid in the early 2000s and even when GW stores had lovingly crafted DIY terrain most of them were cramped, sure the few megapolises with battle bunkers would have been nice to play at, but GW stores have always been smaller than the demand for tables
you absolutely should have somewhere else to play at
also, OP is full of shit
Same here. A dank little shop where everything looked incredible and the walls were full of blister packs and those awesome looking boxed models like the orc on wyvern.
It's all so sterile now.
As a kid, my local GW was a magical place, it had all the boxes on the walls, the blisters, the old art on the front of the boxes instead of just pictures of the models.
My mom used to not like the look of the art on the skaven and chaos boxes and kept trying to make me look at high elves and eldar because they looked less grisly, but that only made me want them more.
Seeing the demo armies on the farm battle ground table, occasionally seeing two people playing and then having the guy running the store show me what boxes made the units they were using.
I used to get so excited walking past my old store, they even had the outside look like a castle.
This is all just regurgitating some of the most popular predictions and theories.
>Yes Kislev was scrapped because of Russia invasion of Ukraine
Really, they should just go ahead and emphasise that the city of Kislev is based upon the Ukranian city of Kyiv and not any place in Russia. Scrappy and determined underdogs facing down against the horde of numberless, soulless evil to their north has been the Kislev thing for years. Just write up that they're currently facing down the forces of the Nurgle-Lord 'Vladimir Putrid' or something.
>Nurgle-Lord 'Vladimir Putrid' or something.
That got a chuckle out of me.
You paint models and think har har, but then I work at a post office and one day a truck comes and a bunch of soldiders are trying to send 56 new tiers and 6 radiators home. And they do not want to pay for the sending by weight of the objectes and have multiple weapon like "arguments" to enforce it. It was one of the reason my mother told me to frick off and find work outside of Belarus.
>Nurgle-Lord 'Vladimir Putrid'
Fricking lmao. I wish James still did shit like this
Nice, this would be unironically a good way to handle it. Also
>Putrid
I lol'd.
>also leaked new model for marines
That's a better mini than any tacticool Primaris.
Alright, if this is an STL, where is it from? I will get my first space marine-related figure.
I've found the STL if anyone wants to buy and print a furry spess wulf: https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/space-wolf-shammalammamumu
Nice Space Wolf
Im gonna fricking cum
How is the talk around the office regarding the response to the squatting in AoS?
>>All Resin is being phased out by 2025 to comply with new government rulings on none recyclable plastic to avoid bigger tax charges
the frick do you even think this means
>new government rulings
first of all, the government doesn't make rulings in the UK; courts do, but they wouldn't have in this case because you're linking those "rulings" to "bigger tax charges", which the courts have no authority to set
so at best you might mean regulations, which the government has the power to change under existing legislation, but I haven't seen any references to this forthcoming change in 2025 and the closest thing I do know of is the (old) change to the EPR regulations - but those changes only apply to PACKAGING, not to products
there's no Bills before Parliament and nothing pending taking effect in 2024/25 that could possibly cause what you're predicting
also, it's fricking Q2 2024, and they're still releasing new resin products, if they were phasing out resin before 2025, they wouldn't be doing that, you fricking mong
>all that
the very first thing you said was total dogshit, I ain't even gonna read the second line you dumb c**t
>courts
>not government
smoothest smooth brain
Literally 99% of what he said was obviously bullshit, and 1% is just older rumors. But spare me the 'OMG HE SAID RULINGS INSTEAD OF REGULATIONS/LAWS/WHATEVER THE FRICK OBVIOUSLY BULLSHIT.' 99% of people don't give a shit or know the difference between a court ruling or a government law or regulation etc. It's a stop thing to go on a little rant about.
>>All Resin is being phased out by 2025 to comply with new government rulings on none recyclable plastic to avoid bigger tax charges
Bait. GW's recent behavior of releasing resin characters for HH and TOW is not consistent with a winding down of resin production.
Actual insider here. Not joking or trolling.
OP is telling lies.
Then tell us something happening soon that Fatrak doesn't know about.
Time tell if this is true or not. Unless op can give us something that's proof of any of this, it's a wait and see. Don't se your harlequins just yet anons.
That being said, at the very least the way this was written does sound somewhat plausible. Alot of these are really fricking stupid decisions that only half senile old farts would decide on.
It's obviously not true.
No idea how Warcry will become like Mordheim or even modern Necromundan because of limited options for models. There are really no alternate builds for most of the AoS stuff and I highly doubt GW will ever release upgrade kits or anything of the sort. So, that obviously leaves kitbashing and that and while GW doesn't discourage it, they also don't really encourage it. If you were to transition Warcry to be more Necromundaesque, equipment would be horribly, horribly limited.
With that said, I think it'd be neat. Since Warcry came out I've wanted to make a conversion of Nucromunda's rules for it, but never got beyond much. If this is to work, with AoS being more focused on melee combat, they'd need to bring back WS and I, which Nucromunda doesn't have, at least with comparative WS of a model's opponent (sadly). Seems like GW wouldn't bother to do any of the above, considering the idea of "if it's not in the box, it's not an option" mentality or the complete removal of options and you just play with your new toy.
>>Yes Kislev was scrapped because of Russia invasion of Ukraine
butthurt russian can't resist outing himself by slipping this in during his larp
is there ANYONE with a bigger victim complex?
Judging by your post, NAFOtroons
If the government wants to phase out resin what does this mean for 3d printing
Probably less for enthusiasts than it does for the corporations responsible for producing a vast majority of waste/pollutants. They try to market it as "everyone needs to do their part," but imposing restrictions on the biggest contributors while neglecting a miniscule DIY hobbyist demographic is still going to make a huge difference overall.
That's a big 'if', because I can't find any hint at some new measure that would be at all relevant. There's been some new taxes on single-use plastic packaging, and some updated health & safety regs for handling polyurethane sealants, but no sign of anything that would impact the manufacture of PU resin figures
>With the rise in alternate hobby products such as paints and tools the range of Citadel Paints is being reduced. If something has an option where a Contrast Paint can fill the role of both expect the Base/Layer of said colour to go away. Primers are also being cut down to Grey Seer, Chaos Black, Mechanicus Standard Grey, Iron Warriors, Zandri Dust and Death Guard Green.
Abject horeshit, GW just opened a new factory in Nottingham barely a year ago which is specifically dedicated to paint production
Really? Are there not using HMG paints anymore or whatever that company was called
They switched from HMG to a French company called Colart in the late '90s (whenever it was they switched from the tall pots to the screw-top bullet pots, 1998/'99?), and then when they relaunched the paint range around 2012 they brought the production back to the UK. Since then, production's been based out of the main Nottingham factories, with this new facility being opened to give paint production its own consolidated space
Which DG units are getting squatted do y’all think?
I think they might squat the Poopy Fartificer and the Braap-o-mancer. Flatulence MacDia'rrhea might go as well, his model doesn't have enough shit on it to fit with more modern ones.
Blight-hauler, Chosen of Mortarion and pic related. Basically all the old easy to build kits
hate these fricking models so here's hoping you're right
>Cathay however was never really happening. Araby *might* be.
>Cathay have lore section in the rulebook
>Araby barely mentioned in the rulebook
>TOW is underperforming against projections
>Constantly sold out
IDK if it's you or the projections, but something is moronic.
Guys, do you really think that someone would do this, just go on the internet and tell lies to people? Is modern man truly so depraved that he would so readily and happily deceive his fellows?
>nothing on kill team
Based. GW knows their mistake of a game is shit and only held aloft by rabid influencers and their equally moronic fans.
Kill team capitalized on the fly by night GW fans. People who swoop in, drop like 2-300 bucks then drop outta the hobby never to be seen again. Kill team just held on because it was easier to drag those fly by night fans into the store because it was a low model count game.
Old kill team was WAY better, and infract the fan made kill teams were even better.
This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. KT18 was bad, like hilariously bad. Its every attempt to reinvent itself over its run was even worse; Arena, Commanders, etc. Finally we got Pariah Nexus which was just a showcase for NuCrons and Heavy Intercessors fighting in a Laser Tag Arena. No one bought it, Heavy Intercessors were broken and KT18 died a quiet, pathetic death.
KT21 fixed it all with a single trailer and has been a dropping amazing content ever since.
>KT18 was bad
>He thinks i mean KT18
No anon, when i say old KT i mean OLD kt like 4th and 5th edition.
Oh you mean the ones no one played? Got it.
>I have no empathy or theory of mind
No wonder you enjoy nu-KT
>KT21 fixed it all with a single trailer and has been a dropping amazing content ever since.
Shut the frick up, moron.
Kek. Look at this zoomergay thinking KT18 is the original Kill Team. Ever heard of Brute squads and Klaxon kiddo?
Heralds of Ruin mogs any official kill team product
Fricking THIS, jfc the most fun in this hobby i ever had was playing 7th ed HoR.
I mean HoR had some busted stuff like assassins, they were so broken even after i tried fixing them i could not do it. But yeah our store ran a HoR campaign and it had like 20 people that were consistently showing up.
I can not stress how good HoR is.
Heralds of Ruin was literally just worse Mordheim.
Worse mordhiem is better then current KT though.
Not really. HoR games could end in the first round with just a single roll, it's like the worst of current Warcry with a thin Mordheim campaign veneer.
>HoR games could end in the first round with just a single roll,
Fricking how?
I have played metric frick tons of HoR and this has never happened once, im gonna need you to explain to me how a single role ends the game in the first round.
I take it back, it was 2 turns on Doomsday Device. The Ultramarines player rocked up on the first one in his deployment zone, rolled and found the device. I spent my turn trying to get even within the same fricking zipcode but even with Deldar I couldn't come close enough to contest it. So, turn 2 he controls it and rolls a 6. Game over. GG.
Heralds of Ruin is a shit game. There was like no point even playing that.
>I take it back, it was 2 turns on Doomsday Device
Ok, so you went from
>Bro the game can end on a single rule on turn one
to
>It can end on turn 2 on a specific mission, if if a unit is on the point, and they happen to roll a 6
Man stop clowning, that's not a problem with HoR, thats a problem with most liekly how you set the board up, and or you did not bring anything that can actually move across the board.
HoR is fine, you just managed to land all the worst options possible.
You are upset becuase some how, as a Deldar player you did not bring anything fast enough to zip across the board? You know the faction that is known for being fast? Bro thats a you issue not a game issue, and some times the dice just dont roll in your favor, thats the game.
The game encourages you to make your own missions, and that the ones in the book are example missions not hte only ones.
HoR was and still is probably the best 40k KT version out there.
It was two rolls and it was the START of the second turn so essentially one turn. It's not like I got a second turn's worth of reactions. I didn't. He rolled, I lost.
>thats a problem with most liekly how you set the board up
The markers can be anywhere on the table 6" from board edge and eachother. The frick are you saying, moron?
>and or you did not bring anything that can actually move across the board.
You're right, I didn't have anything that could move 20" in a single turn. Goofy ass. You really sucking HoR's dick so hard you can't just admit it's shit when it's shit?
>The game encourages you to make your own missions, and that the ones in the book are example missions not hte only ones.
"This game is great! But only when you do the work of designing it for them." lol, lmao even
>HoR was and still is probably the best 40k KT version out there.
The amount of self-delusion on display here is alarming. I don't even like KT21 but to ever say HoR is an upgrade is something only someone with a room temperature IQ would say.
I'd rather play Boarding Actions than HoR. Hell, I'd rather play Combat Patrol.
nta but that still sounds a really shitty game if it can just end off a single dice roll with no counterplay.
If this is true you'd know what the release order for the old world would be.
>Legionnes Imperialis has massively underperformed
>Expect support for another year or two but like Aeronautica this game won't be around for very long.
Say it ain't so, chief. I was really hoping it would do well so that we could eventually get Battlefleet Gothica back. I blame GW for botching the release window, delaying all the new kits, and not restocking for months. It never had a chance.
>All Resin is being phased out by 2025
If they were doing that they they would not have brought back all that shit for TOW in resin.
How bored do you have to be to make all this shit up?
>TOW is underperforming against projections but not massively
Yeah, that's because you currently sell like two or is it four now factions?
>Legionnes Imperialis has massively underperformed.
Well, again, you could have provided more than two factions on the horizon and executed the whole thing better. "Early Eldar" and "Early Orks" as well as proper Guard and Nids should have been a no brainer.
> Its unconfirmed but don't expect Fyreslayers to be around forever.
Whomever makes AOS shoupd really circoe the wagons with productions and sales goals, then put the lore out there then release products... it always feels very Wild West over in Sigmar land
>Ogres not mentioned at all
Fatties keep on trucking even in OP's schizo dreams.
Truly only diabetes can stop us.
You vill buy ze plastic and you vill be happy when ze rules get updated to make them useless to use on the tabletop
>All Resin is being phased out by 2025 to comply with new government rulings on none recyclable plastic to avoid bigger tax charges
THERE IS A GOD.
>>All Resin is being phased out by 2025 to comply with new government rulings on none recyclable plastic to avoid bigger tax charges
Good try anon but the plastic is already recyclable
>Good try anon but the plastic is already recyclable
While most types of industrial plastics are chemically recyclable, there are only two or three that practically recyclable due to existing infrastructure and cost to recycle versus cost to manufacture virgin plastic: PET, PVC and sometimes PP. Resin models aren't PET, PVC, or PP.
Virgin plastic is what we call your toys, for obvious reasons, even after you've... well, you know, "painted" them.
have a nice day
>they're reducing the current amount of primers
>so they're introducing iron warriors, a new primer to swap out with leadbelcher just because
>no red, white, or even blue or gold for the new player factions but fricking zandri dust stays
>also no chaos dwarves because they look too israeli
lol nice leaks bros
I bought a decent amount of Games Workshop shares on Friday, maybe 5% of my net worth. I played Blood Bowl back in the day, Heroquest and so on, I have always wanted to own some GW shares because just owning funds is boring as hell.
Questions for the experts here.
1) Why doesn't GW establish their own games studio instead of farming their IP off to companies like Sega? At the very least GW could build an FPS studio.
2) Do you feel that Warhammer is about to break through to normies? Either through the Henry Cavill project or otherwise.
3) Can GW expand the tabletop audience much more? It seems fairly niche. Would it be suicidal for GW to create an electronic version of their 40k rules set game?
1. they're too short sighted and it's a huge investment and risk, probably hard to pull off for a corporation like this
2. it already did, while tabletop remains fairly niche but I'm almost sure that 40k is one of the more known sci fi settings
3. it will forever remain a niche hobby because it requires a decent bit of effort because of painting/assembling part of the hobby. Most people want to spend their leisure time hassle-free.
>Would it be suicidal for GW to create an electronic version of their 40k rules set game
I think so, I think a lot of people would abandon tabletop if they could play he games online and they make money on models and hobby shit. They'd need to introduce a model where you pay for units the same way you do for kits for it to be as profitable and I doubt anyone would stomach that
those are my opinions mind you
>I think so, I think a lot of people would abandon tabletop if they could play he games online and they make money on models and hobby shit. They'd need to introduce a model where you pay for units the same way you do for kits for it to be as profitable and I doubt anyone would stomach that
Thanks
Yes, I think if there was a 40K 'platform' on Steam with a shit ton of DLC units, it would horribly split the player base. Presumably GW feel safe allowing the Warhammer fantasy universe to exist as an action-strategy game, but the 40k tabletop game is too lucrative.
It's been fun looking at old White Dwarf covers, I owned some of these magazines. I bought the 40k Core book to bring me up to speed on what's happening today.
Considering how hard TTS homosexuals shit up all the games they're involved in, I would probably finally be free of 40k if it went virtual.
>Why doesn't GW establish their own games studio instead of farming their IP off to companies like Sega? At the very least GW could build an FPS studio.
Selling an IP license is low-risk, guaranteed income. Immediate cash, rather than a major investment.
>Do you feel that Warhammer is about to break through to normies?
No. 40k is pure violence-worship mega nerd autism.
>Can GW expand the tabletop audience much more? It seems fairly niche. Would it be suicidal for GW to create an electronic version of their 40k rules set game?
It's never going to be a "big thing." The hobby could be expanded, but this involves GW not being hostile to non-GW aspects of the hobby, so would likely result in little return to them. The best thing they could do for themselves is stop writing shit rules and making shitty creative decisions.
A computer game version of 40k wouldn't cannibalize from tabletop, I don't expect. I'd also expect it to flop, as only tourney-gays (a tiny number of players) would care for it. The appeal of a tabletop wargame is the physical components, the craftsmanship, the lack of limitations.
>No. 40k is pure violence-worship mega nerd autism.
Why can't 40K "do a Marvel" ? Think of the goofy superheroes from old boomer comics, who had their own popular movies. 40K is just as strong an IP, it's no more nerdy or obscure than where Marvel characters such as Dr Strange originated.
Best thing to do would be a "Space Western," or maaaybe an Inquisitor-based story, which just *happens to be set in 40k*. The hard part is having an actual good story to tell. You can't just present people with "Look, Spess Marines and macro cannons, LOL!!"
Developing video games is incredibly expensive and risky and GW have no experience doing it.
Sega and Creative Assembly are a prime example of why GW shouldn't be involved in that industry, general underperformance of several of their products as well as the complete failure of one project to even deliver a game (at the expense of $100 million) has resulted in Sega laying off hundreds of developers, mostly from CA. And that's a publisher and a studio that actually know what they are doing, GW would be entering the industry with no experience or knowledge of that business. It would be a very good way to lose a huge amount of money very quickly.
Conversely licensing out their IP incurs no risk whatsoever and almost no cost, but provides a revenue stream that is pure profit.
>general underperformance of several of their products as well as the complete failure of one project to even deliver a game (at the expense of $100 million) has resulted in Sega laying off hundreds of developers
What exactly are you talking about? I've seen this floating around for a while but I never bothered to check.
I've given CA the middle finger when they stripped dark elves of their mechanics, gave it to chorfs and charged what, 1/3rd of the full game price for the DLC. I don't think even GW would have the balls to be such buttholes
Hyenas. CA wasted hundred million+ on a game they decided was too shit and cringe to release
It was the correct decision at that point. At least someone in management realized this.
Their last total war game was a reskin of Troy and got utterly blasted, they've had a bunch of DLCs flop and most importantly Sega spent $100 million on having them develop a first person shooter called Hyenas that was a disaster during development and Sega canceled the whole thing.
What's the deal with Warhammer Fantasy Battle vs Age of Sigmar vs The Old World?
Is the player base now split into thirds? Did the pre-2015 figurines drop in value on eBay?
Well look who's in this thread right now.
Who the frick is this portable titanic looking mother fricker?
You dirty northern bastard!
You dirty northern bastard!
lmao who the frick is this guy
also how dumb do you need to be to take Ganker """""leaks""""" seriously enough to put it on stream
Valrak
This guy looks like someone that wants to tell me about his custom chapter and i really dont give a shit.
Actually, right on the money. He did multiple vids about his custom IF successors.
He also did video with fake Ganker leaks, lol.
Well, calls it like i sees it.
I miss the days of jsut holding and looking over the boxes thinking "man, next week, next week ill be able to get this one and then buy the paints to get him built."
>I miss the days of jsut holding and looking over the boxes thinking "man, next week, next week ill be able to get this one and then buy the paints to get him built."
Frick yeah
Now it's
>take a notion
>walk into the store
>where's x
>oh that's online only
Yeah plus everything seems so....sanitary now. Everything is just BLAH, and boring looking the experience of buying is so crappy now, its all online like you said, they got like no one in the stores playing because the spaces are to damn small.
Idk, feels like the soul is gone from the game.
I miss looking at the wall of factions and upgrade sprus and characters, then right behind it was the row of specialist games and terrain. Anymore feels really empty anymore.
It's all so clinical looking and unless you want the flavour of the month box, you're probably better off ordering off Wayland or something.
>I miss looking at the wall of factions and upgrade sprus and characters, then right behind it was the row of specialist games and terrain. Anymore feels really empty anymore.
Same. It was the best way to spot a neat model and convince yourself to start investing money and time into another army. You could pick up a blister of skinks for a fiver or something, shove their slotta into a base and go ham with a few paints.
>they got like no one in the stores playing because the spaces are to damn small.
I'm not sure I've ever seen someone play an actual non-starter game there. I wonder if their late Thursdays have anyone actually turning up.
You're literally just complaining about growing up. No shit toys aren't as magical when you're older.
You have no idea what you are talking about as usual homosexual
>decide to finally get a bastion as I should have done years before for like half the cost, 3rd party doesn't have them anymore but they're on the website
>head into the shop, a peon asks me to put on a mask, i say 'Sorry, no' he weakly mumbles 'O-ok'
>I ask for an Imperial Bastion, he says 'a what?'
>I repeat myself twice, eventually sounding it out like he's fricking foreign even though he's the one with the cuck muzzle
>'Oh we don't do them anymore'
>'You do they're on the website'
>He checks, says it's online only and I might as well order it at home
And that's the last time I ever went into a 'warhammer' shop, a place that does not sell warhammer
Yeah remember when dudes were leaking primaris months in advance of 8th, and everyone on Ganker was talking about which models the "big" marines were kitbashed from?
What a gross fat frick.
> little icon is a chiseled jaw gigaChad
Lmao.
Ruh'leh?
>Valrak
The unseasoned boiled chicken breast of GW streamers, he's so damn bland. I dont understand the appeal.
>a fat homosexual
So same as usual?
just go to his fricking youtube and type that there instead of here, are you moronic
>TOW is underperforming against projections but not massively
I smell an AoSgay. They LITERALLY said they weren't expecting such success, and even TODAY they said it's a BIG success.
thats because its is AOS homosexualry. GW literally cant keep TOW shit in stock, its getting bought out so fricking fast.
GW can't keep anything in-stock.
>puff piece article on the manufacturer's own website
>praising their own sales
bro what did you expect, them to come out and say "actually our sales suck, please buy more"? Are you that stupid that you just believe any propaganda piece you read?
I don't know which is true but if you think a company would admit on their own site that their latest product is doing badly you must be really dumb
Please tell me you aren't stupid enough to think an article advertising the selling of toys is actually being honest when dicussing how many toys the company is selling.
>the people who are selling the product are saying their product is selling on their own website that they run
You sound gullible.
You sound like the type of useful idiot that believes it when there has been a case of blatant police brutality, and the police department just does the usual "We investigated ourselves and have found our officers done nothing wrong in during the altercation."
>Yes Kislev was scrapped because of Russia invasion of Ukraine. They are already in GW's book of grudges for their recast feifdoms but the timing was just felt to be in poor taste. But they aren't scrapped forever. Just shelved will that dies down. Cathay however was never really happening. Araby *might* be.
Makes some degree of sense. Also frick you, I want my chinese.
>Necromunda and Horus Heresy both sell very well and turn a profit and will be the most stable games for the foreseeable future.
we keep winning
>This means a few armies/subfactions are going away in the next two years
>For AoS: Dispossessed, any High Elf/Wood Elves outside resin and some Dark Elves will be retired. Others moved into other battletomes such as Daughters of Khaine. Its unconfirmed but don't expect Fyreslayers to be around forever.
DON'T YOU TOUCH MY CITIES
>For 40k: Death Guard, Adeptus Mechanicus, Genestealer Cult and Adeptus Astartes are all losing a few units. Harlequins are gone completely and Grey Knights are becoming a universal ally option for Imperium forces rather than a stand alone army with Custodes intended to fill their former niche.
why are you squatting the perfect range that is Genestealer Cults. Also pog grey knights being interesting
>The First two are "Battletome: Blighted Crusade" and "Codex: Imperial Agents" releasing this autumn.
LET'S FRICKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>A lot of the leaks of screenshots and sprues are not leaks but official intended pr, the excitement makes word of mouth spread faster than the plague on places like twitter and reddit
was there any doubt?
>Stop bringing up the Daemonculaba. It was a writers fetish insert and you are absolutely That Guy when you bring it up every time you visit Warhammer World and try to talk to female customers about 40K. Yes i'm talking about you Gregg from Swadlincote. Cut it out. Everybody hates it.
nuh uh
I don't believe any of this, but those are my thoughts if I did
>Its unconfirmed but don't expect Fyreslayers to be around forever.
I could believe this because honestly, they kinda took the weakest sub faction of dwarves and tried to make them the main face of dwarves.
Sorry but slayers while cool, are not their own fricking army cool.
I never really clicked with them. Always felt like they were missing that special something. More mad about them allegedly getting rid of everything that made Cities unique
Cities was always moronic soup shit and not a real army. It was literally a graveyard meant for old, homeless models to die.
OP is a phony, no honest Warhammer(tm) employee has the old logo on their devices anymore. Here's the REAL, AUTHENTIC, SENSUAL scoop:
>Stormcast are being squatted as fast as possible because a mold we were transporting between warehouses got struck by lightning. Now the higher-ups are superstitious as shit and are hoping to delete the whole range before the still-unidentified storm god kills us all
>Adepta Sororitas are being renamed to "Bolter b***hes" after R&D found out it'd be a sure way to break new demographic ground, all unit names are being reworked with this in mind (i.e. Paragons are now Bionic b***hes, Sacresants are Bulwark b***hes, Celestine is the Big Blessed b***h, etc., Morvan Vahl's working name is just the entire "Kyle's Mom" song from the South Park movie
>We have secretly hired a PMC to enact covert ops in Pakistan after being told one of our most important marketing fronts in Ganker was at risk by them or something
>Greyfax is now black. To counterbalance, the rules team are hard at work brainstorming a way to sneak the phrase "bix nood" into the datasheet before Agents' codex has to go to print
>We all jerk off uncontrollably whenever you guys make Tau booba art, please keep doing it so we can stop working forever
>James Workshop is a real person and is out to find and kill you now that you've read this
Pic related, only REAL Warhammer(tm) employees have the REAL Warhammer(tm) logo saved to their devices. You can trust my word unlike that cad OP.
>Celestine is the Big Blessed b***h
Not Big Blessed Celeste?
Names are for men. Women and children get numbers and nick names at best.
And I will find you.
>White Dwarf sells terribly
I never understood why they wouldn't attach a single model to every issue instead of doing it only every blue moon.
something cheap and monopose (akin to the model of the month they give you in person). is there some insurmountable obstacle I'm not seeing ?
I would imagine it would do wonders to the sales of the magazine as well as perhaps getting people invested in multiple games/armies.
as someone who's NEVER bought a WD I know that for a free miniature a month I'd seriously consider an annual subscription. and as many wargamers know, once you have a model you like it's east to get started into additional projects
>is there some insurmountable obstacle I'm not seeing ?
The most obvious one is the size of a plain magazine to the size of a magazine with a bubble or a bag on it which no longer approximates a plane. It weights more, takes a lot more space to ship to the same number of units, and takes a lot more space on the shelf. WD used to be found outside of GW stores. Especially in countries where there were no GW stores it was found in toy shops, hobby shops, and regular book/magazine stores and they like getting more sales but they don't like having precious shelf space taken up by non-standard size periodicals with loose bits that can fall off.
While it was just an advertising vehicle for the company it still needed to make money and those shipping costs and the manufacture and the packaging and handling costs of getting the model onto the magazine add up so the magazine has to sell more units to recoup the added costs.
You're throwing away models and money because people who have zero interest in WFB are not likely to buy a magazine to get a WFB model, especially one you describe as attractively as "monopose". Same for an issue that had a 40k or a Bloodbowl model. A few people are going to be persuaded by the addition of a model but it has to generate a lot of extra sales to recoup the costs of shipping and manufacture. It's cheaper to just scrap an unpopular or overstocked model than stick it on a magazine which might not sell.
>I never understood why they wouldn't attach a single model to every issue instead of doing it only every blue moon.
>something cheap and monopose (akin to the model of the month they give you in person).
Half of the models of the month are already literally just "hey, store employee, take 3 boxes off of the shelf cut out the parts for each model and put them into individual boxes". It supposed to be a single unique sprue for each model of the month, but GW can't produced shit on time anymore, because they physically don't have any more room for injection molding machines at their factory and refuse to expand elsewhere for reason known only to them.
>Beasts of Chaos are being moved to balance out The Old World
that's dumb, they can just be in both games
Anon, GW already announced that there gone from AoS.
and there's no reason for that just to move them to ToW
they can just be in both games, it makes no sense
>and there's no reason for that just to move them to ToW
>they can just be in both games, it makes no sense
GW doesn't want settings to share things, unless it is chaos daemons.
GW would rather have you buy 2 different armies for 2 different game systems.
Why? It gets them more money.
GW doesn't want that happening anymore. They've been pretty consistently removing model crossover between Horus Heresy and 40k for a while now, and changed how Chaos Daemons in AOS vs. 40k so you can't really build one army that's viable in both.
Genuinely surprisd that there's no news of anything to do with Rogue Trader. No new edition, boardgame entry title, nothing. Weird.
Go back to your gay honeymoon
Is he gay?
He said he's going on a honeymoon with Cat, which got delayed by covid
He married his cat?
Based mysoginist who removes the girl from his catgirl.
>>All Resin is being phased out by 2025 to comply with new government rulings on none recyclable plastic to avoid bigger tax charges
Based.
>>TOW is underperforming against projections
Damn, it would be nice if it actually underperformed harder so I could buy some fricking ushabti.
>2024
>people still lying to my face telling me sold out boxes everywhere means it's not actually being sold
We need to just round up discord gays and start killing you so we can have actual arguments with people who accept basic reality.
>Yes Kislev was scrapped because of Russia invasion of Ukraine.
Based. Fricking over vatniks and slav/viking roleplayers in one go, might be the only half decent thing GW has done lately
>all resin
knew it was fake from the first line, good try
All this moaning about recent editions and I just want to go back to 2nd Edition, where the rules were dense, the vehicle cards were printed on super thick board and Dark Millennium expansion box was filled to the brim with interesting new ways to frick people up.
Just want to congratulate OP on his epic shit post that got multiple content sloppers to mention and read the posts of bullshit live on streams.
Great shit post 10/10 made gays reply.
>"hey anon did you hear about the big Games Workshop leak?"
>friend starts spouting OPs bullshit
>knew immediately it's probably someone on /tg/ spouting bullshit
And indeed it was. It's pretty amazing how just typing a lot of text can hypnotize people.
Some people just have the supernatural charisma to con smoothbrains.
Honestly its a complete reflection of the 'influincers' of the hobby. All they fricking do is read wiki shit, or random reddit or Ganker posts and regurgitate them to shitty free use background music, and give their opinions that no one asked for.
I remember when Spiky bits was like the only guy that did this, and people would riff on him for it.
These rumours originated on Twitter, not OP. OP is regurgitating them.
Hard time trusting this leak, based on the claims that GW will stop producing resin models next year.
Like there are multiple game systems that are still getting new resin models, or have a vast portion of the model range still in FW resin. Do people really believe that GW is gonna just straight up remove all that in a year?
Keyword being "new" resin. The finecast is the shit being phased out. I would have to double check but im pretty sure the TOW stuff is a new resin thats easier to work with and a quicker mould to release time and knowing GW is probably a lot cheaper per litre too. They probably just mean everything made of that waxy white dogshit is dying. Which, y'know, frickin' good.
GW really should have jumped on SioCast for things like Forgeworld Resisn.
>All Resin is being phased out by 2025 to comply with new government rulings on none recyclable plastic to avoid bigger tax charges
>For AoS: Dispossessed, any High Elf/Wood Elves outside resin and some Dark Elves will be retired.
Is it just me or did OP contradict himself within just a few lines? OP is a terrible liar.