Does anybody else feel like the old world has had a serious attempt to undermine it’s success?
There seems to have been very little coverage of the old
world on the warhammer community page. Even trying to find the products for it is a pain as it’s not even listed as a core game.
>never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by neglect, ignorance or incompetence
Nah mate, there is a clear audience for TOW but there is also a clear push to sell the newest AoS slop instead of hand sculpted kino-derp
Where evil is treated as ignorance, both shall flourish; where ignorance is treated as evil, both shall perish
>evil
we're talking about a plastic toy company
>where ignorance is treated as evil, both shall perish
except that IS ignorance you fricking moron
The most profound shit I've ever read on Ganker.
smell of desperation on you siggie
>Does anybody else feel like the old world has had a serious attempt to undermine it’s success?
Outside of most factions consisting entirely out of insanely old models? Not really.
TICK TOCK
SIGGY PIGGY
You are aware that Stormcast are getting new models at the same time, right?
You realize Franz doesn't exist in TOW, right? TWW Gankerermin are pathetic.
Your fear is palpable, Siggy.
>AoS bad thread
>AoS hood thread
These seem so organic and not just one person
They just squatted half of AoS to make room to produce more skeletons for old world.
>One orruk kit
>One faction just having it’s bases changed out for squares
Tell me this is anything other than GW just consolidating their product lines
It's literally just removing the bloat of a faction that got way too much of it.
>One Orruk kit
lol they're literally squatting models that are only ~20 months old, Horns of Hashut came out in summer of 2022 and they're already being legends'd and taken out of production. It's way more kits than just one Orruk, it's literally 82 kits being squatted. Not 82 datasheets, 82 KITS, including ones with multiple builds
>AOS range nuked
>DAE OLD WORLD SABOTAGE?
>Ganker tards discover Fantasy
>Come to /tg/
>Drag in their utterly abhorrent console war mentality
>everyone loves AoS
>its just the dirty outsider Gankerermin!
Not on your life, cretin.
if you applied your virtoil to I dont know Kings of War conquest we could have a better console war. However, you are simply fighting in GW sphere when you could support other games to defeat GW.
Its weird they support a company that they hate the large product line of so much. Just don't pay attention to system you're not interested in. Its that simple.
>BUT I 3D PRINT AND PIRATE THE RULES I DONT SUPPORT NU GW
Im looking at this from a distance and its utter insanity. All the apparently haters here went back to GW the day Old World dropped and did nothing to play other systems in the last 10 years.
It's long been fashionable for GW fans to pretend they hate GW for some vague perceived slight.
Other systems suck fricking dick. GW games are the only miniature games worth playing.
No no, the usual line is people don't play better systems because GW's angular CADslop is worth the terrible rules.
Bloodbowl and Modern Killteam are the only GW games worth playing.
If you think differently, you are wrong.
Killteam sucks. Adeptus Titanicus and Necromunda are objectively the best specialist games
>Titanicus
Nobody plays
>Necromunda
a shadow of it’s original run that has devolved into vehicular combat
is Killteam a specialist game?
it is made by the main GW team rather than the specialist game decision like Blood Bowl or Necromunda
>bb fan actually likes modern killteam and is autistic enough to think their opinion is objectively correct
pottery
>Modern Killteam
lol the only good thing about kill team are some of the models, the game itself is soulless slop with nothing interesting to keep you wanting to play more once you figure the rules out
>Modern Killteam are the only GW games worth playing.
Reminder
Thank yo for screenshotting this. KT has the worst and weirdest community that froths at the mouth when any legitimate criticism is levied.
MESBG people are weirder. Fortunately they typically mind their own business and it's east enough to understand that people like lord of the rings.
Kek you’ve got the line wrong. GW games are overall dogshit, the model quality is why. There are much better games out there.
as someone who absolutely loved WHFB, I can tell you that it's NOT a good game, nor is it the most enjoyable of its type. there are much much better game out there as well as much fun and easy going games.
the one huge advantage it has (and that keeps self fulfilling in a positive feedback loop) is its relative ease of finding other players for it.
I am not buying directly. I am 3d printing and pirating the rules im not giving nu GW a cent and im killing aos in the process lmao
COPE!
Ive heard that argument before
I still find it very funny that back in the day some people legitimately thought that Warmachine could become as popular as Warhammer.
It was extremely popular once a time. Not 40k levels but more than AoS upon it’s release.
It could have if Matt Wilson wasn't such an idiot.
Being based in Washington really fricks up a company's strategy. Having moron in charge also does that.
I like how Skubmachine was tilting at plastic miniatures in the mid 00's when everyone was super excited to have cheap customizable squads in their 40K armies. What a total failure to read the room.
I like that cringe page of rules. It made the game seem hardcore. The comment about metal is fricking moronic though.
Shit reads like a poltard wrote it
It's not a /misc/ thing at all though. Mark 1 came out in 2003. That's just late 90's/early 2000's style edgy, in your face marketing. I'll never understand why /tg/ fixates on that section so much.
>I'll never understand why /tg/ fixates on that section so much.
Because it is terrible and pure crystalized cringe.
That 1 page has 100% done some damage to warmachine's reputation.
I think I would have actually really liked Warmachine if it wasn't for assassination victories. It made mission types completely useless, no one cared about the actual mission when you could just kill the enemy commander and auto-win in any game. That and as time when on, Warjacks and the mechanics around them - you know, the entire draw of the setting - became completely worthless in games, stripping it of any real uniqueness.
>I just like stealing but feel the need to morally justify it and want you to start stealing too
This is always so weird.
>YOU WOULDN'T STEAL A CAR!
Yes, still confusing stealing (depossession of a good) with what might be merely akin to counterfeiting (mimicking a good) about two whole generations into the digital age is really weird indeed. NTA btw.
Even simpler, you can ignore these threads. But anytime someone shits on AoS you have to rush in and post
You guys are spamming the catalog dont call me an age of sigmar player you discord gay
have a nice day, sigpiggy. Age of Smegmar was always considered garbage. Has nothing to do with TW or Ganker.
>Does anybody else feel like the old world has had a serious attempt to undermine it’s success?
Yes. I think they're changing their tune now though.
No. They have sales data going back to before you were born, they know exactly how popular WFB is.
Yeah they sold more black primer than the entirety of WFB back in the day lmao.
i wasn't implying it was massively popular.
Piss off back to your female ground marine simulator game, siggy!
Imagine getting to smell inside that armour after a long campaign
HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA
This is great. Same shit happened to me when I went into a dark elf army right before AoS dropped.
All those Stormie players get what they deserve, every instance I've seen in my local scene is morons who decided to sit on their starter set for 3 years before putting together and running it as greytide. If you hoard garbage then cry when it gets discontinued because you never bothered playing with it frick off.
>if you hoard garbage
I think hoarding garbage is very much fine up to a point. Maybe you hoard a skellies starter or some terrain. UNFORTUNATELY most gw stuff is too distinctive to be very dual use. Stormcasts don't really look like a Paladin warband so much as one designed by Helwett Packard
They were trying to get people to play their steampunk WoW try hard game while everybody else was having fun during 5th edition.
Part of it yes. The press ganger program was actually successful as you would get shit by getting people involved instead of just a single 90 dollar army box for having a store stock GW shit.
I did notice Warmahordes threads fell off a while ago. I don't follow them; what happened?
Warmachine shit the bed with Mk3 where suddenly every faction got split into microfactions called theme forces.
You could only take certain jacks+units with these theme forces and it made alot of people have to stop playing or buy whole new boxes of shit to keep playing.
This happened right when PP got rid of press gangers which brought in new blood, tried to use a new material that was shitty cheap PVC plastic that was insanely bad and warped, and last but not least when they said they would not ship to Europe anymore unless you ordered directly online from them.
Even with all of their faults, the nail in the coffin was ruining their distribution system. It made it so that you could basically only buy from them directly and sometimes people would be waiting 6 months for a kit to show up to their door.
Christ... as somebody who works logistics and distribution, that hurts to hear. So shitty it died because of C-suite wienersuckery.
They could be used as a case study for what not to do as a company. I am not saying Warmachine would have hit GW level, but they could and were taking enough of a chunk out of the pie for GW to have felt it.
Had their video game been done better and actually had all of it’s DLC finished, I imagine they could have even had a mini DoW style success.
>they don't market it hard so it must be a failure!
Cope. It's going strong and doesn't need new constant marketing. They know who they made the game for. Me and other grogs.
>It's going strong and doesn't need new constant marketing
>selling fast!
Sure.
Yes, the pricing. Some units like questing knights (120 usd for 6) and tomb king chariots (80 usd for 3) are priced by the GW marketing ppl to actually try and bury this thing.
The Orc and Goblin starter is proof they're not taking this game seriously.
They could have loaded it with figures people might actually want(river trolls, black orcs, boar boyz etc) and tossed in the build-your-own hero kit so people wouild have a couple characters to play with.
Instead they're just trying to get rid of old stock that wouldn't sell, want a flop they can point to in order to get the bosses to pull the plug, or both(note that they led with Tomb Kings and Bretonnians, the least popular factions from WHFB).
>get rid of old stock that wouldn't sell
Everything in that box had been out of production for years. Astounding moronation to think this was stock clearance.
>Does anybody else feel like the old world has had a serious attempt to undermine it’s success?
Nope, and if you genuinely feel this you should reexamine your life and priorities.
I was extremely excited for TOW because I've played Total War Warhammer for nearly 1000 hours, including 150 or so hours playing as Tomb Kings but I am worried since the Warhammer general is so slow
Is there actually demand for this game? I am right on the point of ordering the starter box but I don't know anyone in this hobby so I don't know if it was just DOA or is the warhammer community just slow?
This is bait, right?
No
Advanced bait, impressively multilayered.
I'm asking a genuine question but I guess I fricked it up somehow
Yeah I didn't think you were intending to bait lol. I'm honestly in a similar boat. I found out about warhammer fantasy from vermintide and total war and really wanted to play the table top. Everything about it looked awesome and then I found out it was dead in like 2016 or so when I got into the games. I've been playing 40k since around then and them redoing warhammer fantasy seems like a dream come true after all this time. But if they completely shit the bed and the game becomes unsupported it'll really blow to invest in to.
>But if they completely shit the bed and the game becomes unsupported it'll really blow to invest in to.
Kinda doubt it since you can still find people playing older editions. I'm also someone that came as someone playing the vidya and wanted the models and found them gone. Honestly, regardless if the game is doing well, I just want to see the little dawi lined up together looking cool cause I was always fascinated with dioramas and models. Starting 40k with tau and games can feel like a drag but seeing painted dudes on my shelf feels nice, regardless. Rules can change, my little bearded dudes will remain.
This is absolutely the way to go.
When you buy and paint a model, you've bought and painted a model, not a set of rules. Rules come and go, and for any model you care to show me I'll give you five rulesets that you could play it in (before we even get into editions of those rulesets), but that model will exist all your life and beyond if you give it a minimum of careful storage.
If you've got models, there are hobbyists in your area and you still can't get games in a system you like, what you lack is social skills, not company support.
+10 for no fat-guy fingers
Trim your thumbnails you freak
>I am a secondary
>look at my video game numbers, those surely indicate my interest in miniatures wargames
>I make purchasing decisions based on the activity of Ganker threads
>Why is the general for a game that was dead for 10 years slow
Seriously? Okay, frick it, I'll bite.
>because I've played Total War Warhammer for nearly 1000 hours
A lot of people here are not very fond of people coming in from only TW:W, seeing them as peak secondaries, Ganker tourists, etc.
>but I am worried since the Warhammer general is so slow
The general isn't even slow, it seems to be a bit dead exactly now i suppose but it's been pretty damn fast for /tg/ since TOW released. This indicates you are in fact a tourist from Ganker and have no concept of how fast this board moves.
>Is there actually demand for this game?
There is an absurd question to ask at all, you could just look at how much TOW stuff has sold out and it would answer your question.
>I am right on the point of ordering the starter box but I don't know anyone in this hobby so I don't know if it was just DOA or is the warhammer community just slow?
Basing that judgement on the speed of discussion here is in itself moronic even if discussion were utterly dead. You should look at your local scene, see if anyone is playing it in stores or communities near to you. That can vary a lot, and it's the only density that actually matters, you aren't playing with us on Ganker.
In sum, every line read like bait, that it wasn't shows you to be profoundly unaware.
Not that anon but I just wanna comment
>A lot of people here are not very fond of people coming in from only TW:W, seeing them as peak secondaries, Ganker tourists, etc.
On the one hand I totally get that. People in 40kg who go there or other places to spout takes about the game when they have no models and are completely no games are a blight. But on the other hand most of the people who stuck with or are old blood from warhammer fantasy are small in number. For a relaunch to get support and growth/development it should be a good thing people genuinely want to get into the hobby. Especially if they aren't being a homosexual about it. Everyone starts somewhere and it's just a fact these days video games have become one of the major reasons people get into GW games now.
>Basing that judgement on the speed of discussion here is in itself moronic even if discussion were utterly dead. You should look at your local scene, see if anyone is playing it in stores or communities near to you. That can vary a lot, and it's the only density that actually matters, you aren't playing with us on Ganker.
I would disagree to some extent. My local group loves X-Wing and I've played it for a long time but X-Wing has absolutely been gutted i m o and is left very much unsupported these days. I never played warhammer fantasy and I've never kept up with their threads so I also wanna know what the longtime and current players think the future support for the game will be like based on their engagement in general.
Obviously visceral hatred for secondaries as an automatic response is a bit moronic, I wasn't endorsing that, just saying why opining with a statement of having spent a slightly embarrassing amount of time in Total War was very indicative of the post being bait.
As for long term support, you'd probably get a better idea looking at the actual release pattern. GW have been relaunching an armies one at a time but at a steady pace so far, and have announced that the scope of the game has expanded in reaction to it being a bigger success than they had anticipated.
Well I'm glad to hear that. I really have been very let down by 10th edition. I don't think 40k is ever a game I'll put away for good because it's something that'll just keep on going but compared to 7th, 8th, and 9th 10th has been my least favorite edition so far. I feel like 10th panders too hard to tourney people and all my online friends tell me the old world and horus heresy are the GW games to play if you want less of that. 10th edition 40k feels like they made everything really bland in order to make the game easier to balance whereas at least from what I can see HH and TOW seem like they retain much more flavor. I also have never liked stratagems and one of my big hopes for 10th was they'd tone them down but instead they just removed wargear and turned them into stratagems lmao. The only thing really stopping me from trying either HH and TOW is the opportunity cost of picking one and the up front investment to start playing. Plus I really hate investing into a game only for it to get dropped by the company without being put into a good state.
start asking around at your local store, see if there's any other clubs or groups locally as well that don't necessarily play at the store
/tg/ will tell you nothing about your local area, and in general popularity on /tg/ will only tell you what's popular enough that even the lazy smelly autistic morons that post here can get a pick up game, which is only the most commonplace of normshit
Check the player numbers at your LGS, literally the only thing that matters to you. Mine has filled ToW, overfilled 40k and underfilled AoS.
Not really, mostly fat boomers.
>I am worried since the Warhammer general is so slow
We are aggregating in facebook communities, not on Ganker. If you want discussion, go to the TOW facebook groups. Plenty people there.
Same for Blood Bowl.
>facebook
truly the boomer game
you think zoomers or millenials have money?
Yes, and 40k at the time wasn't even that bad because the dumpster fires that were 6th and 7th edition had yet to come.
I wish to have so few problems in my life that I could call a company "evil" because their product no longer makes my pp hard.
I know a handful of people that play KT and also other games. They shit on KT while playing it. Extremely bizarre.
The Kill Team idea was always great it just needed more Space Hulk and Inquisitor dna.
>Space Hulk
>Inquisitor
Those are games on totally opposite ends of every single tabletop spectrum, what the frick does this even mean
They didn't sabotage it, they just had a low risk trickle of stuff for the game and let the Old World fever do the rest. I don't think they were expecting it to be this popular.
If a wargame changes, everyone's pressured to change so they can find pick-up games. With RPGs, though, people are more likely to have a consistent group that can elect to just not change to a new edition/release.
RPGs with strangers is a thing but man is it likely to be a poor experience. If I didn't have a consistent group of friends to play with, I'd honestly just drop that hobby. As it is, I'm already completely ignoring any dnd release of the last several years, and my group is fine with it.
I can see that. From an outside perspective, it feels like debating LOS is 80% of the game.
>Does anybody else feel like the old world has had a serious attempt to undermine it’s success?
No, they're sabotaging Legions Imperialis the same way, and fricked up Aeronautica conceptually from the start. This is just what they do now that they've maxxed out their capacity to produce minis. I wish they'd stop making record profits despite sucking infinite shit, but here we are.
it isn't a core game. mystery solved.
Noone needs to undermine something that's predetermined to fail. Noone plays your dead game, anyone who says they do is a bad actor. New stormcast reveal got more views in 5 days then last OW vid did in two weeks.
As an empire player, certinally feels like it
Come on GW, I just want to buy some state troops, reikguards and a hell blaster
I told myself that I would collect a warhammer fantasy army even if the game didn't succeed, because I just wanted the opportunity to buy the models at a decent price again
Now I don't want to spend that money
Your failure was expecting decent prices from GW.
Problem is the time to sell old world models was in like 207-2019 when TWWH 2 was peaking.
Total war secondaries throw shitfits over 20$ DLC. The notion that they will drop a thousand bucks on models alone is just moronic.
Spending thousands on models is moronic. It's not platinum.
I don't get the tone they use as if its a gotcha but fundamentally it is correct: CA's customers saw they were being milked more for poorer products and that money was going elsewhere, arced up, and got CA/SEGA to behave better. That's fundamentally at odds with GW's fanboys, the most rabid of which (and there's plenty of them) are autistic soibois in a parasocial relationship with GW that practically beg to be ripped off and are treated like holes that GW can frick and money falls out as a result.
I'd love if enough of them did buy in to change GW customer culture for the better but somebody pissed off that a shitty character pack costs more than a faction pack did only a few months prior is highly unlikely to pay hundreds for a handful of 20 year old sculpts.
GW knows this, they literally had already decided 20 years ago when DoW launched that video games are not sales multipliers for tabletop models games and rightly so. They've never done any joint marketing with video games, it's a core philosophy of the company.
Tf you talking about zoom zoom, I distinctly remember Dawn of War ads in older white dwarfs
Man, if I had a nickel for every time I've seen this exact exchange, I'd be in the 1% by now.
I have a shitton of old Empire minis from the Warhammer Fantasy edition where the main 2p boxed game had Empire vs. Greenskins. Some of my Empire minis came from the previous edition too, like my Steam Tank, and some Brettonia minis that should be WYSIWYG-compatible for an Empire army since they're humans, like my Brettonian sorceress. I have multiple cannons, multiple mortars, multiple hellcannons, multiple 5x5 grids of infantry (Swordsmen, Halberdiers, Greatswords), and lots of handgunners. I also have a unit of cavalry, and also the dual-pistol-wielding dudes on horseback. I have enough minis for a pretty large army, but I know nothing about Warhammer Fantasy Battle after the release of the 2p boxed set that came with plastic Dwarf and Night Goblin armies. I stopped following Warhammer after that release.
Can I use these old minis in modern Warhammer? They're mostly assembled, but painting them all would be a huge chore, as I'm no artist, and don't actually enjoy painting. Is it worth my while to actually buckle down and get to painting?
you have to rebase them or throw them on a movement tray designed to increase the frontage to match the new basing standard
>painting
90% of GW players dont have fully painted armies, no one is going to care
New basing standards eh? Yeah, I'm not rebasing my minis, if I can avoid it. That sounds like work. I already put meticulous effort into making sure all of the bases in my infantry units fit together nicely, being careful to pose the minis in such a way as to not interfere with the minis surrounding them in the regiment. For example, with my 25-man strong 5x5 spearmen unit, the front rank has their spears pointed forward, the next two ranks have their spears at an upwards 45-degree angle, and the back two rows have their spears pointed straight up. All of their bases fit together flush, like a jigsaw puzzle. I like the idea of movement trays though, even though they're awkward on uneven terrain. If all it takes to adapt my old-ass army is modern movement trays, I'm all for it.
Was it ever supposed to be a major thrust of their business? I always thought it was just a sop for the endlessly crying grognards
It was announced as a way to stifle niche competition (KoW's new edition was announced slightly before that). They didn't even plan shit when they announce it, hance the project's shifting scope and focus.
As far as GW cares this can sell 0 boxes in its life cycle, it was a signaling tool first, product second.
I doubt it, I think it's mostly the players. Specifically the players on anger-based internet forums.
in so far as they have limited production capabilities and thus they'll want the stuff that sells the best to have the most supply that is the case. But it's basically impossible to tell this sorta thing from outside the company since something that immediately sells out as soon as it's restocked is difficult to tell apart from something that hasn't been restocked in weeks unless you have something scraping the website to check for stock updates and keep track to see when stuff actually gets added back. Like as it stands there are a grand total of 20 TOW things that are in stock in the US (if you include GS dice, a TK book and the fact that they split Necrosphinx and Warsphinx are 2 boxes despite being a variant of eachother)
HH is silo'd against 40k and TOW is silo'd against AOS for some bizarre reason even though they can pretty clearly divide their entire range into Intro > Mainline > Expert for both 40k and fantasy.
Makes zero sense, leads to bizarre shit like dividing up general factions between games and nuEpic only being for HH, but that's GW.
If they allow armies to be 'shared' across games, it makes the bean counters jobs harder, because they have to actually do work an analyse rather than just bung the numbers into a report as is and say why what sales are what and so and so.
6th was good.
Anyone has the Orcs and Goblins Arcane Journal PDF? I'll suck dick if I have to!!!
It's not a conscious decision of GW's part
It's the natural consequence of having grown so large and having so many teams jostling for the same corporate money
I am okay with Old world.
I hate Age of ZOGmar
I love Oldhammer and Mordheim.
>Oldhammer and Mordheim
>Oldhammer
>Mordheim
Go play your total war shit, zoomie
Are people playing the old world considering it a prequel story to Warhammer fantasy before the end times or an AU?