>research cheats after experiencing blatant hackers 80% of my games
>find out how easy it is to cheat nowadays
>it's not even jank like they used to be
>literally top production teams with their own unironic business
>making cheats is literally their paid job
>cheats made never get caught and intentionally designed to be undetectable
>game companies don't care or can't chase them all down
>some stream themselves MONTHS blatantly hacking and nothing happens
>most anticheat like VAC, EAC and others are practically useless
>if you play any competitive game it's basically hacks vs hacks
I am blackpilled so hard right now. There's literally no reason to play a multiplayer FPS nowadays if you are a legit player. You probably have a cheater each game and that's not even an exaggeration. Not only are these undetectable most companies don't care anymore if people are hacking (more playercount I guess). Nuclear blackpill is that aimbots nowadays are natural looking. They are literally AI trained and you can scale the skill up and down. The only time I can detect an aimbot is if some dumbo has it on max and keeps killing me 1-2 shots every time. But if this was a soft aimbot I would have no way of knowing.
Imagine being so ass shattered at losing in a game you have to stoop to the same level and cheat
just play a different game if you don't like multiplayer shooters. Not sure who would want to partake in HvH unless you are mentally ill
I didn't say I cheated you low comprehension npc
I just said I researched what these idiots were up to
classic cheatie deflection, getting worried that my cheat will be better than yours and you'll have to risk detection to beat it? cope and seethe idiot.
nta, but honestly in many games a large part of "cheaters everywhere" is just bad players being bad. OP here claims 80% chance to have at least one cheater in a match. In CS, a 10 man game, that would mean nearly 1 in 10 players on average cheating. That number is way too high. Another anon here claimed that 60% of people are cheating which is even more unrealistic. That would mean on average in a cs:go match, there's 4 out out 10 people NOT cheating, and everyone else is. That just plain doesn't hold up.
Cheaters are a wide spread problem,
But the chance of getting 1 every match in a VAC protected game is almost impossible.
I might believe it in Tarkov, which has dogshit anti-cheat, and no way to re-watch matches. So any accusation of "cheating" is usually baseless, unless the other character was doing speed hacks or something similar. (Because you never know how long the other player was aware of you, what happened etc,)
>thinking VAC is anything special
I can post a link to a cheater communities who have been cheating since CS2 came out and it's still going lol. You're ignorant of how bad things really are. Sorry don't comment if you don't know.
>Since CS2 came out
So since.. 2 and a half weeks? Wow. Crazy. I guess for a zoomer that's a really really really long time. Did you miss the part where people explained that smart anti-cheat bans in waves?
>there's a man shooting up kindergartens daily but we'll take care of it a few months, maybe
Again moron:
>ban right away
>cheat creator can make a hack, get banned, update, get banned, update, get banned, update don't get banned, congrats you made an undetectable cheat in a day, you banned 3 accounts from 1 dude, who now sells is hack to thousands of players
vs:
>ban in waves:
>make cheat
>gets detected but not banned
>cheat gets sold
>some time passes
>pull lever
>tens of thousands of cheaters accounts banned.
You tell me which is better.
It literally is about 1 in 10 on current CS. Some study even showed about a 30% cheater software use in mp fps. 228t8
ahem, sorry if i wasn't clear but,
classic cheatie deflection, getting worried that my cheat will be better than yours and you'll have to risk detection to beat it?
I have a mate cheating for 2 weeks every game he rage bot and basically spin and silent aim the shit of the other team, he only get some one hour ban here and there, they removed overwatch since csgo so there’s no reason to even hide it now
>nearly 1 in 10 players on average cheating. That number is way too high
lol
according to anti cheat devs it's actually 1 in 3 that are cheating.
>according to anti cheat devs it's actually 1 in 3 that are cheating.
proof?
>In CS, a 10 man game, that would mean nearly 1 in 10 players on average cheating.
That's a number I have already seen being used, so it's possible.
>In CS, a 10 man game, that would mean nearly 1 in 10 players on average cheating.
That's 100% what you experience on Global Elite. Pretty much every match has a cheater.
>But the chance of getting 1 every match in a VAC protected game is almost impossible.
>I might believe it in Tarkov, which has dogshit anti-cheat
VAC is just as worthless.
you are right. if anyone is good at a specific multiplayer game they will be called hackers by noobs, happened to me in a few games.
>t.cheater
Couldn't we solve the cheating problem by making these games run in a sandbox where it couldn't "talk" with other programs?
>sandbox
>talk
I really don't know what the hell you are saying
he's essentially saying the game should ask the player to close ALL other running programs and disable alt tabbing
you know how apps on your phone can't see the data that is stored in other apps?
and if want access to things like your phone's camera, microphone, or storage, they need to ask for it?
that is essentially what the person you responded to is suggesting - games would be completely silo'd. the game couldn't see anything else on your computer unless you allowed it, and nothing else on your computer could see the game data unless you allowed it.
the problem with that is.. cheaters WANT to cheat. they intentionally install these cheats and grant the cheat full access to everything in their computers.
the only way to prevent anything else from seeing the game is giving the anti-cheat complete access to your computer, including before the OS starts up. and even that doesn't work all the time.
>you know how apps on your phone can't see the data that is stored in other apps?
>and if want access to things like your phone's camera, microphone, or storage, they need to ask for it?
stop being so naive anon
no it would be too laggy. you cant stop cheating. its just a part of life. if theres anything at stake, people will cheat.
It's called cloud gaming
If you want to stop cheating you can't let the players see the game. And who's going to play a game where it's just black screen?
Yes and no.
If it's running on your computer, you have full access regardless. Streaming is the only way this could work.
That doesn't mean the full game should be streamed though, but streaming content more accurately would work. The main issue right now is you receive more information than you're allowed to see, as the engine spawns enemies in the distance and netcode must anticipate quite a few things, because neither the engine nor netcode are built to prevent cheating.
A camouflaged enemy in the distance you can't see will be a player entity, and a player behind a wall needs his physics and audio processed, and there is no other way this is handled right now other than by letting the game know more than the player needs.
This is actually the issue.
cheating is incurable until devs stop sending the information cheaters need.
Even then, eventually AI will be able to recognise player shapes even when camouflaged in a distance, or respond to movement instantly... but that's a little ways off yet.
The only real way I can see to solve cheating is to have all damage, sound, physics etc processed serverside, such that only the visual and audio information is sent to players.
But what game designer wants to run 20+ Devices worth of calculations in every match for every server?
It has to run through your memory at some point. Once you know what the sandbox looks like while it's being processed you can do whatever to what's inside of it too. Not only that, the VM would have to interact with your peripheral hardware and so you could inject via drivers etc.
Reminder that cheats can be hosted from volatile memory now and runs directly into your processing unit at the lowest possible level.
In time anon, Microsoft Pluton will be required to play AAA games.
It will sold to parents and governments as "preserving moral integrity" or similar.
A way to make games a "safe space" for all.
Screencap this.
>Microsoft Pluton
>that would literal kill steam
The frick are you talking about? On Linux, there's already runtimes and Proton prefixes for sandbox.
that would literal kill steam and other apps that verify u own the game.
There are aimbots that work by just viewing your screen and controlling mouse input which doesn't require the program interacting with the game itself whatsoever.
they call those pixelbots and they are fricking garbage. often miss shots and end up getting the cheater found out becauses it does wonky things when trying to aim. pixelbots are the ghetto cheats poorgays use. the best cheats are memorybots, the most expensive ones got all the neat little tools to trick the anticheat stuff.
no because ultimately on a pc the user has control of the hardware so any cheat can be bypassed. consoles are the only way to prevent cheating
That's literally what an anti cheat does.
been using walls and silent aim for years now, it's just too fun not too
stinky cheater
whats silent aim do
doesnt move your crosshair so people can't see the blatant cheating, just sends the packets as if your were aiming there
on a low enough fov you can't even tell
I don't get it, what's so wrong about this?
He's fighting the aimbot.
Triggerbot
he's shaking his aim around the head to attempt to get the program to fire
unfortunately, he's an actual idiot (like most actual cheaters) and doesn't decide to scope in to make the shot easier.
>t. morons
that guys name is monesy, he has like 16k hours in the game and plays professionally. performs really well on lan. also if youre not a dumbass you can watch the clip and see the movements left and right arent equal at all, obviously not a bot glitching out. and for the moron that says hes shaking it to get a trigger bot to trigger damn youre moronic
i want you to watch this clip, and pay attention to the movement of the mouse.
that shaking doesn't make any sense
it's either some weird program or he's spazzing out from adrenaline
Hes spazzing out. He didn't have enough time to pull out his awp to fight back, so I assume he just accepted his death.
I do this too while waiting to reload, it's similar to people switching weapons over and over when they don't need to, just something ppl do
either literal mouth breathing fricking reatards or gaslighting can't tell
he gets excited over a kill, which is unprofessional
excited over what fricking kill? he missed
aimbot might've been snapping to another target next to him behind the pillar/wall.
either that or his mousepad had some lint on it
Motherfricker subhuman moron, Monesy is the greatest awper in tier1 CS, played at least 15 LANs in 2023 and won 2 of them. DO YOU THINK REALLY THINK HE WOULD HAVE BEEN CAUGHT IF HE WAS CHEATING AT ALL YOU SILVER2 BOT.
This right here is also why it's impossible to fight cheating. 12 year old morons with no knowledge of games need to defend their eceleb they live vicariously through
true
I know CS better than you, I watched more Cs than you and I am better at CS than you. The only place where you cannot EVER find cheaters is in tier1, pc are set up by Lan organisers and players can only bring Mouse and keyboard, a referee is watching them for the entire series and that has been the case for ever single LAN for the past 8 years.
You subhuman have never ever touch the game, that's why you call pro players "ecelebs" despite them playing the games for 10 to 20 years and being the best players in history.
Your matchmaking game having 2 cheaters do not mean every good players is a cheater dumbass.
remember that time pros were using a 5 figure $ cheat called baking bread that loaded through the steam workshop
moron doesn't understand that the more you get better at something the more likely it is that you will cheat
100% thithe Shroud autist is a spammer but he shows this entire fricking board it's true colors every time he posts considering how many Shroud dickriders come out of the woodwork
>I think this guy is a moron but you can really tell Ganker is a bunch of eceleb-dickriders for also thinking guy is a moron
>miss an awp and start spazzing like a moron when you get caught
i do this
>first webm into a thread
>absolutely normal situation where he jiggles in the open so the deagle player will have harder time headshotting him
>all of this from a live stream
>from one of the most popular modern pro and fpl cs players of all time
Ganker trannies are beyond braindead. I fricking can't...You could probably pick a few more "suspicious" kills from him at any give time...and you pick this?
Jesus Christ.
>inb4 3rd worlders defending cheats
RIP Rising Storm 2 and every other '''''hardcore''''' multiplayer FPS. Everyone fricking stealth hacking but they're brown and dumb so it's painfully obvious to anyone with more than 2,000 hours, there were around 20 moronic jukes that fricked with them and they became 60% of the playerbase by the time I quit. Frickers got so mad when it was obvious I was styling on their braindead cheating brown ass too. I hate minorities.
Everybody used to cheat back in the day including guys who went pro. Cheating can actually help you get better especially walls. Helps you with crosshair placement and learning new positions.
unironic cope
All CS cheaters lean hard on this cope. Then slowly start to cope about things not really counting as cheating like only wall hacks or just a tiny fov aimbot.
The reality is they get better because they're the only ones who can stick with the game. It's unplayable for anyone not cheating.
it has been undetectable since EAC was just a program you ran on the side lol like it was just a tool used back in the day, then later came the custom maps with see-through walls
cheating is an integral part of FPS, if you didn't draw a crosshair on tape you aren't a gamer
>you didn't draw a crosshair on tape you aren't a gamer
>t.never played kf1
You get better at an amended version of the game. You dotn get better at CS. Its like using racing line or TC is drivjng sims, you learn to play the assists, not the game.
It really is a game in of itself. If you spectate cheaters or watch open cheating streams they spend a lot of time tweaking settings for the map, weapon, purpose. It's a weird entertainment.
One of my biggest tells now for a cheater is lots of micro-afks mid round when they shouldn't be able to know they're safe to do so. It's them messing with inuria etc settings.
Yeah there's literally *LITERALLY* no point in playing a multiplayer FPS at all. There's nothing fun about them AT ALL outside of your position on the scoreboard.
ITT: shitters trying to justify using cheats and cheat makers trying to poison the well
Just a flick of the wrist. Those reaction times are completely normal.
this clip isnt cheating, you can see his wrist substantially move to 180 and fire, also when he walks around the corner to reveal what he was shooting at you can see that he wasnt even hitting him.
also; he was also firing at where the stairs end, IE where someone would be if they walked up the stairs at that moment
You know he can have ESP on that doesnt show in stream?
what really gets me is his nose
The Shroud schizoposter is back
>shooting through the wall before even seeing the enemy
Totally legit, 100%.
Seriously, he fricking perfectly tracks someone's head THROUGH A WALL and all the other replies are just like
>Yeah, his reaction time is fine
What the frick??
>What the frick??
trolls or shroud's cultist followers who see no wrong in anything he does
He streams for like 12hrs a day, multiple games, changing tabs and games constantly. This man played proffesional Counterstrike for years, on other peoples rigs. He goes to events and previews games on other peoples rigs. Youre a literal skitzo shitter if you think he's managing to hack in front of literal thousands for years on end. Go die you flat earther skitzo
People have been caught out repeatedly with those contextual facts
Streamers and e-sports organizers pay PR organizers to shill for them on social media.
It's just simps and some paid PR
shroud was dogshit at CS. no idea why people claim he cheats, he just has really good aim in low-stress situations
Goodgameplay. Thank you . Aldo R.I.P.
>thread about general game cheats
>shroud autist shows up
everytime
not him - shroud does hack but attempting to prove it with those shitty clips again and again is beyond moronic when there are way more incriminating footage of him out there.
yet this homosexual only repeatedly posts the most ambiguous clips which only serves to achieve the direct opposite of his agenda.
which is the point: to have them debunked every single time
>
not him - shroud does hack but attempting to prove it with those shitty clips again and again is beyond moronic when there are way more incriminating footage of him out there.
yet this homosexual only repeatedly posts the most ambiguous clips which only serves to achieve the direct opposite of his agenda.
>which is the point: to have them debunked every single time
I know it's not as popular anymore but man it sucks that titanfall2 is back up but the only ones who play are the ones who keep aiming through walls.
Welcome to literally every online game. Cheating is now a business, even casuals will sign up and pay monthly fees to be able to access cheats for a game.
This is where I get confused
paying a monthly subscription for cheats in free games. There's something really ass backwards about the concept to me
Yeah, back in the day we had free cheats for paid games.
Just because hackers infest scrubby genres like FPS does not mean they're in every game.
You should watch one of the videos about the best Trackmania player in the world and how it turns out he was cheating for years
Unless you're in the top 1% of trackmania players you don't have to worry about hackers cheating the time trials lol it's not like a trackmania hacker is going to prevent you from enjoying your car racing.
MMO is an even more casual genre than FPS, and those bots exist because the genre is built around wasting peoples' time and requiring grinding. What a poor example.
thanks to that moron there is now a singleplayer TMX anticheat and server-side anticheat existed even before that and isnt even possible at all to cheat in multiplayer on TM at least, FPS are fricked, their cheats are AI trained, they are not recovering from that
MMOs have bots that gather/craft/whatever for you, these bots require you to pay a monthly fee to join a discord server to gain access to them. It's no longer people doing it for shits and giggles, even casuals today see it as the normal thing to do and they pay for it ontop of that.
It’s literally free. Everything is. Write your own or steal someone else’s code.
You can google every answer you want in life but dumb fricks like you refuse to put in an ounce an effort and try. Enjoy aids, Black personhomosexual
Watch your tone, FPS is more relevant than whatever gay, dead genre you like.
what the hell is "relevant"? who cares about "relevant" when anything we play will be dwarfed by farmville and fortnite and minecraft and candy crush saga and flappy bird?
>tfw fighting games are still pure of cheaters
>a few cheaters have started to crop up here and there but its immediately blatant and the cheats instantly fold to basic projectile spam and whiff baiting
if it wasnt for hitbox homosexualry fighting games would be the purest genre remaining
AI cheats will ruin fighting games as well. Enjoy it while it lasts; all online games are getting ruined by subhuman Black folk.
every game has cheaters, definetly every skill based game has it, the difference is some games are easier to cheat in than other, fps being by far the easiest and most advantageous
The best TF2 rocket jumper was a cheater
cheating hardly pops up in fighting games and it's extremely obvious to tell when someone is cheating too so it rarely EVER happens in something competitive and almsot never online and if it happesn online then whatever, it's not like something like CS where you're forced to play out a 20+ minute match against an obvious cheater.
I don't know how difficult it would be but surely bumping meter generation up by like 5-10% would be extremely hard to notice. A replay would out it pretty quick if they work by just replicating inputs but you probably won't notice in the match.
>fighting games
which ones aren't garbage? I tried SF6 and uninstalled after seeing the troony in the intro
melee
SF6 has cheaters and I've encountered them already. The hacks for that game are all based on the already reaction-based drive system. If you do drive impact the cheater will immediately respond with his own. They can always tech grabs and always get perfect parry on stuff. I've encountered the DI and the always grab-tech ones and the guy still lost.
>Playing a Valve game seriously
>Expecting a fair game
CS has always been THE cheater's paradise, all the "machine learning" VAC shit can't change that
>QuakeBlack person cannot fathom sub-genres of FPS not appealing directly to him
Why are Quakegays the single most obnoxious fanbase on this site
nothing he said was wrong
t.paperbag wearing anon
Incorrect
n
not a single moron who posts this picture has ever played quake
what sites are popular for hacks these days?
google.com
bing.com
I think yahoo.com can help also
this shits not hard to find. there are free cheats that are still undetectable in CS, probably every game
took more effort to post that than an actual response
maybe he doesn't have that knowledge off hand my homie
Friendly reminder
>PC then
>Aimbot is cheating
>PC now
>Aimbot is cheating
In 10 years console FPS will be borderline Idle games that play themselves.
see what happens if they give pc aim assist like controllers have
Did you see that halo infinite vid where they were jacking themselves off over making controllers actual aimbots? Who is the demographic here, phone players?
Aim assist is great, I still aim in the general direction and that's good enough. If you can't compete go play something else
Come play tf2 where you only need to shoot the floor around the enemy to kill them
I’m being serious. This game is engineered from the ground up for people who can’t aim, with the sole exception of the sniper class that can pub stomp at the cost of not being able to play the objective
>If you can't compete go play something else
thats what people do. apex legends and halo infinite are dedicated "controller" games on PC now because all the mouse & keyboard players have been driven by loud crybaby controller players who spam the devs on reddit about how they need their crutch
you moronic console Black folk really do deserve the fricking rope
i don't do this because i emulate a controller with my keyboard for free aim assist
i wipe entire lobbies vs console players because of it
kek
his face when he realize that his ''skills'' are just aimbot
The "I'm basically cheating vs a controller" sentiment came from the fact that on a mouse you can aim around easily 400% faster than on a controller. But still, all human manual input. Just as back then no aim-assist controller games or light-aim assist controller games were just much much slower.
Now controller games have gone so extreme, that the manual player input is absolutely minimized. You jump to the nearest target, you keep locked on it, you have perfect recoil control without doing any input. That's why it's called cheating.
>could it be that devs started giving console players officially sanctioned aimbots as a way to cope with gamepads' worse aiming?
>no, it must be PC players being b***hes
Modern console games have ton of aim assist brother
moronic
"aim assist" can go from slow tracking help to literal snap on instant headshots the moment you are pointed in the same general direction
not even the best pc player can do 180 and hit a headshot blind, but you can with some moronic shit consoles auto aim does
pc players are a bunch of cry babies
nothing new here
pc players are the ones abusing the aim assist though. console players still get absolutely rolled in crossplay because they are braindead morons playing 10 feet away from their shitty low resolution TV screen on shitty hardware and 200ms input lag. the big aim assist boogieman are the PC players are who willingly put down their mouse and keyboard and pick up a controller so they can get kills with as little effort as possible, and will fight tooth and nail against separating the lobbies, removing aim assist in competitive settings, etc.
PC players who use controller legitimately have a cheater mentality but are too cowardly to cheat for real
Lol wasn't there some big todo about PC players having a mouse and keyboard read as a controller input?
yeah, it's an issue when the game is free like cs global is, there is no consequence to getting banned so noone cares
it's always the same
lol so blatant
always the same
this one is a common wallbang
/thread just don't play i guess
The problem was allowing third worlders to get internet. Back in the day there were hardly any cheats because the white man has a natural respect for honour and fair play. You'll never get that back unless we make a whites only internet.
>a whites only internet.
"black listed" players can not play with "white listed" players, and for some reason, certain people complained about the naming convention.
>natural respect for honour and fair play.
every war you ever fought is b***hass tier lmao. you invade people without guns to shoot back with. you bomb people who don't have a standing air force. you all are pussies stop fronting lol.
We fought the hardest wars, you subhuman. It was against each other, for thousands of years.
>admitting you are so subhuman and uncivilized you'd just kill each other if dark people weren't around
Yes we already know this
>moves goalposts
>keeps jerking himself off
Yep you're a swineskin alright
>admitting you are so subhuman and uncivilized you'd just kill each other if dark people weren't aroun
What do they say about stones and glasses houses, chinaman?
Quiet shitskin, white men are talking. We made the guns we can use them how we wish.
>We made the guns we can use them how we wish.
Including funneling the guns to moderate rebels who turn them on you after a few years! Ah, you're geniuses.
I thought u said shit skin 2L
>We made cheats we can use them how we wish.
quiet israelite pretending to be a Black person, nobody asked
I keep hearing this and it's really funny. You're admitting Europe was superior and back then might was right. What are you supposed to drop your guns and fling excrement and rocks because the natives you're fighting against are so technologically behind they're essentially monkeys?
>copium
>basically admits you are school shooter: the race after bragging about honor
lol keep contradicting yourself though
what were
>WW1
>WW2
Why would you even respond to such a blatantly uneducated post? He's not going to learn anything. He'll spout racist garbage online for the rest of his life.
>stop fronting
why are you using Black person language? are you a Black person?
i remember seeing a graph for cheaters nationalities, sweden and denmark were high up there along with brazil/russia/china
That "study" used English search terms inputted into google.
third worlders cannot afford their games, let alone a subscription to a modern cheat
CS2 is literally f2p, $10 for prime and injects that work cost as little as $2. Skins are worth a lot more in return.
most third worlders who cheat are the relatively well off thirdies who spend a huge portion of their income on their cheating habit
You don't know anything about current events, history and video game history.
Seething brown
cheats only happen because of very simple reasons:
> shitty peer-to-peer schemes
> server doesn't properly author user actions
> publishers don't give a frick because every "banned" cheater means another sale of a game key
if you developed an FPS game where the server had full authority to the level where every action worked like a chess piece moving on a board, there would be no real ability to cheat.
except maybe ESP, but then that's just blocking the player's client from having info it shouldn't
consoles don't have this problem 🙂
They do but it is incredibly rare you ever found one after de-activating crossplay. The number one reason is that paid online plus the setup to run it is expensive to troll on 10 nerds after an hour of matchmaking given the low population numbers on consoles.
It's getting more common. There are aimbot programs that you plug in with a USB in the console that give you all sorts of cheats for specific console games. I know CoD has prevalent console cheaters, even some that come built in to custom controllers
It generally used to not have the problem, but the prevalence of crossplay, and webkit fricking Sony in the ass on ALL of their consoles with a browser removed that perk.
IIRC Cronus Max is one of the most popular cheating device/controllers on consoles.
Also...
>/r/Csgohacks
CLARA!
>There's literally no reason to play a multiplayer FPS nowadays if you are a legit player
This has been a known fact for years now.
If anything the real game is coding your own hacks and see how they measure up, there are basic tutorials for C# and C++ and others you can follow on YT for basic wall hacks, aim assists, plus AI assisted aim hacks to make them more human like.
For example, the better one would be a toggle on / off one that is only active around corners so you can avoid the obvious mistake streamers make where it is obvious wall tracking.
What is even funnier is that tournaments are BYOC which leads to moments like these:
Of course it was a pajeet.
the reason: He was following the speedhacker at first, didnt see him around the corner, assumed that the speedhacker was running around the building to come up behind him, started to pan his aim to that side, just as he does the speedhacker reappears in the peripheral, quickly pan back to kill speedhacker.
Are you really this oblivious?
He's been posting the same webms in every hacking thread.
I'm pretty sure it's a cheat seller false flagging at this point.
Why does this schizo spam these webms, like unironically? what's the fricking goal. No one in these fricking threads care about shroud or believe he's a legit player even before the webm spam so what is he trying to gain from doing this nearly every day
>Why does this schizo spam these webms, like unironically?
a badly programmed robot posts the same webms in the same order every time.
a better programmed robot randomizes the upload order of the same webms.
the best robot reads posts and responds by saying it's not a robot.
an actual human would post the best webm of the bunch, say they have more but then choose to stop being such a fricking e-celeb autist. yes anon we all hate shroud, now please stop being a shithead.
I appreciate him exposing streamer cheaters though. I wouldn't be surprised if a good chunk of these pros resort to cheating because they need to keep making le epic youtube clips each stream.
That said some of the webms could be natural skill/headphone footsteps. But some of them really look like legit cheating.
>like unironically?
maybe he's doing it ironically
A well set up hack is impossible to detect. Even if you show a mouse cam, it still looks believeable, you just need to roughly aim in the direction.
There's this ow yt homosexual who does it, but he is cheating.
I'll believe him if he comes to my house and plays the same on my setup.
yeah i knew a guy like this but he was cheating in gmod pvp
footsteps and gaps in the fence
the COD one with him shooting a wall at an enemy standing still is pretty blatant though
>shitty grainy vod without audio
>you can see the enemy moving right through the gaps
>anybody with more than 10 hours has enough game sense to predict his movement through the wall
Its like you arent even trying
yea it sucks op, counter strike or tarkov imo are probably the worst I've come across for this, cod is pretty bad too, no idea how people have fun cheating it doesn't take any skill at all
yeah it's insanity. they've always been there but there were a lot less back in like cs:source and cs 1.6 days. during csgo and especially during and after covid lockdowns, cheating went fricking nuts. anyone who played back then knows already but some people think they're just bad which isn't true.
wow good crosshair placement!
I'm not good enough so I just cheat lmao I will never be able to have fun in games like tarkov because of the raw talent some people have, I will always be the fun for people with skills
Now I can have fun too
next time you see a cheater record it and post video in steam discussions for this game maybe that will help, make sure to copy his steam id
playing competitive head-click with strangers has always been an unfun waste of time. playing against cheaters just drives the point home as to why.
don't get me wrong, CS is fun for LAN parties but that's about it.
just stop playing any "competitive" multiplayer FPS, its a complete waste of time, you will get nowhere and not even have fun, singleplayer FPS are alright at least, the moment these shitty FPS esports leagues were ok with cheating in their ranks, its was all over
Cheaters are based because they make moralgays and rulecucks seethe like ITT. This brings me great enjoyment.
Imagine getting upset over a videogame lmao
imagine taking a video game so seriously that you have to download cheats to cope with losing.
Cheating is fun, that's why people do it. No one cheats and thinks "YEAH IM THE BEST" they just do it and lol at homosexuals like you who legitimately care about where they sit on the ladderboard.
LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMEEE
cheaters are the one whom cares about scoreboard the most.
i cheat all the time and i have never given a single frick about some homosexual scoreboard (if anything i used to care about them when i wasn't cheating). nowadays it's exactly as
said, it's fricking fun and i like doing.
Nah
You obviously have some self esteem and approval issues. You're probably incredibly mediocre everywhere else so you cheat in videogames to feel like you're exceptional. Every cheater is some seething subhuman (waaa I don't want to accept I'm a low rank shitter)
You're coping bro.
Unless you're talking about esports like the webms posted ITT: Those don't count because anyone who plays "esports" is a subhuman
im not coping cheaters are subhuman trash
more coping from a sore loser. i bet you were crying when you downloaded them. pathetic.
I don't think people cheat to feel accomplished outside of the most juvenile players, they cheat because they themselves aren't having any fun (possibly because they're losing so frequently) and by cheating they can destroy the fun of anyone else playing the game and gain some measure of satisfaction.
This is the equivalent of someone playing football and getting shit on constantly before walking away and calling it a dumb sport for losers. The only difference is that in the case of online games, it's possible to cheat and frick someone else's games over until everybody loses.
Except clearly cheating is the definition of caring too much about a videogame to the point you remove the fun and just tryhard for scores.
You'd have an argument if the cheaters were flying, noclipping and trolling. Instead they put in huge amounts of work and money to disguise it.
>it brings me great pleasure to be an butthole to other people for no reason!
ask me how I know you had no home training
>responding to bait
tsk tsk tsk
you're right anon I should control myself
wow
so organic
much true
not sales pitch!!
It's not a sales pitch until I see a link.
Looking for Tarkov and CS2 cheats btw
If an AI can easily play the game better than you it's a shit genre.
that list of genres is just gonna get bigger and bigger anon.
FPS aimbots have been around for decades so it's up there on the "no thinking required" list.
>If an AI can easily play the game better than you it's a shit genre.
unironically FPS games with the ai cranked to inhuman levels really would just be aimbots butt-fricking everyone. the only "strategy" against a terminator-tier robot in an FPS would be a rear or flanking ambush with a 1-hit kill weapon/attack.
> 1 pixel changes in the FOV of the robot
> immediately identified as a player
> dead
not necessarily a shit genre, just raw data processing power beating the shit out of biological nerves. what would make it shit is if the map design prevented anything other than face-to-face confrontations.
there's also audio cues in most of these games so the AI would proably be able to track your footsteps but yeah
Not an FPS but Dead By Daylight had cheaters get into the company's backend and use their bot technology to make their own killer bots and the way they made it work was just gave it 20+ copies of a perk that makes survivor audio louder so it could just hear everyone everywhere and autopilot to them
I am sick of loser gold novas posting such moronic examples. The ct is in a well-known spot with almost no maneuverability. Gold novas use this spot to get kills on moron T who plants default without checking his corners.
Decent players know to use this spot sparingly, precisely because it is easy to bang, easy to prefire and allows basically no way to go.
One CT is dead at graveyard and another fought his teammate on arch side. One is bound to B by the banana player. Leaves two CTs unknown. Where are they? Buster is pushed out and still alive, so the CT play defensively and sneaky. Could hide pit, site or library. The bomb is rotating to B, so he wants to be loud to keep CTs at A. He assumes one is site, starts banging. CT appears in library and Buster thinks he found the missing CT, starts shooting there instead.
you can't wallbang that solid stone wall moron
then how did JDC take 27 damage?
>you can't wallbang that solid stone wall moron
You've been able to wallbang that spot since the day Inferno's remake came out.
>zoomer strike: babby offensive
not canon
>zoomer strike
You've been able to wallbang since fricking 1.6. Try again zoomer.
Don't bother. I went through this same thing when all these more sophisticated hacks starting come out. All anyone is gonna do is say you're lying, paranoid, or just "can't have fun anyway". They're in denial. Nothing is gonna change because they don't want to believe it. Just move on.
top production teams with their own unironic business
Maybe companies should hire them if only to prevent them from making cheats for their games because clearly they're shit at preventing cheaters and bots.
>get hit in the head
>camera shakes like crazy
>immediately snap crosshair to the guy in smoke
>crosshair follows a guy in smoke for couple of frames
>second later headshot same guy in the middle of his jump
seems legit
you barely notice the toggle
Naw dude he heard a sound
Some of us have lives to live. Not everyone has time to train to become better at the game, have to work. Got more money than time, so why shouldn't I use pay for cheats to level the playing field?
You dont even have money poorgay.
also cheats are cheap like 2 usd for a month of cs2
>cs cheats
VAC is dogshit also a game where literally a MASSIVE portion of the playerbase cheats
Cheats for other games can be extremely expensive, UD cheats for gayorant, overwatch, fortnite cost an arm and a leg.
then you aren't supposed to be better at the game. that's like saying "i should be able to rob that person with all that money because i'm too lazy to work for my own money"
>so why shouldn't I use pay for cheats to level the playing field?
Except you're not 'leveling the playing field', you're not even playing on the playing field. You've replaced yourself with a robot that plays the game for you at a level that far exceeds any amount of human effort.
In current day, you either :
>cheat yourself and become part of the problem
>ignore the obvious closet cheaters and learn to be a cuck while getting toyed around by them
>dont play online FPS games at all
I just started closet cheating myself, have been doing for a couple years now, every time i spot another closeted Black person i hard focus him and the shit becomes HVH.
i did this in cs:go, cheats were always at the ready
you have no fricking clue how many cheaters there were for the entire bracket from GN2-GE
Oh i know, i was GE since 2014, every other match was straight up HVH.
it was the worst at supreme-global, but LE had some moments that felt even worse
most of the time it was me and others looking at eachother through the fricking walls completely shamelessly, not like "oh i caught a glance tee hee" but literally watching walls that made dead teammates on my team ask "what the frick are you doing"
>every time i spot another closeted Black person
absolutely pathetic, im sure you have a flawless "closet cheat" detection and aren't a homosexual at all
what cheats do you use
Cheating is the reason why I gave up on PC multiplayer gaming.
Even fricking games like death stranding has hackers in the leaderboard, a fricking walking simulator
>research cheats after experiencing blatant hackers 80% of my games
Probably a lie. Cheats happens, but people who say it's 80% in a game where you have a replay feature are of their rocker. Likely just absolute shitters who can't distinguish between rock footsteps and wood footsteps, and get clowned on by people who outplay them. I can believe 80% in Tarkov where there's no way to check. But CS? Nah.
>cheats made never get caught and intentionally designed to be undetectable
Untrue. Well, the first half. Obviously they are designed to not be detectable. But people get caught all the time. The reason you can play for a long while with hacks, is because competent devs ban in waves. They find a way to detect certain hacks, mark your account, and then ban you down the line. Because if they banned every hacker instantly, that would help hackers make their hacks undetectable.
>that would help hackers make their hacks undetectable.
i dont care just ban them on sight.
If you ban them on sight, you would get more hackers anon.
Two scenarios:
A: You ban on sight.
What happens is: a hack creator, creates his hack, tests it, gets banned. Updates it, tests it, gets banned, update it, tests it, doesn't get banned. Congrats, you now helped him make a cheat that might stay undetected for months, maybe years, that he can sell far and wide.
Scenario B:
You note when you detect a certain kind of hack, and then ban in a wave after waiting a while.
This makes it so all the work of the hacker gets dumpstered at once, after he already sold the products, and likely will get his costumers angry. He has no idea, and no way of knowing what exactly got him caught. He now has to start making a new hack from scratch, and hope that it's not as easily detectable. You cost the dev more time, effort and money.
You REALLY want method two in your game, as banning on sight literally just makes it easier for hackers to hack.
How about you ban instantly when you detect that a dll was injected into a game process.
Okay AMD.
Then hackers will find a different way to do it.
then block that way i dont understand why constantly making life worse for cheaters is a treadmill problem
its like if your bank had a database that keep getting hacked but then IT security guy is like no we should not try to stop it or hacker will find more ways to hack our db.
Again: if you insta ban a cheater, that gives a cheater a perfect tool to make cheats virtually undetectable. It has to be kind of a back and forth, because like I said earlier, otherwise it becomes a "the cheater is always miles ahead and we are catching up". Faster anti-cheat, will literally cause more and better cheating.
And you have to balance keeping cheaters out, vs privacy intrusion. Valorant is better at keeping cheaters out, but you trust riot with FULL access to your PC, all you files, all your data. Personally, I'm not willing to risk that much to click heads.
>analogy
Well not quite the same. A bank database is a closed off room, that users can send info into, but can never enter. A game is basically a room you need to invite the users into, and in the room are curtains to hide certain info. It's easy to keep people out of the first room period, and notice right away when somebody managed to peek in. For the second however, it's much easier for people in the crowd to look behind the curtains with various methods. mirrors on their shoes, tiny holes in the curtain, wearing "see trough curtains" glasses.
>the cheater is always miles ahead and we are catching up
but its what's happening right now
what he's trying to get at is that it's better to have cheaters cheat openly rather than push them into obscurity
let people decide for themselves who they want to play with
>but i want super fast random matchmaking systems with 100% efficient elegancy and heckin poggers teammates
get some friends
no i just want a fricking replay system to work in cs2 so i can see was i cheated or im just paranoid. and volvo cant even do that
Maybe we just need societal change because cheaters in academia are ruining the fabric of society even faster than video game cheaters are ruining shooters.
I imagine they may both be the same group even.
shadow bans would also be good - put cheaters into cheater league and let them cheat themselves to death
Unironically some cheaters want this. There's a subsection of people going "I enjoy it this way, I would like to play against other hackers" I think there was a CS:Source server at one point specifically for hackers to play against each other.
Neverwinter nights had this, entire servers where cheating your characte with leto tools etc was allowed and the better cheater would win in duels.
He said 80% of games not players. For CS2 I'd say that's exactly right.
I would accept 80% of cheating stat if we assume cheating means immoral gameplay and we include singleplayer.
Some tasks are just really boring and badly designed, so cheating on them is just a good way to curate your own gaming experience.
In multiplayer exclusively though I really doubt so many people cheat. The more competition the more cheats, but people do not play at the 50th percentile in a competetive game and cheat, the 80% stat should therefor be in reverse.
No "of my games" means "matches", not "80% of video games".
80% of cs games you spastic.
cs2 has one of the most strict anti cheats ever and the fact that op is using a global offensive picture tells me he barely plays competitive games
> CS2 has strict anti cheat
There's literally no anticheat right now. You can use any free hack and you won't get picked up. No hyper has been trying for weeks to get banned streaming hacking, promoting it, using free injects and going full blatant and he can't catch a CS2 ban.
You don't know what you are talking about. Also I didn't use a CS2 cheat because I didn't want people to look it up or accuse me of shilling.
One of the selling points of CS2 is literally VAC LIVE
You know, where the cheaters are supposed to get kicked and banned right in front of you instantly in the game
>i-its in w-waves
Cope
Imagine when AI becomes so accessible and ubiquitous that a $2 microcontroller can run an AI model that basically plays the game for you.
It's off device so software cheat detection is useless and is unpredictable and natural enough that heuristics also won't work.
>imagine when you can let an AI play for you
I don't see how this is functionally different from watching a stream, you aren't playing at all at that point
and yet people aimbot when that's clearly not playing the game, either
Im waiting for the day an AI for WoW is invented.
I absolutely HATE having to deal with mmo Black folk, they all fricking suck and brick my keys.
I will gladly pay the sub for 5 accounts if i can have an AI team that pushes high keys with me without fricking up.
Creating a game that a computer can play better than a person was a mistake to begin with.
>basically plays the game for you.
What's the point of this
Easy to counter.
Put cameras into gamers room that shoot his face, eyes, hands and inputs. Checkmate hackers.
yeah fpscucks are basically living on a borrowed time. AI cheats will kill any form of competitive play because it will be physically undetectable
Play a lot of Hunt: Showdown and like a good 80% of the higher rank players are actual cheaters. I know this because I am one of them and its funny staring at each other through walls and giving each other little nods. Every lobby is an hvh
>muh why do u haxor how could u do this!111!111
its really cheap and completely undetectable. almost every lobby is chinese hackers anyways. Competitive fps's are doomed tho
>you probably have a cheater each game
Then why do i, as a legit player regularly topfrag? I really am built different.
TF2 is riddled with this kind of shit too. Ignoring the obvious bots, it's full of people using silent aimbots and crithacks.
Escape From Tarkov had a huge expose video made a few years back where a guy went and installed wallhacks and used it to indirectly communicate with cheaters, and discovered that basically every game he played had one or multiple cheaters (ignoring himself, obviously).
Basically competitive shooters of any kind are a complete fricking joke now because developing undetectable perfect cheats for them became a big business, and morons with their parents credit cards keep funding it.
Even shit with moronic spyware level anti cheat like Valorant cannot escape it.
It's the worst in TF2 because the community is so mindbroken by bots that all you have to do is speak and it literally does not matter if you cheat, nobody will actually listen
>See a guy prefiring around corners with projectile weapons
>Or a guy who crits every 4 shots
>Or a guy who double-fires his FaN faster than possible
>"Hey, that guy's cheating, kick him"
>'lol no im not ur mad'
>Nothing comes of it
NA servers in tf2 are fricking disgusting.
>homosexuals, trannies, furgay Black folk everywhere
>closet cheaters everywhere
>morons do nothing
>you call anyone a homosexual they cry about it
Cancerous shithole.
yeah and everyone praises this game as the best game and 'sooo alive' while the only one who playing it is kids, furgays and cheaters
Ganker praises soulsshit as the best games ever made
Ganker is dogshit at any multiplayer game
Ganker is filled to the brim with trannies and homosexuals
/v/'s opinion is terrible.
soulslike is reddit
>NA servers in tf2 are fricking disgusting.
No worries, EU is the same shit.
I tried playing TF2 again and the amount of children and unironic fur homosexuals with straight up porn sprays made me uninstall that shit in one afternoon.
It's hard now to even use voice chat in TF2 anymore cause of how sensitive the community has become. Back in 2011 you could say homosexual all you want and nobody would bat an eye. Now I've been threatened with a ban on a community server for say "moron."
>Join NA TF2 server with friends
>He says Black person in text chat
>Instant vote to kick
>Fails with basically the full lobby participating
>Vote gets called again as soon as possible
>Yes votes barely scrape through and he's kicked
How fricking mindbroken are Americans. They really will do anything their israeli slave masters tell them to. One word and they fricking fold
deserved. bants are good, but i don't want edgy losers like you and your "friends" in my lobbies lol
>>Or a guy who double-fires his FaN faster than possible
Shoot in scrollwheel is not cheating.
The hell are you talking about? tickbase manipulation has been in source engine games for ages and that's what people are doing to double-tap with the FaN
He's talking about Doubletap, dumbass. The cheat where you fire both Force-a-Nature shots simultaneously, dealing massive damage, usually enough for an instant kill.
>See a guy prefiring around corners with projectile weapons
so, normal projectile gameplay? It's extremely common to prefire corners/chokes/flanks whatever as soldier even if you dont think someone is there
clearly if aimbotting is a problem, just give everyone aim bot, remove all ohko weapons, increase all time to kill by a whole 2 seconds and call it a day
FPSes should stop having a crosshair; just put a big circle in the middle of the screen that autoaims anything in it, like an older armored core game. No need for aimbots anymore
in literally every competitive thing at the highest level literally everyone is cheating, non cheaters dont even get there
Do you think dudes at EVO2023 are using aimbots? Dumb frogposter.
They use bind combos
Press a button to do a entire combination of buttons
In front of a live audience? Fighting games have a pretty small set of inputs, anyone could simply watch their hands and see what buttons are being pressed.
doesn't seem to be true for fighting games
what about rts? i always figured that was a legit scene
RTS dont cheat but they rig or rigged the matches in the past
Anyone else remember when a commonly used "UNDETECTABLE" CSGO cheat had its source code posted freely in pastebin, and Valve used it to upgrade VAC.
Immediately massive waves of high ranking and top competitive players all got VAC banned because they were still using the compromised cheat.
Yet despite this people still tried to take the competitive part of the game seriously. Unironically a fricking joke.
I wonder how many of the pros in Smite are using cheats?
The only solution is for developers to make shooters with built-in aimbots and design the game around it, sort of like Armored Core. You can't really cheat sophisticated gameplay like good positioning, closing in for melee attacks or setting up a combo with mindgames or cooperation between players.
no matter how much you praise current cheats ability to stay undetected. a SINGLE vac automated ban OR a single overwatch review, will result in you having a big ass ''VAC BANNED" on your profile, frick your account then.
yes I know one shouldn't cheat on their main but thats just even more pussy behavior
lol free game, they dont even bother with hardware baning
If they ever have a tournament where default hardware is used, and the players must train on them to compete, the skill level would go down dramatically.
thats why i play league of legends
What kind of cheats exist for ASShomosexualS anyway, aside from seeing through fog of war and bushes?
high level is full of macros that react/dodge/skillshot for you, show you the range for every attack. etc...
Everyone ITT is moronic.
To actually know if someone cheats, you need to look at their demos. I can guarantee you that none of you do this, you just complain that the guy was pre-aiming your "off angle" when pure game sense / diligence would've made it obvious.
I am that actual autist who reviews demos. I can confirm 1 cheater every 50 games or so. One guy who is blatantly locking through walls, pre-aiming angles with no noise or no rational explanation (i.e. it's planted for ramp so there's a high chance the last guy is ramp). It's appalling, a good anti-cheat would be less than 1/1000, but it's not as bad as you think.
And then you make the mistake of installing the latest AMD drivers, say goodbye to your account.
How many people remember the eras where hacking was just straight-up a really nice compliment, and common consensus was that cheating was just an incredibly rare thing?
I straight-up assume that half the matches I play in popular FPS games nowadays have at least one cheater in them.
How do people play this? Does quake champions not have r_picmip? In quake live I can pick out a pixel of keel peaking out from behind a wall from the other side of the map. This i can barely make out a player standing out in the open.
I don't think it does from memory, but I haven't played in a while.
use your eyes homie the guy is glowing purple
Did you mean to quote the other dude?
Cheating without getting caught is part of the player's skillset. It's a skill of the player and part of the game. A naive childish child like you of course would not understand.
That's like saying prompting some AI slop art is a skillset. lol you are a sociopath
If you are lower in the food chain you are lower in the food chain. You don't make it to the top of society and into sports car ownership by NOT using all the skills and tools you can. Simple as. Masculinity 101.
I don't think exploiting, oppressing, cheating, or stealing is a good thing, and I think what sets humanity apart from animals is the spirit of cooperation. Unfortunately, you have a diseased mindset that demands competition and despises genuine passion and skill.
Lol look at this saturday morning cartoon.
Civilization requires cooperation. People like you were executed in times past. You just forget since there are so many safety nets nowadays. But when the deterioration becomes apparent. Untrustworthy backstabbers will be the first to go to the wilderness. The tribe won't survive with you brain addled idiots around.
>Civilization requires cooperation.
>People like you were executed in times past.
Ah yes, Stalin style, he was a well known co-operator, not just another despot establishing himself to be at the top to do some "exploiting, oppressing, cheating, or stealing" at all LoL.
You are such a good guy.
the fact your idea of "times past" is the 20th century is quite telling that you are underaged.
Sure thing Fidel Castro. Go solve the world peace with purges or something, LoL.
Cheating the game and calling it victory is like jerking off and thinking you really had sex with another person. Its entirely delusional, you lost by cheating the game since you refused to play by the rules, you only recieved the image of a victory screen. In order to play a game let alone win one, you have to abide by the rules.
that's the funniest part, cheaters are so messed up psychologically that they truly believe they're somehow superior to others they cheated against. cheaters aren't special, anyone can download cheats created by someone else.
this too, all cheating is sin.
man if this is not bait you are for sure going to hell
Holy shit you are gay
>Masculinity 101.
That's israeliteery, not masculinity. Ever seen a manly israelite?
Bring back the LAN, cheaters will be hanged.
i dont see an issue
cheating is a brown personality trait, thank god i'm white
I've been playing TF2 on a community server for years. I'm also an admin there. Have only had to ban a cheater manually once, the rest get caught automatically by lilac, a source mod. And even that has only happened so few times I could count them on one hand.
I think if you join a tf2 server you're most likely joining it for fun. There's no incentive to cheat because there's no ranks and it's a pretty casual game at that. Plus you know if you actually do cheat you will get manually banned instantly by an admin instead of being able to cheat for weeks before VAC finally decides to ban you.
What I guess I'm saying is stop playing normalgay games like CS and call of duty and you'll stop encountering cheaters.
Server name? I'd love to get back into a fun casual server again.
Sorry Gankerermin are not allowed
this is why i switched from fps to fighting games. all skill. the only 'cheat' are maybe custom OS with lower latency, and thats worse case. still beatable by a good player
Casual fps and fps with high ttk/very little hitscan minimizes cheaters. Even with nonfunctional anti cheat. But yeah its prolific.
The end game of this is everyone cheats. I think a quirky fps couls be made that gives everyone esp/aimbot and design the game around making that fun. A proof of concept of an unhackable fps.
Even if you make it babby mode people will still cheat. OW2 and AL are very forgiving but you still have hackers there.
That fun game will also have cheats after it starts becoming popular.
Which FG is worth picking up nowadays
>Which FG is worth picking up nowadays
SF6 imo, has the most depth. its hard though but satisfying if you're good
>SF6
I don't support troony games tho
They made a research that 5% of players being cheaters is enough to completely kill and demoralize a game because the experience is so unfair. The fact games like CS, Apex, etc. aren't dead might mean cheaters are probably 50+% of the playerbase already.
Valorant has hacks already though. Ring 0 anticheat malware rape is not a magic bullet.
I been hacking in fps since quake 2 and not once have I been caught or anti cheat banned
competitive scene with awards on the line will always have cheats and cheaters. same as in all major sports.
any sort of official competition will have cheats in then in fact being a competitive person in anything in 2023 is bluepilled af just the same as lifting weights and assuming you can get big like all the 99% of the industry that roids.
at least everyone know bodybuilders are roiding, it's no secret, fanboying for cheaters saying they are legit is cringe
I don't think league scripts are that common, just my two cents playing the game for a long time.
watch any lux/xerath/nid player, they all script
its especially obvious with xerath in gold or lower when their 6/1 "support" lands every ult meteor
I was trying to figure out why I became so disillusioned with multiplayer FPS as a genre. I used to love grinding out hours of playtime mastering a game until I was consistently number 1 or 2 on every server I joined, even played some games competitively before e-sports for big. I would love going to LAN parties and being the guy that got accused of hacking or cheating because I out skilled casual players so hard, and would love meeting people better than me and learning from them.
Then like 6-7 years ago, I couldn't stand the genre. I loved Doom 2016 and OG overwatch. I think it had to do with the rise of the Battle Royale genre right around the same time cheating became so ubiquitous. It got to the point where I couldn't put in enough time to learn the game or get better at it, you'd just get killed through walls or halfway across a map. Things weren't fun anymore. I just dropped the genre altogether and never picked it back up.
>I am blackpilled so hard right now. There's literally no reason to play a multiplayer FPS nowadays if you are a legit player.
Came to this same realization playing planetside 2
top 3% of players, completely legit, and I could tell there was definitely a lot of flagrant cheating going on. Basically everyone at my same level was cheating. I was seeing guys in my outfit go from 0.8 kdr for months to suddenly 2-3 kdr overnight. When I started investigating it a little more thoroughly it became incredibly obvious there were cliques of friends either sharing cheats with each other, or selling them.
Just on a statistical level you could snuff out cheaters because they'd always have upper 0.00001% headshot ratio for the entire population. These guys were running around 5 or 6 standard deviations above the average, if you took the whole player group on a normal distribution curve what you'd get is this giant fricking lump right at the upper end where all the cheaters are it was so fricking obvious to see when you did basic b***h statistical analysis.
And it's not a small amount, it's like 20% of the player population is cheating. In planetside 2, where every fight is basically 50vs50 almost at a minimum, you are absolutely guaranteed to see a few cheaters at every single fight.
This shit is absolutely rampant, and worst of all, everyone is in complete denial about it. The average moron thinks "cheating" means "flies around with a machinegun rapidfiring infinite rockets" rather than what it actually is: Minute bit of extra magnetism to correct your aim when it's 5 degrees off target, a head hitbox edited to be 40% larger than normal, a button you press that automatically aims at the closest target even if they're behind a wall, an automatic spotter than always spots everyone around you using the in-game spotting system but circumventing all of its intentionally designed limits.
If 20% were cheating, how were they 6 standard deviations above average?
By definition, those two are mutually exclusive.
Using cheats, not caring and having fun is absolute chad behaviour.
Trying to desperately prove something to yourself and getting sweaty in a videogame for children is virgin brained.
It's funny the type of person that says this is usually an Indian incel
b***h ass basterd
I don't see the appeal anytime I cheat in a singleplayer game I lose Interest it's not fun but these people are sociopaths that derive joy from robbing others I don't understand it cause I'm not a selfish psychopath
>cause I'm not a selfish psychopath
well a good portion of gamers are
>play Starship Troopers Extermination
>coop bug extermination
>it's fun
>positive and comfy mood of people roleplaying
>encouraging other players
>screaming in anguish when they get cut in half
>there are now cheaters
WHY.
FRICKING WHY.
EXPLAIN TO ME.
WHY.
I honestly think it's a zoomer mentality where using a computer to be better at something is so ingrained that cheating isn't seen as something to be looked down on but a natural part of increasing your skill at something. It's not about mastering the task using your own skill but completing it in the most efficient way possible. It doesn't matter how you reach the goal just that you reach it.
But the goal is meaningless. What's the point?
they win/are the best
its chink mentality
>Selfish psychopaths
>Sociopaths
At the top
>Anon
Whining at the bottom or more accurately... AS the bottom
Need I say more?
Same shit with chess to be honest. Online chess is a joke. It's so easy to just boot up stockfish on your phone, pick a logical-looking move that gives you massive gains in advantage, and win. Not to mention the players that throw most of the game away only to bust out top-computer moves near the end.
>i am blackpilled so hard right now
nah you're just a moron
cheaters always exist, most people don't cheat because it's boring.
you have seen a cheater play at some point growing up? what did you think about them? I remember a friend of mine aim botting in cs, he was not playing the game and having fun, he was just sitting there and today he's just a complete tool
it doesnt matter what he does he will always be a loser because he has the boring loser mentality
>omigosh everyone can cheat
yes that is the point of cheating and no it's not special
I went in a rabbit hole of COD cheats
Oh boy you can get them for like 10 bucks a month
And they have worked for all recent Cods and they work for the MW3 beta
If you pay for a cheating subscription you have already lost in a way way worse than anyone losing in a videogame.
People cheat in fallguys pvp is cancer end of story stop buying pvp games or have matchmakers that pit people with the exact same stats even still there will throw matches to get into the lower brackets to roflstomp quit investing in pvp goy slop
just why lol
this is the equivalent of being competitive in a playground or something
How are cheats being shilled?
If anything it makes the devs/cheaters butthurt because real players know playing competitive is a scam nowadays.
>How are cheats being shilled?
Making a shitty doompost about "oh no woe is me if everyone else is cheating I might as well do it myself!".
moron.
If other people cheating makes you want to cheat, you're a subhuman.
No one is advocating for cheating though. You're projecting lmao
The chinese text at the end fricking killed me
CS2 fricked up by not having premier require a full on root kit like valorant. I dont got shit to hide homie I just dont want to play against cheaters.
This. I played it for a couple of weeks then stopped as there's no point right now as a legit player.
If you spectate it's effectively every game that there's a player clearly wall hacking, tweaking inuria settings. Most likely aimbotting and triggerbotting but that can always be argued as just ability, whereas the wall hacks are just blatant.
So there's no point to the game. It's 10 year olds mic spamming getting farmed by arabs injecting cheats.
Until nohyper catches a ban i won't play.
Nohyper is a good look into the CS cheater mindset. He's open about cheating but still derives a real sense of superiority from it, on his streams he's always criticizing players missing shots or not seeing him etc. He copes that he plays legit on his main account but that caught a VAC ban.
When he does his 'more cheats with every death' streams he dies pretty quickly first rounds. Then shortly thereafter he's back up with wall hacks and a triggerbot talking about the others not being good players.
Multiplayer games are meant to be played with friends, not strangers.
I love watching camomo ban rust cheaters this is the best entertaining.
thanks kino youtuber watching rn
Yeah he really shows how stupid and predictable cheaters are. Like you can literally predict their every move because they will try to play as toxic and as offensive as possible. Like if you are behind a wall they will push you or if you in a base they will go raid you. But when you start killing them they just leave or start crying.
> everyone that's better than me is a cheater
lol, lmao
> everyone that's better than me is a cheater
that is true because i always play good
>220 games in at 14k
>not a single cheater
This is why I don't feel bad playing Apex with my controller plugged in
>cheater in the other team
>team is suddenly extra motivated to win
>people donating awp to good players
> cheater on A
>everyone rushes B
>"gg everyone well played"
Never happened to me, 2k hours played, reached GE multiple times
My region is full of chill people unironically.
Cheaters are more likely to buy skins and prime. It's that simple.
>with their own unironic business
frick you
Yep, that's the reason why all paying devs/publishes for Anti-Cheat are literal morons.
Even if they would work (for a short time), there will be found new ways. It's like DRM, real hacking & security in IT or security in general. Especially for bullshit like vidya it's wasted money and resources.
Devs should just make official servers where cheating is allowed. Then most of those problems will be solved.
That's not remotely what cheaters want. All you would get is blatant cheating there and the same wallhacks/fov aim in normal.
i use rewasd to get controller aim assist on mkb. Aiming is a dumb skill to grind lmao
CS already has AI attributing people trust values so if you're high trust and don't act like a Black person you never get any cheaters
Just don't say Black person in voice chat or you're forced to play with cheaters
Obsessed and moronic
Gaben isn't putting you in cheater concentration camps for being a raging /misc/tard
yeah but he does that for new players well did that in cs go, if you had a new profile you get 100% hvh lobbies everytime because of low trust factor
you started at mid-trust, with all the other blatant hackers buying new accounts
I have Prime and still my prerank matches are extremely sussy
That's not true, that *loosely* applied in GO (barely worked), doesn't apply in CS2.
t. low trust
>fat ass incel spends 10k hours "mastering" the digital toy
>I download 1 (one) program and destroy his ass
skill issue
Valorant chads won
CStrannies on suicide watch
Old FPS like cs1.6 had it already solved.
Solution is dedicated server. People came to just have fun and in case of cheater there was always an admin or someone who gad direct contact and cheater is removed almost instabtly.
Whilst this is true unofficial servers allow things like people saying Black person and that's worse than unplayable levels of cheating.
>owning people with a low tier weapon
>kicked by power tripping admin
>Old FPS like cs1.6 had it already solved.
like frick they did. CS 1.6 just didn't have an entire fricking giant profitable industry behind creating hacks.
Also:
>that image
All of that shit existed in old games too. Counter Strike specifically I encountered many "I just wanna play the way I want too" freaks, who completely disregarded that it was a team game. Resulted usually in a votekick / voteban. Same for flamers, and all kinds of other shit.
>tfw haven't played a multiplayer game in years
Shit is depressing. The fact that people defend that there isnt hackers is ridiculous.
Honestly I think 60% of people are using programs to remove props so they can see through walls and smoke and stuff.
And like 30% of people are using soft hacks that are doing wall esp etc and pretending they dont have it but arent using aimbot.
I think another 15% or so are using aimbots that are making ai based microadjustments that are near impossible to spot but I think explains many of the impossible "why did they land that? ever single time" things that many of the high end streamers do like shroud. Nearly nobody is using blantant hacks like speed hacks or some 1990s aimbot shit that is easily seen snapping to targets.
https://streamable.com/x6wk4v
https://streamable.com/0cww5m
https://streamable.com/muw4qy
>Playing MPshit
Here lies the problem
stuck
bad
cope
From a dev perspective, here's what will happen the second you 'cheat':
1, the executable or dll that you just ran has it's file hash calculated and uploaded to valve.
2, the executable or dll has it's logic, via assembly language assigned a 'signature' and uploaded to valve to bypass 'stubs' that modify file hashes.
These hashes/signature are PERMANENTLY stored at valve. When they are sure a hash/signature is used for cheating, they permanently VAC ban every single person who ever ran that file, even if it was 5 years ago, it doesn't matter.
You lose your account
You lose your skins
You can never trade anyone again
You can never use the steam market again
Your steam account is tarnished with a VAC ban and can never play any game online that uses a VAC Protected server.
If you cheat you WILL 100% be banned and there is nothing you can do about it.
And 'no' you can't disable VAC, ever. It has a 'heartbeat' if it doesn't recieve it you get auto VAC Banned.
Wrong, vac doesn't do that anymore because its literally illegal.
>literally illegal
According to who?
>t. time traveller from 15 years ago
>Inject code in memory
>Executable on disk gets its hash checked and black listed
>Every player in the game immediately gets banned because it hashed an unmodified file
heh.
nothen personnel
They've actually done this before I can't remember what game i'm sure it was CSGO
i used aimware all my life and only got banned from overwatch for blatantly using it, never a vac ban.
>And 'no' you can't disable VAC, ever
https://github.com/danielkrupinski/VAC-Bypass
this literal open source bypass worked for YEARS
>There's literally no reason to play a multiplayer FPS nowadays if you are a legit player
i like to flex my skins and if i used cheats i would be paranoid about getting banned.
Previously, if you thought a guy was suspicious, you could watch the demo after the game to confirm or disprove your suspicions.
Now that the CS2 is released, demo recording has been disabled, so cheaters are power tripping because you can't tell whether a player is legit
I'm not even talking about other issues that the game has. CS:GO was already janky, but CS2 is completely broken. No one asked for this.
When I played CSGO I enjoyed that brief time where they allowed you to Overwatch cheat matches
>there is no reason now
there has NEVER been a reason to play a videogame.
you play something because you want to play it, because it's fun
if you start adding ulterior, extrinsic motives to it, like
>i have to do X to unlock all achievements
>i have to play X hours to get a lootbox to sell
>i have to play X at launch to be able to discuss it online
>i need to get better to climb the ranking, and boast about it on twitter
>i have to do my dailies for the crystalgems and a chance to roll the bikini swimsuit skin
>i have to play an old game i don't like to be able to understand the story of a game i plan to play next
then you already lost. you either do not like videogames anymore, or will soon grow tired of them
Dumbest post in the thread. Maybe just maybe people like to play on an even playing field. How would you like to play chess where your opponent begins with all queens?
I think silo'd servers with quick admin bans for any spectated suspect behaviour is the only way to get playable games now but devs hate surrendering control of their games in that way.
You'd have admins insta banning troons and game journos reeeeing.
>trannie cheaters become admins
What now, smart guy?
>Muh low numbers
>Muh pure skill
What plebs will do to keep up this charade lol
I’m a pc player who exclusively plays with a trackball.
I never feel inferior to mice or controllers. Maybe you should get good on your device if choice instead of blaming other input methods for your lack of skill.
t. https://youtu.be/QJrhUdKoK-s?feature=shared
Pros and content creators are the most likely people to use cheats which is why the companies don't do anything about them
Yeah i feel cheating is a bigger thing than ever, dunno if its AI shit or what, but shitters are "too good"
if you can barely navigate a map, get stuck on trying to jump onto something and spend 30 seconds looking at the floor clearly showing its a small child or someone playing on a tablet you arent then doing 100% headshot accuracy like you are a pro
Or maybe im just more annoyed by cheaters those days, dunno
80% of games have cheaters and i somehow i still manage to win most of them i must be the the fricking best player ever right ?
or maybe your just moronic
A cheater can't carry a totally dead weight team. If you watch openly cheating streams they still get killed a couple of times most games due to reloading, too many opponents on screen at once for the bot etc.
But furthermore cheating is pretty ubiquitous these days. For every spinner there are 2 people with legit cheats who you'd never suspect.
https://arch.b4k.co/v/search/text/I%20am%20blackpilled%20so%20hard%20right%20now.%20/type/op/
this is definitely a cheat shilling thread
>another cheating thread filled with the same webms that don't prove anything, multiple of which are so piss poor that they've been debunked multiple times
>they still get posted by this schizo
All of them are evidence of cheating. You're just dogshit at FPS games so you don't understand why.
Cope and continue playing your fps slop then, have fun being steamrolled by cheaters/cheating yourself
I got back into CSGO and CS2 now since a few weeks. I noticed how many players know exactly where someone is on the map and they keep looking at the walls. When you're in spectator mode you can tell that they look at enemy players when they look at the walls. Some players also constantly switch to their knife like they are so confident they have nothing to worry about. They have to be cheating. I think it is very widespread especially since the game is free, so this thread is right about this issue.
subz you ARE the cheater
>Some players also constantly switch to their knife like they are so confident they have nothing to worry about. They have to be cheating
lmao
He phrased that badly but it's a clear giveaway. Best way to tell a wall hacker is how they act, usually they'll knife out sprint through whole sections enemies usually are, not checking around, then only prime their weapon when right by the section the enemies are in.
Win.
Is.
A.
Win.
I’m a complete noob to Counter-Strike and have been enjoying CS2 so far. I’ve only seen one obvious cheater so far in about 12 hours of gameplay, and he was kicked pretty quickly. I’ve only been playing casual so far and will likely stick to playing on community servers once there are some around for me to play on.
Something I wasn’t even a little aware of before I started playing CS2 was that a lot of CSGO players will play in a 4:3 resolution that’s been stretched to 16:9 because it supposedly makes enemies “bigger” and easier to hit. This sounds astoundingly moronic to me, but apparently people do this because some pros did it first.
PC gaming is a fricking joke, buy a playstation like the rest of us
I win my games regardless.
I am relatively good at FPSs and I am almost always first without cheating, and get accused of it now and then. In my experience I havent really found anyone that I would even suspect of cheating other than the obvious times where some random joins and starts killing people across the map and across everything that is just obvious and gets banned in like 10 minutes.
I also dont really play competitive/ranked so theres no incentive to cheat, maybe its more of a problem when you do that kinda shit.
threads like this are the reason I cheat, seethe more pls
(you)
Who gives a frick you fricking crybaby pussy Black person, cheating is here to stay Black person man, because the cheaters are smarter than the devs and the devs are helpless against cheating chads, if you don't like it stop playing multiplayer games you autistic homosexual, just like the car is here to stay, so are cheats, they are just apart of gaming now and are never going to way, so either cheat or shut the frick up Black person boy
>people who pay 30 bucks a month and give their information to shady russian cheat devs
>chads
lol
>DA RUSSIANS
Lmao they already have your information Black person, this website is not as anonymous as you think it is.
You have to be 18 to post here anon. You're at least 6 years too early.
The best way to counter them is to go to custom servers. Matchmaking has been a complete fricking disaster for multiplayer games.
>casuals: the thread
If cheaters are so common then why can I play CS, not cheat, and win so often? No one has ever answered this question.
I think the 30% number is game dependent but on current CS2 it's not far off. Just had two games in a row with a pretty blatant cheater on both sides in both and in the second two on my side.
Just frustrating as even spectating and pointing it out they never get kicked. People would rather get a help to a win over having a fun game.
They weren't cheating, you are just really bad, and people laugh at you when you occuse someone of cheating.
>occuse
ESL scum
did we really need this exact same thread a second time?
>a second time
anon, he's made this thread hundreds of times
It's some spamming homosexual who tries to gaslight everyone into thinking everyone's a cheater.
the amount of cheaters in warzone is astronomical
People cheat in ffxiv too, devs don't give a shit because they're more concerned about the ps4 getting another year older while their game gets bigger and bigger.
> thread about cheating
> most ESL thread on Ganker with browns seething about racism
Absolute poetry
Post hands
>the shroud autist is back
based spurned whale donator exacting revenge on his former favorite VIDEO GAMES streamer
@654251457
>Famous streamers can't cheat because they're famous!
Lol. Is this bait? Get a better argument. Multiple streamers have ended their careers from cheating. Also I couldn't give 2 shits about what he does or doesn't do for a career, all I'm pointing out is how he's perfectly tracking an enemy he shouldn't be able to.
maybe youre just bad
Just play fighting games. Shooters were always for unskilled shitters
>doesn't even refute the clip
Of course it was very funny to style on people, type in all chat
>Brown.
and get half the server rage typing for the next twenty minutes.
>You probably have a cheater each game
>nowadays
LUL It has always been like this especially in Counter-Strike: Source which only had a PEAK player count of 48,458
This is why you should play projectile, not hitscan, based games
You need to take into account the trajectory and timing of the projectiles rather than the instant marking of hitscan
This is why TF2 the only 2 classes that have hackers are sniper and heavy, basically, and you can tell easily when they are truly hacking (heavy usually also uses nospread)
they have projectile hacks too nimrod
This has been the case for over a decade, anon
The FPS cheat industry scaled up alongside the tournament and loot box economy
CS2 is a lot better on prime matchmaking when you've got ranked. Casual and rank sorting at the start is currently horrible because most cheaters are f2p'ing.
i don't understand the "peekers advantage" thing. why does it feel like the people swinging out get the drop on someone holding a position?
Because the guy who peeks sees the last known position of the guy who stands still before the still standing guy sees the new information about the peeker's position.
The higher your ping the stronger that effect is.
The funny thing is that cheaters in TF2 tend to lack any and all game sense, so they're still relatively easy to kill with some TEAMwork.
I say this having dominated a Demo/Huntsman Sniper using projectile aimbot by just placing my Sentry in weird positions and having a Pybro back me up. Dumbass kept walking right into it. Not defending cheaters of course, just saying they aren't as invincible as people like to make them out to be.
sadly, this is why I dropped apex and I only really play valorant for shooters
Consolechads win yet again
incoming pctroon seething
Smells like a Wall Street 2008 crisis style cooking in the multiplayer vdyagame genre, anons...
>companies dont care
>cheats got better
>competitive games grew in popularity exponentially
its only going to get worst
And years ago we were laughing that the media said that video games were harmful...
Kernel level Anticheats were certainly a step in the right direction. Setting the bar for cheat programmers to create their own kernel level cheats is definitely filtering like 99% of all public and free cheats and a good percentage of paid ones. The next logical step is to enforce UAC, TPM 2 and Secure Boot but at some point you gotta ask yourself how far you are willing to go just to enforce some features that can still be circumvented.
You will never be able to fully prevent cheating while games still run on your customers PC's. The real way to go against it would be by smartly engineering and containing cheaters with trust systems.
1. Nations that have vastly more cheaters than others need to be contained to their owns Servers. Like Russia. Geo block all Russian IP's and ban people for using VPN's. (Pic related)
2. Include a trust system that matches players with high trust factors together. The most important metric should be account value and money spent since cheaters avoid paying money wherever possible.
3. Never offer your game f2p or reduce the price. It needs a high cost of entry or cheaters will run rampant in it.
That alone will prevent a massive amount people from cheating. From there on it's only a matter of time and effort until we get AI assisted Anti cheats. Imagine if you can train an AI to learn how real human aim looks like or an AI that detects behaviour like staring through walls or pre-aiming through walls. The sky is the limit.
>since cheaters avoid paying money wherever possible.
Bull-fricking-shit, the amount of times I've seen blatant cheaters in TF2 with massive inventories is insane.
Small amount, most people are afraid of losing their account and the value.
So what? AI improves constantly. Technology moves on. Try again.
>Imagine if you can train an AI to learn how real human aim looks like or an AI that detects behaviour like staring through walls or pre-aiming through walls. The sky is the limit.
they tried that 5 years ago and it turned into a huge nothing burger that costs millions of dollars
Why do people cheat in meaningless things like video games?
Why do they earn achievements? Why do they buy cosmetics? To flex. Most of online games are based around flexing and appeal to people who like to flex
MP games need to die, to be replaced by game with AI bots. Those bots would be learning the game alongside you and getting better at it the more they play (you), it would be a long term rivalry between you and them, much more satisfying than playing randos online. It's replicating the experience of playing an online game with a friend
good thread
I dont get it?
the guy firing randomly off into the distance not aimed at anyone
also the downs and magical self-pick ups
Nothing demonstrates OPs brain damage more than him posting clips of shroud at LAN