>haha he has le ebin big muscles hes stronger than machamp xD
>does nothing but stand there and spam screens
What a failure of a design. When will Impidimp get a new evolution that’s actually competently designed instead of completely ruining the theme?
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>she doesn't use bulk up grimmsnarl
What a moron
>Even after evolving into this splendid form, it hasn't given up on its petty misdeeds and pranks.
It's perfect.
>i-it still plays pranks we’re just not going to actually reflect that in the design and just turn it into a moronic body builder instead
Do you b***h and whine about Sudowoodo not being a grass type just as much?
No, but if Sudowoodo ruined its own theme like Grimmsnarl then it would be a bad design like Grimmsnarl, yes.
Convergent grass-type Sudowoodo when?
>big muscles
They're hair moron
That form muscles moron
Not real muscles just hair moron
>haha he has le ebin big jaws hes stronger than salamence xD
>does nothing but stand there and spam stealth rocks
What a failure of a design. When will Gible get a new evolution that's actually competently designed instead of completely ruining the theme?
>0 Atk Grimmsnarl Spirit Break vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Machamp: 228-270 (71 - 84.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
The dex description is accurate. Even a defensive Grimmsnarl can easily wreck Machamp.
>signature move has literally nothing to do with fairies and is just “it le hits so hard it breaks your spirit xD”
GF really ran out of ideas
>changing the topic
Glad we agree that your original argument was moronic.
>topic is “this design is bad”
>talk about how “this design is bad”
>Y-YOU’RE CHANGING THE TOPIC!!
Shut up homosexual
>topic is "lore says it can beat Machamp but it's actually a passive mon"
>calcs show it can beat Machamp with no investment
>"uuuh I actually meant that his move isn't unique enough"
>I posted irrelevant calcs that don’t even remotely resemble how the pokemon actually plays and is reliant on type matchups instead of physical strength so that means the shit design is actually good!
Cope harder moron.
nta but i dont think grimmsnarl is physically stronger than machamp, i think it uses its magic hair to out-dex machamp by maybe binding it or something. machamp has a higher attack stat by 10 points, so it probably plays dirty and overwhelms machamp with its hair when it loses the proverbial arm wrestle. it winning the type matchup aids in this
>and overwhelms machamp with its hair
This line reminded me to the guy that says attention duelist in Yugioh abridge
>resemble how the Pokémon actually plays
I can my mon play like anything. I can literally only have fighting moves on Grimmyboi. it would be both valid as a strategy and lore accurate. Eat shit, honky.
>that don’t even remotely resemble how the pokemon actually plays
I selected standard, commonly used sets for both Pokemon. Huffing all this copium is damaging your brain.
>and is reliant on type matchups
The Pokedex states "this Pokémon can overwhelm even Machamp" and it's true.
10 extra points in attack don't stop Machamp from being overwhelmed by Grimmsnarl.
> I selected standard, commonly used sets for both Pokemon
Shittsnarl isn’t used to spam physical attacks. It’s used to spam status moves. Play the game.
>The Pokedex states "this Pokémon can overwhelm even Machamp"
Cool, now read the rest of the dex entry instead of just the part that helps you cope.
>Shittsnarl isn’t used to spam physical attacks
Spirit break is present in almost every single Grimmsnarl set, not only because it does good damage but also because it's great as a support move.
>now read the rest of the dex entry
"With the hair wrapped around its body helping to enhance its muscles"
This doesn't change anything. Grimmsnarl performs spirit break, the move that easily wrecks Machamp with its hair. Perfectly accurate.
The theme of Grimmsnarl is that it's a powerful goblin that's still attached to its old mischievous ways even after growing up. It's also a continuation of the line's visual theme, with Impidimp being mostly bald, Morgrem having long straight hair and Grimmsnarl being fully covered in hair.
> Spirit break is present in almost every single Grimmsnarl set
But it’s not what it’s used for.
> This doesn't change anything
Yes it does. The dex implies it’s PHYSICALLY stronger than Machamp. Not that it’s stronger than Machamp because it can use a specific move that Machamp is weak to.
>The theme of Grimmsnarl is that it's a powerful goblin that's still attached to its old mischievous ways
Which isn’t reflected in the design at all, which is why it’s a shit design.
>But it’s not what it’s used for
If people teach Grimmsnarl the move it's obviously because it's meant to fricking use it.
>The dex implies it’s PHYSICALLY stronger than Machamp
The dex says it can overwhelm Machamp, and it can. Case closed.
>Which isn’t reflected in the design at all
Sudowoodo doesn't look like it's made of rock.
>If people teach Grimmsnarl the move it's obviously because it's meant to fricking use it.
No. It just means there’s move slots leftover. Physical attacks isn’t why the Pokemon sees use.
>The dex says it can overwhelm Machamp, and it can. Case closed.
The dex says it’s physically stronger than Machamp, yet it stands there and spams support moves. The design is bad. Case closed.
>Sudowoodo doesn't look like it's made of rock.
That’s literally the point of the design. It it didn’t look like a plant the point of the design would be ruined, like Shittsnarl.
>It just means there’s move slots leftover
There isn't. If it could Grimmsnarl would use both spirit break and parting shot.
Play the game before responding to me.
>The dex says it’s physically stronger than Machamp
Calcs agree.
>yet it stands there and spams support moves
One of its support moves a fairy type attack that kills Machamp.
>That’s literally the point of the design
The point of Grimm's design is that it looks brutish but still partakes in pranks, hence the prankster and pickpocket abilities.
>There isn't
There is. 99% of the time it spams status moves and when it’s done spamming status moves it uses the best attack move it has to it can do something other than sit there uselessly on the field. Play the game before responding to me.
> Calcs agree.
Stats don’t agree.
> One of its support moves a fairy type attack that kills Machamp.
That it barely ever uses compared to just standing there spamming status moves.
>still partakes in pranks,
Nothing about the design communicates this.
>99% of the time it spams status moves
https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/grimmsnarl/
Almost every single set runs no status moves and at least one attack.
>Stats don’t agree.
Grimmsnarl's attack is sufficient to 2KO Machamp with no attack investment. Stats definitely agree.
>Nothing about the design communicates this
Nothing about Sudowoodo communicates rock.
>fanfic
don’t care
> Grimmsnarl's attack is sufficient to 2KO Machamp
130>120
> Nothing about Sudowoodo communicates rock.
Yes, because the point of the design is that it doesn’t communicate rock so it doesn’t get hit by its weaknesses. Pay attention.
>fanfic
>don’t care
There are BSS and VGC sets too. They all run spirit break.
>130>120
Winning in battle > losing
>the point of the design is that it doesn’t communicate rock so it doesn’t get hit by its weaknesses
The point of Grimm is that it looks brutish but it's still a prankster at heart. Pay attention.
Shut the frick up moron.
You lost
the game
>They all run spirit break
Because it needs to be able to attack after spamming its status moves, yes.
>Winning in battle > losing
130>120
>but it's still a prankster at heart
Which isn't reflected in the design at all which is why the design is bad.
>it's not real muscles bro it's just hair that acts literally the same as muscles
You literally see the hair turn into tentacles when it attacks
have a nice day, moron
Yeah? And?
That's not the same as muscles you buffoon, it's a unique design element
>these things that behave like muscles are not the same as muscles
Do your muscles turn into whips when you punch someone?
Bad faith argument
>It's LITERALLY exactly the same as muscles except not like muscles at all, chuddy!!!
You lost
see
>Do your muscles enhance your physical strength?
Yes.
>My muscles turn into tentacles and shoot out of my arm
Wtf post proof
He's training his hair moron
>posts fanfic link
so you admit you're wrong by referencing make believe sets and scenarios. it's time to stop posting.
The page shows the most popular VGC and BSS sets too. Are the official formats also fanfic?
>Which isn’t reflected in the design at all,
its reflected in the ability prankster
>i posted [HEADCANON]
Arrest yourself newbie
>Paco is coping this hard
Oh no no no...
My biggest problem is that he is such a giga manlet
It makes sense when you see his wife
She's a lot smaller, she just has longer hair.
Cope
She's exactly half as tall as she appears.
>Grimmsnarl is a pokegodess enjoyer
Yeah I'm thinking based.
Sexy pairing
You were saying?
>haha he has le ebin big hands hes stronger than mewtwo xD
>does nothing but stand there and spam slack off
What a failure of a design. When will Slakoth get a new evolution that's actually competently designed instead of completely ruining the theme?
>design looks like it’s lazy but is extremely powerful when it wants to be
>play style actually reflects that
>meanwhile shittsnarl just looks like an edgy goblin with no sign it likes playing pranks but its entire play style is just playing pranks
This ugly piece of shit doesn't even have muscles
What would he do if it got whole celestial bodies (Planets, asteroids and stars) lost in his hair?
Use them as marble for games.
And show-off
lol
>AAIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>756 evs
>machuds have to resort to literal hacking to beat grimm
It's over
>0 HP Grimmsnarl
Lmao sure
Hi moron
>Grimm can oneshot Machamp
No shit?
Loses more often that it wins even letting it have 762 EVs lol
Look at your calcs again anon. They show Grimm killing Machamp.
Not only that, but Grimm also outspeeds, and the extra evs you added don't contribute to the calc.
Can you not read? 43% chance to OHKO Machamp with a supereffective lol
Machamp KOs 100% of the time
>43% chance to OHKO Machamp
No in other words, "Grimmsnarl can overpower Machamp", just like what the dex says.
>Machamp KOs 100% of the time
Only in the impossible scenario where Grimm has 0 HP investment.
>Only in the impossible scenario where Grimm has 0 HP investment.
That calc shows Grimmsnarl as 252 hp 252 atk 252 defense and still getting OHKO 100% of the time
lmao
cope
>Grimmsnarl as 252 hp 252 atk 252 defense
0 HP / 4+ Def Grimmsnarl
Maybe you're just a moron
This shows Grimmsnarl killing Machamp.
yep, you're a moron
What move is being used by who in that screenshot?
Grim 7/16 chance to OHKO
Machamp 16/16 to OHKO
>Grim 7/16 chance to OHKO
So what you're saying is basically
>this Pokémon can overwhelm even Machamp.
Got it.
you seem to have ignored something coper
Dex says "this Pokémon can overwhelm even Machamp", good to know we agree on that.
Machamp being able to score a KO (in the unlikely if not impossible case where it runs full HP while using CB) doesn't change this fact.
Also this whole scenario will never happen because Machamp is not a competitive Pokemon while Grimmsnarl is.
I wonder why Machamp isn't ranked in gen 9
>grimms competitive
>UU
>grimms competitive
>fanfic meta
B rank in VGC 2023 and frequently used in official tournaments.
ayy
arrest
>I don't like design
Okay
>You d-don't understand, I REALLY don't like design I AM SO SILLY
What a great thread
The design is objectively bad. Whether or not I like it isn’t relevant.
Look at this moron.
>no you see it’s actually a good thing that the theme of its preevos is the ruined while for some reason keeping the same play style
>The guy that attacks with it's hair becoming a guy that has even more hair to attack WITH RUINED THE PREEVOS!!
Just
Shut the frick up already
rude
>That guy that uses underhanded attacks becoming a guy that uses brute physical strength RUINED THE PREEVOS!!
Correct.
Love it so much.
You're objectively moronic, so why did someone allow you to use a computer?
At least it's the only line with SOUL
I like him. fairy need male only pokemon so they can breed with the female only ones.
>spam screens
You don't have to play competitive though.
I enjoy wrecking shit with it in single player and gigantamaxing it in raids.